The Finals Made This Unstoppable?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- The Finals Season 4 buffed this grenade launcher to the moon so I thought I'd try it out and see if it is really unstoppable.
The Finals Season 4 is so good and in this video I try to see if the CL-40 Grenade Launcher is too much in The Finals.
The Finals deserves more praise, but do you think this needs a nerf?
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every gun dominates in the hands of the right player
That's what also makes the finals a banger.
Yeah but spamming the cashout with triple medium grenade launcher is a joke 0 skills
@@makavali-yb7xv facts. That gun has gotten really annoying tbh.
@makavali-yb7xv just run APS turrent. There's counters to everything
@@makavali-yb7xv just run ApS turrent
it becomes really hard to deal with when multiple people have it and its also really dependent on your positioning
I found myself as a heavy with grenade and two teammates with cl 40, it was…..loud and wild.
I think cl 40 is ok, the reload keeps it in check imo.
It’s gonna get a nerf sooner or later
This got me all chubbed up 😏😩
We were 3 CLs on the suspended platform in Monaco. The station was on the ground and we were all on the platforms. 3 teams tried no one could even touch our cash. That was really funny but I think it ruins the game
Nah its a joke now. Triple mediums just spamming cashout when defending 0 skills
Nah I bet this gonna get nerf, they just temporary buff it for skin sale
lol “ im here with what could be a problem” ur so right
I’ll respect whichever decition Embark makes next balance patch, but when there is a CL40 in my lobbies, specially a team with at least two of them, the difference is quite stark
This gun with 3 mediums is so hard to deal with 😂😂
You almost have to play it like model 1887 style, by shooting once, run or jump for a sec to duke them out then shoot again, direct hits are more important too for this to be somewhat oppresive. You genuinely can win every upclose 1v1 against mediums and lights. Against heavies its bit of a miss given their large health pool but even then its still a lot of pressure and very disorienting on the receiving end. I think its just people dont understand how to play around it yet, even i dont tbh.
It's so funny to see this weapon in different players hands, it really highlights how much knowing your own play style and building a class around that (and how it helps your teammates) makes a huge difference in this game. I don't love the gun myself but the potential is definitely there to be a slapper in the right hands.
Thanks for the great content and for continuing to cover our great game that just isn't getting the love it deserves!
the CL-40 for the medium build & the Thermal Bore for the light make destruction accessible for all 3 builds. if the cashout is in tall building i usually destroy the doorways, hallways, or stairs by the station to make it a pain to try to get to without being noticed by my team. its easy pickings from there. i always enjoyed the heavy build, i mainly use the medium, and i rarely used light. I know i know im rambling but im spiderman with explosives on the light build now. One time i shot a hole with the bore in the building where the cashout was, grappled up there, when i got in there were 2 teams fighting and the building started to crumble from their destruction, by the graces of the gamer Gods the floor above me fell on me and the cashout and i used my new cover to steal the cashout LAST Second and we qualified. after that i got humbled with 4th place in the next round LOL
thats the beauty of this game
It’s really powerful when 2 mediums are using it but I’m fine with the damage buff. I just wish they upped the splash damage done to the shooter, that way getting in close would be a real counter
Its already a real counter, you get tones of damage from your own explosions
@@AksilyratFr I won't even shoot if they get close to me cause of how much it deals to you 😢
The finals community when the CL40 is useless: 😡
The finals community when they buff the CL40 to be usable: 😡
Everyone is complaining, but noone will actually keep playing it.
AK and Pike are just too Meta.
Been maining it from S1 till now, but its never been Meta and probably never will be besides the ARs
(btw, dont go to Reddit for valid Opinions, most of them are just crying over being killed by anything)
Fr, it’s not the gun thats the problem, it’s the people playing with it. Give someone who’s doing well with the cl40 an ak and they are still gonna do well, probably better
@@natesawyer6004 Well I'm pretty much in the same boat, AKM has been my main since FCAR got it's rework/nerf and with AKM getting a red dot this season it is by far the best option for a medium player. Even after facing a lot of CL-40 users I have never been in a situation where I think the guy only won cuz of the gun. I've won in every single 1v1 situation against a CL-40 user and have only died if I'm caught in a bad situation or they ambush me while actually hitting their shots. People just like to blame something when they lose a fight, it's not possible for them to think they might be the problem lmao.
The CL-40 feels very oppressive when on the receiving end, but it's not OP at all, especially when compared to other weapons this season. It only has four shots when fully reloaded and takes a minimum of three shots to kill a medium, and two shots to kill a light. I don't see how people are complaining about this weapon as being OP, when the pike and 1887 have faster ttk, more range, hitscan, way more ammo, etc... What exactly makes the CL-40 OP in your opinion? Negatives are low ammo count, slow reload, slow ttk, slow bullet travel, have to arc your shots, you can damage yourself with it, can be completely blocked by aps turret and the arc of your shot also gets affected by low gravity event which messes up your muscle memory. Positives are it does aoe explosive damage, and is played with hip fire which allows for more movement. I can see an argument that playing against the CL-40 is very annoying, but that's all. I think they could reduce the damage a small amount, but I truly don't think it's "completely broken" as people say.
I think players just get annoyed when a weapon that wasn't good previously is now viable and used frequently, but there are other weapons that are just factually better in many more ways this season.
Thank you, its not a good weapon it is just disorientating like the turret. The turret doesn't really do the most damage in the world but if you play like a dummy you will be punished. Same with this. This game has such a massively diverse style of playability that people aren't able to adapt to different situations. That's the beauty of this game. Never stop Embark.
@@robertbarksdale3728 completely agree. I think if anything should be done it might be some overall clearity enhancements. Like a warning ping that a third party is engaging (important information that premades easily call each other but soloQ almost always gets this info too late) and some sounds are way too loud like the fans on the outer circle of the map so you dont hear the enemy footsteps etc
with the 1887 and pike you actually need to hit the enemy. they should decrease the damage and the radius down from 30cm (wtf) to 15cm
@@robertbarksdale3728 You do not need to play "like a dummy" to get smoked by 3 mediums using the CL LMAO. Once you get into higher ranks you will get absolutely demolished if theres 2 and 3 of them. And there is very little you can do to stay away from mediums that all have movement gadgets or in a game where 80 % of cashouts are in buildings. This is cope or a low rank opinion
Well unlike the pike and model, you don't need to hit your shots with the cl. You just jump spam all day and kill everything. Tbf tho i don't think it was this patch that made it broken, it's just that more people are playing it cuz of the buff and it's annoying af
This and the Pike are destroying the CHONK at the moment 😅 but I am a hammer user so that’s probably why.
And im behind you with shoty and healbeam
@@PhrooberCZ and I’m still getting pooped on!! 🤣 I appreciate a shotty healer 💜
Cl 40 makes me feel like a demoman. This time it explodes on impact the one tf2 doesn't. 😂😂
The splash damage is no good but if you get a direct hit it's savage.
The light killer! I do however, kill myself more than I do others with it😂 splash damage still hurts!
I don’t think it’s too buffed. You can still get wrecked using it
CL40 is not a gun for medic, what makes it nuts is how oppressive it is, you just have to learn the pacing and when to go in and out of battle, and have no fear to hurt yourself with your own grenades as long as you don't fumble and kill yourself.
I personally like it in combination with demat, gas mines and jump pads. The demats allow for popping in and out by surprise, the jump pad lets you go out of view and beam from above the enemies, and the gas mines can be popped with the cl40 at distance and negate whole areas.
It takes some learning and a team that knows how to play around that light-like medium teammate, but in the right hands it can be crazy oppressive and make it really hard to steal a cashout.
Btw you gotta hit them on body to get full dmg will :)
it's within 30 centimetres now for full damage
the issue with the cl40 is that you can miss half your shots but still do enough splash damage to win a teamfight. if you hit dead on its stupid strong. But you have to play around its weaknesses such as taking jump pad and engaging enemies from above. It is hardcountered by aps but that blocks a full gadget slot which not everyone is going to want to do in ranked.
The playstyle of a CL40 is of a shotgun but medium range, rather than the longer engagement time of an assault rifle. Bob in and bob out of cover while running with the CL40.
It actually has a slower ttk on directs than it did last patch against m’s and L’s but now it 3 shots heavys
ranked is filled with pike/cl rn
Long distance shotgun
I've been using the cl40 a lot since the buff and i don't really think it's all that crazy. It can do some good damage (and it's a lot of fun to use) but in most cases an AR is better.
One thing it does excel in is it insta deletes ziplines and shreds turrets.
Positioning is KEY with the CL-40 you gotta stay above the enemy
I think lights die much faster to GL, which is why a lot of people complain. I didnt even know it was buffed until this video. Its a welcome change, because it wasnt good before. This season has a nice even balance to a lot of classes. I think people need to chill and play the object 😅
It is PAINFUL how severely you underestimate the jump pad
With a medium gl try to stay above your opponents and combo with any barrel or pickup especially explosive ones
My gripe with the cl40 is the low splash damage to the person using it. I shouldn't die first if he's shooting at his feet, we should die at the same time
its not that broken tbh. it just forces people to play differently and they don’t like that. The new DMR has the same effect
BigBob145 was me. I didn't know who you were but my team mate did. We went on to win that one. GG
I don't think its overpowered, its just not a fun gun for anyone. 2 mediums start rolling out grenades it gets really messy. Its like playing pinball more than an fps. you can't hear anything, canisters and walls are exploding, random grenades bouncing off walls getting lucky hits, your own mines or enemy mines setting off...wth
i beg to differ, those 2 mediums are definitely having fun with it. i have fun with it. i respect your opinion but its just that. an opinion. every weapon in the game pertains to Someones skill or likeness, so its all useful in perspective. its a destructive fps shooter that requires skill, but more importantly its supposed to be fun. its different than your regular fps though at least we can say that
The AK is borderline unusable against other mediums running the pike
the only buffed the direct hit, not the splash damage afaik
They need to nerf it going against a full team of mediums with it is unplayable especially on certain maps just non stop grenades that or add a maximum ammo for that weapon so that way makes it more of a strategic weapon instead of a spam weapon
I tried running it today and and maybe I just couldn't get the hang of it but it just didn't feel like that good of a weapon.
That being said, I went up against a team with 2 of them and it felt like we couldn't get away
I think when someone isn't used to being killed by something, it stands out a lot more to them when they suddenly start dying to it more often.
It's a type of bias that affects a wide range of people. (also the subreddit is filled with children, so any debate on balance there is usually lacking a full frontal lobe.)
I dont think the CL40 is completely overpowered but I reckon its better than it should be. The entire idea behind the damage increase was to kill heavies in 3 shots to make the lkw ammo less punishing. Imo a slight rework would be appropriate; +1 bullet in the mag, down to 100 damage, max damage radius 15 or 20cm.
I’ve mained this gun in s1 when it was good and still play it off and on. I’ve been enjoying it a lot this season and it’s in a good spot. It doesn’t need any nerfs, I delete myself with it all the time this season on accident when someone pushes me real close it’s hard to not do a ton of self damage. It was better when explosive mines armed instantly so people really shouldn’t be complaining about it.
it is definitely user error. This thing does insane direct damage and the buff led to the splash being a joke. Especially if you have 2 + users
nah double CL-40 is crazyy
It slaps just a little too much lol, especially if there is more then one on one team
i cant speak on game balance, but i can sure as hell tell you its annoying to fight as a light
I hate this gun and the players that spam it non stop all game. It ruins too many gadgets and doesn't do as much damage to the user as the rpg does.
You definitely supposed to use this from a higher elevation to get the most out of it when your level with no cover this weapon is cheeks against anyone with decent aim
try the SH1900 for light if you haven't all ready.
It simultaneously feels balanced and unbalanced. One guy using it, fine. Two or more, especially on powershift? Not possible to play the match
You need the turret and mines
I think that the complaints are coming from power shift since you have to stand on a platform and become an easy target tor GL
The weapon isnt OP, people just get tilted easy and run to reddit to complain. No one wants to change their old strats to avoid the weapon so they die and cry about it.
i know everyone is complaining about it, but the weapon used to suck. I honestly think people need to reconfigure their brains and fight differently than face tanking someone using the weapon. If they nerf it, they might as well take it out of the game because it was practically useless before.
The devs listen to the community , loving season 4.
Its not even bad people are just overreacting way too much. It has a low mag, slow fire rate and reload time, can self inflict damage and doesn't cause high damage unless you hit direct shots with it and is basically very situational. Lights give me way more trouble still than any medium with the CL40 has.
Wait until you encounter 2 or 3 in higher ranks then. It will quickly give you way more problems than any light could
Yea this thing for sure needs a nerf. I cant stand playing against this thing. It's so braindead. People can just sit in a safe spot and jump shot and kill a whole team. It drives me nuts just on an annoyance front
I think this game needs to limit role selection especially in ranked. I like how they buffed this weapon but when ur going up against a team of 2 or 3 of them it’s broken. It used to be the same when turrets were OP and you would go up against a team with 3 of them. I really think this game would benefit from forcing every team to have 1 heavy, 1 medium, and 1 light. But maybe that’s just me.
while i agree as it currently is i think it could be also solved diffently. If you could swap your gadgets after getting wiped you can take stuff to counter these cheesy strats and it starts getting frustrating for them instead. But as it is now you just get ran over by a random 3stack teams that you could not even react to in the role selection because nobody knows what weapons or gadgets they use
@@JeBo-iw6gt This. There needs to be a way to change equipment with AT LEAST your reserve so you can counter cheese strats. I am absolutely flabberghasted by the fact that this is not a thing. Its extremely annoying to know how to counter something but not being able to switch to the weapon that does it
@@JeBo-iw6gt i like that idea. After a team wipe you should be able to swap gadgets. Maybe not abilities, but at least the gadgets would give a better chance to counter other team comps.
I think CL is too strong right now, today I played some games on world tour and all the teams had 2 mediums with CL. the game gets too random and messy, explosions everywhere. I don't think I'm a bad player, I normally play pretty well but with all this AoE damage I have to change the way I play
New season, new you
The finals on fire 🔥
I love playing against this every game as the light class...
Im just havin fun with Famas with an ACOG
Will turn off the in-world crosshair, you'll be doing yourself a huge favor.
Man I played a game with whole team with these we won but it was not an enjoyable game
It needed a buff, it was borderline useless. Glad it's a little better. Any weapon is OP in the right hands, though. Hope they give a lil love to the heavy grenade launcher next!
No, compared to the pike this thing is reasonable
Honestly it just needs some more counters, it’s not exactly busted at all
counters dont really work if you dont know what enemies your matched against. As it is now it is almost pure luck if you counter a team or not
@@JeBo-iw6gt depends on the game mode for sure, not entirely sure how it is in ranked this season yet but your point can apply to every class and all of their weapons as well
@@shallot4991 Its a big problem that you cant change your loadout to react to cheese loadouts like triple CL in ranked. Baffling decision by embark
This season has only 1 gun OP ,pike 556.
A lot weapon is powerful, LMG AR, is good expecially FAMS, AKM and M60, handgun V9S and .50 are good, M1887 is good.
Most of weapon is "playable" like CL40, MGL54, sword, bow and sniper.
If someone say the CL40 is OP, it's definitely a noob, he's aim is so fking bad, can't use the gun effective and just cry for every thing.
Even one team has multiple player playing CL40, it is still easiy to counter whit gun ,just vertical battle jumping to the sky, stand high or use your ability to consume he's ammo.
3 weapon is noob killer, flamethrower, CL40, sword. Maybe Sledge would add in.
And more weapon are trash, so even you want to kill the noob, it's still difficult.
AR is still strong every season and no one care, but Cl40 just update 1 week, all noob just cry eveytime.
Ridiculous.
ranked is flooded with these, makes running Light impossible. So yeah i hate it.
You lost when you picked light
the CL4 has never been OP. its really good on some maps, not enough on others imo.
This thing is sooo cheese. The fact they buffed it this way and double nerfed the rpg reload and damage is lame. Mediums r wild now and I don't like it lol
The problem isn’t one CL40 dude, it’s two to three. The reload is short enough to have an endless barrage of nades, mix it with three defines and heal beams and it’s absolutely broken. Bad take on the CL dude, the APS was nerfed and the CL was buffed with over 25% more damage. What other weapon has had a 25% damage increase? Not to even mention shooting at a 3 stack, you can wipe the entire team in a matter of seconds.
It’s a skillshot that needs to direct hit two-three times to kill with only 4 rounds.
Anything is OP when you have multiple of them.
@@draketurtle4169 You do understand that the RPG does less direct damage than ONE singular round from the CL right? Okay so let’s take the RPG, give it 4 rounds, and a 2.5 second cool down. That’s EXACTLY what the CL is. The fact that the CL is a primary weapon and not a gadget like the RPG makes it even worse. I’m not really sure how you don’t see that. I’m not sure how you could possibly justify a weapon that does more damage than 4 RPGs in a single reload. Again, without even mentioning splash damage.
And anything is not OP just because there’s multiple. Nobody has ever complained about multiple AKs or multiple M11s, that’s nonsense
@@ParzivalNakamura the rpg has basically zero drop and… actually destroys the environment!
You also miss that it’s a pocket “f*ck you” doing 100 dmg at range and destroying whatever you want, it can be an opener, finisher, mixed into a fight.
Also if you want to use a “skilled” weapon… the pike exists and is hitscan.
@@ParzivalNakamura (oh yeah I forgot the 30cm max dmg radius of the CL because the “splash dmg” is sooooooo strong)
@@draketurtle4169 Are we talking about destroying the environment or are we talking about how the weapon is against actual players? Environmental damage is entirely irrelevant. In Embarks own words, they don’t want the RPG to be the fight starter. That’s why they nerfed it. I’m not sure why you brought up all this shit about the RPG and its range and drop. That has nothing to do with the fact that it’s 4x weaker than the CL. Oh no, the CL doesn’t act like a rocket propelled grenade…well duh. What does that have to do with the 25% damage increase. You’re not addressing anything I have said, have a good one.
And I use the Pike bum bum, nobody said anything about the pike. We’re talking about the CL. Landing your shots with a semi auto refile is not the same as spamming grenades on a point lmaoooo.
Just played tonight as well
CL-40 is more balanced now than it ever has been.
Still feels like it needs better reload rate
no offence will but it feels like user error. I've been getting absolutely decimated by the CL40 for the past few days it's insane. As a light I don't even have time to react sometimes before I'm fuckin deleted from the game.
IG the grenade launcher would work on lower skill players with poor movement...
I agree with you completely
what you lot think of the auto shotgun for heavy ?
why will why
CL-40 Must be nerfed !!!!
its good, id put it as similar to the model, huge damage when you play it right, and you get splash damage, but it being a projectile it hard to hit them if they have the high ground or are mid air etc, i think more its that people are annoyed at running into it alot right now but id say thats only going to be temporary, people are just using it cos it got buffed, i can already see less people using it now. i feel if the damage fall off was changed a bit so you do a little less max damage and you can do more damage with a little less accuracy it'd feel more consistent but its fine as it is right now
I hate to give the troll answer, but it actually applies to this case - if you think the cl-40 is op, it's genuinely a skill issue. There are so many counters to it between gadgets, range, positioning...it's a gimmick gun. The fact that reddit is throwing a tantrum about the cl-40 meanwhile the pike is actually dominating right now is insane to me.
Where is your rank
Hey man can you share some of the counters? Genuinly asking, the only ones I can think:
Medium: APS (only effective when there is one CL40, when there is 2 the APS will last seconds)
Heavy: be full health and dont miss your shots
Light: sneak and try to kill him first, that said, splash damage that affects the medium will kill the light first
I dont think there are many options and I’m genuinly trying to find counters.
My current light build uses goo in hopes to block it but only helps to scape, not to counter attack
Again, please help 🥺
Im genuinely shocked by how many ppl think this buff is balanced.
CL literally outclasses EVERY SINGLE GUN in the game right now.
Tell me a single weapon other than shotguns where you even have a chance to win the 1v1 in close combat.
"ThEN dONt fIGhT iN CloSE ComBAt"
"UsE ApS TUrRetS"
Its literally not possible to avoid close quater fights in 80% of the Cashouts and aps works against only 1 CL right now for basically 5 secs then you shall be prepared for hell.
This gun is free Value by just spamming grenades into a general direct. Youre having a weapon that deals as instantly exploding grenades by just shooting into a general direction.
And If you dont see a problem with this yohre either a low elo player where both you and other players are to dum to understand the impact or youre a low elo player thats currently having a field trip with your buddies into high elos/ranked matched since nothing can counter you.
@@niklasdrueke7074 nah mate you're wrong here. The CL can be out classed by almost every play style with tactic alone. If you're a light use your speed and mobility, if you're a medium you should be supporting or with your team so its a 2 v 1 or 3 v 1 or disengage and reengage in a way that is advantageous to you. If you're a heavy you should absolutely be able to use gadgets and health to face tank the damage for the kill. Make the fight unfair. I am a diamond player, I play the best regularly. You won't win every time, they can catch you by surprise, its part of the game. But to call this gun broken and better when it clearly has so many weaknesses you can exploit either means that you are not playing your class well or you are not playing the fight well.
@julio1148 for heavy there are dome shield, barricade and mesh shield or you can close distance with charge and slam or winch to give more disadvantages to cl40 users. For light you have hook and dash to run away.
i play a lot of power shift and whenever i get a match against a stack of cl40 players i cry. i felt like london during ww2, just constant airstrikes from heaven, building collapsing under the constant assault of the mobile tanks. don't even consider stepping o point or you'll be decimated with so many grenades, their concentrated power is comparable to an atomic bomb. the only thing that works is going long range and even then the guided missiles will swiftly use all mode of transportation, i'm talking ropes, gateways, jump pads, FTL flight to get to your last known location and raze it to the ground. in the end they still lose the game but the trauma, pain and anger that i walk away from that game with just shows that they won the war
This game is horrible now. Game believe they buffed the made launcher lmao. Honestly anyone thinking about giving this game a try… don’t the developers are clueless
The only issue I have with the cl40 is the lack of strong self splash damage.
2:40 Yes it's actually insane, I have come across teams of 3 meds with this gun.... That's unplayable
I teamed up with two randoms and we all equipped it for a laugh. We were oppressive 😅
It’s completely OP and rewards a lack of skill in the high elo.
Everyone confused and defending it either use it or aren’t playing in hard enough lobbies
I play in gold lobbies on ranked so far this season was diamond s2 and I’m gold on world tour rn, so I’ve played plenty of games this season and your wrong. The akm with scope is killing way faster especially on heavies, so is the pike and so is the model. Especially against good players. People with 20-30k elims aren’t using this to the same extent as the other medium options
I've played 25+ hours in season 4 both with the CL40 and against it. I think the CL40 needs a slight nerf (Less enviorment destruction and more self harm when using it in close range)
Good try WillfromWirq
So, the problem is this. If you are a medium or a heavy, it is better. You have counterplay, you have options. If you are light, you die in 2 shots. They barely even need to be accurate for it to be affective. It is splash damage, so your damage output can actually be higher than anything else in the game. You don't need to be particularly good at aiming to be good with it. It's a casual players wet dream because they just need to look in their direction and hit somewhere near them. It kills lights in 2 shots, when you have 2 on a team, lights just don't exist. The amount of chaos that ensues through hitting carriables, through the visual explosions, through the damage you are taking despite it being only near you is not fun. When it isn't strong, the niche community that loves it is sad. When it's strong, lights get destroyed by it. Honestly, I think it needs a rework because it is hella annoying to play against no matter what, when it's good it is oppressive, and when it's bad it is worthless.
Best Szn so far!!!
Season 4 is really gd
please dont promote the noob tube!
its so toxic !
No skill garbage it's so annoying
This gun is for people with no actual skills now.
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Will is literally down playing it so they don't nerf it. Follow the script chat lol wink wink
You sound like the commentator from EA fc
It's broken to be fair. All platinum lobbies are maining it
Whichever dev decided to make this a thing should be demoted
Dude only uses akm and wonders why he isn’t as good with other weapons.