Carb Cheater is now publicly available! This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions! to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned! (Go to "store" on website to buy a kit) Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good. Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment. big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
I think this product is a godsend, there are still a lot of us older "gear heads" that like carbs. Sure EFI is "better" but there is a lot more to go wrong with EFI and it can be expensive to fix IMHO. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to send a kit to your fellow youtubers, VGG, Junkyard Digs, DD's Speed Shop et al. and get them to install it on one of their "revivals" and have them make a video of the install and results. I think the more people see this being utilized by the other people they watch and hearing the positive feedback (which I am certain you would get) would go a long way in promoting and reassuring people this isn't "snake oil". Just my two cents. Wishing you the best of luck and hope these sell like the proverbial "hot cakes". Keep up the great work.
We're at a point where we can do what OEMs used to do at the end of the carb era, but with better and cheaper electronics. Congratulations on bringing this to market!
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!
It's ALIVE! The carburetor world just changed for the best! Such a high quality & comprehensive kit, wow! Congrats., Professor Luke & Dr. Joe! Ya'll are my automotive heroes, along with Smokey Yunick! Ok, I've got to save up my spare change & dollars & get one now! Best wishes & prayers for long term successes! Paul from S. Central Tx.
Honestly, this is a product that could change the landscape of our hobby. Will be ordering soon. I love that you guys put your heart and soul into developing this. I hope this blows up for you guys.
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
This is a GAME CHANGER! BRAVO LUKE! I'm A 69 year old gear head. I HATE FUEL INJECTION! I have a Stock 1979 C-20 454 cu in Edelbrock intake and 625 carb that this unit looks like the perfect match for. Looking forward to your next video!
I'm aussie too and holy shit are we bad with carbys here, so much nonsense in FB groups. Handful of shops have a monopoly on tuning them, properly, because we're lazy, too much money and pay everyone for everything all the time. I'll be buying a couple as soon as I can. Bonus is the wideband is of actual good quality unlike AEM presently, and they want like $300+ AUD for just the wideband + gauge.
@@cobyfield9237 Luke has other videos on this setup that got me interested in the whole carb cheater to begin with. I think it's a great idea and he works on Fords. Like, the cool older ones. I'm actually thinking of using the carb cheater on my side project Holden HQ ute with a rather hopped up 202 inline 6, 4BBL stick shift.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Thanks for the tips Luke! I will grease my gaskets where applicable from now on. Will even save me some money in the long run 👍Also a good thing to note is that it is fail safe. When the Carb Cheater box fails, the carburetor will still be able to function.
Growing up in the 60s and 70s my father drove a 64 Galaxie 500. We had a lot of memories in that car. My mom drove a 63 Galaxie in the late 70s into the 80s.
I gotta check this thing out! I’ve been working with Holleys for years, and I know that there’s more to gain from them. I just don’t have the time. My car sits, more than I drive it. It runs well, but I believe it has more potential. You’ve got me really excited about this!
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
Good on you for actually including everything needed to install the kit. Things like the extended studs for the carb spacer, the fuse holders and the clamp on bung might seem small, but you just saved every single person who buys this kit a drive to the auto parts store. Great work!
Got to say, this is pretty nifty for the people new to cars or just carb tuning. Would be an interesting option for a headache free weekend cruiser that isn't efi too. I've been doing the grease on gasket trick my whole life. Dad was born in Tennessee up in the mountains in 1939. When he was growing up it was basically a requirement to keep sheets of gasket making material on hand to keep everything going on the farm. To prolong the gaskets life and help with sealing they would lather them in grease. When times were real tough they even cut out and layered pages of old mail order catalogs and thin cardboard boxes into truly backwoods made gaskets. They would take the layers and brush them in grease and then set them in the sun to get the grease to become thinner. Once it seemed about right they would take thin boards place the greased up stack of paper on it, place another board on top and then back the tractor on top on the boards to compact it all down. If the tractor was what was broken they would press them under the biggest logs they hadn't already split for the smokehouse or wood burner. He told me the gaskets would many times have a small trickle of fluid or vacuum leak initially. Once they were able to get some heat into it a time or two the paper would swell back up and the leaks would be gone. Some of them lasted way longer than they ever should have. 20yrs ago his sister sold their old family tractor which still had several 30+yr old homemade gaskets holding strong. They used all kinds of other materials at times too and another he said worked rather well was leather soaked in grease or pine tar. I've also used permatex 51845 without the activator on carb gaskets and air cleaner base gaskets with a lot of success. Seals great, doesn't really wipe away, and allows the gasket to be reused nearly indefinitely.
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
A fellow Iowa resident! I've taken a recent interest in old Japanese motorcycles, and 4 carbs at once can really frustrate you. I'd love to learn more about how this system works to see if there's a way to make one for a 4 carb/4 cylinder cycle engine.
You may know this already.. but.. for those who don’t.. Typically motorcycles use CV or Constant Velocity carbs.. which respond differently than Holley or Edelbrock designs.. Because they compensate for airflow by raising or lowering the metering rod based on air velocity, you want to balance them using vacuum sticks or airflow meters. You start with them off the bike and use feeler gauges to set the butterflys..do it with them on the idle stop AND at wide open.. you want them exactly in sync with each other… then check with the vacuum sticks or airflow meters.. they will show vacuum leaks or bad valves/valve adjustments, which are common on Japanese bikes because the shim under bucket can be a pain… As a fellow enthusiast of these bikes and Italian and German as well..only a few things kill them.. bad floats and seats, water/ modern fuel left in them causing corrosion .. after that valves sticking and valve springs collapsing from sitting for years. Best of luck and have fun!
I was into 70s multiple cylinder bikes about 20 years ago. Most of those ( mainly Honda) were not cv carbs. Tiny low speed jets were usually partially plugged up on a neglected bike. Leaky / worn float valves and bad fuel tank petcocks are common. I used a rack of 4 vacuum gages to synchronize them, not hard. High prices for carb parts was the worst problem. Honda (and others )probably had a good reason for using 4 carbs instead of 1, but I don’t know what the reason is. I would love to hear about your efforts to single carb a Japanese multi. Good luck!
My buddy and I cleaned/rebuilt the same set of carbs 3-4 times for one motorcycle. Turns out soaking in cleaner is greater than simply spraying with carb cleaner. Also having a tank cleaned/sealed to get rid of the rust/detritus also helps ;-)
G'day from Australia. Just wanted to say- please don't ever apologize for the tech tips mate, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates them. Cheers and keep up the good work
This looks like an awesome setup for someone who can't afford to go EFI or wants to keep that classic carb but wants something to help hold it in tune better. I can see this exploding in popularity because it's like the in between step between carb and EFI. You have a carb, then carb with the carb cheater, throttle body EFI, then multiport EFI. Awesome job guys 👍👍
I bet a spacer plate with vacuum hoses could do the trick. I'm thinking about doing the same on my 52 Ford with the straight 6 and factory intake manifold
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
Luke & Joe well done, will be buying one for sure, you guys were born 50-70 yrs. to late this would have a been god sent back in the day, not that it not now, good luck with your success.
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
Wow $383 for the full kit is a great price compared to a holly sniper or something similar. I'm gonna order one before Holly or another company offers you a billion dollars and Jack's the price to $3k. Awesome product man.
We made it to help people and didn't want to be price prohibitive in doing that. We both are just fine on money these days - not glutinous for money type people.
Not a bad price the big question how ever is tech support. Never underestimate the general population to take something painfully simple and screw up the install. They do it every day with Snipers failing to read the instructions and then blame the product for install problems.
Great ideal you just got another subscriber. Looking forward to seeing your next video. You have just brought carburetors back to life in a whole new world and thank you brother. God bless you and your family
Luke, this thing is awesome, but you need a layout that is easier to conceal, because a lot of the people who will want this are keeping their carburetors because they are driving classics, and don't want the visual changes under their hood.
I haven't purchased one yet but I sure plan to within the next few months. Don't apologize for all the tech tips, they are very welcomed and appreciated.
I had an idea similar to this and was searching to see if it was a thing and found you. What you have done with it is beyond what I was even thinking. Like a separate cruise AFR! This is probably the best car product I've ever seen.
Now this is cool Luke! I can’t wait to get my hands on one! I have a 1979 nova with the 250 straight six and would love to put the carb cheater on it for fun and see how it works!
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
Very impressive creating a controlled vacuum leak to lean out a rich carburetor until the mixture gets as close to stoichiometric as possible. An elegant and simple solution to a limitation of carbs we've had to put up with for years.
This is extremely intriguing, I love driving my T-bird but the gas mileage isn't great, so it sounds like this is just the kind of thing I could use to feel free to drive it more often.
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how Carb Cheater enriches a lean mixture (electric choke?). It's easy to understand how it leans the mixture. The real key to this obviously is the Wideband O2 sensor along with your software. Wideband sensors gave.give the average guy the ability to monitor the A/F ratio real time and not have to rely on the old method of reading spark plugs or having to go to a specialty shop to have tuning done. The easy availability of wideband O2 sensors (and gauges/software to read them) has helped carburated and fuel injected enthusiasts. Anyway nice work!
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
that thing you did with soaking your gasket in grease, i use oil, just before install, works great! lots of moped gaskets to done like that, no headgaskets tho!!
We don't charge enough to be rich, this is a near cost scenario after all the business and taxes are said and done. We're just happy to make something for the automotive community 🙂👍
As someone who had never worked on large carbs (only ever done lawnmower stuff) this is *really* cool. It looks like it would take some of the mystery out of tuning, if I ever own a car with a carburetor I'm definitely going to put this on it.
@11:15 using wheel bearing grease on fiber gaskets - related hack, I've used chapstick on Holly carb float bowl gaskets ;) I also use grease on cork/rubber valve cover gaskets, adhere the gasket to the cover w/ silicone, and then grease the side that contacts the engine head... use only enough bolt torque to arrest any leaking (contact, plus a quarter turn!) and I've open and closed the same valve covers repeatedly over 11-years reusing the same gaskets.
I think I remember how this product works and the one thing I can’t handle is the sound of a vacuum leak😂. Honestly it is a great product and you will benefit from having it. A wide band 02 sensor has really helped with carburetor tuning.
@@ThunderHead289 So, I see Carb Cheater it is basically using a vacuum leak to tune. Is the principle behind this to product to reduce manifold vacuum and thereby decrease signal to the carb, or is the added air supply doing the leaning just by itself?
Should cause 40 years ago was the 1980s and auto manufacturers were using feedback carburetors that had sensors to monitor and adjust the carburetor on the go. It just wasn't that big of a jump so it was dropped in favor of true EFI.
So a controlled vacuum leak ...simple and effective and what a blessing for folks who live in climates with massive temp and Barometric pressure swings... I fuel inject everything because I lean burn my gas rigs... But this is a decent solution for Holley and Carter that have less than stellar emulsion processes ...good job
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
Phone doesn't have to be connected for carb cheater to run - its just your user interface to make target changes and to watch your gauges if you want to. You can completely not have your phone in the vehicle - no problem, it's still doing its thing 🙂
This is fascinating and awesome, very cool. You answered my only question in the last 1 minute, you do not have to have the phone connected, the box will remember your settings.
My buddy and I have been having a debate for the past 2 years on what engine we want to swap into a project 1991 S10. Knew we wanted a V8, but weren't sure if we wanted to stick with an older generation smallblock or move towards an LS. I'm confident over time (and with patience) I could learn at least the general idea of carburetor tuning, but having the advent of fuel injection and HP tuners made me want to gravitate more towards an LS, which would've been a pain because the S10 already had a 1996 350 swapped into it. But having this as an option? All I can say is thank you, because this makes the whole process a lot easier, and I can simply forget about anything LS-related. I've got a feeling that it'll be less expensive in the long run too. I can probably get close to 95% full tuning with a carb given enough time, but this could get me that last 5% that's probably out of reach.
The LS stock is still better/more efficient than an older Chev... the stock LS heads far outflow the older heads... unless you're porting them. Stock LS heads still flow better than the 96 Vortec heads. Also the crank position sensor allows timing changes by the ECU constantly and is far more accurate than a mechanical distributor, especially one with a lot of miles on it. That said, I'm still keeping one 1st gen built small block because I am emotionally (and financially lol) well attached to it
It is a simple way to add closed loop fuel mixture control to a carburated system during vehicle conditions where there is a decent amount of manifold vacuum :-). The gear head end user could use this to tweak the carb metering so that this system did not need to adjust as much.
Nice to see the actual installation is as easy as possible I emailed last time you posted a video on the carb cheater as soon as you are ready to ship to Australia i am happy to be a paying local tester
Congrats - I knew about this and watched this anyway. I don't have any use for it but I gave it some thought and figured at what price point this would be viable and you NAILED it. Exactly my guess, I hope you sell a mountain of these things... wait, could I run this on my lawn mower?
Very cool product, I’m glad you came up with this, it’s genius and will hopefully help save the carburetor world since everyone is afraid of carbs and always pushing fuel injection, which I’ve never liked. Love my carbs, so I’ll be checking more into this. Great work y’all!
An old school trick for you guys out there is to take a piece o vaccuum hose and interconnect 2 vaccuum ports at the same time, replacing those nasty caps. Also, use a bolt to plug an inch worth of vac hose in order to plug the ole ports real good
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Carb Cheater is now publicly available!
This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions!
to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned!
(Go to "store" on website to buy a kit)
Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good.
Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment.
big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Who reads instructions?!?!?!
@@estonianperson1112I can't even read
@@ThunderHead289 Looks like we're about even then. I'm allergic to reading instructions!
Good thing you are a programmer.
Do you make a kit that will work on a carter bbd
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
lmao. a pwm controlled vacuum leak beneath a carb jetted too rich IS NOT going to put any OEM on its ear. lmao.
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
Thank you so much Luke for all you've taught the carburetor community, you sir are a true national treasure and a genius!
No genius - just a guy who can beat his head against a wall a lot and a good support team in Joe ternus behind me on this project 👍
I think this product is a godsend, there are still a lot of us older "gear heads" that like carbs. Sure EFI is "better" but there is a lot more to go wrong with EFI and it can be expensive to fix IMHO. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to send a kit to your fellow youtubers, VGG, Junkyard Digs, DD's Speed Shop et al. and get them to install it on one of their "revivals" and have them make a video of the install and results. I think the more people see this being utilized by the other people they watch and hearing the positive feedback (which I am certain you would get) would go a long way in promoting and reassuring people this isn't "snake oil". Just my two cents. Wishing you the best of luck and hope these sell like the proverbial "hot cakes". Keep up the great work.
We're at a point where we can do what OEMs used to do at the end of the carb era, but with better and cheaper electronics. Congratulations on bringing this to market!
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!
It's ALIVE! The carburetor world just changed for the best! Such a high quality & comprehensive kit, wow! Congrats., Professor Luke & Dr. Joe! Ya'll are my automotive heroes, along with Smokey Yunick! Ok, I've got to save up my spare change & dollars & get one now! Best wishes & prayers for long term successes! Paul from S. Central Tx.
Honestly, this is a product that could change the landscape of our hobby. Will be ordering soon. I love that you guys put your heart and soul into developing this. I hope this blows up for you guys.
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
We both thank you very much and I hope cc serves you as well as it has served me 🙂
Luke....you NAILED IT!!!! For what its worth thanks for keeping it simple and so darn effective....
WELL DONE 🍻
This is a GAME CHANGER! BRAVO LUKE! I'm A 69 year old gear head. I HATE FUEL INJECTION! I have a Stock 1979 C-20 454 cu in Edelbrock intake and 625 carb that this unit looks like the perfect match for. Looking forward to your next video!
Its pretty amazing the amount of features you get for the price, I was honestly expecting it to be higher
I'm in Australia too and very keen on one of these in the near future. Cheers for being awesome Luke and Joe.
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I'm aussie too and holy shit are we bad with carbys here, so much nonsense in FB groups. Handful of shops have a monopoly on tuning them, properly, because we're lazy, too much money and pay everyone for everything all the time. I'll be buying a couple as soon as I can. Bonus is the wideband is of actual good quality unlike AEM presently, and they want like $300+ AUD for just the wideband + gauge.
@@cobyfield9237 Luke has other videos on this setup that got me interested in the whole carb cheater to begin with. I think it's a great idea and he works on Fords. Like, the cool older ones. I'm actually thinking of using the carb cheater on my side project Holden HQ ute with a rather hopped up 202 inline 6, 4BBL stick shift.
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This is a great invention for carb enthusiasts! I hope the product takes off for you, Luke. Great job as always!
Please keep the tech tips in your videos. They are GOLD! Especially for beginners and hobbyist that don't do this full time.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Great job Luke, i would imagine that the carb industry is going to latch onto this idea and try to add accessories for it!
Congratulations Luke. Looks really well engineered and well thought out. Good luck, especially with the help line.
Thanks for the tips Luke! I will grease my gaskets where applicable from now on. Will even save me some money in the long run 👍Also a good thing to note is that it is fail safe. When the Carb Cheater box fails, the carburetor will still be able to function.
I use spray silicone lube. Works great. 2 quick coats on each side
Growing up in the 60s and 70s my father drove a 64 Galaxie 500. We had a lot of memories in that car. My mom drove a 63 Galaxie in the late 70s into the 80s.
I gotta check this thing out! I’ve been working with Holleys for years, and I know that there’s more to gain from them. I just don’t have the time. My car sits, more than I drive it. It runs well, but I believe it has more potential. You’ve got me really excited about this!
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
"double bubble butt bevel" I think could work 😉
Good on you for actually including everything needed to install the kit. Things like the extended studs for the carb spacer, the fuse holders and the clamp on bung might seem small, but you just saved every single person who buys this kit a drive to the auto parts store. Great work!
We want it to be very easy, it really does take less than 2 hours to install - we wanted it to be an enjoyable process, not frustrating 🙂
Got to say, this is pretty nifty for the people new to cars or just carb tuning. Would be an interesting option for a headache free weekend cruiser that isn't efi too.
I've been doing the grease on gasket trick my whole life. Dad was born in Tennessee up in the mountains in 1939. When he was growing up it was basically a requirement to keep sheets of gasket making material on hand to keep everything going on the farm. To prolong the gaskets life and help with sealing they would lather them in grease.
When times were real tough they even cut out and layered pages of old mail order catalogs and thin cardboard boxes into truly backwoods made gaskets. They would take the layers and brush them in grease and then set them in the sun to get the grease to become thinner.
Once it seemed about right they would take thin boards place the greased up stack of paper on it, place another board on top and then back the tractor on top on the boards to compact it all down. If the tractor was what was broken they would press them under the biggest logs they hadn't already split for the smokehouse or wood burner.
He told me the gaskets would many times have a small trickle of fluid or vacuum leak initially. Once they were able to get some heat into it a time or two the paper would swell back up and the leaks would be gone. Some of them lasted way longer than they ever should have. 20yrs ago his sister sold their old family tractor which still had several 30+yr old homemade gaskets holding strong.
They used all kinds of other materials at times too and another he said worked rather well was leather soaked in grease or pine tar.
I've also used permatex 51845 without the activator on carb gaskets and air cleaner base gaskets with a lot of success. Seals great, doesn't really wipe away, and allows the gasket to be reused nearly indefinitely.
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
Giving your Dad a close ratio 4 speed for his truck is about as awesome as it gets!
A fellow Iowa resident! I've taken a recent interest in old Japanese motorcycles, and 4 carbs at once can really frustrate you. I'd love to learn more about how this system works to see if there's a way to make one for a 4 carb/4 cylinder cycle engine.
You may know this already.. but.. for those who don’t.. Typically motorcycles use CV or Constant Velocity carbs.. which respond differently than Holley or Edelbrock designs.. Because they compensate for airflow by raising or lowering the metering rod based on air velocity, you want to balance them using vacuum sticks or airflow meters. You start with them off the bike and use feeler gauges to set the butterflys..do it with them on the idle stop AND at wide open.. you want them exactly in sync with each other… then check with the vacuum sticks or airflow meters.. they will show vacuum leaks or bad valves/valve adjustments, which are common on Japanese bikes because the shim under bucket can be a pain… As a fellow enthusiast of these bikes and Italian and German as well..only a few things kill them.. bad floats and seats, water/ modern fuel left in them causing corrosion .. after that valves sticking and valve springs collapsing from sitting for years. Best of luck and have fun!
I was into 70s multiple cylinder bikes about 20 years ago. Most of those ( mainly Honda) were not cv carbs. Tiny low speed jets were usually partially plugged up on a neglected bike. Leaky / worn float valves and bad fuel tank petcocks are common. I used a rack of 4 vacuum gages to synchronize them, not hard. High prices for carb parts was the worst problem. Honda (and others )probably had a good reason for using 4 carbs instead of 1, but I don’t know what the reason is. I would love to hear about your efforts to single carb a Japanese multi. Good luck!
My buddy and I cleaned/rebuilt the same set of carbs 3-4 times for one motorcycle. Turns out soaking in cleaner is greater than simply spraying with carb cleaner. Also having a tank cleaned/sealed to get rid of the rust/detritus also helps ;-)
Thunder products intelajet or dialajet for motorcycle carbs.
G'day from Australia. Just wanted to say- please don't ever apologize for the tech tips mate, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates them. Cheers and keep up the good work
This looks like an awesome setup for someone who can't afford to go EFI or wants to keep that classic carb but wants something to help hold it in tune better. I can see this exploding in popularity because it's like the in between step between carb and EFI. You have a carb, then carb with the carb cheater, throttle body EFI, then multiport EFI. Awesome job guys 👍👍
Nicely done Luke! Can this benefit a single barrel application, like an Autolite 1100 in an F100?
I believe they had that exact setup in a previous video, the green f100
I bet a spacer plate with vacuum hoses could do the trick. I'm thinking about doing the same on my 52 Ford with the straight 6 and factory intake manifold
Id love a break down of how this works. Because this looks like a really cool system.
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
Luke & Joe well done, will be buying one for sure, you guys were born 50-70 yrs. to late this would have a been god sent back in the day, not that it not now, good luck with your success.
Installing ours this weekend so we can play with it next week! Looking forward to trying this little bit of dark wizardry out!
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
Wow $383 for the full kit is a great price compared to a holly sniper or something similar. I'm gonna order one before Holly or another company offers you a billion dollars and Jack's the price to $3k. Awesome product man.
We made it to help people and didn't want to be price prohibitive in doing that. We both are just fine on money these days - not glutinous for money type people.
Not a bad price the big question how ever is tech support.
Never underestimate the general population to take something painfully simple and screw up the install. They do it every day with Snipers failing to read the instructions and then blame the product for install problems.
Thanks Luke! Looking forward to diving deeper into the app. The system worked great right out of the box for me but now I need to PLAY with it. 👍
Great ideal you just got another subscriber. Looking forward to seeing your next video. You have just brought carburetors back to life in a whole new world and thank you brother. God bless you and your family
Incredible little setup. We all wanted this but there wasn't anything like it. Please don't up the price before I can get one on my car!
Luke, this thing is awesome, but you need a layout that is easier to conceal, because a lot of the people who will want this are keeping their carburetors because they are driving classics, and don't want the visual changes under their hood.
Maybe mount it under the dash & pass the wires & hoses thru the firewall with grommets ?.....
It's pretty easy to conceal this system.
I'm glad Luke decided to make this for purchase. I am not a fan of carburetors but definitely understand their is a need. Good luck.
I haven't purchased one yet but I sure plan to within the next few months. Don't apologize for all the tech tips, they are very welcomed and appreciated.
How well does this work with an engine that has a larger cam?
Hey Luke, what will be the difference between beta and final version? When will final version be shipped? Is it worthwhile waiting?
I had an idea similar to this and was searching to see if it was a thing and found you. What you have done with it is beyond what I was even thinking. Like a separate cruise AFR! This is probably the best car product I've ever seen.
Absolutely love the tech tips, helps with keeping the old iron running good and easier to maintain
hi Luke , will you be posting to Australia ?
I'm probably going to buy one of these too and need it shipped to the other side of the world..to Estonia, in Europe. Import fees would kill me!
Or to Norway?
im gonna need more than one lol i have 12 cars
@@panelvanman7671 I'll need a coupe of them too 🤣
Ordering one to Sweden ASAP.
Now this is cool Luke! I can’t wait to get my hands on one! I have a 1979 nova with the 250 straight six and would love to put the carb cheater on it for fun and see how it works!
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
Very impressive creating a controlled vacuum leak to lean out a rich carburetor until the mixture gets as close to stoichiometric as possible. An elegant and simple solution to a limitation of carbs we've had to put up with for years.
This is extremely intriguing, I love driving my T-bird but the gas mileage isn't great, so it sounds like this is just the kind of thing I could use to feel free to drive it more often.
Huge THANX Luke!!!! your abilities make me smile! Aint seen innovation like yours in DECADES!!!!
I hope you can keep up with the demand! This is going to be great I can’t wait to see what everyone does with this thing!
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how Carb Cheater enriches a lean mixture (electric choke?). It's easy to understand how it leans the mixture.
The real key to this obviously is the Wideband O2 sensor along with your software.
Wideband sensors gave.give the average guy the ability to monitor the A/F ratio real time and not have to rely on the old method of reading spark plugs or having to go to a specialty shop to have tuning done. The easy availability of wideband O2 sensors (and gauges/software to read them) has helped carburated and fuel injected enthusiasts.
Anyway nice work!
I give u so mich credit for doing this when all the heavy weights out there wont like it.great work.i also like how humble u are much respect
Got mine today. I'll probably install it tomorrow or Monday. Another way I like to drain the carb is to use a spray paint can lid to catch the gas
Getting ready to make my order to stick it on my 302 in my old boat. I know you don't specify marine applications but I figured I would just try it.
Well I know what I’m buying for my old bull nose F150 next payday. I seriously cannot thank you enough for making this👍
I want that as a shirt. "This is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment."
Great product that fills a void for sure. Any future for an IOS version for us IPhone people?
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
Better than sucking a peoce of gasket into a valve and bending it potentially 🙂
that thing you did with soaking your gasket in grease, i use oil, just before install, works great! lots of moped gaskets to done like that, no headgaskets tho!!
I can’t wait to install this on my 72 C-10 step-side. You rock man!!
Geek and petrol head/gear head, are a awesome combo.
Dont apologize for the tech tips, we frakin' love them.
VERY IMPRESSIVE! I AM SURE IT WILL SELL WELL IN AUSSIELAND AS WELL. I WOULD HAVE LOVED ONE BACK IN THE 80/90'S WHEN MY CARS WERE ALL CARBED.
I knew that you were going to be rich one day. Congratulations on your invention!
We don't charge enough to be rich, this is a near cost scenario after all the business and taxes are said and done. We're just happy to make something for the automotive community 🙂👍
As someone who had never worked on large carbs (only ever done lawnmower stuff) this is *really* cool. It looks like it would take some of the mystery out of tuning, if I ever own a car with a carburetor I'm definitely going to put this on it.
why am i watching this? i don't even own a cellphone.
best wishes for success, luke!
This coupled with your buddies customisable distributor will lead to some sweet running vehicles
Keep up the great work man. I've been in this business 30 years I'm quite impressed and that says a lot. Follow your dreams
Very impressive..good to see a young man realize his dreams..Don't let the top 1% steal this...
@11:15 using wheel bearing grease on fiber gaskets - related hack, I've used chapstick on Holly carb float bowl gaskets ;) I also use grease on cork/rubber valve cover gaskets, adhere the gasket to the cover w/ silicone, and then grease the side that contacts the engine head... use only enough bolt torque to arrest any leaking (contact, plus a quarter turn!) and I've open and closed the same valve covers repeatedly over 11-years reusing the same gaskets.
Luke, you mounted that tac in your dad's pickup in the same posture that I mounted mine in my '71. Logical location.
I think I remember how this product works and the one thing I can’t handle is the sound of a vacuum leak😂. Honestly it is a great product and you will benefit from having it. A wide band 02 sensor has really helped with carburetor tuning.
I baffled it, so its much better than one would think - but yes a wideband is bar non the most instrumental item in precision tuning.
@@ThunderHead289 So, I see Carb Cheater it is basically using a vacuum leak to tune. Is the principle behind this to product to reduce manifold vacuum and thereby decrease signal to the carb, or is the added air supply doing the leaning just by itself?
I'm really excited to play with this on my old suburban that I pretty much test everything on.
i just ordered mine :) been a big fan of yours since years, greetings from the netherlands :D
Thanks so much 🙂
Hope you enjoy it - one of those things I had always wished someone made anyway
thank you luke for this beutiful device! i will certainly enjoy tinkering with it :) wil let you know how it goes @@ThunderHead289
Me being old and was alive and rode around in the late 60's cars growing up, would have never believed you if you told me this 30 or 40 years ago.
Should cause 40 years ago was the 1980s and auto manufacturers were using feedback carburetors that had sensors to monitor and adjust the carburetor on the go.
It just wasn't that big of a jump so it was dropped in favor of true EFI.
So a controlled vacuum leak ...simple and effective and what a blessing for folks who live in climates with massive temp and Barometric pressure swings... I fuel inject everything because I lean burn my gas rigs... But this is a decent solution for Holley and Carter that have less than stellar emulsion processes ...good job
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
There was that real bad storm this weekend nice to see your barn is still up, I hate iowa weather sometimes
Iowa is a feast or famine anymore when it comes to weather isn't it - dang. We got rattled this weekend for sure
Very interesting alternative to just jetting the carb correctly
Drive a carbed car in the morning and then home from work. Your afr will be different - strikingly.
He's got a blown power valve on his Holley. It's running full rich on him and he doesn't know it.
Since different family drive different vehicles, one phone disturbed me at first. Looking forward to next video.
Phone doesn't have to be connected for carb cheater to run - its just your user interface to make target changes and to watch your gauges if you want to. You can completely not have your phone in the vehicle - no problem, it's still doing its thing 🙂
This is going to be much easier to deal with and muuuuch cheaper than a new EFI system. So cool.
I dig your dads Boxwood Green F100!
Congrats! Hope you're ready for some sales. 🙂Gladly pre-ordered.
I just think this dude is brilliant. I'm glad i found his videos through his lawnmower carb experiments.
I'm not smart, I can just beat my head against a wall to learn something longer than most
@@ThunderHead289 fair enough. "tenacious" perhaps?
This is fascinating and awesome, very cool.
You answered my only question in the last 1 minute, you do not have to have the phone connected, the box will remember your settings.
I am so waiting for mine to come in the mail. Looking forward to the benchmark video. Great job guys.
This is brilliant great product what an awesome talent you have
i have been on the fence on fuel injection. i love the carb but it its very interesting to know how its running
My buddy and I have been having a debate for the past 2 years on what engine we want to swap into a project 1991 S10. Knew we wanted a V8, but weren't sure if we wanted to stick with an older generation smallblock or move towards an LS. I'm confident over time (and with patience) I could learn at least the general idea of carburetor tuning, but having the advent of fuel injection and HP tuners made me want to gravitate more towards an LS, which would've been a pain because the S10 already had a 1996 350 swapped into it.
But having this as an option? All I can say is thank you, because this makes the whole process a lot easier, and I can simply forget about anything LS-related. I've got a feeling that it'll be less expensive in the long run too. I can probably get close to 95% full tuning with a carb given enough time, but this could get me that last 5% that's probably out of reach.
The LS stock is still better/more efficient than an older Chev... the stock LS heads far outflow the older heads... unless you're porting them. Stock LS heads still flow better than the 96 Vortec heads. Also the crank position sensor allows timing changes by the ECU constantly and is far more accurate than a mechanical distributor, especially one with a lot of miles on it.
That said, I'm still keeping one 1st gen built small block because I am emotionally (and financially lol) well attached to it
It is a simple way to add closed loop fuel mixture control to a carburated system during vehicle conditions where there is a decent amount of manifold vacuum :-). The gear head end user could use this to tweak the carb metering so that this system did not need to adjust as much.
By simple I mean "simple for the end user" :-).
This is sick! The wave of the future for carbed engines..................👍
Love seeing the creation of this as it went on your channel. Great work and amazing
Nice to see the actual installation is as easy as possible
I emailed last time you posted a video on the carb cheater
as soon as you are ready to ship to Australia i am happy to be a paying local tester
Congrats - I knew about this and watched this anyway. I don't have any use for it but I gave it some thought and figured at what price point this would be viable and you NAILED it. Exactly my guess, I hope you sell a mountain of these things... wait, could I run this on my lawn mower?
Very cool product, I’m glad you came up with this, it’s genius and will hopefully help save the carburetor world since everyone is afraid of carbs and always pushing fuel injection, which I’ve never liked. Love my carbs, so I’ll be checking more into this. Great work y’all!
An old school trick for you guys out there is to take a piece o vaccuum hose and interconnect 2 vaccuum ports at the same time, replacing those nasty caps. Also, use a bolt to plug an inch worth of vac hose in order to plug the ole ports real good
Love the vise grip with rubber hoses trick!