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How nice to see one of my favorite podcasts touching upon Stoicism. I'm a Christian and have had an interest in Stoicism for the past decade-or-so (I wrote a book on Epictetus that Michael was one of the peer-reviewers for) and it's rare to see this dialogue, especially in a friendly, mutually respectful dialogue. Knowing Michael a little bit I am not surprised that he would engage in a respectful and knowledgable manner. I thought he did a wonderful job in explaining some very technical and under-explored areas of the philosophy. One area where I would differ slightly is in his view of the Stoic God. I would be a bit more nuanced in opining that the Stoics thought that God couldn't foreordain, deliberate or even intercede. We have many Stoic sources that talk about the logos in this way (These are the best references, but they are the one I have to hand e.g. Seneca Ep. 9.16, SVF 1532 ). There was even a debate over whether God involved itself in our daily affairs, with the ultimate answer being no *but* the reason for their declining to affirm this was more one of whether it was appropriate for God to do so, not whether it could (see John Jillons "Divine Guidance" Oxford University Press, 2020) A well-known critic of Stoicism in antiquity, Aristotelian Alexander of Aphropdisias (second century CE), mocks the Stoic god as "the demiurge of worms and mosquitos." On whether they believed God could reason as humans do see also Nathan Powers "The Stoic Argument for the Rationality of the Cosmos" Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy 43:245-269 (2012) and this wonderful talk by Professor George Boys-Stones: www.bsa.ac.uk/videos/george-boys-stones-the-rationality-of-the-stoic-god/
Wow this is an amazing comment. That's for taking the time to type this out. Really helpful. And thanks for the sources. I'm going to come back and reference this comment in future study! What's your book called??
@@ParkersPensees "Epictetus and Laypeople". It does not really touch upon metaphysical discussions too much (Although I have a lengthy discussion reappraising the Stoic view of the body and personal identity).
0:00 - who is Michael Tremblay? 7:00 - Jiujitsu vs. Wrestling 17:06 - Why Get a PhD in Stoic Philosophy? 18:38 - What is Stoicism? What is Philosophy? What makes a good life? 20:12 - Is fatalism intrinsic to Stoicism? (& The Argument from Reason?) 33:41 - Is Marcus Aurelius a True Stoic? 37:44 - Virtue and Indifference 40:05 - Modern Stoicism 46:12 - The Idea of God in Stoicism 55:09 - The Logos for Jews and Greeks 57:34 - Virtue, Ethics, and Telos 1:02:50 - Personal Identity on Stoicism? 1:06:13 - Jesus and the Stoic Sage 1:13:09 - Is there room for forgiveness in Stoicism? 1:17:13 - Can you actively choose the bad? 1:24:02 - Do children have human rights on Stoicism?
Thanks for your work. Listened to the whole discussion (even the martial art stuff :P) and found it very interesting and well done - both what you contributed and what Michael said. God bless you, from your (probably) only Swiss viewer ^^
1:22:02 tabula rasa anthropology We need a part 2! Maybe bring some Bav into the conversation. Everything covered in this video brings be me back again and again to his “Philosophy of Revelation”. The child rights discussion leads directly to the issue of the Greco-Roman practice of exposure. Michael demonstrates he has somewhat of a Christianized stoicism that is aware of Christianity’s contributions/ the questions it raises.
@@ParkersPensees lol, aye! You have it yet and I don't suspect you will. By the way, brother I usually listen while I'm at work and can't watch the video directly. On those apologetic videos you have for members only is there any way for you to allow those to play while my phone is in sleep mode?
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How nice to see one of my favorite podcasts touching upon Stoicism. I'm a Christian and have had an interest in Stoicism for the past decade-or-so (I wrote a book on Epictetus that Michael was one of the peer-reviewers for) and it's rare to see this dialogue, especially in a friendly, mutually respectful dialogue. Knowing Michael a little bit I am not surprised that he would engage in a respectful and knowledgable manner. I thought he did a wonderful job in explaining some very technical and under-explored areas of the philosophy. One area where I would differ slightly is in his view of the Stoic God. I would be a bit more nuanced in opining that the Stoics thought that God couldn't foreordain, deliberate or even intercede. We have many Stoic sources that talk about the logos in this way (These are the best references, but they are the one I have to hand e.g. Seneca Ep. 9.16, SVF 1532 ). There was even a debate over whether God involved itself in our daily affairs, with the ultimate answer being no *but* the reason for their declining to affirm this was more one of whether it was appropriate for God to do so, not whether it could (see John Jillons "Divine Guidance" Oxford University Press, 2020) A well-known critic of Stoicism in antiquity, Aristotelian Alexander of Aphropdisias (second century CE), mocks the Stoic god as "the demiurge of worms and mosquitos." On whether they believed God could reason as humans do see also Nathan Powers "The Stoic Argument for the Rationality of the Cosmos" Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy 43:245-269 (2012) and this wonderful talk by Professor George Boys-Stones: www.bsa.ac.uk/videos/george-boys-stones-the-rationality-of-the-stoic-god/
Wow this is an amazing comment. That's for taking the time to type this out. Really helpful. And thanks for the sources. I'm going to come back and reference this comment in future study! What's your book called??
@@ParkersPensees "Epictetus and Laypeople". It does not really touch upon metaphysical discussions too much (Although I have a lengthy discussion reappraising the Stoic view of the body and personal identity).
0:00 - who is Michael Tremblay?
7:00 - Jiujitsu vs. Wrestling
17:06 - Why Get a PhD in Stoic Philosophy?
18:38 - What is Stoicism? What is Philosophy? What makes a good life?
20:12 - Is fatalism intrinsic to Stoicism? (& The Argument from Reason?)
33:41 - Is Marcus Aurelius a True Stoic?
37:44 - Virtue and Indifference
40:05 - Modern Stoicism
46:12 - The Idea of God in Stoicism
55:09 - The Logos for Jews and Greeks
57:34 - Virtue, Ethics, and Telos
1:02:50 - Personal Identity on Stoicism?
1:06:13 - Jesus and the Stoic Sage
1:13:09 - Is there room for forgiveness in Stoicism?
1:17:13 - Can you actively choose the bad?
1:24:02 - Do children have human rights on Stoicism?
Totally fascinating conversation. Such a joy to see you guys just talk through this stuff in front of us.
Thanks man! I really enjoyed this one
very deep discussion this is what stoic community needs
Fr the ai videos need to stop 💀
This was such an interesting dialogue! A favorite for sure.
Thanks man! I gotta get him back on
Thanks for your work. Listened to the whole discussion (even the martial art stuff :P) and found it very interesting and well done - both what you contributed and what Michael said.
God bless you, from your (probably) only Swiss viewer ^^
Dang that's amazing! Thanks for listening, I knew people wouldn't mind the jiujitsu stuff that much
1:22:02 tabula rasa anthropology
We need a part 2! Maybe bring some Bav into the conversation. Everything covered in this video brings be me back again and again to his “Philosophy of Revelation”.
The child rights discussion leads directly to the issue of the Greco-Roman practice of exposure. Michael demonstrates he has somewhat of a Christianized stoicism that is aware of Christianity’s contributions/ the questions it raises.
Great conversation!
Thanks! I can't wait to get him back on
@@ParkersPensees I recommend Lloyd P Gerson as someone to check out. Neo-platonist scholar.
I almost skipped his episode. Did not think it was going to be very interesting. Glad I didn't skip it.
Bro you know me. I'm not going to let you get bored haha
@@ParkersPensees lol, aye! You have it yet and I don't suspect you will. By the way, brother I usually listen while I'm at work and can't watch the video directly. On those apologetic videos you have for members only is there any way for you to allow those to play while my phone is in sleep mode?
The belt system is what would allow appropriate match ups and effort, no?
I’m so glad he put the broisism name to the plague ruining stoicism lol
I appreciate the jujitsu digression
Let's go!
You guys make me wanna start BJJ haha
Do it 😄
Do it!
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