I Challenged Stockfish: Queen Vs Rook 😮 Queen vs Rook Endgame Practice - Advanced Chess Endgame

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  • @rufusjasko
    @rufusjasko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +540

    The general way to beat the 3rd rank defence is to move the queen further away, so that you have access to a lot more checks.

    • @minimino9878
      @minimino9878 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Near the middle would be the best option also separating the enemy rook and the king by checking and blocking the king from nearing it's rook that way its easier to fork

    • @bobbyb5710
      @bobbyb5710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      then you switch corner to force king i figured out

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      General hand waving re specific complex chess themes is not good evidence than, say, flat earthers or anti-vaxxers have. You remind me of the endless commenters on investment sights that confidently predict short term stock prices -- yet they have NO idea in reality, any more than anyone else.

  • @HemantPandey123
    @HemantPandey123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1117

    "The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life." - Paul Morphy.

    • @nix4110
      @nix4110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      Seriously. Who wants to study this endgame just to be slightly better in a couple potential games and forget the lessons anyways? Very painful

    • @askinnyshademan
      @askinnyshademan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      But then who’s Magnus? Vishy? Hikaru? They’re out there living their best life.

    • @askinnyshademan
      @askinnyshademan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      And yes I know Paul is considered a great chess player

    • @HemantPandey123
      @HemantPandey123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@askinnyshademan Wasted life in intellectual sense (social cause) and not personal well being.

    • @TheBigMrE
      @TheBigMrE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@nix4110 I think these endgames aren't about general use but more about problem-solving. They aren't tips, kinda like watching someone play a video game. not for learning but for entertainment

  • @civilengineer057
    @civilengineer057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +519

    I didn't knew it was this tricky to win a qween vs rook endgame
    Now I don't feel that bad

    • @ItsYouAreNotYour
      @ItsYouAreNotYour 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I'm the king, no pun intended, at the rook forcing me to capture him with my queen.

    • @SinisterMJ
      @SinisterMJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I had a daily game where I had the queen, he had the rook. I just couldn't do it, we drew. That was when I realized that this was NOT an easy endgame, even if stockfish says +5

    • @reubenmanzo2054
      @reubenmanzo2054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Rooks are seriously undervauled. Despite a mere 1pt difference, I have played 2 rooks vs queen and the queen never made it to move 3.

    • @halfaheartbongobongo
      @halfaheartbongobongo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Queen vs Rook is a very hard endgame to win, I remember a story about an IM drawing a Grandmaster in the endgame because he was one of the world's leading experts in it. Doesn't help that some positions are Mate in >50 moves.

    • @CottonBG
      @CottonBG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Queen*

  • @AustinNagy
    @AustinNagy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I love how you don’t edit out mistakes or if things don’t go well. I learn from those mistakes too

  • @Brewermb
    @Brewermb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    I think a good idea would have been to swap places and see if Stockfish could mate you. Edit: sorry I meant, see how quickly Stockfish beats you.

    • @cwjalexx
      @cwjalexx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +165

      stockfish 100% woulda mated him with reversed roles

    • @babayga94
      @babayga94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Agree, seems like good way to learn to mate with queen Vs rook.

    • @zenorite878
      @zenorite878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      A human and fish mating?? 😳

    • @vitusdagalkjr4622
      @vitusdagalkjr4622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@zenorite878 it’s how Magnus was born

    • @brandyking._
      @brandyking._ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zenorite878 why are you gay 🤔

  • @Trelmayas21
    @Trelmayas21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks for this video Nelson. It's helpful to see how you work through a problem you've never done before, as opposed to a prepared lesson. It illustrates how you think through positions and learn, which was very enlightening to me.

  • @user-su3zn2xt3z
    @user-su3zn2xt3z 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This one is amazingly complicated, I've looked at it on and off for more than 5 years and still it holds on to several secrets

  • @Amoeby
    @Amoeby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Oh boy, I remember how tough it was when I was studying this endgame. However, studying it helped me twice to win with a queen and once even to draw with a rook.

    • @34Zero
      @34Zero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At 2.20 doesn't h7 win the rook?

    • @Amoeby
      @Amoeby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@34Zero carefully, black's move on 2:20 was with check.

    • @tristan6773
      @tristan6773 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@34Zero i’m thinking at 2:10 queen to C5 gives a fork. or am I missing something

    • @aura809
      @aura809 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tristan6773 King F4 or E4 both would protect the rook after Queen C5 check

    • @tristan6773
      @tristan6773 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aura809 thx
      I think i’m about to get into chess. idk how these chess videos came up.

  • @roblodocus2539
    @roblodocus2539 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love the variety of videos on this channel, it’s just one of the many things that make it great!

  • @samgreebo
    @samgreebo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Congratulations - it was fascinating to see the learning process of an accomplished and serious player. Great video.

  • @somerandomweeb4836
    @somerandomweeb4836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I would've just taken the draw by insufficient material 😅 saves me the absolute humiliation that would undoubtedly follow if I tried to win

    • @rykehuss3435
      @rykehuss3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Remember that your opponent is about as good or bad as you are. So they could blunder the rook to a fork if you keep trying

    • @somerandomweeb4836
      @somerandomweeb4836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@rykehuss3435 euhm, you do know the opponent is stockfish right?

    • @rykehuss3435
      @rykehuss3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@somerandomweeb4836 For some reason I thought he was talking about if he gets into that endgame in a real match

    • @reubenmanzo2054
      @reubenmanzo2054 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except that it's not insufficient material. Both sides could potentially win.

    • @somerandomweeb4836
      @somerandomweeb4836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@reubenmanzo2054 I think you misunderstood my comment, in the position in the thumbnail, I would've taken blacks rook with my queen and drawn stockfish

  • @martinstephens7057
    @martinstephens7057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Looks easy enough; only four pieces. Involves some of t he most subtle concepts of chess.
    Very cool!

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, like K+P endings very often look easy and can be BEASTLY complex to play properly. I scored a lot of extra half points in such positions (re endings being the only part of chess I actually have a real clue about -- if I could just survive to the ending).

  • @invenblocker
    @invenblocker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:16
    Mate in 1
    Goes for a fork instead.
    Chad move, show the machine your human superiority.

    • @reachdbd815
      @reachdbd815 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      where is mate in 1?

    • @pradyuniyer7508
      @pradyuniyer7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@reachdbd815 queen to a4

    • @silent9fighter
      @silent9fighter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pradyuniyer7508 not m in 1 but a fork

    • @silent9fighter
      @silent9fighter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pradyuniyer7508 he played qa4

  • @kuei4604
    @kuei4604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Really an awesome and one of the most difficult endgames. It's even harder than bishop and knight checkmate for me.

    • @jasonhe5578
      @jasonhe5578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it is supposed to be harder than the bishop vs knight mate which is technically elementary

    • @rahuswati1492
      @rahuswati1492 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NO IT IS NOT

  • @francissmall3529
    @francissmall3529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Two words: Derek Grimmell. When the future of civilization depends on someone solving a Queen vs. Rook problem, Derek will be on the black helicopter landing at the White House. He has a whole series of videos along with a ginormous ChessBase DB covering just this problem. I'm a crap chess player, but I've gotten obsessed with figuring this out and have spent literally hundreds of hours on it - and I haven't even finished all the Grimmell content. I found that I could (usually) solve the problem shown by Nelson, all the while muttering things like "No, form a Cage here. Ah, he's gone to a Distant Defense. Cover that checking square. Here you check adjacent to the rook's diagonal. Hah! I can form the Javelin - you are totally mine now bwahaha!" Look at the Grimmell videos, and consign yourself to the fact that Queen vs. Rook is between 10 and 100 times harder than King+Bishop+Knight vs. King.

    • @ioannisleventis30
      @ioannisleventis30 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

    • @nekp2034
      @nekp2034 ปีที่แล้ว

      hello aspiring chess player! I need your advice! I have downloaded the database of Derek Grimmel but it is a huge volume of positions and as you are a graduate on this I would like to ask you if I have to study all of them or I can study the most important of them.. thanks

    • @francissmall3529
      @francissmall3529 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nekp2034 If you want to cover all situations... then yeah, I think you have to cover them all. Derek seems to think that it only takes about 25 hours to go through everything, but it took me at least 10x that. Maybe he's talking GM level. Honestly, if you are simply interested in increasing your overall rating you are probably better spending your time on something else. In my limited experience I have never encountered a queen/rook endgame, but I have played several rook/pawn endgames, and learning the latter should help you win/draw more endgames.

    • @nekp2034
      @nekp2034 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@francissmall3529 I know this endgame isn't practically much usefull but it fascinates me and I want to learn it. So what should I do? just to study the positions in a row?

    • @francissmall3529
      @francissmall3529 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nekp2034 That's what I did. They do tend to build on one another.

  • @gregmartin3425
    @gregmartin3425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is one of the most difficult end games. I tried playing my computer this end game a few years ago and could not win against a lone rook. The irony is if black has an extra pawn it is easier to beat him, because there are no more stalemate tricks!

    • @homie_official4569
      @homie_official4569 ปีที่แล้ว

      No but then it will try to promote the pawn keeping rook behind and king with rook .so our king will be infronþ of the pawn and and queen will be hoping to fork something

  • @kamnasharma6143
    @kamnasharma6143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Great video as always! Had a question: Will you be continuing that Proof games series?

    • @ChessVibesOfficial
      @ChessVibesOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Maybe eventually! Saw your email as well! It'll probably be a while though before I get back to proof games tbh.

    • @kamnasharma6143
      @kamnasharma6143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ah, ok, np! Was wondering if you had got the email or not, lol.

  • @sharpnova2
    @sharpnova2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is one of my most haunting drawn endgames that kept me from a norm at a key moment in my life. was a humiliating draw. i'd looked down on beginner endgame books like silman's. but it's these tough beats that force you to learn things in a way that you'll never forget.

  • @joecatalan
    @joecatalan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:43 actually if queen f4 check and rook blocks than queen to h2 is mate

  • @nihits
    @nihits 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    maybe give stockfish queen and have a rook yourself and see how it wins

  • @IS34PreteristForce
    @IS34PreteristForce 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome lesson!! ❤❤❤❤

  • @junglerat7247
    @junglerat7247 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I like this video because so many focus too much on the Lucena and Philidor positions. And I'm sitting here thinking that I don't know how to force them in the first place. So its nice to know its actually not easy.

  • @andrewdant2780
    @andrewdant2780 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This end game is so much harder than I thought it would be. I spent like two hours figuring it out myself without help today. I wish I'd watched your video first.

  • @purplesun3792
    @purplesun3792 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was a satisfying checkmate.

  • @tottenvillelegend826
    @tottenvillelegend826 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video makes me feel much better about this endgame. Even a GM like Nelson finds Queen vs Rook difficult.

  • @jasonhe5578
    @jasonhe5578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    great, now time to do 2 bishops vs knight

    • @ultimatejoshua1082
      @ultimatejoshua1082 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe that 2 bishops vs knight is usually a draw because of the fifty move rule.

  • @Rahuloc7rd
    @Rahuloc7rd 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have learn a lot from you ,thanks again

  • @shreyjain3197
    @shreyjain3197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i once had this kind of endgame in a match and i had the rook
    it ended in a draw
    i never knew it was winnable

  • @philkersonchong9848
    @philkersonchong9848 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:50 Black Rh6, white Qf7 or Qf3
    (Blocking Rh7+ and threatening Qf8+ with fork on rook)

  • @TottenvilleMiddleSchool
    @TottenvilleMiddleSchool 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good checkmate, Nelson.

  • @HeadSpaceCreations
    @HeadSpaceCreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My very first thought at @2:22 of the video is work it like all you have is pawns and a king and you're trying to work the king into a corner work the king into a corner with your queen and your king

  • @amazinghdgamer870
    @amazinghdgamer870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love your videos

  • @slyy4096
    @slyy4096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Best way to beat Stockfish is to downclock her CPU.

    • @timeholder4068
      @timeholder4068 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      not enough, even stockfish running in an old cellphone could beat a gm

    • @atomanni-k5m
      @atomanni-k5m 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have an old Pentium 2 on this its easy to beat

  • @TheAngelOfDeath01
    @TheAngelOfDeath01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The 3 hardest endgames to play.
    1) King and Queen vs King and Queen.
    2) King and ONE rook vs King and ONE rook
    3) King and TWO rook vs King and TWO Rook.

    • @calebmon
      @calebmon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      These positions are drawn assuming that the initial position is fair for both players

    • @ЯнМатвеев-г9я
      @ЯнМатвеев-г9я ปีที่แล้ว

      the actual hardest endgames:
      1. king+horsey+bishop against king
      2. kingn + 2 horseys (drawn assuming perfect moves and fair start, but possible to pull off if opponent makes inaccurate move)

  • @GlobalWarmingSkeptic
    @GlobalWarmingSkeptic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's amazing because it's supposed to be a theoretical win, but it's so practically hard to remember what to do in every kind of position against every kid of defense that it's one of the few endgames that is a win but you don't resign.

  • @ayushrajwani7376
    @ayushrajwani7376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    please make a video on two knights Vs a pawn checkmate

  • @trollcart
    @trollcart 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 2:59 u could do Qg1 which will force the king to move and a free rook

  • @Hello86257
    @Hello86257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Queen d4 at start forking the queen and rook, after this the best thing black can get is king vs king stalemate
    0:34 just move one square left for a pin which puts him in check
    2:11 fork on c5
    5:50 put queen in corner
    9:35 up with queen forces his king down and closer to corner

  • @Switzerland_489
    @Switzerland_489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8:08 Queen A5 and queen B5 is a Skewer

  • @intoxictor
    @intoxictor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:07
    He missed c 5 with the queen,it checks the king and if he moves it he takes the rook

    • @grawr09382
      @grawr09382 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Re5 defends this.

    • @PabloYakushi
      @PabloYakushi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@grawr09382 oh gosh, you're right. I was already calling him blind but it was me who wasn't seeing 😅

  • @onniruusunen9444
    @onniruusunen9444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    you should also try this against a human who knows the basic ideas to defend this position

  • @Misteribel
    @Misteribel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:16, fork to capture the rook? Better to just go Qa4#.

  • @grandvoid6940
    @grandvoid6940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bookmove/mistake at 0:25 Mistake at 0:34 Bookmove/ok move at 3:25

  • @_____Shadow_____
    @_____Shadow_____ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    2:59 you could have forked the rook and the king, therefore creating the advantage

    • @RunDNJ
      @RunDNJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Stockfish would've just moved the king up to protect the rook tho

    • @tezzla6358
      @tezzla6358 ปีที่แล้ว

      pov 4 elo

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SO WHAT? K defends rook, and you trade down to a dead draw?
      A fork is only of value IF it actually WINS material in this ending or forces a mate -- and in the middle of the board with the K and rook close together it does NEITHER.

  • @tottenvillelegend826
    @tottenvillelegend826 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing this. The queen vs rook endgame is indeed difficult to win.

  • @rogergeyer9851
    @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I followed computer chess progress relatively closely from the early 80's through the point Deep Blue beat Kasparov in the 1987 match. After writing a decent program as a final project in college for credit, and being very interested in tournament chess, it was pretty natural to follow the literature and watch the progress (with top GM's strenuously denying computers would ever beat top GM's the whole time -- though the math re search depth and strength CLEARLY showed otherwise as computers kept getting faster).
    Computers got good enough in the 90's that they forced chess ending theory to evolve. Larry Christiansen, a top GM at the time, couldn't win a "won, per current theory" game with a K+Q vs. K+R endgame in some major tournament with some strong computers playing.
    The problem was that when normally, a human with K+R would keep the rook near the king to avoid being forked. But at the critical juncture, the computer would move the rook way away, forcing the human to find a fork. And in the positions that was happening, Christiansen wouldn't find such a fork OTB.
    I don't remember the exact date, the tournament, etc. but I do remember the principle.
    Like you, Christiansen went home, studied the endgame, and found how to beat the computer against that defense. But it's interesting (and unsurprising),
    Given Christiansen was a top GM, he had to study the thing, he was pursuing the win under tournament (slow) conditions, NOT 3 minute chess, and that Stockfish might be playing better for this position than whatever strong program was doing 30ish years ago -- you did DAMN well, even if you can't do it every single time.
    Plus, generally, humans will NOT want to separate the K and R in that ending, given how hard it is to find ALL the forks several moves ahead (exhausting over time -- you WILL miss something against a strong opponent playing the K+Q side).
    So interesting, and I'm surprised you were able to win AT ALL in 3 minutes (nothing against you -- more about the state of computer chess in difficult positions against humans). Thanks for putting this together.

  • @alexezekial9922
    @alexezekial9922 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a million, do you think that ,Now, you can give us some advice on how to defend with R against Q
    your effort is greatly appreciated.

  • @alexandernetuzhilov5805
    @alexandernetuzhilov5805 ปีที่แล้ว

    See the Study of Derek Grimmel (2008) about this endgame (Queen vs Rook). There are 21 positions: Philidor, diagonal1, diagonal2, diamond, bodycheck, Euwe_turnWhites, Euwe_turnBlack, corner defence, absolute 7th, 3rd rank defence, 4th rank defence(=harasment defence), 5th rank defence (by Grigoriev), ect.

  • @TwDjLsT
    @TwDjLsT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Reading comments and realizing .. Y'all know this dude is way better than most of us put together right... the Depth .. .. . Of how crazy people are. ';..;'

  • @lunalove2259
    @lunalove2259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @michaellautermilch9185
    @michaellautermilch9185 ปีที่แล้ว

    You needed to use more pins. In this endgame, the opponent usually has around 4 king moves and 12 rook moves to choose from. A pin forces your opponent to choose from about 75% fewer moves.

  • @blanik48
    @blanik48 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In position King f6, Qb5, Rc7, Kc8 - if black goes Rc1. How can white block them in the same corner?

  • @toothlesstoe
    @toothlesstoe ปีที่แล้ว

    I was getting frustrated trying to figure out this endgame. Probably never will, but now I don't feel so bad.

  • @Karupangan69420
    @Karupangan69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chess is just like a wheel, whenever you checked his king it will move and whenever you've been checked by his rook, your king will move

  • @אדרששון
    @אדרששון 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think the camp mate king rule makes endgames more intresting (if kings goes to the last rank its a win)
    but thats also fun

  • @laiton_
    @laiton_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you move the queen to e4 here isnt it a fork? 2:59 if not please tell me why i cant figure it out

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a fork, but if you don't win material from forking, it's WORTHLESS.

  • @sonnyeast3862
    @sonnyeast3862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 11:49 if you shimmy down the a,b file using a series of checks from the queen you will eventually fork the rook-lights out.

    • @sonnyeast3862
      @sonnyeast3862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude 17:00 I totally called it!
      It feels good to be learning , I wish I had friends that played chess.

  • @ehetleosgr
    @ehetleosgr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In 4:12 you can just take the rook with the king.....!!!

  • @rieiejenej
    @rieiejenej 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    2:08 you move your queen to c5

    • @HassanIQ777
      @HassanIQ777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bruh fork

    • @mrunknown4647
      @mrunknown4647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wont work black can move the king to f4 or e4

    • @powch9717
      @powch9717 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrunknown4647 and he takes the rook

    • @Chomta
      @Chomta 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bruh he can block with rook bruh y'all crazy​@@powch9717

    • @Kommandjsdf
      @Kommandjsdf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      King f3, king e4 or rook blocks all save the rook

  • @Skyler.Dreamer
    @Skyler.Dreamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:12 queen go to C5 is forking

  • @nekp2034
    @nekp2034 ปีที่แล้ว

    this ending fascinates me and i'd like to learn it even if it isn't practically much usefull.. is there any course for this?

  • @alextalksalot2712
    @alextalksalot2712 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    18:08, he didnt move his rook to the h file cause queen d5 checks and you can figure it out from their

  • @SrGabito
    @SrGabito 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:16 is a4 checkmate or a1 check and take the rook with checkmate

  • @seo_adi6818
    @seo_adi6818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thik at 4.05 minits on the video you have to move the king at f4, and the next move is checkmate

  • @meanderingmarley3910
    @meanderingmarley3910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you set it up as Stockfish vs. Stockfish?

  • @Weissleder_
    @Weissleder_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the start you could have like 3 Forks if im not dumb, but im not good at chess

  • @леофедотов-ю1р
    @леофедотов-ю1р 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:15 why didn't he take the rook by the king??

    • @elby2076
      @elby2076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Black king would have no spaces to move to, thus a stalemate

    • @Waitend_gaming
      @Waitend_gaming 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its stalemate do not take rook

  • @loiclariv
    @loiclariv ปีที่แล้ว

    at 3:00 theres a fork with the queen moving one scare up

  • @kambuntschki6314
    @kambuntschki6314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 3:47 you couldve just moved the queen to e4 forking the rook and the king. If the rook moved infront of the queen you couldve simply taken it and won

    • @philou1467
      @philou1467 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The black king can move on h3 if you do that.

  • @darshgandhi6156
    @darshgandhi6156 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have seen the mate in two in one of the positions in your 2 game it was when your Kc6 and then Qg8# oh yeah obviously stockfish would try to stop but the game will just be longer and you would win

  • @TheBigMrE
    @TheBigMrE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if at 8:05 you moved your queen down to B5, would it have been a fork?

    • @Samir12357
      @Samir12357 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope.. Then the king goes to e6 and you can't take the rook.

  • @M3inelRaC4raft
    @M3inelRaC4raft ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This Acctuaky Should Be A Draw The Queen Can Trap Black's King But Black's King Doesent Have To Move He Has A Rook And The Rook Will Check The White King You Think? No, Hell Trap The White King So It's A Draw

    • @arcythecube
      @arcythecube 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, you can win lol

  • @r.ebenezerpaul6850
    @r.ebenezerpaul6850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 2:13 why not fork the king and rook and win the rook??

  • @cyber874
    @cyber874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 2:06 you should move the queen to c5 in that case you can check the king and eat the rook

  • @jadhavpritin
    @jadhavpritin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PLEASE READ THIS @Chess Vibes
    It is a strat that Nelson unfortunately did not see to take the rook in 1st game
    Qh7 is a strat to force to move the king (Nelson played kc4) to open up the diagnoll for the queen and take the rook since the king can't defend it. Timestamp 2:23

    • @adit3186
      @adit3186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      he's in check, he can't move the queen

  • @בראישטה-ה8מ
    @בראישטה-ה8מ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He missed a fork

  • @pyagangtallu8588
    @pyagangtallu8588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:12 what if king move b8

  • @KR-P
    @KR-P ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you done pawn and rook vs queen?

  • @happyroom6482
    @happyroom6482 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:58 why couldn't you go down, then enemy could go only down with tower, after you kill it, you win... But tower also could go left, but you could do checkmate after that

    • @Fahimlol
      @Fahimlol 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a stalemate trap.

  • @m4m313
    @m4m313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:22 missed the pinned rook

  • @MrDavide1976
    @MrDavide1976 ปีที่แล้ว

    great....it's all day i'm trying.....it's no joke.......

  • @dexternelson9094
    @dexternelson9094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:41 queen f4?

  • @MrRando
    @MrRando 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why didnt you just move your queen to d4 in the first game?

    • @GuzaoPazug
      @GuzaoPazug 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Porque ele iria mover a rainha pro e6 e se o rei matasse a torre a rainha iria matar o rei e iria ficar 2 rainha e o jogo nunca iria acabar

  • @gibbo3714
    @gibbo3714 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 3:46 i dont understand why u wouldnt go e4 and fork them tbh

  • @carsonkremlik4747
    @carsonkremlik4747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice going!

  • @hamzaalsholi3333
    @hamzaalsholi3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could've moved queen to e3 to e4 forked the rook and King took rook but I don't know if it's auto matic win as its it could be insufficient pieces so yeah missed that

  • @arthurrtang9670
    @arthurrtang9670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 19:10 Kd5 would actually reach that critical position, but with Black to move instead of White.

    • @34Zero
      @34Zero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      2.20 queen to h7 wins rook

    • @arthurrtang9670
      @arthurrtang9670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@34Zero white's king is in check in that position at 2:20 so white doesn't have time to play Qh7.

  • @josiahstreetman8806
    @josiahstreetman8806 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:04 Qe4+ fork? Just missed, or is there another reason I am a dodo?

  • @bobbyb5710
    @bobbyb5710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    if he does 3rd rank defens your king cant come to square he want, then try another corner to push king into

  • @redloke4456
    @redloke4456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:10 подскажите почему король не может срубить а просто уходит

  • @sjorsvanderpijll9438
    @sjorsvanderpijll9438 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3.50 you should have placed the queen on E4... he had to move the king so you could take the rook...or he had to block with the rook, you could take the rook and his king couldnt take the queen or escape caus your king did protect him

  • @lordcezar4657
    @lordcezar4657 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wasted my time learning this a year ago and now I can't remember how to force the king to the corner to be able to seperate the rook and king

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu ปีที่แล้ว

    When I saw this I was like "wait, this is a win for white?"

  • @lazylucas2964
    @lazylucas2964 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How many forks can you miss

  • @CowboyGaming23
    @CowboyGaming23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 3:02 would ke4 been a good move?

  • @dashingmlg601
    @dashingmlg601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:42 queen e6 to cover g4 when you move your king down sp he cant check you and then mate at the back after qe6 kf4

  • @soulevans7588
    @soulevans7588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear there’s so many fork plays he misses in this

    • @Romaren_1904
      @Romaren_1904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      drop some timestamps

  • @julianae09
    @julianae09 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you can fork if youd move to e5

  • @klasstenbeg._.
    @klasstenbeg._. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need to know how checkmate youre opponent with queen vs rook

  • @goodpesar1744
    @goodpesar1744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its funny how we humans made these bots but can't defeat them

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We made cranes and can't lift more than them. We built cars, trains, rockets, boats, etc. and can't go as fast or far as them.
      Why is something involving knowledge so much different? It's not, IMO, it's just relatively new.

    • @goodpesar1744
      @goodpesar1744 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rogergeyer9851 hi,i just saw it,it was a year ago thanks for letting me know i left this comment😁
      Yes all the mechanical tools we made that are capable of doing works that we as human can't even imagine doing them,but obviously they don't calculate any complex problems