A GX460 owner drives the GX550: The relentless pursuit of PLASTIC, profit, and body roll…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- Well, friends! This is the video SO many of you have asked for; today we’re going hands on with a production version of the GX550!
For reference, this is a GX550 Premium Plus (or Premium+) that has an MSRP of $73,450 and the vehicle you see in the video is finished in Nebula Gray Pearl over the black interior.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro, the Lexus Story, and the Pursuit of Perfection
02:32 Interior, materials, and design
06:58 On the road driving impressions
10:23 The importance of KDSS
13:29 Transmission and engine behavior
16:03 Noise levels, sound insulation, refinement, and hood rippling
18:42 Mirror visibility issues
19:47 Hitting a dip in the road
20:31 Final thoughts and who should buy the new GX? - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Lexus is going the wrong direction with small turbo engines, plastic interiors, and less premium feel with higher costs.
The turbo engines I could get over if it weren’t for the low rent interiors. What I was thinking while driving that GX is, even if it had the 4.6L V8, I still wouldn’t buy it solely based on the awful interior.
It feels like a Jeep or bronco made by Toyota
That is exactly why I decided against upgrading to a Lexus. It is valuing off-road handling and sportiness above perfection and luxury. So sad.
I get why they had to in Toyato for emission and government reason, they should have kept V8 in the Lexus trucks to differentiate better between brand and should have been minimal penalty since less production.
This comment should be in a giant marble stone and put at Lexus HQ in America and Japan.
I purchased the lexus gx 460 2023 with your recommendation. I'm so happy with this purchase and I look forward to many years of enjoying it with myself and son. Thank you being so informative Josh! I get what you're saying about the quality and technical issues you mention.
Fantastic!! I’m so glad you got one while you could and that it’s serving you well. Take care of it and it could very well outlive your son and his kids! 😂
With the said, what brand alternatives should previous lexus owners look to?
@Justintm I have an Infiniti QX60 in the driveway for review that I really don’t want to give back. That (or the MDX) is where I’d go to replace an RX, but not so sure about replacing a GX460.
Likewise, thank you @joshjamescars! Your videos and reviews (as well as those of @LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD) prompted the purchase of my 2023 GX, and I am just smitten with this beauty (and its inner beast)!
@bavardage FANTASTIC! So glad so many of us got a 460 before they drove off into the sunset.
Detailed take on the 550, well done, I can almost feel riding it as well the way you describe it. Thank you.
Thank you! And thanks for watching and riding along with me ;)
This video is going to make a lot of GX460 owners really, really happy about they're investment. I'm surprised Lexus cheaped out like this.
It’s SHOCKING to me. Like I couldn’t imagine spending that much on this when I spent about $10K less on my GX460 less than a year ago.
I can't believe I wrote "they're" instead of their. My apologies.
You are right,I love my 2021 460gx
I’m incredibly happy with my old 460. I would not get the new one even they paid me to trade this.
And to top it off they’re recalling the twin turbo v6’s and saying it’s due to a “debris” issue where debris remained in the engine post production (interesting that the debris made it into the engine in multiple global locations where it is manufactured) yet we know at this point it’s due to bearing issue which is a much deeper concern and now I wonder if Toyota/Lexus will replace all of the engines in all of the Tundra’s, Sequoia’s, GX’s, etc which would cost them billions to do according to estimates from experts. Time will tell. Disappointing to see Toyota/Lexus essentially killing off their brands with their decidedly cheap, chintzy plastic fantastic approach to design, engineering and manufacturing.
GREAT video. I work in sales for this brand and you’re spot on about the changing demographic. I’m all for Lexus making an off roader but I can tell you from what I’ve seen of 550 sales, the buyers are very different. GXs used to be sold in cash to people who knew exactly what they would cost. Almost every new 550 buyer has traded in some non-luxury SUV or truck that we have to send to auction, can’t give them top dollar on, and they’re being leased or financed at astronomical monthlys and long loan terms. That historically is not the Lexus customer and is not the customer who’s going to come back to Lexus for their next car.
What a great comment, thanks for sharing your insight! I was wondering about that because I was running some hypothetical numbers on a GX and at the price they’re charging and the high-ish interest rates we have right now, it’s insane even with a good amount down. Even with half down, you’re still financing over $40K. I’m not surprised, though. As they say, there’s one born every minute! I do hope that it is selling well for you all and helping you all make it a good year!
Interesting info. I would think though that a lot of that has to do though with car prices being so insane now, and Lexus marketing to off road or camping users for some reason nowadays. Lexus is marketing their GX's to the hipster offroad crowd, same as the Bronco, Jeep and 4Runner. They're younger than the all cash true luxury car crowd. Lexus isn't the true UPSCALE brand that they used to be. I'm not really sure why they got away from that honestly.
The new Toyota trucks are the same price as a damn Lexus and you can sell those to the offroad crowd. So I'm super confused about where Lexus is trying to go as a brand.
Although not the normal Lexus customer they have to sell a lot more vehicles
The true Lexus owner is going to buy the luxury plus. Luxury plus should be more on par with the 2023 luxury. Give them a year or 2 to dial it in and the 550 will be exceptional
My father in law was ready to write a check for a $110,000 Lincoln Navigator last year. They actually declined him because they wanted to make their 2-3% cut on interest.
So when you say that new customers aren’t cash buyers, how sure are you that your bosses aren’t pushing for financing?
Continuous improvement. Lets hope Lexus gets the memo and they improve the 550 and make it more worthy of the Lexus name.
It’s easy to make huge improvements when you’re starting from something so mundane to begin with. 😂
@@georgeg1947let’s hope they “wake” up and fix the error of there current ways.
My Lexus dealership gave me this book when I picked up my wife’s new lx600 the other day. I’ve got the gx460 from 2022, and am not planning on trading it for the gx550. Glad to hear your validation of this plan. The lx interior is top notch, btw.
Very cool! Im so glad they still have them there… they ought to give LEXUS CORPORATE a copy of it too since they seem to have forgotten what they’re supposed to be doing.
The tx is best of the new redesigned Lexus it’s a nice big roomy suv it drives well but would not call it a luxury car buts it perfectly good slightly higher end grand highlander it definitely a bit nicer then the high end telluride or palisade and i think it be their best seller
Just purchased a 23 GX 460 Premium, and this makes me a proud owner.
Keep it forever! There’s nothing like it on the market anymore.
Lexus is no longer a luxury brand. I think Toyota is making a big mistake.
I think they’re entering their Infiniti phase. While Infiniti enters their Lexus phase. 😂
@@joshjamescars😅
@@joshjamescars i remember when Infiniti was cool in the 90s. Things come into the fashion and out.
@rxl77 To each their own, but in my book, Lexus is falling out of fashion for anyone who cares about quality beyond the badge.
@@joshjamescars Genesis is the new Lexus.
I'm so glad your videos convinced me to grab a 460 two months ago when stocks were dwindling. Thank you for making such informative videos.
AWESOME! And congrats! I’m so glad to hear so many people were able to grab one while they could. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel! :)
Thanks for the video - the folks who are most excited about this vehicle are the ones who don't own the GX460 - they have not experienced the overall refinement of that vehicle, including the surefooted handling, even in inclement weather, and the interior build quality and materials. Its also very quiet even at speed, something you really appreciate over time.
sadly that seems true based on these early production reviews 😢
@CeeJay591 Could not agree more. I also don’t think the demographic who’s buying them cares about all the things that you mention above that we care about.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for responding! :) So, the real question is who will buy the non-overtrail trims? I can’t see the Bronco/Wrangler/4runner crew buying a Luxury+
@CeeJay591 I know! People who care about appearances, care only about the badge, and what it says about them to others, I think. Sadly, there are a lot of them out there, to George’s point.
@@joshjamescars We’ll see - the real kicker is the price increases across the board - looking at the recent market trends for the new Tundra and now the Tacoma Toyota might have some issues in moving these vehicles at these prices
Really good review. At first I thought you might be a "company man" type that would hide vehicle deficiencies, but no, you were honest and upfront. Really appreciate that!
I think “the company” would love it if I drove myself right off a cliff LOL. 😂 Glad you enjoyed!
Excellent review. This is the first one I've seen pointing out cheapening in materials etc. Appreciated.
Thank you! And I know, judging by the comments most people think the same thing I do but no one else has said it in reviews.
Bro, don’t stop making content! Love this channel so much
Thank you so much! I’m so glad you’re enjoying!
the silliest joy I get from the GX460 is trashing it offroad then returning to pavement minutes later feeling like I'm in a early 90s Lincoln Towncar. I have to look at the car to convince myself it's the same car. The refinement of KDSS is amazing, along with the now missing lux in this GX550. No e-kdss and 3rd row option is unforgivable. Feels like Lexus of Japan gave too much power to their American arm. Kinda like the downfall of SEGA back in the day. Thank you for the excellent comparison. Our 22 Sienna has that same fake plastic wood. lol...
Haha! I love this! And I agree completely like the increase in capability didn’t have to come with a decrease in luxury.
I think that's exactly what it is. American penny pinchers cheapen everything. It's throughout our productions.
And I thought I was the only one noticing the same...
American Lexus is becoming like FCA mid 2000.
Sega of Japan killed sega not the American division……
I’ll never sell my GX460. Love everything about it except the mpg’s
Everything you said is what I experienced on a quick demo drive. The vibrations at idle and the ride showed the car isn't ready.
Oh man, sad to hear that the vibration is actually a common thing. If you haven’t read about the V35A recall and issues it sounds like that vibration may be coming from the engine. Which is NOT something I’d want ever want to buy into.
I love this video!!! Great job, giving an actual opinion, not just regurgitating back what Lexus says, which is unfortunately the reality of most “reviews.”
Ugh, I know. Most “reviews” are just advertising these days parading as consumer advice. Especially all of the Toyota specific content creators.
Wow! What a great review! Thanks for the high quality content
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed!
I hope the folks at Lexus see this video, especially the beginning where the book is discussed and what they maybe “used” to pursue.
I’ve been waiting to see what the new GX would bring, as I’ve been contemplating getting rid of my 958 GTS. Think I’ll keep it for now. I did find 3 new GX460s in Richmond, VA..at least listed on the web. Maybe I’ll check if they are still available and consider that.
Aw man… a GX and that Cayenne would be my perfect set, but the GX460 is terrific as well so I can understand wanting to replace it. I would absolutely buy a GX ASAP if you want one, though. I suspect once people start driving the 550, 460 resale will get more expensive.
Josh, I totally agree, the 2024 Toyota Highlander has a nicer interior, in my opinion.
Fact!
Yes!!! I entirely agree with this. I actually think both Highlander and Grand Highlander have nicer interiors (especially with the caramel brown color) than RX and TX now too.
@@joshjamescars I like the light color and headliner of your 460 better but like the exterior of the 550 better. I am testing a 550 tomorrow and your video gives me some good points to be aware of. Thank you
Great review👍🏾, …..not what I wanted to hear , but you’re really detailed , unbiased and professional
Thank you so much! But also, if you love it, buy it, because you’ll love it. Just because I don’t love it doesn’t mean no one should buy it. :)
Hi Josh! Oh no, what has Lexus done? I was not aware of a Lexus book, considering having 3 in my household and one is 2005 no one in the showroom ever mentioned there was one available.
In regard to the quality of the GX550 I’m not surprised at the lack of luxury creature features. I’m quite sure Toyota/Lexus is not the only manufacturer that has cut quality. After going to an auto show last year there was nothing that stood out like oh my I’ve got to have it. The only thing that was noticeable was how many screens some had on the dash board. One was the Grand Wagoneer . How many dashboard screens do you need? We had a Tacoma as a rental for about two weeks and it was straight up bouncy and was like something from the 1960’s in the ride quality. At any rate, thank you for taking the time to review this vehicle. I hope there are not recall issues based on the flaws you mentioned. Have a great weekend.
The book was a special gift that some dealers would would gift to their customers, so I don’t think it was ever available to buy. Someone said they just got one from their dealer last week, though! So sounds like it may still be around. It’s a great read if you can find one.
Also, I completely agree. I will say, as I write this there’s an Infiniti QX60 in my driveway that has BLOWN ME AWAY, and a new QX80 is coming though it’s much larger and way more expensive, of course.
Hope you have a wonderful weekend as well! Cheers!
Josh, you provide the absolute best critiques and thoughtful Lexus observations I have ever come across.
I had a 2019 4Runner and now have a 2023 GX. I’m so glad I got the ‘23, thanks in part to your insightful commentaries which bring to light subtle product nuances that are apparent after extended use but not always on first blush.
Hey, Stephen! Thank you for always watching and for the kind words! I do remember you getting the GX, and I’m so glad I was able to play a part in your new GX and glad you got one while you could!
I really liked your video in general because it was an in-depth video about every single detail about the new GX 550. Keep up the good work ❤
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
I’m glad I got the 2023 GX 460 Luxury with Sport package last year. I went from a 2021 4 Runner TRD Off Road Premium to the GX.
Congrats!! I am SO glad so many of us were able to buy a GX460 last year while we could.
@lozada1971 Absolutely, me too. I traded in the same year and model 4 runner as you for a 2023 GX460 w/the premium plus package. Josh knows, the best decision I made, no regrets.
@BigdogLarry Yessss! You’re one of my OG viewers and I’m so glad it’s treating you well!
Excellent video and presentation. Thank you for your work
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much Josh………my GX 460 will be staying with me……and I too, love the wood and the refinement of my 460. Take good care.
Thank you for watching! And yes, same here! You take care as well. :)
Love that you referenced this book. I own that book and while I understand that things change but it does see like these new lexus vehicles have gotten away from the original mission.
Thank you! And yes, same here. I also just don’t understand why they felt they needed to put the Lexus badge on these. That comes with an expectation and frankly I’d rather have the Toyota and Land Cruiser badges on it anyway!
The cost of a new Toyota Tacoma is in Lexus territory.
Yes!! That whole situation is absolutely absurd too.
I understand why Lexus made KDSS standard on the overtrail since it provides maximum wheel articulation, which is needed when off-road, but they should have had it available as an option on the other trims.
I agree. I actually think it should be optional on all trims. It’s a bitch to take it out if you want to modify the suspension, though, which is why I thought it made sense that it wasn’t on the 4R TRD Pro.
you made great points about the kdss system and the lack of it in half of the trims of the newer gx550.
Great and honest review Josh. As you know, I’m very happy I got my 2023 GX 460 when I did, just like you, no regrets. Love it!
Hey Larry! YES!! I’m so glad you were able to get yours when you did. I can actually remember exactly when you replied and said you’d pulled the trigger and taken delivery!
Very impressive review! Really appreciate the detail in terms of platform, transmission, etc. I haven't seen your content before but definitely gave you a sub!
Thank you! And welcome aboard! I’m just a random hobbyist TH-camr who enjoys making videos in my spare time away from my day job. This video happened to take off because so many people are interested in the 550.
Thank you for the honest review. I had noticed every reviewer was given a GX with KDSS or the adaptive suspension. The rest of the GX trims handle like trash on the road, explains why they held back on those. We had a reservation from June 2023 and after we drove the first premium+ GX that hit our dealer lot, we cancelled it.
Soooooooooooo happy I got my Blackline Nori Green GX 460 last year. It is a fantastic all around package I greatly enjoy driving.
Congrats!!! That is going to be a real special one in the future since that color was so rare.
Even if you had $100,000 to spend, you can’t really buy a nice Lexus anymore, and that’s sad.
Maybe the LC500, but how many years do we have left of the V8?
REALLY! Spot on!
Awesome review! ;) Suggesting that the 550 is a better or more premium 4Runner makes total sense in my mind.
The hood shutter would drive me crazy, and there are many owners complaining about that issue. I guess it's pretty common in vehicles today. One thing is for sure, the Overtrail/+ sure look cool. 😎
Thank you!! And yeah, it’s also because of the physics of how wind hits the car and that big square hoods aren’t aerodynamic and so there’s a ton of force being exacted on that big square piece of metal at speed. Our GX460s’ more rounded edges do wonders for aerodynamics.
So true, I drove my mom’s 2024 NX350h extensively this week, honestly I’m more than a little disappointed when the door panel rattles very noticeably driving on some rough pavement. On the same road my IS 350, which is still an old school Lexus, drive in absolute silence. Heck, even my Tacoma and 4Runner don’t rattle like that.
That’s exactly why I traded my NX350h after only 6 months! I thought okay a hybrid from Lexus will be rav4 efficiency with Lexus Refinement. Nope, not anymore.
Nice video man. Kept it real. Same experience as mine
Thank you! That’s the whole brand over here. :) And yep… sadly sounds like you, me, and about 80% of other people all had the same experience.
I have owned a Lexus since they began. I’ve owned a ls400, rx350, lx470, and lastly a gx460. I had money down and was waiting for the new gx550. The more I read about the new overhaul the more I became disappointed. I cancelled my order and switched to a Genesis gv80. I’m so happy I did. It is the luxury I was used to with a Lexus. Lexus is nothing more that an average truck and a cheaper car. Took all the luxury out and charging a stupid amount of money for plastics. My Genesis is fantastic. Glad I made the switch.
GV80 feels special inside. PLUS lots of options for interior colours.
Good for you!! Whenever I do decide to get something else, I will absolutely be going elsewhere. I just had the Infiniti QX60 in for review and for less than an RX or GX, it has a MUCH nicer interior plus the classic naturally aspirated V6 feel I loved so much with older Lexus cars.
This is another great review...you are so right, as a 4Runner owner, I find the GX550( trail+) the best upgrade for me...
Yes! For a 4Runner owner, I think you’ll love it. But definitely consider the Land Cruiser too. For about $10K less (OT+ to loaded LC trim) you really don’t lose out on much.
this is the best analysis i’ve seen on the new GX. i saw another video that mentioned issue with rear air system
Thank you! There are a number of issues that give me pause about the GX. The V35A engine which is shared with LS500, Tundra, and Sequoia has also had issues.
Josh; your authenticity and honesty will set you apart from other reviewers who are in it to get sponsored from big corps. Ironically, your videos are like old Lexus-good quality and integrity. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! Like you say, I’m not in it for that. This TH-cam channel is just a fun side hobby for me and I’ve always wanted it to just be me experiencing the cars like any normal customer would!
Thanks for this review. Would like to also see you review the driving for the Overtrail trim.
Yes! I definitely want to get an Overtrail to see how it stacks up!
I've been waiting for this!
Totally agree with your unbiased review, it's not the Lexus as before. More money, but with too many cheap plastics and worse quality control. Lexus should offer KDSS on all GXs.
Yes!! Definitely.
Im glad I got a 2022 GX460 Luxury with 8k miles.. without even knowing how disappointing the new GX550 was going to be. I understand that when it comes to preference its a matter of opinion, but when you have the facts lined up in front of you its impossible not to make an informed decision unless you are biased or paid to promote something that clearly is not up to par with Lexus traditional quality. I like your reviews, not only in this instance, but previous ones as well. Thanks for keeping us alert and informed
Thank you so much, I’m so glad you’ve enjoyed! And that’s fantastic that you got a Luxury when you did. And yes, exactly to preferences may differ but objectively this is not up to par for a luxury vehicle.
You really lucked out! The GX 460 is a 'forever' vehicle.
I think you nailed it when you said that this GX is tailored more toward the people that are off-road-focused. A lot of your criticisms may actually be good for off-roading. A tan suede headliner will get filthy loading things in and out, camping, etc. Plastic is easier to clean and replace when they inevitably get scratched and dirty when camping, etc.
I 100% agree and that’s also why I feel like this has the wrong badge. All of my criticisms would also be more than acceptable in a mainline Toyota branded vehicle (which could come with pricing maybe $5-10K lower). Luxury off-roader has always been something of an oxymoron IMO.
Wow. I can’t believe Lexus went this route. I have a 2022 GX and love the refinement of it. I never once thought about getting the new one because I hate the design but definitely won’t even entertain it now.
Haha! I don’t mind the new design but I don’t think it looks very lexus. I definitely prefer the design of the 460 with its bright work and more refined lines.
Amen- Lexus took the Lexus luxury out of the GX and transformed it into a 4Runner! No thank you!
Keep the contents coming, Josh. I’m really enjoying your reviews. Hopefully you’d do a comparison review of this with the new QX80.
Thank you! And yes! Definitely going to try to get the keys to a new QX80 as soon as they hit the dealer. That said, I don’t think you can compare that and the GX550. They’re SO different. One is a purpose built, non-luxury off-roaster. The other is a serious on-road ultra luxury vehicle.
For the same price, we recently picked up a CPO LX 570 instead of the GX 550. So glad we did…
I love, love, love the LX570. I went with the 460 just because I don’t need that much space but if I did, I’d 100% have the LX too! Keep it forever! The new LX600 is great but the engine is nowhere near as reliable as the V8.
Thanks for the great analysis Josh. As a current 5th gen 4Runner owner, I think you’re spot on with your comment about this appealing to folks looking to upgrade for an overlanding vehicle. Currently considering the 6th gen 4Runner, GX550 and LC.
Thank you! I’d rule out the GX. I said before I thought it was a better value than the LC but I’m going back on that now. For $69K you can get the Land Cruiser Trim with the one options package that gives you everything, and I think I’d rather have that with the 4-cylinder. The V35A TT V6 has had a lot of problems and the engine behavior and vibrations in the car in the video weren’t confidence inspiring. The new 4Runner would also be a great choice and probably way more reasonable price wise.
@@joshjamescars I appreciate the feedback about the V6 issues. Reliability is the main reason I’ve kept my 4Runner for +250k miles.
Oh yeah you definitely want to keep the 1GR-FE in that case! And wait 2-3 years on any of these new ones. All of Toyota’s new trucks are having issues, which isn’t entirely unexpected since they are quite literally all new from the ground up.
Josh, thanks for the extensive review. Was considering a new GX 550 (I have a 2017 - GX 460) given the new design and new tech. Staying with my vehicle as I do love it. Appreciate it, as you re-affirmed what I was concluding given the current RX new design. Have a great summer!
Thank you for watching, glad it helped you make a decision! And yes, could not agree more with the old vs new RX. Probably the biggest disappointment of the past few years for me as the old V6 RX was in my top five favorite vehicles and always a recommendation, but not anymore. I’d definitely keep your 2017 or if you do need a new car, maybe finding an almost new 2023 GX460.
I was only interested in a new model GX for the improvements in tech and Apple car play which the new models have. Might have a new head unit installed to have that. Thanks for the recs. I LOVE MY WOOD STEERING WHEEL TOO! Like Savage Geese (auto TH-camr said - your Lexus GX will outlast you! For people who have had all the cars already and want something luxurious and absolutely reliable and will not break.
You can get CarPlay in the 2022-23 GX460 too! That was one reason I held off on buying until 2023 so that I could get the new screen and it had a year of time to mature. IMO the 23 is probably the best year to buy. Even the upgrades made in 2020 and 2022 have been fully worked out and we still got the V8.
Great video! Loved how honest you are and how you provide info on what you notice and feel and like and dislike without it seeming like you’re completely bashing the brand/vehicle. I am currently on the list for a GX550 with my local dealer. I have previously owned two 4th gen V8 4Runners, which I loved. I have driven a 2023 GX and felt like I was driving more of a soft riding car, which is not what I expected it to feel like. After watching your review on this, I think I will be very happy with the new GX. I am looking to step up from a 4th gen 4Runner, but have never been super in love with the 5th gen 4Runner. And I don’t want to go to Toyotas new 4 cylinder 6th gen 4Runner and think their new Landcruiser is hideous. I really hope that this new GX is that step up I want, but still brings in the roughness that the older 4Runners had that drove like a truck vs a huge car. Thank you for the great video that was informative but not obnoxious. I know I may be one of the few who is looking forward to the features this has. I’ve never owned a GX before this, but I think you got its absolutely right in that this will cater to those of us past 4Runner owners who are looking for a step ip from them. I personally am a HUGE Toyota fan and have owned several of them and I want to stay in a brand/family that’s reliable. Totally agree that previous GX owners are not going to love these changes, but again as a previous 4Runner owner, I’m so excited for it.
Hello! Thank you for watching and for the kind words, and glad this was helpful to you! I think you’ll really like the new GX! Before you commit, however, do read up on the myriad of problems that the V35A engine is having in the Tundra and LX600. The GX does use different turbos, but a design flaw in the engine block (which is shared with tundra and LX600) seems to be the root cause of the issues. Personally I’d give it at least 2 years for them to address the issues in their other trucks before I’d feel confident sinking this much money into a vehicle.
At the rate it’s going I don’t think I’d get one this anyways. We only have 2 local dealers here and they have a long wait list. And I requested a white in a luxury+. I have heard about the concerns with the engine/turbo issues. My thought is that if there is an issue, it’s warrantied and if it’s a recall issue it’ll be fixed/corrected by Lexus. So while I totally get this, I don’t know that it’s a huge deterrent for me. Play I sold my 4Runner almost a year ago to save up for this lol.
Excellent commentary.
I just bought a 21' gx 460 last week. The old infotainment doesn't bother me. Hardly use it in any car. Got it at a great price in great condition. Hope to have it for the next 20 years or more
Same here! I have CarPlay in my 23 and can count on one hand how many times I’ve used it… as long as I have sat nav I’m set.
Just did my first test drive of the GX550 premium trim. I have a deposit on an OT+ due in this summer. I currently drive an x7 and was not expecting it to compare since they are totally different vehicles. I have owned FJ cruiser,100 and 200 series Land Cruisers. I liked it better than the FJ and felt more more connected to the road than a 200 series. The interior is okay but not luxurious. It was what I expected and went into it with more timid expectations
I think for your use, you’ll love it. And I hope the OT+ rides better with the eKDSS system in place. That was my biggest issue with the one I drove (beyond the interior). Also, I’m guessing reliability isn’t a huge issue for you, but definitely do some googling about the V35A engine and its issues so you know what to look out for in your ownership of the GX.
This is new GX is what the new 4Runner should have been. That being said, I'm glad I went with a 2024 Limited to keep the NA V6 with bulletproof reliability. All of these twin turbo / Hybrid will never last as long. If I need a better infotainment system, there are like 20 different options I can pick for the 4R that don't require a subscription. Toyota/Lexus is forgetting it's roots and it's heartbreaking.
100% agree with “this is what the new 4Runner should have been” sentiment! And it’s not just longevity, some of these new V35A engines are having issues before they’ve even hit 50K.
Hey I’m a 5th Gen 4Runner owner who just sold my overlanding 4R for a GX. I loved my 4R but it’s sooo played out and became a dime a dozen and couldn’t stand it anymore. But as a smart “pursuit of perfection” person who’s owned 7 Toyotas in my lifetime, I do my homework very well and bought the tried and true last great V8, a 23 GX460. Didn’t fall for the overhyped GX550 trap and and drank the kool aid and never looked back. So the buyers?Who will buy the GX 550 will be uninformed, don’t care, have more $$ than 🧠s kinda folks or 4Runner owners who are all the above.😂. Great review! Everyone seems to be saying the same negative things about the 550 and don’t forget the potential major engine disaster on this V35 engine that people have been talking about that’s already happening on the Tundra and LS with the same motor.
Best decision ever! I will admit that’s part of why I don’t regret selling my 4Runner as well. And as for the 550 buyers? 100%. 🤣
I'm surprised the amount of GX fans that have no idea what KDSS is and what it does. As soon as I saw only the Overtrail trims come with "E-KDSS" I realized the truth of how much more expensive this new GX-550 (despite all it's cost cutting). I'm keeping my '22 GX460 in Nori Green a long time.
Although not interested in buying the new GX550, I have watched the intro of it and the Land Cruiser 250 since I have a 2018 Land Cruiser 200 and a 2021 GX460. I think your analysis of the changes is spot on. The 200 and the GX have a richness of both visual and tactile quality that seems to be missing from the new models. I am not a fan of black interiors (my 200 has the Terra and the GX is the Sepia) and I wonder if your impressions will change any with a different color scheme. Keep up the great work.
Thank you! I definitely think a light interior is needed here. And for that reason, I actually think the Land Cruiser 250 with the brown interior looks more upscale, like your Terra interior. But in the Lexus I think it also needs some kind of woodgrain or brushed aluminum trim or carbon fiber-anything to make it feel more bespoke Like if they just swapped the “black grained trim” for aluminum or something, and then paired that with a brown or red interior, it would be so much better. I also think a light headliner would do wonders for the models that don’t get the pano roof.
Disappointing to see the elimination of E-KDSS across a majority of trim levels likely as a cost reduction measure. Can the body roll issues be combatted by a large diameter aftermarket sway bar?
It might be, but that could also compromise capability off road if the car is locked into a more rigid position (which might be fine for people who never intend to leave the pavement).
Good video!!
Love my 460 not going for 550
I have a 2014 fully loaded RX450h. The interior is just like your GX460 ; all milky white leather and a lot of wood. They are really nice! Recently I bought a fully loaded TX350. The interior is just okay. My old RX is way better than New TX. Other new models like RX and NX they all have the same not so premium interior! I don’t know what is going on with LEXUS now. The price of the car goes higher and higher; but the quality of materials they use goes lower and lower.
Yes! I had a 23 NX hybrid that had an interior like the TX. Sold it after only 6 months because exactly like you say, the price goes higher but the quality goes lower.
Very good analysis! Thank you
Thank you!
For the same price, I can buy BMW X5 and enjoy the drive as well as the quality interior. I am done with Lexus. Shame on you Lexus.
Yep! Exactly! Or for the same kind of interior quality you can also get any random Toyota for a good $30K less.
And be in the shop half of the year
@smirin7078 I have kept my 5 series for one decade with very few problems. Sure, Toyota products last longer, but charging BMW price for Toyota quality? Come on! Lexus is a step up from Toyota just like Audi is a step up from Volkswagen.
Unfortunately you are 100% correct - the X5 is the replacement for the GX460. Its very highly rated and one of the most reliable BMWs.
As a former BMW fanboy now Lexus GX460 owner, the X5 is one of the most polished vehicles sold today. And it’s beautiful to look at. For the same money the X5 wins. I’d predict if you are going to drive 150,000 miles or less the BMW won’t be any more expensive to operate.
I never drove a V6 hybrid RX but I drove a Lexus RX350h with that 4 cylinder shared with Camry and Rav4. I got to say driving on slight incline or accelerating lightly the e-CVT and engine drone is quite loud for a $70k CAD vehicle. Otherwise very quiet and smooth but your videos showcase bigger engines are less stressed moving a lot weight. Similarly, a ES350 (V6) and ES300h (4 cyl) showed me the V6 stayed silent and was much faster. Idk if it's a Toyota hybrid thing but the engine drone is apparent... The ride quality of Lexus to me is not as cushy soft, very bumpy in the ES. The RX350h was cushy but you could feel the road but handling in both models was better than my Mazda3 2014. Mazda3 (2019 +) feels smooth and quiet as a Lexus. Thoughts?
Yes! Everything you say here is true. The ES doesn’t have a cushy ride because it’s meant to be more of a drivers sedan versus an RX which is a comfort oriented luxury SUV. The ES used to have a more comfortable ride when the GS was still around to fill the midsize sports sedan class but since the GS was discontinued, the ES has to be both for those for whom an IS would be too small.
@@joshjamescars Hey Josh - your opinion matters! I shared this video on the GX550 group on Facebook. Many didn't like the video/are owners/fanboys. But some also agreed with you. You're not sponsored by Lexus so you tell the truth. They agreed the interior is very cheaply made and feels rushed. Regarding your assessment the hybrid and V6 ES 2022 are very quiet but the I4 Hybrid is dronely. Ride quality on 19" rims very stiff for a $70k CAD car. I mean it absorbs bumps you can definitely feel the ridges, cracks and bumps. It's not cancelled out or smoothed out like it was in 2024 RX350h and 2019 Mazda3 sedan/HB I drove. The Mazda truly impressed me. You got to drive one. I have a 2014 Mazda3 which is stiff, loud. Opposite of the new Mazda3. Very hushed/low noise - almost Lexus-like for $40k CAD less. The Mazda3 2019 dare I say it is cushy over bumps that it's better than ES 2019 +. 🤩It's super small though and poor visibility.
Nice explanation where others never pointed out on the suspension and interior mistakes, EVERYTHING is getting cheaply made more and more while prices go up!
Maybe the Overtrail with the E-KDSS and the smaller rims would make for a better ride? I'm wondering. That is a great, thoughtful and thorough review. Thanks for that, Josh. Cheers.
Hello, and thank you! That would be my hope as well… Although after this went up, I watched The Topher’s drive of the Overtrail and he said he didn’t feel any difference with the eKDSS which is a little concerning. I guess only a test drive would fully confirm. Cheers to you!
I agree with you, million percent my friend and thank you for a great video
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
This will be first Lexus...4runner now....I think you made the difficult video nobody wanted to hear. I appreciate it...I need to be armed with legitimate info...good video...thank you.
Thank you! And thanks for watching! As a 4Runner owner, I think you’ll love it. However, do your homework on the V35A recall that was just announced, impacting Tundra and LX600 right now. That poor engine is having all kind of issues and so I would absolutely give this GX at least 2 years before investing so much money in it.
I was looking the prices of the 2016/2022 ES350/RX350/GX450 with v6/v8...they still holding their value 20k/40k plus.
YES! People tell me all the time any nice, low mileage V6 RX350 is going for a very pretty penny. I’m sure your ES will be the same way whenever the next ES comes out.
Proud owner of one of the "end of the line" 2023 GX 460s. Build date 12 OCT 23, an Eminent White Pearl over Sepia Premium Plus. I owned a 2019 4Runner SR5 prior to that, and your videos helped finalize my decision to sell my 4Runner and get the GX. I have zero regrets regarding the vehicle itself, although sometimes I wish I had gotten the bench seat in the 2nd row instead of captains chairs. The GX is so much better for families that will actually utilize the 3rd row (we have 4 young kids). The rear AC unit, the 3rd row AC vents and light, the greater headroom for the driver and more comfortable seats, the better ride, the V8/6AT vs. the V6/5AT, all make for a significantly better vehicle than the 4Runner, which I was initially very hesitant to get rid of. If Lexus gets the GX 550 "right" in the next 5 years or so, I may possibly consider trading in my 460. But from what I'm seeing right now, they have a long way to go before that's going to happen.
Amazing!! I’m so glad you were able to get one while you still could! And yes, the GX is great for all the reasons you mention there! I think as your kids get older, though, you may want to look at a Grand Highlander or TX. As much as I don’t care for the TX it is way, way more practical for families who need the additional space for more people and their things. The cargo room behind the third row in the TX, for example is much larger than the GX. Also definitely keep an eye on the new QX80. That would be the best upgrade path from your GX460 (which you should keep alongside if possible). Cheers!!
@@joshjamescars yeah, the TX is definitely on my radar. We're lucky in that the GX is our "second" car, not our primary family hauler. We have a Honda Odyssey for that, which is what my wife drives for all of her "soccer mom" duties. Since it's paid off she doesn't want to get rid of it, at least for the time being. But I'm already dropping hints that the TX would make a great upgrade over the Odyssey lol. I actually work at a dealership as a technician (not Lexus), the family that owns the dealership also sells Lexus and Infiniti, among other luxury brands, but not Toyota. (If you're in TX I'm sure you've heard of the dealership family; I'm in the DFW area.) So with our employee discount, the TX would actually be cheaper than the GH (or at least close enough in price that it's a no-brainer). I've never been much of a fan of Infiniti, so...meh. But that decision is probably 2-3 years down the road, so...who knows!
My 2004 Lexus had issues with the cracking peeling polyurethane dashpad but, for a V6 CUV it has great pickup, fuel economy, and ease of driving. 235HP and 245 ft-lbs from a 3MZ-FE with a sweet sound despite only a 5900 rpm redline. I also love the wood trim and plush genuine leather seats. If I buy a Lexus, I'd go for an older model. The NX200T and NX300 are amazing, and since it's a smaller CUV, the 2.0T engine it comes with is plenty for this vehicle. I'd take a 2015 NX200T over a new GX550 any day no matter what. Even the 2018-2024 Lexus ES350 is much more premium than the GX550. But really wished Lexus made an ES F with the 3.4L twin turbo V6 but bumped up to 479 HP from 389 HP, a 7000 rpm redline, transversely mounted instead of longitudinal, and a mini V12 sound. Lexus really needs to bring back the pursuit of perfection slogan and really act on it.
Great, extensive review Josh. Covered a lot of points other Toyota fan-boys did not.
Thank you! I’m honestly less and less a fanboy with every new car they put out.
Totally agree. Its the main reason we bought our 2023 gx460. Wife was worried what she would replace it with, and it will not be a 550.
Great choice! Exact reason I bought mine!
the 4Runner conclusion is spot-on. I’d be surprised if anyone willingly goes from a GX460 to a GX550, unless you really really want the wireless apple carplay 😂. I saw one in person today in green and it is attractive but … I’m not going to wear a very nice, expensive Patagonia shirt to eat at a 5-star restaurant (if that makes sense). The GX just has a different aim now I guess :(
That analogy is SPOT on, exactly how I felt. It’s funny I even try to dress more nicely to go to the Lexus dealer (not formal but you know), and I got into the 550 and was like … why am I dressing up to come see this twin turbo 4Runner?
I suppose this is really a matter of perspective. I am coming from a 2016 Ram 3500 turbo diesel dually I love the look and feel of the GX 550 Overtrail and feel like I'm sitting in the lap of luxury. I have absolutely no regrets.
As I always say, buy what you love and if you love it, I’m so happy for you! That’s all that matters, and congrats on the new GX!
Excellent point on the KDS, that is the one thing I value in my current GX Luxury 460...I am so disappointed as I was hopeful for the GX 550...
My sentiment exactly!
For example, the rear wiper placement and the bulge left in the opening (where the motor of the rear wiper is) when the window is popped open is unacceptable.
It is such a major design flaw from a functionality standpoint and design standpoint that I'm shocked.
It's shocking that they haven't tucked away the rear wiper thereby removing the bulge and making the rear window opening when popped open, flat and more useful.
That is a single reason. I am leaning towards a 4runner and not a" luxury" Lexus.
That’s actually the same way it is on the GX460. It needs to be there to latch the door in place to the lift gate. Although I completely agree about not hiding the wiper. Even the 4Runner kept it up in the spoiler. Also, the 4Runner should be a much better value, even though it will probably be expensive.
Yes. However, I wish they would have made that design change to have the window more functional and roll down like the 4Runner rather than pop up.
Thereby eliminating that bulge and making the space much more useful.
I've also watched a few videos from TH-camr tinkerers (I think that's his name) th-cam.com/video/1XdaccfMxn4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MUKfsUOPFK7GxifH. and a few other owners that reiterate your issues. Hood rattling, engine noise, etc..
And point out some engine block issues that mechanics are seeing...
I'm going to wait for a few years for them to work out the kinks before I consider a Lexus again. Or I'll have to move to another brand.
Beyond stupid idea re the placement; tucking it up under the spoiler would also protect it from ice, freezing rain, etc.
Josh- your attention to the detailed differences that made Lexus stand out as the premier Japanese luxury brand- well they stood out in this review. You bought the book, and you understand Lexus core values. It’s the relentless pursuit of perfection vs “un-Lexus-like.” My 2019 GX460 Luxury embodies the former. It’s why I absolutely love it, and feel like a rich man driving it (even though I bought it used for less than a 4Runner). It’s just a solid, heavy duty, heirloom worthy piece of machinery. The 550 seems to be a different direction for Lexus. I think it’s still a great vehicle, and has a lot going for it (I love the looks). It does seem Lexus made compromises and lessened their heavy- duty-over-engineering approach. From the drivetrain, to the suspension, to the interior… just different. I don’t dislike the 550. I just love the 460. Thanks for your great content!
Thank you so much! Great choice buying the GX460 and for a deal, it sounds like! I share the exact same sentiments as you do-I don’t dislike the 550, but it really feels like it should be wearing a Toyota badge, because as a mainline car, I could forgive a lot of the things didn’t live up to the Lexus badge and GX460 experience. Plus with the V35A engine problems… I’d be staying far away from this for at least another year.
Great video , off topic though mind me asking where did you source your shades from ? Cool nice aviator looks
Thanks! They’re the classic RayBan aviators!
Thanks for the review. I’m keeping my LR Defender 110.
Thanks for your honest unbiased evaluation, your video just put the final nail in my GX550 dream. So disappointed with Lexus.
I’d maybe shift your dreams over to the new Land Cruiser. It’s expensive but at $69K nicely optioned that’s $3K less than this GX Premium I drove. And I can cut the Toyota way more slack because it is actually a Toyota.
I mean try to test drive it and see what you think... but so far everyone's has the same general fit/finish/feel complaints
@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD My big hang up is that the GX has the Lexus badge which used to mean something but the Land Cruiser having cheap plastics is fine since it’s a mainline Toyota vehicle. The new Prius is one of my favorite cars, also has crap materials, but is fine since it’s a Toyota. 😂
@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Yes I plan to test drive one. But I saw one at the Minneapolis auto show and I was a bit disappointed. It feels like my nephew's 2023 Rav4.
I own a porsche cayenne gts with a v8 engine and a MB Gle 450 ,both fully loaded.
The gx550 over-trail plus is an amazing car.
I love it and its my daily driver now.
I’m so glad I went with one of the last 460s instead of waiting on a 550.
Same here!
Yep- me too! I knew the new GX model was coming and the Lexus saleswoman told me that the new GX was going to drop the V8 engine and that the wait was going to be at least 6-12 months for the new model to arrive from Japan! She scheduled me for a GX 460 test ride and it was so smooth and rugged that I was sold on the GX 460- zero regrets!
We were on the fence about waiting for the 550 but since it was to be my wife's vehicle she decided on the 2023 GX460 Luxury in Pearl White with Ecru interior last fall. After watching this review I'm glad we didn't wait on the 550. Personally I'm not very happy with our '23 GX460 either (for many different reasons unrelated to the 550 which is another story entirely) - but after watching this I know I'd have been REALLY unhappy with the 550. My wife loves her 460 though, and since it's her baby it's all good.
Hey Josh - you're the outlier according to fanboys. Lexus GX550 interior is classy and still luxurious but they're fanboys who can't see the interior looks cheap for a $90k CAD vehicle... :( Agreed disappointed in the lack of wood, plastic leather and mostly black interior... Looks not much better than a Land Cruiser (itself very expensive) around $60-70k CAD...
I am, but I think one of the market problems Toyota has today is most Toyota fanboys are overlanders, off-roaders, and not luxury buyers. So they listen to them wax on about how macho and capable and departure angles are the most important thing in a new SUV and not folks like us who want luxury and comfort and refinement.
Also, having driven this GX I probably would put my money on the Land Cruiser. It’s still expensive AF but not as bad as this and even though the hybrid max is slow, it might not have the same transmission behavior I was seeing here.
Great video. I just subscribed.
Welcome aboard!!
I am in the market for a new SUV and I have seen several reviews of the GX550 and this was the realest review. I typically buy Infiniti but I wanted to look into Lexus to change things up and when I saw the interior I thought Toyota and not Lexus. As a person looking for Luxury I was highly disappointed in the GX550 and its interior. Base on what I have seen so far in the Infiniti QX80 I may be staying with Infiniti the interiors and even the exteriors are not in the same class but I need to see it in person.
OH NO. No, stick with Infiniti. I just had the QX60 in for review and last weekend got to go hands on with the new QX80 and there’s no comparison. Let me tell you, I’ve driven the new RX and hated it. Drove this new GX and didn’t walk away impressed. Got out of the QX60 and really didn’t want to give it back. The QX80 is too big for what I need, but if it works for you, it’s BEAUTIFUL.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for the feedback!
On the suspension front it followed the LX redesign. The LX600 you have to option in AHC, whereas all trims of the LX570 had this. I'm sure some Industrial Engineer (my major, not employed in that field anymore) got a promotion because they ran the numbers and this was cheaper for the company.
It betrays that Toyota standardization production as now your model mix is fragmented. For reliability and producibility you'd rather be making the same product all the time.
Interesting! I didn’t realize that. That’s actually really offensive given that LX is basically $100K+ for any desirable trim. The same is true of the Land Cruiser 200/300 too, though. And as for reliability… well that’s questionable at the moment on all these given issues that the Tundra/LX/300 series have been recalled for.
Josh, i just chanced on your video, and i 100% agree. I was at the New York auto show and was shocked by the cheap plastic interiors. No refinement whatsoever. I ended up emailing Lexus to warn them about this horrific direction, and they replied to my email. I hope they truly address this bad direction.No dash stitching, no wood?! It is terrible
Interesting!! What did they say to you in response??? I have so many questions about where they’re going because the direction of the brand seems… unclear at best.
@joshjamescars Part of what they said is below. Lexus is frankly a confused brand. Cross shopping is now occurring between a Lexus and a Kia rather than a Lexus and a Genesis. Very sad
"We regret to learn your expectations of Lexus have not been met and appreciate your candid feedback on the direction of the Lexus brand.
We have documented your comments and feedback on this topic, as it is through communications such as yours that we become aware of our customers' expectations and reactions. It also provides us with valuable insight when planning and developing future products and services to increase our customers' satisfaction."
Thank you for your honesty, I’ll take it a step further, this is a bad product, I test drove it and seeing the hood trembling at 70 mph, speaks volumes about quality and luxury , I mean lack of 😅
Hahahaha you said it, not me, but I’m glad you did. 🤣
I love my KDSS going offroad. But I am not road crawling. Mostly really rutted out fire trails hauling a camper trailer.
I watched your GX460 back to back just to compare and I could discern the differences. It would be nice if you would mimic the same route if you ever get a long term loaner.
Lexus jumped on the spartan bandwagon with more function over form. I can understand why the average buyer of the GX likes to elevate their commute and enjoy a bit of refinement on the way home.
Great review. If you ever get your hands on a Honda Pilot, I would definitely like your take on it.
I definitely will try to! But, weather conditions can also make a difference on the final video and audio too. And I love the Pilot, though right now I have an Infiniti QX60 in my driveway to review that is going to be very hard to give back, and which I’d buy over the MDX. Not sure if I’d buy the Pathfinder over the Pilot, though.
Great video as always. Agree 100%. I have a GX 460. The GX 550 is nice but the interior lost the elegance of the 460 and 470. Doesn’t look like a GX at all. They could have at least given the luxury trim the classic wood inlays and higher quality controls that made it unique. Also, the windshield will most likely be damaged by stones as it’s so vertical. Hopefully the V6 is more reliable than the Tundra. I wouldn’t touch one for at least 3-4 years. Even the newer models of the 460 got cheaper. Lost the leather seats, gear shift, dimming side mirrors, and molding that protected the doors. Lexus seems to be going downhill to me.
I’m 100% with you on not touching one for a while. And totally agree that they should have at least made the Luxury trim more premium. Maybe in 3-4 years they’ll have course corrected with a better interior, LOL! Anyhow, thanks, as always for watching
Love the vid. Your review's spot on. I test drove one and was surprised it was so bad, but it was. They're going to lose a lot of customers.
So glad I still have my 2014 LX570. I guess I will keep it until I am 6 feet under.
100% with you.
That’s why if u must absolutely really have this new gen platform, go for a base 1958 Land Cruiser and uplift it anyway you want.
New GX doesn’t even have interior footwell or ambient lighting :(
YES. Although THAT hard plastic interior in the 1958 is really insulting for $55K.
Wow, this is so appreciated. This is more and more evidence that Lexus has really dropped the ball and transformed the company's original ethos to conform to industry standards that (for whatever reason) are so low, you really have to wonder what is happening across the board to have such a widening disparity in the price to quality ratio. We clearly are not getting what we are paying for with this new vehicle.
I want to be optimistic and assume that maybe Toyota/Lexus put most of their R&D into their hybrid and electric portfolio because even a similarly priced RXh feels better put together than this.
Floaty boats and fantastic plastic are perfect choice phrases for this car!
Yes! Could not agree more! Although I do think other automakers are doing some really great things-and Lexus risks getting dumped in favor of them if it doesn’t get its act together! Though, Lexus has said that it intends to be a fully battery electric automaker by 2030 so I’m not really sure what their end game is. The GX definitely doesn’t have a place in that lineup, unless Toyota is going to make a full EV version of it.
Thanks for this review. Definitely seems like the GX460 is the way to go for a better on road experience!
Yessir! And if you need to go off-road the 460 can absolutely do that too with a few body modifications.