Ranking the BEST Nurgle Daemons & Combos in 10th Edition 40k | Chaos Daemons Tier List

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  • @fatarchon
    @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    So it looks like I completely forgot to mention Rotigus' Deluge of Nurgle ability hah - obviously that's REALLY good especially with the fact we can DS 3" next to any enemy & halve their OC meaning you can steal almost any objective. I do think Rotti is better than GUO as an ally but otw GUO all day everyday 😜 Anywho, let me know what you guys think of the vid or if I missed any fun combos!! Keep your eyes out for Tzeentch next

  • @Rd0Lg
    @Rd0Lg หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think a common problem, not just with Nurgle, is that small Daemons characters cost almost as much as the units they lead. Skullmaster is 100, Bloodcrushers are 110. Epidimius is 80, PBs are 110. Syll'esske is 120, Daemonettes are 100. You get the point. It never feels worth boosting a unit of 110 point with 80-100 point character when you could just pay 220 for double the units. If I was able to double up to 20 PBs for 220 and then have Epidimius lead them, it'd be a different story, but you can't.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think you explained it better then I did hah, great points & I'd say you're spot on for moat of those characters. I remember when 10th rolled around & they reduced all the squad sizes to x10 it was a surprise for most of us, maybe GW hasn't come around to how they really work now though because yes I'd much rather just bring another squad then risk the Assassinate / reduce my efficiency

    • @ViolosD2I
      @ViolosD2I หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon Good thing Pink Horrors are so expensive then, lol.

  • @bigsegzygypsy7619
    @bigsegzygypsy7619 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the coolest and most creative way of doing a tier list I’ve seen! Really enjoyed the video.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you very much! Not gonna lie, it makes setting up for a vid incredibly easy & helps with visualizing everything. Either way appreciate your comment & I'm glad you dug it!!

  • @LordZylok
    @LordZylok หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Playing Mono-Nurgle daemons left me feeling a little cold during 9th edition, and same deal at the start of 10th edition, but with the points + rules changes, things finally got cooking. There's actually some Nurgley sauce in this pan.
    Always fun to bully elite armies like Dark Angles or Grey Knights by doing what I call a "Screen Check". Oh, you didn't completely screen out objective X on turn 2? BAM, I deepstrike a Rotigus in withing 3.1 inches, halve your OC and movement stat, oh, and here's his friends, 2x 10 Plaguebearers who are within 6.1 inches of you with a +1 to charge buff. Oh, and those 2x10 plaguebearers are going to be swinging D2 lethal-hit weapons in your face due to the other buff Rotigus gives.
    And then I do that again on turn 3 with a regular GUO + 20 other Plaguebearers, hopefully on their home-objective as they attempted to pivot more forces towards the other objective I shat on the previous turn.

  • @arnaud2987
    @arnaud2987 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I m starting a mono Nurgle list, thanks you it helps a lot !

  • @richieboiiii
    @richieboiiii หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love your energy and informative videos. Looking forward to the Tzeentch review!

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you Rich! I planned to start working on the Tzeentch video tonight so keep your eyes out :) Appreciate you comment either way

  • @flatlander1234
    @flatlander1234 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yasss I've been waiting for the Nurgle review! You're becoming one my favorite YTers Archon. Keep it up man

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      'Daw, appreciate the comment friend. It's crazy how kind the community we've got is, normally on the internet you expect the worst out of people but genuinely it's been such a great experience to do all this videos. Anyways, tyvm for the kind words & I'm glad you got a kick out of the vid!!

  • @ostrimous
    @ostrimous 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent Video! I started with Tzeentch as an ally to my Thousand Sons (in 8th) and moved on to Nurglings, and the Great Unclean One (with shiny gems...chaos). I am gluing my Plague Drones and working on enough models to go full Nurgle as an option. Your advice helps my orders of construction for what I have.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah using them as allies is basically I how started my Daemon collection too. Needed some friends for my Death Guards, realized how awesome the other gods looked too & it sorta grew from there 😜 Hopefully we get some awesome new kits once the codex drops too

  • @jabbasleftnut1530
    @jabbasleftnut1530 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video i'm currently in a crusade using mixed 70% nurgle 30% khrone. Last night got tabled in 4 sad times, love your content keep up the good work.
    As for the great unclean one model, i built as the unclean one and magnetized all weapon options including rotigus weapons. Then used rotigus head, left over unclean one head and all the bits left over. Added the bits left over from the beast of nurgle box which nearly makes 2 anyway, combined all together and using das putty made 3 beast of nurgle.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah, the bloodborne pathogens approach.

  • @DwightOfTheDead
    @DwightOfTheDead หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great vid dude, I agree Nurglings are still mvps. Been running 2 in my list, one escorts GUO and the other gets paired with a MSU Beast of Nurgle for positional scoring.

  • @pawbentsen9506
    @pawbentsen9506 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a death guard player, you gotta love the nurgle deamons :D

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Amen! Two of the best looking armies ran together? Sounds like a match made in Nurgle Garden 😎

  • @theInsaneCashew
    @theInsaneCashew หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fat Archon the Daemon GOAT! I've been winning games with your help! Even my fluff lists are performing.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These are some of my favorite comments to read lol - hell yeah, glad to hear it's helping & congrats your wins!!! I love too, learning to be good at Daemons just makes you better at the game period

  • @firediowa_8452
    @firediowa_8452 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoy how all the greater daemons in these review vids are in the A+/S tier rankings, just goes to show that despite the issues of 10th. GW really nailed it with their data sheets, and since the release of 10th it’s really just been all uphill for Daemon players.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I was thinking last night just how good our statlines are overall, obviously the deepstrike is great too but it feels like that's one of the main things going for Daemons - just damn good efficiency overall. I *do* kinda miss the Exalted Traits (or whatever they were called) from 9th though hah. The 8D cap for BT or the 3++ for LoC etc were kinda fun. Too strong maybe but fun nonetheless!

  • @keyanklupacs6333
    @keyanklupacs6333 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Slug Puppy, Slug Puppy, Slug Puppy!

  • @ligitadventurez
    @ligitadventurez หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think sloppity is so much better than the pox bringer, the extra movement and forcing battle shock are both really helpful, while lethal 5+ is turning a bad damage unit into a not good damage unit

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I definitely like the Lethals & obviously the extra movement helps too. Yeah he's not terrible just doesn't fit my style I'd say! I think for casual play he is perfectly fine if not good tbh

  • @insanschino
    @insanschino หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    fok yea, keep em coming, i just finished watching slanesh, refreshed youtube and this one pops, can't beat that
    another problem with the scrivener is that comes only in the box of AOS spearhead nurgle

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah to get pics for the thumbnail I realized GW doesn't even list Epi or Scrivener on their website anymore. Doesn't bode too well for the future sadly :)

  • @jeanbon6807
    @jeanbon6807 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Put the video at 0.5 speed and you're now listening drunk Fat Archon at the end of a party with beers in the backyard.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you speed it up, apparently I sound like Ben Shapiro lmao

  • @mu551988
    @mu551988 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are a legend broooo

  • @ChrisfrmOhio
    @ChrisfrmOhio หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice use of the custom model of epidemius , I hope GW uses that as reference for the new plastic model

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here. They took him off the website so they're either axing his kit or remaking it. I kinda lean towards the latter because of how popular he is. Would be great to see a modern kit for him, I can only imagine how badass it would look

  • @HBK7239
    @HBK7239 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was rocking full Tzeentch in 9th and kicking ass 😂

  • @johnj.spurgin7037
    @johnj.spurgin7037 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All of this is just making me wonder what they'll do the god-specific detachments to make them flavorful and powerful.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I've been wondering about that for a while myself. Wouldn't be surprised if they add an animosity mechanic to some of the god specific detachments

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fatarchon I can see that, but I suspect they'd just lock god-specific detachment benefits to the god-specific keyword, EG Nurgle, Khorne, Etc.
      Would they get a 6th detachment though, and if so what would they build it around? Daemonic Incursion seems to be flavored to that end.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes it will be really hard to outdo the current detachment so I'm veeeery curious what they'll end up doing. For sure I do think we'll get an Undivided option like you mention, IF they do a 6th I wouldn't be surprised if it revolved around Mortals (so CSM or the like) but really sky's the limit on the directions they could take!

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon I mean the issue with making a detachment for mortals is that there's already rules to ally in demons to mortal forces. Would they really benefit from a detachment that works in reverse? mortals wouldn't benefit from the Shadow of Chaos because they aren't daemons...

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon thinking about it, they might do what they did with GSC and kneecap the index detachment, spreading it's goodies to the different other detachments a bit.

  • @fallenraven18m
    @fallenraven18m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think most of these rankings are fair. I disagree with Epidemius because he makes his plaguebearers nigh unkillable, and he gives them damage output, putting him in A or A+ in my book. Either way. Here is my current nurgle daemon list
    Nurgle (2000 points)
    Chaos Daemons
    Strike Force (2000 points)
    Daemonic Incursion
    CHARACTERS
    Daemon Prince of Chaos (190 points)
    • Daemonic Allegiance: Nurgle
    • 1x Hellforged weapons
    1x Infernal cannon
    Epidemius (80 points)
    • 1x Balesword and Nurgling attendants
    Great Unclean One (260 points)
    • Warlord
    • 1x Bilesword
    1x Plague flail
    1x Putrid vomit
    • Enhancement: The Endless Gift
    Rotigus (230 points)
    • 1x Gnarlrod
    1x Streams of brackish filth
    BATTLELINE
    Nurglings (70 points)
    • 6x Nurgling Swarm
    • 6x Diseased claws and teeth
    Nurglings (70 points)
    • 6x Nurgling Swarm
    • 6x Diseased claws and teeth
    Plaguebearers (110 points)
    • 1x Plagueridden
    • 1x Plaguesword
    • 9x Plaguebearer
    • 1x Daemonic Icon
    1x Instrument of Chaos
    9x Plaguesword
    Plaguebearers (110 points)
    • 1x Plagueridden
    • 1x Plaguesword
    • 9x Plaguebearer
    • 1x Daemonic Icon
    1x Instrument of Chaos
    9x Plaguesword
    OTHER DATASHEETS
    Beasts of Nurgle (140 points)
    • 2x Beast of Nurgle
    • 2x Putrid appendages
    Plague Drones (110 points)
    • 1x Plaguebringer
    • 1x Death’s heads
    1x Foul mouthparts
    1x Plaguesword
    • 2x Plague Drone
    • 1x Daemonic Icon
    2x Death’s heads
    2x Foul mouthparts
    1x Instrument of Chaos
    2x Plaguesword
    Plague Drones (110 points)
    • 1x Plaguebringer
    • 1x Death’s heads
    1x Foul mouthparts
    1x Plaguesword
    • 2x Plague Drone
    • 1x Daemonic Icon
    2x Death’s heads
    2x Foul mouthparts
    1x Instrument of Chaos
    2x Plaguesword
    Soul Grinder (180 points)
    • Daemonic Allegiance: Nurgle
    • 1x Harvester cannon
    1x Iron claw
    1x Phlegm bombardment
    1x Warpclaw
    ALLIED UNITS
    War Dog Brigand (170 points)
    • 1x Armoured feet
    1x Avenger chaincannon
    1x Daemonbreath spear
    1x Diabolus heavy stubber
    War Dog Brigand (170 points)
    • 1x Armoured feet
    1x Avenger chaincannon
    1x Daemonbreath spear
    1x Diabolus heavy stubber

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate you giving your input, Epi is for sure one of their best characters so I could see him having even more value than I give him credit for 😜 Nice list BTW! Legitimately seems like a great way to run mono Nurgle, personally I'm not super sold on Brigands usually but that's because I mainly run mixed god, for mono they'd be a great choice though

    • @fallenraven18m
      @fallenraven18m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fatarchon they give needed cover fire, oc 8 battleline units, and reliable anti tank.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I always forget they're OC8, yes that's very good indeed :)

    • @fallenraven18m
      @fallenraven18m หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @fatarchon thinking about splitting up the beasts to have more action monkeys but the plague drones often snag actions too so i have just grouped them together.

  • @hammers5222
    @hammers5222 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Generelly Great reviews!
    But one thing, every model cant be your favorite, please say what you really think because your reviews is great but find a new word for when you like stuff lol 😂
    Cant wait to see more tiers and ideas from you 😊

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lmao, touché! I think I even admitted in the video I thought every unit was my favorite but yes Id agree I overuse it... But I love them all it's hard!!
      Legit tyvm for the feedback, I'll try to be more cognizant going forward 😜

  • @ViolosD2I
    @ViolosD2I หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best thing about Nurglings is that you can paint them clean pink and blue to easily hide them in your Mono-Tzeentch list. :D

    • @ViolosD2I
      @ViolosD2I หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or maybe blue-green, and call them "Green Horrors". :)

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao, that'd be such a fun thing to see on the table too 😜
      You know though, now you're a *really* making me want our next Tzeentch model kit to be Green Horrors. Make them big MELEE brutes that split into smaller & smaller ones as time goes on.. Damn now I need to call up GW lol

    • @ViolosD2I
      @ViolosD2I หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon Actually, inspired by this very video, I spent today successfully hunting for a GUO proxy (for $30 instead of $150) that fits well with Tzeentch colors to be exactly that big melee brute, and planning his color scheme.
      He'll be one big beautiful blue-turquoise blob... with no ability to split into a unit of Pink Horrors when destroyed, though he sure looks like he would! :D

  • @arnaud2987
    @arnaud2987 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You forget the tree !! (But we all know where it belong)

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao, I considered it but... Yeah, no 😜

  • @rickbyrne3967
    @rickbyrne3967 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video as always! Do you think it is a Risk to get into Daemons considering the rumor about GW absorbing their codex into their God aligned chaos armies like death Guard etc.?

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've heard that rumor too but tbh I don't buy it. There'd be sooooo much backlash & I bet Daemons have a pretty good profit ratio from all the GDs they sell. They're also supported in AoS so maybe I could see them one day splitting them into their own respective gods but I don't really see them getting rolled into the other armies. Even if they did it'd prolly be like 2+ years away imho

  • @wodampaints906
    @wodampaints906 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unfortunatley, you can't use your GD as droppod for a Soulgrinder when using his Base which is about 6.3". In my community he's usually played with his base.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh that sucks man! We're super "anti base" out where I'm at (WTC ruled it that way too luckily, so most tournaments are the same for me)
      I will say, worst case scenario you just DS 6.4" away so you still get a 6" charge at the end of the day 😎

  • @MsTrollzor
    @MsTrollzor 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Idk if anyone's said this but the soul grinder does have a base and it's way bigger then a Guos base so his actual in terrain layouts I've played impossible to move without just up downing him. His a couple mm short of completely covering an objective marker which is funny if you just keep him back field.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Oh god yeah that base is complete BS hah. Luckily though, the instruction booklet for the Soul Grinder says to only base the model for AoS / Fantasy but not to use one for 40k - so feel free to rip that bad boy off if you'd like 😜

    • @MsTrollzor
      @MsTrollzor 46 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      🤯🙏🏻 bless also you didn't review the tree ? I play pure nurgle daemons so I'm sad not to see it here since I've got three 😅

  • @lordinquisitor838
    @lordinquisitor838 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beasts are cool but their completely awful damage output makes their regen not worth worrying about

  • @thomasserratore7895
    @thomasserratore7895 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! Im still building my first chaos space marine army and have 100 points left over, would you say 2 units of nurglings are still a great option? Or maybe a 3rd rubric marine squad Or 4th legionaries squad! Thank you

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nurglings all day ery day! :P They really are that good imo

  • @tadeusznelson
    @tadeusznelson หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the GUO isn’t the bile blade better than the flail? I always thought if GUO is in 6” range you would want to be tying the enemy up in melee with him as they just won’t be able to kill him, and the. The flail is useless as it’s not pistol right?

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well don't forget he's a Monster so he can still shoot in melee, just at -1tH. I think if you bring Rotigus the blade is worth considering but otherwise I prefer the d6+1 especially because I hit a unit outside of combat or the sort!

    • @tadeusznelson
      @tadeusznelson หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon omg I completely forgot about the monster being able to hit in combat! Thanks!!!!

  • @Fyrlance
    @Fyrlance หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where do you find tournament lists?

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mainly I use 40kstats, then just goto their Faction pages

  • @walterdimmick653
    @walterdimmick653 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Epidemius is not in AoS 4. Speculating he will get dropped from Nurgle overall or hopefully get a new model when AoS faction pack is replaced by army book. I like his model but it is the old metal one, but he could use a refresh.

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah they took him off their website a good while back, that's almost always a bad sign. Spoilpox Scrivener looks to be missing too though he *might* stick around

  • @Baconlazer
    @Baconlazer หลายเดือนก่อน

    My real concern for Soul Grinders is the pivot rule, without a round base ( that was the norm for Leviathan WTC ruling ) from the looks of it SG must pay the pivot tax so he loses in movement and charges.

    • @rubenschuurman1970
      @rubenschuurman1970 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Before pariah nexus you were losing waaay more then 2" if you wanted to slightly turn a soulgrinder, they deffinitly didnt become worse because of the pivot rule

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly what Ruben's saying. It used to be much worse, now you pay at most 2" to pivot. Sure that knocks them down to 6" but it's better than the alternative. What I'd also say though is you either Deepstrike them & don't really sweat it as much or you rely on them more for their range / resilience & just threaten to charge anything nearby
      Still they can indeed be a pain to get around the table but luckily we're Daemons so we have options 😎

    • @ViolosD2I
      @ViolosD2I หลายเดือนก่อน

      So in current WTC you are not allowed to, or don't have to, put them on their huge 160 base?

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope! I believe it's in their army specific FAQ's. Tbh I don't know of a single tournament, WTC or not, that requires them. Heck none of the kits I bought even came with the bases!

  • @PirateJamm
    @PirateJamm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m a new subscriber do you post army lists?
    I need help building a 500 point list 🤓

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At 500pt tbh you usually just bring whatever you own it whatever looks best :P That said I'd prolly go along the lines of...
      Poxbringer
      Nurglings
      Plaguebearers
      Plague Drones
      Plague Drones
      Beast of Nurgle
      Technically you could bring a GUO instead but he'd be incredibly unfair at 500pt lol

    • @PirateJamm
      @PirateJamm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fatarchon this is true! I’m starting this army anew so I’ll start at 500 then 1000
      Thank you for the vids and help

  • @MrTrenttness
    @MrTrenttness 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🔥🎸🔥

  • @ashhammond5652
    @ashhammond5652 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about bloatdrones

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At only 90pts I think they're pretty good! DG do have an abundance of decent scoring options but getting the 10" move on a single model with an efficient wounds-to-points is worth it for a lot of lists I'd say

    • @ashhammond5652
      @ashhammond5652 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon what about plague drones for daemons

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ashhammond5652 08:36 😜

    • @ashhammond5652
      @ashhammond5652 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fatarchon thanks pal, missed that 😂 can you use pusgoyle blightlords?

    • @fatarchon
      @fatarchon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ashhammond5652 pusgoyle's are *slightly* larger but not by much + they both use the same base size, so yeah you'd be fine to run them as Plague Drones. I know some people use them as Daemon Princes too!