I just took the MSF and, thankfully, passed. I somehow made a 100 on the riding test despite never having driven a motorcycle or used any manual transmission before, but I definitely don't feel prepared to be on the road. We were on little bikes (I actually rode a Spade like yours), so it was probably a lot easier than being on a big ol' Harley. But I don't think the MSF is very beginner-friendly, in spite of what others say. They go pretty fast through all of the activities it can be daunting when everyone seems to be getting it due to years of experience while you're lagging behind.
You are correct on that. Many of these 'instructors' at MSF should not be teaching anyone at all. They don't have the skills to teach or the ability to understand that they are inviting new riders to take these courses when the 'instructors' do not have the patience to teach them the basics. The videos I have seen and input from new riders is they are cramming it all into a short amount of time and over loading the students. That is NOT how you teach anyone.
This was my experience as well. As a brand new newbie, having never driven a motorcycle or dirt bike and never driven a stick shift vehicle, this path was not the best for me. I got to Day 3 and realized that I was still struggling with the friction zone while not being completely comfortable on the bike. My instructors were awesome and patient but they still had to keep at their schedule. I will still pursue my motorcycle license but definitely down another path.
Same experience for me. I just bowed out after 3 hrs, day one. I couldn’t get comfortable and it was starting to become not fun. I wanted to stick around but I was falling far behind and slowing everyone down. I’m ok with my decision. Riding a motorcycle is not easy for riding virgins. A lot easier if you’ve had some practice.
@@wonderwoman4875 There were 20 people at mine and 10 quit by the third day. 5 failed the test, only 5 of us passed. Only two of us seemed competent, I was worried about the other three that passed.
You are the sweetest and so articulate. I, too, signed up for the HD msf and also due to Covid availability (or not!) at the college courses. My class isn't til next month, but I so appreciate your review! Very helpful 💗
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m an aspiring rider and have no experience. I was thinking of taking the MSF at HD but I might look into a community college. I’m 5’1 110 lbs so I know those HD bikes will be way too big. I also have GAD and someone telling you that’s not an excuse is not helpful. I’m glad you weren’t discouraged and kept riding.
MSF is a huge ask for new riders. It's either hot or cold, its a ton of hours, its a blitz of information. I passed the test with 100% due to prior experience but a lot of the other people had a lot of trouble. Also I totally get your anxiety. I actually also had a ton of anxiety and the only bathroom was a porta-potty which sucked. After all that I have already wrecked my first bike after only a few weeks. Me and the bike are ok I just have to replace my turn signal. Just make sure you practice a lot and take everything slow. No reason to try and get low in corners too fast like my dumb ass.
800+ dollars, and 2 weekends gone too shit all cause of how bullshit their testing system is. Failed the class twice, first time was understandable, but the second time I did it I only hit one cone on one of the “tasks” and it caused me to fail. An instructor in training took the class that has rode for 30+ years and failed, in fact I did better than him lmfao. Completely bs would not recommend taking from Harley Davidson.
So glad that you was not discouraged from trying again and that you had the courage to take the class. I hope that you finished your practice and got your full license. I took the class in August 2021 and was able to get my waiver but no bike yet..
I took the MSF course. Having never been on a motorcycle or scooter in my life, I can tell you it was a terrible experience. I felt exactly the way you did. Did not help that some people were just breezing through the course while I was struggling. Failed the course, but I am still determined to get my endorsement. Going to purchase a small bike and practice on my own. While I can’t say I did not learn anything, I would never suggest anyone take one of these courses if you’ve never been on a bike or scooter. These courses are for refinement. Not beginners. Don’t be fooled.
Actually, the MSF course is for the person who wouldn't know a motorcycle from a crock pot. They've even dumb ed down the course so much so that when you pass it, you'll need to spend many more hours in a parking lot on a little 125cc bike before ever venturing out in traffic lest you get your self killed. If you failed this easy little course the best thing to do is get a bicycle and practice all the exercises you did in the course until you can do them with ease. Then, get a private lesson from one of the MSF instructors on the smallest 125cc bike they have,( msf not at a Harley dealer) if after 8 hours or so of one on one training if you still can't ''get it'', find another hobby. 2 wheels aren't for everyone. And don't expect the instructor to be a physiologist. If you have ''anxiety problems'' like the above person, see the physiologist for help before taking a course.
@@JP-dw1fp failed the course because Manual gearbox motorcycles are WAY TO HARD already bought a new 400cc burgman scooter 472 pounds with abs and been practicing in my neighborhood and on highway never had a problem with out my license took test used their Suzuki tu250x how hard can it be? Breaking with out abs is hard didn't understand the concept shifting failed riding portion for not going fast enough because I couldn't shift fast enough dont matter how hard u twist the throttle u ain't moveing without shifting gears fail written test because didn't know the questions about shifting because my scooter WHICH is way faster dont have any gears bro do wheelies and tricks on my 20 pound bmx bicycle its nothing like a motorcycle what are u talking about? Still dont have i been rideing for year now covid 19 make impossible to setup a test with my work schedule and my modercycle is my only form of transportation it not a hobby gear are just to confuseing while trying to focus the road.
@@JP-dw1fp Knowledge or not it tends to be an easier way to get the endorsement than going through the DMV. I passed the course but I know I would of failed the DMV bike test.
I actually disagree big time. Ive never been on a motorcycle, or anything similar to it besides an actual bicycle & i was able to pass without a problem. I would say that maybe you're problem was trying to start at a harley base course or maybe because of the heavy bike you had to practice on.
Hi jazz Wolfe....i wish I would have seen this before I took the damn course ..i literally shared the same experience as you.... just took the MSF on 9/12/2022 & 9/13/2022..no experience whatsoever..people at the harley davidson shop saying you'll be fine ... of the 7 people in my course, i unfortunately failed..my experience was identical to yours...stalling, dropping the bike etc....the 6 people in my course literally all had experience of some sort and passed with flying colors..i just don't believe that the MSF course is for someone who has never been ON A BIKE..i don't want to give up..i'm seriously thinking the best thing is to just by the bike and literally practice in parking lots ..pretty much what you did....
I start my course tomorrow morning I specifically did not choose a Harley dealership for that reason learning is hard enough then add in learning on a 500lbs+ bikes no thanks especially since I don’t ever plan to ride heavy bikes like that anyway I’m good with my light weight sport bikes that god forbid I ever do drop it at least I won’t need 2 other ppl to help pick it back up 😂 I found a motorcycle school with bikes that are similar to what I plan on riding they even have a 125cc bike for petite riders 😊
Hey Jaz, I have to thank-you for putting yourself "out there", explaining the experience you had. It's a BIG help to those "Nervous Nelly's" holding back from getting their endorsement!👍😁🤭 Doug
I had to drop my course due to fear and fatigue that just got the better of me. Thankfully, the kindly range master is working with me privately and I'm making progress.
I can relate to your experience. I am 4'11 and weigh about 100lbs and didn't have the best experience while taking a MSF skills course in New Jersey this weekend. Passed my written test, but didn't make it into day 3 of the course. On day 2, the bike they gave me to ride was a Yahama star cruiser. The bike didn't turn on unless it was on neutral ( I was the only one in the class to get a bike with a problem) and the instructors had to continue coming by me everytime I stalled (5x+) to help me put the bike back on neutral by constantly jamming on the gear shifter. Its was 80+ degrees out, my anxiety and nerves were out of wack, and plus I had to deal with a malfunctioning bike. They ended up switching me to a Honda Grom... but by that time I had already dropped the Yahama on the ground twice. The transition from the Yahama to the Honda Grom was a big one... cruiser to sports bike. I made a bad turn on the Honda and stomped too hard on the breaks, where on the Yamaha I had to stomp hard to actually break... and I was asked to sign a paper and seek possibly one on one private lessons. It was a horrible experience overall. So if you pass the written test through a riding course, you are able to go get your permit at the dmv? What documents would I need to provide because the coaches just had me sign that paper and didn't provide me with anything else...
Thank you so much for sharing you experience. I'm so sorry that they counseled you out after not switching you to the grom in the first place. The grom definitely has a very stiff front brake and it's very easy to apply too much pressure especially after riding a cruiser. I didn't take the written test at my actual MSF course, but I went down to the DMV and took it there. Your state may differ on what items you need to bring. In NC, all I needed was to take the written test there and provide my drivers license to get my permit.
Wow according to most states that does the msf. If you are counselled out that mean you weren't able to complete all riding exercises. So you can't continue with the classroom portion so you can't take the written test at the course and would have to do it at the DMV. only way to get a permit from the course is to do all exercises and all classroom. Even if you fail the skills test, but you pass the knowledge you get the permit. So sorry you had a bad experience.you should be able to file a complaint about the bike poor maintenance and giving you a bike without giving you time to adjust to it.
@@drivesaferidesmarter902 so quick question I already have my permit from dmv ,is there still a written test at the. course ,because I thought that u had to have ur permit coming to the course ? Yes or no I’m unsure
I failed today. Didn't drop the bike or put my foot down but I was all over the place .struggled with gears and friction zone. Prior to the class I've never once been on a bike so everything was kinda overwhelming but I'm glad I got it out of the way. Don't give up. You got this!
@@Gaverny honestly don't sweat it. Its not that bad. I just didn't have any foundation whatsoever. The first day was my first time ever. But you will be fine. I feel confident now , still humble and eager to learn. You will do great!
Thank you! I hope you don’t give up either. Some things take dedication and lots of practice to pick up, but if you love it and keep learning from your mistakes then you’ll get it.
I couldn’t agree more with blue man. It’s a lot to take in if you have never been on a bike before. Even though I failed the course I have since ridden a Honda Grom and Honda Rebel 250. Both of the bikes I never once dropped or felt like I wasn’t in control. It helped me to take what I learned from the class and apply it to a bike that suited me on my own time. That experience of riding the rebel and grom only further sparked my love for motorcycles.
Jazz so glad you kept going and got your permit. I didn't pass my MSF course at HD dealership either. Also working on my skills for now. Using Ride Like a Pro videos to practice my slow speed skills. There have been so many motorcyclist who were really encouraging and helpful. The 500 was pretty heavy in comparison to the 250 Suzuki I have ridden most. Love your channel. Great to find another Mustang fan in NC.
My daughter and I both took day 1 riding portion today at Harley Dealer. BOTH of us had never rode a bike. I had a VERY hard time trying to coordinate all the controls. I also dropped the bike 4 times. I also have chronic anxiety and he kept telling me to calm down. To me....it was just me being NORMAL. Like you mentioned. But he didn't get that. I ended up quitting. My 19 year old daughter kept going and I thought she was doing great. Next thing I know...she and another woman who was 4'11 were "counseled out" :( All 3 women in the course did not pass the 1st day. We were told: "The bike is too big for you. Take the course at the college." I also had a hard time figuring out the directions of the course and did not think we had enough practice on each skill. My daughter and the other lady couldn't do the weaving in and out. I feel like the instructors KNOW from the first 5 minutes who will pass and who won't. :( My Harley dream is OVER. I, like you, think I would be better off practicing alone. Thanks for the permit idea! I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for this video. You've made me feel better. Especially since we both have anxiety and had similar experiences with instructor comments. Take care!
NEVER give up on your dream of riding a Harley. You will get it eventually. Takes time and soon it will click. I am in the process of this also and I know I can do it and I will be a biker.
We have a different course and system in Quebec; you have to do a closed-course test at the SAAQ (our DMV) to get a provisional learner's permit. But I had similar problems in that they kept moving me to bigger bikes when I was comfortable on the smaller displacement machines. And it did not help that my riding experience with 50cc scooters did not help with a manual transmission. Suffice it to say that I stayed with twist-n-goes from then on...though every so often something like the Royal Enfield INT 650 makes me go "oh, hey..." I failed the closed-course test the first time, too. The stubborn bugger in me had me pay for range time until I passed a month or so later. :)
@@JazzWolfe Ten plus years ago and counting. One of the best things I ever did to break myself out of a constrained life before that. Even if there have been, er, a couple of times when the rubber didn't stay down.
The problem is all the experienced riders coming into a course designed for people who have never ridden before, setting the pace for a course it was never meant to be at.
Just keep your head up and that beautiful head strong positive energy and you will get it in time. Bikes can be overwhelming for us petite women but if you stay true to yourself and take your time you will definitely conquer the nervous jitters to be successful rider. Sending prayers and support
I did a lot of research and read a lot of peoples' feedback online, and decided not to take the MSF course at a Harley dealership. I think the Street 500 is too big and heavy for some beginners. There are other schools that start you on smaller bikes (125 to 250 cc) that weigh less, which gives a beginner more confidence.
You can also take the Harley riding academy once more for free within 6 months for free if you fail. I'm glad you took what wins you got and learned from your mistakes. Alot of ppl give up to easy, at least you have more courage than most.
@@pwnzormcduck6546 It's good that people give up. It's not a car. You can be a crappy driver and get into fender benders/minor accidents and you won't get hurt. But if you are bad on a bike you're going to get yourself killed.
I just took my course yesterday. I had a similar experience. Brand new rider. I am a small female. 5’2”. Completely inexperienced. I came in with a TON of anxiety. I took my course with a non-Harley school. The instructors did not pass me on the skills test but it was the right call. The instructor said I could benefit from just 2 hours of one on one coaching and she will re-test me next weekend. I learned and improved A LOT in a matter of two days! I’m quite proud of myself. Keep going and keep practicing! I dropped my bike a few times in practice but I just made too many little mistakes in the skills test. I knew in my heart I wasn’t ready and so did they. It was the right call not to pass me. I’m looking forward to some one on one coaching and retaking the skills test next week.. good luck to you and keep at it!!
Jazz Wolfe passed with flying colors this weekend!!!!! Got over my fear block! Did a couple of hours of personal coaching and retook my skills test and nailed it!! I’m now riding around my neighborhood and even ventured out onto a main road for a bit! So proud of myself!!!!!! :)
Definitely find or build a cool motorcycle community that emphasizes safety and proper training in a supportive way. My suggestions include MCrider, DanDanTheFireman and Motojitsu. Keep up the good work.
Jazz - I hope you continue. Riding is a blast and you have to start somewhere. Maybe when the weather gets cooler - it is common during the summer to lose students to the heat. As an MSF instructor and one who does HDRA, let me add that the weight of those bikes gets to smaller folks - adding in heat makes it worse. Had a 95 lb lady about your height in a class drop it 4 times, and then realize it was a bit heavy for her to learn on. Non-HD MSF classes use lighter 250 cc bikes, and they may be better for you at the community college. HD Street 500 bikes have a speed restrictor on 1st and 2nd gear. The bike still makes power (so it is still 500 cc) - you just cant go over about 26 MPH. As far as the path of travel, there are times that it definitely is confusing for new riders- as long as you are not the first one doing the exercise and you watch the demo, you should be ok. Instructors are used to a few common mistakes there. It is nice that the instructor showed you the path of travel at the breaks. More that most do. Realize that "TMI" can be a student overload factor just as much as too little info. You have all types. Maybe next time just trust that you have enough to go on and the rest will fall into place. Your test - well the instructor certainly wanted to pass if he gave you 2 shots at evaluation 1. But as you know, a drop in the evaluation portion like the u-turn in 2 is an automatic failure. No "wiggle room" there. You'll be ok next time as you sound like you did learn a lot - you'll be with the more experienced students! Best of luck.
I got kicked out to and i really want to ride and own a motorcycle but, anyway got kicked out , because first I dropped the bike because I accidentally letted go of the clutch and I wasn't breaked, and then I had trouble turning because I kept putting my foot down because I have trouble with focusing on the clutch and throttle at the same time, like i didn't know if I was supposed to throttle first then slowly release the clutch or the other way around but anyway after I got sent home because they didn't feel comfortable with me doing the next exricesises, but it was my first time ever being on a bike
I had a similar experience; however I have continuously driven a manual car since I was 16, now 63. Can't seem to let the manuals go for some reason :). Having failed the evaluation, looking back, if I had to find a single skill that caused my failure, it would be my inability to master the friction zone. Of course I could find the point where the clutch engages, but to control speed and absolutely be able to control speed by feathering the clutch was a fail for me. On the bike I was given, a GZ250, the clutch did not engage until almost fully open. I would say it was a few millimeters before reaching being fully open, so there was not much of a friction zone to begin with. For two days I struggled with it. I've had my learners permit for a while now, but have never used it. I have a new Royal Enfield Himalayan that is not registered yet. I think I will ride it to the DMV, avoiding the highway, get it registered, and hone my skills in the parking lot and go do the riding test at DMV. From there I'll practice the MotoJitsu course on my own until I master this slow riding skill for once and for all. Thanks for your story. I can definitely relate.
Early in your narrative you mentioned the motorcycle was restricted. This is true, but not in the way you said. The bikes are 500 cc and always stay 500cc. That is their cylinder displacement It doesn't change. The bike is probably restricted to not be able to go faster than 20 mph in 1st gear. This is a computer controlled fuel injected engine. Might want to understand how the motorcycle operates via youtube, etc.
Thank you for correcting me on this! I believe in the video I stated that I wasn’t completely sure how the bike was restricted, but simply reiterating what I was told. If you have any channels/links you used to learn it would be greatly appreciated :)
If you feel the MSF I would recommend going to Harley Davison the instructors there are very patient and have a laid-back attitude. They want you to pass!
Not all of them Re good instructors. And for the amount of money you pay harley should make sure every rider receives great instruction. I had a great experience but my wife's instructors were lacking in the instruction department. Quite upset with her instructors.
I am in BC and wow it is so much harder and expensive to get a mc license here. My course in May is $800 cdn, 😳 then I have to pass the skills test AND a road test. I bought a Rebel 250 last summer knowing full well that I would soon outgrow it, but it is exactly what I needed to start on. I would have been way too intimidated as a short rider on a larger bike.
The issue I have with the Harley courses is that they have split allegiances. You are there paying to learn something, and what they are really doing is trying to sell you a bike. In your case, one way too big for you to be comfortable on. Harleys are big bikes so they need to force a big bike on you to get the sale at the end. Your pass or fail is secondary to them selling that big bike. Other places you take a class, they only have one job, make you a good motorcycle rider. The bikes are generally chosen because they are the best to learn on. And some places will send you around the course on a bicycle if that's what it takes to get you one more step closer to the end goal.
I think that the practice of putting brand new riders with zero experience on a 500 Lb. bike is ridiculous. My MSF course used mostly 250cc bikes. Waaaaay better for brand new riders.
My son and I took this course and had great instructors. Our experience was amazing. My wife just took the course and it was the total opposite. She was very disappointed in the instruction she received. Out of ten riders 3 dropped out 3 failed and the 4 that passed just passed. So that is a total of 40 percent success rate. And for 289 dollars it was a waste of money. I'm sorry you didn't pass after paying that much money. But I don't believe it was you I believe you didn't have the correct instruction.
Reading these comments are making me feel like I messed up by signing up with HD. Signed up yesterday since the dealership is 7 minutes away from where I live as opposed to the community college classes which were 1hr 40min at best. Classes are next weekend so I guess I’ll hope for the best.
This video is a waste of time you ramble For six minutes talking about nothing GET TO THE POINT!!! DANG GIRL you not telling anybody what cause you to fail get to the point
I just took the MSF and, thankfully, passed. I somehow made a 100 on the riding test despite never having driven a motorcycle or used any manual transmission before, but I definitely don't feel prepared to be on the road.
We were on little bikes (I actually rode a Spade like yours), so it was probably a lot easier than being on a big ol' Harley. But I don't think the MSF is very beginner-friendly, in spite of what others say. They go pretty fast through all of the activities it can be daunting when everyone seems to be getting it due to years of experience while you're lagging behind.
Don't confuse knowledge with the ability to teach. A great instructor doesn't shut down questions.
You are correct on that. Many of these 'instructors' at MSF should not be teaching anyone at all. They don't have the skills to teach or the ability to understand that they are inviting new riders to take these courses when the 'instructors' do not have the patience to teach them the basics. The videos I have seen and input from new riders is they are cramming it all into a short amount of time and over loading the students. That is NOT how you teach anyone.
This was my experience as well. As a brand new newbie, having never driven a motorcycle or dirt bike and never driven a stick shift vehicle, this path was not the best for me. I got to Day 3 and realized that I was still struggling with the friction zone while not being completely comfortable on the bike. My instructors were awesome and patient but they still had to keep at their schedule. I will still pursue my motorcycle license but definitely down another path.
Same experience for me. I just bowed out after 3 hrs, day one. I couldn’t get comfortable and it was starting to become not fun. I wanted to stick around but I was falling far behind and slowing everyone down. I’m ok with my decision. Riding a motorcycle is not easy for riding virgins. A lot easier if you’ve had some practice.
@@wonderwoman4875 There were 20 people at mine and 10 quit by the third day. 5 failed the test, only 5 of us passed. Only two of us seemed competent, I was worried about the other three that passed.
You are the sweetest and so articulate. I, too, signed up for the HD msf and also due to Covid availability (or not!) at the college courses. My class isn't til next month, but I so appreciate your review! Very helpful 💗
Good luck!! I'm glad this video could help you and thank you
I hope you stick with it. Practice practice practice. Don't let this guy get you down. There are better instructors out there.
Keep it up.😀😃😄😁😆
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m an aspiring rider and have no experience. I was thinking of taking the MSF at HD but I might look into a community college. I’m 5’1 110 lbs so I know those HD bikes will be way too big. I also have GAD and someone telling you that’s not an excuse is not helpful. I’m glad you weren’t discouraged and kept riding.
MSF is a huge ask for new riders. It's either hot or cold, its a ton of hours, its a blitz of information. I passed the test with 100% due to prior experience but a lot of the other people had a lot of trouble.
Also I totally get your anxiety. I actually also had a ton of anxiety and the only bathroom was a porta-potty which sucked. After all that I have already wrecked my first bike after only a few weeks. Me and the bike are ok I just have to replace my turn signal. Just make sure you practice a lot and take everything slow. No reason to try and get low in corners too fast like my dumb ass.
That’s messed up in Colorado they let you retake the course free 1 time
800+ dollars, and 2 weekends gone too shit all cause of how bullshit their testing system is. Failed the class twice, first time was understandable, but the second time I did it I only hit one cone on one of the “tasks” and it caused me to fail. An instructor in training took the class that has rode for 30+ years and failed, in fact I did better than him lmfao. Completely bs would not recommend taking from Harley Davidson.
Good luck practicing you will pass the test next time.
Thank you!
So glad that you was not discouraged from trying again and that you had the courage to take the class. I hope that you finished your practice and got your full license. I took the class in August 2021 and was able to get my waiver but no bike yet..
I took the MSF course. Having never been on a motorcycle or scooter in my life, I can tell you it was a terrible experience. I felt exactly the way you did. Did not help that some people were just breezing through the course while I was struggling. Failed the course, but I am still determined to get my endorsement. Going to purchase a small bike and practice on my own. While I can’t say I did not learn anything, I would never suggest anyone take one of these courses if you’ve never been on a bike or scooter. These courses are for refinement. Not beginners. Don’t be fooled.
I definitely agree especially for small riders like myself. I'm hoping to look at a few sv650s once Spring starts.
Actually, the MSF course is for the person who wouldn't know a motorcycle from a crock pot. They've even dumb ed down the course so much so that when you pass it, you'll need to spend many more hours in a parking lot on a little 125cc bike before ever venturing out in traffic lest you get your self killed. If you failed this easy little course the best thing to do is get a bicycle and practice all the exercises you did in the course until you can do them with ease. Then, get a private lesson from one of the MSF instructors on the smallest 125cc bike they have,( msf not at a Harley dealer) if after 8 hours or so of one on one training if you still can't ''get it'', find another hobby. 2 wheels aren't for everyone. And don't expect the instructor to be a physiologist. If you have ''anxiety problems'' like the above person, see the physiologist for help before taking a course.
@@JP-dw1fp failed the course because Manual gearbox motorcycles are WAY TO HARD already bought a new 400cc burgman scooter 472 pounds with abs and been practicing in my neighborhood and on highway never had a problem with out my license took test used their Suzuki tu250x how hard can it be? Breaking with out abs is hard didn't understand the concept shifting failed riding portion for not going fast enough because I couldn't shift fast enough dont matter how hard u twist the throttle u ain't moveing without shifting gears fail written test because didn't know the questions about shifting because my scooter WHICH is way faster dont have any gears bro do wheelies and tricks on my 20 pound bmx bicycle its nothing like a motorcycle what are u talking about? Still dont have i been rideing for year now covid 19 make impossible to setup a test with my work schedule and my modercycle is my only form of transportation it not a hobby gear are just to confuseing while trying to focus the road.
@@JP-dw1fp Knowledge or not it tends to be an easier way to get the endorsement than going through the DMV. I passed the course but I know I would of failed the DMV bike test.
I actually disagree big time. Ive never been on a motorcycle, or anything similar to it besides an actual bicycle & i was able to pass without a problem. I would say that maybe you're problem was trying to start at a harley base course or maybe because of the heavy bike you had to practice on.
so did you get it now?
Hi jazz Wolfe....i wish I would have seen this before I took the damn course ..i literally shared the same experience as you.... just took the MSF on 9/12/2022 & 9/13/2022..no experience whatsoever..people at the harley davidson shop saying you'll be fine ... of the 7 people in my course, i unfortunately failed..my experience was identical to yours...stalling, dropping the bike etc....the 6 people in my course literally all had experience of some sort and passed with flying colors..i just don't believe that the MSF course is for someone who has never been ON A BIKE..i don't want to give up..i'm seriously thinking the best thing is to just by the bike and literally practice in parking lots ..pretty much what you did....
I start my course tomorrow morning I specifically did not choose a Harley dealership for that reason learning is hard enough then add in learning on a 500lbs+ bikes no thanks especially since I don’t ever plan to ride heavy bikes like that anyway I’m good with my light weight sport bikes that god forbid I ever do drop it at least I won’t need 2 other ppl to help pick it back up 😂 I found a motorcycle school with bikes that are similar to what I plan on riding they even have a 125cc bike for petite riders 😊
Hey Jaz, I have to thank-you for putting yourself "out there", explaining the experience you had. It's a BIG help to those "Nervous Nelly's" holding back from getting their endorsement!👍😁🤭 Doug
I had to drop my course due to fear and fatigue that just got the better of me. Thankfully, the kindly range master is working with me privately and I'm making progress.
I can relate to your experience. I am 4'11 and weigh about 100lbs and didn't have the best experience while taking a MSF skills course in New Jersey this weekend. Passed my written test, but didn't make it into day 3 of the course. On day 2, the bike they gave me to ride was a Yahama star cruiser. The bike didn't turn on unless it was on neutral ( I was the only one in the class to get a bike with a problem) and the instructors had to continue coming by me everytime I stalled (5x+) to help me put the bike back on neutral by constantly jamming on the gear shifter. Its was 80+ degrees out, my anxiety and nerves were out of wack, and plus I had to deal with a malfunctioning bike. They ended up switching me to a Honda Grom... but by that time I had already dropped the Yahama on the ground twice. The transition from the Yahama to the Honda Grom was a big one... cruiser to sports bike. I made a bad turn on the Honda and stomped too hard on the breaks, where on the Yamaha I had to stomp hard to actually break... and I was asked to sign a paper and seek possibly one on one private lessons. It was a horrible experience overall. So if you pass the written test through a riding course, you are able to go get your permit at the dmv? What documents would I need to provide because the coaches just had me sign that paper and didn't provide me with anything else...
Thank you so much for sharing you experience. I'm so sorry that they counseled you out after not switching you to the grom in the first place. The grom definitely has a very stiff front brake and it's very easy to apply too much pressure especially after riding a cruiser. I didn't take the written test at my actual MSF course, but I went down to the DMV and took it there. Your state may differ on what items you need to bring. In NC, all I needed was to take the written test there and provide my drivers license to get my permit.
Wow according to most states that does the msf. If you are counselled out that mean you weren't able to complete all riding exercises. So you can't continue with the classroom portion so you can't take the written test at the course and would have to do it at the DMV. only way to get a permit from the course is to do all exercises and all classroom. Even if you fail the skills test, but you pass the knowledge you get the permit.
So sorry you had a bad experience.you should be able to file a complaint about the bike poor maintenance and giving you a bike without giving you time to adjust to it.
@@drivesaferidesmarter902 so quick question I already have my permit from dmv ,is there still a written test at the. course ,because I thought that u had to have ur permit coming to the course ? Yes or no I’m unsure
I failed today. Didn't drop the bike or put my foot down but I was all over the place .struggled with gears and friction zone. Prior to the class I've never once been on a bike so everything was kinda overwhelming but I'm glad I got it out of the way. Don't give up. You got this!
Sorry you didn't pass. I haven't taken the course yet but I can only imagine trying to learn in that environment that there's a lot of pressure.
@@Gaverny honestly don't sweat it. Its not that bad. I just didn't have any foundation whatsoever. The first day was my first time ever. But you will be fine. I feel confident now , still humble and eager to learn. You will do great!
Thank you! Appreciate that 👍👊🐱
Thank you! I hope you don’t give up either. Some things take dedication and lots of practice to pick up, but if you love it and keep learning from your mistakes then you’ll get it.
I couldn’t agree more with blue man. It’s a lot to take in if you have never been on a bike before. Even though I failed the course I have since ridden a Honda Grom and Honda Rebel 250. Both of the bikes I never once dropped or felt like I wasn’t in control. It helped me to take what I learned from the class and apply it to a bike that suited me on my own time. That experience of riding the rebel and grom only further sparked my love for motorcycles.
Jazz so glad you kept going and got your permit. I didn't pass my MSF course at HD dealership either. Also working on my skills for now. Using Ride Like a Pro videos to practice my slow speed skills.
There have been so many motorcyclist who were really encouraging and helpful. The 500 was pretty heavy in comparison to the 250 Suzuki I have ridden most.
Love your channel. Great to find another Mustang fan in NC.
What bike do you ride now? Also thank you so much, I'm hoping to finally get my bike here within the next couple of months.
@@JazzWolfe I have a 2019 Honda Shadow Aero and a 2020 Harley-Davidson Iron 883.
If your local to NC I'd love to ride sometime!
@@JazzWolfe I am in Winston Salem. Maybe we can get together.
@@yunokasilva6036 DM me on Insta. It would be nice to ride with someone who’s also working on their skills
Great video, thanks for sharing your experience. Watching from Durham, NC ✌️
Thank you for watching! Glad to see another local NC resident
My daughter and I both took day 1 riding portion today at Harley Dealer. BOTH of us had never rode a bike. I had a VERY hard time trying to coordinate all the controls. I also dropped the bike 4 times. I also have chronic anxiety and he kept telling me to calm down. To me....it was just me being NORMAL. Like you mentioned. But he didn't get that. I ended up quitting. My 19 year old daughter kept going and I thought she was doing great. Next thing I know...she and another woman who was 4'11 were "counseled out" :( All 3 women in the course did not pass the 1st day. We were told: "The bike is too big for you. Take the course at the college." I also had a hard time figuring out the directions of the course and did not think we had enough practice on each skill. My daughter and the other lady couldn't do the weaving in and out. I feel like the instructors KNOW from the first 5 minutes who will pass and who won't. :( My Harley dream is OVER. I, like you, think I would be better off practicing alone. Thanks for the permit idea! I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for this video. You've made me feel better. Especially since we both have anxiety and had similar experiences with instructor comments. Take care!
NEVER give up on your dream of riding a Harley. You will get it eventually. Takes time and soon it will click. I am in the process of this also and I know I can do it and I will be a biker.
We have a different course and system in Quebec; you have to do a closed-course test at the SAAQ (our DMV) to get a provisional learner's permit. But I had similar problems in that they kept moving me to bigger bikes when I was comfortable on the smaller displacement machines. And it did not help that my riding experience with 50cc scooters did not help with a manual transmission. Suffice it to say that I stayed with twist-n-goes from then on...though every so often something like the Royal Enfield INT 650 makes me go "oh, hey..."
I failed the closed-course test the first time, too. The stubborn bugger in me had me pay for range time until I passed a month or so later. :)
Glad to see you persevered through it and finally got your license!
@@JazzWolfe Ten plus years ago and counting. One of the best things I ever did to break myself out of a constrained life before that. Even if there have been, er, a couple of times when the rubber didn't stay down.
The problem is all the experienced riders coming into a course designed for people who have never ridden before, setting the pace for a course it was never meant to be at.
Just keep your head up and that beautiful head strong positive energy and you will get it in time. Bikes can be overwhelming for us petite women but if you stay true to yourself and take your time you will definitely conquer the nervous jitters to be successful rider. Sending prayers and support
I did a lot of research and read a lot of peoples' feedback online, and decided not to take the MSF course at a Harley dealership. I think the Street 500 is too big and heavy for some beginners. There are other schools that start you on smaller bikes (125 to 250 cc) that weigh less, which gives a beginner more confidence.
I wish I would have done more research before setting foot in a HD dealership
You can also take the Harley riding academy once more for free within 6 months for free if you fail. I'm glad you took what wins you got and learned from your mistakes. Alot of ppl give up to easy, at least you have more courage than most.
@@pwnzormcduck6546 It's good that people give up. It's not a car. You can be a crappy driver and get into fender benders/minor accidents and you won't get hurt.
But if you are bad on a bike you're going to get yourself killed.
I just took my course yesterday. I had a similar experience. Brand new rider. I am a small female. 5’2”. Completely inexperienced. I came in with a TON of anxiety. I took my course with a non-Harley school. The instructors did not pass me on the skills test but it was the right call. The instructor said I could benefit from just 2 hours of one on one coaching and she will re-test me next weekend. I learned and improved A LOT in a matter of two days! I’m quite proud of myself. Keep going and keep practicing! I dropped my bike a few times in practice but I just made too many little mistakes in the skills test. I knew in my heart I wasn’t ready and so did they. It was the right call not to pass me. I’m looking forward to some one on one coaching and retaking the skills test next week.. good luck to you and keep at it!!
Thank you and same to you! The second time is always better around
Jazz Wolfe passed with flying colors this weekend!!!!! Got over my fear block! Did a couple of hours of personal coaching and retook my skills test and nailed it!! I’m now riding around my neighborhood and even ventured out onto a main road for a bit! So proud of myself!!!!!! :)
@@kristinkelly8119 still riding well?
Definitely find or build a cool motorcycle community that emphasizes safety and proper training in a supportive way. My suggestions include MCrider, DanDanTheFireman and Motojitsu. Keep up the good work.
Jazz - I hope you continue. Riding is a blast and you have to start somewhere. Maybe when the weather gets cooler - it is common during the summer to lose students to the heat. As an MSF instructor and one who does HDRA, let me add that the weight of those bikes gets to smaller folks - adding in heat makes it worse. Had a 95 lb lady about your height in a class drop it 4 times, and then realize it was a bit heavy for her to learn on. Non-HD MSF classes use lighter 250 cc bikes, and they may be better for you at the community college. HD Street 500 bikes have a speed restrictor on 1st and 2nd gear. The bike still makes power (so it is still 500 cc) - you just cant go over about 26 MPH.
As far as the path of travel, there are times that it definitely is confusing for new riders- as long as you are not the first one doing the exercise and you watch the demo, you should be ok. Instructors are used to a few common mistakes there. It is nice that the instructor showed you the path of travel at the breaks. More that most do. Realize that "TMI" can be a student overload factor just as much as too little info. You have all types. Maybe next time just trust that you have enough to go on and the rest will fall into place. Your test - well the instructor certainly wanted to pass if he gave you 2 shots at evaluation 1. But as you know, a drop in the evaluation portion like the u-turn in 2 is an automatic failure. No "wiggle room" there. You'll be ok next time as you sound like you did learn a lot - you'll be with the more experienced students! Best of luck.
Thank you for explaining all of that and encouraging me to go forward! It's nice to know that I'm not that has had a similar experience on an HD bike.
You had a bad instructor I think
I got kicked out to and i really want to ride and own a motorcycle but, anyway got kicked out , because first I dropped the bike because I accidentally letted go of the clutch and I wasn't breaked, and then I had trouble turning because I kept putting my foot down because I have trouble with focusing on the clutch and throttle at the same time, like i didn't know if I was supposed to throttle first then slowly release the clutch or the other way around but anyway after I got sent home because they didn't feel comfortable with me doing the next exricesises, but it was my first time ever being on a bike
I believe your better off not knowing how to clutch, they teach you, experienced riders might have bad habits.
I had a similar experience; however I have continuously driven a manual car since I was 16, now 63. Can't seem to let the manuals go for some reason :). Having failed the evaluation, looking back, if I had to find a single skill that caused my failure, it would be my inability to master the friction zone. Of course I could find the point where the clutch engages, but to control speed and absolutely be able to control speed by feathering the clutch was a fail for me. On the bike I was given, a GZ250, the clutch did not engage until almost fully open. I would say it was a few millimeters before reaching being fully open, so there was not much of a friction zone to begin with. For two days I struggled with it. I've had my learners permit for a while now, but have never used it. I have a new Royal Enfield Himalayan that is not registered yet. I think I will ride it to the DMV, avoiding the highway, get it registered, and hone my skills in the parking lot and go do the riding test at DMV. From there I'll practice the MotoJitsu course on my own until I master this slow riding skill for once and for all. Thanks for your story. I can definitely relate.
They should have adjusted the clutch
Early in your narrative you mentioned the motorcycle was restricted. This is true, but not in the way you said. The bikes are 500 cc and always stay 500cc. That is their cylinder displacement It doesn't change. The bike is probably restricted to not be able to go faster than 20 mph in 1st gear. This is a computer controlled fuel injected engine. Might want to understand how the motorcycle operates via youtube, etc.
Thank you for correcting me on this! I believe in the video I stated that I wasn’t completely sure how the bike was restricted, but simply reiterating what I was told. If you have any channels/links you used to learn it would be greatly appreciated :)
Why does she have to watch youtube videos to learn how they restrict motorcycles? She is not going into motorcycle building you condescending jerk.
If you feel the MSF I would recommend going to Harley Davison the instructors there are very patient and have a laid-back attitude. They want you to pass!
Not all of them Re good instructors. And for the amount of money you pay harley should make sure every rider receives great instruction. I had a great experience but my wife's instructors were lacking in the instruction department. Quite upset with her instructors.
She did go to HD riding academy. Did you even listen to the video?
I instruct, I don’t care if they pass, the goal is to learn and hopefully pass. Sounds like a bad instructor
I am in BC and wow it is so much harder and expensive to get a mc license here. My course in May is $800 cdn, 😳 then I have to pass the skills test AND a road test. I bought a Rebel 250 last summer knowing full well that I would soon outgrow it, but it is exactly what I needed to start on. I would have been way too intimidated as a short rider on a larger bike.
The issue I have with the Harley courses is that they have split allegiances. You are there paying to learn something, and what they are really doing is trying to sell you a bike. In your case, one way too big for you to be comfortable on. Harleys are big bikes so they need to force a big bike on you to get the sale at the end. Your pass or fail is secondary to them selling that big bike.
Other places you take a class, they only have one job, make you a good motorcycle rider. The bikes are generally chosen because they are the best to learn on. And some places will send you around the course on a bicycle if that's what it takes to get you one more step closer to the end goal.
I couldn't agree more with this and I really think more people should know this especially smaller riders when thinking of taking a MSF course at HD
What a dumb comment. Cope harder because you failed
I did real well frist day, dropped bike and lost my nerve second day. Don't onw a bike yet, ahd fun...but re evaluating if I see a bike in my future.
I did too and I ride lol. Few dudes wrecked theirs. The bikes were ass and my clutch was burnt the fuck out
I think that the practice of putting brand new riders with zero experience on a 500 Lb. bike is ridiculous. My MSF course used mostly 250cc bikes. Waaaaay better for brand new riders.
I’m in Charlotte! I’ve been looking for somewhere to take the course.
Try to find a Community College. I’ve most people recommend them over any dealership, but there are trade offs to both
Do you have your motorcycle license now ?
Doesn’t seem like it…get rid of those nerves
My son and I took this course and had great instructors. Our experience was amazing. My wife just took the course and it was the total opposite. She was very disappointed in the instruction she received. Out of ten riders 3 dropped out 3 failed and the 4 that passed just passed. So that is a total of 40 percent success rate. And for 289 dollars it was a waste of money. I'm sorry you didn't pass after paying that much money. But I don't believe it was you I believe you didn't have the correct instruction.
Reading these comments are making me feel like I messed up by signing up with HD. Signed up yesterday since the dealership is 7 minutes away from where I live as opposed to the community college classes which were 1hr 40min at best. Classes are next weekend so I guess I’ll hope for the best.
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Glad u gotsa FULL FACE HELMUT...b circumspect
This video is a waste of time you ramble For six minutes talking about nothing GET TO THE POINT!!! DANG GIRL you not telling anybody what cause you to fail get to the point