Thank you for reviewing the Comp! Most outlets only test the S-Works. It's nice to see reviews and weights for more common models. I am actually looking at that exact model but have been hesitant because of that fork.
You guys are the pinnacle of bike reviews in terms of professionalism! I often watch your reviews just for entertainment because they have such good ride footage.
I am trying to learn the essential details about how to compare & contrast different "Stumpjumper' bikes, so that I have more tools to understand, and to make a more analytical buying decision. 90 seconds into this person's video review, and I had already learned more about what I NEED to know than I had learned from watching many other video reviewers of 2022-23 Stumpjumpers. Well done! And thank you - finally, a review that doesn't offend my teacher's-instincts for demonstration and basic instruction. This is by far the most useful teaching/review video of Stumpjumper bikes that I have found thus far. Bravo!
I'm intrigued by it too! Currently fitting it up in the workshop now, and we'll have a follow-up review on the mullet setup coming to flowmountainbike.com/ - stay tuned for that one! [Wil]
FYI, I ride a stumpjumper with the newer flex-stay treatment. After only one month of riding, the torsional flex in the rear triangle caused the tires to rub down to bare carbon on the rear triangle. At 6'6" and 220 pounds (S6 frame), I'm sure not many will have a similar issue, but larger riders might want to keep that in mind. I had an evo before this, and did not have a similar issue. That rear triangle has just a little too much flex outside of the vertical flex that is to be expected from the suspension.
6'6" and 220lbs? You should be on a titanium hardtail goofball. Never understood why these giant dudes want to ride bikes built for people around 5'10" on average
@@DB-sd3cw If you know of a place where I can get a titanium hardtail for the price of a Stumpjumper I'll gladly take the hardtail :) Any bike I've owned adds material as sizes increase... or at least claims to. The Fuel EX I'm riding now is holding up just fine.
I purchased that exact bike in February to upgrade from my 2018 short travel alloy Stumpy. I'm completely happy with it, although I do agree it's a bit twitchy on steep rutted climbs. Will, I don't have the knock in the fork that you complain about. I also run 180 (I'm 69kg) in the shock to get the correct sag. It would have been nice to have XT components but the SLX works extremely well and I don't like SRAM because I push pull to shift. I still have my old stumpy and think it is a great bike to ride. Is carbon worth the extra money ? I'm sure you Won't be disappointed with which ever you buy, Carbon or Alloy.
Comp or Expert Models are always the best Start Base with Specialized, besides that massive price increase since the 22 models... Nearly All bikes are way to expensive for what they are today. I always searched for this Carbon comp Model, but after two other Carbon Bikes I'm glad I went for the Stumpjumper Comp Alloy. It feels so much more robust and for my purpose of an aggressive trial bike. Aluminum isn't as stiff and direct in the feel as carbon, but rides a bit more damped and comfortable. Both has it has advantages for sure. I had the Transition Spur with the same flex stays Design, and it was on one side pretty nice sensitive and good awesome brake traction, but one the other hand when you braap corners harder, the tire touches the inside of the chain and seat stays every time, absolute no go for me. My Comp Alloy in S4 weights 14,9kg without pedals out of the box. You can easily chop a good amount of rolling weight with good aluminum wheels and the nx shifter and deraileur is an absolute no go on an comp model! With the rest you can ride pretty hard and nice. It pedals pretty well uphill too. A rhythm fork isn't as bad as all the slow grip 2 factory people say ;). I was also a bid worried about that, I come from the RS side always. But the rhythm fork and dps damper looks quite nice and quality. You can easy add some volume spacers and flip both lockouts pretty easy on uphill. And you can tune it with a superb cartridge redesign for small money if you want. 90% of the mtb I see, ride bikes with 6000€+ but have skills for a standard aluminum hardtail. Hope you doing more tests of the smaller budget level spec bikes in the future 👍👍👍. Where is your Mullet info coming from? I only know that for the evo Model so far. That would be great if I can build my alloy comp as a mullet version.
I don't believe the mullet link is officially available just yet - we've been told it will be a few months before it's available to purchase in Australia. I'm very curious as to what it'll bring to the Stump - we'll have a separate review on the mullet conversion coming soon to flowmountainbike.com/ - stay tuned! [Wil]
Another great one Will 👍 Your review of the SJ pro was the last push that I needed last year, to upgrade my 2019 SJ ST comp for a 2021 SJ Expert. After a year of riding I can now state that your reviews of the SJ’s are spot on. The biggest difference between ‘comp’ and ‘expert’-models are the better suspension and all I can say is that it is really worth the extra investment. The Performance GRIP2 fork is wat makes this bike so capable and smooth for what is essentially a light and snappy trail bike. Just make sure to swap the flexy Roval aluminium wheels, on both the comp or expert, for a set of carbon Roval Controls. Those wheels are truly fantastic and probably the cheapest on te market for the quality and weight provided. There you have it, Specialized and ‘cheap’ mentioned in one sentence.. 😄
Thanks very much Bas, and glad to hear you're digging the new bike! That 34 GRIP2 fork is unreal hey? Brings a tonne of control, and it's such a good match for the Stumpjumper. We'll be making some suspension upgrades to our test bike over the coming weeks, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it evolves with a few changes, including the mullet setup. [Wil]
This is such a well balanced review going way beyond all those others... I find my Comp to be really capable in the Alps, even the 34 Rhythm performs great. Of you were to upgrade- would you pick a 34 or 36 factory Grip 2? Thx so much! Best from Nauders, Tyrol!
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback! Regarding a fork upgrade; if you're a heavier rider and you want the option to run the fork at 150mm, the obvious option would be the 36. Personally I've loved having the 34 GRIP2 fork on there. Not sure if you've seen this already, but I did a separate review on the Stumpjumper set up as a mullet and with a piggyback shock and a 36/Lyrik: flowmountainbike.com/tests/specialized-stumpjumper-mullet-review/ I also recently did a back-to-back test between the Pike and 34, using the Stumpjumper as the main test bike: flowmountainbike.com/tests/2023-rockshox-pike-vs-fox-34-grip2-review/ On a different note, a few years ago my wife and I passed through Nauders on a road trip - we spent a couple of days riding in Biberwier, and then a couple of days in Latsch. What an amazing part of the world you live in! [Wil]
you review and know a lot about bikes, I was wondering what enduro bike would be the best for me? i only ride whisler bike park both teck and flow jump trails. thank you for your time
Great review👍 would yuo recommend stumpy for heavier rider( around 105kg's) or should i look elsewhre for trail bike that can pedal relatively good without bobbing around and support my weight on the downhill?
Cheers mate, and thanks for the question! I think there's a chance you might find the Stumpjumper a little too light and flexy at your weight, particularly if you're going to be riding it hard. It could be worth considering the Stumpjumper EVO if you didn't mind having a bit of extra travel, though if you wanted to stick to the 130-140mm zone, I would definitely recommend the new Trek Fuel EX, which is considerably stiffer and burlier than the Stumpjumper. Here's our video on the Fuel EX if you fancy checking it out; th-cam.com/video/qWw8bnIORb4/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeTH-cam thanks alot mate. I took a look at that bike/review and i think i'm going with more budged friendly ex8, tad heavier but seems like a solid bike, seems like most of aluminium frame trail bikes are starting to weight 15kg and upwards. Keep up the good work, you guys are making solid content🤘
Hey Josh! Not sure if you'd seen our follow-up review on the Stumpjumper with the mullet link? If not, you can check it out here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/specialized-stumpjumper-mullet-review/ [Wil]
I just ordered the S4 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon White/Black for 3300 Euro total including MWST (VAT) here in Switzerland. It will take a couple of weeks to arrive but thats ok for me. I think this is a sweat deal for that frame and components :) Cheers
I completely agree about your comments RE the fork spec. Specialized are doing their fans a disservice by selling the bike with e Rhythm fork. If it was a Performance then at least it has the stronger chassis and you can upgrade the damper later on but with a Rhythm you pretty much have to replace the whole thing. Maybe not lighter riders but I am 105kg and in my experience, the Rhythm fork is too flexible for my weight and is an absolute no from me.
I just can't understand mountain bike or road biking pricing. Like you can literally buy a giant motorbike for the cost of these bikes, they are way more advanced and more complex and expensiv to manufacture than a bike, yet bikes cost the same or more..
Frame & shock, sets-ya-back a few grand. Actual cost of Chinese assembly-line production...A couple $hundred. Now I see why Walmart & Target & Costco, are very interested in high-end component rigs. They can sell'em for much less.
I’ll never be able to wrap my head around how they get people to actually buy bikes that are this over priced. Whatever it is, I hope the rest of the bike industry never figures it out.
I just bought the Evo comp model a month ago, and have found it to be really good value for the money. Did not have to do any of the upgrades I needed to put on my SC Tallboy 5 years ago to arrive at a performance level I truly wanted. Hoping you find something that works for you!
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
Thank you for reviewing the Comp! Most outlets only test the S-Works. It's nice to see reviews and weights for more common models. I am actually looking at that exact model but have been hesitant because of that fork.
You guys are the pinnacle of bike reviews in terms of professionalism! I often watch your reviews just for entertainment because they have such good ride footage.
I am trying to learn the essential details about how to compare & contrast different "Stumpjumper' bikes, so that I have more tools to understand, and to make a more analytical buying decision. 90 seconds into this person's video review, and I had already learned more about what I NEED to know than I had learned from watching many other video reviewers of 2022-23 Stumpjumpers. Well done! And thank you - finally, a review that doesn't offend my teacher's-instincts for demonstration and basic instruction. This is by far the most useful teaching/review video of Stumpjumper bikes that I have found thus far. Bravo!
Really appreciate all of the weights!
Excellent review as always
Really interested in the Mullet Conversion aspect, please don't make us wait too long to hear all about your impressions on it!
I'm intrigued by it too! Currently fitting it up in the workshop now, and we'll have a follow-up review on the mullet setup coming to flowmountainbike.com/ - stay tuned for that one! [Wil]
FYI, I ride a stumpjumper with the newer flex-stay treatment. After only one month of riding, the torsional flex in the rear triangle caused the tires to rub down to bare carbon on the rear triangle. At 6'6" and 220 pounds (S6 frame), I'm sure not many will have a similar issue, but larger riders might want to keep that in mind. I had an evo before this, and did not have a similar issue. That rear triangle has just a little too much flex outside of the vertical flex that is to be expected from the suspension.
Why did you go to the stumpy and away from the Evo? I’m thinking of doing the same.
@@mtbbomberodad10 I'm thinking about it too. I like the light weight, but I weigh 240# so I have some reservations.
@dadfeelsgood how is that problem going?
6'6" and 220lbs? You should be on a titanium hardtail goofball. Never understood why these giant dudes want to ride bikes built for people around 5'10" on average
@@DB-sd3cw If you know of a place where I can get a titanium hardtail for the price of a Stumpjumper I'll gladly take the hardtail :) Any bike I've owned adds material as sizes increase... or at least claims to. The Fuel EX I'm riding now is holding up just fine.
Sale on these right now ($3k) was too good for me to pass up on. Thanks for the review!
Hey bud I am also interested but only thing holding me back is the hub. How is it? I heard it is pretty bad.
Just bought one for $600 really good deal
I’ve been waiting for this!!!! Another excellent review guys keep up the great work
I purchased that exact bike in February to upgrade from my 2018 short travel alloy Stumpy. I'm completely happy with it, although I do agree it's a bit twitchy on steep rutted climbs. Will, I don't have the knock in the fork that you complain about. I also run 180 (I'm 69kg) in the shock to get the correct sag. It would have been nice to have XT components but the SLX works extremely well and I don't like SRAM because I push pull to shift. I still have my old stumpy and think it is a great bike to ride. Is carbon worth the extra money ? I'm sure you Won't be disappointed with which ever you buy, Carbon or Alloy.
Comp or Expert Models are always the best Start Base with Specialized, besides that massive price increase since the 22 models... Nearly All bikes are way to expensive for what they are today. I always searched for this Carbon comp Model, but after two other Carbon Bikes I'm glad I went for the Stumpjumper Comp Alloy. It feels so much more robust and for my purpose of an aggressive trial bike. Aluminum isn't as stiff and direct in the feel as carbon, but rides a bit more damped and comfortable. Both has it has advantages for sure. I had the Transition Spur with the same flex stays Design, and it was on one side pretty nice sensitive and good awesome brake traction, but one the other hand when you braap corners harder, the tire touches the inside of the chain and seat stays every time, absolute no go for me. My Comp Alloy in S4 weights 14,9kg without pedals out of the box. You can easily chop a good amount of rolling weight with good aluminum wheels and the nx shifter and deraileur is an absolute no go on an comp model! With the rest you can ride pretty hard and nice. It pedals pretty well uphill too. A rhythm fork isn't as bad as all the slow grip 2 factory people say ;). I was also a bid worried about that, I come from the RS side always. But the rhythm fork and dps damper looks quite nice and quality. You can easy add some volume spacers and flip both lockouts pretty easy on uphill. And you can tune it with a superb cartridge redesign for small money if you want. 90% of the mtb I see, ride bikes with 6000€+ but have skills for a standard aluminum hardtail. Hope you doing more tests of the smaller budget level spec bikes in the future 👍👍👍. Where is your Mullet info coming from? I only know that for the evo Model so far. That would be great if I can build my alloy comp as a mullet version.
I don't believe the mullet link is officially available just yet - we've been told it will be a few months before it's available to purchase in Australia. I'm very curious as to what it'll bring to the Stump - we'll have a separate review on the mullet conversion coming soon to flowmountainbike.com/ - stay tuned! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeTH-cam thanks Will👍
Fancy. I have an older stump jumper from like 2004. My oldest boy rides it now. Still a good bike.
Another great one Will 👍 Your review of the SJ pro was the last push that I needed last year, to upgrade my 2019 SJ ST comp for a 2021 SJ Expert. After a year of riding I can now state that your reviews of the SJ’s are spot on. The biggest difference between ‘comp’ and ‘expert’-models are the better suspension and all I can say is that it is really worth the extra investment. The Performance GRIP2 fork is wat makes this bike so capable and smooth for what is essentially a light and snappy trail bike. Just make sure to swap the flexy Roval aluminium wheels, on both the comp or expert, for a set of carbon Roval Controls. Those wheels are truly fantastic and probably the cheapest on te market for the quality and weight provided. There you have it, Specialized and ‘cheap’ mentioned in one sentence.. 😄
Thanks very much Bas, and glad to hear you're digging the new bike! That 34 GRIP2 fork is unreal hey? Brings a tonne of control, and it's such a good match for the Stumpjumper. We'll be making some suspension upgrades to our test bike over the coming weeks, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it evolves with a few changes, including the mullet setup. [Wil]
This is such a well balanced review going way beyond all those others...
I find my Comp to be really capable in the Alps, even the 34 Rhythm performs great.
Of you were to upgrade- would you pick a 34 or 36 factory Grip 2? Thx so much! Best from Nauders, Tyrol!
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback!
Regarding a fork upgrade; if you're a heavier rider and you want the option to run the fork at 150mm, the obvious option would be the 36. Personally I've loved having the 34 GRIP2 fork on there.
Not sure if you've seen this already, but I did a separate review on the Stumpjumper set up as a mullet and with a piggyback shock and a 36/Lyrik: flowmountainbike.com/tests/specialized-stumpjumper-mullet-review/
I also recently did a back-to-back test between the Pike and 34, using the Stumpjumper as the main test bike: flowmountainbike.com/tests/2023-rockshox-pike-vs-fox-34-grip2-review/
On a different note, a few years ago my wife and I passed through Nauders on a road trip - we spent a couple of days riding in Biberwier, and then a couple of days in Latsch. What an amazing part of the world you live in!
[Wil]
Excellent description.🎉
Great review, thanks!
you review and know a lot about bikes, I was wondering what enduro bike would be the best for me? i only ride whisler bike park both teck and flow jump trails. thank you for your time
You can get the alloy version for 1,500 GBP and the Carbon version for 2,600. Is the carbon version worth the extra 900?
Great review👍 would yuo recommend stumpy for heavier rider( around 105kg's) or should i look elsewhre for trail bike that can pedal relatively good without bobbing around and support my weight on the downhill?
Cheers mate, and thanks for the question!
I think there's a chance you might find the Stumpjumper a little too light and flexy at your weight, particularly if you're going to be riding it hard. It could be worth considering the Stumpjumper EVO if you didn't mind having a bit of extra travel, though if you wanted to stick to the 130-140mm zone, I would definitely recommend the new Trek Fuel EX, which is considerably stiffer and burlier than the Stumpjumper.
Here's our video on the Fuel EX if you fancy checking it out; th-cam.com/video/qWw8bnIORb4/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeTH-cam thanks alot mate.
I took a look at that bike/review and i think i'm going with more budged friendly ex8, tad heavier but seems like a solid bike, seems like most of aluminium frame trail bikes are starting to weight 15kg and upwards.
Keep up the good work, you guys are making solid content🤘
What's your take on the Top Fuel 8 vs this model? Thank you.
Really well presented, cheers.
Is there more Stumpjumper content coming? Looking forward to what's next!
Hey Josh! Not sure if you'd seen our follow-up review on the Stumpjumper with the mullet link? If not, you can check it out here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/specialized-stumpjumper-mullet-review/ [Wil]
I have that bottle. I think I'd rather a non insulated for the extra volume, as I don't find the insulation really helps all that much.
I just ordered the S4 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon White/Black for 3300 Euro total including MWST (VAT) here in Switzerland. It will take a couple of weeks to arrive but thats ok for me.
I think this is a sweat deal for that frame and components :)
Cheers
What Mud Gurard did you use on the front? Seen in video.
I completely agree about your comments RE the fork spec. Specialized are doing their fans a disservice by selling the bike with e Rhythm fork. If it was a Performance then at least it has the stronger chassis and you can upgrade the damper later on but with a Rhythm you pretty much have to replace the whole thing. Maybe not lighter riders but I am 105kg and in my experience, the Rhythm fork is too flexible for my weight and is an absolute no from me.
Another one? I can finally afford the 2019 model
Thanks for the video
Our pleasure mate, thanks for watching! [Wil]
Why is the Fox 34 OK in this bike and not on Levo SL?
Prices in Australia are scary!! 😳
How would you say it compares to the new trance 29er?
Cancel that I read the online review
Howdy, Will!!
I just can't understand mountain bike or road biking pricing. Like you can literally buy a giant motorbike for the cost of these bikes, they are way more advanced and more complex and expensiv to manufacture than a bike, yet bikes cost the same or more..
Frame & shock, sets-ya-back a few grand. Actual cost of Chinese assembly-line production...A couple $hundred. Now I see why Walmart & Target & Costco, are very interested in high-end component rigs. They can sell'em for much less.
Head is cold arms are hot? Hipsters ride MTB?
What temp are the legs!?
what is the width of a handle bar?
780?
That is a lot of money for cheap components.
Unfortunately thats beginning to be a standard complaint for Specialized... high price with weak spec.
Spot on, over rated and over priced.
@@michaelroberts1155 pinkbike’s 2020 mountain bike of the year was a stumpy evo
I’ll never be able to wrap my head around how they get people to actually buy bikes that are this over priced. Whatever it is, I hope the rest of the bike industry never figures it out.
I just bought the Evo comp model a month ago, and have found it to be really good value for the money. Did not have to do any of the upgrades I needed to put on my SC Tallboy 5 years ago to arrive at a performance level I truly wanted. Hoping you find something that works for you!
I bought a Trek without knowing much about modern bikes and now feel that I overpaid. If I was to do it over again, I think I'd go with Polygon.
Imagine paying $7200 dollarydoos and the fork being only "kind of okay." Modern bike prices make my wallet cry.
Australian dollars are not the same as USD.
@@paulhusby8344 dollarydoos are australian dollars
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
What pedals are those please?
Those are the new Race Face Atlas - currently my favourite flat pedals! [Wil]
What the fuck are those prices, Specialized...
Specializing in ripping off consumers since 1974