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I appreciate the early adopters. They subsidize the R&D costs by paying the higher prices and essentially troubleshooting the new hardware. Then the price goes down and stability goes up which is good for everyone else that waited.
Pioneers in the Digital Oregon Trail.
Some may reach their destination.
Some may die of Digital Dysentery.
But heroes, all of them.
@@First-Name_Last-Name 🤣 All were great adventurers...until they took that arrow to the knee.
It's cool if you're rich, but I won't make the same mistake again of spending a small furtone for new tech and then being stuck on a buggy platform for years. Never again *cough* X99 *cough*
I adopted Intel 12th gen and DDR5 when it first came out :) A BIOS update helped the issues I had.
@Luke Van den Akker We love you!
Right now I'm definitely more likely to upgrade my 3700x to a 5900x than to completely build a new computer as I would have to if I waited for their next series. It just makes more financial sense for me, plus I'd rather wait until they've refined the new one before I adopt it.
Hold of until everyone panic sells to move to AM5. Cheap second hand market
think I will keep my 3700x for a little longer
It might be worth giving the 5800x3D a look in your case, the review embargo is out today and it looks pretty good from the couple I've glanced at
I am in the same boat, my 3700X is still fine but now the 5900X is going on sale a lot It may be my last AM4 CPU.
Ya the 5900X should be good for about 5 years of AAA gaming at least and you can always get the 5950X and get another year or two like me
I built my AM5 setup last week. It's the first PC I've ever built and replaced my Dell with a 6th-gen Core i7. I waited until the prices were cut on a lot of components and am running a used gpu. It's working pretty well.
I appreciate you in testing am5 out, it's new and shaking in my eyes. I do want to upgrade past am4 at some point but I want to wait until its stable. I'm fine with my 5800x3d and 6750xt for now but I know it wont cut it in the next two years
i just bought a am5 cpu and mobo. should i download chipsets and bios first before upgrading? or it is not necessary and out of the box installation is safe and recommended?
I've been putting off upgrading with the excuse of "Oh, I'll do it when my rig is 10 years old". My 3770k has served me well but I think I should have done more incremental improvements. Sure, my 770 died but EVGA upgraded me to a 970 when I was just outside of the warranty period. I've added another 8GB of RAM and several drives as well. I've been waiting for AM5 and DDR5 and I'm going to stick to my guns and upgrade once AM5 and the next round of cards drop.
I've got a 4790k myself that I'd love to upgrade. Gonna wait and see what AM5 brings then pull the trigger then (either intel or AMD depending).
12 years of gravy. Same boat.
I went from i7 920 to 3900x. And without corona, I would have waited for AM5. Should have upgraded earlier, but at first, I wanted to double my core count on a consumer platform as a minimum upgrade. Then AVX-512 with 10nm was just around the corner and I could use classroom computers instead of a home computer. It's absolutely insane how much faster the computer is at everything. The most important single-threaded task was triple the speed. (Code compilation is a single-threaded task if code modification affects only a single file.) (12 cores was that I wanted to replace playing with AVX-512 to playing with making multithreading more scalable)
4 core 8 threads is still fine but definitely old at this point.
only a 3770k? Q9550 here
I'm still dealing with gen 1 Threadripper issues, my next upgrade will probably be a generation old rather than getting bleeding edge just because of how over I am of these sorts of random stability issues.
I'm still being haunted by x570 USB dropouts
Can you give an example of your issues? Or point me to where you’ve discussed your issues before?
@Surly Sam Only issues I've had with AMD was the lack of software which Nvidia had and an odd issue where some media + game = a stuttering system, but then again, that's an ASUS' AMD driver (on a laptop).
To be fair however, how much of AMD's buyers own a threadripper compared to a 1600?
@@Vernas_R I do
I think second generation AM5 will be the most enticing release. If launched on a normal time scale, it should land in the beginning of true maturity for DDR5, PCIe 5.0 and ATX 3.0, so the incentive to build a brand new rig will get boosted heavily by all the new compatibility specs.
I agree. I dont think zen 4 will offer most people anything but high prices for something that vs intel is only better for gaming at most( funny how that flipped on its head. Chances are it still will only really be competive with raptor lake in terms of how much it wins in gaming vs dominating, and i dont see AMD lowering prices at all especially with moving to DDR5 and pcie 5.0. Theyre refusing the up the core counts so that says everything. That said core counts are said to go up with zen 5 in leaks and i think theres a chance they go to big.little core design on that one too, and big little+3D vcache sounds like it could be insane as hell. The way i see it is intel and amd(so long as neither falls into stagnation which intel was doing and imo AMD is currently doing) are just gonna be trading gens where one is the go to followed by the other being the go to. I think Zen 5 will be it
The core counts will also most likely double. It also seems like a massive architectural improvement. Time will tell
@@antiwokehuman There will be a steep increase in price on a tier to tier basis, that much has already breen forecast by Su and motherboard makers will want more ofor hanging on to AM4 for so long. AM5 will not come cheap.
@@clansome i was talking about zen5
Its like Jay got sponsored by Intel to shit on AM5
Dude, I recently flashed my B450 motherboard and replaced my Ryzen 1600 CPU with a 5800X. Being able to upgrade my CPU like this without having to buy an entirely new system is just fantastic.
I’m sure they will keep the am5 socket for some time. Am4 is going to die.
@@chieppachat9381 new components don't make existing components any slower
@@realtissaye Actually updating bios on mobo from many manufacturers for the Ryzen 5XXX series caused performance drop on 2XXX series.
In my case, Am a early adopted on AM4 with 1600 too because AMD promise that all motherboard will be long support. Turn out my expensive Asrock x370 didn't have a driver support for 5000 series. This make me still mad at AMD, will never be early adopter again.
That's exactly why I'm switching to team red instead of getting the 13700k which has zero upgrade path... it's pretty awesome
Have AMD given any commitments on longevity for the AM5 platform. That was a big selling point for me when AM4 first came out and it kept me committed to the platform from Ryzen 1000 up to Ryzen 5000.
I believe they said they've committed to 5 years, so similar to AM4
I know this is a late response, but at least 2025 is what they’re advertising now.
So who knows. That’s about as long as intel seems to support a platform. 3-4 years per socket.
@@andyruse4670 3 years is bit short but 4 years would be great. I am sure I am not the only one who likes to do a major upgrade every 4 to five years but still enjoys being able to make incremental upgrades in between times.
@@McobraR No AM5 is only 3y support
@@xythiera7255 i commented that a month ago BEFORE their latest conference, and they did say their plan was to support AM5 for 5 years. They have now backtracked to say they will support it through 2025.
i'll always get the last stable gen for discount used, when everyone runs for the newest not stable stuff... works great since decades and never missed out any performance i needed. It's all about timing and beeing realistic to yourself :D
Same. Its really the best bang for the buck. And GPU often two generations back... I'll be rocking the RX 580 8GB for a bit longer for sure.
i agree, it's SO easy to look at graphs of what's the best currently... but realistically, it's absolute overkill. i recently got ahold of a 2070super, and even though its an older card, its still a bit much for my usage atm.
i'm sure using top spec hardware is nice, but for me it'd be a waste of money.
Still will be sticking with AM4 for a while, but I'm looking forward to seeing what AM5 brings to the table.
doing the same. i plan to upgrade my 2700X to a 5700X when there is support on my B450
I didn’t build my first couple of DDR3 PCs until DDR4 had already been on the marker for a couple of years.
@@mrn234 There probably is, my b450 has it for over a year
Same here. Next upgrade will _hopefully_ be an RTX 3080 (once prices come back down some more), and probably some time after that one of the new Ryzen X3D CPUs.
Using a i7 9700K and still gonna wait a bit. Then go AM5.
Yeah... My AM4 has served me well for these 5 years, and I see no immediate need to upgrade to AM5 anytime soon. Planning to get 5800X3D for the last hurrah about next year, but will wait before adopting AM5. But that also depends on what AM5 bring into the table. If they can do 5 yrs of AM5 like AM4 did, I am sold.
Arent there also rumors of aa 5900x3d?
I built my Ryzen 1700 PC 5 months after release, so pretty much a beta tester and thank GOD didnt have any trouble. I would build another pc but not AM4, because thats hardly an upgrade.
Same here. Its not worth it to change this year, maybe the next the prices are significantly low.
AM5 has only 3y support . So you basicly wait for AM6 then
@@xythiera7255 well, they promised the same for AM4. And look, AM4 has been 5 years long, and is still here for another year or two.
I really want to get into AM5 because of the future of the platform. I've had my current computer for like 6-7 years but its Intel. The problem is that I can't even milk a few more years out of it by buying even an outdated processor that gives better performance than what I have because of lack of platform compatibility. I'm willing to get into a 2nd Gen (or even late 1st gen) AM5 simply for the promise of being able to wait another 4 years and buy and end of life processor upgrade just to milk a bit more life out of a build before being forced to reinvest a ton more money into a new build. For me, its a short term investment to allow long term upgrades with greater cost control on my part.
@D this guy is on some solid stuff here. I built a 5600x + rtx 3050 machine for each of my friends within the last month and I know for sure it'll serve them well over time. At the time of this comment, so basically early june 2022, the entire build cost us somewhere around $1000 (might be a bit off because I'm approximating the conversion to USD but it's in the general ballpark). The build includes:
- Asus Tuf Gaming B550 mobo
- ryzen 5600x cpu
- gigabyte rtx 3050 gpu
- 2x8gb 3600 MHz corsair vengeance ram
- random aerocool case with a 200mm front fan, can't remember the name
- random cpu cooler, even though the stock amd one is usually enough
- samsung 980 pro 1tb m.2 ssd
Overall, it's a pretty decent build both for gaming and for a workstation. If you want to get a pc for a couple of years while this whole AM5 thing stabilizes, a configuration similar to this one is going to serve you mighty fine.
Good plan! I did the opposite.. i waited til end of life for am4 and went for a full top spec build for the cheapest price i could imagine. Either way, time usually improved accessibility. Outside of a shortage
@@djlytic4603It's often a good practice to wait for a release - then buy the previous generation. Both retailers and ebay will drop prices as they unload to get the new one.
It's like buying a used luxury car, you get way more car than you otherwise could have and for way less money than the new gen.
I like adopting new platforms in the second half of their life. I switched to AM4 from AM3 in early 2020, I wanted to make sure the platform was stable but also had upgrade potential. The Goldilocks rule seems to apply in this case.
You are possibly the most patient person on the internet if you waited that long.😄
@@brettanderson6743 life hack: make sure to not have money until you reach the point you want to buy it
@@brettanderson6743 i just went from an 8320 to a r5 5600x last week sooooo yeah...
@@ogromeoscaletta1179 I jumped on R5 1600X when it came out. Went from the Phenom X2 965 B.E. i think the difference was around 9 years between them. And I mainly did that because the 965 would not run FarCry5. Literally it wouldn't even start, didn't have the microcode for the game or w/e its called.
@@brettanderson6743 I did the same from 2600 straight to 5800x and B550. Financially you're breaking the bank by going step by step and always depends on your needs.
You are totally right on what you mentioned in the video. However I would like to add that on Zen1 the motherboard vendors did not believe in AMD and therefor did not put much engineering into the 300 series motherboards, except for some iirc like the Asroc taichi model.
It wasn't until the 400 motherboard series the memory topology became better and that they used more PCB layers and better engineering. So it was both that the CPU was new and the motherboard vendors not caring enough.
If you look at the Ryzen 1000 series CPU on the 400 series motherboard then you will see approximately how I would have been if the motherboard vendors believed more in AMD.
AMD has more resources today and the motherboard vendors do believe in AMD, so the AM5 introduction will probably be much better than AM4 introduction.
However as you said the current mature AM4 will probably be more stable than AM5 introduction. Although I am guessing that the AM5 intro will be better than Intels Alder lake because AMD is adding less new things to their new platform than what Intel did, as I said just a guess.
Totally agree with all you said. I'd add that since DDR5 has been out for a while now, AMD has had a lot of time to work with what's already out there as opposed to working with engineering samples like Intel did. Also Jay made it sound like Zen 4 was a brand new from scratch architecture like FX to Zen when it's just an evolution of Zen, I really don't think the socket change will matter. That being said, wait at least 3 months to jump in or 6.
Completely agree. AM5 will probably be alot smoother than when Ryzen initially launched. Big vendors such as Asus, Gigabyte and MSI will make top tier motherboards with frequent BIOS updates to remove problems at launch real quick.
@@agnarjo absolutely true ..I got me a b350 and a 1600x at launch ..it definitely felt more like AMD wants to push but MSI was like .."Naaa mate"
Yes sadly all x370 boards was UNDERhelming even the taichi and the crosshair, no matter their better VRMs still fasr from what the x570 boards are.... Still i did buy high end Gigabyte Aorus x370 board with 6+4 pchase VRM, sure it is weak, but at least is true 6 pchase for the vCore and the board works great with 3700x now, and will prob work great with the next CPU i will buy (not sure what it will be like 5700x, 5800x, 5800x3D or the 5900x...) .. Back in 2017 and x370 after the bad Bulldozer FX processors the AIBs did think the RyZEN will be another disappointment, so the high end AM4 boards was where the Intel 1151 mid range boards did sit on...
Still even like that i did not have a single problem with my original Ryzen 1700 or now with this Ryzen 3700x, or memory problems, never had any BIOS problems (aside from when i did install latest bios and i was still with ryzen 1700 caused some times the system not to be able to post, fixed it with 3700x ofc), and i did buy my AM4 parts in june 2017, i waited couple of months to see how things will be going, cant say i was pissed or mad about the new platform and early adoption problems. Only problem i have even today is the Gigabyte BIOS is a bit buggy, but it works. RAM did also work great since day one, and today even more.. Guess most people did pick boards and memory that dont liek eatch other, and that caused them to have tons of problems and head bangs, this is why i use G. Skill since forever they are just working on whatever board you trow them at, not like garbage Corsair memory, Adata, Crucial and others.. Kingston i believe for the most part is also mostly fine...
Asrock had, at least for their 'Pro4' Series, always been a decentish fallback through all generations of AM4.
MSI's awesome 400 Series boards felt more like 'Someone accidentally fed the PCB machine with the new stuff intended for the Intel production lines, instead of the scrap that fell off the table and had been stepped on for 5 times'.
Your advice is always insightful. Thank you! To answer your question, I'm somewhere south of a bleeding-edge tech guy. I prefer the sweet spot. After a lifetime on Intel, I built my first-ever AMD system earlier this year (AM4) - solid state, no spinning disks - so quiet - so powerful - so awesome!
I really don't understand why you guys keep comparing it to the 5800x. Literally costs more than the 5900x which is on sale right now, or retails for just 50 bucks more USD, and where most of us who'd be thinking of buying this thing already are on AM4 and so our end stage CPU choices are going to be the 5800X3D, 5950x, or 5900x. Those are the only three CPUs I really care about being lined up in different tasks, which obviously the 5950x crushes it (albeit more costly) and to where our real gaming potential is going to be what that can achieve on a usually mid to higher end board (because if you're thinking of this good chance you have at least a decent b450 if not high end b550 or x570) using an all core "overclock" with sustained turbos.
Like the only thing I actually care about is 5900x, 5950x, or 5800x3d. I have no clue why every reviewer keeps doing this because it's just not helpful. A lot of us probably are also on 1440p or 4k. I doubt anyone at all is thinking about the 5800x at this point, or where more or less each of these CPUs is in range of each other except 5950x but even that's only a hundred bucks higher depending on sale (identical gaming performance but the PBO/Ryzen Master tweaking allegedly offers slightly higher turbo clock + your final AM4 CPU has 4 more cores for the next 4-8 years of using this PC). I'm not thinking about switching to Alder Lake and I'd never consider the 5800x or 5700x upgrading from my 3700x, which likewise the 3600/3600x, 3700x, and 2700x users are probably also looking at how it all compares.
I'm hoping Jay at least does this because come to think of it I think he's the most down to earth guy with the most common sense out of all them, and not just some super autist like the rest of us or some marketing businessman making his bread showing off the latest and greatest. Mainly I feel like Jay is the one person who's most able to connect with the brand new PC builder and casual gamer seeing about getting into watercooling or building his first PC and working on a budget, and trust Jay's value judgments about buys the most in the same way I trust GN to give the best scientific tier results. So I think out of all the main reviewers I'd probably trust what Jay has to say the most about what to get on the final form of your AM4 and if you want to morph into a 5950x overclocked, an OC'd 5900x, or a 5800X3D, which at $380 I'm so tempted to just buy a 5900x right this very minute.
I'm solely not because the much pricier X3D could still potentially be the better gaming option, whereas the 5950x is definitely the better production option, where the 5900x kinda feels like the middleground [leaves all his stats at 5] tier of the 3, being good at both but best at neither, and hoping to last many years to come, I'm hesitant to pick one that's not the best of the best at at least something, be it better gaming or 2 years from now working on a project. The real issue is "overclocking" i.e. sustained turbo boosts on either other chip, versus the locked down and overheating nature of the vcache that can only theoretically so far beat the 30% smaller cache 5950x or 5900x.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 this guy didn’t say anything about that processor. Also, not every other dude is an “autist” you are right in some of your points but why did you reply to this poor soul?
I'll consider an upgrade, to the AM5 platform, after at least a year from launch. I did this with AM4. Also did it with Windows 10, which I'm still on.
Windows 10 is good shit.
Screw 11 till 2024.
@@israellewis5484 true, always skip an window upgrade is the way
Given AMD’s track record with New chipsets and socket releases it’s 50/50 honestly. I appreciate that they’ve let AM4 continue for this long because it’s aged like fine wine. The fact that they’ve also made newer cpus compatible with older gen AM4 motherboards was probably a good move hopefully they keep AM5 for just as long.
About 6 months ago, I decided that I really wanted to build a new PC this year to replace my i5 2500k based system that I build in 2011.
I wanted to wait for the next generation of Ryzen, but I didn't want to be part of the 1st generation issues, so I decided to build with AM4 now.
I was lucky in that I already had a Ryzen 5 2400g and a RX 5700 XT lying around, so I decided to put together a decent PC using the parts that I had as a base.
I had to buy a new MOBO and some RAM, then I decided to treat myself to a new M.2 SSD (1TB Samsung 980 - I should have gone with the 970 evo).
This was a huge upgrade, but pretty soon the 2400g was really holding me back especially when I decided to re-encode my entire Plex collection as h.265 to save space.
So I ended up replacing the 2400g with a 5900X... OMG, this thing is a beast.
My brothers b-day was just around the corner, and he had mentioned that he wanted to get a new PC.
I had that 2400g and a Radeon RX 590 lying around, so I just bought another AM4 mobo, some DDR4 ram, a M.2 SSD (1TB Samsung 970 evo), Corsair 4000D airflow, and built him a pretty decent PC.
Reading this after writing it, I can see that I'm pretty impulsive :(
Ohh well, it's fun building.
I built my coworker a new PC recently with a 5800x3D and a 3080ti. Despite being advised against building new systems with AM4, she's a perfect example of a user who wants the best but isn't scratching after that extra 5-10% all the time. This is her 3rd new PC in 12 years, and I expect it to last until AM5 is considerably matured.
I'm riding my 5950X for about 5 years. I have a great build with a 3080 Ti and 32GB of 3600mhz C14 RAM. I think I'm set for 4-5 years without having to adjust settings.
I had a similar strategy about 20 years ago, I bought a high-end Pentium 4 CPU and a Radeon 9800 Pro (the best gaming card of the time) and I was pretty much bomb-proof for the next four years after that.
What brand is the memory? Thanks.
Same boat. My brother too.
@@markh351 You were very lucky that your 9800 PRO lasted for that long. They were known to die a very quick and sudden death from overheating (because of the GPU shim that was taller than the height of the actual die). Being a retro enthusiast, I still have 3 x ATI Radeon 9800PRO and two of them are sealed. 😀
@@ruxandy Oh wow, I was not aware of that issue with the 9800 Pro! I did well with it. Pretty cool that you have some sealed cards in your possession! I remember mine cost $700 Canadian plus tax when it was new. Wish you could get a top tier card for the same now haha. Today I run a 1070 Ti.
Staying with AM4 for the time being. I will max this platform out and wait likely till year 2 or 3 before moving. I am in FAR more need of a new GPU so that will be where my largest investment will go once I can get one for the price I am willing to pay.
Agreed on this. B450, 3600, 32g3200, 580 all still crankin.
will l8test move when ue 5 aka half? photo realism becomes anantiqwitty D
still ön r5.1 xP
@@NYCamper62 Nice :) just buy some better GPU when you can and its all good.
I have: Ryzen 2600, b450, 16gb ram, rtx 3060 and im on 1080p, at least 2-3 years i wont touch it maybe cpu upgrade to 5600.
@@aligatortatotatotaovic1890 I even only have a RX 570 and it's still ok. The only think I would upgrade in the next years would be 2600 -> 5600 and maybe the GPU when they are cheaper. It's always wise to not be a first adopter but to be on a platform that is a bit older. Don't forget, the Games that are written that they wouldn't run on an AM4 CPU anymore but need the speed of an AM5 will most likely only come out in 2025 or later! Game development takes years, the games that come out now have been programmed with an 8th Gen Intel or Zen 1 in mind ;)
@@acmenipponair I agree on everything you said.
I was on gtx 1070 but then i decided to give it to my brother for Xbox S (nice little thing), after that i had rx570 4gb (backup card) and then I bought rtx 3060. xD
Not a small amount of money for rtx3060, it was double the MSRP but honestly i dont care. :)
For 1080p rtx 3060 with 12gb vram will be enough for 2-3 years after that i will see probably new monitor 1440p or maybe 4K with stronger GPU but AM5 will wait maybe even more than 2-3 years as far as im concerned.
I'm going for AM5, i'm still on AM3+ from 2012 with a Phenom II X6, finally financially able to upgrade so i'm going for the AM5 + DDR5 upgrade later this year.
However, I will take the advice on this video and wait a few months for issues to be ironed out, and the next manufacturing cycle of hardware to refine the platform before I upgrade.
Very insightful video, thank you.
fascinating. I am also on a Phenom II X6 (1100T) 🙈
I was about to upgrade right before the price explosion started, so I waited.... my parents being on an even older intel CPU, I'm planning on two AM5 builds, one low to mid range APU, and a beast aswell. Probably starting with the midrange one since my Radeon 6000 series (HD) is slowly dying..
@@bernds6587 My build was also with a radeon 6000, lol. My 6970 unfortunately only lasted till 2016 with a flashed bios and overclocking on a shitty Club3D card, that's what I got for buying off-brand. I then had to buy a 2nd hand 7850 which died after 6 months because the previous owner was a scammer, so i've been using a friends GTX560Ti since.
I recently upgraded to an Asus RX6600 but had to RMA the card due to a manufacturing fault, and since the seller is out of stock I am forced to upgrade to the RX6600 XT version because I refuse to get the MSI 6600 cards.
why ignore intel and plan on building an AMD platform that isn't even out yet?
If you've waited this long then just wait to see what its actually like, it could be shocking value.
China Thanks you!
@@oxfordsparky Intel asks you to pay almost double on the CPU itself to match the performance, also my budget for pc parts will be better later this year.
At the moment, the answer is "Definately wait" for me. There is more than enough in the AM4 range that will do whatever anyone needs it to and probably more depending on the CPU. Much like the stuff Mercedes ram into their new cars, whatever comes at an uber premium price tag right now will not only be affordable but standard in a few years.
Thank you for this well done informative video. I just did a Long term rebuild with high end AM4 options. I will wait for AM5 to get some maturity under its belt before I switch to it. I had been buying my High end parts for nearly a year - as I could afford to. If AM5 matures on the quicker side and prices aren't too out there maybe I will make the switch to AM5 sooner then I am currently planning on.
Recently built my first PC (thanks for the 'what to do after building' video, helped a lot), 2 things stopping me from going/waiting for AM5 are price, I have limited budget and don't mind mid range, and stability, cause I'm a newb and troubleshooting something I've never encountered before is probably gonna take me a long time to find an answer for, which I don't have a lot of or want to deal with
AM4 is end of life, but to me, that's if I went with the most high end, like X570 and a 5950X, which I don't really need right now, but if I ever do, at least I could try to find the CPU and put it in the B550 I chose (thankfully BIOS flashback worked fine with me, I had my fingers crossed almost the whole 10 minutes of watching the blinking light to stop)
I would probably upgrade again when (just like what Jay said in another video) when what I have now is no longer able to do what I need and want to do with it (Maybe in 5 to 7 years for a full system rebuild)
simple solution to most of this video
just wait a month or 2 for the new platform to become more stable before adopting so you don't have to update bios as much and deal with issues on launch... then you can see if it's worth it based on your own research... common sense.
literally lol
Yeah, he really kind of went on and on instead of just giving the actual good advice.
@@malphadour that's a typical "jay talking head video" for you. just rants for a while about stuff we usually already know
Or you know, buy now and have a solid stable platform that you can run for years to come.
But everyone seems so obsessed with calling AM4 "DEAD". End of line sure, but dead? NO.
@@gambino883 That's what they mean by dead. As in it's no longer going to be supported for future processors. I don't think anyone calling it dead means it's actually dead lol. Obviously it's still going to be live and well for years to come with plenty of support.
I’m personally holding out for the revised AM5 … some maturity of the build, bios updates to be rolled out, DDR5 speeds & timings to be improved, costs to reduce / stabilise etc before upgrading my AM4 platform. I did this with Ryzen, bypassing Ryzen 1st Gen and going to 2nd Gen.
bought the latest old gen from intel (11th gen) solely for this new e core design that was coming out. What do you know some games work some dont. New cpus have built in drm so your buying games just to play them muted, the e-core switch with the prime cores that cause performance issue. Glad I didnt bother going for this new 12th gen tech. I will gladly buy an amd cpu later down the road because they dont have this garbage drm feature. As for the 11th gen chip I've had zero issues other than playing with undervolt and overclock to see its limits.
I am glad I have found you Jay, I am currently building for my first computer and your knowledge is helping me a lot since I just want a simple build for work and school stuff.
I want the upgradability of AM5, but after watching this video, I think I’ll wait a few more months after that release so if they need, they will release newer revisions to the motherboard, as well as a slightly lower end CPU and upgrade to a higher end second gen later.
I bought a Ryzen 1600X a few months after launch and it was a fun experience. First PC I've ever built myself, although I'd helped a roommate build one a few years before. After dealing with locked down OEM Intel systems it was night and day, with fan curves, overclocking capabilities, it was a big bundle of "Yes, you can do that." Single-threaded performance was higher than anything I'd had before, so even though Intel was *technically* faster on that count I was thrilled.
I did have some weird audio issues until I upgraded the bios a year or two after, it would sometimes buzz in weird ways but swapping front/rear audio generally fixed it. I was just happy to have a powerful computer, while supporting AMD's serious comeback and kicking Intel's lazy (and monopolistic) rear.
I thought I'd upgrade it, but I've never gotten around to it. I'm still using a decade-old GPU on it because I just haven't been able to justify getting a new one when I really don't play demanding games. These days I'd probably go with a -G AMD APU and call it a day in a much smaller box. Upgradability hasn't been as big of a deal for me since interests have shifted and I'm no longer in school. Your mileage will vary.
I'm with you. I think there being a 2 year gap between releases should help things be more stable.
I'll wait for reviews, see how stable things are. If there are a ton of issues or the performance is disappointing I'll go with Intel Raptor Lake. No way I would waste money on AM4.
That's just bad advice. It's dead.
now that am5 is coming out, this is actually the best time to make the best budget, starter, medium, and top tier am4 PC system parts or rig
[not in a super expensive LTT syle tho], maybe a motherboard tier list for best features to money ratio or something am4 related...
@Jim McIntosh where? Edit: Link??
@Jim McIntosh thanks 👍
Yeah, last time I built a system, AMD had nothing remotely competitive on the market for a 10400,11400 competitor, was considering going 12th gen but the motherboards are seriously expensive, even h610. Then I watched a couple of reviews on the new 5600 (NON X) and at the price of 75% of a 5600x, is damn good value , even the 5800X3d is a good value high end cpu for gaming. So, for a change AMD is actually looking competitive right at the moment.....
@Jim McIntosh Not just UFD Tech, Hardware Unboxed have covered cost per frame in their CPU and GPU reviews.
@@nix123ism AMD have been fairly competitive since Zen 1 mind you in terms of price to performance as Intel was still charging crazy prices for their refreshes. The caveat is that Zen 1 motherboards are pretty subpar compared to Zen 2. Zen 3 motherboards on the other hand are extremely good. A solid B550 motherboard is what most folks will ever need for a long time and you can get that sub £120. Especially if you shop around and do your research.
I am building an am4 system for Christmas not even considering going am5 for years
I have been delaying an upgrade for a long time, especially with supply problems the last few years. I don't mind the bugs in a new system for the promise of getting in earlier on a platform I can expand in a few years. Definitely worth it for me. My Intel system is 9 years old but it never made sense to buy a new cpu because of the socket changes.
When Ryzen was launched, there was actually a bug in windows 10 that caused random blue screens. About 2 months after Ryzen launched, a windows update finally cured the problem
Thanks, Jay, always highly informative. I just completed my first custom PC, mostly for work (CAD/REVIT). Your videos have really helped with my setup.
i appreciate you giving the heads up of what will come with the new models, as i was just about plan for my new am5 build. so i decided to wait with an am4 build. thank you so much man. you saved me major headache LOL
Please take a look at the 5800X3D, especially if you’re still on Zen2
@@jordon2913 I have and not interested in any 5 zen or 5 Intels. However, those are a great choice for budget wise but streaming focused gotta be 7 or 9 zen or Intel kind in my opinion.
@@Timmington14 8 cores is plenty enough, if not then you can even get a 7950x3d that'll do both streaming and gaming. If gaming isn't your main usecase, the regular 7950 would probably be better
Great breakdown of those processes, thanks.
I might wait a couple of years to switch. I'm sure my 3700X will do just fine until then. Even then, I'm sure it would be more of a want than a need.
That's what I'm running too. I was just gonna upgrage to a 5900x in a year or so and stretch am4 as long as i can
@@hehotbros01 been rocking the 5900x for around a year now, and it handles everything effortlessly, u can definitely get multiple more years of solid performance from it
same, i think i'm good with keeping my 3700x until they retire win10. thats also when i'll consider updating to 11
Yep same here but I'm running a i7 11700f similar type of cpu but Intel Version. So I'm fine with it for a few more years. :)
I got a 2700x, think it'll be good until just as long?
I finally upgraded from Intel coffee Lake to AMD Ryzen 5900x last year, I am happy with the set up and don’t have much of a reason to upgrade anytime soon. Maybe in a year or two when the platform is stable and new features like PCIe 5 for next gen usb become standardized.
I would say wait for zen 6
I just built a 5800x build last year as well… but I won’t be upgrading anytime soon… usually 5 year cycles for me so I’ll be looking at AM6 lol
It's getting ridiculous now. I'm chugging away quite happily with my r5 3600 and 1080ti fe at the moment. Upgraded back in 2021 from an old i7 4790k ddr3 system which I built back in 2014. But what a difference.
Did you use TWO hammers to fit an AMD CPU into an Intel mother board?
@@tilapiadave3234 I'll bet he also upgraded the motherboard and RAM ;) I mean, getting an 3600 to be able to run with DDR3 memory would be insane :D
I think on some level everyone thinks they want to be an early adopter because that means you get the new stuff and the perceived bragging rights that come along with it. Me personally I am approaching that stage in life where I want something that just works. I will definitely jump to AM5 but this video (thanks Jay) I think has solidified my plan to wait.
I started to build an ITX setup and I was thinking A LOT about, just changing my motherboard to an ITX AM4 (with no upgrade at all), or go to a total new setup using ITX AM5 + DDR5. I was afraid of stayinbg with AM4 and losing possible upgrades in the future, but you just made me remember when I bought my FX-6300 right in the beggining and had a lot of performance issues.
Better to stay with AM4 for the moment that I'm happy with it and just enjoy my new "portable" PC.
Honestly I think the 5600x will be more than enough for me, its a brilliant cpu
I’m liking ur comment because of the Madrid logo
The 3600 is proving to be more than ample for my needs
Okay, grandma... In a year that processor will be a skidmark to what will be available. However, if it works for you... love it. lick it and save your money.
@@RedRisottoOkay, capitalist. I have a 2600x in my rig with a 1080ti, more than ample to push pretty much everything I want. Some people either don't want/don't have the money to splurge to have the newest and greatest. That's why we have people like you, to make our lives cheaper when you buy it at full price at day 1 and troubleshoot everything for us. When that is done, give us a call 🤙. 🤙
@@RedRisotto What are you talking about? 5600x will be fine for a long time..
If you already have a decent AM4 mobo , there are some good deals on the 5900x and 5950x. Also the 5800x3D being released. You would most probably be better off upgrading to these CPU'S then going for a whole new platform swap.
I agree! Getting a higher-end AM4 chip will last you at least 2years for a fraction of the price and still stay relevant. My CAD rig at work is almost 4years old and was expensive and is still a beast! Yet it's still holding it's own VERY well with some newer rigs in my office. Granted automotive/aerospace CAD work on the professional level is NOT like gaming as the graphics cards are setup totally different where they are not FPS based. I can can load FULL vehicle assemblies where some of these newer rigs still blow-up and I'll "break" these up so other rigs can load them. My home rig is less than 6months old and will outperform my work rig by over HALF but in the CPU category and will NOT do CAD work on the same level at all due the graphics card. My work rig uses a Nvidia Quadro series which like I said is totally different than the Nvidia RTX series. AMD only makes "gaming" cards and you NEVER see any of these used in full-time CAD work - this is NOT to say ADM graphics cards suck it's just they are suited to "gaming" and that's it.
Yup! Eyeing ryzen 7 for upgrade later, when am5 drops
Agreed, I picked up a 5950x at Micro Center on Saturday for $519.99.
@@PStewart28 ;
Question, I do not know much about the 5950X but this CPU requires water-cooling right off the bat yes/no?
@@johnszatkowski6898 On the box it does recommend water cooling
So few home users are even close to maxing out their CPUs as it is that I find the upgrade cycle fascinating. I'm more on the "how good is good enough" outlook. 🤷
Can't wait to see what the next gen performance looks like though.
Based on the longevity AM4 had, I would say YES, it’s going to be worth it. AM4 reached its last possible upgrade with the 5000 series CPUs.
Conversely, it means I can afford to wait for the 8000 series Ryzens and still have a lot of longevity left on the platform, while also not having to deal with gen 1 issues.
My computer is an editing built rig, very interested to see how AM5 does with all things Adobe in conjunction with DDR5. I have a 3900X now, but would gladly go for the 5950X as an upgrade if its not a huge difference, and just wait for a couple generations of the AM5 for a full new build.
If I were to build a new rig now, I'd go with AM5. However, having recently upgraded from 2600 to 5600 I'm not in a hurry.
I guess the divider is whether you expect to upgrade your system or not. If not, an AM4 is probably better bang/buck
You should have went for a 5800x
@@chynagods I totally agree with that and then be ready for a quirky AM5 version one with issues so straight for the 2nd Gen AM5 to avoid all of them :P
My advice for u is to wait like min 2 months or even 3 after AM5 launch to see how everything goes.. I did that when AM4 launched and guess what, i had NO problems with the platform, as i did watch first day reviers and stuff and i did know what to do, and what not to do, and i did pick best parts as memory and mobo, and i had no problems, meanwhile many ppl did cry from the UNstable AM4 platform, problems, memory clock sucks BSODs, post problems and bootLOOPs, i had non of these...
So only way to be early adopter free of problems is to wait 2-3 months and see what happens, also using G. Skill memory is important as they produce the best memory hands down, on ASUS boards before i had problems with Corsair, Crucial BallistiX, Adata, G. Skill never give me any problems, Kingston is also fine memory..
But i believe AM5 will prob have NO problems even from day one, or if they, the fix will be fast like in 1-2 weeks...
@@themobster7284 That's why I said "if I were to build a *new* rig *now*". I waited for 2k series CPUs exactly cause I figured it would be the refined version.
@@chynagods Well, yes. But I had a budget.
Sticking with AM4 for a little while too.
Have two gaming PCs at my house now, mine (R5600X/3060Ti) and my kid's (R3600/2060S).
Slapped together a fresh build - and my first build - with a 5600X just two weeks ago. To my surprise, only connection that wasn't totally correct - was one of the Corsair fans that needed a slight push a week after I set it up as speed wasn't managable suddenly (Thank you Lian Li, for making the Lancool Mesh II - *everything* is accessible).
Glad I found this video. I was one of those early adopters of Ryzen with a 1700x and it started out okay... and then it went into figuring out why half of the things were not working as they should, like my Ram not running at the right speed, and the overclock not sticking, and then the GPU I had at the time also had issues at the same time and the other issues made it incredibly hard to figure that one out.
End of life on a platform is a blessing. It means that if something doesn't work, it is probably a problem with the hardware and not a bios issue. Heck, even though I got a 370 board and it can use a 5000 cpu, I'd have to go through 2 more bios updates with a EC FW tool update between the two.
I thought about waiting, but I got a good deal on a 5950X, so I decided to take it since I already had an X570 mobo. I remember the headaches of first-gen Ryzen and my 1700X was getting a bit old.
I’d say that the amount of years that amd has been on the top of the price to performance metric side of things they would be on a good side with new pin array, chipsets and bracket support. With how good they’re still going with am4 and they zen architecture I think people will be less likely to question them on switching to a brand new system.
AMD has kinda gone the other way on Zen 3, waiting a long time to put out non X SKUs and not releasing a Zen 3 four core. I hope they come back, because they still need to buy a lot more mind share to be a real competitor. Still, if Zen 4 can beat the crap out of Raptor Lake for similar prices, that will be good enough
@@stuartlunsford7556 they didn't release 4 core cpus cause the silicon yields didn't allow it. Why would they take an 8 core piece of silicon and disable half of it just to sell it for less?
Currently on AM4 I have no worries going to AM5 with past socket support that's what draws me in
years they spent on top?
@@nostrum6410 I'm assuming they meant for multi core performance vs price only since that's the only metric AMD did win consistently the last couple of years.
as an early adopter of AM4, my only regret is that my 1700X lost the silicon lottery and could only run at 3.6-3.7GHz all core.
My buddy's base 1700 ran at 3.8GHz all core on the same mobo, ram, and even PSU...and at lower voltages 😢
I was excited about and invested in AM4 when it came out because I believe in it. I still run the same system after 2 CPU upgrades and look forward to its last upgrade to 5900x. That said, I paid premium price for being an early adopter and went though multiple hiccups especially with the MB (ASUS C6H). I am an enthusiast though so I enjoyed and learned a lot in the process. I wouldn’t recommend jumping on a brand new platform to anyone who does not have PC building and tuning as a hobby, you are risking to run into a lot of stability and random issues.
Sounds to me like irrespective of your choice of platform for upgrade, perhaps the best option (perhaps counterintuitively) is to go for the last gen of a line.
Exactly you go for the last gen after the new gen gets in the market, so you build the best of the best of the last gen for the cheap price and you bring the middle finger up and popcorns while the new gen has problems and the older series builds need to upgrade 🥳 i did the same in 2013 and i was fine for 2 generations, hopefully i grab it again this year and dont worry for the next 8 years about spec
Either go last gen, or wait a year for new platform to mature
@@danmoretti8898 i disagree, 2 years it takes only for software to keep up with the hardware. after that. the hardware starts to keep up with the software and you will end up upgrading every 3/4 years. if you can take now the ryzen 7 5800x with 3060ti with the asus rog strix b550F and in 2 years upgrade to 6900xt you will be good for next 6-7 years. with a 240hz monitor. all the setup for around 1200-1300$ will make alot of sense at the end of this year. and comparing to the best build of 2 year ago for 1200$ its a big hit :)
@@Robert-gs6qv more like 1400$
@@Robert-gs6qv That's a great point, thanks for your thoughtful reply
I was an early adopter for X99 and DDR4. Many regrets. Instant headaches. Exactly what you described. I'd urge anyone to let someone else be the beta tester.
Lol now my server is running on x99. Super stable with ecc buffered rams :)
Probably initial bioses were bad. I'm having issues with the annoying BMC/KVM that uses an old java applet...
Absolutely the same here. I'm still on X99 and some major issues never got fixed. I completely lost trust in Intel since then. Now I can't wait for AM5 to launch so AM4 prices are gonna drop further, hopefully. Then I will buy an established X570 motherboard with stable BIOS and 5000 series CPU and never look back. X99 was by far the worst platform I ever had.
@@NinjaContravaniaManX Have a 5000er CPU for almost 1.5 years now and I never had any problems. Safe to say that it is established enough 😄
i bought a X99 Gaming Pro Carbon from MSI for 300€ and had usb driver issues for more than a year until the bios got fixed, will not make that mistake again.. however my 6800k on 4.4ghz can still hold on quiet nicely for being that old
Appreciate the video and the input. I am looking to build my first PC. Waiting for new tech coming out later this year to see prices, but I think AM4 makes most sense for 1st build.
I was going to go 5800x, maybe the 3D would be worth it to keep the system as " future proof" as possible on the CPU side.
Looking like I'm going to have to sit tight and wait for the new platforms/CPU from both sides. I really want to see what 13th gen Intel does compared to 12th, though AMD is enticing me with the possibility of future upgrades.
Also want to see more about DDR5 vs DDR4, are there still stability issues when using more than 2 DDR5 sticks?
Definitely looking to switch to AM5 from 115x (still running a 6700K). I'm probably going to be waiting for a little bit for stability improvements or until the 2nd iteration of Zen4 depending on reviews. It looks like AMD is really focused on high CPU frequency and high RAM frequency, so I'm interested where they're taking it. Intel has the issue with their retention warping CPUs, and the 275 W power consumption is too much when the 5800X3D consumes half the power, but trades with the 12900k in games for almost half the price. I'm a mixed user so I work in CAD, code compiling, and of course, games, but at this point anything is an upgrade.
KS*
I'm in the same boat. Still on a 6700k and will probably wait for the 2nd iteration of Zen4. I'm hoping ddr5 will be at the sweet spot for performance and price by then too.
12900k uses 241w under full load... 12900k can be found for 500$... 5800x 3d is $449 for 8 cores... compared to the 12900k 16... not half the price... yes its half the price of the 12900ks though... which is a pointless buy better to just overclock a 12900k...also remember... its only power hungry under full load... in gaming the 12900k uses literally nothing.
Dude, nothing wrong with the 6700K, I got one to man
I've came from a 9600k to a 12600k and I can assure you the difference in performance was like night and day so if you upgraded now you'll notice a huge difference in performance over your 6700k.
You also don't need a 12900k to get anywhere near the performance of the 5800x3D And you can infact you get a 12600k or 12700k cheaper and overclock them and get the same or better performance with the same or slightly higher wattage (depending which CPU you get) and it'll run cooler for less money. Not only that you'll also have the option to upgrade to 13th gen that'll compete with RYZEN 7000 without buying a new mobo and without shelling out nearly 1k. And if you sold your current set up you'll make the whole upgrade to 12th gen alot cheaper again
Seeing the initial reviews of the 5800x3D, I'm thinking I'll go that route and wait a year or two before upgrading to AM5. Hopefully by that time DDR5 will be more reasonably priced.
Oh wow, you hit the nail on the hammer right there. That's why i listen and watch almost all the videos you created. You have usefull info. I try to explain this to people when they try and go AM5 over 5900x or 7900x. Now the 7900x3d but still im hesitant to purchase it. Im going to wait for gen 2 cpus or even gen 3 to upgrade. Thanks Jay
Dip switches... takin' it back on that one Jay.. Great video!!
Great thoughts, thanks. Using B450 board with R5 5600X and 2080 Super. So pretty happy overall, when I struggle with gaming with nice visuals I will go AM5 DDR5 Nvidia 3000 series. So maybe skip first gen AM5 and wait for second gen. I like to lag slightly behind on PC tech to pay last gen prices without sacrificing performance.
Same here boss, I'm on b450 2700x with SAM on and I run every game highest settings, yes it's not the fastest but I can slap a 3900xt or 5800x3d in my board and be straight for many more years
I agree cause 11th gen intel was bad for the most part but 10th gen got some nice price cuts, got a 10700f for cheap. Wasn't going to wait for 12th gen or zen 4 cause I never buy the latest
@@monke2361 exactly 10th gen was my favorite intel line up, that 10850k 20 threads man is decent!
I've thought about finally upgrading my PC after 10 years (i5-3570k) to an AM4 setup. I guess I'll wait for AM5 then, cause I don't want to buy into a platform/socket that has reached EOL.
I'm in the same boat - 4790k tho
Same here, 4690k
I hate AMD, because of missing iGPU. Intel gen12 processors are far better than stupid AMD. AMD GPU sucks in hardware encoding. Governments should ban sales of CPUs without iGPU.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth brain dead bot🤣🤣
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth who hurt you
I needed this video a lot! I was counting the days for AM5 release and i was so excited for that i forgot i never use a new version of any software before one or two hotfixes. Its better wait the stability!
I mostly fly MS Flight Sim in VR, where we need every fps gain we can get. While I will jump on the new next gen GPUs if I can get one, I decided to upgrade from a 5600X to the new Ryzen 5800X3d now, rather than wait for AM5, as I know it will give me better smoothness (with higher 1% lows) and just work, especially on a sim that is so demanding and crash prone (no pun intended).
As successful long term as the AM4 platform has been, some will forget the thermal, memory, and peripheral problems that arose with it at various times. I think I'll give the new platform a year or so for the inevitable kinks to be worked out.
Im building my first gaming PC next year, plan was originally to go 5800x with a 3070ti but it seems that the i5-12600k is outperforming the 5800x currently, so changed my wishlist back to intel, but keeping an eye on videos like this as AM5 and the new gen GPU's should release before I start my build.
check out the 5800x3d for gaming
In principle, you always can upgrade from 12600k to 13th gen.
You got a point there. I'd like to see AM5 in my system, but waiting some months isn't a bad idea.
Personally planning on sticking with my 3950x but maybe upgrading my rtx 2080 if pricing comes back down to reasonable. I feel like I upgraded at such a good time. I bought my RTX 2080 in dec. of 2018 and used it for a year in my old i7 rig before laying down the big bucks in Dec. of 2019 on the AM4 rig like right before the whole world exploded.
Just got a 5800X a few months ago so I’m good for now. I’ll eventually adopt AM5 unless Intel gives me a justifiable reason to switch
Makes sense. Currently on AM4 with a 3700X... might do the upgrade to the 5800X3D when the AM5 stuff comes up (hopefully dropping in price) and whatever the newer GPUs are at that point =) Then wait a few generations before it becomes like fine wine as AMD tends to do =)
I am 3700X user as well, very happy with the CPU bout would like to see the higher framerates sometimes. This is what I am going to do as well but I will see how Zen 5 performs first and if it really has so many problems that Jay brought up. Maybe it will turn up to be a pretty stable platform with just few minor issues to work out. Then if the price is right I might jump into the newer platform, but definitely not going to do that on Day 0.
Ye for gaming 5800x3d will be a HUGE upgrade
5800X3D will be a unicorn like the R3 3300X. It will come out in small batches as this CPU is made from their Enterprise CPUs. AMD is giving us gamers a taste of of what the big corporations get to play with.
@@meD4ve Yeah true it might be a unicorn like everything has been these last few years... but we may be surprised or AMD might be surprised at the demand and actually start making a good amount of these... especially since these are on the 7nm node still so as they transition to the 5nm... this could still be a good profit maker... those that want the cutting edge will want 5nm chips... but those that just want to upgrade their older AM4 systems would probably want something like this... a good swan song for AM4
I’m late to the party but this video gave me a lot of thought over the months and I’m actually finalising my AM4 build. I bought a 3700x two years ago with 3200mhz ram but what I’m going to be doing is shifting to a 5800x3d OR 5900x with 3600mhz ram and low timing. I’ve replaced a few fans and my 3070 is fine so once I do this upgrade I’ll be set for the years to come.
Just coming back to say your videos have a lasting effect Jay, props to you and the team for your content
Thank you, man, you helped me a lot!
Im planning on getting AM5 but waiting until i see what intel is bringing to the table. I'm looking at purchasing a new CPU in Jan/Feb 2023 after the bugs are sorted out. I currently have a 3800x so im not hurting for an upgrade but do notice it bottlenecking my 3080 ti in some titles.
3700X here with a 3090 FE ; yeah I'm curiously waiting to see what the results look like when AM5 is out. I'm leaning more towards a cheaper 5900X purchase myself.
I went all-in on a 5950X build last month, so I'm going to be on AM4 for a while.
Same here.
I need a new work computer and was considering the new stuff. Since this is a work necessity, I will stay with tried and true. Thanks for the great video and information.
I was thinking about upgrading come the release of AM5, but now I am definitely gonna wait a year before doing so or at least see what the reviews have to say. Plus, we also got the rtx 4000 cards potentially coming out around the same time. And even new power supplies designed specifically for PCIE Gen 5.
To me, buying a new motherboard is always an investment in the future. I won't even consider AM4 if AM5 is out and I'm building new.
This is just good advice and it doesn't apply solely to AM5, but to early adoption in general. As it stands this is timeless advice, great video.
Intel's ARC GPU's are a fine example ... they can't seem to get the drivers to work I'm sure the struggle they are in will be solved but here we are close to 5 months late on release and who knows what troubles are ahead once they do come out! Hopefully the AMD team has done a great job working out the bugs I have faith in them but I'll wait for others to be the R&D before I take the dive!
Im glad you posted this. Ive been trying to decide on upgrading my MATX system and my Mini-Itx system or wait for AM5 because I want a RDNA2 APU.
The Mini-ITX only needs a gpu, the matx I want a cpu upgrade and a gpu. I was undecided on upgrading or waiting for AM5. You make a good argument against adopting am5 early. I've worked in or managed a computer store for about eight years in my past. Ive flashed a bios before. Bricked one too!
I was planning on upgrading this year but we're so far into this gen of GPU's that I'm at least waiting for the next gen.. and at that point may as well wait for 2nd gen CPU's. 2600X and 1070TI will have to hold on for another year or two :D
I will soon build a new gaming rig and I think I'm going with AM4 when AM5 comes out and, hopefully, AM4 prices dropping further. Not yet convinced on the new Intel CPU's with their E-cores causing issues in games and people recommending to turn them off, as well as the bent socket issue.
Prices of the AM4 platform should drop BIG time after AM5 launch.. Meaning i can buy cheap and nice new ZEN III, as i also have 3700x it works great, but want ofc more ipc and clock speed... But not sure wut CPU to pick as 5900x is nice and all, but does not have 3D cache, while on other hand 5700x is really cheap, so there is alot to choose from.....
I also wanted to build a new gaming rig, and this video has convinced me to wait for second-gen AM5.
@@themobster7284 Same. 3D cache on the one hand, no overclocking on the other. Tough choice.
@@NinjaContravaniaManX Well no one can be sure how much the prices will drop after AM5, i bet they will drop by much.. So choice is go with very cheap 5700x and be happy, or go for 5800x3D that have inferior clock speeds and outside of games and cache dependent programs lower performance, or go for the 5900x and enjoy 35% more cores and more overall performance outside of cache...
I think AMD need to release 5900x3D as well, BUT improve somehow the 3D cache, so the CPU to have AT least its original speed...
@@themobster7284 Remember Nvidia and GPUs? Already forgot?
I was thinking about waiting for AM5, but after this video, I think I'll just pickup AM4. Thanks Jay
I’m still running my 1700 it’s been a champ but also definitely had some challenging quirks and stuff. Probably gonna wait till the 2nd or 3rd gen for AM5. Now I just gotta decided if I should get a middle ground upgrade (3000-4000 series) or just wait it out
I couldn't wait as my old pc was really getting long in the teeth so I built one a year ago, it was a real struggle to get the parts at the time but I have no regrets on the build even if it's the last am4 build. I'll wait a couple years and see how am5 progresses and maybe I'll build a new one and use my current one as a second pc.
I've got the 5800x, upgrading to the newest cpu is such a waste a lot of the time, especially when I already have such a powerful one. But the marketing makes you feel like your current cpu is slow and you need a new one. I respect the 4790k owners still going strong
I jumped to AM5 about 2 months in? Had no issues. SUPER HAPPY. and I just loooove how AMD supports their chipset for years and years. Feel very solid about where my system for a long time. Runs cool, great performance. Does anything I want.
Runs cool?
@@rogerioueharamarcus4577 he be lying
Thanks for this video. I've been contemplating this a lot lately. I'm running Ryzen 1500x still with an rx 580 and it's time for a new build. Obviously don't have any need for the latest and greatest so i think i'll go with am4
I bought in early on AM4 and I ran it stock for fear of running into problems.
I will wait until January to see how AM5 travels then pull the trigger.
Thanks for the informative video and Stay blessed brother 💯🤙🏽
Going from a 3770K and I';ve been waiting for the "right moment". I feel that AM5 is that moment, though of course I'll wait and see what reviews say.
Biggest thing I am struggling with now is whether to stick with custom water cooling or go to air cooling. Custom is nice and all, but it's a bit "much". Plus I am always worried about a pump failure.
I have zero problems with a 3070 and amd 5800x and air cooling. type of chassis has a big impact though. My PC is my first self built in a fractal design case and I can barely hear it. Mesh front and top helps a lot with both cooling and noise. Cant go wrong with a decent cooler like Noctua. These are also much better than they used to be a decade ago.
Air coolers have evolved massively as well. The gap in performance is probably the smallest it's ever been.
I stay behind the times (I adopted 3rd gen i5 last year) and have played enough with old crap. You shouldn't need to worry about pump failure because thermal throttling works really well these days. I'm crazy enough to sometimes run without a CPU heatsink during testing and nothing bad has happened. Water cooling with a stalled pump is definitely going to be fine.
I'm upgrading my system after 3 years from a Ryzen 5 2600X to a Ryzen 7 5800X and I'll keep this for the next 3 years. What was said in this video was exactly what I've considered before upgrading my system, btw thanks for the sanity check! IMO 3 years are more than enough for the AM5 technology to get stable and to start thinking about moving over to the next-gen. For now, I'm really happy with my current AM4 setup :)
So would it be ironed out, developed and fully worth buying a few months after launch, or not until the 2nd AM5 release of "Zen 4+" or whatever it will be called? I definitely want to go AM5 as I'm still sitting on an old quad core Intel. Since it will be supported for at least the next 5 years I can get at least another upgrade cycle out of it.
My computer just made a year old (also my first build) and I'm more than happy with it. Sticking with AM4 unless something makes me switch over
I think we got a sneak peak of what AMD chips could look like via the 5800X3D being their test chip while disabling a lot of its potentials for the next AM5 CPU chips.
i disagree. i think that was just AMD soothing their egos since they lost the top gaming CPU spot and pushing out an unnecicary product.
@@santiagolozoya3439 So just like the 12900KS?
I agree
@@santiagolozoya3439 lol, what? It's a new exciting technology that's showing impressive performance gains and is available at a reasonable price. That's pretty much the complete opposite of "soothing their egos since they lost the top gaming CPU spot and pushing out an unnecicary product".
I would fully expect to see 3D V-cache as a more common feature on future AMD products. It's only limited right now because it's so cutting edge.
@@kevadu obviously it's an improvement, but I don't think it's as good as it could have been, and AMD knows that
I just upgraded to AM4 a few months ago from the FX platform. I think I may have waited to long haha!!
cheap upgrade path lol, i did that about 2 years ago
Nah, as Jay says. The first gen of AM5 wont be a good bet. Let AMD work the kinks out. 1 more year should get the 2nd gen 5nm Chip. thats when youd want to think about it. I have a 5800x and am going to get a 5800x3d (my processor was a silicon lottery loser...=( oh well) but, the AM5 though i am happy to see AMD is still pushing, I wont be using it. Besides my PC is fine for a couple years.
I got a Ryzen 1700X on day one to upgrade from my fx-8350.
New CPU, MB, and RAM. Weekly BIOS updates. Weird issues.
But, I loved being part of the start back then.
I upgraded to the 2700X, then 3900X. Today I get a 5950X.
Still using my day one RAM and MB (though I've doubled the RAM to 64 GB now. Asus C6H.)
I had a choice of going AM5 or doing this final upgrade on AM4. This time I think the "final form" of AM4 will hold me for a while.
Sticking w/ AM4 for now. I generally only upgrade every 3-4 years anyway, so each time I upgrade it’s a pretty big jump. I’ve been using a Ryzen 7 3800x on an ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X AM4 mb with 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4. Had this for over 2 years now & It still serves me well for what I need.
I love this guy! He reminds me why I stoped building PCs and went on with mid range laptops..
The second AM5 comes out, I'm getting it. In the hopes that they stick to their motherboard longevity. Haven't even looked at 12 series from intel because of it. Unless that changes this generation, I don't really think about intel anymore. I can't remember the last time I bought a new mobo and it's awesome.
Exactly. I am waiting for AM5 because of upgradability. AM4 is still great, but is end of life now.
@@sylviam6535 but look at AM4 compatibility, there's really specific ram and other compatibility issues that have to be worried about on the earlier boards. should really wait a couple gens.
but im fine with you beta testing for me if that's how you want to live
@@bradhaines3142 - I didn’t say that I would buy it on day one. I never do, with any product.
Is it sad that I've had the 5800x since shortly after launch and would kinda like to get the 3D version just to have?? since they probably won't make to many of them, would just be a cool piece of history to own lol,
and yes it's obviously EOL for the platform already but still.....kinda cool
your cpu is already faster than the 3D....there would only be additional benefit in applications that are messed up cache heavy. 32mb is a lot of L3 cache....the 100mb is such a niche use that i'm not surprised that it's the same price the 5800x was..
@@randonkbay yeah... it's beneficial for gaming , haven't you seen the charts??
mine may be "faster" in clock speeds but the extra cache apparently is quite a bit better than than the frequency for gaming (which is all I do)
Running AM4 two years now, have 3 PCs in the wild, all AM4 with zero issues. Going to build my last AM4 in May to upgrade my sons PC. Then will wait for AM5 2nd gen to drop before I start building again. Just made my mind up on that as I watched JTC heh.
I just got my 5600x month ago and I came from a 2600. Couldn't be happier. I've always waited for the 2nd generation of CPUs to come out before adopting all new platform. For basically the reasons u said.