Hi Nick and RR fan base, I would like to give a slightly different perspective of the HR400 and share with you why our sailing family thinks it is a great fit for our needs and address Nicks primary concerns as well as couple of his video comments. To start, I want to thank Nick and Terysa for giving us ideas over the years that we occasionally used Including our own version of the RR scoring rubric to assess the boats we were interested in during our most recent purchase. THANK YOU RR. To Nick’s 2 big concerns re the HR400 - First, the teak deck - I could not agree more. We had taken HR off our list for this exact reason but when we learned that this and the HR340 could be ordered without teak decks we added them back on, and as Nick mentioned there is now an option for synthetic teak . The funny thing is, their molded in non-skid is amazing and will be easy to clean. Secondly, Nick asks fairly - who is this boat designed for? Us … We were looking for a long coastal cruiser; with quality construction; fun to sail; and could potentially safely cross a bigger body of water. Think the Baltic, PNW Puget Sound, Alaska and maybe Mexico. But, to be clear, 99% of the time above we sail above 45 degrees north. There will be 2 of us cruising 3-4 months at a time(max) but not likely a whole lot longer. We considered several other very nice boats in 35 to 40’ range and this boat won based on: how well the newer HR designs sail (on all points of sail - not just DDW in the trades), the up front relationship with HR, and quality construction. Again Nick fairly points out that (dead down wind) DDW in the trades this boat may have compromises. I don’t know this, I have not sailed in in the trades winds but have in plenty of lumpy seas off the PNW coast. Can the boat safely do it? Yes. Wide flat aft sections, twin rudders, twin helms: I absolutely love this setup, as it makes a big boat feel responsive, locked in, and simply fun to sail. Clearly this is an ongoing water cooler debate amongst sailors and will not be settled here - if this setup is not for you I get it - different strokes for different folks. Now to address Nicks smaller points that he makes in the video - The Shower- Nick mentions that he prefers a separate shower - So do I - the base boat option has a separate shower with a really nice head in the starboard rear quarter. It’s a great layout and we love an aft head (with separate shower) - its available. V berth size - Nick points out the V berth of the reviewed model appears smallish - again the base model has a bigger nicely sized V berth just not the option Nick reviewed. Starboard settee vs lounge chairs - OK true disagreement here, as I hate the lounge chairs - we went with the standard settee because it will make an excellent sea berth. Really Nick? Lounge chairs are for drinking cognac Beers on me any time. OK - thanks for providing a space to respectfully make a few counter points to Nick’s - Kind regards to all - SV Viento.
Hi Nick and SV Viento. As an HR owner I have to agree with Nick and Viento. I thought you both made very good points in the video and comments section. Although I wanted to dislike where the video was going, I have come to the same conclusion myself over the last few years about some of the latest HR designs. Well done good reviews. 👍
It might have been a good move to ask HR to do an intro to describe the market positioning of this yacht. The hull is the same as the existing 40c and it's that boat that has the single wheel, mainsheet at the end of the boom, optional hard top, differing berth arrangements etc. In other words the more traditional HR. It seems smart to me to have two different models utilising the same hull, particularly at the smaller end of the range where profits are tighter, they're simply broadening its appeal for those who aren't necessarily setting off on extended cruises.
I appreciate your return of sailor experience on this boat. This help me to increasse my non experienced sailor knowledge for my futur sailing project because I plan to buy a second hand Hallberg Rassy.
Of all the reviews I've heard and listened to, this is by far the most practical and insightful presentation of a "coastal cruiser". I appreciated your candidness as well as your justification of your opinions. Your thoughts are very plainly expressed and substantiated by a significant amount of experience. Please, let's hear the same approach to all your reviews. Well done and all the best!
Yes, this boat is not intended for the tropics or blue water but holiday/weekend coastal sailing in the north. The twin wheels make it easier to dock in ports, however if something happens both rudders cease to function. If I'd circumnavigate I'd get either a Kraken 50, Amel 50 or the Garcia aluminium cat or some Dutch custom in aluminium.
Nick thank you for sharing, and thank you for picking up and running with Reviewing the Mono Hull boat scene. I am looking forward to future installments.
Hey Nick, I really appreciate your sustainability philosophy for materials. Spot on! I will mention breaking tradition is like swimming against the current. I was a FIRE FIGHTER, and I was first assigned to a ladder company… think big tool box with wheels, we had horse blankets on it until the late 70’s!! It was tradition, a working item held over from when we had horses pulling the rigs!! Tradition is the hardest nut to crack!!
I'm totally with you on the departure of these traditionally very well respected boat builders who have transitioned away from their roots and moved closer to what the fantastic plastics are producing like Beneteau, Jeanneau, and Bavaria. There's really not that many boat builders left who are producing true blue water boats anymore. Even Oyster has transitioned to the wide beam aft and twin rudder design. Right now you have some very traditional, very small volume boat builders like Pacific Seacraft to buy from and one new comer to the market who prioritizes sailing quality, safety and comfort over boat show aesthetics, and that's Kraken. It's really sad to me that the monohull market has devolved into this, but I suppose that's what these new boat buyers want,...or maybe they don't and they just don't realize it yet.
@@sailingrubyrose Maybe they need to follow the market. Porsche started making SUV's and everyone howled with anger, but it kept the company solvent and they still produce great sports cars. I'm sure HR will keep producing their fabulous ocean going boats
Very good points! I live in Finland and I have sailed in the archipelago. I can tell you that there are a lot of people who buy these kind of boats. It's a shame that they might just sail the Baltic sea but they do have the money for it. This feels to me like a boat to someone who has the money for it and wants to show it off. Like having a Ferrari and being able to drive just 120kph. But in conclusion very good review and I agree with you that teak shouldn't be a thing anymore.
Your honest opinions based on years and knautical of miles is why you bring to reviews what is most important with blue water vessels. Thank you Nick. 😊 this is why we tune in.
I appreciate the thoughtful review. The ending was fantastic. I was also uncomfortable with the extraordinarily wide transom of the 40 and the 400. I ordered the 44 because I felt they kept more traditional lines with this first iteration and didn’t go overboard on that rear end. In addition, the 44 has a much more favorable sail area to displacement ratio in my mind and seems quite sturdy. I plan on sailing her back to the states from Sweden 2024 so we’ll see how she handles herself downwind. Keep up the good work! I really enjoy your channel.
Congratulations on what you two have done with your channel. It was well below average in polish and class before, and now it's well above average. That's an impressive transition to make and so few make it. So again I say congratulations, and job well done!
I completely agree. I can see the baltic sea marinas being full of these from people with money who sail 4 weeks a year on them. Why should HR restrict themselves to only catering to the hard core world cruisers. My general impression is that we see in boating a trend similar to what we have seen in cars. 99% of SUVs never leave the tarmac - but you COULD. Most of these will never make a long passage - but they could.
Thanks for the review, Nick! Disclaimer, I have a HR342 I sail in the great lakes. I would buy a HR 400 if I was going to buy a new 40 ft boat. It is basically a bigger version of my current boat with a wider transom and twin rudders. I like the aft cockpit to offer easier movement and more lounging space. The other main benefit of the twin wheels is that you can walk through the cockpit to get behind either wheel or get to the transom without climbing around a center wheel. You tend to steer from the side of the cockpit. It is not a racing thing, it is for visibilty around the boat and other crew in the cockpit. My 342 has a center wheel and you can reach it from either side, but this is a wider boat, so you'd have a tougher time reaching a center wheel. I like the center cockpit model, the large aft cabin looks amazing, but having to choose between the two, I'd rather cozy into an aft berth and be able to spread out in the cockpit with guests. This "modern hull shape" is obviously controversial but it seems to be successful. It should be faster and nice and stable, even if less comfortable motion is generated. I have not done ocean passages, but I would take my current boat, or a 400 out on a world adventure if I had the ability to do so.
Windpipe, Your 342 is a much different boat than the new 400. You have a great yacht but, the new 340 has more in common with the 400 than the 342. Twin rudders, wider aft section and a more plumb bow, these are just some of the features of the new breed of HR's. I would take a 342,340 or the 400 or 40c to replace my beneteau.
The honesty makes me smile a LOT!! Good for you! You show all of the astounding and outstanding points of the fabled Hallberg-Rassy, yet you bring up the most important points for which the cruising folks look. All in all? Stunning. However, it is the sailboat version of a car show garage princess, which never is driven and is kept looking fabulous.
I agree with your perspective. However, I personally hate small center cockpits. I'm willing to sacrifice some safety while on passage for the marked increase in enjoyment while at anchor. This is an acceptable trade off for me.
I actually agree. This was one reason we were so happy with Ruby Rose, which was a similar design. Huge cockpit (bigger than a 55ft centre cockpit that our friends owned) and lovely aft cabin. Perfect at anchor. Not so perfect while sailing especially offshore. Everything is a compromise.
So refreshing to hear an honest boat review! Kudos for your willingness to speak about a boat's flaws. HR is definitely following the popular, contemporary sailboat designs, which are a big 'turnoff' to me. Another negative aspect of the excessively wide stern is causing the bow to nosedive when heeled. I spoke with the designer of the Passport 545 at the Annapolis show last year, and he said that this design increases the chances of pitchpoling. He was also against twin wheels. Excessively beamy sailboats also get lower 'comfort index' numbers, though hardly anyone talks about that these days. I am also dubious of the dependence on 'pushbutton' sailing for an ocean going yacht. How reliable are these systems, ten, twenty, thirty, years 'down the road'? Seems that a forty foot sailboat shouldn't need this much gadgetry. I suppose that sailboat builders are trying to appeal to new buyers, which means that the boats I really like are a vanishing breed. Island Packet, Outbound, and Passport, and Rustler, are still producing beautiful boats.
I would love to own a Hallberg Rassey 400 sailboat ⛵ suited for the extreme heat and humidity of the tropics. Of all of the sailboats I have looked at this one is the most beautiful with the best options at the most reasonable price. There are several others similar but they aren't as well outfitted, and I wouldn't trust them with my family for world travel. Absolutely agree with the bed, it's pretty tiny, needs at least a queen size, however it does have 2 heads. So I guess the bed is the place they made up space. Then again, there are 3 blueprints, at least one of them has a larger bed option.
Great review .. also a huge Hallberg Rassy fan . Funny how painful it seemed for you to have to find fault with an HR but at least as always you are genuine with your critiques. Nick you have a voice for narration & documentaries!
A genuine review. That’s excellent. Nothing worse than listening to someone paying homage to a boat and boat builder, with ulterior motives. Whatever that might be. Adverts nothing more nor less. This review is honest and understandable, now I can give it some genuine thought. Thank you.
I have a HR40 and I agree on your assessments of the 400. I don't like twin steering wheels and twin rudders. The latter made necessary because of the shape of the stern of the 400.
Agreed 100% about Teak (loved reviving and looking looking after Teak on secondhand boats I've had, though loathe varnish as it seems to seal in and kill timber, then it's a pita to redo. Thatvreally doesn't seem to be a boat to enjoy in the tropics either, where large aft cockpits , bathing platform and shading bimini sun shelters and downpour shelters for that matter, really come into their own. Me, I need a drop down transom bating platform just to get on and off the boat, and twin wheels means a gap you can walk through, to get to the companionway, which for me, has to be gentle sloping and about 4 steps with good handholds, including below to go forward and aft. Centre Cockpits ? Forget them, normally lots of steep steps to go to and from below. Me, I'm pissed off at the painfully shin shining on the way up, and landing on the base of of my spine on steps on my way down, because, sod's law the boat moves just right to catch you going up or down. I'm not a Sailboat Racer, was mildly interested in it once, then Fastnet, and I've been 100% Cruiser ever since have done to almost death, the classic so called Blue Water boats and I'm no longer even interested in considering one any longer. What is the Point ? Cruisers, according to stats, spend around 70% +/- at Anchor right ? If it's Beaufort Force 6 - a Yacht Gale that's called- even Amel, HE'S or whatever owners with any sense Run as fast as they can to get out of the way of it.Thats how it's always been, and that's how it still is, ain't that right? So for a Sensible Cruiser wanting to get to nice anchorages in nice places with nice weather, perhaps it's past time we used the yardstick of only sailing at 80% of what Sails, rigging, etc can take , to start redefining what a Blue Water Cruiser really is, because bluntly, there's a pretty large selection of Rear Cockpit Production Boats that every day, thousands of them are in use, confirming that they're up to the job.
Great video! I think the 400 is more for Nordic/ Canadian / High lat sailing in comfort (out side of arctic circle) rather then trade wind sailing, reviews of the 40c with a "similar" hull said it performed well, maybe you can ask HR for a sail test? :D Fully agree with teak deck... time to move on.
Different strokes for different folks. Some (most) people buy Range Rovers and never use them for their true purpose. Similarly, some wealthy people will buy the HR brand and use it for a few weeks of the year. Good for them. There is a market for their high end needs.
At the last of our yearly pilgrimage to Dusseldorf Boat Show (just pre-pandemic) I told my wife: "Contrary to today's norm, Hallberg-Rassy manages to build boats that look smaller on the inside than from the outside". Ratio tends to only get better starting from the high 40ft. 1. 400 is for Nordic countries only. 2. Transom issue solved. See point 1. - Not much trade/downwind sailing, so vertical transom irrelevant. 3. Teak deck is just because you can afford the price and you want to show it. That being said, they are fabulously built and drop-dead beautiful boats that will still be gorgeous 50 years from now. (PS: all their over 50ft boats are stratospherically sublime for world cruising)
I totally agree with your assessment of this model. It's a design looking for a coastal cruiser with a lot of money to spend and a large ego..."I have a Rassy".
There is no question about the quality of the Hallberg Rassy's but I can't find a way to like their design (cockpit and interior). The finishing quality is certainly amazing though. Totally agree about the teak deck.
Best review ever! I'm annoyed of how condescendent (in general) all tours are, although in front of obvious issues. HR are beautifully built and pleases the eye, but I agree with the lack of a clear purpose. And they would be quite warm here in Brazil...
Dis you have a bad day when you did this? Having sailed in Scandinavian waters for 50 years+, I can say that the solidity of an HR400 would be fantastic to have in any kind of Nordic sailing season, or year-round sailing for that matter. Poor in down-wind conditions, you say? Well long down-wind passages don't occur that often. The size is pretty much perfect for Scandinavian archipelagos and ports, with respect to length, beam, draft and mast height. Twin wheels make it tons easier to enter/exit the cockpit when moored or in a berth stern to. Who would buy such a boat, you ask? The northern European boating market is pretty substantial, and this has been the home waters and home market for HR for decades. They probably understand it and the competition better than most. After all, it is a select few who are privileged to go blue water cruising. Who needs a dishwasher, you ask? Well - it is a luxury yacht. If you have the money, why not? I mean, who needs a Rolls Royce or a Maserati?
I agree with you about the teak as you only destroy forests to have teak plantations as for palm oil plantations, with the synthetic teak used today on the other hand you create a lot of micro plastic which enter the ocean from your deck, so a no go as well. The yacht itself might be good if you’re a day or weekend sailor but not for a live aboard. Live aboard I would chose the 44 or maximum the 50. Ciao Patrik
I'm conflicted. As a mostly armchair sailor I suppose I have no right to to enter this discussion... but.... I would like to ask a few questions. First, what made the so called "blue water cruiser" the gold standard of all sail boats and why? Is there something different to "blue" water than the stuff you get in the North Sea? Isn't cruising round the Caribbean or the Med just "coastal cruising" around somebody else's coast? Is there a lot more danger when there are 100 m below the keel than when there is 10? Has a Beneteau or similar ever sailed across the Atlantic or are they always shipped by container to boat shows etc. since they can't possibly sail out of sight of land? What I am really trying to get at is, aren't you starting to look at everything through your own specific lens. Your expression of honest conviction does you credit but I think you are in danger of starting to judge every boat, based on your idea of what the perfect vessel is. And if that is the case perhaps we should all be buying replicas of Tally Ho which I have deemed the best boat ever built. Perhaps HR are just responding to what the buying public are telling them they want. I do agree with Nick that the boating world needs to take a long hard look at their footprint re the environment and teak decks is a good place to start.
I love analysis and honesty. I'm curious to how the bulkheads are attached to the hull in the '22 Rassy. Are they fiberglassed in, or are they put in with putty?
Nice review, and I do agree with you that the purpose of the design and model is unsure. Would be interesting to see your opening on the 40C that is seem to have a clearer purpose.
Right or Wrong Nick. Nobody can accuse you of pulling your punches and that is so refreshing, I wonder if you're still on their Christmas card list ? Stay Safe & Fair Winds !!
I quite agree with your points. I have been a huge fan of Hallberg-Rassy for basically all my life, and as a Scandinavian, I've seen a few and even had the pleasure of being on some. But with the new models, I have had the same reaction. What are they for? They aren't coastal/baltic cruisers (too "strong") but they clearly aren't full on blue water cruisers either. For the reasons you specified. I can still get the design choices that aren't fully fit for the Carribean (that's not really the weather we have =) ), but not the clashes of choices on all over build, hull design, etc. On the other hand.... for the time being I am not the target audience, at least not income based demographic, so my dislikes are somewhat academic =) If I was ever to get a H-R, it would be a clearly older boat =)
I believe the problem is what manufacturers think they have to put into a boat because the market expects certain things in a boat. Now when I say the market the problem as I see it the market in my opinion has become a group of people who think anyone can just set off and sail around anywhere in the world and take their "apartment" with them. Where I live in Australia I can see a change in who is boating. Real boating knowledge , correct terminology are going out the window. I am sure you know exactly what I mean Nick.
Scolding the boat entirely because of it's sailing performance, and not even trying to sail it seems a bit disingenuous. In fact, I would argue one can't make a review without sailing it and having lived in it. It's just speculation otherwise. One can make a showcase of the boat, and point out potential issues one might see with hull-shape for example. But please leave the conclusions for someone who actually have sailed it. Also, as for who it is for, it is for example perfect for the Swedish archipelagos. It can sail to wherever, but it is primarily meant to exist for living in it. And in the Swedish and Finnish Archipelago, one usually travels between remote islands. Only needing to stop at ports to fill up on food and perhaps fuel. So in that case living space and endurance is what one wants. The Sacndinavian customers probably wont use dishwashers at it uses to much water and power, but it's always good as an option. Washingmachine might be useful for a family on a long cruise who stops at port every few days. In short, I think HRs boats are perfect for families or groups of people who enjoy cruising and living in the boat. If the primary use-case us off-shore then there might be other options that are better
I agree about the arm chairs in the saloon, they look much more cozy than the satee. But then, I am just an arm-chair expert :). For blue water cruises, the 40C should be the boat, it also has a large aft-cabin with what looks like a very comfortable bed. For long blue water cruises, you wouldn't need more than 2 cabins anyway, with 40feet, you probably only want to have an occasional guest . What is the 400 for? As others have commented here too, I see it as a "sporty" alternative for those, who don't live abord the boat but keep it close to their home for weekend and short vacation trips. The baltic or the north see, perhaps the mediterranean. You wouldn't need more cabin comfort other than a nice saloon and would be more likely to have more guests. For a night or two, the 3 cabins on the 400 probably would work and I guess you don't want to stay very long on a 40' boat with 6 people. But for the larger cockpit would be very welcome - for an evening, you might even want to entertain more people. As far as 40' mono hulls go, this would be a reasonable configuration. Again, I am just an arm-chair expert! I also agree with your critique of the teak deck, but it is quite a tradition with HR, so if they wouldn't sell teak decks, who would? It is great to hear, that they now offer an alternative. This should mean less maintenance and drive down the price of the boat a bit. That might make the HR an even more interesting alternative in the market. And finally, there is the environment to consider, tropical woods are always a difficult subject though I fully trust HR to responsibly source it. In that context I find it interesting that they offer other woods, like oak, as an alternative for the interior. This gives the interior a much brighter and more modern look. Magnus Rassey mentioned in an interview, that the oak is by far the more popular choice in their recent boats. It would be interesting, if you could review other HRs, especially the 40C in comparison. And of course the new 50, which in my eyes is the dream HR, not sure if the larger models add so much from there on. As others wrote, check out the survey and the discussion by Uma about boat designs in that size range.
HI- Great Review and thoughtful perspective. Question; you mentioned flat transom and roll - can you explain this in more detail - I'm genuinely curious.
You need to see his review of the sailing trimaran, Neel 45 or 50 or whatever it was… fair, criticism based on justified items, and less than thrilled with the boat.
Looks like it's meant to be a high end coastal cruiser, not a blue water cruiser. As a coastal cruiser meets my needs, I would definitely not turn this out out of my slip.
I think all Rassy boats you don't have a choice it is only built with teak decks.Most people don't cruise the world so the wide stern is acceptable to get greater interior room.I have a Cabo Rico 38 and I agree with everything you said about this review.But the Rassy boats are built so well.
Many comments re HR teak decks. To be clear this and other models CAN be ordered WITHOUT teak. This is newish for HR and I’m not certain which models but I know for certain this model HR400 is absolutely available without teak. HR is now also offering a synthetic Teak option.
2 years ago I visited the HR 440 and I came up with very similar conclusions like you, but additionally with 190 cm (not an abnormal scandinavian size) I felt incredibly cramped down below and not having enough headroom in the galley and the master cabin. Additionally the technical room was very nice, but no chance for me even the get myself through the door. All in all a great boat for the north sea but as a lifeaboard in lower latitudes not suitable. Just following on the keel design for the last 20 years and then it becomes obvious that circumnavigation is not their main focus in boat building anymore.
Ageee with you 100% on this. We are on a HR46 (@sailing skyward) and love it! I would never want twin wheels and flat transom. Those small portholes are definitely going to be choking air flow.
Defenatly a costal cruiser Very beautiful and very expensive costal crises. Great review. It's difficult To find someone pointing the negatives on a boat review. Ir you can, please review the Sirius yacht. O would love To know your opinion on a Sirius 35 or 40
Nick did do a quick review of their Sirius boats back in 2019ish at the Düsseldorf show. Very similar to this review he was critical as boats did not seem as good as his previous.
100% agreed. Went to the Annapolis boat show last year and it was amazing the number of monohulls with an "identity crisis." While the HR 400 I'm sure is more than capable of crossing oceans, the designers clearly tried to fit too many potential customer-types into one hull. It's like Porshe making an SUV. Just NO!
I think you have the answer; "Porsche sales with growth in the USA up by almost a quarter. China, the USA, and Germany were the largest market for Porsche in 2021. The top-selling Porsche models were the Macan, Cayenne, Taycan, and 911", note the first 2 are both SUVs. Market forces.
Admittedly I have a soft spot for HR since my wife is Swedish and the factory in Ellös is only a few miles from her parents home. We strongly consider the new 50 and toured the factory, it’s sort of like a work of art and the quality is top notch…but it seems like you are stepping back in time when you get aboard. I wanted to love it, but in the end, there’s just no comparison once you spend some time aboard a performance oriented catamaran.
Ahhh yes. We had shortlisted HR when we were looking for a replacement for RR, but once you start to consider catamarans it’s hard to go back…. (And Nick flat out refused because of the teak anyway!)
Love your candour and challenge to the manufacturers. I’d hate a hot deck. I’d hate extra maintenance. Function over cosmetics. I’m learning a lot through your videos. Thanks.
Correct, as of a few weeks ago, and we filmed this several months ago. Glad to see they agree the teak isn’t a good choice and are giving customers a more sustainable option.
Agree on deck. I thought twin helms made for easier on/off in Med type moorings. Inside, stunning, but as live aboard for this 192cm, no. Open up the forward cabin area. Move dunny/shower to rear if required or reduce lounge on one side. Remove on rear birth for storage and yes starting to come close on that aspect.
Absolutely agree. No teak on the deck. I can’t imagine why anyone would want that type of upkeep. And other reasons you mentioned! I like the looks, sure but I didn’t like the amount of work the teak hand rails were! I can’t imagine the work required to maintain a deck.
I have to agree with you about this finely made boat. Nice to look at but too many deficiencies to being practical. The main Master suite with that small bed just is not workable (6'4" of height) to me.
Good review but the videography was more into showing detailing and not the whole boat. Couldn't feel it as everything was zoomed in. Try taking wide angle normal shots.
I haven’t watched all of your back catalogue so you may have covered this. I would love to hear your thoughts on what would be a good blue water 35 foot ish from the 70/80s I am counting on spending less than 40k including refit for a full time cruiser for two. Med and maybe Atlantic crossing.
When I look at that boat it look's like a coastal cruising live-a-board boat, that if you wanted to do a long passage in safety you could. A rich person's retirement condo IMHO.
It is refreshing to hear an honest and balanced review of a boat. So rare in the world of yachts.
It's his honest review and his opinion. 👋
Hi Nick and RR fan base, I would like to give a slightly different perspective of the HR400 and share with you why our sailing family thinks it is a great fit for our needs and address Nicks primary concerns as well as couple of his video comments. To start, I want to thank Nick and Terysa for giving us ideas over the years that we occasionally used Including our own version of the RR scoring rubric to assess the boats we were interested in during our most recent purchase. THANK YOU RR.
To Nick’s 2 big concerns re the HR400 - First, the teak deck - I could not agree more. We had taken HR off our list for this exact reason but when we learned that this and the HR340 could be ordered without teak decks we added them back on, and as Nick mentioned there is now an option for synthetic teak . The funny thing is, their molded in non-skid is amazing and will be easy to clean. Secondly, Nick asks fairly - who is this boat designed for? Us … We were looking for a long coastal cruiser; with quality construction; fun to sail; and could potentially safely cross a bigger body of water. Think the Baltic, PNW Puget Sound, Alaska and maybe Mexico. But, to be clear, 99% of the time above we sail above 45 degrees north. There will be 2 of us cruising 3-4 months at a time(max) but not likely a whole lot longer. We considered several other very nice boats in 35 to 40’ range and this boat won based on: how well the newer HR designs sail (on all points of sail - not just DDW in the trades), the up front relationship with HR, and quality construction. Again Nick fairly points out that (dead down wind) DDW in the trades this boat may have compromises. I don’t know this, I have not sailed in in the trades winds but have in plenty of lumpy seas off the PNW coast. Can the boat safely do it? Yes. Wide flat aft sections, twin rudders, twin helms: I absolutely love this setup, as it makes a big boat feel responsive, locked in, and simply fun to sail. Clearly this is an ongoing water cooler debate amongst sailors and will not be settled here - if this setup is not for you I get it - different strokes for different folks.
Now to address Nicks smaller points that he makes in the video - The Shower- Nick mentions that he prefers a separate shower - So do I - the base boat option has a separate shower with a really nice head in the starboard rear quarter. It’s a great layout and we love an aft head (with separate shower) - its available. V berth size - Nick points out the V berth of the reviewed model appears smallish - again the base model has a bigger nicely sized V berth just not the option Nick reviewed. Starboard settee vs lounge chairs - OK true disagreement here, as I hate the lounge chairs - we went with the standard settee because it will make an excellent sea berth. Really Nick? Lounge chairs are for drinking cognac Beers on me any time.
OK - thanks for providing a space to respectfully make a few counter points to Nick’s - Kind regards to all - SV Viento.
There’s only one thing I love more than the boating community and that’s a respectful debate about boats. 👍👍
Hi Nick and SV Viento.
As an HR owner I have to agree with Nick and Viento. I thought you both made very good points in the video and comments section. Although I wanted to dislike where the video was going, I have come to the same conclusion myself over the last few years about some of the latest HR designs. Well done good reviews. 👍
It might have been a good move to ask HR to do an intro to describe the market positioning of this yacht. The hull is the same as the existing 40c and it's that boat that has the single wheel, mainsheet at the end of the boom, optional hard top, differing berth arrangements etc. In other words the more traditional HR. It seems smart to me to have two different models utilising the same hull, particularly at the smaller end of the range where profits are tighter, they're simply broadening its appeal for those who aren't necessarily setting off on extended cruises.
I appreciate your return of sailor experience on this boat. This help me to increasse my non experienced sailor knowledge for my futur sailing project because I plan to buy a second hand Hallberg Rassy.
Of all the reviews I've heard and listened to, this is by far the most practical and insightful presentation of a "coastal cruiser". I appreciated your candidness as well as your justification of your opinions. Your thoughts are very plainly expressed and substantiated by a significant amount of experience. Please, let's hear the same approach to all your reviews. Well done and all the best!
Thank you so much. More reviews to come.
Susan & Tony here, Wow what a review , did not expect that. But vary honest and much of what we thought about this beautiful boat.
Yes, this boat is not intended for the tropics or blue water but holiday/weekend coastal sailing in the north. The twin wheels make it easier to dock in ports, however if something happens both rudders cease to function. If I'd circumnavigate I'd get either a Kraken 50, Amel 50 or the Garcia aluminium cat or some Dutch custom in aluminium.
Reviewing sail performance without ever having sailed the boat? Am I taking crazy pills? This is where TH-cam sailing reviews are at?
Im a HR fan but prefer the older designs.....your candid honesty however is appreciated
We also love the older designs. I think that’s why we were so disappointed.
Nick thank you for sharing, and thank you for picking up and running with Reviewing the Mono Hull boat scene. I am looking forward to future installments.
Hey Nick, I really appreciate your sustainability philosophy for materials. Spot on! I will mention breaking tradition is like swimming against the current. I was a FIRE FIGHTER, and I was first assigned to a ladder company… think big tool box with wheels, we had horse blankets on it until the late 70’s!! It was tradition, a working item held over from when we had horses pulling the rigs!! Tradition is the hardest nut to crack!!
I'm totally with you on the departure of these traditionally very well respected boat builders who have transitioned away from their roots and moved closer to what the fantastic plastics are producing like Beneteau, Jeanneau, and Bavaria. There's really not that many boat builders left who are producing true blue water boats anymore. Even Oyster has transitioned to the wide beam aft and twin rudder design. Right now you have some very traditional, very small volume boat builders like Pacific Seacraft to buy from and one new comer to the market who prioritizes sailing quality, safety and comfort over boat show aesthetics, and that's Kraken.
It's really sad to me that the monohull market has devolved into this, but I suppose that's what these new boat buyers want,...or maybe they don't and they just don't realize it yet.
Yeah agreed with everything you said.
@@sailingrubyrose Maybe they need to follow the market. Porsche started making SUV's and everyone howled with anger, but it kept the company solvent and they still produce great sports cars. I'm sure HR will keep producing their fabulous ocean going boats
Very good points! I live in Finland and I have sailed in the archipelago. I can tell you that there are a lot of people who buy these kind of boats. It's a shame that they might just sail the Baltic sea but they do have the money for it. This feels to me like a boat to someone who has the money for it and wants to show it off. Like having a Ferrari and being able to drive just 120kph. But in conclusion very good review and I agree with you that teak shouldn't be a thing anymore.
Your honest opinions based on years and knautical of miles is why you bring to reviews what is most important with blue water vessels. Thank you Nick. 😊 this is why we tune in.
Glad you like them!
I appreciate the thoughtful review. The ending was fantastic. I was also uncomfortable with the extraordinarily wide transom of the 40 and the 400. I ordered the 44 because I felt they kept more traditional lines with this first iteration and didn’t go overboard on that rear end. In addition, the 44 has a much more favorable sail area to displacement ratio in my mind and seems quite sturdy. I plan on sailing her back to the states from Sweden 2024 so we’ll see how she handles herself downwind. Keep up the good work! I really enjoy your channel.
I look forward to watching a “sailing my HR 44 from Sweden back to the states-video” Good luck and safe journey.
Thank you, for that teak story. I wholeheartedly support this statement.
Congratulations on what you two have done with your channel. It was well below average in polish and class before, and now it's well above average. That's an impressive transition to make and so few make it. So again I say congratulations, and job well done!
i will be glad when Ruby rose is complete and your sailing life begins
Love HR and you make some good points but I think it’s a gorgeous boat for coastal cruising with the option to do more.
No doubt it is a beautiful boat and very capable. But agree this is a coastal cruiser, not bluewater
I completely agree. I can see the baltic sea marinas being full of these from people with money who sail 4 weeks a year on them. Why should HR restrict themselves to only catering to the hard core world cruisers. My general impression is that we see in boating a trend similar to what we have seen in cars. 99% of SUVs never leave the tarmac - but you COULD. Most of these will never make a long passage - but they could.
Love, respect, and look forward to your honest opinions. Can't wait for your review of the 57'.
Thanks for the review, Nick! Disclaimer, I have a HR342 I sail in the great lakes. I would buy a HR 400 if I was going to buy a new 40 ft boat. It is basically a bigger version of my current boat with a wider transom and twin rudders. I like the aft cockpit to offer easier movement and more lounging space. The other main benefit of the twin wheels is that you can walk through the cockpit to get behind either wheel or get to the transom without climbing around a center wheel. You tend to steer from the side of the cockpit. It is not a racing thing, it is for visibilty around the boat and other crew in the cockpit. My 342 has a center wheel and you can reach it from either side, but this is a wider boat, so you'd have a tougher time reaching a center wheel. I like the center cockpit model, the large aft cabin looks amazing, but having to choose between the two, I'd rather cozy into an aft berth and be able to spread out in the cockpit with guests. This "modern hull shape" is obviously controversial but it seems to be successful. It should be faster and nice and stable, even if less comfortable motion is generated. I have not done ocean passages, but I would take my current boat, or a 400 out on a world adventure if I had the ability to do so.
Windpipe, Your 342 is a much different boat than the new 400. You have a great yacht but, the new 340 has more in common with the 400 than the 342. Twin rudders, wider aft section and a more plumb bow, these are just some of the features of the new breed of HR's. I would take a 342,340 or the 400 or 40c to replace my beneteau.
Thank you for your honesty. The boat is beautiful but I agree, who is it for? And right on in the teak. Thank you!
Totally agree with you. These boats need to bet built with the same philosophy as the boats used in the GGR.
Superior review. Please keep doing this for many years!
Okay then 😊
The honesty makes me smile a LOT!!
Good for you! You show all of the astounding and outstanding points of the fabled Hallberg-Rassy, yet you bring up the most important points for which the cruising folks look.
All in all? Stunning. However, it is the sailboat version of a car show garage princess, which never is driven and is kept looking fabulous.
I agree with your perspective. However, I personally hate small center cockpits. I'm willing to sacrifice some safety while on passage for the marked increase in enjoyment while at anchor. This is an acceptable trade off for me.
I actually agree. This was one reason we were so happy with Ruby Rose, which was a similar design. Huge cockpit (bigger than a 55ft centre cockpit that our friends owned) and lovely aft cabin. Perfect at anchor. Not so perfect while sailing especially offshore. Everything is a compromise.
100% agreed on teak and twin wheels.
Absolutely spot on, neither fish nor fowl! Your reviews are very informed and insightful 👍
Appreciate the honesty and real world application. Why I subscribed a long time ago.
Spirit Yachts is using a more sustainable wood for their visible deck planks. Less heat soak on sunny days than teak.
You always make factual points!
they may see the market changing. A strong boat for coastal cruising, with all the creature comforts of home.
So refreshing to hear an honest boat review! Kudos for your willingness to speak about a boat's flaws.
HR is definitely following the popular, contemporary sailboat designs, which are a big 'turnoff' to me. Another negative aspect of the excessively wide stern is causing the bow to nosedive when heeled. I spoke with the designer of the Passport 545 at the Annapolis show last year, and he said that this design increases the chances of pitchpoling. He was also against twin wheels. Excessively beamy sailboats also get lower 'comfort index' numbers, though hardly anyone talks about that these days.
I am also dubious of the dependence on 'pushbutton' sailing for an ocean going yacht. How reliable are these systems, ten, twenty, thirty, years 'down the road'? Seems that a forty foot sailboat shouldn't need this much gadgetry.
I suppose that sailboat builders are trying to appeal to new buyers, which means that the boats I really like are a vanishing breed. Island Packet, Outbound, and Passport, and Rustler, are still producing beautiful boats.
I would love to own a Hallberg Rassey 400 sailboat ⛵ suited for the extreme heat and humidity of the tropics. Of all of the sailboats I have looked at this one is the most beautiful with the best options at the most reasonable price. There are several others similar but they aren't as well outfitted, and I wouldn't trust them with my family for world travel. Absolutely agree with the bed, it's pretty tiny, needs at least a queen size, however it does have 2 heads. So I guess the bed is the place they made up space. Then again, there are 3 blueprints, at least one of them has a larger bed option.
Completely agree with your comments!
Great review .. also a huge Hallberg Rassy fan . Funny how painful it seemed for you to have to find fault with an HR but at least as always you are genuine with your critiques. Nick you have a voice for narration & documentaries!
Twin wheels for 40’ monohull is for the birds, it takes up too much room in the cockpit.
A tiller stick is much more practical.
A genuine review. That’s excellent. Nothing worse than listening to someone paying homage to a boat and boat builder, with ulterior motives. Whatever that might be. Adverts nothing more nor less. This review is honest and understandable, now I can give it some genuine thought. Thank you.
I have a HR40 and I agree on your assessments of the 400. I don't like twin steering wheels and twin rudders. The latter made necessary because of the shape of the stern of the 400.
I'm with you nick not sure what it's purpose is great review keep up the great work
Agreed 100% about Teak (loved reviving and looking looking after Teak on secondhand boats I've had, though loathe varnish as it seems to seal in and kill timber, then it's a pita to redo. Thatvreally doesn't seem to be a boat to enjoy in the tropics either, where large aft cockpits , bathing platform and shading bimini sun shelters and downpour shelters for that matter, really come into their own. Me, I need a drop down transom bating platform just to get on and off the boat, and twin wheels means a gap you can walk through, to get to the companionway, which for me, has to be gentle sloping and about 4 steps with good handholds, including below to go forward and aft. Centre Cockpits ? Forget them, normally lots of steep steps to go to and from below. Me, I'm pissed off at the painfully shin shining on the way up, and landing on the base of of my spine on steps on my way down, because, sod's law the boat moves just right to catch you going up or down. I'm not a Sailboat Racer, was mildly interested in it once, then Fastnet, and I've been 100% Cruiser ever since have done to almost death, the classic so called Blue Water boats and I'm no longer even interested in considering one any longer. What is the Point ? Cruisers, according to stats, spend around 70% +/- at Anchor right ? If it's Beaufort Force 6 - a Yacht Gale that's called- even Amel, HE'S or whatever owners with any sense Run as fast as they can to get out of the way of it.Thats how it's always been, and that's how it still is, ain't that right? So for a Sensible Cruiser wanting to get to nice anchorages in nice places with nice weather, perhaps it's past time we used the yardstick of only sailing at 80% of what Sails, rigging, etc can take , to start redefining what a Blue Water Cruiser really is, because bluntly, there's a pretty large selection of Rear Cockpit Production Boats that every day, thousands of them are in use, confirming that they're up to the job.
Great video! I think the 400 is more for Nordic/ Canadian / High lat sailing in comfort (out side of arctic circle) rather then trade wind sailing, reviews of the 40c with a "similar" hull said it performed well, maybe you can ask HR for a sail test? :D Fully agree with teak deck... time to move on.
Yes the 40c is a good alternative for those wanting a centre cockpit in a 40ft boat.
A sale test would be most interesting.
Thanks for the honest review. I would love to see a review of the 340 HR, since this is way cheaper and more in my price range. Thanks a lot!
Different strokes for different folks. Some (most) people buy Range Rovers and never use them for their true purpose. Similarly, some wealthy people will buy the HR brand and use it for a few weeks of the year. Good for them. There is a market for their high end needs.
At the last of our yearly pilgrimage to Dusseldorf Boat Show (just pre-pandemic) I told my wife:
"Contrary to today's norm, Hallberg-Rassy manages to build boats that look smaller on the inside than from the outside".
Ratio tends to only get better starting from the high 40ft.
1. 400 is for Nordic countries only.
2. Transom issue solved. See point 1. - Not much trade/downwind sailing, so vertical transom irrelevant.
3. Teak deck is just because you can afford the price and you want to show it.
That being said, they are fabulously built and drop-dead beautiful boats that will still be gorgeous 50 years from now.
(PS: all their over 50ft boats are stratospherically sublime for world cruising)
Oh yeah. Review of the 57 coming out soon.
I totally agree with your assessment of this model. It's a design looking for a coastal cruiser with a lot of money to spend and a large ego..."I have a Rassy".
There is no question about the quality of the Hallberg Rassy's but I can't find a way to like their design (cockpit and interior). The finishing quality is certainly amazing though. Totally agree about the teak deck.
Best review ever! I'm annoyed of how condescendent (in general) all tours are, although in front of obvious issues. HR are beautifully built and pleases the eye, but I agree with the lack of a clear purpose. And they would be quite warm here in Brazil...
Nice boat. But, I think you nailed it on this one.
Dis you have a bad day when you did this? Having sailed in Scandinavian waters for 50 years+, I can say that the solidity of an HR400 would be fantastic to have in any kind of Nordic sailing season, or year-round sailing for that matter. Poor in down-wind conditions, you say? Well long down-wind passages don't occur that often. The size is pretty much perfect for Scandinavian archipelagos and ports, with respect to length, beam, draft and mast height. Twin wheels make it tons easier to enter/exit the cockpit when moored or in a berth stern to. Who would buy such a boat, you ask? The northern European boating market is pretty substantial, and this has been the home waters and home market for HR for decades. They probably understand it and the competition better than most. After all, it is a select few who are privileged to go blue water cruising. Who needs a dishwasher, you ask? Well - it is a luxury yacht. If you have the money, why not? I mean, who needs a Rolls Royce or a Maserati?
I agree with you about the teak as you only destroy forests to have teak plantations as for palm oil plantations, with the synthetic teak used today on the other hand you create a lot of micro plastic which enter the ocean from your deck, so a no go as well. The yacht itself might be good if you’re a day or weekend sailor but not for a live aboard.
Live aboard I would chose the 44 or maximum the 50. Ciao Patrik
I'm conflicted. As a mostly armchair sailor I suppose I have no right to to enter this discussion... but.... I would like to ask a few questions.
First, what made the so called "blue water cruiser" the gold standard of all sail boats and why? Is there something different to "blue" water than the stuff you get in the North Sea? Isn't cruising round the Caribbean or the Med just "coastal cruising" around somebody else's coast? Is there a lot more danger when there are 100 m below the keel than when there is 10? Has a Beneteau or similar ever sailed across the Atlantic or are they always shipped by container to boat shows etc. since they can't possibly sail out of sight of land?
What I am really trying to get at is, aren't you starting to look at everything through your own specific lens. Your expression of honest conviction does you credit but I think you are in danger of starting to judge every boat, based on your idea of what the perfect vessel is. And if that is the case perhaps we should all be buying replicas of Tally Ho which I have deemed the best boat ever built.
Perhaps HR are just responding to what the buying public are telling them they want.
I do agree with Nick that the boating world needs to take a long hard look at their footprint re the environment and teak decks is a good place to start.
Agreed, strange boat that doesn't really know what niche it fills. Better options for everything it tries to do.
Great Video! What modern 40ft boat would you consider a great bluewater cruiser boat?
Rustler 42
I enjoyed your honest review.
I love analysis and honesty. I'm curious to how the bulkheads are attached to the hull in the '22 Rassy. Are they fiberglassed in, or are they put in with putty?
totally agree with you!
Very good analysis!
Honesty.... Thank you !
Nice review, and I do agree with you that the purpose of the design and model is unsure. Would be interesting to see your opening on the 40C that is seem to have a clearer purpose.
Well articulated opinions. Thankyou
Right or Wrong Nick. Nobody can accuse you of pulling your punches and that is so refreshing, I wonder if you're still on their Christmas card list ? Stay Safe & Fair Winds !!
friend-what a unreal sharing,have agood day. )
I will never own a boat with teak decks. I want to sail not clean, treat wood. It’s archaic and wasteful. Thanks for pointing this out. Great review.
This boat and all new HRs are available without teak. This boat in particular can be had with amazing non slip as well as Synthetic teak. Your choice.
Do the Allures 45.9! Your opinion is always a new look. Always think the new HR under 50 feet are weekend boats, not a travel the world one
Thanks for honest toughts.
I quite agree with your points. I have been a huge fan of Hallberg-Rassy for basically all my life, and as a Scandinavian, I've seen a few and even had the pleasure of being on some. But with the new models, I have had the same reaction. What are they for? They aren't coastal/baltic cruisers (too "strong") but they clearly aren't full on blue water cruisers either. For the reasons you specified. I can still get the design choices that aren't fully fit for the Carribean (that's not really the weather we have =) ), but not the clashes of choices on all over build, hull design, etc.
On the other hand.... for the time being I am not the target audience, at least not income based demographic, so my dislikes are somewhat academic =) If I was ever to get a H-R, it would be a clearly older boat =)
I agree on the teak issue but I would need to see how she handles .
I believe the problem is what manufacturers think they have to put into a boat because the market expects certain things in a boat. Now when I say the market the problem as I see it the market in my opinion has become a group of people who think anyone can just set off and sail around anywhere in the world and take their "apartment" with them. Where I live in Australia I can see a change in who is boating. Real boating knowledge , correct terminology are going out the window. I am sure you know exactly what I mean Nick.
Scolding the boat entirely because of it's sailing performance, and not even trying to sail it seems a bit disingenuous.
In fact, I would argue one can't make a review without sailing it and having lived in it. It's just speculation otherwise.
One can make a showcase of the boat, and point out potential issues one might see with hull-shape for example. But please leave the conclusions for someone who actually have sailed it.
Also, as for who it is for, it is for example perfect for the Swedish archipelagos. It can sail to wherever, but it is primarily meant to exist for living in it. And in the Swedish and Finnish Archipelago, one usually travels between remote islands. Only needing to stop at ports to fill up on food and perhaps fuel. So in that case living space and endurance is what one wants.
The Sacndinavian customers probably wont use dishwashers at it uses to much water and power, but it's always good as an option. Washingmachine might be useful for a family on a long cruise who stops at port every few days.
In short, I think HRs boats are perfect for families or groups of people who enjoy cruising and living in the boat. If the primary use-case us off-shore then there might be other options that are better
I agree about the arm chairs in the saloon, they look much more cozy than the satee. But then, I am just an arm-chair expert :). For blue water cruises, the 40C should be the boat, it also has a large aft-cabin with what looks like a very comfortable bed. For long blue water cruises, you wouldn't need more than 2 cabins anyway, with 40feet, you probably only want to have an occasional guest .
What is the 400 for? As others have commented here too, I see it as a "sporty" alternative for those, who don't live abord the boat but keep it close to their home for weekend and short vacation trips. The baltic or the north see, perhaps the mediterranean. You wouldn't need more cabin comfort other than a nice saloon and would be more likely to have more guests. For a night or two, the 3 cabins on the 400 probably would work and I guess you don't want to stay very long on a 40' boat with 6 people. But for the larger cockpit would be very welcome - for an evening, you might even want to entertain more people. As far as 40' mono hulls go, this would be a reasonable configuration. Again, I am just an arm-chair expert!
I also agree with your critique of the teak deck, but it is quite a tradition with HR, so if they wouldn't sell teak decks, who would? It is great to hear, that they now offer an alternative. This should mean less maintenance and drive down the price of the boat a bit. That might make the HR an even more interesting alternative in the market. And finally, there is the environment to consider, tropical woods are always a difficult subject though I fully trust HR to responsibly source it. In that context I find it interesting that they offer other woods, like oak, as an alternative for the interior. This gives the interior a much brighter and more modern look. Magnus Rassey mentioned in an interview, that the oak is by far the more popular choice in their recent boats.
It would be interesting, if you could review other HRs, especially the 40C in comparison. And of course the new 50, which in my eyes is the dream HR, not sure if the larger models add so much from there on.
As others wrote, check out the survey and the discussion by Uma about boat designs in that size range.
very true, I believe that the centre cockpit, single helm design is much better IMHO
HI- Great Review and thoughtful perspective. Question; you mentioned flat transom and roll - can you explain this in more detail - I'm genuinely curious.
Yeah i didn't really understand that either. I thought the issue with a flat transom was more in following seas.
i appreciate your honesty
HR builds a beautiful high quality product….but Nick is spot on here.
Absolutely
Wow, never seen Nick be this harsh. Appreciate the candid nature.
I think our expectations for HR are extremely high as they're such fantastic boats. Let's see what the 57 review brings.
Neel might disagree...also well deserved....
You need to see his review of the sailing trimaran, Neel 45 or 50 or whatever it was… fair, criticism based on justified items, and less than thrilled with the boat.
Looks like it's meant to be a high end coastal cruiser, not a blue water cruiser. As a coastal cruiser meets my needs, I would definitely not turn this out out of my slip.
I think all Rassy boats you don't have a choice it is only built with teak decks.Most people don't cruise the world so the wide stern is acceptable to get greater interior room.I have a Cabo Rico 38 and I agree with everything you said about this review.But the Rassy boats are built so well.
Many comments re HR teak decks. To be clear this and other models CAN be ordered WITHOUT teak. This is newish for HR and I’m not certain which models but I know for certain this model HR400 is absolutely available without teak. HR is now also offering a synthetic Teak option.
2 years ago I visited the HR 440 and I came up with very similar conclusions like you, but additionally with 190 cm (not an abnormal scandinavian size) I felt incredibly cramped down below and not having enough headroom in the galley and the master cabin. Additionally the technical room was very nice, but no chance for me even the get myself through the door. All in all a great boat for the north sea but as a lifeaboard in lower latitudes not suitable. Just following on the keel design for the last 20 years and then it becomes obvious that circumnavigation is not their main focus in boat building anymore.
Ageee with you 100% on this. We are on a HR46 (@sailing skyward) and love it! I would never want twin wheels and flat transom. Those small portholes are definitely going to be choking air flow.
Thank you. Getting HR owners perspectives are so useful
Defenatly a costal cruiser
Very beautiful and very expensive costal crises.
Great review. It's difficult To find someone pointing the negatives on a boat review.
Ir you can, please review the Sirius yacht. O would love To know your opinion on a Sirius 35 or 40
Nick did do a quick review of their Sirius boats back in 2019ish at the Düsseldorf show. Very similar to this review he was critical as boats did not seem as good as his previous.
100% agreed. Went to the Annapolis boat show last year and it was amazing the number of monohulls with an "identity crisis." While the HR 400 I'm sure is more than capable of crossing oceans, the designers clearly tried to fit too many potential customer-types into one hull. It's like Porshe making an SUV. Just NO!
I think you have the answer; "Porsche sales with growth in the USA up by almost a quarter. China, the USA, and Germany were the largest market for Porsche in 2021. The top-selling Porsche models were the Macan, Cayenne, Taycan, and 911", note the first 2 are both SUVs. Market forces.
Do not forget:
- the by far best selling Porsches are SUVs.
Simply: Yes.
Admittedly I have a soft spot for HR since my wife is Swedish and the factory in Ellös is only a few miles from her parents home. We strongly consider the new 50 and toured the factory, it’s sort of like a work of art and the quality is top notch…but it seems like you are stepping back in time when you get aboard. I wanted to love it, but in the end, there’s just no comparison once you spend some time aboard a performance oriented catamaran.
Ahhh yes. We had shortlisted HR when we were looking for a replacement for RR, but once you start to consider catamarans it’s hard to go back…. (And Nick flat out refused because of the teak anyway!)
@@sailingrubyrose Yes, once you go to the dark side of catamarans there’s just no looking back!
I forgot to mention that I miss Terysa’s view point in recent videos and ready smile. Hope she is able to return soon.
Thanks mate 😊 I’m very much here behind the scenes but just haven’t been on camera in a while! Still here though 😆
@@sailingrubyrose good to hear Teresa, hope to see your contributions back on camera soon.
Nice review. I’m sure you are going to get more than a few negative comments. But well done.
Excellent review as always ✔
Love your candour and challenge to the manufacturers. I’d hate a hot deck. I’d hate extra maintenance. Function over cosmetics. I’m learning a lot through your videos. Thanks.
Thanks Janis. Cosmetics are important too but the functionality has to come first in my opinion.
You don't have to have teak decks on HR you can specifiy artificial EcoDeck.
Correct, as of a few weeks ago, and we filmed this several months ago. Glad to see they agree the teak isn’t a good choice and are giving customers a more sustainable option.
You can also order without teak.
100% agreed.
Thank you for your indept review. I do not agree on 'not ocean worthy'. There is a market for 'posh' brands such as HR.
Oh the boat is definitely ocean worthy. But it is not designed to cross oceans (IMHO)
Agree on deck.
I thought twin helms made for easier on/off in Med type moorings.
Inside, stunning, but as live aboard for this 192cm, no.
Open up the forward cabin area.
Move dunny/shower to rear if required or reduce lounge on one side. Remove on rear birth for storage and yes starting to come close on that aspect.
Seriously:
Just take HR's options on this boat regarding interior!
Yes, twin helms are for Med style mooring.
Great review! Thanks
No problem!
Absolutely agree. No teak on the deck. I can’t imagine why anyone would want that type of upkeep. And other reasons you mentioned! I like the looks, sure but I didn’t like the amount of work the teak hand rails were! I can’t imagine the work required to maintain a deck.
Exactly!
It is for living on board all year round in the northern Europe and Med region?
I have to agree with you about this finely made boat. Nice to look at but too many deficiencies to being practical. The main Master suite with that small bed just is not workable (6'4" of height) to me.
Thanks for the video. Think this interior is in european oak not teak. But there are teak and mahogany options available.
Interesting episode, Nick. Good job. I miss Terysa. 😊
Hahah she’ll be back.
Good review but the videography was more into showing detailing and not the whole boat. Couldn't feel it as everything was zoomed in. Try taking wide angle normal shots.
I haven’t watched all of your back catalogue so you may have covered this. I would love to hear your thoughts on what would be a good blue water 35 foot ish from the 70/80s I am counting on spending less than 40k including refit for a full time cruiser for two. Med and maybe Atlantic crossing.
Moody or Westerly. Always my go-to for 30-40 ft Mid 80's
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Pretty much nailed it. Not a boat for the blue water world sailor, but for the poser with deep pockets. Thank you Nick, great video!
When I look at that boat it look's like a coastal cruising live-a-board boat, that if you wanted to do a long passage in safety you could. A rich person's retirement condo IMHO.