Holley: "Carburetors are dead" Edelbrock: " Hold my beer" - The New VRS 4150 Is The Ultimate Carb
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- A higher up at Holley recently told us they were going to start phasing out carburetors in favor of EFI systems. Well, someone at Edelbrock heard the same news and decided to crush Holley at its own game.
Now with the VRS 4150 joining the current Edelbrock AFB and AVS based offering, the company has a carburetor to fit everyone's needs, from daily driver to Rock Crawler.
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Our shop and all around us have had none, I repeat, NONE of the new tbi fuel injection systems last or work at all. Not from any manufacturer at any price point. Our first recommendation to shit running cars is “take that damn efi off”
Ben, I'm going to pin this comment, because I think what you're saying holds true for many people, and I think this would be a good point of discussion.
I'm not a fan of the Holly EFI stuff but I can tell you when it first started getting big my buddy bought a holly sniper system hooked it all up and two of the injectors were dead right out of the box! they did send him a complete new setup with the handheld touch screen and everything they didn't just replace the injectors they sent him a whole new kit and he has had it on at least two different engines but I'm still not a fan even though driveability is great cold starts are great but it's just not for me! so carburetor all the way!
Well you've sold me. My 750 DP stays.
It's amazing how many people's projects sit after an efi failure. It was a lure to alot of people nearby because of the drastic elevation and temperature changes we experience. It was 54°C (129°) for over a week in my community in Canada and I drove carbureted vehicles everyday. No undrivability problems. And then 3 months later.... foots of snow and again no carburetor issues... maintenance is key.
Take care from Quasi Mofo
The Hunchback of Canaderp
I have to be honest here, making a blanket statement that there isn’t a good TBI aftermarket fuel injection system available now sounds like you’ve written them off without ever installing, tuning and maintaining them. Their early systems had a high failure rate, and the use of overseas sourced parts hasn’t made them flawless, but I’ve had a FITech and a Holley Sniper both perform very well over the last few years without issue.
Are they the solution for everyone? No, there isn’t one way to do things. But to condemn the idea of adding EFI to an originally carbureted car as unreliable or too problematic simply isn’t true. Keeping an open mind and accepting that innovation happens doesn’t mean there’s no place for a mechanical carburetor any more than saying there’s no use for an older car now that we have airbags, ABS, and other important safety features. If you learn the systems and work on them they have their merits, as well as some drawbacks. But I will say they’ve kept more than a couple of my friends driving their classic cars because they don’t seem to need quite the same level of constant tuning as many old carburetors do. But maybe I’m just seeing it from one angle as well.
Thank you Edelbrock for continuing the carburetor tradition! 👍
@@jonathanlawson4667 more like reengineered and greatly improved upon.
So did Quick Fuel......and no one is complaining
@@jonathanlawson4667 Holley BOUGHT QFT, just like they did with Barry Grant. QFT was offering a better version of the 4150 just like Edelbrock is doing.
@@jonoh4883 , zf
The 650cfm Edelbrock on my Mustang sat in my parents' garage, getting crapped and pissed in by rats, and clogged with rat nest material for seven years. When I finally gave up on the MSD Atomic EFI that I'd been running, I picked the Edelbrock up, dumped the rat debris out, sprayed it out with carb cleaner, bolted it onto the engine, primed it, and started it... and haven't touched an adjustment screw or anything else. It's the AK47 of carburetors, it doesn't care how it's been treated, it just works.
Thanks for the shout out of my review of the new Edelbrock VRS 4150 carburetor. Cheers!
I watched it killer video man!
great channel sir.
Very few car channels have the honest joy and emotion that Tony does when he gets in his bubble. When you get into what you are passionate about the rest of the world just disappears. Wish more people in the automotive industry got like this. Especially on camera. Thank you for what you do Tony and I look forward to your review on this new 4150 from Edelbrock.
Agreed. When the car went by outside and Tony had to stop and listen to it and say, "Wonder what they've got in theirs...", it was nothing short of charming. And I say that not in a quaint or patronizing way; it genuinely made me smile that it would so get his attention that he would stop to acknowledge and comment on it.
Yep
Amen!
You think Mrs. Uncle Tony gets lonely sometimes or is ok when Tony goes into his happy land zone ?
@@silent1967 if she’s anything like my car guy wife she is probably happy for the peace and quiet 😂
Vic was a classic guy! His contributions to hot rodding are huge! Im glad ive supported Edelbrock over the years.
my radio is electronic,my microwave,my tv,hell even my blood pressure monitor is electronic,to power my car down the road,with modules and sensors and tps switches,map maf NO THANK YOU,broke down in texas with modules out,sitting on the side of the road in 107 weather,keep it,everything i own is points and carb,so's my lawnmowers,old school is the SCHOOL
Dude, I’ve been modifying Holley carbs for years. I saw that video about the new Edelbrock carb. I was blown away!!! I can’t wait to get my hands on one!! 😊
The first time I installed an Edelbrock 1406 on my old truck I never looked back. No leaks. Starts instantly in cold weather after sitting. Basically no adjustment needed, ran right out of the box just needed slight tweaking. It sat once for years and I rebuilt and cleaned it out without even removing it from the intake. Such a good, simple reliable carb. They just work.
I would park my car in Sept/oct due to weather, then late april, no prep, startup instantly. A non leaking old carb can work just fine.
I bought a 1405 and a 1406 togeather on marketplace and I restored the 1405 and put an electric choke on it. The 1406 was in much worse condition so I did the 1405 first. I just need to put it on something now
FINALLY someone has clearly--- with actual carbs-- pointed out the differences between the two, and the limitations and strengths of them both! THANK YOU PROFESSOR! :)
A holley carb is known as a plain tube carb eldebrock is a air valve carburetor. Holleys have a more dense charge below the throttle plate then edelbrock or carter's because there not pushing on a spring loaded door.
You can tell Tony's motivation isn't financial gain. He sincerely wants to share information. This man deserves to be listened to because the guys I know who have his kind of knowledge they are reluctant to share because most people don't listen.
You can tell that Tony is all about cars. Towards the end of the video he heard a souped up car go by. He smiled and said, ”I wonder what they got on theirs?” This guy’s great 👍
PEOPLE DONT LISTEN!! Story of my life
bullshit
A short time ago I tried hard for over a week to talk to a human being at Holley over the phone, never could never did and gave up...at least you got to talk to someone.
Past two times I called Holley, I spent over an hour each time on hold before someone picked up. And on one of the calls, they put me on hold for another 25 minutes to find the part number of the block plate for a scatter shield that I needed.
I Am Not A Robot 🤖...
Holly bought out Brothers truck shop in Corona. Now there is no more store pick up for parts. They have to ship everything. More $$$$$ for them = bad service
I'll get a lot of flack for this but I'd like to see you go through a quadrajet in depth.
The first Holley trick I learned from a couple of mechanics who had a shop I worked detailing next to all through high school and showed me how to make the secondaries work circa fall 1970. I had built my first hot engine a 273 and it had a 290 degree crower cam cam, TRW 10.5to 1's ,cyclone fenderwell headers a mallory dual point dist.and a D4RB edelbrock manifold with a holley 600. I had broken it in carefully and now wanted it to run now . Echevaria and Rodrigues ,the two mechanics smiled at each other and said "The sheet metal screw trick" One of them disappeared into the shop and came out and inserted a sheet metal screw in the secondary pull off slot that closes the secondaries .They were about ten years older than me,had set up my mallory dual point and told me they wanted to hear me get on my 63Valiant v100 coupe in all four gears on the expressway next to the shop or they would severely punish me (They were Chevy guys). I did and could not stop grinning for about a hour after. It ran bitchin compared to the 170 and 225 slants I had the previous year after getting my license. The sheet metal screw gets rid of the vacuum secondaries control and makes Them open NOW.
I did that exact same thing years ago on a Holly 600 works like a charm.
Yeah but there is no second squirter on the vacuum secondary’s, it would be one hell of a lean bog there is no way that would perform good.
It works! They did the same thing at the track back then and today 😉
As exciting as this new carburetor innovation is... you really piqued my interest when you mentioned being a mechanical fuel injection nerd. Can we expect some related content sometime soon? Please? As a Corvette nut I've always been fascinated with Chevy's mechanical fuelies from '57 to '65.
Yes please to this sort of content. Also fuel systems on the nitro motors which are their own cool beast
About 15 years ago I was putting my #1850 on my rebuilt engine and I broke an ear off the baseplate. Went and bought a 600 Edelbrock and used that. It had lean stumbles and just plain ran poorly.
Took the truck to the local hot rod shop. Put it on the Dyno and spent a day trying to tune that carb. Never did get it perfect. We were down to hand sanding the metering rods to try to get it to work.
Did the best we could.
I drove it a few weeks untill I found a used baseplate for my Holley so I put that carb back on.
Went back to the chassis Dyno and the unmodified Holley with a used baseplate put out 60 more HP and 90 ft lbs more than the Edelbrock. That sold me on Holley's.
You know the world's in a bad State of Affairs when Holley quits making carburetors that's insane
Doesn't hurt my feelings. I never liked Holley. I don't know if they are the same (my carb is 50 years old), but the Edelbrock looks just like the Carter AFB that was my fav.
They didnt stop producing carbs. They just stopped trying to improve upon them.
Myself never had good luck with Holly carbs would work good in the driveway or flat but if you want uphill downhill they would start to flood over or just float over whenever they felt like it Eldo Brock by far much simpler easier all-around bed better design
They aren't stopping making carbs. There are more models of performance carburetors available from Holley and other manufacturers than ever in history. Tony is just falling into the click bait trap.
I want to try a set on Casper! Dominator vs VRS shootout on the Dyno and Track
Competition sometimes is a good thing for the consumer. Be interesting to see if Holley will come up with anything new. We definitely don't need companies trying to phase out carburetors. Hopefully some would step up in place on the market.
It's corporate. Always thinking about the buck.
It's a problem when a mega giant corporation has bought and owns all the competitors.
There's lots of great carb companies out there, and plenty of carbs, they aren't going anywhere soon!
@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty If there's no profit, there's no carburetors. it's all about volume, and how much people are willing to pay.
I agree with everything you guys said so far..Glad we have a lot of like minds on this channel here!
I recently came across your channel and I absolutely love and agree with everything you say. Back in the early 80s I’ve put a Holley carburetor on a Chevy Chevelle 307 engine that I modified and had nothing but problems with it. I was constantly tuning it and dialing it just so it would run. I currently have an Edelbrock on a 73 Ford bronco 302 engine that’s so far has worked spotlessly no problems whatsoever. Really like the inside to provide. One last thing you discussed how to adjust a gap on points and I’ve never used a dwell meter but used my dwell meter and it worked flawlessly. Thanks so much
I’ve personally installed dozens of sniper units here in northern Va where the weather changes drastically all the time. Never ONCE have I encountered an issue. I’ve also corrected or fixed the install of at least 20 systems that other shops or “installers” did simply because they can’t read instructions or think they are smarter than Holley. I love when people want to blame the brand instead of the installers and I’m tired of dinosaurs shitting on tech they refuse to accept for childish reasons. My point is if it doesn’t perform to your expectations it’s not always the products fault. Most of the time it’s incorrect fuel supply or ststem install or tune files set up very far from correct. I also love carburetors and know they have a place and I’m thrilled to see them still growing and getting better. There’s a lot of people now that want an old school hot rod that can’t tune or have the time to play with jetting their carb every few weeks or want to be under the hood at all. They want to drive their car and enjoy it. That’s where the sniper is ideal. My customers that don’t mind an occasional jetting or squirter change can rock an HP 4150 and love it. Both have their place. Period. Don’t shit on things you don’t 100% understand because you don’t like progression.
Such AWESOME INFORMATIVE videos. Always enjoy your videos. Keep up your hard work on keeping the old iron alive.
I recently purchased two different Holley's. The first was a Slayer 600 and the second was a 4150 Demon which used to be the Barry Grant deal. Engine runs @180°F with 1/2" heat insulator under carb. Both would boil the fuel out of the accelerator pump circuit leaving it dry when you needed it. Both would pour fuel from the secondary throttle shafts and leave puddles of fuel on the intake manifold. Both required heavy throttle for hot starting due to fuel percolating into the engine. Both went back to Summit and I put on an AVS2. Tony is right, the thing just works. I purchased an 800 AVS2 to see if it would run any better than the 650 and it really didn't. The 800 fooled you because it felt quicker because the primary barrels are a lot bigger but overall, 800 was not worth keeping so I sold it. I recently installed a basic but Blueprinted 600 cfm AFB Performer and it works even better than the 650 AVS2. Go figure! I am quite convinced the silly red annular boosters on the AVS2 are marketing hype.
if you are over 450 hp....it is choking power. if you are satisfied with how it is doing...then i would just say... let er ride
I just had someone yesterday tell me to get rid of my carb and go EFI.....I took great pleasure telling him I'm old school and will Keep my Q-jet thank you very much. 500 HP and 21.5 MPG @ 75 MPH with overdrive.
Nice report. I've been experiencing an issue that had me scratching my head. After a 5 minute run, then a shut down, 10 minutes, and restart, flooding. I found a video that showed gasoline boiling at 170, surrounded by water. Well found my issue. I use 750 Holleys on my big block Fords. My boat has no issues- 150 deg. My F100 gained 1 quart of oil in 4 months. When I turn the engine off it raises temp around 190.
Lower float level didn't seem to help, but a fiber spacer plate did.
Arizona summer kind of brought it back.
Seems like something is trying to move us to efi.
I'm trying a 2brl to see if 1 fuel bowl means less fuel. 3 750's all did the same thing...
Like you said, with a 350 cm holley, its like of like running my Edlebrock 600... but after 40 years I don't need to be running that hard.
Thanks for the info.
Amen ! I had a 650 Edelbrock on my 68 stang coupe,and tried it on a 78 Vette…put the 600 on my Stang,sold the Vette and accidentally left the 650 on the Vette. Big difference in performance in the Stang…..Now I’m 79 and to old to work on cars.I left the Stang to my son- in- law..302 c.I bored .40 over,289 HiPro heads,Energizer cam,electronic ignition,headers,sub frame connectors,3:58 Soft Detroit locker rear,double roller timing chain ,functional side pipes plus a bunch of other stuff .Then I got prostate cancer and that ended my hot roding.Don’t put off your dreams.Find a way to make them reality.Old age ain’t for sissies….😄
I always went with this, if I wanted all out performance I run a Holley, if I want reliability/street-ability Edelbrock. Glad Tony seems to agree:-)
@@MrSwinger1 Who said anyone "has to":-) I was please his thought pattern aligned with what I've always gone by is all.
Boy, it's clear, you are EXCITED about this! That's great! Just discovered you and learning a lot.
Just stopping by to let you know how much I enjoy you sharing your wisdom with us. Getting giddy over carburetors or the tuning of... well, anything for that matter is something I can get with. I really appreciate you taking the time to do these videos.
I wish Edelbrock would do this kind of revamp with a Quadrajet style carburetor so us GM guys can have this level of tuneability and still keep our cable-modulated overdrive transmissions and that spreadbore performance.
I suspect you know that Edelbrock did have a replacement Q jet, 1901-1906. no surprise, Carter still is in charge of making them.
I put a FiTech on my 86 C20 with a 350. Never ran right. The shop that did the work was gone. FITech had no support for me for silly reason, even though I got it thru Summit Racing. After a year of NEVER running right. I was trying to change the settings one more time. It ran away. Full throttle, by the time I got it shut off with the key. Spun a bearing. So now I have a GM Performance New 350/357 with the Holley Street carb. Runs incredible !!! I have had some many people want to buy that FiTech. I said it’s broken, I’m not selling junk parts. Although there is one guy who is a pain, that I’m thinking he might be worthy !!!! No moe EFI’s for me !!!
I have a 74 high boy ford with the factory 390. It had a factory 2 bbl holy, it wouldn’t start without playing with the carb for a hour so after seeing a article in hot rod mag, I bought a elderbrock 600 and a 4 bbl intake, slapped it together in 1996, adjusted the two front screws 1.5 turns out and idle screw and still to this day, barely bump the key ice cold (Washington) and she fires every time. I took it over Steven’s pass and Hangs the mountain 70+ half throttle last weekend. No probs bob
That’s exciting news!! Learned a lot very quickly thanks Tony! I thought I heard Edelbrock was going out a couple years ago. Must of changed hands..
I was gonna try and let you know about that same vid you watched on this carb!
I am for sure gonna buy one just to support their continued development and the fact they are embracing the carb people. There is at least 7 of us I swear!
I'm actually astounded that Holley would make this move. Not everybody is doing fuel injection or LS swaps. Sidenote - I hope people are saving up those old school engines from all those LS swaps because years down the road, everyone is going to want to go back to old school for nostalgia.
efi engines are ugly
No. LS/LT engines are a baseline 100hp above Gen1s
@@Bloodcurling so...? Go watch Billy’s s10 at the channel named “src” and tell me small blocks are dead. 1500hp twin turbo 406. WITH a carburetor. And he gaps fools. Any type of motor platform can be made to make any type of power.
@@johnvegar9098 No... It's all about the boost these days. You wont get 1500h.p. out of an old small block, and have it street driveable, no matter what heads and cam are on it without boost.
Blueprint engines is making new heads and blocks for Ford, Chevrolet and I think Mopar too.
I watched the Muscle Car Solutions video. Great channel!
The new Edelbrock 4150 you described sounded an awful lot like the Speed Demon 850 I bought 20 years ago. It had all the features you talked about except the mount for the TPS. It may have had that, but I didn't need it or look for the mounting bosses. Anyway it sounds good. I have a 1413 Edelbrock 800 that I am just now getting started with on this 401 FE Ford build. Promaxx heads, Howards hydraulic roller, 10:1 DSS forged pistons. Building anything other that a SBC, BBC or SBF, you have to wait FOREVER for parts. I'm over a year into this build thanks to having to do it again because of a failed Comp Cams flat tappet cam and lifters. I'm in that club now. Thanks Tony, great video as always.
This is awesome!
I’ve owned both Holley and Edelbrock. Both are iconic brands, but most of my old trucks are/were daily driven or weekend cruisers and I agree, Edelbrock is just the best for that kind of operation.
I’m a former diesel technician but have minimal experience with carbs but I can setup and rebuild an Edelbrock with ease.
My last carburetor I had on my Chevy K10 was an Edelbrock 1408 and according to Edelbrock it was from 1992 and it just went bad! 30 years! I replaced it with the 1406 for a mild 350.
I’ve daily driven Edelbrocks for years and through winters and never had to touch them, so easy to setup once you take the time to learn.
Very disappointing to hear about Holley going away from carburetors, I’ve owned around 20 vehicles and I’ve had more issues with throttle bodies and EFI than any carburetor I’ve owned.
Again, former diesel technician, big killer for those engines are injectors and injection pumps.
I’ll gladly stick with the old school and reliable carburetors!
Good stuff @uncleTonysgarage keep it up!
I've run the Edelbrock (Carter style) for years, in several vehicles. I always said they were great for daily drivers, I have both electric choke and manuel/ cable choke models, both work fine. I also added a spring loaded neeedle seat kit ($12?) for my off road truck to help with sloshing issues. If I had a need for one, I'd buy one of these new carbs for sure!
The best carburator I ever used was the Carter AVS that came OEM on my '69 Dodge Super bee. Most stable carb I ever used. Set it & forget it. Adjustable: Replaceable jetting & metering rods, air valve spring... Tweak em to get them right, and the job is done.
The Holleys we're supposed to be the ultimate, but that was only when they were working right - if you could keep them doing that.
Maybe my Carter wasn't the "Ultimate". But my "Bee" would still lift the front tires off the tar - still stock.
I have replaced many Holley's with Ann eldebrock, or a Carter afb.
I normally maintain, or gain, ow end power. With slight loss at the top end.
I do it for every reason he stated.
Loved this video. Some of us want to keep using carburetors for our cars and this give some hope.
I saw the MCS video, I find it amazing that a company put so much into designing a carburetor in 2022, And I had just about written Edelbrock off . Edelbrock AVS2 500 600 and 650 cfm all use the same size bodies only changing venturi's for different cfms
You should see my modified 1850. I was reshaping the main body, and filling it with a bunch of epoxy. This new carb, is what I was striving for. I can’t wait to get one!!
This is very good information. Thanks for explaining the new Edelbrock carbs.
from my first wcfb ( wilson carter four barrel) to my afb (aluminum four barrel) carter and then webber (edelbrock) the afb has been my choice for hundreds of custom engine builds, the easy jetting and progressive metering is the winning feature.
Absolutely agree....Im NO fan of Holley and never have been.
This month marks my 50th year in automotive repair.
I have a well used afb carter that still works
@@HansBelphegor Ive had very few issues with them either the AFB or AVS.
I just repaired an original (first year for the "modern" Holley 4 barrel) carb in a 1957 Thunderbird. Holleys early style needle and seat valves are prone to trouble/failure as well as the expected power valve issues.
Had to go back in it again as the needle and seat were STILL acting up.
Many Carter and Edelbrock carbs can be converted to dual feed simply by drilling and tapping the boss on the opposite fuel bowl
I had an AFB on my SBC years ago (it replaced a Holley). I loved that thing. The most reliable carb I have ever see at any temp. Never missed a beat.
Agree 100%!!!
It drives me crazy how companies quit making great products. It happens so much in areas other than automotive. Last I checked, I couldn't even buy galvanized window screen, everything is easy to rip nylon. Then there are companies who win top honors in a product test. What do they do? Instead of using the test to increase sales, they immediately drop or change the product!!
Check out 2020 screen, or "pet resistant" screens. Very hard to tear. Also, they are fiberglass, not nylon. Some screens even keep out no-see-ums. These are reasons why screening exists as a profession. Good luck! Edit to add, the galvanized screen is very difficult to roll into the frame with the vinyl spline. Nylon/fiberglass took over for a few reasons.
@@Face2theScr33n I meant to say fiberglass instead of nylon. Will have to check out the pet resistant. I have an old house and wish to continue with wooden screen frames. I don't need any rollers or splines, just some tacks. I remember people thinning some black oil paint and recoating the screens after the galvanizing wore off. Also they could be patched with a scrap of screen if something did make a small hole.
I have made a couple of frames with some fiberglass screen that blocks more sunlight than regular fiberglass screen. That does help on the south side.
To stay in business you have to sell enough of product x based on demand.
We were just talking about this with Lays Biscuit and Gravy Potato chips. They Won the taste test competition, were flying off the shelves, stores couldn't keep them....but they're now discontinued. What the hell ? I have seen so many products that sold great just vanish.
@@zmanphx That's just it, so many high demand top sellers just vanish.
Yeah I watched that same video really cool stuff Hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on one in the future Love the videos keep up the good work Tony
If they did it in the 90's or something and kinda "ripped the band-aid off" so to speak, it would've made sense. They're too deep into "keeping it alive" that now it's just confusing and upsetting
Never had Edelbrock, yet hear good things about them. Our '1985 Dodge B350 one ton van has the Rochester Quadrajet and works great. Cold start, one pump and three seconds of ignition and boom! Just wait 30 seconds for the oil and fluids to pump around and good to go. Warm/hot starts are immediately starts. Fuel lines close to engine have heat shields around to protect some from vapor lock. So no reason for EFI for us.
Only thing we don't like much is the mechanical fuel pump. Any suggestions? Loooking into the Facet Cube 4-7 psi electrical fuel pump, just don't see any good mounting spot near and low at the fuel tank.
This is Awsome. Best of both worlds and keeping it simple. Thanks Uncle Tony
I personally gave up on holley between the jet change,power valve matching and the different pump cams. I run Edelbrock carburetors. But I did like my 650cfm double pumper holley on my 302 with a lunati 351w camshaft it was a 11 second car. You're old school like I am. Enjoy your show. I had a friend who had a mercury with a junk variable venturi on his 302 it wouldn't climb a hill put a I believe it was a thermoquad or something of that nature I found in a junkyard off a retired police car and that could would scoot, so carburetors are interesting. Do love the quadrajet when the secondaries open that sound means power to me on my old 6.6 403 olds.
Great video and info UncleTony, I have 1 of those Carter/AFB Carbs, on my old 318 Poly with the front sit screw. Its 1 of the best long lasting carbs I have ever owned. They are tough as a hammer just like you put it.
The new Edelbrock 4150 looks AMAZING. 2 thumbs up to Edelbrock for keeping carbs alive and moving them forward into 2022!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Other companies have been making Holley carbs for years and will continue to do so. Edelbrock isn’t doing anything but admitting that their own product sucks, hence the need to build someone else’s.
I was a Holley guy until within the past couple of years due to the fact that I'm replacing power valves at least once a year due to ethanol. I never dealt with the Carter/Edelbrock until just recently and will not look back. I was impressed with the design and ease of tuneability.
Thanks for the info. I have always used edelbrock and easy no issues. I got a car that came with a holly. Runs and drives but cant get on it. I will replace that power valve before it gets an edelbrock.
Word of the day: "Dynonerd" someone who is into adjustments beyond needs. Thanks Tony!!!! Love it.
Edelbrock 4 life and I’m definitely gonna buy one for my 302 in my Mustang 2
Recently I refreshed my old Demon that I bought new !!! Put a new 360 in it and put an Edelbrock AVS2 650cfm on it. It runs great. About 350 hp so its more than enough for me, and it cruises great. With an 833 O/D tranny its better than it has been in 50 years. 👍
SIR TONY, Do you remember the " PREDATOR CARBS. " ? They were all the rage back in the 80's, my buddy had 1 on a VERY VERY TRICKED OUT CHEVY 400. They were hard to understand, they had cams & springs on them, people could not tune them correctly. My buddy did though & NOBODY COULD TOUCH HIM, EVEN BIG BLOCK CARS DRAG RACING. He had a 69 Camaro & after a run down the track you couldn't open the doors because of the body flex but he fixed that with uni-body connectors he made. Also cracked windshields were a problem in the beginning. THANKS, Henry from N.E. PA.
Awesome video and thank you ! I was wondering about the new carb from Edelbrock.
Great job. I'm an old guy and grew up with this stuff. I will occasionally take a carb apart to show a young gear-head how they work. Very few young people have ever dealt with a carb. I really enjoy your channel and CFM ratings have always been voodoo, at least in my experience.
I tried to show a young guy a carb and how it works he thought it was voodoo 🤣 Young wrenchers know very little
@@jeremyrawls5896 They know very little because their parents either knew very little or couldn't be bothered.
Same here. Old pa-pah showing grandsons about carbs. Still a lot of things that use them.
Do high schools even offer auto shop in their curriculum anymore?
@@antbonyziemiak208 Mine stopped in the early 80s
Ive had dozens of each carb and the Edelbrock/Carter based carbs are so much more reliable. But as you said, the Holley is for more in depth tuning, almost to a fault, higher power levels and people who like to tinker anytime their vehicle sits more than a couple months.
I have the Edelbrock on my 62 C10 Pick up Project right now in fact, since it will be a 350 hp driver. Perfect.
I would hope carburators arnt dead i just got into the world of tunning hollys i love how adjustable all these carbs are and how big of changes you can make with simple parts
I think they also put larger diameter throttle shafts and bronze bushings on the 4150. The separate throttle plate assembly is eliminated, preventing the possibility of the screws holding it in place from going into the motor. It's all one piece. Looks pretty good.
I love my carburetors. No wires. No computers. Works every time. I can fix it on the side of the road with a flat head and a 1\2in wrench.
I really hope Edelbrock cooks up a vacuum secondary version one day. Even on a daily driver, I’m a Holley guy through and through. I’d snap up a vacuum Eddy 4150 in an INSTANT!!
Aren’t the vacuum ones 4160??
@@dawnmclees Nope, a 4150 is just a carb that has a metering block on the secondaries, as opposed to a metering plate on a 4160. Both styles come in a very wide variety of flavors. The HolIey that I run on my car currently is a 600cfm vac. secondary 4150
If you look closely at the old crusty Holley “4150” Tony has in this vid, you’ll see it’s actually a 4160. It’s (most likely) a model 3310, and while many are 4150’s, most of them you’ll see are actually 4160’s
What cfm? I heard that Edelbrock had a vacuum secondary kind
@@calebkey2050 Thanks man good to know..
FST makes a good 4150.
Great info as always Tony. Love it.
I just love how excited you are about this!
I've ran both, I prefer Quadrajets, spread bore. All my Edlebrocks are sitting on the shelf. It's also little details like factory throttle linkage brackets, kickdown cable bracket, steel fuel line, etc..so much better than aftermarket trash.
The biggest problem I have encountered with the Four barrel TBI style injection units is the type of intake it’s bolted to.
The fuel injection unit tends to like a open plenum style intake. If using a dual plane intake the divider wall needs to be machined down.
The engine masters did a episode on this . Check it out!
Now I still use and tune carbs. I don’t know near as much about tuning them as efi. But I have mostly worked on efi .
thanks for making this point! it's quite important. one of the problems with aftermarket TBI is they try to be a single solution to many engine setups, and that's going to lead to issues.
Back when I had a Chevelle in highschool it had 2 square predator on a tunnel ram it looked cool but it was hard to keep it running right so I ended up putting a regular intake and I think it was a Carter carburetor and it ran great 😃👍
Im a bit young to get into Carburators but ive always wanted to learn about them. and i loved this video so this is a definite subscribe from me.
The old Edelbrocks really rip if you put in the HP needle and seat and the performance accelerator pump, put a 4 hole spacer under the carb to really boost the signal, then use a velocity stack type air cleaner or one of those triangle Edelbrock air cleaners.
I like the look of velocity stacks on some rides but... it's show. They can [in a few extreme cases] work against you at the top end: air bleeds find themselves referenced to something less than atmospheric pressure - depends on the carb and surface area of filters. Would I give up 500 rpm and 2hp on a street car? Yeah - wtf.
@@flinch622 I'm only talking about a regular Edelbrock carb, not anything with air bleeds. As far as a velocity stack, it doesn't have to be very high, like the triangle air cleaner, as long as the air comes in from the top and flows downhill into the carb. Saying that makes no difference is like saying head porting makes no difference. The speed of air coming into a carb is massive, directing it is essential, especially on a Edelbrock carb.
Triangle air cleaner ?😋🤣😆😅😂 car/carb fire with first backfire. Pieces drop in carb when filter ages
@@pmotorsports8276 Ok the "Pro Flo" air cleaner. If your car is backfiring through the carb you are not ready for a air cleaner yet, as far as pieces falling into the motor with age, hmm,do you leave your air cleaner on for decades until it desolves? Yeah those guys at Edelbrock don't know anything about what air cleaners work on the carbs they make.
It'll be interesting to see how the market works out. Holly has been so big into the electronic injection game for several years now, there's so many used Holly's available, and there's so many aftermarket Holly style carbs. So, it makes sense they wouldn't really see the future of carbs for themselves.
As far as I know Edelbrock didn't really get hard into the electronic injection game so it would make sense for them to try and fill that void when Holly steps out. Especially if they can actually innovate with some new ideas that could keep things going for a while.
Holley has done most of these these things on there new style aluminum carbs. We use quick fuel annular booster 4150s. One is a 850 and the other is a 1050. The metering blocks have multiple bleeds internal. The air bleeds are screw on top now. They come with jet extensions and a notched float factory. The new bowls are bigger than they used to be. The have sight windows instead of plugs. Dual feed bowls (left or right or both) Holley does have special designs for road race and circle track applications. They aren't just the old zinc stuff you are used to anymore.
Your videos are very helpful, I'mnew to carbs and just bought a truck with an Edelbrock that is hard to move the choke plate and it sticks in place etc. Does it need a full rebuild or could I just work it with some wd?
I had an edelbrock on a chevy 350 pickup truck, so reliable. It amazed how boring and simple it was. My daily driver slant 6 had a Holley 390. So much tinkering. I liked both but for different reasons. Mechanical carbs are just cheaper and simpler in the end. EFI everything doesn't always make sense, but when it comes to today's fuels it can really gum them up when you don't drive them daily. I've had to fix so many scooter and motorcycle carbs just because the fuel in the carbs messed them up. When it comes to Fuel injection it's great but it has it's place. doesn't mean it should go everywhere.
I have never seen tony this exited before. I love it 🥰
Thx UT for another good watch
I noticed a top end power drop going from a recalibrated Qjet to a 600 edlebrock but drivability,throttle response and low end Tq improved big time, part is the Qjet hated my cam n intake combo everywhere other than higher rpms and this is on a mild 355. My favorite Holley was the mechanical 650 DP spread bore Q jet replacement that thing was awesome and for a DP had decent mpg and killer throttle response, it was on a mild 350 basically headers and n old crane Energizer 262 or something. I was once doing a burnout shifting up n down but my 76 nova SS's floor shifter was notchy and planned on shifting into 2nd as i let off the brakes to spin away but by accident it went into 3rd and the rpms plummeted but it never stumbled all that happened was it bellowed black smoke out the side exhaust and torqued away still spinning, Ive never had a carb not stumble with such a dump of vacuum except that Holley, I'd buy another but there like over $600 new now every time I see a used one for a good price I'm always tapped. I was like 23 back then in 90s once That shifter caused me to go in reverse trying to hit 3rd power braking, what a horrifying sound and feel but it just started spinning in reverse I panicked and yanked it back down like a dummy and BAM! And just started spinning forward again, well embarrassed I just held it and spun away, people watching in confusion 😳, tough car.
It's depressing to hear that holley is thinking about killing their carbs. It makes me happy to know that people are still innovating
Eldelbrock is my favorite! took the old Carter AVS design and kept it going! and I absolutely love the annular boosters on the Edelbrock AVS!
What a pleasure it is to hear your no bulls**t explanations, thank you!!
He's Soo jazzed about this, lol it's fun to watch. Awesome content!
It’s about time that the 4150 got the upgrades to make it become everything it should be.
Look at all the issues of the old Holley; the warpage problems, the powervalve blowouts. The big cam idle probs, everything-All fixed!
The AFB comp carbs were way better then the early Edelbrock carbs, we did the switch on 2 drag cars that had comp series AFBs and both went about 3 tenths slower, and jetting didn't help, the newer ones seemed better.
Thanks Edelbrock for finally getting it. I used the old Edelbrock carb for street use and had to change to Holley at the strip. Now it’s all in one. Thank you
My 750 Mighty Demon - Pre Holley owned - has the idle air screw. Mine I have to take the air cleaner stud out and the screw is strait down.
But but but There was never a sweeter sound than the sound made when a pair of Rochester secondary's flipped open . Who is going to recreate that?
End of friendship! Hahahaha Discontinuing carburetors?! That sounds like part of the new world plan.
Agenda 2030
Good thing we have great carburetor companies out here that are much better than Holley & Edelbrock are in the first place.
Dude- I dont know jack about cars, but when I want to learn, I always stop on your channel first! You always produce great content!
Im a manager at one of the parts chains, and we get the sniper units back for defects, along with FItech not so often but still, ive been thinking of making a carburetor like the old predator style variable carbs, my first experience with one was on a mopar 318 that made roughly 330hp or so and was fun seeimg how it worked
Love a good carb. No need for any efi products for me
Holley phasing out carbs is like GM phasing out v8s
Jay Leno had the head of Edelbrock on one of his shows. Leno asked what Edelbrocks biggest seller is and the answer was carburators. Which I thought was interesting since manufacturers have not used carbs since the 80's.
Hopefully summit keeps producing their holley 4010 copy. I really like it for a mild daily driver. Annular boosters, top plate gasket for no leaks and all holley interchangeable parts. They have been my go to for years and have only had one fail when the shafts wallered the body out and started leaking no matter what I did. Excited to see 4150s continue to be modernized though
Edelbrock's AVS2 is pretty badass.
That's actually a vacuum sec carb though, could use it for street driving I guess
@@406MenaceRacecar I drive a 72 Duster with a big block around town. Never at a track so for my purposes it’s perfect.
@@Lowclef nice ride! Our good friend Rick has a 70 Dart 440, there's a video of it.
Tony is a true car enthusiast hands down . I enjoy his content from cold starts to crazy builds .
Used Holley, Carter, Q Jets in my time. A dialed in Q Jet was my favorite, but parts hard to find and assembly a pain. ( but not as bad as a Motorcraft 4bbl lol). But last one built I used a Quick Fuel Holley type carb. Full tune ability and was able to make an engine with 7 inches idle vacuum run very well on the street. Staying with Quick Fuel now.
Holley gave me the runaround about carburetor restoration and sending it in to their restoration shop. It all makes sense now.