"You shouldn't be able to get more for less, especially when it comes to tech" You have always been able to get more for less year after year and this has been the case with tech LITERALLY forever.
Yes and no. The quality of Made in Japan electronics is still MUCH better than the newer cheaper Chinese produced stuff. I have stuff from the 80's that still works all Made in Japan. High quality components and repairable.
One thing you neglected to expand upon was how different tv technologies affect price. For example CRTs are much larger and heavier so that increases their shipping costs relative to light weight and slim flat panel displays. Reduced need for speaker quality as flat panel displays can’t house higher quality deeper speakers is another way costs have been reduced
I think it has more to do with over saturation of the market, when CRTs were being sold there was maybe 4-5 TV companies and that was it, now there’s a bunch of companies making tvs cause the technology behind them is much more simple, the demand can’t keep up with the supply so if they didn’t have them marketed as 200$-400$ for a 50 inch flat screen they would all sit in a warehouse somewhere and never get sold.
The original comparison was between a 2006 plasma and today's LCD/LED TV prices - though I'm sure the differences in weight due to the glass display surfaces of older plasmas and today's thin plastic sheets DOES affect shipping costs from China (if only just a little - it's pretty cheap to row those bad boys over here when they're in bulk).
@@Switchboy1 you mean dns over http? So what? Its your computer, you can tell your computer to use standard dns. And you can it off in your browser. Take ownership of your life and technology.
Realtalk: 90% of the reason they're cheaper is because people keep a TV for less time. A lot of people have upgraded to HD, then 4k, then OLED with a new TV each time in the last ~10 years.
I think what they are referring to is the common saying in the tech world that "over 2 years it either gets twice as affordable OR twice the power" not both at the same time. This statement doesn't reflect fact but it's vaguely true. Just take a look at the iPhone, for the longest time the top model cost $749 then they raised it to $999 a few years ago, the phones obviously got better and faster but the price especially when accounting for inflation has stayed the same. What would be weird is if an iPhone 11 Pro cost $200 today and I think that is the point of the video, in the television world BOTH innovation and affordability happened. And before you start replying that $200 phones exist.. that is the point! There are $200 phones that have the quality of a top phone a few years ago, remember "half price every 2 years"
@@TheVortexGaming Phones have gotten WAY more powerful in that time frame vs TVs. Also, my 20-year-old HD monitor works perfectly fine. My 5-year-old phone worked like ass. And really, that same HDTV he mentions from 2000 is still the same price in 4k, HDR, 120hz. That's only 4x the pixels and 2x the frame rate, for an 8x overall difference. To contrast, my Note 10+ has 30x the pixels of the first iPhone. Some 50x the CPU, 96x the RAM, 32x more storage, and 100x faster wifi. And yes, it costs twice as much.
@@brandonn6099 Now that you mention it you make a very good point, the $1200 TV they describe from 2006 is a top of the line TV with the fanciest features and largest screens that exist at that time, and they compare it to a "better" $209 TV from today, That $209 TV with a 56" 4k screen and 60hz is a pretty standard TV nowadays (Probably has shit colors too :P) , However if you compare it to another top of the line TV from today, a Samsung 8K TV with the same size screen costs $2,499 so really nothing has changed. What has changed is the price of a mid market TV (the $799 one from 2006 is now $79) however that happens in EVERY industry, The top tier product stays largely the same price while the mid marker/ cheap version gets.... cheaper. In fact the 8K TV I mentioned earlier is available in a 98 In size for.... $59,999 (was 100k) Which blows the Westinghouse color TV out of the water.
Thats exactly what you should expect and not only in tech but every other industrie aswell. New innovations and more efficient manufacturing drive costs down.
I'm a minute in, and I'm just baffled by this reasoning. Tech, the industry with Moore's law (or it used to have it anyway). Literally everything gets cheaper and better in tech. I'd actually be surprised if TVs didn't get any cheaper at all!
ya, this happens, especially with tech. I think what they might mean is that it's getting cheaper more quickly than one would expect. But even that is a bit debatable. I'd argue that, yes, it's partly data mining, but it's also that the meaningful specs for TVs have reached a point of diminishing returns. You can throw more money into a "better" TV, e.g. 8K TVs, but it's reached diminishing returns from the point of view of the customer. It's hard for most consumers to warrant an 8K purchase when many can't really tell the difference between it and 4K (and many others can hardly tell much of a difference between 4K and 1080p, for that matter). So I think we're reaching a TV specs plateau here. The actual "smart" part of a smart TV is pretty cheap; it's just a dumb computer that doesn't need to be much more powerful than the last generation of video game consoles from 10+ years ago. I mean, look at how cheap a Chromecast plugin is, and it basically turns an older TV into a fully functioning smart tv. Meanwhile, the resolution has gotten so good that, at this point, 8K vs 4K is basically a marketing ploy by the manufacturers. Prices usually drop in tech even with rapidly rising specs; but here, the specs are hitting diminishing returns real hard, and so the logical thing is that the prices plummet. This is different than, say, the PC industry, where they're still pretty far from a perception of diminishing returns as perceived by the customer. You can still notice the extra zippiness you get in a computer if you put down those extra dollars into that better processor, SSD, etc. But PCs do a lot more than a TV is designed to do. So, while PC prices have been slowly dropping even with continued rising specs, TVs have plummeted in price in just the past couple of years because, honestly, it's getting harder to tell the difference between this year's top-of-the-line TV and last year's.
Which I would think is mostly untrue. Note: I'm not say that data collection isn't happening, and that we certainly need to be careful about our privacy. (1984's Telescreens coming soon to your home) But it's most likely that the tech needed and used has become cheaper and cheaper, even his graph in the beginning of the video shows that the biggest drops were up to like 2009, back then smart TV:s didn't existed(to a significant degree). I actually think we could trust the sellers here in the video who said that it's not a significant part of their income, just gives a bit more margin (which really can get you thinking about what you give up your privacy for).
All the cheapest TVs here don't have any smart features at all, so can't be due to that, though I definitely wouldn't trust one of the smart versions of those cheap TVs (they exist just cost like $50-100 more )
It's not correct that "it's strange that especially tech gets cheaper" Tech is one of the things that have gotten cheaper for decades now, this doesn't only apply to TV's.
The whole narrative is flawed. There is fundamental cost to CRTs, both in manufacturing and storage, shipping and handling, and corresponding costs are much lower for now predominant display technologies. LCD technology was never the best, but it was always the most cost-effective, and this is why it has prevailed, just to give an example, and just about every engineering choice in mass manufacturing will come down to cost - as new technologies emerge, the most cost effective ones will have the best odds of success. At the end they even flat out tell you that manufacturers could eschew their data collection revenue but they'd have to raise the prices a little bit. Probably by as much as as $30 or so, which is still an order of magnitude lower than the price difference achieved due to changes in technology.
If tech is supposed to become cheaper, then why are we seeing smartphones that are now over $1,000? You would think an iPhone would be half the price by now. And im talking a full featured iPhone and not one of those “watered” down (5c, XR), feature stripped iphones.
@@panchitoperez5639 the underlying tech actually is remarkably cheap. Apple (and their bigger competitors) have been able to successively cultivate a niche customer who will pay exorbitant prices and drive up their profit. They stack the prices where the low end models will have a moderate profit margin and higher end models, while incurring only slightly more expense in manufacturing and R&D, will be sold for double or quadruple the price. Look for example how much they charge for storage capacity increase, and then compare differences in price of high end microSD cards and eMMC chips by capacity. In other words these high price models exist because a fool and his money are easily parted, and there are plenty of fools. They do not represent the market overall though.
@@Dinitroflurbenzol that isn't how it works. Do you think google and Amazon are that dumb that they can't recognise if you're searching bs on either platform?
@Developer Software No need for it. People submitted their own personal data all the time before then. Why sniff data when people tell your their name, address, income, job, marriage, kids..... Companies like Merkle, Experian.....etc have been collecting it for decades.
@Developer Software That means every citizen of every country has been very stupid for a long period of time then......looking at the data......OR perhaps they were lied to because they were told it was for the government, for the tax department, for the bank, for your doctor, for your citizenship......
They are also physically less expensive since it has very few parts and mass produced universal parts too. Crts have a lot of components that are very specific with each other and it costs more to make than a regular lcd screen.
This would make more sense if smart TVs were cheaper than non-smart TVs, which isn't the case. The displays and electronics driving them simply got way cheaper over time, as with basically every other form of electronics. Not to say this video is inaccurate about smart TVs monetizing your viewing habits, but it's not the driving force behind the price reductions.
Bingo, the video is largely nonsense. Extreme deflation in consumer electronics is just a fact of life. There are some interesting points in the video but their impact on price is massively overstated. You can buy a mini computer with a HDMI output with 64 bit Arm chip for peanuts!
@@k_tess you don't need gaming specs for most of these functions. It's a specialised use case, and video rendering requirements are much lower than game rendering
wikichris Largely nonsense? You still learned hopefully that tvs are making money from spying from you. This may be an oversight, but it doesnt ruin the point and it is still correct. It seems hyperbolic imo. But yeah, innovation has cheapened tvs for years now. We are only now hitting the high wave. Especially with software implementation but that is another issue entirely. Then again, I am not an economist. Just a techie.
its not actually. Facebook harvests huge amount of data and only makes 20$ per user per year. even if a smart TV could get the SAME amount of valuable data, it would only make them 160 dollars over the life of the TV (20*7). thats on the high end, in a quoted article IN THE VIDEO 7:30 , a CEO says that losing the money them make from spying on customers would only require them to raise prices "a little bit
I mean what can you do, besides living in the woods and never speaking to anyone. Your car tracks you, your internet, your phones, your tvs, and especially your money. You might think paying with cash with 100% safe, but all bills are serial coded. Just kinda a fact of life, and living in Alaska for years I can say living in the woods away from people and technology is way worse then having businesses spy on what in general you like watching.
I knew it as soon as I saw the title. It’s proven some smart TVs connect to any WiFi networks they find even that you don’t tell them to, illegally, so they will always upload your data back to the advertiser, China, or wherever it might go. Microphones are not uncommon and hidden cameras are not rare.
How much did most people pay for Windows 10 upgrade? Or most Android apps and games? Or any Google services? I think they already are passing the savings from selling your info. Is it worth it? That's for you to decide.
My mom used to tell me, that way back in the 50s her grandma was sure that the people on TV could see them watching the program... She would laugh at her grandma for being paranoid... Well now it's true
Text messages cost the carrier almost nothing and talk is not much more expensive than text. You cannot talk or text enough to cost the carrier more than it cost them to send your bill.
True, true. I was all about Intel for years. But I went with a Ryzen on my last build after comparing and contrasting several different processors. AMD was offering equal or better specs for $2-300 less.
With AMD you get what you pay for, cheap chips that overheat easily. You can't just look at the specs you have to look at the hardware performance. Saving a little money now on AMD might cost you a repair or replacement down the line. Edit: As said in the rant below, AMD has finally made some good chips. But that's nothing to be proud of. AMD's legacy is one of failure, as there are years worth of crappy chips still on the market. Buyer beware.
MostlyPonies lmfao you are ignorant. Do you even keep up with technology? Do you even know about Ryzen processors? Are you aware there are three year warranties on them? They are no less reliable than intel chips. I could go on and on. This is why it is bad to be a fanboy and not do your research. I guarantee you have no information to back the biased claim up with.
MostlyPonies also to add onto my point, AMD is currently on a 7 nm fab process while intel is on 14 nm. Intel chips are actually the hotter and less efficient chips compared to AMDs products. AMD also produces the fastest consumer desktop chip you can currently buy - the Threadripper 3990X with 64 cores. Intel can’t come close to offering anything like it. AMD also has a $199 (sometimes cheaper) processor with 6 cores and 12 threads that outperforms an i7-8700k for much less money, energy consumption and heat output. You clearly haven’t kept up with what’s going on. Intel has even admitted they are struggling right now to keep up with AMD. This isn’t the first time that’s happened. AMD just had a huge slump during the Bulldozer / Steamroller architecture days. I’ll even admit their processors sucked ass back then. Anyways I’ll stop lol. Doubt you care anyways.
We had a TV like that in our kitchen. We used it to play video games, but starting with nintendo64 we needed an adaptor since it didn't have the proper outlets. We didn't get rid of it until the early 2000s.
It also helps that the main boards these TVs are based on are almost ubiquitous these days, and cost virtually nothing in bulk. TVs are basically running smart phone components (usually fairly low-end ones built into the TV). All they have to do is connect those boards to a big display panel, and crap set of speakers, and you've got a TV. The reason your smart TV is spying on you is also because your TV is basically equipped with the same spying functionality as your smart phone.
It's kinda funny how dumb ad servers still are. It's always either products I have no interest in, or have already bought and will only ever need one of.
Indeed, eBay can't seem to understand that I have no need for 20 welders, 50 angle grinders and thousands of 3D printers. "Hey eBay, how about you show me the consumables that go WITH the stuff I bought instead...?"
I remember when I was 12 I finally got my own TV in my bedroom. It was a 17" RCA that weighed 50lbs, and I was so happy I could finally play my SNES whenever I wanted to!
6:36 Just to clarify, your IP address can narrow your physical locations down to a few city blocks normally. IT is possible to translate an IP address to a physical location but its VERY hard to do. It often involves going to the city blocks identified by the IP and War Driving (Driving around getting into wifi connections in the area and checking the IP) There are a few other ways to translate an IP to a physical location but they are about the same amount of work. Unless someone is sending a subpoena to your internet provider to find the location of an IP, then i wouldn't worry too much about them getting your physical locations via your IP (They would also have to work for the TV provider to even get your IP) Source: Im a certified Network Engineer.
Exactly. The video is most bullshit. It’s interesting to hear about the new revenue streams but it doesn’t explain extreme deflation in the consumer electronics section.
@@deldia Look at the price history of flash drives. The tech industry, outside of the corporate oligopoly of Google, Facebook, and Apple, is actually pretty consumer friendly. To put this into perspective, programmers and other tech enthusiasts highly advocate for open-source work, where you can still profit, but alterations can be made to your work. Right to repair, where you have a right to repair your devices. THE ENTIRE DIY FIELD. Hell my professor straight up WOULDN'T assign a book he couldn't find an free PDF of online. This is capitalism that encourages the consumer to be a part of the creation of the future. I wish I could capture it in a bottle. Where as Consumerism sees the consumer as the product. And Corporatism sees the blurring of lines between companies and government.
@@k_tess The tech & electronics industry isn't consumer friendly for the fun of it, it's simply a highly contested market with multiple big players competing against each other.
Maddie when you convertthe US dollar to Australian dollar. It is about 1.4 times the dollar amount. But still a very similar price, also tvs have gotten far cheaper in Australia too. It is just a different currency that looks more expensive on paper
Mixed Bag Clips not really Apples targeted market. They make good monitors because they make computers but TVs don’t really make sense. Although you do have to give Apple some credit, in the last year or so they have been making the cheapest monitors in their targeted specification bracket.
george washington we are taking about monitors here. Last time I checked Alienware and MSI don’t make monitors and if they do they aren’t that popular. Apple makes the only monitor under $10k in its spec bracket. Including the stand it’s $44k cheaper than its competitors. We’re talk about big boy toys here.
Remember when we read George Orwell and thought it was fiction that we would have "telescreens" that watched us 24/7? ... This is ungood thoughts, I need a swig of Victory Gin..
You forgot to properly name it - It should have been : double plus ungood AND I will join you at the canteen and jam down my throat two shots of that rancid outer party member Big Brother Victory Gin....to your health and don't commit Double plus thought crime thinking in the old ways lest you be visited by the Thought Police of Minitruth and be sent to Room 101.
I remember reading an article 6 or 7 years ago that there was a new manufacturing process for the panels that could theoretically lower the cost of TVs by a factor of 10. Back then, a 55" set was around $600. I'd say they were fairly accurate. I don't believe the nefarious data mining reason is a huge part of that.
It ain't that simple when they can combine that approximate location data with other data that can then pinpoint you exactly. No data is truly both useful and anonymous: if it's useful, it can likely be de-anonymised by combining with another dataset.
That location is still enough to infer a lot of information about you: political orientation, favorite sports team, stores you're likely to shop at, and more. Don't think for a second that these companies aren't highly skilled at extracting every bit of useful information from limited data sets.
Robert Belcher lol i meant that the cheddar video was in to me. while they were talking about locating you they put a dot on a map that’s super close to me so it’s just a coincidence for people that live in chicago. i know that theyre taking all this data and making a profit off of it
You gotta put a smilie or something. There are so many stupid people that it isn't surprising to see someone to write what you did in complete seriousness!
As TVs became "smarter: they became more of a pain in the butt to deal with. It has become so bad that I don't even turn mine on as it is too much of a hassle. I've had it unplugged for years now.
Your screen name is LITERALLY How I describe the way one of my Cats look. I shit you not! I wish I could attach a photo. I don't use the "Smart" part of my TV as it's no longer supported for some reason. It's old I guess. I have it attached to my laptop & watch everything online. No Cable Bill in over 10 years, & I can watch anything you can watch on paid cable relatively free, aside from the Internet cost.
This got creepy. I'm still using my trusted old full hd 32" tv from 2008, which cost 500€ back in the day. If it ever breaks, I'm not connecting my next TV to the internet
They can still monitor your viewing habits, even if your just watching OTA TV just by driving past your house. IF the TV is turned on it emits RF energy through your antenna which can be sampled to see which channel you are tuned to!
@@TheOzthewiz Oh well, there's not much worth watching in the TV where I'm from anyways. So I prefer books actually. So far there's no way for the almighty Google(&NSA) to know which books. I think, haha. But I get your point, privacy has been eroded a lot and not many seem to care
@@kodaph LED is the back lighting technology, the LCD is the panel that makes the picture you see. Its just marketing hype now to say "LED" only. They used to say LED LCD, then they just dropped the LCD, maybe because it sounded like an older TV from mid 2000s?
Look at Amazon. Echo Dot 2019 Christmas season was $25. $25. Compare that small form factor, improved voice recognition, incredible sound quality for the size if compared to say even 5 years ago. I bet some Amazon products LOSE Amazon money. But their products now give them an advantage based on the information gathered. The deal i am alluding to was for prime members only (hence they know you are already subscribe to their service). Now once you own the product they begin to learn everything about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah I know I sound paranoid, but I personally own multiple Amazon products. They add a lot of value to my life by connecting to my smart home. All these companies just want a “foot in your door” & an eye & and ear loool
1 out of thousands have an IQ high enough to see certain patterns and things. The sweet life it must be to be 'normal'. Then there's us, pointing and screaming about the asteroid coming.
Hah! Tracking!!! now I can say I have a reason I've never used my smart TV features. Always have used it as just a plain ol display connected to computer or disk player.
Just like they say. If something is free it's never truly free now days because YOU are the product. You are and will forever be the most valuable item in your life.
Planned obsolescence must be a major factor, too. When the apps on your smart TV stop working after a couple of years, or there's a new 'essential' streaming service that your TV doesn't support (eg. Disney+), of course you're going to upgrade to a new shiny model.
@@TheOzthewiz eh, cars have a lot more machining and materials. You are not just paying for materials and labor though, you are also paying for research and development as well as any other gimmicks they can stuff into the car. You could probably buy a new cadillac for 10 grand if it had the same feature set as a 40 year old model, but you will miss things like airbags, crash testing, electronics past the radio, fuel efficiency and the like. it would also drive like a boat lol.
This is why I exchanged my 2011 “early smart tv” for an 08 Sony Bravia. It’s perfect for old and new consoles and dvd movies look great even over composite.
found that out my self with pi hole in my home, every evening my smart tv was sending about 5k request every evening to different channel distributors and ads services
Still remember hearing a late 80s(I think) Bang & Olufsen tv at my relative's place in the 2000s. By far the best sound I ever heard coming out of a TV set.
I don't know why they no longer call it a "Speaker" like they have since the things were invented. Also, weak sound from a TV is nothing new. Some had good speakers but mostly it just sounded like crap.
The problem with almost all "smart" products is they act really dumb once the internet connection is lost. I'm glad I have a few movies and series on my laptop and PC in case I loose that connection for a while.
+Hans -- Plus, some TV makers don't particularly keep up with the software updates that their "app world" needs. I know my Samsung smart TV was _always_ behind. Now I just use Amazon Fire Sticks on all my TVs. 👍
Something interesting I just realize, on my PlayStation I’ve been watching the whole Dragon Ball Z series and when ever I’d be on TH-cam I would get recommended clips from episodes that I was watching the last night, and the two aren’t connected in anyway shape or form except WiFi 🤔
Google and Facebook use your internet IP to target advertising, among many other things. If others visit your house and use your internet to search for X on google, you will see ads on your computer shortly.
Thats why, though we have a 4k smart TV, it is only rarely connected via Ethernet for Updates, and the rest of the time its just a big monitor for other devices to output to.
I've had my Vizio 32 inch for ten years now. I only just thought about it while watching this video. Damn, not bad for the 200 bucks I spent on it in 2010. It's my bedroom tv and has been fine for me still doing it's job and no serious complaints. The on tv buttons don't seem to work when I press them but the remote negates that I guess.
You forgot to mention how much lighter by weight the LED and LCD TV are. Less Weight means less shipping costs. The old CRT TV's were heavy as hell. a 32" CRT TV weighed 70 or more pounds. A new 32" Flat screen weighs less the 20 lbs and uses less space. I have owned both a 32" CRT TV and I now have a 32" LED TV. I can easily carry the LED TV in one arm, the CRT 32" is heavy and bulky as hell.
Also I advoid the data mining as much as possible. I have a guest wifi network that only my IOT devices connect to, this subnet is prohibbited from accessing my internal network. And I just turn off the guest wifi when I'm done with the TV.
Not really, people make a big deal out of it, but companies just want to offer you stuff you are most likely to buy so they are happy and you are happy, is really a win win situation
The suggestion that to maintain privacy requires cutting the Internet connection should have also said, or by using a VPN. A Virtual Private Network precludes interception and traffic-analysis.
It only takes 7 to 10 pieces of "anonymous" data to pinpoint you specifically. Remember that when some company wants to collect "anonymous" information about you.
No one needs a TV screen if they have a smart phone or a computer, which everyone does since you need that to get a job or make a living. TV screens are just not something people need anymore. Supply and demand is pretty obvious.
Used to be a lot of the cost of television sets was in the shipping. The units were heavier and needed more space to ship. Now they're thin and light, doesn't take a lot to ship them.
In the 70s we had a TV from Radio Rentals. It had coin box attached to the back. You had to put coins into it to watch the telly. There were only three stations ( black and white of course) and programmes usually stopped at around midnight. When times were hard we turn the TV upside down on a table and with the aid of a bread knife try to retrieve some of the money for cigarettes.
I'm glad you raised this important issue to the public's attention. I'm sad that you didn't include the biggest alternative revenue stream. Hint: where are most TVs manufactured? I'll let you figure it out.
Why? what are you worried about? you have something illegal? if you don't then there's nothing to worry about, targeted ads are just ads about stuff you are more likely to like
@@julianxamo7835 I do not want those company's to know what i am watching and making money from me. They already know way to much, i like my privacy. Has nothing to do with illegal or not.
2 things. 1st that Sylvester was no larger than “27 most likely a “19. 2nd they eliminated an entire industry, television repair. They make more money having you purchase a new one every 3 years now instead of keeping yours for 10+
They also need to mention that TV manufacturers profits have gone down dramatically. Many even have lost money on their TV business or have dropped out of the market altogether
Disingenuous. I take the point but electronics have always been susceptible to extreme deflation. It’s ridiculous and disingenuous to imply otherwise. There’s no way that data is worth $100s per device. The truth is the the type of microprocessors normally found in mobile phones are insanely cheap. I can prove it: how much is a raspberry pi computer? Peanuts.
It’s not really disingenuous, they said at the start about how electronics become cheaper over time. They even include a quote saying they have a “blended revenue” so they acknowledge that data isn’t their only way of making money. Plus, it’s not just for one bit of data. They are collecting info on you for 6-7 years, which makes this much more valuable
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"You shouldn't be able to get more for less, especially when it comes to tech"
You have always been able to get more for less year after year and this has been the case with tech LITERALLY forever.
@@ahmadamin8348 Would you mind expounding on agapists and ebonists?
@@ahmadamin8348 Would you mind discussing agapists and ebonists?
Welcome to the free enterprise system. Demand goes up. production goes up. Competition goes up - the cost goes down
Yes and no. The quality of Made in Japan electronics is still MUCH better than the newer cheaper Chinese produced stuff. I have stuff from the 80's that still works all Made in Japan. High quality components and repairable.
That's not what the point was of that statement. You missed the point. Or weren't paying attention.
One thing you neglected to expand upon was how different tv technologies affect price. For example CRTs are much larger and heavier so that increases their shipping costs relative to light weight and slim flat panel displays. Reduced need for speaker quality as flat panel displays can’t house higher quality deeper speakers is another way costs have been reduced
Forcing you to spend more money with them for a matching soundbar BTW.
I think it has more to do with over saturation of the market, when CRTs were being sold there was maybe 4-5 TV companies and that was it, now there’s a bunch of companies making tvs cause the technology behind them is much more simple, the demand can’t keep up with the supply so if they didn’t have them marketed as 200$-400$ for a 50 inch flat screen they would all sit in a warehouse somewhere and never get sold.
Yeah about the speakers: Samsung, Sony, LG, etc all sell speakers, soundbars etc.
@@thomaslashbrooke482 Ah yes, the bug picture.
The original comparison was between a 2006 plasma and today's LCD/LED TV prices - though I'm sure the differences in weight due to the glass display surfaces of older plasmas and today's thin plastic sheets DOES affect shipping costs from China (if only just a little - it's pretty cheap to row those bad boys over here when they're in bulk).
TVs in the 2000s look so ancient now...
Phones in the 2000s look so ancient now
Grandmas in the 2000s look so ancient now
year 2050 is as far away as is year 1990 now
gv That is true.
Eddie Murphy still looks the same.
I still have one. I think it still works, I should check. Also if there is still cable tv, that thing that comes with the internet contract.
In 10 years we'll be talking about the good old days when our fridge, toilet and TV didn't have ads pop up every time you used it.
pihole. and a tad bit of intellegence can get past 99% of that.
Not since big ad companies pushed to make end over https a thing. :(
@@Switchboy1 you mean dns over http? So what? Its your computer, you can tell your computer to use standard dns. And you can it off in your browser. Take ownership of your life and technology.
Damn you never seen a commercial before🤣🤣
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"You shouldn't be able to get more for less. Especially when it comes to tech." Maybe the dumbest tech comment in the history of tech.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice this
Realtalk: 90% of the reason they're cheaper is because people keep a TV for less time. A lot of people have upgraded to HD, then 4k, then OLED with a new TV each time in the last ~10 years.
I think what they are referring to is the common saying in the tech world that "over 2 years it either gets twice as affordable OR twice the power" not both at the same time. This statement doesn't reflect fact but it's vaguely true. Just take a look at the iPhone, for the longest time the top model cost $749 then they raised it to $999 a few years ago, the phones obviously got better and faster but the price especially when accounting for inflation has stayed the same. What would be weird is if an iPhone 11 Pro cost $200 today and I think that is the point of the video, in the television world BOTH innovation and affordability happened.
And before you start replying that $200 phones exist.. that is the point! There are $200 phones that have the quality of a top phone a few years ago, remember "half price every 2 years"
@@TheVortexGaming Phones have gotten WAY more powerful in that time frame vs TVs. Also, my 20-year-old HD monitor works perfectly fine. My 5-year-old phone worked like ass.
And really, that same HDTV he mentions from 2000 is still the same price in 4k, HDR, 120hz.
That's only 4x the pixels and 2x the frame rate, for an 8x overall difference.
To contrast, my Note 10+ has 30x the pixels of the first iPhone. Some 50x the CPU, 96x the RAM, 32x more storage, and 100x faster wifi. And yes, it costs twice as much.
@@brandonn6099 Now that you mention it you make a very good point, the $1200 TV they describe from 2006 is a top of the line TV with the fanciest features and largest screens that exist at that time, and they compare it to a "better" $209 TV from today, That $209 TV with a 56" 4k screen and 60hz is a pretty standard TV nowadays (Probably has shit colors too :P) , However if you compare it to another top of the line TV from today, a Samsung 8K TV with the same size screen costs $2,499 so really nothing has changed. What has changed is the price of a mid market TV (the $799 one from 2006 is now $79) however that happens in EVERY industry, The top tier product stays largely the same price while the mid marker/ cheap version gets.... cheaper. In fact the 8K TV I mentioned earlier is available in a 98 In size for.... $59,999 (was 100k) Which blows the Westinghouse color TV out of the water.
"You shouldn't be able to get more for less"
Computers and Laptops have gotten far far cheaper and much much better.
Thats exactly what you should expect and not only in tech but every other industrie aswell. New innovations and more efficient manufacturing drive costs down.
I'm a minute in, and I'm just baffled by this reasoning. Tech, the industry with Moore's law (or it used to have it anyway). Literally everything gets cheaper and better in tech. I'd actually be surprised if TVs didn't get any cheaper at all!
I think the video was trying to make a case that it got cheaper too fast. It's supposed to get cheaper, but should have probably taken longer
ya, this happens, especially with tech. I think what they might mean is that it's getting cheaper more quickly than one would expect. But even that is a bit debatable. I'd argue that, yes, it's partly data mining, but it's also that the meaningful specs for TVs have reached a point of diminishing returns. You can throw more money into a "better" TV, e.g. 8K TVs, but it's reached diminishing returns from the point of view of the customer. It's hard for most consumers to warrant an 8K purchase when many can't really tell the difference between it and 4K (and many others can hardly tell much of a difference between 4K and 1080p, for that matter). So I think we're reaching a TV specs plateau here. The actual "smart" part of a smart TV is pretty cheap; it's just a dumb computer that doesn't need to be much more powerful than the last generation of video game consoles from 10+ years ago. I mean, look at how cheap a Chromecast plugin is, and it basically turns an older TV into a fully functioning smart tv. Meanwhile, the resolution has gotten so good that, at this point, 8K vs 4K is basically a marketing ploy by the manufacturers. Prices usually drop in tech even with rapidly rising specs; but here, the specs are hitting diminishing returns real hard, and so the logical thing is that the prices plummet.
This is different than, say, the PC industry, where they're still pretty far from a perception of diminishing returns as perceived by the customer. You can still notice the extra zippiness you get in a computer if you put down those extra dollars into that better processor, SSD, etc. But PCs do a lot more than a TV is designed to do. So, while PC prices have been slowly dropping even with continued rising specs, TVs have plummeted in price in just the past couple of years because, honestly, it's getting harder to tell the difference between this year's top-of-the-line TV and last year's.
Also phones, monitors, memory, basically anything in tech but college
TLDR: Data collection.
Selling YOUR NAME makes for a very nice "bottom" line!
Which I would think is mostly untrue. Note: I'm not say that data collection isn't happening, and that we certainly need to be careful about our privacy. (1984's Telescreens coming soon to your home)
But it's most likely that the tech needed and used has become cheaper and cheaper, even his graph in the beginning of the video shows that the biggest drops were up to like 2009, back then smart TV:s didn't existed(to a significant degree). I actually think we could trust the sellers here in the video who said that it's not a significant part of their income, just gives a bit more margin (which really can get you thinking about what you give up your privacy for).
All the cheapest TVs here don't have any smart features at all, so can't be due to that, though I definitely wouldn't trust one of the smart versions of those cheap TVs (they exist just cost like $50-100 more )
Whoa, you read the video? That's amazing!
Thank you
It's not correct that "it's strange that especially tech gets cheaper"
Tech is one of the things that have gotten cheaper for decades now, this doesn't only apply to TV's.
!!!
The whole narrative is flawed. There is fundamental cost to CRTs, both in manufacturing and storage, shipping and handling, and corresponding costs are much lower for now predominant display technologies. LCD technology was never the best, but it was always the most cost-effective, and this is why it has prevailed, just to give an example, and just about every engineering choice in mass manufacturing will come down to cost - as new technologies emerge, the most cost effective ones will have the best odds of success.
At the end they even flat out tell you that manufacturers could eschew their data collection revenue but they'd have to raise the prices a little bit. Probably by as much as as $30 or so, which is still an order of magnitude lower than the price difference achieved due to changes in technology.
Seriously, phones that were considered flagships 5-6 years ago, are now being sold as budget phones.
If tech is supposed to become cheaper, then why are we seeing smartphones that are now over $1,000? You would think an iPhone would be half the price by now. And im talking a full featured iPhone and not one of those “watered” down (5c, XR), feature stripped iphones.
@@panchitoperez5639 the underlying tech actually is remarkably cheap. Apple (and their bigger competitors) have been able to successively cultivate a niche customer who will pay exorbitant prices and drive up their profit. They stack the prices where the low end models will have a moderate profit margin and higher end models, while incurring only slightly more expense in manufacturing and R&D, will be sold for double or quadruple the price. Look for example how much they charge for storage capacity increase, and then compare differences in price of high end microSD cards and eMMC chips by capacity.
In other words these high price models exist because a fool and his money are easily parted, and there are plenty of fools. They do not represent the market overall though.
In Soviet Russia, you watch TV
In USA, TV watch you
USA guy: ''...watching cable...''
NL guy: tf that stopped existing when I was one
@@hifiteen49 wanna bet?
In Soviet Russia, exploding Soviet TVs killed several dozen patriotic comrades every year. No shit.
@@relentlessmadman bet about what?
News flash: this just in, there hasn't been a Soviet Union in nearly 3 decades.
"Data is the new currency"
That sounds scary.
I'll pay you 100mb of data to stay quiet.
Quite the opposite. You can generate your own money, by selling scrap and fake data.
@@Dinitroflurbenzol Except that's not how it works.
@@Dinitroflurbenzol that isn't how it works. Do you think google and Amazon are that dumb that they can't recognise if you're searching bs on either platform?
@@Dinitroflurbenzol actually you're currently using Google so google knows your intentions.
Data always was a currency. People just didn’t realized that until modern days. 🤷🏻♂️
That's not entirely true. "Knowledge is power" has been an expression for a long time, it's just that not many people took it literally.
@Developer Software No need for it. People submitted their own personal data all the time before then. Why sniff data when people tell your their name, address, income, job, marriage, kids..... Companies like Merkle, Experian.....etc have been collecting it for decades.
SpecTRe X Totally agree with you. Data I mean is for CONSUMER MARKETING. Not wars and so on and so forth. But you are absolutely right. 🙏🏻
@Developer Software That means every citizen of every country has been very stupid for a long period of time then......looking at the data......OR perhaps they were lied to because they were told it was for the government, for the tax department, for the bank, for your doctor, for your citizenship......
@Developer Software data. How its collected isnt worth much. But lying on tax forms typically gets you arrested.
They are also physically less expensive since it has very few parts and mass produced universal parts too. Crts have a lot of components that are very specific with each other and it costs more to make than a regular lcd screen.
This would make more sense if smart TVs were cheaper than non-smart TVs, which isn't the case. The displays and electronics driving them simply got way cheaper over time, as with basically every other form of electronics. Not to say this video is inaccurate about smart TVs monetizing your viewing habits, but it's not the driving force behind the price reductions.
Bingo, the video is largely nonsense. Extreme deflation in consumer electronics is just a fact of life. There are some interesting points in the video but their impact on price is massively overstated. You can buy a mini computer with a HDMI output with 64 bit Arm chip for peanuts!
@@deldia Raspberry Pi 4 has "gaming specs" if you compare it to computer from the early 2000's.
The mid-range model costs $45 dollars.
@@k_tess you don't need gaming specs for most of these functions. It's a specialised use case, and video rendering requirements are much lower than game rendering
@kuro neko Thank you. I'm happy somebody got it.
wikichris Largely nonsense? You still learned hopefully that tvs are making money from spying from you. This may be an oversight, but it doesnt ruin the point and it is still correct.
It seems hyperbolic imo.
But yeah, innovation has cheapened tvs for years now. We are only now hitting the high wave.
Especially with software implementation but that is another issue entirely.
Then again, I am not an economist. Just a techie.
"Your data is worth more than oil. When was the last time you got a data check in the mail?" - Andrew Yang
How'd you measure an amount of oil against an amount of data 🤔
Lol definitely the most underrated comment
Gideon Kloosterman in millilitres 😳
@@yuvs0 Can I get five millilitres of data
Well if it's making stuff like TVs cheaper then we are getting some value out of it but instead of a check it comes in the form of shifting cost
"There's a basic principle about consumer electronics: it gets more powerful all the time and it gets cheaper all the time."
-Trip Hawkins
Spyware?
Edit - I was right!
if you go to my channel i can tell you using tv..... it don't matter much... just make sure you don't get tv with camara...
its not actually. Facebook harvests huge amount of data and only makes 20$ per user per year. even if a smart TV could get the SAME amount of valuable data, it would only make them 160 dollars over the life of the TV (20*7).
thats on the high end, in a quoted article IN THE VIDEO 7:30 , a CEO says that losing the money them make from spying on customers would only require them to raise prices "a little bit
congrats?
I mean what can you do, besides living in the woods and never speaking to anyone. Your car tracks you, your internet, your phones, your tvs, and especially your money. You might think paying with cash with 100% safe, but all bills are serial coded.
Just kinda a fact of life, and living in Alaska for years I can say living in the woods away from people and technology is way worse then having businesses spy on what in general you like watching.
I knew it as soon as I saw the title.
It’s proven some smart TVs connect to any WiFi networks they find even that you don’t tell them to, illegally, so they will always upload your data back to the advertiser, China, or wherever it might go. Microphones are not uncommon and hidden cameras are not rare.
TV companies aren't just tracking us without passing on savings... now if only the rest of the industry would do the same...
*Or* they could just.... not.
I'd rather save that $1000. Worth it to me.
How much did most people pay for Windows 10 upgrade? Or most Android apps and games? Or any Google services? I think they already are passing the savings from selling your info. Is it worth it? That's for you to decide.
@@Lumilan Just don't connect your TV to the internet? You'd really rather not save 1k? Lol
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e no I WANT that $1000 in savings. If it means targeted ads so be it.
Futurama predicted that ads will be in our dreams while we sleep in the future.
They already are. Or, do I listen to way too much radio? :-)
@St0rm Ranger , uh, no we don't.
I'm glad don't dream.
1. I don't Dream. 2. They be getting that cashh
It will be done when people have to buy sleep cheaply.✌😁
My mom used to tell me, that way back in the 50s her grandma was sure that the people on TV could see them watching the program... She would laugh at her grandma for being paranoid... Well now it's true
"Why TVs Have Become So Inexpensive"
8K TVs: Am I a joke to you?
16K TV: Hold my beer!
Those are both newer technologies tho
@@Physeter like color TV were back then
noname exactly :)
Stop
Remember comedian Yakov Smirnoff's line, "In Russia, TV watches YOU"? It came true, worldwide!
We were 4 parallel universes ahead of you!
Your age is showing LOL
Capitalism is a garbage system
Remember the George Orwell's Telescreens.
@@thomaswhite3059 yet you have a device, with communism, you'd never be able to have that.
“Data is the new currency” & that’s why we have Free Talk & Text minutes.
Also trash talk
That's also because people don't use it very much, and it's cheaper to send them
Text messages cost the carrier almost nothing and talk is not much more expensive than text.
You cannot talk or text enough to cost the carrier more than it cost them to send your bill.
Data is the new “gold”
"You shouldn't be able to get more for less, especially when it comes to tech."
>AMD has entered the chat.
True, true. I was all about Intel for years. But I went with a Ryzen on my last build after comparing and contrasting several different processors. AMD was offering equal or better specs for $2-300 less.
With AMD you get what you pay for, cheap chips that overheat easily. You can't just look at the specs you have to look at the hardware performance. Saving a little money now on AMD might cost you a repair or replacement down the line.
Edit: As said in the rant below, AMD has finally made some good chips. But that's nothing to be proud of. AMD's legacy is one of failure, as there are years worth of crappy chips still on the market. Buyer beware.
MostlyPonies lmfao you are ignorant. Do you even keep up with technology? Do you even know about Ryzen processors? Are you aware there are three year warranties on them? They are no less reliable than intel chips. I could go on and on. This is why it is bad to be a fanboy and not do your research. I guarantee you have no information to back the biased claim up with.
MostlyPonies also to add onto my point, AMD is currently on a 7 nm fab process while intel is on 14 nm. Intel chips are actually the hotter and less efficient chips compared to AMDs products. AMD also produces the fastest consumer desktop chip you can currently buy - the Threadripper 3990X with 64 cores. Intel can’t come close to offering anything like it. AMD also has a $199 (sometimes cheaper) processor with 6 cores and 12 threads that outperforms an i7-8700k for much less money, energy consumption and heat output. You clearly haven’t kept up with what’s going on. Intel has even admitted they are struggling right now to keep up with AMD. This isn’t the first time that’s happened. AMD just had a huge slump during the Bulldozer / Steamroller architecture days. I’ll even admit their processors sucked ass back then. Anyways I’ll stop lol. Doubt you care anyways.
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I remember TVs from my grandma's house. No remote, pretty small, dials... haha. No color either. They used that until 1998.
We had a TV like that in our kitchen. We used it to play video games, but starting with nintendo64 we needed an adaptor since it didn't have the proper outlets. We didn't get rid of it until the early 2000s.
It also helps that the main boards these TVs are based on are almost ubiquitous these days, and cost virtually nothing in bulk. TVs are basically running smart phone components (usually fairly low-end ones built into the TV). All they have to do is connect those boards to a big display panel, and crap set of speakers, and you've got a TV. The reason your smart TV is spying on you is also because your TV is basically equipped with the same spying functionality as your smart phone.
A TV watching you?
Once again, the year is 1984.
Its 2020 dum dum
@@Meminjo i have no words. just read like the 1st chapter of 1984 and you'll get the reference
@@NateROCKS112 bro how can you read the first chapter of a year its not a book idiot smh they really let anyone use the internet these days
@@Meminjo Dude, look it up. 1984, a book by George Orwell
@@adistyfariza8013 IT was written by Sthephen King in 1986, not George Orwell, whoever he is.
They want to make sure we all can afford to stare at the hypnotic wheel.
All crap got cheap. The AVERAGE American car now costs 39000$.
In 4K!!
All Hail Hypnotoad! @o@
Palestine is beautiful.
@@wolfgangk2824
Almost nobody in America buys cars. They all buy trucks now.
It's kinda funny how dumb ad servers still are. It's always either products I have no interest in, or have already bought and will only ever need one of.
Me: I need to buy plane tickets to NYC next month. Ok found it, and done.
Ads - hey cheap flights to Florida next month?
Me: ??
Indeed, eBay can't seem to understand that I have no need for 20 welders, 50 angle grinders and thousands of 3D printers. "Hey eBay, how about you show me the consumables that go WITH the stuff I bought instead...?"
Agreed.
Like come on TH-cam. I know those free gift card things are scams nor are interested in hors
I sometimes watch engineering channels, that's why I get ads of huge industrial equipment I'll never buy
I remember when I was 12 I finally got my own TV in my bedroom. It was a 17" RCA that weighed 50lbs, and I was so happy I could finally play my SNES whenever I wanted to!
6:36 Just to clarify, your IP address can narrow your physical locations down to a few city blocks normally. IT is possible to translate an IP address to a physical location but its VERY hard to do. It often involves going to the city blocks identified by the IP and War Driving (Driving around getting into wifi connections in the area and checking the IP) There are a few other ways to translate an IP to a physical location but they are about the same amount of work. Unless someone is sending a subpoena to your internet provider to find the location of an IP, then i wouldn't worry too much about them getting your physical locations via your IP (They would also have to work for the TV provider to even get your IP)
Source: Im a certified Network Engineer.
1:04 huh? I thought this was exactly the norm for tech, prices for technology drop precipitously once something is made en masse...
That's literally how it works
Exactly. The video is most bullshit. It’s interesting to hear about the new revenue streams but it doesn’t explain extreme deflation in the consumer electronics section.
@@deldia Look at the price history of flash drives. The tech industry, outside of the corporate oligopoly of Google, Facebook, and Apple, is actually pretty consumer friendly.
To put this into perspective, programmers and other tech enthusiasts highly advocate for open-source work, where you can still profit, but alterations can be made to your work. Right to repair, where you have a right to repair your devices. THE ENTIRE DIY FIELD.
Hell my professor straight up WOULDN'T assign a book he couldn't find an free PDF of online.
This is capitalism that encourages the consumer to be a part of the creation of the future. I wish I could capture it in a bottle.
Where as Consumerism sees the consumer as the product. And Corporatism sees the blurring of lines between companies and government.
@@k_tess The tech & electronics industry isn't consumer friendly for the fun of it, it's simply a highly contested market with multiple big players competing against each other.
@@0._.0 So Capitalism as originally intended
Also I never said it was "for the fun of it".
Doesn’t explain why I can get a 50 inch dumb TV for $150.
7:21
Liquidating outdated models
Then why is it so cheap in the US but so, so damn expensive still in Aus?
@@Respectable_Username I Imagine shipping plays a huge factor.
Maddie when you convertthe US dollar to Australian dollar. It is about 1.4 times the dollar amount. But still a very similar price, also tvs have gotten far cheaper in Australia too. It is just a different currency that looks more expensive on paper
“TVs are getting cheaper”
Wait until Apple enters the race LOL 😂
Mixed Bag Clips not really Apples targeted market. They make good monitors because they make computers but TVs don’t really make sense. Although you do have to give Apple some credit, in the last year or so they have been making the cheapest monitors in their targeted specification bracket.
...but not for the stand
@@ninja1inblack105 macs are shit lol alienware and MSI are the way to go
Nvidia and intel for processors and motherboards etc
george washington we are taking about monitors here. Last time I checked Alienware and MSI don’t make monitors and if they do they aren’t that popular. Apple makes the only monitor under $10k in its spec bracket. Including the stand it’s $44k cheaper than its competitors. We’re talk about big boy toys here.
2 reasons why I will continue exclusively using my PC, laptop, or phone for TH-cam
AdBlock and SponsorBlock
Set up PiHole on a Raspberry Pi or a linux box, it blocks all the ads on the smart TV. Setup is less than 10 minutes, no configuration required.
@@levrevesz yeah but I use phone tethering as my primary internet connection (because it's 10X faster than fixed internet)
You should add a VPN and Privacy badger for blocking trackers as well.
@@finnk1289 VPNs slow down my 500mbps internet to about 10-15mbps
No script does the rest
Remember when we read George Orwell and thought it was fiction that we would have "telescreens" that watched us 24/7?
... This is ungood thoughts, I need a swig of Victory Gin..
You forgot to properly name it - It should have been : double plus ungood AND I will join you at the canteen and jam down my throat two shots of that rancid outer party member Big Brother Victory Gin....to your health and don't commit Double plus thought crime thinking in the old ways lest you be visited by the Thought Police of Minitruth and be sent to Room 101.
Then there's the two hours of hate
I remember reading an article 6 or 7 years ago that there was a new manufacturing process for the panels that could theoretically lower the cost of TVs by a factor of 10. Back then, a 55" set was around $600. I'd say they were fairly accurate. I don't believe the nefarious data mining reason is a huge part of that.
“it would be pretty easy to narrow down who you are”
shows a location miles from my house
they’re on to me
It ain't that simple when they can combine that approximate location data with other data that can then pinpoint you exactly. No data is truly both useful and anonymous: if it's useful, it can likely be de-anonymised by combining with another dataset.
That location is still enough to infer a lot of information about you: political orientation, favorite sports team, stores you're likely to shop at, and more. Don't think for a second that these companies aren't highly skilled at extracting every bit of useful information from limited data sets.
Robert Belcher lol i meant that the cheddar video was in to me. while they were talking about locating you they put a dot on a map that’s super close to me so it’s just a coincidence for people that live in chicago. i know that theyre taking all this data and making a profit off of it
@@ethan60645 Oh, hah, nice.
You gotta put a smilie or something. There are so many stupid people that it isn't surprising to see someone to write what you did in complete seriousness!
Make it so it breaks in 4 years, that’s how they make their money. Lol
Hewlett Packard: Did someone say my name?
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Am I the only one with a 20 yo CRT tv on my kitchen?
@@h8GW nah. Apple is actually one of the best if you ignore the iphone 6 shit. The iphone 5 and 4 hold up SUPRISINGLY well in 2020.
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As TVs became "smarter: they became more of a pain in the butt to deal with. It has become so bad that I don't even turn mine on as it is too much of a hassle. I've had it unplugged for years now.
Me to
Your screen name is LITERALLY How I describe the way one of my Cats look. I shit you not! I wish I could attach a photo. I don't use the "Smart" part of my TV as it's no longer supported for some reason. It's old I guess. I have it attached to my laptop & watch everything online. No Cable Bill in over 10 years, & I can watch anything you can watch on paid cable relatively free, aside from the Internet cost.
"when you stare into the abyss...."
"the abyss stares back INTO you."
In Soviet Russia, abyss stares at you
Remember when that was a saying, not a PSA?
@@flickgeek830 Some German fella said that, waaay back when. Was it Nietzsche? Wittgenstein?
This got creepy. I'm still using my trusted old full hd 32" tv from 2008, which cost 500€ back in the day. If it ever breaks, I'm not connecting my next TV to the internet
@St0rm Ranger I'm more of a tinfoil hat than you think.
I have an old "dumb" phone and I've blocked the webcam on my computer :^)
They can still monitor your viewing habits, even if your just watching OTA TV just by driving past your house. IF the TV is turned on it emits RF energy through your antenna which can be sampled to see which channel you are tuned to!
@@TheOzthewiz Oh well, there's not much worth watching in the TV where I'm from anyways. So I prefer books actually. So far there's no way for the almighty Google(&NSA) to know which books. I think, haha.
But I get your point, privacy has been eroded a lot and not many seem to care
I just use my “smart TV” as a dumb one. The “smart” part comes with the HTPC I connect to it.
Tabletti Tili I have a smart TV but don’t connect it to the internet. I use my Apple TV and phone to give it content to display.
CRT TVs and Plasma TVs were just too expensive to make compare to LCD technology. All of this other stuff is way less changing compared to LCD tech
DLP rear projector TV's were also cheap to produce. Some even had smart TV capabilities. Of course they're long gone now.
LED now, not LCD
@@kodaph True, and now there are different types of LEDs.
@@kodaph LED is the back lighting technology, the LCD is the panel that makes the picture you see. Its just marketing hype now to say "LED" only. They used to say LED LCD, then they just dropped the LCD, maybe because it sounded like an older TV from mid 2000s?
@@kodaph They are STILL LCD panels, but use LED "backlighting" instead of CFL. Unless, you are talking about OLED!
Look at Amazon. Echo Dot 2019 Christmas season was $25. $25. Compare that small form factor, improved voice recognition, incredible sound quality for the size if compared to say even 5 years ago.
I bet some Amazon products LOSE Amazon money. But their products now give them an advantage based on the information gathered. The deal i am alluding to was for prime members only (hence they know you are already subscribe to their service). Now once you own the product they begin to learn everything about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah I know I sound paranoid, but I personally own multiple Amazon products. They add a lot of value to my life by connecting to my smart home.
All these companies just want a “foot in your door” & an eye & and ear loool
1 out of thousands have an IQ high enough to see certain patterns and things. The sweet life it must be to be 'normal'. Then there's us, pointing and screaming about the asteroid coming.
Yeah I shouldn't own some but I own 2. They are incredibly useful for my day to day life
Even Google home mini was sold for 4$ during a recent offer
You don't sound paranoid you sound educated.
Amazon have trying to give me an Echo for free for years. Even claimed I won a competition where the price was one. I keep telling them to shove it.
Hah! Tracking!!! now I can say I have a reason I've never used my smart TV features. Always have used it as just a plain ol display connected to computer or disk player.
same here. nothing is supported on there anymore lol
I'm 26 yo and I never have a TV since I'm living alone. The same can be said for most young people.
Do a video on why cars are so expensive. We were told years ago that automation would make them cost very little money in the future.
That is easy, government meddling.
They're so expensive cause of all the bells and whistles that come standard now. Look at a base model camry from 10 years ago and one today.
Vizio has around 400 employees they don't need a huge margin to be profitable.
Meanwhile, I still have a CRT...
Good! Hook up a N64 to that b and play some ocarina for the rest of us~
At least you still got the av input. Or is it output? Dont know tbh
@@bimmer8602 - Input.
Bro I have a tube one and it’s running out of the colour blue
LCDTV with no web.
Just like they say. If something is free it's never truly free now days because YOU are the product. You are and will forever be the most valuable item in your life.
Well it's simple, their Chinese factories just don't pay their "employees"
Planned obsolescence must be a major factor, too. When the apps on your smart TV stop working after a couple of years, or there's a new 'essential' streaming service that your TV doesn't support (eg. Disney+), of course you're going to upgrade to a new shiny model.
Or just buy an nVidia shield 2019 pro....
@@lakorai2 I did.?.
HandyAndy Tech Tips No. I’ll just buy a Roku which I did for our 2016 smart TV!
"Can't get more for less, especially in tech". What world do you live in? Tech prices and innovation almost always come down in price.
If cars went the "way" electronics has, you would be able to buy a NEW Cadillac for $20!
@@TheOzthewiz Wouldn't buy it for that price even.
@@TheOzthewiz eh, cars have a lot more machining and materials. You are not just paying for materials and labor though, you are also paying for research and development as well as any other gimmicks they can stuff into the car. You could probably buy a new cadillac for 10 grand if it had the same feature set as a 40 year old model, but you will miss things like airbags, crash testing, electronics past the radio, fuel efficiency and the like. it would also drive like a boat lol.
This is why I exchanged my 2011 “early smart tv” for an 08 Sony Bravia. It’s perfect for old and new consoles and dvd movies look great even over composite.
i have the same tv, its better than most tv's nowadays
Danimations! 32 inch 1080p Bravia?
This makes so much sense. I remember I use to wonder how companies like FB makes money. Now we all know.
"Your TV is stealing your data or whatever."
My TV that can only be a television and basic media player: * laughs *
When online, my tv has ads... IN THE UI... and the UI also drops to 5 FPS so I just keep it offline.
This video got unexpectedly scary half the way through.
I was at Walmart one day: 32" smart TV for $33 CAD.
thats...really small
Wow, I paid almost $500 for a 32 inch JVC CRT TV in 2004! That tv weighed over 200 pounds, I don't miss those days at all, lol.
@@lloydhudson6463 "Flat Screen"? usb port in the back ran linux to run the digital signal decoder I had one of those.
@@TatsuZZmage It was a flat screen, but man was it heavy, lol. You definitely get more value for your money these days.
found that out my self with pi hole in my home, every evening my smart tv was sending about 5k request every evening to different channel distributors and ads services
The speakers are so weak on TVs these days. You need to buy a separate sound bar for decent audio.
Or turn on close captions
Still remember hearing a late 80s(I think) Bang & Olufsen tv at my relative's place in the 2000s. By far the best sound I ever heard coming out of a TV set.
I don't know why they no longer call it a "Speaker" like they have since the things were invented.
Also, weak sound from a TV is nothing new. Some had good speakers but mostly it just sounded like crap.
@@Lesrevesdhiver soundbars are literally bars tho, they still sell speakers too.
Early television
The Baird "Televisor" (sold in 1930-1933 in the UK) is considered the first mass-produced television, selling about a thousand units
that was a mechanical scan type television and I think (since it had such horrible picture quality) it doesn't count :-)
The TV always watches me, the TV knows. I can't wait to have my big brother in my TV!
Never give a TV your WIFI password
In the U.K. the prices are fixed by the manufacturers, the retailers are not allowed to give discounts.
The problem with almost all "smart" products is they act really dumb once the internet connection is lost.
I'm glad I have a few movies and series on my laptop and PC in case I loose that connection for a while.
Same. Gotta have those backups just in case 👍
This is what we've come to. Are you even reading what you're saying? So what if you lose connection for a few hours?
@@Acetyl53Try days/weeks when you need to go to a hospital/clinic that has no internet or just an expensive connection in the cafeteria.
It might do some good to invest in an over a terabyte high-quality SD card or flash drive
I think it's a way easier to use a chromecast to watch stuff on TV then to use the smart tv
typing on a remote is actually awful anyways, i whole heartedly agree
Yeah also a lot of Smart TVs don't support every streaming app
+Hans -- Plus, some TV makers don't particularly keep up with the software updates that their "app world" needs. I know my Samsung smart TV was _always_ behind. Now I just use Amazon Fire Sticks on all my TVs. 👍
There are TVs with Chromecast built-in just like Roku TVs and Fire TVs.
Many smart TVs have Chromecast built-in too, like my Vizio.
Something interesting I just realize, on my PlayStation I’ve been watching the whole Dragon Ball Z series and when ever I’d be on TH-cam I would get recommended clips from episodes that I was watching the last night, and the two aren’t connected in anyway shape or form except WiFi 🤔
Easy E-van this is why I ignore the “you also might like” section.
Google and Facebook use your internet IP to target advertising, among many other things. If others visit your house and use your internet to search for X on google, you will see ads on your computer shortly.
Your using the same TH-cam account for both...
Toshiba had closed down their appliance business. Hence their TVs generally will be sold off cheaper
Nobody paid $700 for a 14" TV in 2009!
EDIT:
The Westinghouse TV pictured in this video is a 15" model (they did introduce a 19" model later).
Thats why, though we have a 4k smart TV, it is only rarely connected via Ethernet for Updates, and the rest of the time its just a big monitor for other devices to output to.
@gringott12 did you have to connect it during setup?
Same, I just have it plugged into my computer (with ad blockers) and it mostly just gets used for work now so I bet Vizio is disappointed
I've had my Vizio 32 inch for ten years now. I only just thought about it while watching this video. Damn, not bad for the 200 bucks I spent on it in 2010. It's my bedroom tv and has been fine for me still doing it's job and no serious complaints. The on tv buttons don't seem to work when I press them but the remote negates that I guess.
Imagine if everyone read all user agreements.
Then no one would use anything. And they'd be forced to act better. Hmm.. 🤔🤔
@@HelgaCavoli exactly but even if they do they'll still opt in just to use it
@@drane1210, that's because we all don't fully understand the exact implications of what we're so carelessly agreeing on.
They would spend the rest of their lives doing it
old equipment lasted forever. crap now, you replace every couple of years. not really cheaper for us.
You forgot to mention how much lighter by weight the LED and LCD TV are. Less Weight means less shipping costs. The old CRT TV's were heavy as hell. a 32" CRT TV weighed 70 or more pounds. A new 32" Flat screen weighs less the 20 lbs and uses less space. I have owned both a 32" CRT TV and I now have a 32" LED TV. I can easily carry the LED TV in one arm, the CRT 32" is heavy and bulky as hell.
I started laughing so hard at 5:14 . I love the idea of this TV show that is just a pair of eyes that watches you.
CZsWorld
That concept is older than you think
Also I advoid the data mining as much as possible. I have a guest wifi network that only my IOT devices connect to, this subnet is prohibbited from accessing my internal network. And I just turn off the guest wifi when I'm done with the TV.
"the TV is watching you "😂😂😂
That's creepy 😰
1984
Don't turn that telescreen off comrade!
Not really, people make a big deal out of it, but companies just want to offer you stuff you are most likely to buy so they are happy and you are happy, is really a win win situation
Seems fair to me 😇✨
@@johnfoltz8183 I think they can made a tv that watch you even if is on standby. Only unpluged from power it will be really off.
00:56 - Analogue TVs weren’t 480p but 480i because NTSC video uses interlaced scan instead of progressive scan to save bandwidth.
Getting more for less through competition is literally the entire selling point for capitalism. What are you smoking?
One good reason to be under the new europe privacy laws
US needs to do something similar but we have our own issues to deal with.
The suggestion that to maintain privacy requires cutting the Internet connection should have also said, or by using a VPN. A Virtual Private Network precludes interception and traffic-analysis.
I've got some bad news about VPNs
That used to be a valuable option except for now vpn's are blocked by streaming services.
Its not perfect but it helps.
It only takes 7 to 10 pieces of "anonymous" data to pinpoint you specifically.
Remember that when some company wants to collect "anonymous" information about you.
Or, the worst thing you can do is to UNSUBSCRIBE from notifications, doing so lets THEM know they got through to you!
No one needs a TV screen if they have a smart phone or a computer, which everyone does since you need that to get a job or make a living. TV screens are just not something people need anymore. Supply and demand is pretty obvious.
Cuz the technology has matured....and TCL is undercutting them with cheap Chinese electronicz
2:58 “This is the way”
-The Mandalorian
This is the way
I have spoken!
Is The Mandalorian a guy who lost billions trying to sell people stainless steel automobiles?
I literally thought that this video was going to speak on how these TVs are made versus the data that they get from.
This video made money from YT's monitoring you.
Used to be a lot of the cost of television sets was in the shipping. The units were heavier and needed more space to ship. Now they're thin and light, doesn't take a lot to ship them.
In 2004, I paid $2,400.00 for a 42" Plasma from Tiger Direct. And THAT was the best deal on the market...
I wonder how the GDPR affects these activities
How about not connecting the "Smart TVs" to the internet? I'm fine with HDMI cable.
In the 70s we had a TV from Radio Rentals. It had coin box attached to the back. You had to put coins into it to watch the telly. There were only three stations ( black and white of course) and programmes usually stopped at around midnight. When times were hard we turn the TV upside down on a table and with the aid of a bread knife try to retrieve some of the money for cigarettes.
I'm glad you raised this important issue to the public's attention. I'm sad that you didn't include the biggest alternative revenue stream. Hint: where are most TVs manufactured? I'll let you figure it out.
*_That tube TV did not have a resolution of 480p._*
"you could be watching me on your TV right now" 😂😂
LOL how'd you know 🤣🤣
Time to install a firewall, and block all outgoing connections from the tv...
And inspect traffic with wire-shark.
Or just turn off the tracking
Why? what are you worried about? you have something illegal? if you don't then there's nothing to worry about, targeted ads are just ads about stuff you are more likely to like
@@julianxamo7835 I do not want those company's to know what i am watching and making money from me.
They already know way to much, i like my privacy. Has nothing to do with illegal or not.
@@pcuser80 you literally lose nothing by letting them know what you are watching, and you didn't give a reason for not wanting them to know
@@pcuser80 they are not taking photos of you or anything, it's all anonymous, so what's the big deal?
2 things. 1st that Sylvester was no larger than “27 most likely a “19. 2nd they eliminated an entire industry, television repair. They make more money having you purchase a new one every 3 years now instead of keeping yours for 10+
They also need to mention that TV manufacturers profits have gone down dramatically. Many even have lost money on their TV business or have dropped out of the market altogether
Disingenuous. I take the point but electronics have always been susceptible to extreme deflation. It’s ridiculous and disingenuous to imply otherwise. There’s no way that data is worth $100s per device. The truth is the the type of microprocessors normally found in mobile phones are insanely cheap. I can prove it: how much is a raspberry pi computer? Peanuts.
It’s not really disingenuous, they said at the start about how electronics become cheaper over time.
They even include a quote saying they have a “blended revenue” so they acknowledge that data isn’t their only way of making money.
Plus, it’s not just for one bit of data. They are collecting info on you for 6-7 years, which makes this much more valuable
@@falling_vega1257 but TVs that have the same model but smart and non smart versions have the non smart cheaper...
@@falling_vega1257 that quote also says users can opt out. Its not like there isn't a choice if you but a tv.
One more reason why I'm probably never buying a TV again lol.
Might as well just stick a TV tuner card in your computer.