@ a,h. No idea what you mean "the second one" was doing just fine. Keep in mind that the first boat is (perhaps) a 35 footer, something in that range and the second boat is a 45 footer. Especially in Korcula this is comparing oranges and grapefruits. The bowthruster was used adequately, never on for extended periods of time, the skipper gave the bow a push to the starboard and then let the boat swing until she pointed the right way. Well done. The first one had the dinghy on a line. While this went well it could have easily caused major problems, especially in Korcula. But bottom line: Both boats made it out just fine. Korcula is the tightest place I have ever been (well, Opatija comes to mind). The fairways (as one can see) are extremely narrow and while the mooring lines go down very steeply (which causes problems for boats above 40 foot) a rudder or even a keel can get tangled up in them.
Thx for the video. Very nice examples how undocking works. For me the first one was better than the second. Personally I don't like to burn the battery with the bow truster. Question: Someone there with a good idea how the second one can be done smoother? ;-) Regards
Well as you said, i think everything was good, nothing major to complain. If you want it smoother, the second one could have tried to move forward the other way and backwards out (like the first one) and use the prop walk (which should push the stern to starboard with that boat) while he is in the narrow space. He should also move a little bit more forward cause his pivot point of the boat moves around the neighbors anchor. The bow thruster is for the battery not a big issue while the engine is on, but yes he uses it quite long.
@@sascha_sailing Thnx for your reply. The first boat is a Dufour 350 and the second an Oceanis 45. There is less space to turn to port for the second boat. And If I'm right, Benetau Oceanis use to have Yanmar engines, normally the prop walk in reverse is to portside, not to starboard as you mentioned. Maybe a spring-line from the middle-cleat (pivot point) to the neighbor's bow-cleat will help in very quarter situations, without bow-thruster. ;-)
@@ushi120 Of course the 45 foot has less space but look at the bow, he could have turned a little later and move more forward, then backward with prop walk and so on i'm not sure about that, but i think that saildrive normally turn clockwise in reverse which turns stern to starboard. dont know which saildrive is installed here but look at these specs from yanmar on page 23 www.yanmar.com/marine/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/0ASDM-EN0023_2018.05.pdf why do you think he has less space when initially turning to port ?
@a.h. the boat has a bow thruster and it is there for a reason. For training purposes I understand you don't want to use it, but in this case ? Why make it difficult on yourself when you have something on board that makes your life easy ? Being a purist is nice, but being practical is far better in my humble opinion. This boat did not get into trouble, did not create a mess in the marina, no shouting, no screaming, no accidents, so .......well done if you ask me.
They've built it waaay to tight. I'm from Norway with a long keel 33 footer from the 70's. I basically have no steering backwards and have to turn the boat around to starboard using effect of the prop wash. In totally calm weather without current I can turn it on a dime, but the second there's current or wind my long keel basically turns into the rudder. I can see that there's only modern boats here that have steering backwards, but building docks like this is just shameful. But people are free to buy these things I guess.. Try getting out when there's some solid wind..
Venice is not existing since the begining of 19th century. I think that Italians should worry about the nigerian invasion in Italy, the lawer birth rate in history and obligatory covid passeport to go to work instead of dreaming about past history.
@@mike8966 Venice legally owned Dalmatia, then somebody stole it to la serenissima through the use of violence and never gave it back. I guess it is my right to remember such a historical crime....
@@Caleidus Venice was a decadent pool of degenerated bourgeois and diserved to be destructed by Napoleon. Only the architecture and arts is good from them. How many times those bastards have negotiated peace with the Ottoman just for money and power, against local People and heroes. You should care about Venice and Italy of today, all Europe actually invaded by the third world and under globalist totalitarism. Who cares about history today when our lives are stolen by Psychopates?
@@mike8966 Venice has been one of the greatest city and civilization in human history, the only part of nowadays Croatia not conquered by the Ottomans were the territories ruled by the winged lion. The Christian fleeet in the Lepanto naval battle where the turks were annihilated was mainly made up of venetian ships, the venetian general Marcantonio Bragadin was skinned alive to protect the Med from the ottomans. Without the Venetians coastal Dalmatia would be today a sort of ugly Bosnia Herzegovina on the adriatic with minarets, your son would be probably named Mohammed and you are calling Venetians bastard?
@ a,h.
No idea what you mean "the second one" was doing just fine. Keep in mind that the first boat is (perhaps) a 35 footer, something in that range and the second boat is a 45 footer. Especially in Korcula this is comparing oranges and grapefruits. The bowthruster was used adequately, never on for extended periods of time, the skipper gave the bow a push to the starboard and then let the boat swing until she pointed the right way. Well done. The first one had the dinghy on a line. While this went well it could have easily caused major problems, especially in Korcula. But bottom line: Both boats made it out just fine.
Korcula is the tightest place I have ever been (well, Opatija comes to mind). The fairways (as one can see) are extremely narrow and while the mooring lines go down very steeply (which causes problems for boats above 40 foot) a rudder or even a keel can get tangled up in them.
bcs marinA was built 40 yrs ago when biggest boat was 40 feet
They allow only one type sailboat in Croatia ?
I have chartered out of there and it is super tight. If the wind is blowing its a nightmare without a bow thruster.
If you can navigate and steer you dont need a bow thruster.........
@@CorM1you do if its very windy, smartass.
Is it one of those 100 euros a night places??
Thx for the video. Very nice examples how undocking works.
For me the first one was better than the second.
Personally I don't like to burn the battery with the bow truster.
Question:
Someone there with a good idea how the second one can be done smoother? ;-)
Regards
Well as you said, i think everything was good, nothing major to complain.
If you want it smoother, the second one could have tried to move forward the other way and backwards out (like the first one) and use the prop walk (which should push the stern to starboard with that boat) while he is in the narrow space.
He should also move a little bit more forward cause his pivot point of the boat moves around the neighbors anchor.
The bow thruster is for the battery not a big issue while the engine is on, but yes he uses it quite long.
@@sascha_sailing Thnx for your reply. The first boat is a Dufour 350 and the second an Oceanis 45.
There is less space to turn to port for the second boat. And If I'm right, Benetau Oceanis use to have Yanmar engines, normally the prop walk in reverse is to portside, not to starboard as you mentioned.
Maybe a spring-line from the middle-cleat (pivot point) to the neighbor's bow-cleat will help in very quarter situations, without bow-thruster.
;-)
@@ushi120 Of course the 45 foot has less space but look at the bow, he could have turned a little later and move more forward, then backward with prop walk and so on
i'm not sure about that, but i think that saildrive normally turn clockwise in reverse which turns stern to starboard. dont know which saildrive is installed here but look at these specs from yanmar on page 23
www.yanmar.com/marine/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/0ASDM-EN0023_2018.05.pdf
why do you think he has less space when initially turning to port ?
@a.h. the boat has a bow thruster and it is there for a reason. For training purposes I understand you don't want to use it, but in this case ? Why make it difficult on yourself when you have something on board that makes your life easy ? Being a purist is nice, but being practical is far better in my humble opinion. This boat did not get into trouble, did not create a mess in the marina, no shouting, no screaming, no accidents, so .......well done if you ask me.
@@davedavids9619 que question was, is there a smoother or better solution, nothing else. 😉
Bow trust ☺️
Please try and hold the camera steady, tough to watch
I agree! Looks like it was filmed on a boat; sorry for the motion issues.
Ugh, at least he caught it on video so we could watch it. It's tough to read such a fucking cringe comment too..
What’s with the driving gloves…?
A bad habit to pull the dinghy! Some charter companies forbid this as it could damage the dinghy!
They've built it waaay to tight. I'm from Norway with a long keel 33 footer from the 70's. I basically have no steering backwards and have to turn the boat around to starboard using effect of the prop wash. In totally calm weather without current I can turn it on a dime, but the second there's current or wind my long keel basically turns into the rudder.
I can see that there's only modern boats here that have steering backwards, but building docks like this is just shameful. But people are free to buy these things I guess.. Try getting out when there's some solid wind..
Curzola, Dalmatia, Republic of Venice
Venice is not existing since the begining of 19th century. I think that Italians should worry about the nigerian invasion in Italy, the lawer birth rate in history and obligatory covid passeport to go to work instead of dreaming about past history.
@@mike8966 Venice legally owned Dalmatia, then somebody stole it to la serenissima through the use of violence and never gave it back. I guess it is my right to remember such a historical crime....
@@Caleidus Venice was a decadent pool of degenerated bourgeois and diserved to be destructed by Napoleon. Only the architecture and arts is good from them. How many times those bastards have negotiated peace with the Ottoman just for money and power, against local People and heroes. You should care about Venice and Italy of today, all Europe actually invaded by the third world and under globalist totalitarism. Who cares about history today when our lives are stolen by Psychopates?
@@mike8966 Venice has been one of the greatest city and civilization in human history, the only part of nowadays Croatia not conquered by the Ottomans were the territories ruled by the winged lion. The Christian fleeet in the Lepanto naval battle where the turks were annihilated was mainly made up of venetian ships, the venetian general Marcantonio Bragadin was skinned alive to protect the Med from the ottomans. Without the Venetians coastal Dalmatia would be today a sort of ugly Bosnia Herzegovina on the adriatic with minarets, your son would be probably named Mohammed and you are calling Venetians bastard?
What a horrible harbour
it is not horrible, just narrow.
possibly the worst marina on the planet ,, everyone hates it.