That's why I've resorted to asking people to tell me where they got their facts rather than try to state an opposing view. If they can't, usually they shut up. Trying to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught is very challenging.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Just incase you didn't know, the word "Roman" you see in the Roman catholic church merely denotes the latin rite. The catholic church also has the Byzantine, Alexandrian, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean rites. All are valid, equal and in communion with one another.
@@danharte6645 Yeah, and before the 'Great'(I assume you know that it was a process rather than just a single moment in history)Schism, Eastern Orthodox Churches were all known as Orthodox (or whatever they called themselves) while still being a member of the Global Catholic Church. I assume the reason people confuse Roman Catholicism with Catholicism is because of the rapid rise of Roman Catholicism in the last few centuries (because the Spanish, the French, the Portuguese, etc.. were all Roman Catholics and so people whom they converted also became Roman Catholics) and the great schisms and also the fact that for most history, Eastern Catholic Churches(and Eastern Churches in general) were literally struggling to exist due to the persecutions and genocides committed by secular and Islamic authorities (the Churches in India, especially the South Indian Churches which were in regions not under any Islamic rulers, didn't endure much persecution. If anything, they were only punished for conversion of lower caste people but they were still allowed to practice their religion publicly). Btw, I'm also an Eastern Catholic. More specifically, a member of the East Syriac rite 'Syro Malabar Church'
The myths about the Catholic Church baffles me so much to the point that i doubt any one of these tiktokers have even read a textbook on Church History. And I'm a Catholic.
Well, if they have ever read the Bible, they have already read a Catholic Church's document by default. You know, since it was the Catholic Church the one that established the canon by recognizing the divine inspiration of the books it compiled. So that's that, I guess. But other than that, I doubt it too!
@@GranMaese no, it was the whole of the Church that has established the whole of the Biblical cannon. It was the Patriarch of Rome that has left that Church centuries later by trying to establish its supremacy over the Ecumenical councils by changing the Nicene creed, regardless of the fact that the fathers of the third council (pope included) had anathemised anyoune who would ever try to do such a thing. So it was "One Holy Chatolic and Apostolic Church" aka the Orthodox Church that has established the Biblical canon, the pope just took a copy with him on his way out.
@@goranvuksa1220 I think the same could be said to you, dear brother. You can't even talk about the Orthodox Church establishing the canon, when there were still many centuries left after the canon was established for the schism to happen. So, by default, it can't be the Orthodox Church the one that did it. It was the Catholic Church. You can now try and say "well, the orthodox churches were once part of the catholic church too, since back then there was only one church, as it should! So we can say we also did it". And you would be right, up to a certain point. However, just think about it, the Catholic Church is the one that kept the name Catholic for a reason, since as many early fathers documents tell us, bishops should accept the authority of the successor of Peter, which simply happened to be the Bishop of Rome [it could easily have been somewhere else if history had happened in some other way, but it didn't. So that's that]. And we have documents as early as the 180 A.D. to prove those statements]... That's almost two full centuries before the canon of Holy Scripture was finally established as we know it today. Let that sink in for a minute, dear friend. In the end, please don't get me wrong, Orthodox faith is a true faith, brother, you are also catholic in dogma, Orthodox and Catholics are 98% the same, like twin brothers or something. Is just that SOME Orthodox churches don't want to follow the Pope [as they should], however many other Orthodox churches do... How could that be, if not that all evidence points out the Catholic Church is the proper original Church? The one that has kept the full tradition as intended [which includes having the Pope as the true vicar of Christ.] Those Orthodox churches have already recognized this. Why won't you? But that's a discussion for some other time, and one that you can have with yourself in prayer. [I don't like going back and forth in YT comments. But I wish you well.] So I'll say farewell for the last time and may God bless us and grants us discernment to be united. Don't forget to focus on what unites us instead of what turns us apart, and so be ready to fight against the true evil of the world that is rising. We need to stay together as brothers in Christ.
it's the da vinci code all over again. people conflate the 2nd century Gnostics (admittedly an umbrella term for various different heterodox groups and individuals), the Arians of the 4th century, and the medieval Cathars (and then just focus on one side of that conflict) to come up with bizarre theories like this (modern "neo" gnostics tend to have totally different beliefs than any ancient gnostics... they're more like neo-pagans or new age dabblers than anything in those ancient texts). the fantasy version of gnosticism (cast as "true" original christianity) that these modern people long for never actually existed.
I'm a Socinian (which is like Arian but more so) and am also frustrated by being confused with Gnosticism. We are nothing alike. Arians have far more in common with orthodox Christians than with Gnostics!
@@fluffysheap I had not heard that term before. certainly the later forms (esp. 16th-19th centuries) which makes Jesus into more of a "good man" or exemplar, a prophet only, WOULD be more in keeping with what the Da Vinci Code mistakenly proposes as the "original" Christian belief that they think was "suppressed" by Imperial fiat centuries later. the idea of a continuous presence of such a group from the beginning despite the "suppression" of the Church doesn't seem supported even by modern secular historians who might otherwise by sympathetic to such a position. agreed, to slap the term "gnostic" on it really is goofy considering what those ancients actually taught. many throughout history would claim to admire Jesus even while denying ancient, central Christian teachings about him (and to avoid having to then call him a lunatic or liar, would try to argue that the biblical documents were unreliable).
Notice that the man doesn’t actually explain the gnostics’ “truth”. It’s a bloated claim without any substance. We, on the other hand, have prophecies that came to pass.
Also there wasn't a 'roman catholic church' in 4th century. It was just 'the church' or The catholic Church'. Constantine would have also been orthodox technically if we are making differentiations with east and west christians anachronistically.
The theory that I think makes the most sense of Constantine’s conversion is this: He genuinely believed in the power of the Christian God, and he wanted to do what he could to please Him so He would continue to give him victory and success. He wasn’t as concerned with gaining the favor of the Christians, because they just weren’t a very powerful group.
@@crossbearer6453 Arianism was a non trinitarian false Christian worldview heresy that was destroyed at the council of Nicea. It still flourishes today as beliefs in the church of JESUS Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jehovah’s witnesses to name a couple. There may have been persecution for the trinitarians but Constantine did not leave Christianity to do it.
@@kingattila506 Christian trinitarianism (the true nature of GOD) was persecuted by emperor Constantine later on. He did not persecute Christianity in general by conforming to a newly adopted religion but a false doctrine within Christianity. This Inspiring philosophy channel does it thorough research concerning deep Christian theological topics. It’s pointless when people try to gain some kind of “fame” from thinking that they are knowledgeable unless they spend meticulous hours seeking to bring to life the truth behind GOD’s word from cultural as well as historical perspective.
As Einstein once said: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” These TikTokkers are just giving out misinformations over and over and they expect different responses. They need to stop this insane behavior. Love your videos. Great job on hammering don't their misinformations.
The archaic records holds all past present and future... i would say is heaven, if not God itself... become one in the spirit of the oneness, and become one as Jesus prayed for.... become one eye and not divided with the option to become one or fall back into the darkness you created
Before the internet they did it on street corners and in bars , also ad nauseum , as few of them could or would read. The best place for weeds is in a competitive ecosystem.
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.
He's speaking by a higher authority than mere actual scholarship, a far more important authority that fills him with utmost confidence in whatever comes to mind - his hair and his bone structure. He looks in the mirror and knows he's right. He doesn't have to actually _know things._ That's for lesser mortals.
There's a Calvinist channel that reviewed Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" film and slammed it for not bringing religion into the mix. And then proceeded to blame Matt's Catholicism for it all. I'm like you, when someone, whoever they are, immediately begin to blame the Catholic church for ANYTHING, I laugh (to keep from crying).
Especially when talking about Constantine, Nicea, and the fourth century. The "Roman Catholic Church" as we understand it today (specifically the church that acknowledges the authority of a Pope and considers Latin virtually a holy language) DID NOT EXIST in the fourth century. The Catholic Church, which literally means "The Universal Church" wasn't very "Roman" either culturally or geographically at this time and few places outside of Italy recognized the Bishop of Rome as holding any special authority over bishops outside of Italy. This guy's constant use of the term as some sort of pejorative itself speaks to both his own cluelessness about history and some really deep seated hatred for the Roman Catholic Church.
That guy does NOT know what he's talking about when he vilifies the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not a Catholic, but this guy has a big grudge against the Roman Catholic Church that makes it impossible for him to give an unbiased opinion of history. I appreciate the way you've refuted each claim, because this guy has so MANY things Wrong!!
I don't think it's a grudge, I think it's more the Catholic Church has a long, complicated, and prominent history, so it's easy to single out for conspiracy theories.
I'm also pretty sure that there was no such thing as the "Roman Catholic Church" in the 400s. With the great schism happening 600 years later in 1054...
@@SomePeopleCallMeWulfman The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD)
@@SomePeopleCallMeWulfman what you find with Catholic Dogma is that it is actually very permissive compared to other forms, especially the rigid beliefs of her more anti-catholic denominations. The Councils often begin not by defining Dogma but refuting what it is not. Thus heresy etc is spotted more by it materialising and asserting itself. Indeed for most of history key dogmas have been taken as read until they needed to be affirmed for whatever reason. That is why the likes of Trent follows the reformation. If you like it's more like the Paraclete is nudging the church back on course. The thing about the scary Papal Inffallability is not that it is a positive process but that ot is a negative one. It applies to stop heresy rather than promote Dogma and it is only Graced in certain circumstances, ie on faith and morals. It does not prevent the man that is Pope from making mistakes, just preventing those mistakes from impacting the church. Therefore claims such as yours make little sense.
Its one of the oldest tricks in the book when people don't want to be accountable. "Oh, I have the golden tablets that only I can read. So, without question, follow what I say." "I am the final prophet of God and his message came to me in a cave from an angel. So, without question, follow what I say." "I have secret mystical knowledge that "they" cover up. So, without question, follow what I say." "God took me to heaven and showed me a bunch of things. So, without question, follow what I say." There you have Mormonism, Islam, Gnosticism, and Charismatic Christianity. Meanwhile, the example we are given to follow are the Berean in Acts 17. When someone comes to you with something new, you take their words and search God's law night and day to figure out if it is true or false. Its not hidden for only one person to know, but for every man and woman and child to read, think about, and discuss.
I have a friend of mine that wants me to study the Nag Hammadi and the Gnostic Codex. Do y'all know any points of interest in them I can call out to be false or something? I can't seem to disagree except for the re affirmations and evidence for Christianity.
@@alphahuner1116 it has been a while since I have looked up anything to do with the Nag Hammandi librarymore than just reminding myself of what it has. It is a coolection of various texts, similar in many ways to the dead sea scrolls discovery. It would be interesting to know which bits of the library he wants you to read though as I think various sections have a number of conflicting theological views. I don't think they contain a unanimous view the same way the Bible does (no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise). The issues with most gnostic texts that would be obvious to lay people is normally in theur Christology. They normally either reject Christs deity ir his humanity. Which way they go depends on how old they are. The older lot tend to deny humanity, the newer lot tend to reject divinity. They almost all reject the hypostatic union though. Another major issue that wouldn't be obvious to lays is the geography. One of the normal complaints about the 4 gospels is that they don't understand the region, even though they actually really do. The gnostic gospels really don't. They are riddled with errors and really do have issues with where they think stuff is. They really don't know. You also get stuff where they sometimes over play their hand on some stuff, or they have really politically motivated stuff in them. Some will be more obvious than others. Things like very different treatment of women by Jesus, trying to play up who they are written by in an innapropriate way for the genre, stories like Jesus speaking as a newborn, even just newer styles of writing or the wrong genre, or getting names wrong or people confused. (As a fun aside, a good example of this happening is in the quran, where it steals stories from some of these texts, like Jesus creating life in clay birds, but doesn't understand them and thinks Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron. So stuff like that is what you might be looking for. I can't remember any off the top of my head, but that one comes up in the discussions I normally have) A lot of it, as per the joke I made in the op, is all about hoe they have this secret knowledge and all the public knowledge is wrong. Without their secret knowlege you can't do anything. This is obviously conoletely at odds to the Bible where Jesus came publically, to act publically, and then wanted his Gospel to be spread publically. You would need to look into the arguments against one unfortunately since they are not all the same. Some of the stuff just isn't stuff you will be able to know without scholarly help either.
This was also true of the priesthoods that ruled over folks all over the world, including the so-called Christian ones (that still exist). They were the high-caste (the demigods, same group the bible calls the nephilim). Many folks defaulting to paganism and don't understand this: it's anti-human.
Because Constantine had a lot to do with enforcing the doctrines that have been regarded as Christian ever since his reign. It doesn't take Rhodes scholar to figure that out.
Watch a jewish service and a catholic service. It was a bit eerie to me. Open the giant ornate Torah cabinet and pray to it. Open the little door and pray to the bread in it. Process down with the Torah scroll / Eucharist. Pretty similar if you ask me.
@@Plastikk2000 I suppose my point was that Christianity says it's higher, not just the motions of dead rituals. But it ended up the same in Catholicism. Just swapped out one thing for another. That's why evangelicals see it differently - that it really is a higher spiritual thing. Not just a physical, eat this bread. You have to eat the bread spiritually.
I came here to hear someone moan about "Council of Nicea" or "Constantine" - I am satisfied.
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Today I drove to the bank, got out and got some things sorted out. As I walked back I noticed someone had hit the rear end of my car. I looked around to see if anyone had seen anything. Then I realized: like everything else, it must have been Constantine's fault.
"What if the Gnostics had the truth?" -Umm, sense he claimed to have been reading so much about them, has he read Tertullian's Against Marcion, or Irenaous' Against Heretics? The question they kept bringing up is, "We have the teachings of the Apostles, which are recognized in every church in the world. Where are you getting your sayings? We have the memoirs of the Apostles that are read everywhere; what are these forged Gospels that are unrecognized by anybody outside yourself?"
I'm a prodestant and I still gotta give the catholic church credit, they deal with a whole lot of criticism (some more warrented than others), I may disagree with you guys on some specific aspects of theology, but I'm decently sure we're gonna get those sorted out when we get to heaven, as I don't think they are ones dependent on our salvation. Sending love to my catholic brothers/sisters!
I applaud you for being able to keep a level head while responding to these absolute clowns. Why are they all so eager to put their ignorance on full display? All the while beating their chest with such self-righteous bravado. Boy am I glad tiktok wasn't around when I was a teenager...
This is my first time to comment on your channel. I just had to today tho. I greatly appreciate your knowledge of the Bible. Thank you for educating all of us on these topics. I pray that you will be blessed and continue to grow your platform. Oh and you are also a very nice looking man with a great voice. I mean no disrespect at all. God Bless!
If someone put together a montage of all the wannabe TikTok and TH-cam historians abusing the terms “Constantine“ and “Council of Nicaea“ it would probably be at least 10 hours long.
The amount of misinformation is giving me a headache That’s coming from someone who studied Gnosticism, especially the Valentinians. While the Valentinians do have my sympathy (because even Valentinus wasn’t declared a heretic until after his death), every other sect are a dying out minority.
@@paradisecityX0 wrong. that just genuinely makes no sense. i think you should try and read simone de beauvoir and judith butler etc and engage with them seriously rather than applying buzzwords to their ideas to try and make them sound heretical and scary. dualism is the belief in the opposition between the material and spiritual world where theres often a god of each like in manichaeism. the idea of gender theory is more materialistic, saying that gender is a social construct, an idea that exists within the material world, that stems from human society, which is a material thing to them. it has nothing to do with the spiritual. you, in fact, by positioning them as more spiritual than yourself, since most of those who are anti gender theory insist that gender is a material thing decided by the body, accuse yourself and your own hypermaterialism. gender is a metaphysical attribute/accident of ourselves decided first by God, who is spirit, and not by the body. all praise be to God, all things can be changed by His Will.
@@paradisecityX0 in a way, yeah, however like what IP said, this doesn’t apply to every gnostic sects The Paulicians and Valentinians for example are ok with marriage, even bearing children.
What false ideas? Let me open your eyes to your own false ideas, and belief in men of the Nicene counsel.. 2 scripture is all I need to refute the false doctrine of a truine God. John 17:22 WEBUS [22] The glory which you have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one, Isaiah 48:11 WEBUS [11] For my own sake, for my own sake, I will do it; for how would my name be profaned? I will not give my glory to another. Ta-da your religion makes God out to be a man and a liar.. Numbers 23:19 WEBUS [19] God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and he won’t do it? Or has he spoken, and he won’t make it good? A third scripture for added measures, which fits the context of the other two perfectly.. I am a gnostic Christian, because Gnosis is more important than blind faith and ignorance of the words of God..
Something you learn the more you debate is the value in citing your sources. This poor fellow has not yet learned that value, therefor "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" (Hitchens). I always appreciate that you cite your source man, it seriously adds authority to what you say.
OMG even before clicking on this video I knew I just felt that he was going to bring up Constantine and the council of nicea. One of my favorite videos is where IP said show me on the doll where Constantine hurt you lmao.
What about the Nag Hammadi library? Are these gnostic books not found anywhere else because the Christian Church destroyed all the copies that the could find?
I love watching these. They are so similar to listening to a drunk in a bar. I have spent decades playing music in bars where the norm is to play 45 minutes and take a 15 minute break. This is the kind of guy that always comes up to me. It is torture to have to listen to one of these Dunning Kruger examples of know it alls.
One could certainly consider the Albigensian Crusade as the Roman Church’s attempt to eliminate Gnosticism as an ideological threat to their power using military force in the 1200s, to great success it has to be said, but if we’re speaking about the Early Church circa Nicaea? Nah that’s just some major cap, fam 😂
They were an independent church not giving money to Rome. George Stanley Faber and Peter Allix give the history on them; the Roman church burned their records and accused them of being Gnostic heretics. They tried the same thing with the Hussites, but they were significantly better fighters, and by the time they did it to the Waldensians, the Reformation was already under way. And now, Christianity is too big to kill, but I'm well aware that the only thing stopping the Papacy from trying again is that they lack the military power.
As I understood it, the Albigensian crusade as a military venture was not as successful in quelling the heresy as the medieval inquisition was. At least the crusade didn’t eliminate catharism as it lingered for a century afterward.
So, dude has a problem with the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic church but then rejects Justin Martyr for not having ecclesiastical authority.
Gnostics and Arians on the whole were not slaughtered. The test was say Kaiser Kyrie and pay a fee. Only the Catholics, Coptics, and Orthodox refused. The refusal brought the heavy hand of government on them., that is why they were uniquely persecuted. Sincerely in Xto Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.
At the time of Constantine, scholars estimate that around 20% of the empire were already christian. I think that one cannot say for sure that there was not a politic motivation in his move. Nevertheless he have appointed several christian and non christians for important positions which seems to indicate that he did not want to particular promote one group over the other. See these data and more in the short video "a new civilization" in Voitheia Ruc c hannel.
His turn to Christianity occurred outside Rome, where the vast majority was Pagan. If it was a political move he would’ve waited until he got to the East, where most of the Christians were.
false before constantine converted to christianity there was no 20 per cent of christians at all. christians were persecuted. and stop with your "scholars" nobody cares , among scholars you got thoses who spread lies and thoses who spread truth, scholars means nothing at all.
today peoples are brainwash with atheism and secularism so they dont understand that somebody can accept a religion simply because this person believes there is a god and that christianity is true. for secular scholars cannot understand this . they only think power and money , control that's the only criterias they consider . back then everybody believed in God so secular scholars live outside of reality. you have to stop with "scholars " it's ridiculous .scholars means nothing majority of scholars dont know the truth who cares of what they have to say if you dont know the truth you spread lies as a scholar. if you like scholars and you need to idolize some peoples with a title then idolize scholars that spread the truth not the others.
Prior to the First Council of Nicaea, there was no Roman Catholic Church. Some of those 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Christian sects did refer to themselves as Gnostics, but not the majority. The term was later applied as a broad brush to cover all those sects that didn't fit well into the Christian Orthodoxy.
Constantine didn't even make Catholicism the official religion of the Roman Empire, how did he persecute the gnostics then, for God's sake. Do these people study history at all???
There is a theory that the first gnostic is in acts 8 Simon the magician, in some Hebrew massoratic (can't spell) texts they put Peter crying as he casts him out, knowing the damage he would do. He's believed to be one of the starters of gnosticism and this is possibly some of the things paul speaks about about devision. Not a huge amount of theology about it but enough to be a possible and interesting thought.
@@firatmengi5715The Cathars were a group of supposed gnostics in southern france and italy. The Church threw a crusade their way and slaughtered them, burning them alive. Whether any such brutality was used against the early gnostics is not known. But the cathars were very much victims of the catholic church. Albeit, no one knows if they were even gnostic.
The "Gnostics" either crystallized into something more systematic and coherent like Mandaeism over centuries or they completely disappeared altogether as Orthodoxy started becoming better defined and systemized in light of Gnostic challenges.
Let's get together and learn of god so we can argue against those false teachers who scam our fellow believers out of money and not the truth. To teach they should be putting all that money in a Strongs Exhaistive Concordance and a kjv on all believers hands and actually teaching the word of god.. that's true teaching and not scamming for jet airplanes and such. Well the true understanding of tongues will change all that bs.
How about posting at least current videos to Rumble??? Your whole catalog would be nice, I like most of it but your 'quantum mind' series was fantastic.
It’s almost like when your group promises immorality and people start dying then you will have problems lol. Also you always post great videos keep up the good work!
By the way, we are still in the process of the second account of creation. The first account was our physical creation. The second account briefly outlines our spiritual development. This does not end until the lord declares that it is done in revelation.
What's next? Jesus had a wife and kids and hid the Ark of the Covenant at Mt. Rushmore?
Mt. Rushmore!? Everyone knows that the Ark is in a government warehouse in Maryland... Didn't you ever watch Raiders of the Lost Ark? Duh!
Don’t be silly! The Apostles stole Jesus body and hid it in the Ark of the Covenant and then buried it under Noah’s Ark, lol
Mormons might believe that Jesus was married.
No. Jesus was an alien. Didn't you know? It says so on TikTok!
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr they do : but they believe alot of weird things!
The problem with apologetics is that it takes twice as long to refute the lie than it does for these people to come up and spread new conspiracies.
But it's fun to do it.
True. And I have seen history teachers saying stuff like that to students. It's very tiresome to go out of your way to refute everything they say.
It's the old saying ‘A Lie Is Halfway Round the World Before the Truth Has Got Its Boots On’
That's why I've resorted to asking people to tell me where they got their facts rather than try to state an opposing view. If they can't, usually they shut up. Trying to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught is very challenging.
@@ugonnaonwuchekwa3614 "Its just history" what some of them answered to me.
Any time I hear the phrases “Roman Catholic Church” or “Constantine” I automatically assume I’m listening to a conspiracy theory
True, if they start titling catholic Church with "Roman ' i definitely understand they are protestants.and something nonsense is about to let loose.
They named themselves that you know lol
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Just incase you didn't know, the word "Roman" you see in the Roman catholic church merely denotes the latin rite.
The catholic church also has the Byzantine, Alexandrian, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean rites.
All are valid, equal and in communion with one another.
@@danharte6645 you are right.
But none of the anti Catholics dare to scratch the surface to look inside.
Ironic
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Yeah, and before the 'Great'(I assume you know that it was a process rather than just a single moment in history)Schism, Eastern Orthodox Churches were all known as Orthodox (or whatever they called themselves) while still being a member of the Global Catholic Church.
I assume the reason people confuse Roman Catholicism with Catholicism is because of the rapid rise of Roman Catholicism in the last few centuries (because the Spanish, the French, the Portuguese, etc.. were all Roman Catholics and so people whom they converted also became Roman Catholics) and the great schisms and also the fact that for most history, Eastern Catholic Churches(and Eastern Churches in general) were literally struggling to exist due to the persecutions and genocides committed by secular and Islamic authorities (the Churches in India, especially the South Indian Churches which were in regions not under any Islamic rulers, didn't endure much persecution. If anything, they were only punished for conversion of lower caste people but they were still allowed to practice their religion publicly).
Btw, I'm also an Eastern Catholic. More specifically, a member of the East Syriac rite 'Syro Malabar Church'
The myths about the Catholic Church baffles me so much to the point that i doubt any one of these tiktokers have even read a textbook on Church History. And I'm a Catholic.
Well, if they have ever read the Bible, they have already read a Catholic Church's document by default. You know, since it was the Catholic Church the one that established the canon by recognizing the divine inspiration of the books it compiled. So that's that, I guess. But other than that, I doubt it too!
@@GranMaese no, it was the whole of the Church that has established the whole of the Biblical cannon. It was the Patriarch of Rome that has left that Church centuries later by trying to establish its supremacy over the Ecumenical councils by changing the Nicene creed, regardless of the fact that the fathers of the third council (pope included) had anathemised anyoune who would ever try to do such a thing. So it was "One Holy Chatolic and Apostolic Church" aka the Orthodox Church that has established the Biblical canon, the pope just took a copy with him on his way out.
@@goranvuksa1220 Pull the other one it's got bells on!
No, seriously. Nice try, though. God Bless.
@@GranMaese ehh, a bit of reading instead of propaganda, especially on the Ecumenical councils might be good for you.
God Bless.
@@goranvuksa1220 I think the same could be said to you, dear brother.
You can't even talk about the Orthodox Church establishing the canon, when there were still many centuries left after the canon was established for the schism to happen. So, by default, it can't be the Orthodox Church the one that did it. It was the Catholic Church.
You can now try and say "well, the orthodox churches were once part of the catholic church too, since back then there was only one church, as it should! So we can say we also did it".
And you would be right, up to a certain point. However, just think about it, the Catholic Church is the one that kept the name Catholic for a reason, since as many early fathers documents tell us, bishops should accept the authority of the successor of Peter, which simply happened to be the Bishop of Rome [it could easily have been somewhere else if history had happened in some other way, but it didn't. So that's that]. And we have documents as early as the 180 A.D. to prove those statements]... That's almost two full centuries before the canon of Holy Scripture was finally established as we know it today. Let that sink in for a minute, dear friend.
In the end, please don't get me wrong, Orthodox faith is a true faith, brother, you are also catholic in dogma, Orthodox and Catholics are 98% the same, like twin brothers or something. Is just that SOME Orthodox churches don't want to follow the Pope [as they should], however many other Orthodox churches do... How could that be, if not that all evidence points out the Catholic Church is the proper original Church? The one that has kept the full tradition as intended [which includes having the Pope as the true vicar of Christ.]
Those Orthodox churches have already recognized this. Why won't you?
But that's a discussion for some other time, and one that you can have with yourself in prayer. [I don't like going back and forth in YT comments. But I wish you well.]
So I'll say farewell for the last time and may God bless us and grants us discernment to be united. Don't forget to focus on what unites us instead of what turns us apart, and so be ready to fight against the true evil of the world that is rising. We need to stay together as brothers in Christ.
it's the da vinci code all over again. people conflate the 2nd century Gnostics (admittedly an umbrella term for various different heterodox groups and individuals), the Arians of the 4th century, and the medieval Cathars (and then just focus on one side of that conflict) to come up with bizarre theories like this (modern "neo" gnostics tend to have totally different beliefs than any ancient gnostics... they're more like neo-pagans or new age dabblers than anything in those ancient texts). the fantasy version of gnosticism (cast as "true" original christianity) that these modern people long for never actually existed.
I'm a Socinian (which is like Arian but more so) and am also frustrated by being confused with Gnosticism. We are nothing alike. Arians have far more in common with orthodox Christians than with Gnostics!
@@fluffysheap I had not heard that term before. certainly the later forms (esp. 16th-19th centuries) which makes Jesus into more of a "good man" or exemplar, a prophet only, WOULD be more in keeping with what the Da Vinci Code mistakenly proposes as the "original" Christian belief that they think was "suppressed" by Imperial fiat centuries later. the idea of a continuous presence of such a group from the beginning despite the "suppression" of the Church doesn't seem supported even by modern secular historians who might otherwise by sympathetic to such a position. agreed, to slap the term "gnostic" on it really is goofy considering what those ancients actually taught. many throughout history would claim to admire Jesus even while denying ancient, central Christian teachings about him (and to avoid having to then call him a lunatic or liar, would try to argue that the biblical documents were unreliable).
@@fluffysheap Why are you a heretic ?
@@cavithalilparlak2264 yeah, arianism is extremely unbiblical.
Notice that the man doesn’t actually explain the gnostics’ “truth”. It’s a bloated claim without any substance.
We, on the other hand, have prophecies that came to pass.
What man?
Saying the catholics killed the gnostics is like saying Jesus had to repent.
Very true.
Also there wasn't a 'roman catholic church' in 4th century. It was just 'the church' or The catholic Church'. Constantine would have also been orthodox technically if we are making differentiations with east and west christians anachronistically.
@@lorenioooooas I'm Orthodox
I’ve heard that Constantine was converted into Arianism
There’s actually a famous group like that. They’re called Mormons
The theory that I think makes the most sense of Constantine’s conversion is this:
He genuinely believed in the power of the Christian God, and he wanted to do what he could to please Him so He would continue to give him victory and success. He wasn’t as concerned with gaining the favor of the Christians, because they just weren’t a very powerful group.
Not to mention he then converted to Arianism and persecuted Christians again
@@crossbearer6453 No he didn’t
@@kingattila506 then what did he do?? When he was in his last years??
Before you answer, when was the Bible first compiled??
@@crossbearer6453 Arianism was a non trinitarian false Christian worldview heresy that was destroyed at the council of Nicea. It still flourishes today as beliefs in the church of JESUS Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jehovah’s witnesses to name a couple. There may have been persecution for the trinitarians but Constantine did not leave Christianity to do it.
@@kingattila506 Christian trinitarianism (the true nature of GOD) was persecuted by emperor Constantine later on. He did not persecute Christianity in general by conforming to a newly adopted religion but a false doctrine within Christianity. This Inspiring philosophy channel does it thorough research concerning deep Christian theological topics. It’s pointless when people try to gain some kind of “fame” from thinking that they are knowledgeable unless they spend meticulous hours seeking to bring to life the truth behind GOD’s word from cultural as well as historical perspective.
As Einstein once said:
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
These TikTokkers are just giving out misinformations over and over and they expect different responses. They need to stop this insane behavior.
Love your videos. Great job on hammering don't their misinformations.
You should see how much blk leaders give out mis information. We was kangs
The archaic records holds all past present and future... i would say is heaven, if not God itself... become one in the spirit of the oneness, and become one as Jesus prayed for.... become one eye and not divided with the option to become one or fall back into the darkness you created
Before the internet they did it on street corners and in bars , also ad nauseum , as few of them could or would read.
The best place for weeds is in a competitive ecosystem.
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.
Einstein never said that.
He's speaking by a higher authority than mere actual scholarship, a far more important authority that fills him with utmost confidence in whatever comes to mind - his hair and his bone structure. He looks in the mirror and knows he's right. He doesn't have to actually _know things._ That's for lesser mortals.
That's the most classy yet satisfying destruction of a person's ego I've ever seen!. It must be because it is so true.
Great comment 😂
Anytime I hear “tHe RoMaN CaThoL1C cHurCh", I start laughing preemptively.
There's a Calvinist channel that reviewed Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" film and slammed it for not bringing religion into the mix. And then proceeded to blame Matt's Catholicism for it all. I'm like you, when someone, whoever they are, immediately begin to blame the Catholic church for ANYTHING, I laugh (to keep from crying).
@Athanasius sadly, it's because they ARE saying it outta spite.
@@MostlyReformed Next time should say, I’m not Roman I’m Byzantine Catholic just to throw them for a loop
@@HodgePodgeVids1 YES!!!
Especially when talking about Constantine, Nicea, and the fourth century. The "Roman Catholic Church" as we understand it today (specifically the church that acknowledges the authority of a Pope and considers Latin virtually a holy language) DID NOT EXIST in the fourth century. The Catholic Church, which literally means "The Universal Church" wasn't very "Roman" either culturally or geographically at this time and few places outside of Italy recognized the Bishop of Rome as holding any special authority over bishops outside of Italy.
This guy's constant use of the term as some sort of pejorative itself speaks to both his own cluelessness about history and some really deep seated hatred for the Roman Catholic Church.
That guy does NOT know what he's talking about when he vilifies the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not a Catholic, but this guy has a big grudge against the Roman Catholic Church that makes it impossible for him to give an unbiased opinion of history.
I appreciate the way you've refuted each claim, because this guy has so MANY things Wrong!!
I don't think it's a grudge, I think it's more the Catholic Church has a long, complicated, and prominent history, so it's easy to single out for conspiracy theories.
I'm also pretty sure that there was no such thing as the "Roman Catholic Church" in the 400s. With the great schism happening 600 years later in 1054...
@@SomePeopleCallMeWulfman The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD)
@@SomePeopleCallMeWulfman what you find with Catholic Dogma is that it is actually very permissive compared to other forms, especially the rigid beliefs of her more anti-catholic denominations.
The Councils often begin not by defining Dogma but refuting what it is not. Thus heresy etc is spotted more by it materialising and asserting itself.
Indeed for most of history key dogmas have been taken as read until they needed to be affirmed for whatever reason. That is why the likes of Trent follows the reformation.
If you like it's more like the Paraclete is nudging the church back on course.
The thing about the scary Papal Inffallability is not that it is a positive process but that ot is a negative one. It applies to stop heresy rather than promote Dogma and it is only Graced in certain circumstances, ie on faith and morals. It does not prevent the man that is Pope from making mistakes, just preventing those mistakes from impacting the church.
Therefore claims such as yours make little sense.
church killed witches and wizards. and you still defend church and their crimes.
I love how gnostic these people are. "We have this secret truth"
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Its one of the oldest tricks in the book when people don't want to be accountable. "Oh, I have the golden tablets that only I can read. So, without question, follow what I say." "I am the final prophet of God and his message came to me in a cave from an angel. So, without question, follow what I say." "I have secret mystical knowledge that "they" cover up. So, without question, follow what I say." "God took me to heaven and showed me a bunch of things. So, without question, follow what I say."
There you have Mormonism, Islam, Gnosticism, and Charismatic Christianity. Meanwhile, the example we are given to follow are the Berean in Acts 17. When someone comes to you with something new, you take their words and search God's law night and day to figure out if it is true or false. Its not hidden for only one person to know, but for every man and woman and child to read, think about, and discuss.
This guy achieved gnosis with this one little trick. Jesus hates him!
I have a friend of mine that wants me to study the Nag Hammadi and the Gnostic Codex. Do y'all know any points of interest in them I can call out to be false or something? I can't seem to disagree except for the re affirmations and evidence for Christianity.
@@alphahuner1116 it has been a while since I have looked up anything to do with the Nag Hammandi librarymore than just reminding myself of what it has. It is a coolection of various texts, similar in many ways to the dead sea scrolls discovery.
It would be interesting to know which bits of the library he wants you to read though as I think various sections have a number of conflicting theological views. I don't think they contain a unanimous view the same way the Bible does (no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise).
The issues with most gnostic texts that would be obvious to lay people is normally in theur Christology. They normally either reject Christs deity ir his humanity. Which way they go depends on how old they are. The older lot tend to deny humanity, the newer lot tend to reject divinity. They almost all reject the hypostatic union though.
Another major issue that wouldn't be obvious to lays is the geography. One of the normal complaints about the 4 gospels is that they don't understand the region, even though they actually really do. The gnostic gospels really don't. They are riddled with errors and really do have issues with where they think stuff is. They really don't know.
You also get stuff where they sometimes over play their hand on some stuff, or they have really politically motivated stuff in them. Some will be more obvious than others. Things like very different treatment of women by Jesus, trying to play up who they are written by in an innapropriate way for the genre, stories like Jesus speaking as a newborn, even just newer styles of writing or the wrong genre, or getting names wrong or people confused.
(As a fun aside, a good example of this happening is in the quran, where it steals stories from some of these texts, like Jesus creating life in clay birds, but doesn't understand them and thinks Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron. So stuff like that is what you might be looking for. I can't remember any off the top of my head, but that one comes up in the discussions I normally have)
A lot of it, as per the joke I made in the op, is all about hoe they have this secret knowledge and all the public knowledge is wrong. Without their secret knowlege you can't do anything. This is obviously conoletely at odds to the Bible where Jesus came publically, to act publically, and then wanted his Gospel to be spread publically.
You would need to look into the arguments against one unfortunately since they are not all the same. Some of the stuff just isn't stuff you will be able to know without scholarly help either.
Most gnostics quite literally disliked the "ignorant" masses, they were never any kind of majority. This guy is nuts.
This was also true of the priesthoods that ruled over folks all over the world, including the so-called Christian ones (that still exist). They were the high-caste (the demigods, same group the bible calls the nephilim). Many folks defaulting to paganism and don't understand this: it's anti-human.
@@blanktrigger8863Proof?
What's up with this people and Constantine the Great? Seriously, Constantine the Great is living rent free in their minds even after his death.
Unironically because of Da Vinci Code, people took it way too seriously
Because Constantine had a lot to do with enforcing the doctrines that have been regarded as Christian ever since his reign. It doesn't take Rhodes scholar to figure that out.
Learned something new today, I didn’t know that Gnosticism was actually a blanket for many sects
HAHAHA "Torah Observant's are y'all actually Catholic..." I'm dying laughing
Watch a jewish service and a catholic service. It was a bit eerie to me. Open the giant ornate Torah cabinet and pray to it. Open the little door and pray to the bread in it. Process down with the Torah scroll / Eucharist. Pretty similar if you ask me.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Interesting points, I had not thought of the similarities.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessryour point being?
@@Plastikk2000 I suppose my point was that Christianity says it's higher, not just the motions of dead rituals. But it ended up the same in Catholicism. Just swapped out one thing for another. That's why evangelicals see it differently - that it really is a higher spiritual thing. Not just a physical, eat this bread. You have to eat the bread spiritually.
First heard you on the lore lodge. Love your videos and breakdowns man. Thank you for helping me with my faith
I came here to hear someone moan about "Council of Nicea" or "Constantine" - I am satisfied.
Today I drove to the bank, got out and got some things sorted out. As I walked back I noticed someone had hit the rear end of my car. I looked around to see if anyone had seen anything. Then I realized: like everything else, it must have been Constantine's fault.
😂😂
"the gnostics were a sect..."
Ah yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about, dismissed
I love the way you shoot down the lies, point by point! 👏🏾
U mean lies in a more comfortable way for u
I love these short refutations , keep it up brother Michael
Great content! Thank you for sharing!
"What if the Gnostics had the truth?" -Umm, sense he claimed to have been reading so much about them, has he read Tertullian's Against Marcion, or Irenaous' Against Heretics? The question they kept bringing up is, "We have the teachings of the Apostles, which are recognized in every church in the world. Where are you getting your sayings? We have the memoirs of the Apostles that are read everywhere; what are these forged Gospels that are unrecognized by anybody outside yourself?"
I'm a prodestant and I still gotta give the catholic church credit, they deal with a whole lot of criticism (some more warrented than others), I may disagree with you guys on some specific aspects of theology, but I'm decently sure we're gonna get those sorted out when we get to heaven, as I don't think they are ones dependent on our salvation.
Sending love to my catholic brothers/sisters!
I applaud you for being able to keep a level head while responding to these absolute clowns.
Why are they all so eager to put their ignorance on full display? All the while beating their chest with such self-righteous bravado.
Boy am I glad tiktok wasn't around when I was a teenager...
Thank you for doing these videos!
This is my first time to comment on your channel. I just had to today tho. I greatly appreciate your knowledge of the Bible. Thank you for educating all of us on these topics. I pray that you will be blessed and continue to grow your platform. Oh and you are also a very nice looking man with a great voice. I mean no disrespect at all. God Bless!
Keep up the good work brother 🙏🔥🔥🔥
If someone put together a montage of all the wannabe TikTok and TH-cam historians abusing the terms “Constantine“ and “Council of Nicaea“ it would probably be at least 10 hours long.
The amount of misinformation is giving me a headache
That’s coming from someone who studied Gnosticism, especially the Valentinians. While the Valentinians do have my sympathy (because even Valentinus wasn’t declared a heretic until after his death), every other sect are a dying out minority.
Surely you notice that gnostic dualism made a comeback in the form of gender theory
@@paradisecityX0 wrong. that just genuinely makes no sense. i think you should try and read simone de beauvoir and judith butler etc and engage with them seriously rather than applying buzzwords to their ideas to try and make them sound heretical and scary. dualism is the belief in the opposition between the material and spiritual world where theres often a god of each like in manichaeism. the idea of gender theory is more materialistic, saying that gender is a social construct, an idea that exists within the material world, that stems from human society, which is a material thing to them. it has nothing to do with the spiritual. you, in fact, by positioning them as more spiritual than yourself, since most of those who are anti gender theory insist that gender is a material thing decided by the body, accuse yourself and your own hypermaterialism. gender is a metaphysical attribute/accident of ourselves decided first by God, who is spirit, and not by the body. all praise be to God, all things can be changed by His Will.
@@universal_hyssoap do you mean that gender is disconnected from the physical reality ? Use less words in a full message so I can understand please
@@paradisecityX0 in a way, yeah, however like what IP said, this doesn’t apply to every gnostic sects
The Paulicians and Valentinians for example are ok with marriage, even bearing children.
@@universal_hyssoap The silly notion that there's women trapped in men's bodies and vice versa doesn't ring any bells?
Thanks a ton for the vid bro! 10/10 As always!
Excellent video
Learned so much.
Mike's a blessing; we all love you, Mike. Kind regards Kim
Preach it brother! People be out here just making stuff up to try to have a point and don’t actually look at the facts/go to seminary school.
never ending supply of material you have here
Constantine and the Council Of Nicea is the Protestant/non-Catholic boogeyman and scapegoat.
Great job inspiring philosophy thanks for clearing this up
Constantin the Great is the antagonist of the 21th century highschool drop outs
As someone who has been learning about early church history, *this man is driving me up a wall.*
How to be a successful TikTok historian:
- Talk absolute crap with confidence.
That's it, go get em.
I love your takes brother. Hilarious but not excessively disparaging.
God bless you ❤️
i appreciate all your work! Glad to see someone combat these false ideas.
What false ideas?
Let me open your eyes to your own false ideas, and belief in men of the Nicene counsel..
2 scripture is all I need to refute the false doctrine of a truine God.
John 17:22 WEBUS
[22] The glory which you have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one,
Isaiah 48:11 WEBUS
[11] For my own sake, for my own sake, I will do it; for how would my name be profaned? I will not give my glory to another.
Ta-da your religion makes God out to be a man and a liar..
Numbers 23:19 WEBUS
[19] God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and he won’t do it? Or has he spoken, and he won’t make it good?
A third scripture for added measures, which fits the context of the other two perfectly..
I am a gnostic Christian, because Gnosis is more important than blind faith and ignorance of the words of God..
I see you've been keeping up with History for Atheists - that's a great resource!
Something you learn the more you debate is the value in citing your sources. This poor fellow has not yet learned that value, therefor "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" (Hitchens). I always appreciate that you cite your source man, it seriously adds authority to what you say.
I like that he cites nothing :D
Wow, this Constantine guy seems to be the cause of everything under the sun xD
Just another conspiracy theorist who hunger for attention.
OMG even before clicking on this video I knew I just felt that he was going to bring up Constantine and the council of nicea. One of my favorite videos is where IP said show me on the doll where Constantine hurt you lmao.
How do you do such stream lines responses like this that are both well prepared and timely?
When in doubt, call Constantine out.
What about the Nag Hammadi library? Are these gnostic books not found anywhere else because the Christian Church destroyed all the copies that the could find?
Why do these people hate Constantine so much? People love to make up conspiracy theories about him.
Interesting. Thank you.
I love watching these. They are so similar to listening to a drunk in a bar.
I have spent decades playing music in bars where the norm is to play 45 minutes and take a 15 minute break. This is the kind of guy that always comes up to me. It is torture to have to listen to one of these Dunning Kruger examples of know it alls.
Yep, a wee dram of bourbon takes a bit of the pain away but, bless his heart! He is every nut at every gig.
Fantastic Job IP. Is the conspiracy theorist tagged in this video. I would love to see how they interact with facts.
One could certainly consider the Albigensian Crusade as the Roman Church’s attempt to eliminate Gnosticism as an ideological threat to their power using military force in the 1200s, to great success it has to be said, but if we’re speaking about the Early Church circa Nicaea?
Nah that’s just some major cap, fam 😂
It was more that they were a threat to souls. The church feared that is heresy spread it would lead to mass damnation of souls
@@lucidlocomotive2014 Because killing 200,000 people - at least - over the course of 20 years definitely won’t do that for all the Catholics involved.
They were an independent church not giving money to Rome. George Stanley Faber and Peter Allix give the history on them; the Roman church burned their records and accused them of being Gnostic heretics. They tried the same thing with the Hussites, but they were significantly better fighters, and by the time they did it to the Waldensians, the Reformation was already under way.
And now, Christianity is too big to kill, but I'm well aware that the only thing stopping the Papacy from trying again is that they lack the military power.
As I understood it, the Albigensian crusade as a military venture was not as successful in quelling the heresy as the medieval inquisition was. At least the crusade didn’t eliminate catharism as it lingered for a century afterward.
At this point Im waiting for someone to claim covid was synthesized by Constantine at the Council of Nicaea
I dont agree with many of IP's videos concerning interpretation of the Bible. But for videos like these you're the best ! God bless you.
We’re blessed to have him!
Haha. Wow.. It's getting rough out there.
My God, will raping of Constantine ever stop ?
Not until people stop believing Dan Brown.
"Did you know?" Of course I didn't know, because you're wrong!
Even before I watched the video, I knew he would mention CONSTANTINE and blame him. 😆😆
So, dude has a problem with the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic church but then rejects Justin Martyr for not having ecclesiastical authority.
Gnostics and Arians on the whole were not slaughtered.
The test was say Kaiser Kyrie and pay a fee.
Only the Catholics, Coptics, and Orthodox refused.
The refusal brought the heavy hand of government on them., that is why they were uniquely persecuted.
Sincerely in Xto
Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.
1:08 I couldn’t control my laugh at this part.
It's always people who start with "What if I told you...?". :D :D
That forehead slap is feisty.
Yep
The moment the guy said he was doing deep research I was like “okay, you did a google search”
People saying they've done tons of research usually just see stuff on tiktok or the first page of Google
Galatians 5:20 mentions heresies as a work of the flesh. That's way before Justin Martyr.
At the time of Constantine, scholars estimate that around 20% of the empire were already christian. I think that one cannot say for sure that there was not a politic motivation in his move. Nevertheless he have appointed several christian and non christians for important positions which seems to indicate that he did not want to particular promote one group over the other. See these data and more in the short video "a new civilization" in Voitheia Ruc c hannel.
His turn to Christianity occurred outside Rome, where the vast majority was Pagan. If it was a political move he would’ve waited until he got to the East, where most of the Christians were.
20% isn’t enough of an impetus. That’s way too low a number if we’re alleging motivation
false before constantine converted to christianity there was no 20 per cent of christians at all. christians were persecuted. and stop with your "scholars" nobody cares , among scholars you got thoses who spread lies and thoses who spread truth, scholars means nothing at all.
today peoples are brainwash with atheism and secularism so they dont understand that somebody can accept a religion simply because this person believes there is a god and that christianity is true. for secular scholars cannot understand this . they only think power and money , control that's the only criterias they consider . back then everybody believed in God so secular scholars live outside of reality. you have to stop with "scholars " it's ridiculous .scholars means nothing majority of scholars dont know the truth who cares of what they have to say if you dont know the truth you spread lies as a scholar. if you like scholars and you need to idolize some peoples with a title then idolize scholars that spread the truth not the others.
@@thewalruswasjason101 However, they were very, very commited and in Exponential growth.
This TikTok dude must have obtained his theism and history from r/atheism.
Prior to the First Council of Nicaea, there was no Roman Catholic Church. Some of those 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Christian sects did refer to themselves as Gnostics, but not the majority. The term was later applied as a broad brush to cover all those sects that didn't fit well into the Christian Orthodoxy.
Yes as a Torah Observant Messianic Jew I can quite well confirm we are all just Pope following Roman Catholics
Where can I find the Constantine video at 4:17?
Thank you
Dude the sponge bob cut scene had me dying
Constantine didn't even make Catholicism the official religion of the Roman Empire, how did he persecute the gnostics then, for God's sake. Do these people study history at all???
I wouldn't say the Council of Nicaea didn't change Christianity; it cemented certain things that were already widespread. That's a sort of change.
There is a theory that the first gnostic is in acts 8 Simon the magician, in some Hebrew massoratic (can't spell) texts they put Peter crying as he casts him out, knowing the damage he would do.
He's believed to be one of the starters of gnosticism and this is possibly some of the things paul speaks about about devision.
Not a huge amount of theology about it but enough to be a possible and interesting thought.
Ummmm, what🤦♂️🤣? Social media gives people a platform to embarass themselves, unfortunately.
Anytime I see someone say, "I have been reading through tablets" I am going to just assume they are lying.
The Cathars be like: We all died because of the church's idocracy
If they are all dead then how are they able to tell you?
@@firatmengi5715The Cathars were a group of supposed gnostics in southern france and italy. The Church threw a crusade their way and slaughtered them, burning them alive. Whether any such brutality was used against the early gnostics is not known. But the cathars were very much victims of the catholic church. Albeit, no one knows if they were even gnostic.
Who are you responding to with this video? Im trying to find his channel.
Thank you!
Lol I love this channel
The "Gnostics" either crystallized into something more systematic and coherent like Mandaeism over centuries or they completely disappeared altogether as Orthodoxy started becoming better defined and systemized in light of Gnostic challenges.
you know heresy is gonna be wild when they mention council of nicea
That clip’s got more buzzwords than a bee’s dictionary😂😂😂
Let's get together and learn of god so we can argue against those false teachers who scam our fellow believers out of money and not the truth. To teach they should be putting all that money in a Strongs Exhaistive Concordance and a kjv on all believers hands and actually teaching the word of god.. that's true teaching and not scamming for jet airplanes and such. Well the true understanding of tongues will change all that bs.
David Dunning and Justin Kruger called; they’d like their effect back.
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How about posting at least current videos to Rumble??? Your whole catalog would be nice, I like most of it but your 'quantum mind' series was fantastic.
God bless
Is there something the Council of Nicaea didn't do? Man, they had their hands full.
“WhAt If I tOlD yOu!”
No
At this point, IP should just write a book on all these myths being debunked! I’ll buy it asap
What if he was to tell us he done a lot of digging through the Bible, the Sumerian tablets, etc etc? Oh, so he basically read half a Wikipedia page. .
It’s almost like when your group promises immorality and people start dying then you will have problems lol. Also you always post great videos keep up the good work!
By the way, we are still in the process of the second account of creation. The first account was our physical creation. The second account briefly outlines our spiritual development. This does not end until the lord declares that it is done in revelation.