I've always loved how when Clive abducts Flora, there are six grown adults in the room, two of which are police officers, and the first to chase him is Luke.
*Oh my god, I never noticed that!* When Dimitri finds Claire's body after the explosion, she was wearing her blue Celeste-top! She left her date with Hershel in a dark top but when we see her the next time dead on the ground she is wearing her future clothes. Claire's corpse we see in the middle of the game IS what happened to her _after she returned back to her time at the end of the game!_ 😨
Did it take you that long to realize that detail... I noticed it quite a few years ago but not around the time or few years before or after the game's release.
@@Zeldarulah no, even after that, in lady layton, its supposed to take place after both trilogies and past characters are shown and mentioned in the anime, except for flora
This game always stuck with me because of how much one person’s choice & greed impacted so many others so greatly and painfully. Really makes you think about life and also bout how much of a douche bill is because he literally caused all of these events.
The worst part is how Bill never gets his comeuppance. The only thing that happens is a snide comment from Chelmey at the end. Everything is Bill's fault, and everyone else suffers for it instead of him.
@@0SC2 Yup. Of all characters, he really was the one who deserved to die the most. But much like the real world, the corrupt politician in this game never receives any consequences for his actions. Pretty depressing.
I love the way the game makes you think the title "Lost/unwound Future" is referring to the "future London" the main portion of the plot happens in at the beginning, but then by the end you realize it's referring to the future Claire and Layton could have had, now lost forever.
@@rosewoods3765 and @MysticMadeline Take it from someone who has both versions (don’t ask) UK is Lost Future and US is Unwound Future. Just like how UK is Pandora’s Box while US is Diabolical Box. I perfer the UK version purely because I think the voice acting is a 100 times better than the US. Especially with Luke.
This game played such a big part in my childhood, I always played it when my parents fought, it required me to think and use my brain, which distracted me from my parents yelling, and as a reward for solving puzzles I would get to watch an awesome cutscene! So Nostalgic…
I had a similar strategy with the both the Layton games and the Ace Attorney games. Brainteasers are a surprisingly great distraction technique from arguing family members haha. Both series are very dear to me as a result. Love both of them.
Something I realized about this game in particular is how they showed Layton to be a little more out of character than before. Not knowing how much Claire impacted him to break his normality when he see’s her again and the ending. This game shows Layton at his vulnerability but honestly one of the best of the best ever made. Also I hate how Bill never got his dues for what he did and the damage he’s caused to Clive and everyone around the science field
i've always wanted to play this game- once it came out on Android i INSTANTLY bought it. And holy crap. . .I beat it within three days and I'm so glad I played it. I almost cried- By far one of the best professor layton games.
@@burrito_therapy9156 I sped ran a game that wasn't supposed to be speed runable. I didn't look up the answer to the riddles. Really hated the math ones.
Clive is like descole. Both are villains who lost their parents when they were young and that's why wanted revenge.they even know layton in the past,manipulated others for their own goals and wanted to destroy a city (by descole was that he wanted to destroy 2 cities) but get in the end redeemed
This franchise was the best selling Nintendo franchises in the UK for a very long time. Every store shelf was packed with them with every new release. I think when Lost Future came out Toys R' Us had like nearly 1500 copies in store. I don't know, I was only like 4 or 5 at the time, but I can remember every store I went to Professor Layton was one of the most trending game franchises, along with Halo, Batman Arkham and Uncharted.
When i first played on the DS, when i first saw Clive i had the biggest crush in his character for some reason even thoigh he ended uo as the villain🤣😍
I remember getting all nervous when Layton revealed they weren't in the future...and when he says, "Someone here masterminded a scheme even more awful..." I actually said aloud, "Please don't be Future Luke, please don't be Future Luke..."
HES SO ATTRACTIVE LIKE I HAD A CRUSH ON HIM WHEN I WAS 7 THE ONLY REASON I CONTINUED WATCHING MY SISTER PLAY THE GAME WAS THAT I WANTED TO HEAR HIS BEAUTIFUL VOICE
fml this reawakened memories of me as a kid sitting and replaying the cutscenes with him in cuz my dumbass had a crush on him, same with one of the pandora's box characters... now i need to replay the layton games, thank god i have them all around still. Only question is this: do I play them in release order or story order?
I remember when I finished Professor layton and the pandora's box. And thought to my self wouldn't it be funny if Don paolo dressed him self as Layton next. You can probably imagine my shock when he actually did it.
i just think it is so funny while yes i cry every god damn time i see him take off that Hat and it is a tragic story BUT YET NOONE TALKS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PPL CLIVE DID KILL WITH HIS MACHINE. like he ripped a big chunk of London into the depths and then just stomps like 10 huge buildings with one single stomp and the machine does go on for a while like it is crazy how it's just a "yup these things happen from time to time aint nothing we can do...!"
@@Hazearil it’s like at least 200 per leg, not to mention 100 for the guns and then deaths that happened whilst you were stopping Clive. Probably half London
@@deadlineuniverse3189 I mean, we never saw the body’s burn fully in the PL vs PW game (correct me if I’m wrong) but that didn’t stop the game getting a T rating. I’d think standing on people is enough for a higher rating. At least E10+ or 12
The ending always brings me to tears. Seeing Professor Layton break down and cry like that then removing his hat. 🥺 The scene where he and Luke say their goodbyes also makes me really sad. I like closure and need it but I also hate when things end.
Even though I really like this game, it's far from perfect, but one thing that, IMHO it's absolutelly perfect is Don Paolo's character arc, my man is just straight up the mvp of this game (going from a goofy, mustache-twirling villian, to a simpatetic and very human rival and ally, and I just can't get enough of his tragically humurous backstory, that moment actually made me laugh out loud 15:30; it really is something that feels right at home on a Layton game), and I'd even argue that, alongside Layton's "journey", is by far my favourite aspect of this game.
To his credit, if this was the first time in 10 years you'd seen the love of your life, and the last time you would ever see them going forward, you'd made a scene too
@@jesterday3965 to his credit I fucking LOVE the strong stoic gentlemanly characters losing their shit. it WAS justified! It WAS called for! And 9 year old me could not have possibly been more hype for it!
So…how did they hollow out an entire city underneath a city? When the robot comes to the top I don’t see any sewer pipes, electrical cables or anything. Wait, what about structural integrity???there’s no way a hollow dome could hold the weight of an ENTIRE CITY and a river.
I played this up until the 7th chapter and after that my savestate got deleted. i was so mad and didnt continued it cuz i was at least halfway in the game so now here i am, searching for what actually happened and well i always knew future luke is the villain when the clock shop guy called him young master
"I can't, I won't!" and "I'm not a gentleman yet!" AUGH why did they have to be back to back my soul hurts Also, to quote Oz from JelloPlays' recent Curious Village playthrough, "Using various objects, Layton crafts a gun." 9:19
My goodness. They really did my man Hershel dirty in this show, he's gone through enough trauma as it is. And can we all agree that the major is the source of all of their problems in this story?
@@kingcrimson2643 Phrased it incorrectly, my mistake. I meant Luke, yes. By god would it have been unnerving if the entire cast had different voice actors
I've always loved how when Clive abducts Flora, there are six grown adults in the room, two of which are police officers, and the first to chase him is Luke.
freaking legend
Well, Luke is the fastest after all, especially based on that one scene in eternal diva
I don't like randomly shipping, but Luke always acts like he's responsible for Flora and he's so cute protecting her when necessary. I like them.
Imagine if it were Emmy. Not knocking Flora but seeing Emmy put Clive in his place would have been hilarious
@@angelic5374I kinda liked belle and Luke 😂
Ah cool! Now I get to suffer in HD!
Yay depression in HD !
Suffer???
*Oh my god, I never noticed that!*
When Dimitri finds Claire's body after the explosion, she was wearing her blue Celeste-top! She left her date with Hershel in a dark top but when we see her the next time dead on the ground she is wearing her future clothes. Claire's corpse we see in the middle of the game IS what happened to her _after she returned back to her time at the end of the game!_ 😨
good catch!!
Holy shit that’s brilliant
Did it take you that long to realize that detail... I noticed it quite a few years ago but not around the time or few years before or after the game's release.
NOO THATS SO SAD??
rest in peace, flora. you had so much promise before literally dropping off the face of the earth.
They went, YEET FLORA
What do you mean?
@@franciscoandreuzavala1838 Maybe he doesn't realize the other three games are prequels? Idk
@@Zeldarulah no, even after that, in lady layton, its supposed to take place after both trilogies and past characters are shown and mentioned in the anime, except for flora
@@shar468 ok well that also has a talking dog and is total BS
15:10 I'll never get over that scene. The way Flora sidesteps away from him and the way Layton just walks up lmao. It's so good.
Looking for this, ty.
Well considering what Paul did to Flora is Pandora's box I wouldn't blame her
This game always stuck with me because of how much one person’s choice & greed impacted so many others so greatly and painfully. Really makes you think about life and also bout how much of a douche bill is because he literally caused all of these events.
The worst part is how Bill never gets his comeuppance. The only thing that happens is a snide comment from Chelmey at the end. Everything is Bill's fault, and everyone else suffers for it instead of him.
This is my favorite Layton game of all time, but the only thing I really dislike is that Bill never pays for his actions.
yeah that's the sad truth.. those with powers and reputation will never be doubted of crimes, unless you have very solid and legittimate proof
@@firestar4407 Welcome to the real world lol, where politicians ruin the lives of countless people and live luxuriously
@@0SC2 Yup. Of all characters, he really was the one who deserved to die the most. But much like the real world, the corrupt politician in this game never receives any consequences for his actions. Pretty depressing.
I love the way the game makes you think the title "Lost/unwound Future" is referring to the "future London" the main portion of the plot happens in at the beginning, but then by the end you realize it's referring to the future Claire and Layton could have had, now lost forever.
28:36
If this story makes you feel sad, just know that in an alternate universe, this won’t be the last time Hershel says “I do” to Claire
WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT IM SAD
Bro why are you doing this to me
Sorry I’n not sure to understand, I don’t speak English very well. Could u explain please ?
@@roxyenamaryfells4662in an alternate universe, they could have gotten married and that where he says “I do”
$15.99 may seem overpriced, but it's honestly a steal. That's how good this game is.
15.99???? I got this game from for thirty pounds
@@burrito_therapy9156 I got it for €45 euro's idk what that is in pounds/dollars
Mate I got this secondhand for 4 pounds
@@iamnotanorange6020 15.99 is for the iPhone version, with the HD cutscenes. I think curious village has a new cutscene at the start too
I bought this game when it was released for around €50
Our shared past...
And our lost future.
I swear I thought she said and our unwound future
@@rosewoods3765 It’s different in the UK and the US. I can’t really remember which is which though.
Lost future was perfect, unwound future would have ruined it for me
@@rosewoods3765 and @MysticMadeline Take it from someone who has both versions (don’t ask) UK is Lost Future and US is Unwound Future. Just like how UK is Pandora’s Box while US is Diabolical Box. I perfer the UK version purely because I think the voice acting is a 100 times better than the US. Especially with Luke.
This game played such a big part in my childhood, I always played it when my parents fought, it required me to think and use my brain, which distracted me from my parents yelling, and as a reward for solving puzzles I would get to watch an awesome cutscene!
So Nostalgic…
I had a similar strategy with the both the Layton games and the Ace Attorney games. Brainteasers are a surprisingly great distraction technique from arguing family members haha.
Both series are very dear to me as a result. Love both of them.
Same, I grew up in an abusive home and played this game asan escape. Today I study archaeology just because of this
10:00 the saddest part is that luke actually doesnt get credit for assisting
Yeah......
Agreed
@yymenghis64 mobile fortress theme, gilded 8 casino theme, or maybe the introduction of evil luke theme?
yeah that part always makes me cry
tbh
Something I realized about this game in particular is how they showed Layton to be a little more out of character than before. Not knowing how much Claire impacted him to break his normality when he see’s her again and the ending.
This game shows Layton at his vulnerability but honestly one of the best of the best ever made.
Also I hate how Bill never got his dues for what he did and the damage he’s caused to Clive and everyone around the science field
17:03 Am I the only one who screamed when this happened. I genuinely did not see that coming at all.
agreed. rip beesly 😭
Beesly survived that if you take the credit pictures as canon.
This is the first time I've ever seen Layton cry in any other game or movie I've seen him and he doesn't really get sad
i've always wanted to play this game-
once it came out on Android i INSTANTLY bought it. And holy crap. . .I beat it within three days and I'm so glad I played it. I almost cried-
By far one of the best professor layton games.
I hope they put spectres call up too
Have you played the others. They’re great as well
DID YOU SAY THREE DAYS?! HOw many hours did you spend? It took me weeks 😭😭
@@Anonhaha122 1 to 3. Haven't played the rest and I dont choose to play Pheonix Wright vs Professor Layton.
@@burrito_therapy9156 I sped ran a game that wasn't supposed to be speed runable.
I didn't look up the answer to the riddles. Really hated the math ones.
9:20 probably my fav layton cutscene ever, he's just so badass in this
19:54 Claire's body has Celeste's clothes on rather than the black shirt she wore when she left for work. Hinting that Celeste is actually Claire.
Makes me sad that they didn’t make any new cutscenes... still one of my favorite games of all times!!
Clive is like descole.
Both are villains who lost their parents when they were young and that's why wanted revenge.they even know layton in the past,manipulated others for their own goals and wanted to destroy a city (by descole was that he wanted to destroy 2 cities) but get in the end redeemed
This franchise was the best selling Nintendo franchises in the UK for a very long time. Every store shelf was packed with them with every new release. I think when Lost Future came out Toys R' Us had like nearly 1500 copies in store. I don't know, I was only like 4 or 5 at the time, but I can remember every store I went to Professor Layton was one of the most trending game franchises, along with Halo, Batman Arkham and Uncharted.
layton is from level 5
31:31 One of the most remarkable game franchise for me along with Ace Attorney. I would die just to play this for the first time again
That's very cool, because there's also been a Professor Layton - Ace Attorney combo game!!!
21:43 One of the best plot twists in the entire franchise!
A small lighthouse was actually a gigantic mobile fortress that can destroy mankind!
When i first played on the DS, when i first saw Clive i had the biggest crush in his character for some reason even thoigh he ended uo as the villain🤣😍
Same here 😅 and aftet all those years I still have a soft spot for him
Same here✨✨
I remember getting all nervous when Layton revealed they weren't in the future...and when he says, "Someone here masterminded a scheme even more awful..." I actually said aloud, "Please don't be Future Luke, please don't be Future Luke..."
@@acballi4478
SAAAME. I saw the connection and I just repeated "oh god not future luke" before the big reveal
Saaaaaaaaame. I'd keep watching the same slot machine cutscene just to see him in action.
Just now realised one of my favourite VAs (Yuri Lowenthol) plays Clive.
Definitely my favorite professor layton game. The story is amazing
Who else think clive is the best villain of the first proffesor layton trilogy
I personally prefer Anton, but Clive is good
don't know anything about professor layton, but honestly, i simp for clive
Yes. Because Look how man people He killed with his Machine. Very sad. A lot of People died
Agreed
@Mr7Reality i will, ive heard great things about them :)
Poor Professor layton, if claire never passed away, they would so be happy together.
Omg I crushed so hard for Clive when I played this game.
Same lol
SAME
Lol I think everyone did
Ok but did anyone else notice the parallel of “it won’t end this way!” And “I can’t, I won’t!” And they were both wrong?
If clive wasn't a crazy ass I would totally have fallen for him. 😭💕🤣🤣
HIM BEING A CRAZY ASS MADE ME LIKE HIM MORE
HES SO ATTRACTIVE LIKE I HAD A CRUSH ON HIM WHEN I WAS 7 THE ONLY REASON I CONTINUED WATCHING MY SISTER PLAY THE GAME WAS THAT I WANTED TO HEAR HIS BEAUTIFUL VOICE
Oh my God, I remember being 10 and having a huge crush on Clive lol. He was just so cool and a perfectly written grey character
fml this reawakened memories of me as a kid sitting and replaying the cutscenes with him in cuz my dumbass had a crush on him, same with one of the pandora's box characters... now i need to replay the layton games, thank god i have them all around still. Only question is this: do I play them in release order or story order?
That 100% did not stop me for falling for him. That’s the loml right there
Clive looks like he could be Luke’s older brother
Until you see Luke in the spin off show with Layton’s daughter! Luke looks really different when he is older a lot like his dad
Or even Luke himself! The resemblance is uncanny.
I remember when I finished Professor layton and the pandora's box. And thought to my self wouldn't it be funny if Don paolo dressed him self as Layton next.
You can probably imagine my shock when he actually did it.
Never been into or even play any professor layton game but seeing this made me tear up
EXCUSE ME, I ORDERED HAPPINESS NOT FEELS!
op i hope you know that . after those 2 years you are still my hero for posting this on youtube
IT WON'T END THIS WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY
Top 10 saddest anime deaths😂
ICONIC LINE
i just think it is so funny while yes i cry every god damn time i see him take off that Hat and it is a tragic story BUT YET NOONE TALKS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PPL CLIVE DID KILL WITH HIS MACHINE. like he ripped a big chunk of London into the depths and then just stomps like 10 huge buildings with one single stomp and the machine does go on for a while like it is crazy how it's just a "yup these things happen from time to time aint nothing we can do...!"
Thanks for posting this, I played it 12 years ago, and it's fun rewarching the scenes
ENOUGH EXPLANATION’S........ let me show you!!!!
Goes and kills 100’s of people on screen in front of our eyes.
Rated for kids
"100’s"? Way more than that I think.
@@Hazearil it’s like at least 200 per leg, not to mention 100 for the guns and then deaths that happened whilst you were stopping Clive. Probably half London
E for everyone
We can never say (100%) that we saw any kind of body…so yeah.
@@deadlineuniverse3189 I mean, we never saw the body’s burn fully in the PL vs PW game (correct me if I’m wrong) but that didn’t stop the game getting a T rating. I’d think standing on people is enough for a higher rating. At least E10+ or 12
33:48 That ship definitely won't hit an iceberg
Welll duhhh because it looks like RMS Aquitania, not Titanic.....
The ending always brings me to tears. Seeing Professor Layton break down and cry like that then removing his hat. 🥺
The scene where he and Luke say their goodbyes also makes me really sad. I like closure and need it but I also hate when things end.
LAYTON IS SO CUTE WHEN HE'S BLUSHING WTF
It was amazing!!! So glad I played this game on Nintendo DS a couple of years ago
Game: HD
Video: 480p
Idk what's the resolution in-game, but at least 720p wouldn't have hurt
Don't look at me; UFHD has these cutscenes saved in 480p, in-game. Believe me, I feel just as robbed as you do.
@@pryingbird7482 thanks for clarifying, that sucks!
Even though I really like this game, it's far from perfect, but one thing that, IMHO it's absolutelly perfect is Don Paolo's character arc, my man is just straight up the mvp of this game (going from a goofy, mustache-twirling villian, to a simpatetic and very human rival and ally, and I just can't get enough of his tragically humurous backstory, that moment actually made me laugh out loud 15:30; it really is something that feels right at home on a Layton game), and I'd even argue that, alongside Layton's "journey", is by far my favourite aspect of this game.
Layton really did lose it and yell at a lady and overall make quite a scene didn’t he?
Very gentlemanly, Hershel.
😭😭
To his credit, if this was the first time in 10 years you'd seen the love of your life, and the last time you would ever see them going forward, you'd made a scene too
@@jesterday3965 to his credit I fucking LOVE the strong stoic gentlemanly characters losing their shit. it WAS justified! It WAS called for! And 9 year old me could not have possibly been more hype for it!
This game was awesome man
24:11 It always surprised me how nobody was ever that shocked after Clive commited MASS MURDER in London!
i personally prefer the line "and our...unwound future" cause that hits 1000000x the pain
Right in the feels again with that ending. 😢
Is it just me or does Fake Future Luke look more like Luke than Real Future Luke does?
Real Future Luke seems to take a lot after Clark!
Played alot of these games growing up, such a good franchise
9:29 lmfao no emotion they just drop like puppets
we scream with our mouths closed
I love watching this as an English person cos it's so obvious that a load of the VAs do not have an English accent and they're just putting it on
32:53 Yes, thank you, Luke 😂
I thought the same thing XD
How insensitive
34:13 I’m about to get in the car and move away from my old house and this scene is really resonating with me right now.
And now, the new game is... full steampunk. With mechanic walkers and airships and all.
28:27 That's when I started sobbing seeing my beloved like this.
This is the Lost Future! Luke's voice acting is from the PAL version.
I have to say that the German Clive sounds a lot more intimidating and insane than the English one
So…how did they hollow out an entire city underneath a city? When the robot comes to the top I don’t see any sewer pipes, electrical cables or anything.
Wait, what about structural integrity???there’s no way a hollow dome could hold the weight of an ENTIRE CITY and a river.
I SWEAR TO GOD CLAIRE SAID UNWOUND FUTURE!
it depends on which game version u played, if u played the unwound future (which is the us version) she said unwound future instead of lost future
I played this up until the 7th chapter and after that my savestate got deleted. i was so mad and didnt continued it cuz i was at least halfway in the game so now here i am, searching for what actually happened and well i always knew future luke is the villain when the clock shop guy called him young master
I forgot that it's the lost future for mobile on the original ds and the dsi its the unwound future
Unwound future is the us title for the game on ds and mobile. Lost future is the European title for both too
@@elliecinnamonroll ohh sorry I'm American and quite honestly im starting to see why we have stereotypes
@@-numbers912 Sounds pretty synonymous to me. I don't get putting down Americans for everything.
It's so funny to me that the name of the game is different in America when the line at the end with Claire is still "our lost future" lmao
I have both versions (dont ask) and Claire actually does say “Unwound Future” in the US ending cutscene as opposed to “Lost Future” for the UK’s.
I SWEAR TO GOD THIS. IS NOT AN OK ENDING
9:37 did they forget to animate the short guy?
I'm actually laughing so hard
When you realise that Clive is voiced by Spider-Man.
Which one? 😂
@@DeathofSnoopy Yuri Lowenthal 😂
32:56 He loses her a second time... again 🥺
Surprised Chelmey face
21:31
O:
@@meeskollenhof :€O
omg this ending....
If Future London was built underground, how did Clive manage to maintain it without causing earthquakes?
This really brings memory back, really.
16:01 just to think that's how his rivalry with him started...
20:38 I'm in love.
24:22 WELP.
Flora's eyes are so pretty.
3:51 when professor layton sus
What do you mean?
NOOOOO
LMFAOOOOO
@@ellaenriquez777 I don’t get it???
@@meeskollenhof Amogus
"I can't, I won't!" and "I'm not a gentleman yet!" AUGH why did they have to be back to back my soul hurts
Also, to quote Oz from JelloPlays' recent Curious Village playthrough, "Using various objects, Layton crafts a gun." 9:19
Now when will Professor Layton appear on Netflix? 🎩
@Mr7Reality it is online in eng search youtube
@Mr7Reality The serie was 15/2/2022 15 years old, ther is a discount on ios and android. Ther is a contest on the layton website.
New game soon
the absolute GRIP that clive x flora had on the professor layton shipping community is stronger than gorilla glue
oh to be flora
@@chelstqz IFKR
People shipped Clive and Flora...?
@@angelic5374 you better believe it
@@antichrist1975 HELL NO.
NEVER.
0:04 British people when it chimes:
"OI BRUV LOOK AT THE TIME MATE *SIIIIIIP*
23:50 how covid gets in your cells
this game breaks me
My goodness. They really did my man Hershel dirty in this show, he's gone through enough trauma as it is. And can we all agree that the major is the source of all of their problems in this story?
is it wrong for me to be gay for clive or,,,,,
I think everyone likes Clive
no not at all..
where's the cutscene with layton slapping the kid please I'm begging you I feel like I'm being gaslit right now I cant find it anywhere
its part of the ending, its only a voiced visual novel bit, not animated, its during layton and clives conversation in the epilogue :)
honestly, (especially) without context this comment is such a banger 🤣
I kinda wonder just how many people were killed by Clive here.
17:00 beasly/con can travel to bleach to all the way to professor layton
As any one calculated how big is the mobile fortress in this game?
Unwound was the best game!
I've played this game but before never finished it.
Eat it, Bill Hawks!
FLORA, CHILD, WHERE ARE YOU--
31:00 will always break me
Did they do something to Luke’s voice?
This is the EU release. They were always different from the US voice actors, even back then when they were released on the DS.
So I wasn’t crazy then.
@@pryingbird7482 actually Luke Voice was the only different one I think. Layton had the same VA across both versions.
@@kingcrimson2643 Phrased it incorrectly, my mistake. I meant Luke, yes. By god would it have been unnerving if the entire cast had different voice actors
19:55 Snape and Lily
This is so true 😂
Yay! Genocide in my puzzle game!
I absolutely adore this series but *what the fuck were they thinking?*