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- Condensed overview of the complete build process of a home built on a tight budget, 4130 cromoly, tig welded bicycle frame.
The playlist for the 12 part frame build series and 3 part welding table series can be found here: • Welding Projects
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Awesome work Joey! I love the welding table, rad.
+Pithy Bikes Thanks man! It means a lot coming from a dude with your skills!!
Wow... Its been 8 years!!!
Great work.
when I grow up I wish to become a welder, and open my own frame factory
Wow that thing looks amazing!!! You can make money off of these builds!! I'd buy one 😁👍
Thanks! I may build some for sale someday.
Nice bike , i like bike frame with a straight middle tube and with tall stance slopping tubes , almost looking alike with the cannodale supersix evo . Nice project and craftsmanship.
Thanks! My race bike is a supersix evo, and I basically built this bike to mimic the fit of that bike but with more tire clearance.
@@JoeyMesa I love your bike...however, you have me confused. I didn't notice a frame jig in your construction. Can bikes be made without jigs?
@@shockadellick Thanks! A good jig is probably the easiest way to build a bicycle frame, but yes, you can build a frame without one. When I was researching different type jigs and such, I came across a video from welding tips and tricks: th-cam.com/video/yT108iL-vMw/w-d-xo.html
I thought it looked like it made sense and would be a good way to fabricate other things as well, so I built my own table and have built a couple frames on it so far.
Nice work man, looks a little like a Canyon Roadlite 6
Cool, thanks
Really good work! Congrats , must be careful with the over heat welding, however its amazing work.!!!!
Thanks! Yeah, there's definitely a very fine line tig welding thin wall chromoly! I'm in the process right now of starting my 2nd frame build.
As someone who's welded a lot of thin stainless tube I'd recommend you get the biggest gas lens you can, and back purge the frame to stop oxidisation on the inside. Stainless should be silver or straw colour when you weld it.
Very cute emporium of cycle master technology and expensive quality....
Nice work! I wish i had the skills to build my own bicycle. It must feal awesome to be able to build your own.
Thanks! It can definitely be a frustrating challenge, but it makes it that much more satisfying once it's completed and rideable. Anybody could develop the skills to build a bike frame, just takes lots of practice, making mistakes and patience.
Thanks for commenting, I appreciate it!!
Wow, well done, a really professional looking bike
Thank you very much! I appreciate you taking the time to leave such a kind comment!
🤘🏻That’s pretty RAD! I’ve got this friend named Jason Chance that told me about your videos. We usually hang out on the weekends to discuss bmx strategies and watch Gary Ellis videos. I love the setup! That bike stand with the Redline decal sure looks familiar… WAR?
Very nice custom frame build
Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to leave feedback!
Just finushed my frame. I put my disc tab in the same location as you did. It seems like yours has held up well. I did not put in a brace either. Ive retrofited a couple frame with rear disc without bracing and theyve held up.
Yeah the idea is that the caliper acts as the brace because it's joined to the seat and chain stays. It's a little harder to adjust the caliper, but I think it looks a lot cleaner. I've used and abused mine for over 10,000 miles and it's still going strong!
that look so good
Thank you!!!
NICE WORK !!
That’s awesome! I want to build one.
You should! Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback!
Nice work
@@karlschmidt2811 Thanks! I still ride the bike currently, usually in the winter. It’s got over 20,000 miles on it!
@@JoeyMesa where did you get the tubing ?
wow nice work
thanks!!
The best!
Nice setup
Thanks!
Felicitaciones su trabajo es maravilloso .es posible que haga un vídeo de elaboración marco para rin 29 de los modernos.gracias
Looks like an 80s or 70s bmx bike frame. Nice!
Thanks! Those old 70's-80's BMX bikes are where my cycling roots are, so that's where the general inspiration comes from.
Cool build man maybe one day I could learn how to do this
It's a fun process. Taking some classes at a local VoTech is a good place to start, plus there's lots of good info videos on bicycle frame building for ideas and inspiration.
Anyway, thanks for commenting!
Nice build man
Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to comment!
Wow!! That's one of my dreams.. To build bike frame for myself... But I don't have any idea how to . 😭😭😭.. Where do you think I can start for this dream of mine? Schooling?? 🥴🥴
Beautiful built anyway.. God bless you.. More frames to come... Where can I order your build frames.. 😊😊😊
I went to a vo-tech school to learn how to weld and I've been a bike mechanic for 38 years, so between those two, I started with some basic stuff like welding new dropouts on bikes and just worked my way up to a complete frame. You can learn a lot from watching TH-cam videos. Pithy Bikes channel has a ton of beginner info, but the learning curve can be shortened drastically by learning to weld or braze at a vo-tech or an actual frame building school.
I may have some frames for sale soon. Thanks for the question!
@@JoeyMesa thanks a lot for the reply and advices.. This is the result of my quarantine, maybe I discovered my passion, painting, mounting dismounting bike.. Maybe its a little bit late for me because I am 40y/o but I think it is really confirmed.. Anything about bike is my passion..maybe I enroll to some school.. Thanks a lot again.. God bless you sir..
Your tube lengths were just taken from an existing bike? I cant get bikecad to work and im a little stuck on how long my down tube should be. Great vids. Thanks
PS: just found a chart on line. So im good for now.
Keep the vids coming!
Cool. Glad you got it figured out. When I came up with the dimensions for this frame, I didn't copy anything straight from any other frame, but more or less the stack and reach from other frames that I felt "fit" my body really well, then added my ideal HT and ST angles. Nothing ground breaking, just what I felt would fit me the best. The actual tube lengths and angle cuts were just a result of what fit and how I wanted the bike to look. I think I'll do a video on effective ways to come up with frame designs that are functional fit wise, while getting the look you want, so thanks for the inspiration and your feedback!
Awesome set of tutorials brother... thank you so much...
Thanks for checking out the videos! The bike gets used a lot and is still going strong!
+Joey Mesa did you do any kind of analysis and testing for building this bike ? can you tell me how much it costed to build the frame ?
I guess as far as knowledge on frame building and such before I built this frame, I've worked in the bike industry for over 30 years, and seen firsthand what kinds of things can lead to frame failure, as well as where frames typically fail. I've been welding, mainly as a hobby, for 15 or so years and I always wanted to attempt to build a frame. I did a couple of modifications to some old steel frames (dropouts etc.), so I thought it was time to give it a go.
As far as testing, it's still a test in progress! I'll probably build another or two for some friends to test soon as well. I got the tube set from Nova: www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/home.php
I think the complete tube set with BB and dropouts was around $120 Most everything I used was pretty low budget. Probably the biggest investment for me was the tig welder. You could probably build one a lot less expensive by using lugs or fillet brazing with an oxy-acetylene set up, but I grew up in the old school BMX era and I really just like the look of a nice tig welded bike.
+Joey Mesa thank you so much for the info brother.. share more videos on bike building. can you list out some books that may be helpful for bike building for beginners like me ?
I don't know of any specific books on tig welding bicycles. Steve at Pithy Bikes has an excellent channel with quite a lot of videos aimed at the beginner builder. If you haven't seen them yet, here's a link to his playlist series: th-cam.com/play/PLaz6WjKNr9tUDS1wJOVzUrjfIVvvoLC_5.html
nice tig work!
Thank you!
Are you already a machinist or something? I can see you've got a pretty decent workshop.
I'm actually a bicycle mechanic by trade, but I like to tinker with stuff.I think about the only nice piece of equipment I started with was my tig welder, but it allowed me to build a nice welding table, band saw stand, modify a cheap Harbor Freight tube notcher to fit in my drill press Etc.
The bummer is that all my equipment and most of my tools are in storage back in Oklahoma. We moved to Colorado about 6 months ago, so I'm currently in an apartment. The plan is to be in place with some shop space in the near future. Hopefully in a couple years or so I'll have a little mill and lathe, then I can really start machining some stuff!
Thanks for your comment/question!
@@JoeyMesa Yes I'm in an apartment and it's a super restricting pain in the arse trying to do bike mechanics like that. I've done some volunteer bike mechanics at a second-hand community bike place and it was great working with proper space. Cheers and good luck finding a new space and expanding your bike mechanics into the future!
Sir what is the weight of frame you have build it was awesome dude
I don't believe I've ever weighed it. It's probably between 2.5-3 Lbs. The complete bike built up with basic parts weighed 21Lbs
Hey nice job 👍 top marks.
Thank you!
Cool 👏
Thank you!!!
Wow nice work =D
Thank you! Cheers!
How did you do it with the wheels, with quick release and discbreakes ? Did you use adapters ?
Hi,
Nice work
Plz we have any ressource.to Bégin from scratch (Book,diagram,.,.., )Thanks
Impressive!
Thank you!!
Super interesting
Thank you!
Hi, nice job, congratulations! Are you used standard or oversized tubes? Thank you in advance.
Thanks! The tubes are slightly oversized. It's actually designed as a 29'er MTB tube set, but it worked out well fro this grave/commuter bike. This is the actual tube set I used: www.cycle-frames.com/29er-Tubeset-35-X-969-DT.html?category_id=951
@@JoeyMesa thanks !
nice work joey, heat treatment is not required on frame ?
Thanks! No, chromoly frames generally don't need to be heat treated. Thanks for the question!
Wow nice
Thanks!
Was wondering if bending and welding gas pipe for a bicycle frame is possible??? Not asking for a friend, I just don't know if its possible. If not, then how about scaffolding pipe? What's the common type of pipe for that?
I've used gas pipe for various projects, but it's really too thick for a bicycle frame. Sometimes any kind of tubing is great to practice on or do other projects with, but for bicycles, if you're going to take the time to design it and notch the tubes and such, thin wall chromoly tubing is not that difficult to acquire, is strong, light, and will ride SO MUCH BETTER.
The first time I tried something close to building a frame, I basically cut up and old frame that was damaged, rebuilt it with a new head tube and drop outs, and it gave me the confidence to try my first full frame build. I have a video of that bike, but it's mostly pictures: th-cam.com/video/5MSxW16J60Y/w-d-xo.html
I usually get my frame tubing from Nova cycles. They ship worldwide and are pretty reasonably priced. They have complete kits or just individual tubes, dropouts, braze ons, and other parts: www.cycle-frames.com
@@JoeyMesa Wow! Thank you for all of the useful information, you definitely earned a new subscriber!
Awesome work. Why would you use Tig over stick welding ? Thanks and congrats again
Stick welding is generally better for thicker gauge metal. There is much more control with tig welding on thin wall bicycle tubing. Thanks for your feedback and question!
@@JoeyMesa thank you
The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.
Do u have to drill holes where u weld the tube pipes together
Hey Joey. I suppose the tubes (including headtube) are all the same diameter such that did not have to make wood blocks in different sizes? Or did you account for that I the design of the blocks
Good question! The head tube (36mm), down tube (35mm), top tube (31.8), and the seat tube (28.6mm) are 4 different diameters. So, the wood blocks are paired in different sizes. The bottom bracket shell was very square and was 69mm wide. If you divide that in half (34.5mm) that gives you the centerline off the top of the welding table to center all the tubes. I just clamped a piece of angle iron on the platform of my drill press to account for the center of the drill bit holder to the bottom of the wood. From there I just swapped a hole saw corresponding to each tube diameter and it automatically made the wooden block the correct height. With all the tubes cut and mitered, I didn't even use any blocks for the head tube. I just used a large piece of angle and pushed it against the top and down tubes. Those held it in the correct location to tack it together.
Awesome work brother, tryin to my own bike as well, may i know what sizes ur chromoly tubes are in terms of diameter
Thanks! The head tube is 36mm, down tube is 35mm, top tube is 31.8, and the seat tube 28.6mm). I appreciate the feedback!
Great video! Where would one get this chromoly kit? Would love to make this build.
Thanks! I got the tube kit from Nova Cycle supply. They sell tube kits, just individual tubes, lots of different dropouts and BB's www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/
Nice build sir! What brand of tube notcher is that? Or is that a tube clamp that is adjustable? Thanks
It's the one Harbor Freight sells. I'm pretty sure it's the least expensive tube notcher out there, but it's decent and I still have and use it. I made a few mods to it so it worked better for my set up. I made another video a few years ago of a long term review with the things I did to help it work better and links on where to purchase if you don't ave a Harbor Freight nearby. th-cam.com/video/o4BWg2GEM3E/w-d-xo.html
Can i use steel pipes instead of tubes for frame
I've used heavy steel pipe for various projects, but it's really too thick for a bicycle frame. Sometimes any kind of tubing is great to practice on or do other projects with, but for bicycles, if you're going to take the time to design it and notch the tubes and such, thin wall chromoly tubing is not that difficult to acquire, is strong, light, and will ride SO MUCH BETTER.
The first time I tried something close to building a frame, I basically cut up and old frame that was damaged, rebuilt it with a new head tube and drop outs, and it gave me the confidence to try my first full frame build. I have a video of that bike, but it's mostly pictures: th-cam.com/video/5MSxW16J60Y/w-d-xo.html
I usually get my frame tubing from Nova cycles. They ship worldwide and are pretty reasonably priced. They have complete kits or just individual tubes, dropouts, braze ons, and other parts: www.cycle-frames.com
Love It!
What isthe name of the bese guitar song-artist?
+beshtya Thanks! The song is Bicycle -Reunited and the artist is Kevin MacLeod.
Really appreciate...but one more small question please..
What is the tube diameter you took headTube..?
Inner measurements.?
Outer measurements .?
Length .?
For this what headset number you are installing
Please reply
There is a more detailed playlist of 12 other videos I made when building this frame that goes pretty long, but may answer your questions. th-cam.com/play/PLaz6WjKNr9tX_mYw8U5x24Ngyv0UTnX4x.html
The head tube is 36mm outside diameter wise. It's for a typical 1 1/8" steerer tube fork and headset. I purchased the frame tubes from Nova Cycles. This is the exact tube set I used: www.cycle-frames.com/29er-Tubeset-35-X-969-DT.html?category_id=1074
I believe it comes with 3 seat tube length options and 2 head tube diameter options for 1" or 1 1/8" fork steerers. I chose a 68mm wide BSA threaded BB shell and Breezer style dropouts.
@@JoeyMesa I have gone through all the videos..by any chance can you make a set of videos for BMF bike frame please..
th-cam.com/video/3f52AvsrP6w/w-d-xo.html
Think you could change my 1" to a 1 -1/8" threadless
Probably not. I've done it before, but it requires shortening the front end length by 3/8 to 1/2", plus the cost of cutting the old 1" head tube off, mitering and re-welding the 1 1/8" head tube on would exceed the cost of a new frame and fork. I've seen guys who have used an adapter headset cup that allows a 1 1/8" fork to fit into a smaller head tube for a 1" fork, but that's for older US made Schwinns and BMX bikes that have a 32mm inside diameter on the head tube.
Hey I'm trying to make same frame can u please send detail dimensions of the cycle
Probably the easiest way for me to give you the dimensions would be to watch the part 1 frame build video and I go over all the dimensions in detail. th-cam.com/video/zk_aiWfy0dg/w-d-xo.html
@@JoeyMesa Thank you I'm working on a E-Bike project your bike frame design has helped me alot
Just wanted to hit "like" button but spotted the 666 likes under this clip. Not going to change this number 😈
it's time! hit that like button my brother!
cool🤟
Thank you!
where did you learn that? i really wanna make my own frame n maybe i can sell it...
I learned how to tig weld at a vo-tech school. I've worked in the bike industry for a really long time, plus have raced and ridden bikes for over 40 years and that's where I learned about what kind frame geometry feels good to me for what I wanted. The rest was just doing research, practicing and making it up as I went along.
Awsome
Thanks!
Thats pretty... Hanya acy
Can u suggest me a reference/book to learn design of bicycle
Where do you purchase tubing and components from?
I purchased the frame tubing from Nova Cycles. I believe it was one of their 29'er tube kits. www.cycle-frames.com
I work at a bike shop, so I just order parts from one of our suppliers. Most of the parts on this bike are old parts I have left over from older bikes.
From where u arranged tubes ??
www.cycle-frames.com
What is the schedule/wall thickness of the piping
Most of the tubes are double butted at .9mm on the ends, and .6mm in the centers. I think the top of the seat tube is 1.2mm. I purchased the tube set from nova cycles. They've restructured their website, but still sell all kinds of bicycle frame tubes and accessories - cycle-frames.com
Do you need mechanical engineering degree to make frames
No. Hambini might disagree, but some general knowledge of bicycle geometry, in the particular type of frame you're interested in building, in combination with some experience with metal fabrication would be extremely beneficial.
The desire to learn and the willingness to practice is all you need.
Thanks for the question!
how much did it cost ?
The complete tubing kit with dropouts and BB shell cost me about $ 130 US dollars.
how much does the 6 speed weight please?
It weights the same as the speed of light breaking through a glass onion.
Nice. Is chromoly 4130?
Thanks! Yes 4130 is chromoly and is pretty much the main steel or some variation of it for performance bike frames. www.metalsupermarkets.com/what-is-chromoly/
I want to build a bike frame from scrap metal but i have only another type of chromoly 4013 i think.Can i use that.
Pretty much anything you can get your hands on is good to practice with. I used to cut up old frames that were destroyed and weld the pieces into T-joints, or weird angled joints to practice that type of junction that you do when building a bike frame. Welding thin wall chromoly takes a lot of practice. The first rideable bike frame I cobbled together was an old 60cm frame that had been wrecked and the head tube was bent inwards. I basically cut the damaged parts off, welded a 1 1/8" chromoly head tube and dropouts on it and made it into a 56cm track bike. Not sure what kind of tubing the frame was made of, but it was heavier than chromoly, and pretty easy to weld. I still ride it on occasion.
Once you have the ability, and are ready to build a light, strong steel frame, chromoly is the only way to go, plus the tube kits are not that expensive.
Thanks for your help. 😉😎
What's the material ofbike frame
4130 chromoly steel
Where did you get the tubing kit?
cycle-frames.com/collections/main-tubes-tube-sets
@@JoeyMesa Thank you
What is that board name ...how to make such board one
I don't understand the question?
@@JoeyMesa I can see a frame building setup board ...that is what I'm asking name and how to make it
Were did you bought these tubes?
www.cycle-frames.com
Que clase de acero usas
4130 Chromoly. cycle-frames.com/collections/main-tubes-tube-sets
body waight?
Not sure about the frame weight, as I never weighed it. The complete bike weighs about 20-21 pounds.
Where you ordered tubes from pls give link
Got the tube set from Nova Cycles. They have reasonable prices and ship worldwide. www.cycle-frames.com
What is gauge of pipe?
I guess it would be considered 20 gauge. .9mm or .035" is the wall thickness of the 4130 chromoly steel used to build this frame.
@@JoeyMesa thank you
How to design angle
Basically just have an understanding of bicycle frame sizing and geometry. If you're unsure, just copy the geometry of a known bike you liked the way it fit and how it felt.
@@JoeyMesa how to make this setup board to re use every time.
Non detachable hanger
Steel doesn't really bend that easily, plus it's easy to bend back if it does. If it gets damaged beyond repair, I can detach it with my band saw and weld a new one back on.
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Nah! - Joey, you can't build yer own bike. The criticality of the thing! ...can't be done. What's say!? - you did it ?! ...oh, well, nice job.
Thanks! It was definitely challenging at times, but it was a fun project. This bike still gets ridden regularly (13,000 miles on it so far) when the weather is really bad.
@@JoeyMesa I'm so lucky to have an old Serotta steel frame that fits me perfectly. I've brazed lugs for a rack and made the Serotta a touring bike. So I'm set. You sure made creating a bike look easy!
Hi, can I order a customized from you?
I currently don't have access to shop space to do any metal fabrication/frame building. The goal is to relocate into a house with a suitable garage shop to continue my frame building hobby, so, potentially in a year or two I could build you a frame.
Thanks for your question and interest!
I’m ur 130 like
Nice! I was actually riding the bike as you liked the video FYI!
Anyway, thanks, I really appreciate it!!