I met Muhamed when he worked on his diploma thesis at Mercedes. He sat about 5 meters from my desk. We didn't have any common project to work on and I wasn't his tutor so to me he was only a nice enough young man and we never talked much except for saying hello and goodbye. After some time he was gone and I assumed he had finished his work. About a year later I needed to speak to his former tutor. He was just trying to online register for a metal convention and deciding whether to attend the cast iron or the aluminum alloy speeches. Jokingly I asked about speed or death metal. He looked at me and asked if I listened to such stuff. I told him yes. So the next day he borrowed me his copy of Epitaph and explained that the young student was in a band and had given him the CD as a gift when he left. I didn't expect much, as all those "brother of a friend" bands usually are pretty bad. Boy was I wrong lol. Muhammed had quit university to go on tour and several years later he picked up again, finished and indeed became an engineer at BMW. Had I only known who was sitting at arms reach for months...
I think Muhamed should release the album and make an official statement that the band is finished. It would put a lot of peace in the hearts of Necrophagists fans.
He doesn't care anymore. And the guys that he wants to play on this album don't want to play with him. Others that don't care he or the potential label can't afford.
I do not agree he is free to do what ever he/they want to do with his or their music, some projects lay on the shelves for way longer then this. plus a lot of material does not get released in general. At least that's how this fan sees it, there is a TAB book out there go learn that stuff its full of great stuff for guitar.
Unfortunately metal music doesn't pay off, he made the right decision because he needs to make money and Muhammed was that type of musician who would only compose solid music and won't waste time making boring commercial music. Hope he come back with a new album, I never get enough listening to Fermented Offal Discharge solo.
Yeah, Muhammed was probably creating music just because he loved doing it. But theres no moral for him to countinue. Theres not a fan base for Necrophagist like Chuck Schuldiner, Dimebag Darrell, and other metal legends. I feel really sorry for him. He is a genious, but he dont has enough love and support he deserves.
A friend of mine Armin Rave of the technical Death Metal Band Pavor from Bonn rehersed a few times with Necrophagist after Christian Münzner left the the Band. But they choose Sami instead, because he already knew the Songs. But you are right Muhammed was the Boss. Armin told me that he and Stefan once discovered a wrong Note in the tabs and told that to Muhammed. And he just said, there is no wrong note...story over. And he said that every time Muhammed grabed a guitar the first thing he played was the Solo from Ignominous and Pale. Armin said you could wake him up in the middle of the Night and through a guitar at him and he would play that Solo in Studio quality
@@dom3827 Ja ich kenne ihn, er arbeitet hier in Bonn immer dienstags im City Music...na ja momentan wegen Corona nicht und hat sein eigenes Studio wo er fleißig am aufnehmen ist. Ich beknie ihn auch schon seit ner Weile wegen Unterricht, da er wahrscheinlich der perfekt Lehrer wäre. Ich bin ein Riesen Fan seiner Band Pavor und hatte sogar die Ehre seine Jackson SL1 kaufen zu können, mit der er die Solos für Furioso aufgenommen hat. Armin ist aber ein sehr viel beschäftigter Mann und daher ist das mit Unterricht momentan auch wegen Corona etwas schwierig. Ich hoffe aber bald auch in den Genuss kommen zu können.
@@dom3827 Also das Studio hat er vor kurzem nach Hause verlegt. Ich kann ihn ja mal fragen, wenn du magst. Ich denke Dom bzw. Dominik wird dein Vorname sein, oder?
They released only two albums and that was enough to make them a legend in metal. Also both of their albums were well received so a follow up to Epitaph could have further improved their reputation or ruined it, depending on how good it could have been.
Muhammed always reminded me of a guy I hung out w in high school. The guy was no joke, one of the best guitarists/ multi instrumentalists I've ever seen, to this day. He was so ungodly talented. To the point, that things we would gape at, bored him. He's the type that would have the necrophagist album on his hard drive that everybody wants, and forget about it, because to him, it's not amazing much less important. And it wasn't even arrogance per say, it was just innate.
"The type that would have the necrophagist album on his hard drive that everybody wants, and forget about it, because to him, it's not amazing much less important. And it wasn't even arrogance per se*, it was just innate." i like this a lot
Seems to be the same type as Fredrik Thordendal. Such a genius musician, but refuses to release a follow up to his Solo album, because after "trying for 13 years, everything I come up with sucks". Also almost never giving interviews. A Thordendal/Suiçmez band would be amazing. Combined they would probably release 2 tracks in 30 years, then never do interviews about them, but the music would be stunning.
Back in 2012 I met Marco Minnemann in a Steven Wilson concert, we talked and I asked him about Necrophagist, since he toured with them. He said Muhammed had new material and was hoping to release it soon. Obviously that did not happen.
The drummer Romain Goulon replied to me in a comment when I asked him about Necrophagist. His exact words "The main dude had some other passion and the band didn't go anywhere" and as the other comment confirms that this other passion was BMW. It takes a lot of courage to have so much talent and but giving all that up for your true passion. I'm sure if
@@andykapsar4667 Tech death never went bad. If you want tech death that's similar to Necrophagist, I recommend First Fragment, Obscura's albums Cosmogenesis and Omnivium, and Archspire. And of course, Spawn Of Possession.
@@lashedandscorned fair response, i didnt explain well enough. they retired before they started making subpar music. theyre never gonna have a black album follow up to justice pardon my example
@Dizzy Gear that is possibly the most popular statement for any Metallica fan. It is almost universally accepted by the fanbase. It would be more far unpopular to say the oppose
Everyone seems to complain endlessly about "where's the new Necrophagist album? why haven't there been updates in so many years?" etc. etc. But the way I see it is different: I'm glad we have the 2 albums we have. They were ahead of their time in many aspects and have achieved legendary status partly because there was nothing else afterwards (as someone else below mentioned, in retrospect "they quit while they were on top"). There's no direct comparison to the material they put out and they directly inspired many amazing modern technical metal bands (think about it... being an inspiration to countless others is a very high rank for any band). Suicmez is smart as hell and I'm glad his non-musical work paid off... being an engineer at a luxury car company pays substantially better than any other musical venture, especially metal. The story is over, for now, and there's no point in speculation or whining about new albums. Onset of Putrefaction & Epitaph are in regular rotation in my library and I enjoy them to the fullest every time!
Yeah OK so he inspired so many bands. So what? None of them are as closely as good as necro. And i don't even want him to write new stuff at this point but he could at least release the ones he already recorded. There are people who absolutely worship him and to me, him just vanishing is nothing but selfish.
@@mdlosci666 I mean Obscura's albums Omnivum and Cosmogenesis are equal to Necrophagist, since both Christian Müenzer and Hannes Grossman played on those. First Fragment makes some pretty good stuff aswell.
@meaty wheelchair @Kelly Rankin while i consider necrophagist the best of the genre, i'am perfectly aware of the fact that there are other godlike bands and albums. But as you can see that wasn't the point of my comment so i didn't mean it to be a comparison of any kind. Sorry if it led to a misunderstanding.
2 years ago when I saw Vital Remains live, I talked to Tony and asked him if there was any new material in the works. He said that the new album had been finished for 4 years and that they planned on finally releasing it in 2020. Yet, we never heard anything. Unfortunately we may never see their finished album either ... just like Necrophagist.
Necrophagist was a huge band for me and really got me into the more “technical” styles of death metal. I was into the classic bands for awhile, but after I heard necrophagist, it really turned me on to more technical music. No one quite did it like these guys though. They have a totally unique sound and every live performance I’ve seen from them sounds exactly like the recordings. Absolutely insane
I was blown away the first time I heard him play. To that point in time, 1999-2000, I don’t think there was anyone who was playing such technical guitar so perfectly (at least in death metal).
bro this vid made me emotional thank you! people just dont understand how fucking insane those two records are and how important this band is but you get it
I dont know what bothers me more that necrophagist still hasn't released a new album, or that the ibanez xiphos was specifically designed for necrophagist as a copromotion for their rumored album to release in 2010 and the xiphos to be an iconic tech death guitar a few years later the xiphos design ends up discontinued
This is a sad story, apperaently. Necrophagist might be as in the legend status like Slayer, Death.. And Muhammed might have been known as a legend guitarist such as Chuck, Dimebag... But sadly, Necrophagist is too underrated. There was no moral for Muhammed to countinue, as well as for Ibanez. Both probably werent making enough money. Necrophagist is a legend of course, but for the ones who knows them, not for Metal Community and history.
Dude, I have a Xiphos just for Muhammed and Necrophagist. This band is literally one of the best bands in history. I think about it and I just get depression haha
I disagree with the premise that Muhammed has to tour if he releases the last Necrophagist album. I've only seen them once live but would be totally satisfied if all he did was studio work. With that said, I get why he became an engineer over a touring death metal artist. Touring in a death metal band is way more hard work and you make far less money
Oli herbert was playing an ibanez xiphos in like 2007 or earlier. It probably wasnt a huge seller to begin with and he was one of the only well known musicians associated with the shape. When he left ibanez and went to jackson im pretty sure that was the nail in the coffin, although they didn't discontinue it for another few years after that.
Epitaph was my first introduction to death metal of any kind. Had no idea it would all be "down hill" from there. His voice, his composition, his dexterity. Wtf... Smh.
Necrophagist is/was a totally unique sounding technical death metal band that stood on their own. In fact, it's almost as if they were a complete and separate genre all on their own. I think one of the reasons why they sounded so unique and different is because the solo sections tend to play over top of "riffing" progressions in the harmonic minor (neo classical style) rather than simple chord progressions like most other metal bands. Because of this, you have two simultaneous moving parts of music that somehow sync up like gears in a machine almost like the inside of a clock or watch, or at least that's what I picture in my mind. I've never heard any other band (imo) that sounds as tight and as fluent and precise as Necrophagist. In closing, I also think what adds to their legendary mystique, is that they went out while "on top." They didn't over stay their welcome and become a parody of themselves or the genre.
That opening Necrophagist solo is so amazing and I get so much out of both the lead AND rhythm guitars simultaneously during that particular solo!!! The power of Muhammed's compositional skills!
It's sad, this was my favorite metal band ever. Would be awesome to listen the latest recordings, but regardless of the band's outcome, I want him to be happy in BMW or wherever he is. This band will forever be in the hearts of many fans around the world. Thanks for this video man. 🇧🇷
There is an excellent studio cover of Dawn and Demise here on TH-cam by another German Tech Death Band, Peripheral Cortex. It comes pretty close to the original material.
I saw them live in Brighton and I was standing right in front of Muhammed. I was so close I could hear the actual sound of the strings on his guitar. He played everything perfectly. It was incredible.
Fermented Offal Discharge is particularly dear to my heart.... ❤ I work in a place where I have actually encountered that very substance. I think of that song every time and think "what were the chances"? Oh.. and am I the only only person who pronounces it Neck-roffuggist?
Sad but obviously true statement that Necrophagist is done. What I always wonder is what’s gonna happen to all the riffs and songs you know Muhammed still produces out of that brilliant and amazing brain of his, I mean, just cause he’s a working engineer doesn’t mean that part of his brain just quit, you know? Maybe someday we’ll get another band out of him.
I saw them live in 2009 at summer slaughter. I was right in front of Muhammad, absolutely perfect playing, 30 minute drum solo also. I will never forget, I was 19.
He should just release the album as it is. A google drive upload or posted on a bootleg Necrophagist channel or whatever. Fans just wanna hear it. They dont want tours, the band is done and gone but it is a huge waste having the completed album lying on his hard disk somewhere.
This was a really cool lil vid good work man. I think necrophagist so pull out the ol tool fear innoculum trick. Make us wait and then the release will be huge
I'd be happy to wait 20 years for another GENUINE Necrophagist album. Not a "flogged out for money" album. Would rather he didn't release shit rather than that. Necro is my ULTIMATE fav tech death band. Saw them in Melbourne Australia and was blown away. Hope the lad is doing well. He will always be remembered reguardless of his musical (or lack thereof) future. HUGE roll in my musical tastes!
There's also a pretty good chance that if the third album did come out, people would have no way to deal with the hype or buildup from the last 16 years. Hell, it might not even be on par with Epitaph. I'd consider a mystery best left unsolved
the album exists, the tension has been created - possibility is high that there is some date planned for the release..to respark the legend that Necrophagist were /are. regretfully, the only date I can imagine is 'death'.
I first heard Necrophagist when I was in college in 2004 and Epitaph came out, have been a pretty big fan of both albums ever since. Back then I had this crappy old Crown Vic police car with a giant Necrophagist decal on the back of it. It was right next to my Meshuggah decal and people would always ask me "Wtf do those bumper stickers even say?"
Into the moat is a relatively unknown band but one of the most underated of the mathcore genre and super ahead of their time. You should do a video on them.
By what I heard and read all these years, probably the main reason for a third album never came out was relapse records that fucked up the band with some contractual conditions, Suicmez also changed his professional direction so didn't bothered to release anyway, it's weird but will never know what happened for sure
I once wanted to join a band with a friend, the main difference I would agree with is how each of us had to be on the same music theory level... We disagreed in writing choices. I also know that Mohamed now works for BMW as a mechanical engineer. So, he in fact does keep it technical.
Can Muhammad at least make a youtube channel and give us an update or some lessons for us lol would love to hear his take and break down of the great songs he left behind D;
Funny what time can do to a person/bands image. I remember back in the day, it seemed a lot of people were hating on Necrophagist. Saying they weren't real death metal blah blah blah. Fast forward to almost a decade and no one in the comment section is saying such things. Necrophagist definitely is a standout band for me. Hope all the members moved on to better things.
I can't understand this "oh okay, he had to make money, and you don't earn money with metal" sayers. Metal is no thing you do for money, it's passion, it's a way you choose. As you decide making it just for the money it's no more metal but commerce bulls**t. If you quit making metal because you can earn sooo much money in a job that allows you no time to make music anymore, you give up passion, creativity and attitude for driving a big car, living in an expansive apartment and wearing Armani. F**k that. As a musician, the only good argument for a well payed job is that you could lower your weekly amount of working hours while it still pays your rent and bills but you have more time for music. What I read between the lines here is "I love money more than music", and it's a pity that greed kills musical genius.
the version with hannes on it is the 2004 remaster this is the original version: th-cam.com/play/PLQ62JbMgA9eWWHqU0o_gQcN_rGV3YMFi_.html
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@@Averyuniqueusername I think what he means is that the 2004 remaster is also programmed. As far as I know Hannes improved the programmed drums but didn't actually record drums.
@ oh I see what he means now lol, I was really tired at the time I wrote that comment. also I know the re release was reprogrammed I just thought he meant like which version of the album was programmed by hannes
Many say Epitaph sounds the way it does because it was recorded note by note. Pretty wild concept, to me anyway. Let's just hope BMW pays so well that Muhammed can retire early...and get back to running the tech metal scene lol
I really don't think it would be feasible nor needed to record some music note by note. A lot of musicians are capable of playing whole songs as clean as this with practice. Especially in studio.
Sure we all want more from Muhammad and Necro, but good on him to pursue his interests on his own time. That's what bosses do. Bosses also don't settle for less than their standard, and how shitty would it have been to see him perform with musicians that weren't quite to his standards, but were the only ones willing to stick around? Could have been very disappointing. Maybe he had this foresight and jumped the sinking ship, taking his mind and interests elsewhere, securing his financial future in the process. The more top tier people (in any field) devoting their time to you, means the more money they demand to be paid. The pursuit of perfection has to be a common goal, inspiring and fun. Once kinks get into those aspects, great projects with immense potential can easily fall by the wayside. Plus, he probably got way more pussy slinging that BMW engineer money than doing anything his musical mind wanted. It just adds to his accomplishments, Metal Guitar GOD, PhD in Mechanical Engineering, BMW Engineer, probably rolls over after laying pipe and still plays Necrophagist solos at album quality unplugged. Not many folks can do all that LOL. BAWSS
what happened is that they lost momentum and in the first few years after they released the last album a ton of other technical bands emerged and made way more technical and fast music .
I dig the history lesson bro i learned a ton but let's get you a better mic and mixing software because I had to turn my headphones all the way up to hear you. Thanks again for the info brother
I think we'll always wonder what the new album might've sounded like. But there's always other great metal waiting to be discovered out there. Hespeck to one of the illest metal bands ever
it's definitely his masterstroke to leave people expecting follow up to Epitaph (and even if it does stand up to that...) while having a much better paying, and steadier career (coz playing metal isn't gonna cut it especially with all the 360 deal BS going around)...
Interesting information and you have a very pleasant speaking voice. But mostly wow wtf, I cannot believe there's another LP just EXISTING out there in the world. Fuck.
I saw them touring with Misery Index. Misery were having some technical difficulties with their set and one of the guys said something or other was "...Made in Germany." It sounded like dig, NOT friendly banter - so I'm assuming they were not getting on particularly well with Necrophagist.
Saw this tour in London in 2007 (MISERY INDEX + NECROPHAGIST + ORIGIN + DISKREET) and NECRO sounded the best and tightest out of them all. Note for note precise, I was really blown away. ORIGIN and MISERY had a really bad sound, the mix was horrible and unlistenable. But it doesn’t take away from their technical abilities in any way, great musicians all across the board 🤘
@@danaktayev236 Nottingham for me. Misery Index had shit sound and as much as I like 'em it was a poor set choice for me too - what I could make out through the awful mix. Diskreet were pretty good and Origin had everything 100% nailed. Necro.. I find just a bit too clinical
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I met Muhamed when he worked on his diploma thesis at Mercedes. He sat about 5 meters from my desk. We didn't have any common project to work on and I wasn't his tutor so to me he was only a nice enough young man and we never talked much except for saying hello and goodbye. After some time he was gone and I assumed he had finished his work. About a year later I needed to speak to his former tutor. He was just trying to online register for a metal convention and deciding whether to attend the cast iron or the aluminum alloy speeches. Jokingly I asked about speed or death metal. He looked at me and asked if I listened to such stuff. I told him yes. So the next day he borrowed me his copy of Epitaph and explained that the young student was in a band and had given him the CD as a gift when he left. I didn't expect much, as all those "brother of a friend" bands usually are pretty bad. Boy was I wrong lol.
Muhammed had quit university to go on tour and several years later he picked up again, finished and indeed became an engineer at BMW.
Had I only known who was sitting at arms reach for months...
just woouaaaouu !!!! amazing !!!
Wow what a story. Thank you for sharing!
woah now😦🤘🏻
This is hands down my new favorite comment. Thanks for sharing your story with us
@@Lumenjensen777 Your very welcome.
I think Muhamed should release the album and make an official statement that the band is finished. It would put a lot of peace in the hearts of Necrophagists fans.
Agree so much ....
He doesn't care anymore. And the guys that he wants to play on this album don't want to play with him. Others that don't care he or the potential label can't afford.
2024 20 years later maybe?
I do not agree he is free to do what ever he/they want to do with his or their music, some projects lay on the shelves for way longer then this. plus a lot of material does not get released in general. At least that's how this fan sees it, there is a TAB book out there go learn that stuff its full of great stuff for guitar.
Sad but true!
The ultimate Metallica cliche i. Ould come up with now!
Unfortunately metal music doesn't pay off, he made the right decision because he needs to make money and Muhammed was that type of musician who would only compose solid music and won't waste time making boring commercial music. Hope he come back with a new album, I never get enough listening to Fermented Offal Discharge solo.
It's classical piece
Yeah, Muhammed was probably creating music just because he loved doing it. But theres no moral for him to countinue. Theres not a fan base for Necrophagist like Chuck Schuldiner, Dimebag Darrell, and other metal legends. I feel really sorry for him. He is a genious, but he dont has enough love and support he deserves.
@@beet6le380 ..half of metal fan waiting new album from Muhammad..
plenty of people would pay for studio songs without touring or touring once every 5 years, we need more songs by him.
He could definitely make plenty of money doing metal maybe not millions of dollars a year but shit
A friend of mine Armin Rave of the technical Death Metal Band Pavor from Bonn rehersed a few times with Necrophagist after Christian Münzner left the the Band. But they choose Sami instead, because he already knew the Songs.
But you are right Muhammed was the Boss. Armin told me that he and Stefan once discovered a wrong Note in the tabs and told that to Muhammed. And he just said, there is no wrong note...story over.
And he said that every time Muhammed grabed a guitar the first thing he played was the Solo from Ignominous and Pale. Armin said you could wake him up in the middle of the Night and through a guitar at him and he would play that Solo in Studio quality
That's muscle memory for you.
That happens to be a particularly badass song and a personal favorite
Ignominious and Pale floors me to this day by just _how_ well it's written. Beautifully composed.
@@dom3827 Ja ich kenne ihn, er arbeitet hier in Bonn immer dienstags im City Music...na ja momentan wegen Corona nicht und hat sein eigenes Studio wo er fleißig am aufnehmen ist. Ich beknie ihn auch schon seit ner Weile wegen Unterricht, da er wahrscheinlich der perfekt Lehrer wäre. Ich bin ein Riesen Fan seiner Band Pavor und hatte sogar die Ehre seine Jackson SL1 kaufen zu können, mit der er die Solos für Furioso aufgenommen hat. Armin ist aber ein sehr viel beschäftigter Mann und daher ist das mit Unterricht momentan auch wegen Corona etwas schwierig. Ich hoffe aber bald auch in den Genuss kommen zu können.
@@dom3827 Also das Studio hat er vor kurzem nach Hause verlegt. Ich kann ihn ja mal fragen, wenn du magst. Ich denke Dom bzw. Dominik wird dein Vorname sein, oder?
I've seen Necrophagist live 6 times. So amazing. Even on the last tour when they bumped up to 7 strings and played "Dawn and Demise" live.
I saw them play that in Vegas. What an amazing show.
The new Necrophagist album is probably in Area 51 somewhere.
Stop dude. Lols. Some of us might actually storm the place just for that album.
Lmao
They released only two albums and that was enough to make them a legend in metal. Also both of their albums were well received so a follow up to Epitaph could have further improved their reputation or ruined it, depending on how good it could have been.
they literally wrote their ultimate epitaph
I would pay so much money for lessons from Muhammad. This band changed my life. Got me into death metal with Stabwound
Unfortunately it's over. It is very difficult to accept this.
Muhammed always reminded me of a guy I hung out w in high school. The guy was no joke, one of the best guitarists/ multi instrumentalists I've ever seen, to this day. He was so ungodly talented. To the point, that things we would gape at, bored him. He's the type that would have the necrophagist album on his hard drive that everybody wants, and forget about it, because to him, it's not amazing much less important. And it wasn't even arrogance per say, it was just innate.
maybe that guy is suiçmez :o
"The type that would have the necrophagist album on his hard drive that everybody wants, and forget about it, because to him, it's not amazing much less important. And it wasn't even arrogance per se*, it was just innate." i like this a lot
Seems to be the same type as Fredrik Thordendal. Such a genius musician, but refuses to release a follow up to his Solo album, because after "trying for 13 years, everything I come up with sucks". Also almost never giving interviews.
A Thordendal/Suiçmez band would be amazing. Combined they would probably release 2 tracks in 30 years, then never do interviews about them, but the music would be stunning.
Extreme Unction was another good track from the first album
Just heard fermented offal discharge after years and still blown away how amazing these guys were, instantly recognisable style and sound. Good video.
Back in 2012 I met Marco Minnemann in a Steven Wilson concert, we talked and I asked him about Necrophagist, since he toured with them. He said Muhammed had new material and was hoping to release it soon. Obviously that did not happen.
The drummer Romain Goulon replied to me in a comment when I asked him about Necrophagist. His exact words "The main dude had some other passion and the band didn't go anywhere" and as the other comment confirms that this other passion was BMW.
It takes a lot of courage to have so much talent and but giving all that up for your true passion. I'm sure if
Fuck yes to the algorithm. One of my all time biggest influences in my playing and my vocal style.
They’re even more legendary, because they quit so early
exactly. they got out before the music got bad
@@andykapsar4667 Tech death never went bad.
If you want tech death that's similar to Necrophagist, I recommend First Fragment, Obscura's albums Cosmogenesis and Omnivium, and Archspire.
And of course, Spawn Of Possession.
@@lashedandscorned fair response, i didnt explain well enough. they retired before they started making subpar music. theyre never gonna have a black album follow up to justice pardon my example
@@andykapsar4667 I see your point now.
@Dizzy Gear that is possibly the most popular statement for any Metallica fan. It is almost universally accepted by the fanbase. It would be more far unpopular to say the oppose
Everyone seems to complain endlessly about "where's the new Necrophagist album? why haven't there been updates in so many years?" etc. etc.
But the way I see it is different: I'm glad we have the 2 albums we have. They were ahead of their time in many aspects and have achieved legendary status partly because there was nothing else afterwards (as someone else below mentioned, in retrospect "they quit while they were on top"). There's no direct comparison to the material they put out and they directly inspired many amazing modern technical metal bands (think about it... being an inspiration to countless others is a very high rank for any band). Suicmez is smart as hell and I'm glad his non-musical work paid off... being an engineer at a luxury car company pays substantially better than any other musical venture, especially metal. The story is over, for now, and there's no point in speculation or whining about new albums. Onset of Putrefaction & Epitaph are in regular rotation in my library and I enjoy them to the fullest every time!
Yeah OK so he inspired so many bands. So what? None of them are as closely as good as necro. And i don't even want him to write new stuff at this point but he could at least release the ones he already recorded. There are people who absolutely worship him and to me, him just vanishing is nothing but selfish.
I like this point of view, really!
@@mdlosci666 I mean Obscura's albums Omnivum and Cosmogenesis are equal to Necrophagist, since both Christian Müenzer and Hannes Grossman played on those.
First Fragment makes some pretty good stuff aswell.
@@mdlosci666 There are some, but very few.
@meaty wheelchair @Kelly Rankin while i consider necrophagist the best of the genre, i'am perfectly aware of the fact that there are other godlike bands and albums. But as you can see that wasn't the point of my comment so i didn't mean it to be a comparison of any kind. Sorry if it led to a misunderstanding.
2 years ago when I saw Vital Remains live, I talked to Tony and asked him if there was any new material in the works. He said that the new album had been finished for 4 years and that they planned on finally releasing it in 2020. Yet, we never heard anything. Unfortunately we may never see their finished album either ... just like Necrophagist.
Lol wtf, it's not that hard to find a vocalist, any decent musician can do death metal vocals
Necrophagist was a huge band for me and really got me into the more “technical” styles of death metal. I was into the classic bands for awhile, but after I heard necrophagist, it really turned me on to more technical music. No one quite did it like these guys though. They have a totally unique sound and every live performance I’ve seen from them sounds exactly like the recordings. Absolutely insane
Legends!
Definitely! Love your band by the way, thank you for stopping by!
@@singulation No problem. Cheers, bud!
I was lucky enough to see them in 2009 on the summer slaughter tour I’m so grateful
Same
Hi Len🙂
I was blown away the first time I heard him play. To that point in time, 1999-2000, I don’t think there was anyone who was playing such technical guitar so perfectly (at least in death metal).
bro this vid made me emotional thank you! people just dont understand how fucking insane those two records are and how important this band is but you get it
I dont know what bothers me more that necrophagist still hasn't released a new album, or that the ibanez xiphos was specifically designed for necrophagist as a copromotion for their rumored album to release in 2010 and the xiphos to be an iconic tech death guitar a few years later the xiphos design ends up discontinued
This is a sad story, apperaently. Necrophagist might be as in the legend status like Slayer, Death.. And Muhammed might have been known as a legend guitarist such as Chuck, Dimebag... But sadly, Necrophagist is too underrated. There was no moral for Muhammed to countinue, as well as for Ibanez. Both probably werent making enough money. Necrophagist is a legend of course, but for the ones who knows them, not for Metal Community and history.
Dude, I have a Xiphos just for Muhammed and Necrophagist. This band is literally one of the best bands in history. I think about it and I just get depression haha
I disagree with the premise that Muhammed has to tour if he releases the last Necrophagist album. I've only seen them once live but would be totally satisfied if all he did was studio work. With that said, I get why he became an engineer over a touring death metal artist. Touring in a death metal band is way more hard work and you make far less money
Oli herbert was playing an ibanez xiphos in like 2007 or earlier. It probably wasnt a huge seller to begin with and he was one of the only well known musicians associated with the shape. When he left ibanez and went to jackson im pretty sure that was the nail in the coffin, although they didn't discontinue it for another few years after that.
... It's back again 💘
Commenting for the almighty algorithm... Good video, history, and review of one of the greatest tech death metal creators of all time.
Epitaph was my first introduction to death metal of any kind. Had no idea it would all be "down hill" from there. His voice, his composition, his dexterity. Wtf...
Smh.
A lot of bands probably sounded like cave man music after jumping straight into Necro haha
Necrophagist is/was a totally unique sounding technical death metal band that stood on their own. In fact, it's almost as if they were a complete and separate genre all on their own. I think one of the reasons why they sounded so unique and different is because the solo sections tend to play over top of "riffing" progressions in the harmonic minor (neo classical style) rather than simple chord progressions like most other metal bands. Because of this, you have two simultaneous moving parts of music that somehow sync up like gears in a machine almost like the inside of a clock or watch, or at least that's what I picture in my mind. I've never heard any other band (imo) that sounds as tight and as fluent and precise as Necrophagist. In closing, I also think what adds to their legendary mystique, is that they went out while "on top." They didn't over stay their welcome and become a parody of themselves or the genre.
what you are talking about is 'counterpoint' in terms of the riffing progressions working with the solos
@@OCNmeticadpa Right, they were absolute masters at it.👌🏾
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That opening Necrophagist solo is so amazing and I get so much out of both the lead AND rhythm guitars simultaneously during that particular solo!!! The power of Muhammed's compositional skills!
It's sad, this was my favorite metal band ever. Would be awesome to listen the latest recordings, but regardless of the band's outcome, I want him to be happy in BMW or wherever he is. This band will forever be in the hearts of many fans around the world. Thanks for this video man. 🇧🇷
There is an excellent studio cover of Dawn and Demise here on TH-cam by another German Tech Death Band, Peripheral Cortex. It comes pretty close to the original material.
To foresee the end
Of a soul...Epitaph!!
I saw them live in Brighton and I was standing right in front of Muhammed. I was so close I could hear the actual sound of the strings on his guitar. He played everything perfectly. It was incredible.
Fermented Offal Discharge is particularly dear to my heart.... ❤
I work in a place where I have actually encountered that very substance. I think of that song every time and think "what were the chances"?
Oh.. and am I the only only person who pronounces it Neck-roffuggist?
Sad but obviously true statement that Necrophagist is done. What I always wonder is what’s gonna happen to all the riffs and songs you know Muhammed still produces out of that brilliant and amazing brain of his, I mean, just cause he’s a working engineer doesn’t mean that part of his brain just quit, you know? Maybe someday we’ll get another band out of him.
I saw them live in 2009 at summer slaughter. I was right in front of Muhammad, absolutely perfect playing, 30 minute drum solo also. I will never forget, I was 19.
I love Extreme Unction and To Breathe in Casket
For me its easier to name the songs I don't like.
Only Ash Remains.
I'm finished.
He should just release the album as it is. A google drive upload or posted on a bootleg Necrophagist channel or whatever. Fans just wanna hear it. They dont want tours, the band is done and gone but it is a huge waste having the completed album lying on his hard disk somewhere.
This was a really cool lil vid good work man. I think necrophagist so pull out the ol tool fear innoculum trick. Make us wait and then the release will be huge
I'd be happy to wait 20 years for another GENUINE Necrophagist album.
Not a "flogged out for money" album. Would rather he didn't release shit rather than that.
Necro is my ULTIMATE fav tech death band. Saw them in Melbourne Australia and was blown away.
Hope the lad is doing well. He will always be remembered reguardless of his musical (or lack thereof) future.
HUGE roll in my musical tastes!
I think we could of at least gotten a studio version of dawn and demise. Anything. I'm so sad hahaha
There's also a pretty good chance that if the third album did come out, people would have no way to deal with the hype or buildup from the last 16 years. Hell, it might not even be on par with Epitaph. I'd consider a mystery best left unsolved
the album exists, the tension has been created - possibility is high that there is some date planned for the release..to respark the legend that Necrophagist were /are.
regretfully, the only date I can imagine is 'death'.
I first heard Necrophagist when I was in college in 2004 and Epitaph came out, have been a pretty big fan of both albums ever since. Back then I had this crappy old Crown Vic police car with a giant Necrophagist decal on the back of it. It was right next to my Meshuggah decal and people would always ask me "Wtf do those bumper stickers even say?"
Dawn and Demise didn't really come out. They just played it live many times and it became sort of a classic
We should be pleasent that we are able to see a legend like this. Chuck, Dimebag, all genious, they are all gone dude...
Wonder what will come out first half life 3 or necrophagist new album
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Into the moat is a relatively unknown band but one of the most underated of the mathcore genre and super ahead of their time. You should do a video on them.
He could release that album and it still be ahead of its time
Probably not.
@@kristijanfistrek9055 you're free to your opinion but so am I 😜
Great video thank u for making this. I always wondered what happened to my face band from the 2010's...
How do we get this video to 1M views just for the comment section alone? Great recap my guy.
All I have to say about Necrophagist is, Jesus Christ tech death is a thing of beauty.
By what I heard and read all these years, probably the main reason for a third album never came out was relapse records that fucked up the band with some contractual conditions, Suicmez also changed his professional direction so didn't bothered to release anyway, it's weird but will never know what happened for sure
Great Stuff, Spiral Architect would be a good one👍
I once wanted to join a band with a friend, the main difference I would agree with is how each of us had to be on the same music theory level... We disagreed in writing choices. I also know that Mohamed now works for BMW as a mechanical engineer. So, he in fact does keep it technical.
Just transformed to Obscura. Even Steffen Kummerer is not an easy guy to work with.
FINALLY!!! New Album "The Path To Naught" Drops August 6th 2021! New single "Death To The Faithful" April 16th!
Sadly, that was an April’s Fool..
@@YANAPA Are you serious? WTF!
@@darkallyrecordings4931 lmao
Ive been listening to Necrophagist since back in 2003 when I bought their first album off of Don Decker from Anal Blast
Can Muhammad at least make a youtube channel and give us an update or some lessons for us lol would love to hear his take and break down of the great songs he left behind D;
I would pay so much money for lessons from him.
Would love to hear that album. Hopefully it will be released some day.
Fermented offal discharge had the greatest guitar solo of any track ever and I will die on that hill
The pressure got to him. I am a session Death Metal Guitarist so I know how it feels.
Thanks for doing this video!!!! Those 2 albums are just phenomenal!!!!
How about "Spawn of Possession"0?
Still remember seeing these guys with Decapitated, Cattle Decapication, Arsis, and Faceless.. What a fucking time that was
Thanks for making this
Good video. Would also love to know what happened to Anata?
Funny what time can do to a person/bands image. I remember back in the day, it seemed a lot of people were hating on Necrophagist. Saying they weren't real death metal blah blah blah. Fast forward to almost a decade and no one in the comment section is saying such things. Necrophagist definitely is a standout band for me. Hope all the members moved on to better things.
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Same thing here. 10 years ago I remember death metal elitists bashing Necrophagist, calling it wigger metal... funny how time changes everything.
it is impossible that such an artist just quit playing, he will show up
Anyone listen to the new Obscurs track? Definitely made me think of Necrophagist in places now that Christian is back in the band.
do you know a band "the boy will drown"? amazing deathcore band. curious to what happened to them
Is that the Jeff Loomis signature model? I’ve always wanted one of those just to play nevermore on it
Yessir, it is an amazing guitar, owned it since 2016! Nevermore sounds amazing on it.
I can't understand this "oh okay, he had to make money, and you don't earn money with metal" sayers. Metal is no thing you do for money, it's passion, it's a way you choose. As you decide making it just for the money it's no more metal but commerce bulls**t. If you quit making metal because you can earn sooo much money in a job that allows you no time to make music anymore, you give up passion, creativity and attitude for driving a big car, living in an expansive apartment and wearing Armani. F**k that. As a musician, the only good argument for a well payed job is that you could lower your weekly amount of working hours while it still pays your rent and bills but you have more time for music.
What I read between the lines here is "I love money more than music", and it's a pity that greed kills musical genius.
Wtf is this
Muhamed's way of navigating the music is indicative of his genius.
Thanks for the great video. I'm still hoping for their return
All the versions you listen to it’s still the drum machine, you said it was re recorded with Hannes? Can’t find it
the version with hannes on it is the 2004 remaster
this is the original version: th-cam.com/play/PLQ62JbMgA9eWWHqU0o_gQcN_rGV3YMFi_.html
@@Averyuniqueusername I think what he means is that the 2004 remaster is also programmed. As far as I know Hannes improved the programmed drums but didn't actually record drums.
@ oh I see what he means now lol, I was really tired at the time I wrote that comment. also I know the re release was reprogrammed I just thought he meant like which version of the album was programmed by hannes
They only needed two albums to accomplish what bands are still attempting today. That’s what happened.
Do they still make the xiphos? Now that i'm older and have more money i'm thinking of buying one
They could make millions crowdfunding a 3rd album.
i dont know millions, but 2 or 3 more albums for sure.
Many say Epitaph sounds the way it does because it was recorded note by note. Pretty wild concept, to me anyway.
Let's just hope BMW pays so well that Muhammed can retire early...and get back to running the tech metal scene lol
Pretty sure that’s a meme.. and obviously not true
@@eggwaffle I've read some discussions that are pretty convincing it was true. The album does sound very unusually "clean".
I really don't think it would be feasible nor needed to record some music note by note. A lot of musicians are capable of playing whole songs as clean as this with practice. Especially in studio.
@@ccchicken8889 You’d have to know nothing about music and be somewhat stupid to take that claim at face value and not as a joke.
@@eggwaffle www.sevenstring.org/threads/necrophagist-recorded-epitaph-note-for-note.338617/
Just a bunch of ignorant idiots I guess. Sigh.
a vid like this on spawn of possession would be cool
i honestly still have hope we will have a 3rd one !
Could you do the history and demise of Quo Vadis?
So glad and grateful I saw them in NYC 2009 summer slaughter tour
The Half Life 3 of Metal
This band is unreal !!! From another planet! solos are unbelievable
Sure we all want more from Muhammad and Necro, but good on him to pursue his interests on his own time. That's what bosses do. Bosses also don't settle for less than their standard, and how shitty would it have been to see him perform with musicians that weren't quite to his standards, but were the only ones willing to stick around? Could have been very disappointing. Maybe he had this foresight and jumped the sinking ship, taking his mind and interests elsewhere, securing his financial future in the process. The more top tier people (in any field) devoting their time to you, means the more money they demand to be paid. The pursuit of perfection has to be a common goal, inspiring and fun. Once kinks get into those aspects, great projects with immense potential can easily fall by the wayside. Plus, he probably got way more pussy slinging that BMW engineer money than doing anything his musical mind wanted. It just adds to his accomplishments, Metal Guitar GOD, PhD in Mechanical Engineering, BMW Engineer, probably rolls over after laying pipe and still plays Necrophagist solos at album quality unplugged. Not many folks can do all that LOL. BAWSS
what happened is that they lost momentum and in the first few years after they released the last album a ton of other technical bands emerged and made way more technical and fast music .
You should do one on " the shattering" ive found nothing on them tho sadly😞
What song are you playing in the intro?
I dig the history lesson bro i learned a ton but let's get you a better mic and mixing software because I had to turn my headphones all the way up to hear you. Thanks again for the info brother
I think we'll always wonder what the new album might've sounded like. But there's always other great metal waiting to be discovered out there. Hespeck to one of the illest metal bands ever
it's definitely his masterstroke to leave people expecting follow up to Epitaph (and even if it does stand up to that...) while having a much better paying, and steadier career (coz playing metal isn't gonna cut it especially with all the 360 deal BS going around)...
ya its painful that they won't release the album! FUCCCCCKCK
I totaly agree with everything you say i har a total crush in this band for so so so Many years now!
You would think their second album came out this year
Interesting information and you have a very pleasant speaking voice. But mostly wow wtf, I cannot believe there's another LP just EXISTING out there in the world. Fuck.
Great summary... So sad...
I saw them touring with Misery Index.
Misery were having some technical difficulties with their set and one of the guys said something or other was "...Made in Germany."
It sounded like dig, NOT friendly banter - so I'm assuming they were not getting on particularly well with Necrophagist.
Misery loves company....hahahhahaa
Saw this tour in London in 2007 (MISERY INDEX + NECROPHAGIST + ORIGIN + DISKREET) and NECRO sounded the best and tightest out of them all. Note for note precise, I was really blown away. ORIGIN and MISERY had a really bad sound, the mix was horrible and unlistenable. But it doesn’t take away from their technical abilities in any way, great musicians all across the board 🤘
@@danaktayev236
Nottingham for me.
Misery Index had shit sound and as much as I like 'em it was a poor set choice for me too - what I could make out through the awful mix.
Diskreet were pretty good and Origin had everything 100% nailed.
Necro.. I find just a bit too clinical
I would literally cut off a hand to hear the new album. x D