2024 Camry XSE V6: The end of an era for an amazing and affordable sedan
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- Well, y’all! Here we are with the 2024 Camry XSE V6. 35 years after its introduction in 1989, the Camry is finally going all-hybrid and all-four-cylinder. So let’s celebrate the last Camry V6 and the last 2GR V6 anything from Toyota.
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00:00 Intro & back story
06:55 Introducing our Camry XSE V6
07:58 Price & value
09:04 Materials & quality
10:52 On the road impressions
17:24 Final thoughts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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This is what really was the final decision for me buying a 2024 Camry TRD. Last year for the V6. Also the body configuration for this generation is one of my favorites.
Congratulations! And yes, I could not agree more!
I just bought a 2024 V6 Camry XSE identical to yours. Main reason was to get the last V6 Camry. This is my 4th Camry V6. I had an 89, 97 and 2000. I've only had the car 3 weeks and I absolutely love it. It's so quiet to drive and has plenty of power from the 301 horsepower when you need it.
Awesome!! And yes it’s such an amazing car to drive. So quiet and smooth but a TON of fun when you want it to be. Congrats!
We always look forward to your videos. My husband and I just left on our maiden voyage with our 22 RX. We’ve owned it for 4 mos. Gotta love that V6❤! Keep up the great content!
Thank you so much!! I’m so glad you always look forward to them! And have an amazing trip in your new RX! Cheers!!
I had a similar stint a couple years back where I went through several cars almost comically fast. Life is too short to not enjoy the things you love. Congrats on the new Camry 🥳
Could not agree more!!! And thank you!
I saw a meme that said "Please don't wish me Happy Hondadays when you know my family celebrates Toyotathon." 😂 So, happy Toyotathon to you and yours, Josh!!
OH. MY. GOD. I love this so much!! 😂 Funny story, we bought this on the first day of toyotathon and the dealer did a huge party and parade for it on their lot. So, hilarious that you mention it! Cheers and happy Toyotathon to you too! 😂😂
Another well-thought-out 2023 video 👍 Happy holidays!
Thank you!! And thanks for always coming back to watch! Happy Holidays to you and yours as well!
Fantastic vehicles, and another awesome video!! 😉😎 Looking forward to 2024. Take care.
Thank you! And thank you for watching and coming back as always!!
Aww 🥰 thank you for the honorable mention❤
Great review as always.. she’s a beautiful car!
I am so happy your dealer gives you great deals..
I love that smooth ride of the Camry! Loving that red❤
Thank you, Rissy!!! And congrats again to you on the RX! Loving your red as well!
@@joshjamescars ❤️
Sent you an email.. lol .. love talking cars with you!
I’ve got an NX on order thanks partially to your channel - and my son still drives my 2007 Camry v6. It continues to be a great car!
Congratulations to you and what a great car he has! Cheers!
Great review! I’m going to miss the v6 when it’s gone, good call buying one while you still can 🚀
Thank you! And yes, it’s the very sad end of an era!
Hey man I just happened to see this vid as TH-cam suggested it to me. And boy am I glad it did! I have always been a Toyota fan. My 1st Japanese love was the Camry. My grandmother had a 1985 Camry lift back. And it was going to be mine after my high school graduation. But it got totaled when I was a sophomore. The commercial of Margaret & her v6 Camry was very memorable for me. I remember watching it on tv. So when I saw it on your vid I just burst into laughter! I think it was more-or-less because it reminded me of how old I am & how long ago that was! I've owned 2 Camrys that I loved. A 93 & 97. I was also surrounded by Toyotas that other family members owned. Two of my aunts had Celicas. Another aunt had a Paseo. A cousin that owned 3 different Cressidas & her husband had a Celica. Another cousin had a Cressida & one had a base Toyota pickup. Although I am a die hard Toyota fan, my 1st car ended up being an Accord, so I've got Toyota & Honda blood in my veins. I've owned 3 Accords & currently have 2 Acuras. I've come to the decision that my next car is going to be either an ES350 or Camry & it HAS to be packing a v6! I loved your vid & I'm definitely going to subscribe to your channel. I'll make sure to binge watch all of your prior vids as well! Happy Holidays to you & yours!
I love this so, so much! My Aunt also had an 85 Camry too, what an amazing first car that Camry would have been! And right!? That commercial is a gem. Meanwhile, your comment is also bringing back such memories of 90s Toyota for me. Cressidas, Paseos, Celicas. I think my parents neighbor mat actually still have their Cressida from the early 90s that I remember from my childhood. And funny enough, my first car was also a Honda, believe it or not! And I have come very close to buying a few Acuras over the years. If I could go back and buy the final generation of the TL, I would in a heartbeat. As for your next car, I would highly recommend either the ES it the Camry. If you don’t feel the need to have the luxury badge and appointments, you really just can’t go wrong with the pricing on the 2024 Camry. And thank you so much for subscribing, glad you enjoyed and welcome aboard!!!
@joshjamescars Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely torn between the two but I think the Camry's gonna be my pick. And definitely an XSE. Gotta have that pano roof & red interior! And it won't break the bank like the ES350 with the ultra luxury package. With the Acuras that I already have, they're enough luxury in my lineup. Sounds like you & have have somewhat similar history with the Toyota brand & we're both in Texas! I can tell by the way the freeway was made in the video lol. I'm definitely looking forward to future content in the upcoming year!
I recently got the exact same one and absolutely love it! ❤
Congratulations!!! It’s an amazing car!
Happy holidays to you too Josh. Love your thorough videos (you’ve sold many Toyotas thru these I’m sure). You sold me on my NX350 premium! Gotta love that regular gas!
Happy holidays, Jackie!! Thank you so much and cheers!!! Congrats on the NX350!
I sell Toyota's, and I can tell you the V6 Camry is legit. It's fast, comfortable, and drives VERY well.
Could not agree more, we love ours!
This makes me happy knowing I just ordered this very car in the exact same color and options, thank you !!
It’s one of those get it while you can kind of cars and I don’t think you’ll regret it!
Thankyou for the review I am sold on the XSE V6.
It’s an amazing car and absolutely worth getting before it goes away forever!
XSE is so nice! We love our Gen 8 Camry community ❤️
LOVE the gen 8!
Thank you for sharing more content about the Toyota / Lexus V6, my current daily driver is a (purchased new) 2016 Lexus ES 350, best car I've ever had, going on 300,000 MI and I've just been keeping up with the oil changes and tune-ups and everything has been SOooo good. I'm currently having an issue with the radio and I'm going to have to replace it however I have no desire to purchase a new ES. When I get in the 2023 ES 350 even though it's a lot newer, I just feel like the es I have is built like a tank and to be honest there's really not that many differences to make me go out and drop another 50K.
Anyways please enjoy your Lexus GX which is awesome absolutely phenomenal and congratulations on your new Toyota Camry V6. We spoke before about the new 2022 Lexus RX 350 Ultra Luxury and we think it's the BEST VEHICLE EVER.I purchased THE RXL in iridium silver with the caramel glazed seats ultra luxury , best everything ✓. We also have an old school 2008 Toyota Highlander with the V6, the best hauler and go through anything vehicle ever, whenever I'm doing anything with hauling or picking up landscaping or moving furniture oh my goodness it's a dream. Anyways I appreciate your content and I enjoy it, thank you.
Hello! Yes, I remember! And thank you so much for watching and commenting here! And could not agree more with the RX350.
Great review. Love your honest, soft-spoken approach (a little rare on YT car reviews). I bought a 2009 Venza (first year offered) fully loaded with the 2GR-FE V6. We have owned dozens of Mercedes over our 40 years together and the Venza has been, without a doubt, the best car I've owned in my geezing lifetime. It has 240K on it and still averages 21-22mpg combined, burns ZERO oil between changes (I do most of the work on it myself), and has been an absolute workhorse for us. Looking seriously at the '23 V6 Camry pretty much as you spec'd it (always favored the Toyota "pearl" white exterior. Thanks again and enjoy!
Wow! That’s terrific! And yes, those original Venzas were such great cars. I had a Highlander from a few years after that and it was terrific to drive. I still miss it to this day! I highly recommend the Camry and do act sooner rather than later as the refreshed 25 is coming out this spring.
I just picked up a fully loaded 2024 Camry XSE V6. happy with my purchase. sad to see the V6 going away.
Congratulations!!!
Great video and review. Where are you guys located?
Great informational video ❤ the old school commercial....
Thank you!! And right!?
Great video. I think you sold me on this car, although presently in CA where I live, the three I've seen so far are with full black interior only. Not a problem for me. Anyway, thank you for your informative video. Cheers. 😀
The black is great too! And it’s an amazing car to get before the V6 goes away.
That 1989 Toyota v6 in the ad, was my first Camry. I was 18 when I bought it. Now I own the final Camry V6 TRD, and I’m so great full to have it! Such an awesome car, love it !
That’s amazing!!! And congrats on the TRD!
@@joshjamescars Thank you !
Love you Josh
Thank you as always, Jeffrey!!!
they living the American dream so many cars make it look easy
We’re just very fortunate, and we do recognize that our good fortune doesn’t come to everyone, and thus are very grateful and appreciative of it.
Daaaaaang nice burn 🔥 on the TX 550h+ having no pano in the first few seconds of the video 😂 “that’s more like it” 🤣
Hahaha!!! I was wondering if anyone would get that reference!!! Cheers!
You are truly an enthusiast! I ended up jumping ship because I didn’t like the direction Toyota/Lexus was going in.
one of the reasons why I won't sell my IS 350, that v6 is so good, people gonna miss it when it's gone
very nice new car … if I had the space, I would be very tempted to get an ES 350 myself.
Thank you! And yes, the ES350 is a great car. It gets pricey but great nonetheless!
Josh have you ever reviewed Honda vehicles? Would love your impressions of the Honda Accord and the Honda CRV. Thanks for your great work and your unique and effective style.
Hello! Thank you so much! I have talked about the CR-V at the video linked down at the end (spoiler alert, I REALLY like it), but haven’t yet had the chance to do a hands on video with one. I do have a Honda video that I hope to film sometime before the end of the year but it’s not the Accord or CR-V, unfortunately. Video talking about the CR-V here: th-cam.com/video/G_pgsBV_hw0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lUwyAfyoNuBxEvFk
@@joshjamescars thank you!
Amazing V6!
I just bought a 2024 XSE V6. It's arriving at the dealership in a few days. This will be the first car I have ever owned that will be even remotely fast.
Congratulations! You’ll love it, and it’s SO fun to drive. Plus the sound of that V6 can’t be beat!
I got a 2020 trd witch has the v6 I love the smoothness of that engine but I wish I got the xse because the trd is very basic se trim inside no option available on the trd when it first came out in 2020 now you can get some options I don’t even have blind spot alert wasn’t available for trd so I’m thinking about trading up to a Lexus is 350 f sport Great review.
Hello! Thank you! I completely understand what you mean, we definitely enjoy all the bells and whistles on the XSE. As for the IS, I fully support, but the thing I think you should think about is whether you’d be open to spending $10K more for the IS500. I know the IS300 is already pushing $50 so I’d imagine the 350 is comfortably in the 50s and I’ve seen IS500s around here in the low 60s and the V8 in there is legendary and will DEFINITELY be a collectible and hold its value in the years to come since the next IS is rumored to be EV-only. So… something to think about! ;)
Couldn’t agree more about Toyota’s V6…it truly is an engineering masterpiece! I recently put a deposit down on a new Lexus ES 350 because I am almost certain that when Toyota redesigns it, it’s going to be either a turbo-4 or hybrid only. Will be nice to have the Lexus ES 350 in my garage with my Toyota Highlander, both with that buttery smooth 3.5L 2GR-FKS V6.
Great choice!! That’s definitely a car to get while you still can. I am SO glad I got my GX460 when I did, you won’t regret it!
What’s up buddy I just brought that car love it
Hey, I just got a v6, too. I can agree with everything you said. I do feel like back in time. I hope we have a long life together. Great video.
Congrats and I hope we do as well! Thanks for watching!
The Lexus' back seats don't fold down, which is a bummer because sometimes I need to haul larger things. My BMW M series is just too expensive to own, I am really considering the Camry fully loaded. Although it won't be near what my BMW has, it is still nice and so much cheaper to own and fuel! Will miss my HP though. Great video, than ks for sharing. Love the red interior,
That’s a really big difference, I’d think long and hard about it before you decide to replace what I’m assuming is an M5 with a Camry. The Camry is a great car and has a lot of attributes that only Toyota does, but if it hasn’t already been discontinued, you might want to look at a Kia Stinger. Plus it has a lift back for practicality. The Acura TLX Type S would also be a more engaging option. And I’d also seriously think about adding the Camry on alongside the M car and not replacing it… we’re at the point where you may never be able to get something like that again and so like I’ll always have the V8 GX and a daily driver alongside it.
We have a 2022 rx fsport handling which is fully loaded. Essentially the same engine (2gr-fks) and its really refined. It only has 4000 miles when we bought it back in augest of 2022 because our camry is our daily. That is a 2017 v6 with the 2gr-fe and its unfortunate but its in the dealership because it had a transmission issue and we need to replace the whole thing, hopefully we dont have those turn of events on the rx
Sorry to hear! That’s quite rare for these so I’m sure the RX will hold up better!
I own this vehicle & love it. I see that yours has a V6 badge on the back, but mine doesn’t. I waaaant one! LOL!!
We added it on, I wanted credit for the fact that we have the V6, lol! It’s OEM Toyota part number 75444-48090. Search that on eBay. :)
That is interesting about the upgraded interior. My friend has a 2019 Camry I've driven a lot and the plastics and dash has the hard type of plastic. I wish I'd know they'd done these upgrades to the Camry.
We went with a base ES (wanted the luxury package (real leather dual lumbar, thigh extensionk lateral dampers), but called all regional distributions and only base and UL were being ordered) because it's basically the same price as the limited Avalon (which makes it on par with the ES) at the time. It's a '22, now I wonder if they may have improved some of the panels in it as well. I don't recall the dash being quite like that and the panel above the glove box I've seen from others mars easy.
Just like you say about the Lexus, different trims of the same vehicle often have different materials. So the seats in our XSE (and XLE) are really nice thick leather but TRD and SE get SofTex. Like I say in the video, our XLE hybrid also had different materials inside as well.
That said, your base ES’ NuLuxe will require a lot less care over the long run than the leather you would have gotten on the Ultra Luxury. I had a Volvo with beautiful, semi-aniline leather but after 3 years of babying it, it still had stretched, creased, and faded because that’s what it’s supposed to do. And after that I swore off semi-aniline leather in a car that I actually plan to drive on a regular basis.
Good video and review..wife has a 23 camey xse 4 cyl awd. I have a 4cyl turbo accord. I love the pep it has but I'm a v6 fan which always have owned v6. I'm curious how would u compare the pep of the camry co.pared to the lexus es? Debating about trading in my 21 accord sport 2.0 for a csmry v6.
Hello! The Camry and ES drive nearly identically since it’s the same platform and same engine. The ES is quieter with nicer materials, of course, but the Camry actually has the edge in terms of speed because it’s ever so slightly lighter and smaller than the ES (the last two generations of ES were based on the Avalon). I also think the ES is slightly overpriced for what it is. I would highly recommend the Camry V6, I just love driving ours and there’s nothing like the direct and linear feel of a big displacement, naturally aspirated V6.
Nice purchase
Thank you!
This is the setup I'm considering. I have a 2023 XSE v4 red+black with most options and really regret not getting a V6. Like you, I don't care if I upgrade in just a year. It's not like the V6 is gonna be around next year. I'm going to go for it!
Go for it! The 4-cylinder is fine but the V6 is extraordinary and like you say, is going away. And just so you’re aware, it’s likely going away in the next few months. The 25 is expected to start productions in April since it’s just a major facelift and then hit dealers not long after, so act soon.
@@joshjamescars I'm aware that spring is it as they release next year's edition. Talking to sales now as we speak. Thanks though! I'd love to know what exact options you got. Was the 39k price before all the other stuff they add -taxes tags etc? I'd love to know the OTD price.
I'm old enough to remember that and other commercials "I love what you do for me...Toyota"....yeah.
$39K was the final sales price after $4K of discounts, and then here in Texas our sales tax is offset when you trade in a vehicle and since they gave us so much for the Prius we paid less than $1K in tax so I think our OTD price was around $41K. And the one we got has whichever package it is that rolls in everything you can get on an XSE V6. I want to say MSRP was originally $42,900 or something like that.
@@joshjamescars Nego tips? My OTP is 43.2k with a 2k discount. That includes all taxes....the pre-tax price was 41k
@sterlingsmith1969 Hard to say without knowing more about the build (a ton of accessories? Crap dealer fees, etc.? That sounds like a pretty good deal without any other context. Also, negotiating isn’t really a thing these days because someone else will buy the car if you don’t. If you’re trading something in you could also negotiate the value of that.
Have you driven or tested the TRD? I am somewhere between this and the TRD and plan on checking them both out. Thanks
Hello! The TRD is essentially a base model car with NO features so that counts it out for us as we really enjoy the upgraded features like the head up display, full LED lighting, JBL stereo, leather seats, etc., none of which the TRD has. BUT the TRD will drive a little flatter and a little sharper due to the suspension changes from the XSE. I’m also not a fan of the TRD body kit things, it’s a little much for a Camry, IMO. But the engine is great regardless.
Good choice. Just bought a new 2024 ES 350. Optioned out base trim. Not the color, trim or options I wanted but could not find a close to what I wanted Luxury trim build near me (talking 250 miles +). The dealers weren't helpful either. They were more interested in pushing cars on their lot.
I agree with you on why you bought the last of the V6 models. I basically did the same for mostly the same reasons.
I had a 2013 Avalon Limited w/tech pkg V6. Only 48000 miles. Every year I would look at the new ones to see the changes. Now that the Avalon is gone. I looked at the Crown. It's OK but I felt overpriced. I then looked at the Lexus models figuring Lexus is soon to drop the V6. Also the for the price of a Crown, your into lexus money.
I keep my cars 10 + years and don't put that many miles on them. So I really didn't want a hybrid. Battery out of warrantee and value drop. Who wants an 11 year old hybrid?
The Avalon was still worth decent money but hard for a new buyer to get financing for. Dealer had a good price on loaded base trim and gave me decent money on the trade in. It was hard to pass up for those reasons. Other than not getting the exact one I wanted, I do like the car, the great ride and V6. If my Avalon road as nice as this car I would have kept it. Anyway, I feel like this is the last year for the V6 ES 350.
Camry VERY NICE
Hey great vid Josh! I currently have a 23’ Camry XSE in celestial grey with black roof, ventilated seats, upgraded audio, red leather seats, and more bells and whistles. I really like my car and don’t see myself getting rid of it. However there is a new 24’ Camry Hybrid XSE offer from my local dealer that is hard to pass up. I’m attracted to the idea of better fuel economy, less maintenance etc. I know this is the last v6 Camry that Toyota will be making. Idk what I should do 😭 any advice would be helpful. Thanks!
Hello! It all comes down to what you want and need. If you like the way your V6 drives, there’s no replicating that with a Camry hybrid. However, if you think you can live with the hybrid drive in exchange for the much better fuel economy, then the new one is terrific and such a great value.
@@joshjamescars amazing! I have had the XSE since August and only has 6500 miles. I love the panoramic sun/moon roof and I cannot ever get over my heated and ventilated seats, under car puddle lights, and the ride in general. I average 26 mpg every time I drive but I love the zippiness of the sport mode! I saw some people mention the hybrid xse also packs a punch! Anyway I WFH and I like to do long road trips every now and then. I see it’s very difficult to find a new or even fairly used 24’ XSE hybrid. Thanks for the input! 👍🏼
I needed faster car so i choose this over es350 and no regret!
I agree sir I love the V6 engine I just don’t understand why they are getting rid of it it’s in my 2022 Highlander and my 2014 Avalon great engines.
It’s due to emissions and Toyota’s long-term goal of carbon neutrality. They’ve said that the 2023 Highlander with the turbo I4 emits 50% less NOx gasses than your 2022 V6. So, I get it, but I’ll miss these engines and keep yours for as long as you can!
I hate to disappoint you, but you are missing the Cold Weather Package which gives you another switch to the right of the trunk release switch--where the current plug is to cover the missing switch for the heated steering wheel!
We are, but for whatever reason that’s not available on the XSE with the windchill pearl/black roof and the red interior for 2024 and so that was more important to us than a heated steering wheel.
Cool. Camries (and Accords) really are screaming deals if one wants a sedan. Now, your viewers would pay BIG bucks to have seen some behind the scenes bickering about the purchase of a new car. Missed a key opportunity for some superior B-roll!
Hahaha! Right!? I think the problem is nobody in this house would say no but which car goes is a whole other story. 😂😅
I traded my srt8 challenger for my v6 Camry just so i could have one before they stopped making them. Mine is just like yours but black interior.
Fantastic!! That’s a great choice!
You should review the Toyota crown next
I’ve been trying to get my hands on a Crown, it’s a really interesting car.
So are there anymore v6 in the US?
The Camry will be available with the V6 until the end of this model year, whenever that is.
Nice vehicle! The only Camry I like..
Thank you and agreed!
So josh are you and john down to a gx and camry v6?
Hey Jeffrey! We also still have the rav4 Prime too. I won’t get rid of that car until we absolutely have to.
Very wise. I think all three are good investments.
Do you still have your GX Josh?
Yes!! The wheels are going to have to fall off of it before I’ll let it go.
I would like one. Some Lexus dealerships are knocking $4000 off their GXs. For example Lexus of Sarasota and Lexus of Wayzata in Minneapolis where I live.
@jeffreyerickson6766 Now is the time! I imagine there will still be inventory heading into the new year but the sooner the better.
Why is the camry coming out with v6 but the rav4 only has a 4 cylinder? Just curious
Clarification: the Camry is not coming out with a V6, it’s lost the V6. As of today production has ended on the 2024 Camry and so the 2025 Camry is now entirely hybrid 4-cylinder. That’s the way Toyota is moving for all its vehicles. The next ES (like the Crown) will also be all 4-cylinder turbo & hybrid, and the next IS is rumored to be EV-only.
There was once a V6 Rav4 with the 2GR-FE V6, but that was two generations ago in the mid-2000s.
Is yours the AWD?
No, you can only get AWD on the base, non-hybrid 4-cylinder.
Im glad I am single and my XSE Camry Miku Valkyrie belongs to me, and only me.
Glad you’re loving your life and your Camry!
39kmsrp + taxes and paperwork? If so what it come out to total
Not entirely sure but because the Prius was worth so much we hardly paid any sales tax on the new car (in Texas you only pay sales tax on the difference between your trade and the new vehicle). I’d recommend you ask your dealer for hard numbers.
@@joshjamescars just purchased a 24 car v6 about a month ago , just trying to compare numbers on it since California tax & everything just high in general
Went for long term duration and reliability than a race car. Pretty happy with the choice
@davidjoslin2641 Ah I see! I’d estimate about $40K-$41K then out the door, but again keep in mind our numbers won’t really be “fair” because of our tax differential. And yes! You made a fantastic choice!
@davidjoslin2641 what was your out the door total? I'm in California too, and this video made me want to pull the trigger on 1 as well. My 2010 has 215k miles. Still runs fantastic, but I'm ready for an upgrade. Thx guys 😊
What is the first letter in the Vin ?
Maybe a J ?
No, sadly! All Camrys and ES are made in Kentucky, though it is the oldest and best plant in North America!
This trend the car industry is taking in making cars like home appliances is going to result in a deep in new cars purchases. No divers cars for the middle class and poor .
I agree at the premise of your comment that cars are becoming appliances, but I disagree that there aren’t any affordable driver’s cars. The WRX, Civic SI, and GR Corolla are three terrific affordable sedans around the $40K mark. What we’re really missing are great V6 sedans like this Camry but I don’t know if I’d consider this truly a driver’s car.
@@joshjamescars Sadly to say this but all those cars mentioned are going to come up against environmental laws in places like California soon, like Gas Leaf Blowers, hope I'm going to be proven wrong, and yes that V6 Camry looks like a driver's car.
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I get what your going for but who tf puts salt in chocolate milk
Go google it. Salt makes chocolate blossom like adding instant coffee does with chocolate in baking. Like chocolates with sea salt? Same idea. The salt offsets the sweetness and actually enhances it because of the contrast.
Hate that this cost $40k. Things are ridiculous
They absolutely are but still a bargain considering the Tacoma is likely to top out in the mid-60s now.
@joshjamescars insane. Bought a brand new pick up truck with leather, heated seats, etc everything but a sunroof which I don't even need for just under $37k
It's will go 300k miles with more frequent oil changes so it might be worth it
@gerardm.5047 nah, can get lightly used Lexus, acura or infiniti at that price if not cheaper