Does This Amp DESERVE the JCM 800 Namesake? | Marshall JCM 800 2210 2 Channel Tube Amp
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Always amuses me when people get snotty about later model Marshalls because "ew diodes", when the same people probably idolise stuff like Jose modded plexis... Which, you know. Added diodes.
I never understood why the 2210 JCM 800 and JCM 900s are outcasts and hated and the silver jubilee is a holy grail amp that's praised for it's tone but also has diode clipping in the circuit.
@@mickhudson I think what's special about the Jubilee is the input gain/trim. I think it should be on all Marshalls
What's diodes
@@Jay-sy5yf referring to solid state components for distortion.
@@mickhudson the worst part is people saying "ew diodes" and then put a tube screamer in front of the amp. What's tube screamer made of? Opamps and diodes.
Would love to hear you put a JCM 800 Kerry King model through its paces!
I've tried so many boutique overdrive pedals and the stock boss SD-1 used a boost feels the most "fun" to play. Keeps the growls and the midrange.
True to me, did you made C6 mod on sd-1?
SD-1 rocks
You can easily mod that pedal with a kit. Desolder a few parts and solder in a few better parts in their place. Cheap improvement to a good pedal.
Yeah, the asymmetric circuit helps with that. While still a Tube Screamer basically, the clipping change gives the SD-1 its distinct sonic tone. I do find it better for metal tones, but a standard TS works just as well, especially if the Tone knob is pushed at 2 o clock or higher.
That’s a JCM 800 in my book. I know people prefer the two input single channel versions . Yeah I’m the 90s those two channel 800s could be had for 500 or less. I remember seeing 50 watt single channel 2x12 combos for around 400 of course shipping would’ve gotten the price on up there but still cheap by today’s standards. I think the mythical legendary status of the 800 series has led to the unobtanium like prices of the reissues they are just too expensive for a Marshall that they’ve been building for 40 plus years now ? The SC20 was a good amp for the money before the latest price increase but in my opinion you should nearly be able to buy a 50 jcm800 reissue for what Marshall is asking for the studio 20s now. I’m sorry but the new JCM reissues are ridiculous expensive. Come 3550 for a JCM 800 is ludicrous to me. The 800 is an incredible amp but for 3500 you could have a much more versatile amp, hell two more versatile amps and probably a couple decent used cabs . I’d be interested in a Vietnamese built 800 since the quality of the Vietnamese Marshalls seems to be improved to the point of being as reliable as any other mass produced amp in a far eastern factory.
I remember when the rectum fryer was all the rage and you couldn't give away a 2203
The Holy Grail JCM's are the early 80's. 80-82 i believe. The vertical input models. Yet at the same time, I have heard plenty of bands using the non Holy Grail models and getting killer tones so......
Vertical inputs into 84
@@lowqualityguitarvideos '85 was the last year for vertical inputs and the infamous design changes in the filter capacitors. Only the 2203 changed, the 2204 remained unchanged even after the post-'85 PCB mounted horizontal jacks 👍
I apologized for all the Marshall fan boys, the majority of us can't take it when you say anything bad about our amps
So this is what Ola Englund used for his In The Room video. I wondered why that JCM 800 of his had so many knobs and so much gain out of the box! This does classic Marshall and thrash really well! I definitely disagree with the masses on the diode clipping sounding horrible even though I love the classic JCM sound.
Fantastic amp. They dont make mashall now like they yist to. The 50 watt was better
Maybe I missed it but what year is this amp? Earlier 2205/2210's from 1982-mid 1985 have a completely different circuit than later models, even though they look the same. Later 1985-1989 circuits may as well be a completely different amp - I've had an '82, 85, and 86 all side by side. I couldn't sell the '82 fast enough, I hated it, channel bleed issues as well as lower gain and fizzier sounding without the punch. My 85 and 86 I still have - and even those sound quite different from each other, the 85 is much brighter (and also 50w compared to the other two which were 100w). I like them both a lot for different tones.
You can also tell which circuit you have by removing the V2 tube. If the boost channel stays exactly the same, it's the later circuit. I wish I still had the earlier circuit to do a comparison video because they are really quite different amps - similar to the way that Model 2100/2500 JCM900's are completely different if they are Mk III or SLX models.
That Marshall and Mesa cab is a killer combo! Especially loved the voicing when you engaged the SD-1 so good 🔥🤘🏼
If you dont like a jcm 800, you just suck at guitar
Kyle, we gotta try the Kerry King 800 bro
Ew diodes but guitarists proceed to add boost pedals in front of their amps lol.
I enjoy mine with the presence all the way up, treble back a little, and like channel volume around 6-7. I had mine recapped with sozo caps and the channel bleed went away. Added the gain mod for it and it helps a little bit but it didn’t really need much help anyhow. Smoothest Marshall I’ve played while retaining the vocal mids. No American bottom end to it and I honestly think it makes for a better recorded tone with less need to clean up the low end in a mix.
Suffered from? It's supposed to channel bleed over 7. Somewhat like patching a Plexi.
I’ve had good luck diming the channel volume, setting the gain to taste and then controlling the overall volume with the master section. Also turn all clean channel pots to zero as it can bleed into the gain channel. Boost or no boost it can rule.
I guess the bleed is like the Mark series cascading gain in a way but not nearly as useful.
You made this version of the amp sound 1000% better than the 2203 for metal. The tones here kick ass. It did get tubby with max gain and no boost, but once you dialed the gain back and added a boost, it sounded great! Dopesauce.
Tbh fam this thing kicks ass and does death metal without pedals. I own a 50w combo & love it.
I’m a longtime “Marshall” man & owned a 2210 in the late 80’s.
When it worked it sounded great. I had blown fuses, tubes and OT on the one I owned. It got so bad that I traded it in for a rack system to use with my awesome JMP 1987. Once I went back to the 1987 I never looked back.
I guess I just got a lemon, but again when my 2210 was working it was a fantastic sounding head.
Hah a little bit of irony. I traded a rack system to get my 2210...lol. I don't regret owning the 2210. It has been a great warrior for me but, I only traded the rack gear I had because of a ground loop problem that would randomly cause a loud pop followed by a hum that lasted for minutes and was never able to get it sorted but I sure wish I still had that too as one of the components was a MESA Quad Preamp that sounded awesome and I had only paid $400.00 for in pristine condition and now they go for between $900.00 to $1200.00 depending on condition and functionality. Oh well I got the 2210 and a 50watt Artist model that sounded great but got sold when I needed some cash. I don't see myself ever letting my 2210 go though. I've never had to do anything more than replace tubes and that was out of choice.
That's the amp I had been chasing for years and I finally got one a couple of months ago, to me it's about cranking the mids, that 'vocally' sound that was kind of weird for you is exactly what I love and the first thing I do any time I get to play any Marshall is turning that knob all the way up, the 2210 sounds killer to me, a Les Paul and a TS9 in front, gain at 6/7, mids at max, bass before noon, and treble/presence at taste.
There's no point in comparing it to a 5150 or a Dual Rectifier, is not what this amp is supposed to be, is not the style this amp is for, JCM800s are not high gain amps (compared to the modern day beasts out there). I think that this amp is really good for Hard Rock, Glam and Heavy Metal, there it shines.
Greetings \m/
This was my first Marshall .I bought it new in 87 and loved it
I had a 2205 and a 1936 2x12" cab back in 1988 before I got my JMP 2203/1960 half stack :) Both were awesome, and I should have kept them, as well as the Lead 12 !
I review pedals and when a pedal claims to be an Amp-in-a-Box of a particular make/model I listen to your demo of the real amp to find out. Small things like using an SM57 make a big difference to your demo giving me an the best idea ...short of being in the room with you. I know my amp history and I have reliable tech friends to give me a heads up on important issues. After the JCM 800 the next very, very, very important amp is the Soldano SLO 100. The reason is because everything after it designers could and did jump past all the Marshalls and use it as the new 'blue print' to 'start' from. In short the Dual Rec and 5150 literally on paper started there. After that it is all about voicing the mids that gives an amp an identifiable voice of it's own.
Yes I did digress. Your review of the JCM800 was excellent from mentioning the diodes to the soft attack that has always been part of the Marshall sound. not a problem unless your music relies on a lot of 'chugging', LOL.
I bought my first Marshall in 1971 ...a new 50 watt Plexi at the Selmer store in London UK. It's a long story but it was Ron Wood who in effect got me a really cheap price. I am on my 3rd one now and I expect at 75 it will see me out.
have you ever considered using an eq pedal in your videos like the mxr 10 band eq? ive noticed a lot of times there will be like really specific frequencies you say are annoying or missing with amps, i think it could be a really cool segment like towards the end of your videos where you use an eq pedal and try to really dial in the nitty gritty specifics of an amp and see if you can make it sound even better than the original eq controls allow. just a thought! love the vids 🤘🤘🤘
I got it in the late 80’s, the clean sucked!!!
Helpful tip with this amp Kyle: Dime the Boost channel volume and use the Master Volume to adjust overall volume. Use gain knob to taste. This is the way the manual says to use it for maximum gain. Diming that boost channel volume really opens up the amp. You'll have to dial out the presence and treble because it'll have that distinct JCM800 brightness. Another great video Kyle! Let me know if you try those settings!
No doubt. Everything in the boost channel pegged!!! I’ve had this head since 1989. Never needed to boost for more gain.
Great review!!!
@@cbraham Diming?
@@Popskull_666 setting all the way to 10
But this one goes to 11 😂
No, they aren't super high gain amps. The JCM 800 was introduce in 1981 for eff's sake. But they love it when you punch them in the face with a stout overdrive. I would love to have mine back.
Channels like this prove that a good player can take any amp and make it work. I've seen seasoned players use old solid state Peavey amps and they sound great. I've seen dumb kids with rich parents blow money on $4000 stacks and they sound like garbage. If you're a halfway decent player, you can probably take any amp and get some good usable sounds out of it after spending a day or so tweaking it at band practice/show levels. For me I always kept my master volumes around noon, and based everything around that. It wasn't necessarily intentional, it's just the way it ended up happening, and it ended up being the perfect level for practice and shows. I always knew exactly how the amps would react as long as I kept it around that same level.
That amp looks like it smokes two packs a day
A lot of mention of peeing and pooping pants in this video. It almost made me forget the pee and poop in my pants
I’m running an MXR 10 band EQ in the effects loop with Peppers Dirty Tree boost in the preamp in my ’89 2210. Sounds massive. Thanks for the video.
Along came a dog, and he make a poopy, so now it dirty tree and a turd.
When can I start?
No clean lead tones. No Matchless, no Tone King, no Fender, guess I'm in the right place!
The JCM800 is a classic Thrash Metal fan once I hear the JCM800 I think of Slayer and Metallica with JCM800's slaved into Mesa/Boogie Mark 2 C+ heads.
Ive got an 89, no channel bleed.
This amp, and the JCM900, non-SLXs, have one key circuit design concept that hold them back from what a 2203 can do. When an amp has an opamp buffered FX loop, it limits the max voltage swing that hits the phase invertor by a large margin. So that Plexi-style, cranked overdrive from the power amp kind of gets nerfed down. They are preamp-voiced amps. And they can sound good when dialed in. They just can't roar or breath in quite the same way as, say a 2203.
My first tube amp! Still gets alot of play time.
You are right about the mids above 6... But... I set it at about 7, and with an eq in the loop, boost some lows and cut some 800Hz. That vocal mids works great for leads with this setting. I love the growl on this thing. And yes... It's not really a percussive amp. Glad you liked it ☺️
i own a 2203 red tolex special edition. Payed like 500€ in 2010 or sth. Now its at least 1500€ up. Its the loudest most unforgiving amp i‘ve ever played. Its so sensitive and direct.
This amp, well the 50w version of it (2205) was supposed to be Michael Schenker's signature amp. He apparently had some input on the design, but the deal fell through apparently. The 2205 is still his amp of choice though, so if one wants to get a MSG type sound, the 2210/2205 is definitely it.
He was using two during his Hellfest Festival set back in June... sounded killer 👍
@@scottdunn2178 I would imagine! He sounds great these days indeed!
@@Nghilifa Search; *Michael Schenker Hellfest* they do about a 50 minute set 👍
Yo Kyle! So tip with this amp. Dime the channel volume, it gets WAY gainier, the EQ also becomes extremely active, I think the difference in doing that, will shock you.
Before your channel I was already using the MXR M77. And you've been spot on how to use it with anything. Keep going. I'm still waiting for a Carvin Legacy video . I'd love to see your take on the Carvin Vl100.
Also an mts3200!
I loved my 2210, it is like a more metal version of a 2203 for less money and fx loop, 2 ch and DI output. Mine was an '87. The earlier versions were not good. Get an 87 or later
JCM800 + SD-1 is the way to go. MESA cab is good. Might try a darker sounding cab. I hear these amps also sound good with Greenback or Creamback speakers.
So much more fun than a 5150. The JCM800 2205 rules. Jon Norum uses the 2205 in the studio and live. he has JMP's on stage for show, but the guitar runs through his 2205 behind the stage.
LOL ;D The 2205/10 are THE JCM800 amp !! The 1959/1987 were just repackaged JTM heads and the 2203/04 were the JMP amps just the same :) I was there, and we used to call them Clean-sound Marshalls, AC/DC heads, while the channel switch-reverb heads were the state of the art Marshalls in the mid 80s, only rivaled by the Mesa/Boogie Caliber series :)
I think the volume is part of the gain structure (post preamp - pre master) so you really can't the get the best sound without going somewhat loud. FWIW
One of the best metal tones I've heard was a Fender strat with a maple neck and a single EMG 81 into a Marshall 2210 boosted with a Boss DS-2 in Turbo mode.
Let me guess: Cryptopsy?
@@phantom24323 no my friends band. But Cryptopsy did use jcm800's with metal zones.. So did Dissection.
@@timbuk1126 gotcha. Jon Levassuer used a Strat with an EMG 81, so wasn’t sure if you were talking about Cryptopsy. Thanks for the clarification though!
Sounds similar to Tom Morello’s setup
Marshall should have called this amp something else because it is nothing like an JCM800 2203 & 2204.
I have owned 2204, 2203 and 2210 and I liked the 2210 the least.. 2203 & 2204 sounds alot better and you really have to crank the volume to make these sound really good.
It sounds like pure Marshall. Why wouldn't it deserve to be called 'JCM?'
edit: when you bumped up the Gain to 11 o'clock before it 'came alive,' I think some of the Orange's copied that. You're right, it's surprising how little Gain this thing has.
I have a Marshall running into Vintage 30s and sounds fantastic… better than anything I played at guitar center last weekend. Professional recording sound with a cheap sennheiser microphone. Curious what wattage speaker Kyle is using in the cabinet as I’ve only seen 60 watt V30s. Great playing, love the White Zombie riff.
I love my 85 2210
Its sounds amazing and better than any 2203 I’ve ever played.
Its the reason I bought it
You're smart. You just don't have much experience in amp electronics. Be nice to yourself.
In the early 80s when this came out it was cheap
Marshall wanted it cheap.
In the UK. Punk bands
Used it as they were mostly garage bands.
Discharge to name one
Oh and Motorhead..
Were in 2022 now....
How can folks Dis.
A product designed 40 odd years ago.
Messa who ?.
Dude if u heard my 4 stage '85 2204 youd shit your shorts. No LED's or other diodes needed. Just neuter the first 3 coupling stages, drive the EQ with hi plate voltage, install a 4 way switch at the slope for some actual variation then shove the preamp into 6550s. Of course theres more but thats it in a nutshell
JCM 800 sounds amazing with OCD pedal in-front. Nice tones though.
I have a Marshall JCM800 4010 combo, now I swapped out the Celeston speaker in favor of the Eminence DV-77 . It helps get rid of the harsh Brite top end that rip your ears to shreds. It's a 1989 model, so I did notice the thing with the mids, however I wouldn't say it sounds " weird " more like they actually work lol. I run the mids at 1 O'clock. I run so many different drive pedals in front of it, I love the 40th anniversary SD1 pedal in front of it and the EVH 5150 overdrive, and the Ibanez Nu-tube screamer sound great in front of the Marshall JCM800 series amps. Just my preference obviously, but works for me lol
I've got the 4010, but early 80s, vertical inputs. Doesn't sound at all harsh, must be the 65 speaker. Straight into the amp, it sounds much better than this 2210. They both need a tube screamer to get the Anthrax thrash tone
You are supposed to use a 1960 lead 4×12 with the 800, not a Mesa! Try it and make a new video, otherwise u don't give right to the amp. 😃👍🤘
I found somewhere that you need to put boost channel volume around 10 to make it sound good. It works! Proud owner of 2210 :p
Crikey....you're crankin out one video after another lately...
I've actually slowed down to about 2-3 a week! I was doing 5 at one point!
The Marshalls with a crooked logo always sound better... anyone else ever notice that?
Love this amp. Just can't justify the price. A JCM 2000 for much cheaper can get me close enough.
I am a 40 something who played in punk groups in the 90's. My first two bands used the 2205, 2210 and also a jcm 900. All were great for what were doing....and all were dirt cheap. Lol! I would absolutely not pay anywhere near what people are asking for them now. I would get yourself a jcm 200 DSL 50 or 100; about half the price and IMO better overall amps anyway.
@@SluggerStark I’ve had several JCM2000s and DSL100s and they’re stellar. Not many folks would tell the difference. Like Kyle says, the JCM sounds everyone loves are modified to all hell anyway.
Besides that I am playing more like Randy, Jake, Zakk, Yngwie, Nuno and so on.
Had a 2205 for a bit. The EQ is different if I recall correctly in the earliest runs of these, then they changed the placement of the EQ in the circuit and it behaves a bit differently (more flexible but also some bad tones possible iirc). They also had more channel bleed in the earliest years, which i think was fixed by 1988 or so. I really enjoyed the amp but ultimately didnt keep it because it wasnt what I wanted at the time. It behaves quite differently from other more vintage Marshall circuits, and I wasnt quite ready for that.
There were many different amps under the JCM800 moniker. So why not.
I find with the dirty channel on the 2210 you really need to have the channel volume dimed. My 2210 with channel volume on 10 sounds so alive vs even set to 7 or 8
have you tried this? everything at 10 then subtracting? seems to push the amp into a nice state th-cam.com/video/uhaCihwnJm0/w-d-xo.html
That amp sound great dude ill trade it for my modded jcm 2000 any day
Definitely enjoyed this.
The ending was the bomb. It really shine through. Did not expect this amp with the extra knobs today o be any good. But was surprised.
Sounded great with the SD-1, better when you rolled the gain down a bit.
I remember A/B testing the new 20 watt version of this vs the DSL20, and I was floored by how agressive this thing sounds.
It had such low amounts of gain, making palm muting really difficult, but man just playing power chords, it would growl and snarl like a wild beast.
The DSL had way more gain, but it was more subdued somehow.
Kinda round and controlled in comparison. Still a great amp though.
The 20w jcm800 is a smaller version of the single channel 2203/2204’s :)
Idk how u can even hear. I had to sell my 2210 bc it was too loud at only 1 with ear plugs in
you are definitely a smart person, give yourself some credit lol
dude I've never been into the 2210 or 2205 but this one sounds incredible. Very nice work my friend.
Just like me push it to far it pops its called being 40
7:23 that was super sick
This is absolutely one of the best videos you have ever done! There are funny parts, sad parts and a great demo of the amp! This is exactly how I would test and tweak it! Keep up the great videos!
I own the same amp, sounds killer boosted, The noise you hear when you turn the gain up is the sound of the clipping diodes being added to the circuit, It is also the reason it brightens up, as you suggested. I modded mine with a post FX loop master volume and depth control so I can use it as a power amp for other pre-amps.
Hey its my amp! I have the mesa straight cab with mine.
This circuit has been out since 82, not the late 80s.
Turn up the volume and you will see 😂😂😂
Just my opinion but I would much prefer they re release these. And the 2205. They do the single channel and jubilee. Missing out by not doing these.
Kyle. DUDE, what the heck does the " prescience knob do anyways ??? My ancient a$$ ears cant tell what the heck it does...
Plus you said this video isnt scripted.... then said I'm getting off script... lol I know you meant to do that!!🤣😎
I owned JCM 800 50w, milion years ago. It was very loud an good as a pedal platform. Marshall JVM is a proper metal amp. Of course, Mesa 4x12 cab is the best one. Why other brands don't make the same cab?
I've had my 2210 for the better part of 30 years and it has never failed me. I never used it for thrash type playing and actually never used effects. It was just guitar through a Boss TU-12 tuner and into the amp. It's always down to opinion but for the type of music we played, classic to 80's and 90's hard rock, it was awesome with a Les Paul and no efx. The clean channel never got used because that's not what you buy a Marshall for and I'll admit, the reverb tank on it is crap. Other than that it was great sounding and ungodly loud. Is it worthy of the JCM800 moniker? In my very biased opinion....ABSOLUTELY! I do however think comparing it to a 5150, Dual or Triple Rectifier and the like is kind of Apples and Oranges.
Dude if this Amp ever comes up 4 sale let me know?? My dad gave me this Amp for my 18th b day in 1987 ish...I lost it to a Pawn shop and have been regretting for the last 21 years..I will buy it..as is...it would mean Alot to me!! Note I had the 50 watt version...but it's still cool
Hey man, I'm just curious, so you think that you could line up some effects to create some erie sounds, kind of like scary sound effects, because I'm curious to know what all sounds can be made, maybe even throw in a Wah pedal if possible?
Bro….I dig your videos….and for those who troll you and throw shade on you, f’ em!
Here’s a cool idea…..in your fx loop, run a depth finder….run both knobs at 75%…..you’re welcome!!!
Kyle , you did that 2210 justice..
I've used the Seymour Duncan distortion pickup it's too muddy though.
change the pickup and you'll get a lot more and better sound out of the amp..
2204s into a 412 with g12-65s pushed with an MXR D+ is perfection. It just has a grunt that works for sludge and hardcore. It's not a high gain amp, but it interacts with boosts and drives so well that it doesn't really matter honestly.
They were expensive in the 80s and 90s too. I remember. But yeah, everything is more now.
Just a side note. All older technology gear, has All ways been too expensive
People are getting ripped off . Have been for a long time.
Yes it does. Ask mr.schenker
Don't need to!
I had this amp in the past, linked to a 4*12 Hughes n kettner cab with v30. It was so huge with his master volume. Great amp.I sold it and i regret so much
Bought a new one in “84” it sucked. Came from the factory with unsoldered contact points, and when it was working it’s distortion or lack of sucked…imo
My dad had one back in the 80s with a 4x12 he got off a buddie for 800$ CAD. He put it in pawn for storage in Ontatrio when he was in the states and moving out to BC, he was in Flordia or Chicago when the ticket expired and she got sold. He still regrets it. Hearing "JCM 800" upsets him today.
I love V30s!!! 🤘🏽😈🤘🏽
Amazingly my 👖 are 💩 and pee free!
Cheers!
I would really like you to demo a Mesa/Boogie Triple Crown 100. I liked your demo so much on the Splawn Supersport, that I put one on order a couple of months ago (still waiting on production).
How would you say the 2210 compares to the JCM900 you demoed a while back? I just love this channel man, a little edge to ya at the beginning of this video! I like it. The Marshall purists are almost as bad as the Gibson evangelists (I say this as an owner of both)
"...or even a smart person." LOL
“Tell me & my stupid face how much you hate me in the comments below” 😅 For not being scripted, always do a good job of telling the stupid faces that demand clean examples from high gain amp channels & nice enough to provide even 1 dad rock riff lol. Always great job on the videos & appreciate it man! 😀
How many guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb?
1 to change it, and 1000 others to tell him how he "should have" done it.
I've never liked the sound of these, to me they always sound very stomp boxy. But then again I like my jcm900 4100 so what the hell do I know.
The Marshall fanbase is so bad. They're so hateful of everything that wasn't used by Hendrix or Clapton.
I think I see you have a sd1 waza? what's the difference from the original? Secondly, have tried the strymon sunset overdrive? For me it's been really cool to try, and mix together different overdrive Circuits in one pedal. Great demo, I never got to try a overdrive infront. the owner was offended i brought my own overdrive to try before i buy. he refused to sell me the amp. the only Marshall I ever owned was a TSL and i loved it. that was probably15 years ago, but I do love the little 25 watt EL34 Marshall.
Is the punk riff you played Slick Shoes?
It wasn't, but great band!