Good evening friend If I show u that kabba is abrahamic and build by adam and the stone was put by adam in this place. and jews were doing piligrimage around the temple in circles, from the bible and jewish tradition will u follow islam? I'm challenging David wood and AP for a debate about mecca in the bible and jewish tradition but no answer. and what about the altars build by abraham and moses and jacob was it stone made?
@@elmajraz6019 The point is that if I follow the same reasoning Allah was a pagan moon God because the symbol of Islam is a moon. Do you see the nonsense? So stop screaming "Christians are pagan!" left and right because some doctrines vaguely resemble other pagan religions. The Trinity is not pagan. Take it or leave it.
You remember that one time where Muhammad claimed you could pray to al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā and Manāt, the three daughters of Allah, but later said that the devil told him to say that? So either Islam has a pagan origin, or Muhammad could not tell the difference between a demon and God.
This is a fabrication and never happened in history... Lol how convenient trying to divert attention from your pagan cult by bringing up forgeries that never happened
@@johnzuma4688 I’m talking about the guy IP responded to. He gave evidence for modalism in other religions rather than trinitarianism. In doing so, he gave evidence for the trinity being unique to Christianity
Thank you for saving my life.. I almost fell into the trap of these always out of context non-Christians. I no longer take what they say as fact- i do my personal research.
God is a spirit JESUS said he who seen me seen that Father & me an my father are one. JESUS CHRIST is GOD almighty I'm an ex Muslim JESUS never preached a religion called Christianity. I came to realise that The holy scriptures is the only truth everything else is from the devil....
@@abadirzulu5249 "never preached a religion called christianity" - well he taught people to follow Him and His commands and his followers are called Christians and He did establish a church and Has guided and protected it for 2000 years so.......
@@justsomevids4541 I hear you buddy but Christianity is not in the holy scripture I know Christian means christ like It's in the book of Acts. Also isn't our body the temple of CHRIST? Didn't God sat be holy
I'm not sure if you knew, but the three starter Pokémon are actually the root cause of the Trinitarian theology. Bulbasaur represents the Father, as plants are seen as producing life. Also Bulbasaur is #1 in the Pokedex. Squirtle represents the Son, as he speaks of being born again through water and spirit. And the Holy Spirit, often depicted as a flame in Pentecost, is represented by Charmander. The fact that these are the first Pokémon you can get is where the Christians got the whole "origin of all things" depiction of God. It's so obvious!
@@theovanrossum8652 Not arrogance per se, but maybe arrogance de facto. Christians believe God exists, and deserves respect, but that the gods do not exist, or to the extent that they are real, are in fact demons who do not deserve the honor or respect they claim in the guise of gods. Whether or not this is true is a question about objective reality. If the objective reality is different from what Christians believe, there might be a case for their arrogance. But acting in accordance with the truth is not arrogant per se.
@@geoff9012 There are so many religions in this world who all think they are have the truth. And you also write Gods with a lower case G. It always strikes me how Christians often wish to convert people and tell them their religion is "wrong". Pagans never bother about that but are often forced to be on the defensive facing iconoclasm and the like.
@@theovanrossum8652 Title vs Position. for example President Lincoln vs Lincoln was the 17th president. Titles are usually capitalized. so when talking the Christian god we are using a title. sorta like how English will say "God Save the Queen" both are proper titles, but a reversal of that would be may the Christian god protect the English queen. Also Christians and Jews use God as a place holder for God's actual name so it gets treated as a proper name. which is why sometimes you see Jewish people Say G-d instead of God. However im sure there is some religious Superiority views in the mix.
The trinity makes so much sense because: Whenever God wants to do something with his almighty he first wills it, then he does it. That’s how God always works, first willing something and then doing it. For example: How does God make it that he is eternal. He does the following. First God wills to be eternal and then he uses the power to realize this will. so the commandment that God gave himself to be eternal has always existed, he never created it, it has always been there. He can’t just create the commandment to be eternal. Also, the power of God which implements this commandment that he is eternal has always existed, he never created it. He can’t just create the power that makes him eternal So these things have always existed: God, the word of God (Jesus) and the power of God that implements the word of God (Holy Spirit) Only God is eternal because to be eternal you have to be omnipotent , that is why the word of God and the power of God that implements his word (Holy Spirit) are God. That’s why the the Bible makes soooo much sense when it says In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. It makes soooo much sense why there HAS TO BE three persons that are one God, and not only one person. If there is an omnipotent being it has to be always triunion otherwise it can’t exist It is one God that is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, Love, holy, creator But like I explained an omnipotent God always has to be triunion-> his word and his power that realizes his word (His Spirit) have to be God too because they are eternal. That means the word of God and the spirit of God are God and thus also eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, Love, Holy, creator--> but And here is the difference between 3 separate Gods and a triunion God the word of God has different tasks than the spirit of God For example the word of God is the wish of God and the spirit of God realizes this wish. The word of God doesn’t realize the wish! 3 different Gods however are something completely different because why would one of these 3 Gods divide their task to the other God when they all are omnipotent and can do whatever they wish. Why would they work together to do stuff when one God is omnipotent and doesn’t need the help of the other That the triunion God divides his tasks between I want it and then I do it has to be like that because it is logical that you always want something first and then you will do that, 2 different tasks. And God, the word and the spirit always work together when doing something (For example I want to create the Earth, then I create the Earth)-> all 3 persons work together to do that, thus they are not 3 separate Gods It makes perfect sense. I am so fascinated by the Bible wow
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Jesus Christ himself taught the concept of the trinity. He told us that the Holy Spirit is God, The Father is God and he himself is God. Their are just too many verses in the New Testament regarding that.
It's ironic that a lot of those who claim the Trinity is pagan believe in a unitarian God (ie that God is a single person). There are a LOT of pagan unitarian gods out there.
@@InspiringPhilosophy it's okay, bibelfaq. You can just ignore the tough comments that directly question the premise of your arguments, and just respond to the comments that fawn all over the opinions that you're presenting as facts. Right, op? Lol 😜
@@elijahcumpton9926 LOL LOL. You right.. But this dude does at time get in the mud with the challenging comments. I dealt with him before on Noah and we went back and forth.
@@oldschool5 Yeah, I went into a debate on a video with him, too, but he literally just bailed the second I asked him a question that he couldn't answer. And he seems to do that a lot. But that's totally on brand for this kind of evangelical... I mean, you can't REALLY be open-minded and well-informed, and also believe some of the stuff in these videos...but it's really really important to pretend. People gotta at least THINK that you're open to criticism lol. But oh boy, no no and no he is not open to any form of criticism.
Trinity-like ideas show up all over the world in different traditions. If reality actually does reflect the trinity, then it is no surprise to find it in other religions, most likely it developed in all traditions as people actually fell out of immediate experience of trinitarian existence, and therefore had to degrade into a belief in stead of just the water one swims in.
Great video. These "arguments" sound strangely familiar to those you debunked on my channel. Almost like the Muslim (on my channel) was just copying and pasting another Muslim, while pretending to have done his own research. :)
It's funny how that Muslim YT channel "ManyProphetsOneMessage was speaking nothing but lies about Christianity which Muslims just love to gobble up thinking he proved something they try so hard to prove that Trinitiranism is Pagan and yet at the same time completely misunderstand what it is. I wonder why?
As a Jew please let me explain the Jewish God to you. The Jewish God ''Jesus '' is not one of the three gods of the Christians. To us Jews, our God is numerically one and not three in one .There is 66 books of a Jewish Library , called the Holy Bible that confirms this even though you are blind to that fact. To us Jews who believe that one God dwelt in Jesus. Jesus the man called this God Father. He even said that the Father indwelt him and it is the Father who did the miracles and not he as a man. As a man Jesus could not walk on water, yet as God he did walk on water. I hope that you may find salvation soon before it is to late and discover who the Jewish Jesus really was. We Jews who believe in Jesus and not the Catholic Jesus. Wish all to come to the Messianic faith of Jesus Christ. Yet we do not force anyone to choose the real Jesus. One can accept any Jesus the want to. Yet Satan does not care in what name you call him, just as long as you worship him. Shalom Dr. Lotan Moshe Ben Kedar Thd.
What Jews don’t believe in Jesus lollllll you killed him because he was spreading the word of god and called himself the one son of god I think you in the wrong religion for salvation my friend
It always amazes me how very little Muslims know what they’re talking about. Like almost every thing out of their mouth is usually a lie or ignorance
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Id say the opposite. IP is coping here. Even the jews say christians are idol worshippers. Its evident by design. Trinity is not monotheism. Anything not monotheism is polytheism
I already knew about the Hindu triune coming way after the Christian trinity but finally someone talked about it!! That’s exactly right; the Hindu trinity came about around the 300 AD regarding the Puranas which is about 200 years after the Christian trinity
@@TheGuiltsOfUs there is a Hindu trinity according to Hinduism. Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer. The concept was known at least by the time of Kalidasa’s poem Kumarasambhava or known as in English Birth of the War God, 4th-5th century.
@@Nick-cb2ht Incorrect the doctorines of the sanatana Trimutri was already established way before in the 3 millinum BCE ERA By Krishna and Vysa they were composad and called upapurnas With tablets placed in modern day Pakistan The texts were written in paper in the 4th and 5th century and brought together by thay time, just as the Torah, Gospels and Quran were all brought together in the 7th Century And even if that was the case the same could be said of the bible being compledted in the 15th century. If you wish to talk futher on this topic we could take it on sometime on Discord or a chatline if you'd like Brother/Sister.
@@itsusi3259 hi, the bible was written no later than 90ad. This is agreed with al scholars worldwide. I don’t know why you think the bible was written in the 15th century, there is no evidence for that The Quran was written in the 7th, the bible again was composed before the end of the first century. Scholars who are atheistic such as Bart ehrman agree, look that up. Regarding the Hindu triune, this did not originate in the 3rd millennium bc, an scholar will tell you that. The concept was known at least by the time of Kalidasa's poem Kumarasambhava or Birth of the War God in English which originated 4th-5th century which post dates the bible by at least a few hundred years. The trimurti collapses the three gods into a single form with three faces. The Christian trinity hence came first. Peace bro.
You do a good job defending Christianity. But there are other religions that predate the bible by thousands of years • Hinduism: The Trimurti consists of three major gods: Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the preserver), and Shiva (the destroyer). • Ancient Egyptian religion: The gods Osiris, Isis, and Horus were sometimes depicted as a trinity representing different aspects of life, death, and rebirth. • Sumerian religion: Anu (sky), Enlil (earth), and Enki (water) were considered major deities forming a sort of trinity representing different elemental powers. • Zoroastrianism: This religion had a concept of a triad of Ahura Mazda, Mithra, and Apam Napat, although the concept doesn't entirely mirror the Christian trinity.
Ahhh... I see what you did there brother. The majority of the people think what you said is true. But your argument has loop holes. And btw. Islam has no symbol. You are very very smart brother. Not many people know that during 300ad there were lots of issues with the belief system, majority of them were trinitarians, especially the Romans who used to be pagans, and there was law to only allow two religions, one is Christianity, and other is paganism, Many of the monotheism and people in Arianism were forced to follow Christianity. Or else they would've been put to death. And the belief system in Arianism and Islam is the same. Co-incidence? No. These are historically accurate. Common among your own scholars. We will bring the truth out. And make everyone realise that what they are doing is wrong. Just because the majority follows something. Doesn't make it correct. Majority of people believed earth was flat. Is it? The whole video is 20 minutes. And he makes very valid points that I have cross checked. And belief in the Trinity existed thousands of years before Christianity came to existence. Why would the previous prophets say worship your lord the god and then suddenly say god is a Trinity and then later Muhammad(pbuh) to come and give the exact same message? I challenge you to dismantle his whole 20 minutes video. I would like to ask you. What would you get by diverting people away from the worship of only god, to a human being who himself quoted the first commandment of the 10 commandments from Moses(pbuh) and also say the father is the only true god and when someone came to him saying good teacher, he recorrected him and said only god is good. What will you get? The only thing you and your followers will get according to the Torah/ your own Bible and Quran is eternal hellfire.
For Muslims we worship one God in heaven but Christians worship human and believe in Trinity and human sacrifice and and divine incarnation in the form of a human being And the symbol of the cross All this is found in pagan beliefs This was not mentioned by any messenger from Adam to Muhammad But it is present in all pagan religions, from Babylonian and Egyptian to Roman and Hinduism beliefs
To all Muslims who do not understand and cannot imagine how the Trinity works technically: It is recommended that you consider an egg as an example. Perhaps this will help clarify things a bit. If the term "egg" in this context does not suffice, then there is probably too little imagination and intelligence to make it worthwhile to engage with your views. Furthermore, it is recommended that you refrain from questioning, discrediting, or mocking another religion besides your own. Show me a sentence in the Quran where Allah urges you or gives you the freedom to judge in such a manner. You know that you are not allowed to do so if you are Muslims in the sense of the holy Quran. Instead, look at yourselves, reconsider your own beliefs, and all the absurd dogmas and customs, and learn the tolerance that others are expected to have towards you and your beliefs. This way, at least you would be decent, ordinary people.
The egg explanation is a heresy of partialism Great job. You just sent against the christian beliefs Quran 5:46 if you are looking for that verse Much love ❤ A fellow muslim
I agree with you with exception that Allah...IS...the moon diety named Lh (Leh). Ancient Southern Arabs use to travel at night to get to their destination. Therefore, they relied the Moon for guidance along their path. The Moon later on came to symbolize guidance to one's path. Al means "The" so Al-Leh or Al-Lah. However, there is another school of thought in regards to Babylonia and Semitic languages in the IL meant God and EL meant God in Hebrew (also Eloah). In like fashion ancient Arabs has ILAH that also means god, thus AL-ILAH which would have been shortened to ALLAH.
@@garethwest9069 I'd love to believe that you were able to explain it but I suspect I'm communicating with a phony masquerading as a "christian". The worst kind of heretic.
@@rf7477 It appears the entity 'R F' is yet again unable to answer a simple challenge to verify it's actual existence. Spambot or cat? Feline, I suspect ...
the trinity is a pagan concept. Throughout the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. This form of worship was also in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity, In the preface to Edward Gibbon’s History of Christianity, we read: “If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief.” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity “is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith.” And The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: “The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan.”That is why, in the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus . . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity, Accurate knowledge of God brings great relief. It frees us from teachings that are in conflict with God’s Word and from organizations that have apostatized. As Jesus said: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”-John 8:32. By honoring God as supreme and worshiping him on his terms, we can avoid the judgment that he will soon bring on apostate Christendom. Instead, we can look forward to God’s favor when this system ends: “The world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.”-1 John 2:17. There is no Trinity in the Bible, it came about afterward as a brain fart in Tertullian's mind.stop hiding the truth to each others Christians y’all going wrong and astray and not following Jesus teaching AT ALL , love it or hate it , even wise Christian say yes it’s pagan and yes Jesus is servant of god and yes church isn’t following any of the commandements and yes you are following in religion just stories and teaching of Paul and unknow writers, so quaran is THE UPDATE to all wat happened , for those who read it with honesty and wiseness they will stunned by it , others will keep faking it from the heart and it was said in the quaran as well ,move on
Even though I don't agree on triniterian ideas, that video is pretty dumb. Also to add the vast majority of Hindus don't follow Trimutri doctrines and rather subscribe to the ideas in the Rigveda that all is Brahman and the multiple devas are either forms controlled by Brahman to hold up reality while another thought is that they are all Brahaman and we project our minds ideas on somthing we see as incomprehensible to our limited mind as brahman trancened all limitations.
@@marschlosser4540 it is part of the mythology of the night mother, but there also different modes as Kali is also related to durga and a few of devas (divine enity). Not to be confused with the rakshasa (demonic enity) kaalikali which is q common mistake online.
@@marschlosser4540 that is Ma Kali the decapitated head is that of the Raktabīja demon. At the end of the last univers there was a giant battle mother Durga seen that Shiva was dead went into a rage and attacked Raktabīja lord of ignorance she transformed into kali with is a representation of the creative and destructive force. All she did the demon tride to reproduce himself by drops of his blood hitting the ground so she caputers his blood after killing him. Then she raged killing all the demons of the underworld. As she stand on shiva he wakes up in q form of a baby calming the destructive feminine force of creation and she turns back into Ma Durga. At that point the end the old univers is dissolved awaiting and all of reality all forms collapse into Brahman and the he awakens from his comic sleep. Then when he falls asleep again the comic dream starts all over again. That is where that form of kali comes from
@@thuggie1 Apologies, but I didn't mean to blaspheme her. But, blasphemes are all the world knows of her. Almost, she sounds like the Uohali Yu, the Eagle Mother Spirit. She's the death of Death. You can see her sign on the flag of Mexico, killing Death, the mother of demons. Walk in beauty
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity: 1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5). 2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
For Muslims we worship one God in heaven but Christians worship human and believe in Trinity and human sacrifice and and divine incarnation in the form of a human being And the symbol of the cross All this is found in pagan beliefs This was not mentioned by any messenger from Adam to Muhammad But it is present in all pagan religions, from Babylonian and Egyptian to Roman and Hinduism beliefs
In Neoplatonism the hypostasis of the soul, the intellect (nous) and "the one" was addressed by Plotinus. In Christian theology, the Holy Trinity consists of three hypostases: Hypostasis of the Father, Hypostasis of the Son, and Hypostasis of the Holy Spirit. We all know Augustine brought neo-platonism concepts to Christianity, including hypostases. So... there is some causality.
@@waynehampson9569 It does not matter, platonism was a huge influence for helenic jews, who were the first converts. Paul himself brought the platonic concept of the soul on 1 Corinthians 15:44, although still under the concept of bodily resurrection (soul sleep). This trinitarian dogma, is the work of sophists. There is no such formula in the new testament besides Matthew 28:19. The other known trinitarian formula in 1 John 5:7 is a later addition not found in the most ancient greek texts or latin translations.
@@daroay The word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible but the concept does. 8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:8,9 Of course Jesus isn't the Father, the would be modalism. for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28 Jesus says the Father is greater than him. There is some ways that Jesus is inferior to the Father? 16Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” 18Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:16-18 Jesus worked on the Sabbath, breaking the Old Testament rules. See the reaction of the Jews. …21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes. 22Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, 23so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.…John 5:21-23 The Father gives authority to Jesus to raise the dead, and has given all judgment to Him. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. As to the Holy Spirit 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.John 14:16,17 The Father gives us another advocate. Notice he is a different person to the Son (Jesus), also notice the word "he". The Holy Spirit is a person. Not a force or "energy". 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.John 14:26 The Holy Spirit will teach us all things. Hardly a thing a force or energy would do. 1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” Acts 5:1-14 Notice how Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit? And in verse 4 says lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. Of course the Holy Spirit isn't the Father, again that would be modalism.
@@waynehampson9569 Bible verses in the gospels can be interpreted as Arrianism or Modalism as well 1. Arrianism In the gospels we see (The father is greater than I). But the most arrianic verse can be seen on Galatians 4:14 where Paul refers to Jesus as an Angel. Or combine 1 Corinthians 1:24 and Proverbs 8. On proverbs Wisdom (sophia in greek, female word) is an Hypostases (an aspect of God with an identity of itself) and Jesus on Corinthians 1:24 is the incarnation of that wisdom. In the book of John (written later than the epistles of Paul) Jesus is the Word of God (in greek Logos, which is a masculine word). Another hypostases, but in this case a male hypostases is used. 1. Modalism The Book of John can be interpreted as Modalism (I am) or (My lord and my God). Or Isaiah 9:6 where the messiah is the everlasting father. So what does the church did? Create a paradox, a paradox of Arrianism+Modalism where both are right, and both are wrong. The same they did with the nature of Christ being fully God and fully Human. By the way, that is called as well "hypostatic union". All this is the work of sophists that tried to reconcile both views, because the bible validates and invalidates both views! In my humble opinion, the best solution is the theology of Servet or the theology of Swedenborg. Not the Cerberus that the trinitarians created.
@@daroay Galatians 4:14 doesn't say that Jesus is an angel. Anyways Arianism was condemned as heresy at the council of Nicea in 325 and modalism was condemned as heresy at the council of Constantinople in 381. As for Swedenborg he sounds like a gnostic, putting his visions and dreams above scripture. He also spiritualizes the second coming of Jesus. He denies that it is a literal, physical event.
I've encountered this argument before, though another example I was given was Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. I give the same answer now as I did then, "Similar doesn't necessarily mean the same." They like to ignore the fact that the cultic religions were all in competition with Christianity and looking for whatever they could find to draw people to them. That some of them chose to counterfeit the Trinity shows both their level of desperation and their ignorance of our faith. It also shows that they're following Satan, as they can only counterfeit. That Muslims are using this argument is both amusing and sad.
Every Muslim and Jew knows from a Christian that he is a pagan who erects statues, drinks the blood of a god, sacrifices a god, eats animals, is unclean, and drinks the blood of an animal, and there is no circumcision, which was legislated by Abraham, a monotheist who believes in a god who has three. You are from pagan roots.
@Salem Ahmed thank you for your reply. I'd forgotten about this comment, so it's good to be reminded from time to time. Allow me to address a few things that you may not know. First, I practice Messianic Judaism, which is the modern version of the Judaism practiced by Jesus' followers. This includes belief in the Trinity, which doesn't derive from pagan roots. Second, I can show you the Trinity in the first sixteen chapters of the Torah if you like. There are multiple references to three distinct figures who all possess divine attributes and prerogatives. Your choice. As someone who practices Messianic Judaism, I not only celebrate the same feast days and holy days as mainline Jews, but I also keep Kosher, honor the Sabbath, and live according to the Torah. This is exactly what Jesus and His Apostles intended, as demonstrated by their own well documented keeping of the Law even after Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension. I should also note, though this is rather personal, that I am very much circumcised. In fact, the only people who purport to follow Jesus, but don't typically undergo circumcision, are the Catholics. Do what you will with that. Now, I have a question for you. Does God keep His promises?
@@engmed4400 I apologize, I didn't know, but not good with the Trinity God beware the wrath of one God. I seek refuge with Allah from the wrath of God. God guide me to Islam
@Salem Ahmed you have nothing to apologize for. How could you have known what I'm about? No worries, friend. However, I must ask, do you base your opinion of the Trinity on the contents of the Qur'an?
Lol, the trinity is pagan to the core, there are no consensus issues on it, it's blatantly 3 gods with at least 2 having distinct minds (i.e. Jesus [as] not knowing the hour of his return). Your video even played an ad for Hindus collecting money to treat a skin disease their cows are facing.
No muslim worships Muhammad, and he never tell anyone to worship anyone but God and was persecuted for it. Christians today worship a man and call him God, make idols of God and believe God is three in one, breaking all the rules of the Mosaic law which is why Jews view CHristians as Idolators and cannot enter churches whereas they can enter mosques.
@@gustavmahler1466 different translations have different words other than worship which have similar meanings but neccesarily worshipping someone as a literal God.
There is a direct causal link but not to the traditions you mentioned. The direct link is to Platonism. Trinitarian Christianity is largely Platonism + Judaism. The most theologically significant sentence in the New Testament is John 1:1 and if there was a Platonic Bible then it could also be the opening line of it. You don't need to change a syllable.
Just the fact that the comments are so heavily censored by him is proof that he doesn’t want to understand or let other people understand the trinity. Without lies Islam dies
As a (non-trinitarian) Christian it makes me sad to see that many of the supposed Christ-followers in the comments behave less respectfully than the Muslims they are writing to.
You're trying to legitimize the doctrines of men by philosophizing & claiming fallacies, yet never addressing the main dilemmas of Christian doctrines. If your Christian doctrines were truly divine, they would have been clearly declared in your holy book by the very god that you claim is the true god. This is absent as well as the major portion of your holy bible, i.e. the Jewish scriptures (OT), seems to contradict your Christian doctrines. The only applicable fallacies are those employed by Christianity to justify its man-made doctrines by hook or crook.
The trinity denies the death of Christ. God can’t die. If Jesus is god then he didn’t die, which means there is no resurrection (the whole point of the gospel)
It is pagan. We don't need to show it. Your fellow christian say it. Your priests and pastors said it. Your bible scholars said it.. and they are all come to the truth, submit their will to the will of Allah.
Al-Lat is a mythic figure of great antiquity, one of the trinity of desert Goddesses named in the Koran, Al-Uzza and Menat being the others. Like the Greek Demeter, Al-Lat represented the earth and its fruits; it follows that She also ruled human generation. Al-Lat was worshiped at Ta’if near Mecca in the form of a great uncut block of white granite, which Her worshipers addressed as ‘My Lady’ or Rusa (‘good fortune’). According to Islamic sources, the tribe of Banu Thaqif in Ta'if especially held reverence to her. In Islamic tradition, her worship ended when her temple in Ta'if was demolished on the orders of Muhammad.
@@Йосип-ю3г Were you born stupid? Tens of Millions of Arab Christians call the Father, Allah. The Arabic bible has the name Allah for the Father. Jesus himself spoke Aramaic & guess what he must have called God? Alāhā or Elah (Educate yourself before looking like a fool)
The moon represents the guidance of God on the path through life. The new moon also represents the Muslim calendar, which has 12 months each of 29 or 30 days. the Islamic lunar calendar, the crescent of the new moon (hilāl) defines many aspects of Muslim religious life, ranging from the date of the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina (ḥajj), to the beginning and end of Ramaḍān, the month of fasting (ṣawm).
What did you talk about the moon symbol? You do not know the origin of the moon symbol, it was not Muhammad's life even once, but Uthman pierced the first crescent after the conquest of Constantinople. There was a mosque and a church. It is not known who dismissed Othman. Pierce the strips of the cross knowing that it is a church and the crescent moon. I know it is a mosque. A Christian of 100% pagan origin, everything you know is true that they are pagan roots
The trinity is but an early, good established fraud with roots in the didache. Everything defending it has no validity. Under more serious scrutiny, it falls apart. Why do you people keep discounting unitarian christianity?
everything you think is true and supporting the trinity is mistranslation or corruption. It's NOT taught at all by Scriptures - but it's pulled upon it by Greek and Pagan influences.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 It is taught by scripture. The ones who tried to corrupt the scripture held to heretical beliefs like Unitarianiam, Modalism, etc. They are the real pagans wanting to corrupt biblical teachings like the Trinity.
so what do I do at this point? You're in total denial of reality. The hebrews never taught anything like a trinity and I don't care what Dr. Heiser twists into two Yahewhs, because he is, believing or not, incompetently reading the passage. Everything trinitarian is a provable corruption of the underlying idea and text. Show me any passage and it's either a textual variant or translated skewed towards a fake trinity.
"It is also written in your law that THE TESTIMONY OF TWO MEN IS TRUE. I am One who bears witness of Myself, AND the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me." Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” - John 8:17-19 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have NOT LIED TO MEN BUT GOD.” - Acts 5:3-4 Three Persons = One God. Thanks. For. Playing.
We already have AND we still believe that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the final message of god and jesus (whom god sent to earth) was a great prophet and his moral actions are greatly moral and nothing with it wrong, and if you as the bible says to you wouldn't be surprised why many a bible is death threat to humanity 😂😂😂
Thank you so much for making this response. It's very difficult to reply to claims that involve other religions, cuz I'm uninformed. However the onus is on this Muslim, here that is making the claim that Christianity's Trinity is the same concept as the Hindus' (or whoever's). What matters is holding my ground for my faith in God, as he is revealed to us.
2:50 direct causal link is the nicean creed and emperor Constantine. The Roman’s abandoned their gods to worship 1 God? The trinity is very much inline with pagan beliefs. 3 in 1 is right up their alley, the pagans just accepted trinity.
There are hundreds of books out there about the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Why is it so difficult for some to actually read 100 pages before posting these weird associations?
It’s simple. If Christianity is monotheistic then Jesus was a man. And there is no spirit. But if you’re claiming Jesus is God and the spirit then you have to do some real mental gymnastics. Considering Jesus died, so did god die? Who took his soul? The angel of death? While he was dead who ruled and maintained the universe? Did god leave a vice god to rule? When mary was pregnant did god develop in the womb for 9 months? Did mary change gods diapers after he pooped and did she breast feed him? Is mary a greater god since she nourished god into adulthood? Did she ever spank or scold god for misbehaving? Did mary worship Jesus? Her own son? Is mary gods mother? Is she a greater god than god to give birth to god? Did god need an umbilical cord while in her womb? Does god have blood? You see I can keep going. You need to stop the mental gymnastics and call a spade a spade. You don’t need to use terms like “x fallacy” to sound smart just so you can sleep better at night. You can use simple logic to determine it’s not the truth. There’s nothing wrong with being wrong. And there’s no merit in holding on to a wrong belief just because your parents, family, and friends do. Islam isn’t here as a new religion to replace Christianity. It’s here to correct the misunderstandings and put you back on the path towards God, and back to the original message of “there is only one god, He does not have offsprings nor is He an offspring. He has no partners, He is the creator and everything else in existence is His creation”. Islam isn’t your enemy. It’s only here to bring you back to God. So trust your instincts, stop pretending Christianity makes sense. Jesus is a great prophet in Islam. And that makes infinite more sense than Jesus being god or his son. So i invite you to Islam. It’s really easy. You just have to believe and state that belief out loud. And that’s it.
Some of your questions are looking for conclusions that are mere answers that sound iffy, even though you know exactly how it works, so Idk why you are asking them. For example you say “If Jesus is God and he died, then did God die?” *Yes* “Did Mary birth God?“ *Yes* But let me clarify this, Mary did not birth God IN THE SENSE that she brung the Father or the Holy Spirit or the divine nature of Jesus into existence. She is the mother of God IN THE SENSE that she birthed the flesh of Jesus, who is God. Thats it. Its that simple. Remember, understand the SENSE that we mean this. God died IN THE SENSE that his Spirit separated from his flesh. NOT IN THE SENSE that Jesus’ divine nature stopped existing or he was killed out of his own power. She never spanked God for misbehaving because Jesus was sinless. Jesus did do normal human and child things, because like how he is fully God, he was also fully man. Fully human and fully divine
Does the Bible say anything about the Trinity? Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The word “trinity” is a term theologians gave it to describe what THEY FOUND IN SCRIPTURE. The trinity is infact in scripture, and I can give you all the evidence of it inside the bible if you ask to, but right now im not in the mood, unless you reply asking for it. And yes, the Lord God is one. One God
@@d.rey5743 "If God sent himself to earth as Jesus, who was reigning from heaven during that time? And who raised Jesus from the dead? Who was He praying to? Himself?" Uh, exactly our point. Read you comment back slowly to yourself. And you are claiming WE are the cult? Because we do not believe that "God" sent Himself to die for our sins, so He could then raise Himself up and prepare a Kingdom for Himself where He will sit on His own right hand to rule and reign with His people, all while not doing His own will but the will of Him who sent Him....His Father...or I mean, His will...wait a minute...This is NONSENSE. We are not denying anything other than the absolute QUAGMIRE that is the Trinitarian doctrine. You HAVE to call it a miracle, otherwise, you might have to explain it. Which obviously, can't be done as per your comment. We do not believe Messiah prayed to himself, we do not believe Messiah raised himself up, we do not believe that the Messiah will sit on the right hand of HIMSELF to rule. We believe what the scripture says. John 14:28: My Father is greater than I." John 5:30: By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.We do not believe we have to do mental gymnastics in order to explain the Son's relationship with the Father. It was MAN who came up with the Trinity, not scripture. The Messiah didn't believe it, the apostles didn't believe it, it was only hundreds of years AFTER messiah that the Trinity finally gained some foot hold. Even then it was hardly unanimous. And obviously back then being in the doctrinal minority in the Church was a quick way to be exiled, or killed so it isn't like there was even much of a debate. The Trinity is nothing but proof of the Messiah's warning to the pharisees in Matt 15:7-9 Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied rightly concerning you, saying, 8'This people honors Me with the lips, but their heart is kept far away from Me. 9And in vain they worship Me, TEACHING AS DOCTRINE THE PRESCEPTS OF MEN. You will not find the Trinity in the text of the scriptures. Period. Even the go to verses like 1 John 5:7 are KNOWN additions to the word.
@@sean6003 1 John 5:7 doesn’t even prove the trinity. It is compatible with modalism. It is a low teir argument but there are much better arguments in the bible. This is Jesus being God in the bible. I have even more biblical evidence but i’ll give these pieces. Jesus is God. Jesus uses a divine name that God used in Exodus 3:14 to himself in John 8:58 after the jews asked him in John 8:57 how he can know Abraham if he wasn’t even 50 years old yet. The jews then want to stone Jesus for saying this in verse 59. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 "[1] For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our fathers were all under the cloud and they all passed through the sea; [2] and they all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] and they all ate the same spiritual food, [4] and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ." This is about the Israelites nourishing from God, who is revealed as Christ here. (Do not confuse this with Jesus only being an anti-type of the rock that Moses struck for water). In Deuteronomy 32, you see God repeatedly being referred to as the rock who bore Israel and took them to the wilderness and Paul is saying that Christ was that rock; that foundation. "Rock" in the bible usually symbolizes a foundation. So God (Christ) was the foundation for the Israelites' journey since he was why they were even surviving in the wilderness and was the one that freed them and fed them and is leading them to the land. Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and just is He." Deuteronomy 32:15 "But Jeshurun became fat and kicked-- You have become fat, thick, and obstinate- Then he abandoned God who made him, And rejected the Rock of his salvation." Deuteronomy 32:18 "You forgot the Rock who fathered you, And forgot the God who gave you birth. This is undeniable evidence from the bible that Jesus is God. I can give more. Acts 7:59, before Stephen died from the stoning, he said to JESUS, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” Not only is he praying to Jesus, but he is using language from Psalm 31:5, which says “Into Your hand I entrust my spirit; You have redeemed me, Lord, GOD OF TRUTH.” Even more verses. 1 John 1:1-2. “We proclaim to you the one who existed FROM THE BEGINNING, whom we have heard and SEEN. We SAW him WITH OUR OWN EYES and TOUCHED HIM WITH OUR OWN HANDS. He is THE WORD of LIFE. This one who is LIFE ITSELF revealed to us and we have SEEN HIM. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who IS eternal life. He was WITH the Father and then he revealed himself to us.” These are not my words, these are the words from John in his first letter. He is talking about Christ, and he is talking about the one who existed from the beginning, who is “the WORD (John 1:1) of life and revealed himself to us and WAS PHYSICALLY TOUCHED AND SEEN. This is obviously about God and this is obviously not about the Father.
@@sean6003 Before I prove the Holy Spirit is God, let me answer Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah 40:25. Deuteronomy 6:4 says God is one. Yes. One being. If you want to not only prove that God is one God but also one person, then you cannot establish that with this one verse. God is one yes, and that one God has three persons who are who he is. Isaiah 40:25 is simply talking about no one in the world or any elohim in the spiritual realm being as equal as God, which I just proved Jesus was. Again, verse is too vague for you to proof text me that this also applies to the persons of God, so these are weak arguments. The Holy Spirit being God: 2 Corinthians 3:17-18. “Now the Lord IS THE Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, THERE IS FREEDOM. So all of us who have had the veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord, who is the Spirit, MAKES US MORE AND MORE LIKE HIM AS WE ARE CHANGED INTO HIS GLORIOUS IMAGE.” First, it says “The Lord IS the Spirit.” It doesn’t just say the Lord has a Spirit, or even has the Spirit, but it says the Lord IS *THE* (which would the Holy Spirit, not just any spirit) Spirit. RIGHT AFTER saying “The Lord IS the Spirit” it says “where the Spirit OF THE LORD.” So the Lord HAS a Spirit and the Lord IS also the Spirit. It also says that where the Spirit of the Lord is, “there is freedom.” Is that not exactly what Jesus said about himself in John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed” and John 8:32? Now Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not the same person. They share the same one divine nature and being but their persons are not identical, but both the Son and the Spirit “setting [you] free” can be explained by the Holy Spirit being the Spirit of Christ (Galatians 4:6). Finally, it says that the Spirit makes us “more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” This sounds fimiliar. Genesis 1:26: “Let US make man in OUR *IMAGE*.” The image of God, who includes Christ and the Spirit. Acts 5:3-4. Who were they lying to? First it says they lied to God and then right after it says they lied to the Holy Spirit. Psalm 104:30 and Job 33:4 proves the Holy Spirit is the creator. I already proved the Holy Spirit was God using scripture. If you reply further, I can include scripture proving the Holy Spirit is personal and a person of the trinity and not in a modalist way, in fact I can refute modalism using scripture.
@@ajjony4866 I recommend you to read my replies to this other non-trinitarian. I gave multiple biblical proof that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. Read it 🥱😉
Would love a video or two about the real supporting evidence that Islam was derived from paganism in some aspects and what verifiable evidence there is for this.
Forget about trinity, why you worshipping a statue? if yes, why you should be a Abrahmic religion? Hindu believes in incarnation, you are doing the same, so you are pagans and not the people of the book!
We don’t worship a statue. We symbolize our religion with the cross which is a direct recollection of the sacrifice of Jesus. You however just dance around and pray to a literal rock icon from a pagan temple with not a single mention in the Bible
It's not a stretch to conclude that the first Christians at least took influence from the examples in this video in how they thought about God. Jews (ie, the first Christians) have always been a very educated and cosmopolitan group of people. It wouldn't be the first time they borrowed ideas from other religions. To say that they developed the idea of the trinity completely independent of these other influences...well, it wouldn't be impossible, but I find it unlikely.
@inspiring philosophy why did you bring it back to the association falacy of moon worship at the end of the video. Is that your outgoing message??? You should rename yourself inspiring ignorance or inspiring blasphemy. Or even better inspiring association fallacies. I usually like your videos, but you have to be more careful you don’t know what ignorant minds could be misinterpreting your words my brother.
I don't think it's pagan because it's not described as three gods, but as God in three forms. It's similar to the polytheistic deities but it's just cultural similarity, not theological. The universe always has the same patterns. You can see the "trinity" in the Old Testament, describing God as; The angel (messenger) of the Lord, and as the spirit of the Lord, but it's talking about God himself in different categories. Not the same as the gods.
Ah great.....I recognised your voice straight away from the Zeitgiest debunk video. I love how you show the sources. Although its not an academic arguement, even if there was a trinity concept in Pagan beliefs....Satan could have always imitated!. But also there is clear evidence alot of the examples came Post-christianity
Bible Trinity concept is Borrowing from Vedic Hari Om Tat Sat concept Sat means Prajna/ Truth/ Unmanifest Supreme Reality/Nirguna Brahman. Tat means God manifest Himself as Holy Divine Form/ Saguna Brahman/God Visible Form. Om means Word of Creation/NaadBramh/Word of God. In the beginning was Word/Om and Word/Om with God/Sat.Word/Om is God/Sat.. Hari means Narayan/Krishna In Hinduism we say Hari Om Tat Sat means praise the Supreme Lord/ Hari. Gospel of John Lines is copied from Vedas.Christian Trinity founded after council of Nicea.
I can tell you where the trinity didn't come from. The old testament. Israel God's witness worships one God alone. Show me the trinity in Isaiah, and I might consider becoming trinitarian.
@@barri0_993 Thanks brother, it's not a real question it's a challange for christians to actually start reading it and finding true monotheism in the book of Isaiah.
@@jasonstewart7834 What is monotheism? From the word of God he is describe as 3 seperate individuals, but is one and the same God. Just like God made man in his image body, spirit, soul. God is Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit. See ya brother, not looking to start a arguement is not for me to convince, I'm just a sower it is God who does the watering.
The channel's name says it all in that philosophy is from man's thinking not God's - One is clearly Higher and far more supreme, so it's not surprising that the mentality given here falls short of that
The Father יהוה and His Son יהושע are not a Trinity, they are ÈLOHYM (אלוהים). Scripture proves that they are not a Trinity. 1 Corinthians 8:6 "for us there is one Elohim, the Father, from whom all came and for whom we live, and one Master יהושע Messiah, through whom all came and through whom we live." Both the Father יהוה and His Son are Spirit. John 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and Truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. 24 “EL is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in Spirit and Truth.” Galatians 4:6 "And because you are sons, EL has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
all that nonesense aside tho, where does the bible teach a triune God? ive tried to find this doctrine in scripture but cant find it. scripture appears to denounce the idea of a trinity from what i see.. the Lord Jesus is the Spirit based on 1st and 2nd corinthians which would be opposed to the goat diagram of the trinity you flashed on screen.. im with you on a lot of things ive seen of yours but this trinity doctrine i still wonder where is it coming from? everyone that says they have scripture have to read into the passages what they are not saying.. there is one God, the Father..and one Lord, Jesus the Christ and the one Lord is the Spirit.. what i see in scripture is the human soul of Gods son was glorified and made one Spirit with the Father. and that is why to denounce either of the two is to denounce the other by default.. the holy spirit isnt another person of God. He is the Life of the son Glorified with the Fathers Spirit or person. one God and one Lord. to deny Father and Son is to be damned not to deny a trinity.. we have no right to add to what is written.. and thats the only way one can support that doctrine scripturally, is to add to the meaning and basically you end up with Hath God really said.. man that sounds familiar hmm
"It is also written in your law that THE TESTIMONY OF TWO MEN IS TRUE. I am One who bears witness of Myself, AND the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me." Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” - John 8:17-19 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have NOT LIED TO MEN BUT GOD.” - Acts 5:3-4 Three Persons = One God.
@@garethwest9069 nothing about that said God is 3 person you are adding to the the book. The Bible says clearly without adding to it that there is one God and one Lord who is the one mediator who is the spirit. The testimony of all creation is 2 that become one adding a 3rd is abnormal to any intimate relationship. It doesn't say God was messiah, it says God was in messiah.. so adding to the word.. you are misleading and confusing people.. the Bible NOWHERE says God is 3 nor does it teach that..
@@garethwest9069 the Father and son became one the same way man and woman do.. messiah said the Father was greater than He just as scripture says the man is the stronger or greater vessel over the woman.. both made of the same substance but one came out of the other.. the union between the two is the Holy Spirit.. the Holy Spirit is the Father and son glorified in one..
Trinity = ONE !! Like body + mind + soul! Not 3 but only ONE !! Trinity are not 3 gods as Allah believes! *And that in the 7th century!* Or 3 persons as the Dawa people claim because they don't even believe they can sell someone the wrong view of Allah in the Koran!
@@foresteagle181 And the confusion is justified. If the Trinity could be explained, it would be a human construct. That is just what makes the Trinity eternal. It's not really explainable. We can use pictures to describe it, but other than that we can only marvel. And that has to be the case when we stand before a God who, as Creator, surpasses us ontologically.
@@godlymike1070 yeah I've watched them for a year or two real nice guy very calm he speaks from his heart I feel. Thanks for reminding us to tune in to him..thanks take care stay well during this pandemic
0:44 No, Islam deriving its customs and practises from pre-Islamic Arabia is what means it comes from paganism, not just an association with the symbol of the moon. 😂
Jewish rabbis in Jewish scholarships tell you Muslims worship one true God of Abraham and Moses and Christians are pure polity us so I don’t know what you’re talking about because trinity is a pagan beliefs
That can also be done with christianity. The idea of sacrificing or offering something to a deity was long there for example. The common response is that those pagan religions inherited this practice from a prior true religion (maybe the religion of noah or some other prophet or maybe adam himself for example). This response works for both islam and judaism and christianity.
I love this aspect of mohameddanism: unwillingness to learn ANYTHING about yours and other religions and absolute willingness to construct any lie that will support your cause.
That's the thing, they can't. The lynch pin of the Muslim faith is that Allah revealed himself to the Jewish people, and Jesus was the Messiah yet only human and didn't die. Over time the Jews and christians corrupted their faiths, so Allah then revealed himself to Muhammed to correct this. If they admit the bible is not corrupted, they are essentially admitting their faith is nonsense. And if they leave their faith, they are to be executed. It's life or death for them.
@@gustavmahler1466 and you don't have the originals of Aristotle's work and the Torah was previously transmited orally before being written in the original texts we don't have, it doesn't mean we are now gonna believe the torah is fake and say that Aristotle's never existed. Or Plato. Or Socrates. Or Budda. Also, the stories about muhammad were also transmited orally in the first 200 years. And after that, we can't be sure if what they wrote after was real or not, while the first writings about Christ surged about the years 70s.
Muslims:"The Trinity is not in the Bible"🤓🤡 The Trinity does not divide God into three parts. The Bible is clear that all three Persons are each one hundred percent God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. For example, it says of Christ that “in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9).
@@BriannalanglandThen why millions of millions of muslims go to Mecca each year? Aren’t you supposed to go at least once in your life if you have the opportunity and resources to go? I am not Christian but saying that the Kabba is not important in islam is with all respect laughable. Dude Hajj is literal the fifth and last pillar of Islam, what do you mean it is not a fundamental belief lol.
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It’s not just Muslims who think that trinity is a paganism.
ask any Rabbi and they will tell you .
Ok, and? What's your point
Islam is shitty stupid paganism...trinity is existential reality. The atoms has trinity the whole cycle of life has trinity.
Ask any reasonable theologian
Say those praying to a rock in a former pagan temple.
I'm sorry, pray to or pray towards?
Do we say Kaaba Akbar or Allah Akbar?
Good evening friend
If I show u that kabba is abrahamic and build by adam and the stone was put by adam in this place. and jews were doing piligrimage around the temple in circles, from the bible and jewish tradition will u follow islam? I'm challenging David wood and AP for a debate about mecca in the bible and jewish tradition but no answer.
and what about the altars build by abraham and moses and jacob was it stone made?
@@elmajraz6019 Why is it necessary to consult a rock when considering where you pray in the first place?
@@elmajraz6019 The point is that if I follow the same reasoning Allah was a pagan moon God because the symbol of Islam is a moon. Do you see the nonsense? So stop screaming "Christians are pagan!" left and right because some doctrines vaguely resemble other pagan religions. The Trinity is not pagan. Take it or leave it.
@@Longshanks1690 the question is, who consulted a rock? We consult Allah, the Lord of the Kaaba itself.
You remember that one time where Muhammad claimed you could pray to al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā and Manāt, the three daughters of Allah, but later said that the devil told him to say that? So either Islam has a pagan origin, or Muhammad could not tell the difference between a demon and God.
Or a combination of the two.
Modern Muslims will try their best to cover that up, and they say it never happened and that it's just a fabrication.
@@adamstewart9052 They only started to claim that once christians started to ask questions about that
This is a fabrication and never happened in history... Lol how convenient trying to divert attention from your pagan cult by bringing up forgeries that never happened
There are also Hadiths that talk about how Mohamed was bewitched by black magic and saw/felt things that didn't really happen
“Trinity is pagan”… *gives evidence for why the trinity, as opposed to modalism, is a uniquely Christian idea.*
I agree there is no Trinity in the Bible this is a liar unfortunately
Have you come across the concept of the Trinity (ie One God consisting of three persons) in any other religion?
@@gustavmahler1466 Thank you for your opinion. So you believe that the Trinity is modified tritheism? Now all you have to is prove that.
@@gustavmahler1466 but that’s not what the trinity is.
@@johnzuma4688 I’m talking about the guy IP responded to. He gave evidence for modalism in other religions rather than trinitarianism. In doing so, he gave evidence for the trinity being unique to Christianity
Thank you for saving my life.. I almost fell into the trap of these always out of context non-Christians. I no longer take what they say as fact- i do my personal research.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 so why is Jesus called God in John 20:28 yet distinct from the Father?
God is a spirit JESUS said he who seen me seen that Father & me an my father are one. JESUS CHRIST is GOD almighty I'm an ex Muslim JESUS never preached a religion called Christianity. I came to realise that
The holy scriptures is the only truth everything else is from the devil....
@@abadirzulu5249 "never preached a religion called christianity" - well he taught people to follow Him and His commands and his followers are called Christians and He did establish a church and Has guided and protected it for 2000 years so.......
@@justsomevids4541 I hear you buddy but Christianity is not in the holy scripture I know Christian means christ like
It's in the book of Acts. Also isn't our body the temple of CHRIST? Didn't God sat be holy
@@abadirzulu5249 whats ur definition of christianity?
I'm not sure if you knew, but the three starter Pokémon are actually the root cause of the Trinitarian theology. Bulbasaur represents the Father, as plants are seen as producing life. Also Bulbasaur is #1 in the Pokedex. Squirtle represents the Son, as he speaks of being born again through water and spirit. And the Holy Spirit, often depicted as a flame in Pentecost, is represented by Charmander. The fact that these are the first Pokémon you can get is where the Christians got the whole "origin of all things" depiction of God. It's so obvious!
Exactly! Look instead to the original, first and only Pokémon: Rhydon.
😂😂 😂 genius
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Incredible, wow you just disproved Christianity in one paragraph 💀
As a huge nintendo fan, this is awesome lol
Join us again next week when we'll hear Michael Jones say, "No, the Christian God is not Pagan, just because Pagans believed in gods."
I always wonder why Christians insist of writing God with a capital G but Gods with a lower case G. Is this arrogance?
@@theovanrossum8652 Not arrogance per se, but maybe arrogance de facto.
Christians believe God exists, and deserves respect, but that the gods do not exist, or to the extent that they are real, are in fact demons who do not deserve the honor or respect they claim in the guise of gods.
Whether or not this is true is a question about objective reality. If the objective reality is different from what Christians believe, there might be a case for their arrogance. But acting in accordance with the truth is not arrogant per se.
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There are so many religions in this world who all think they are have the truth. And you also write Gods with a lower case G. It always strikes me how Christians often wish to convert people and tell them their religion is "wrong". Pagans never bother about that but are often forced to be on the defensive facing iconoclasm and the like.
@@theovanrossum8652 Title vs Position. for example President Lincoln vs Lincoln was the 17th president. Titles are usually capitalized. so when talking the Christian god we are using a title. sorta like how English will say "God Save the Queen" both are proper titles, but a reversal of that would be may the Christian god protect the English queen.
Also Christians and Jews use God as a place holder for God's actual name so it gets treated as a proper name. which is why sometimes you see Jewish people Say G-d instead of God.
However im sure there is some religious Superiority views in the mix.
Trinitarian christianity is pagan and will continue to be called such!
Inspiringphilosophy, I am finally glad that someone has finally refuted that video.
The trinity makes so much sense because:
Whenever God wants to do something with his almighty he first wills it, then he does it. That’s how God always works, first willing something and then doing it.
For example: How does God make it that he is eternal. He does the following.
First God wills to be eternal and then he uses the power to realize this will.
so the commandment that God gave himself to be eternal has always existed, he never created it, it has always been there. He can’t just create the commandment to be eternal. Also, the power of God which implements this commandment that he is eternal has always existed, he never created it. He can’t just create the power that makes him eternal
So these things have always existed:
God, the word of God (Jesus) and the power of God that implements the word of God (Holy Spirit)
Only God is eternal because to be eternal you have to be omnipotent , that is why the word of God and the power of God that implements his word (Holy Spirit) are God.
That’s why the the Bible makes soooo much sense when it says
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
It makes soooo much sense why there HAS TO BE three persons that are one God, and not only one person.
If there is an omnipotent being it has to be always triunion otherwise it can’t exist
It is one God that is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, Love, holy, creator
But like I explained an omnipotent God always has to be triunion-> his word and his power that realizes his word (His Spirit) have to be God too because they are eternal. That means the word of God and the spirit of God are God and thus also eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, Love, Holy, creator--> but
And here is the difference between 3 separate Gods and a triunion God
the word of God has different tasks than the spirit of God
For example the word of God is the wish of God and the spirit of God realizes this wish. The word of God doesn’t realize the wish!
3 different Gods however are something completely different because why would one of these 3 Gods divide their task to the other God when they all are omnipotent and can do whatever they wish. Why would they work together to do stuff when one God is omnipotent and doesn’t need the help of the other
That the triunion God divides his tasks between I want it and then I do it has to be like that because it is logical that you always want something first and then you will do that, 2 different tasks. And God, the word and the spirit always work together when doing something (For example I want to create the Earth, then I create the Earth)-> all 3 persons work together to do that, thus they are not 3 separate Gods
It makes perfect sense. I am so fascinated by the Bible wow
What did rabbi yeshua know of the trinity?
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Jesus Christ himself taught the concept of the trinity. He told us that the Holy Spirit is God, The Father is God and he himself is God. Their are just too many verses in the New Testament regarding that.
It's ironic that a lot of those who claim the Trinity is pagan believe in a unitarian God (ie that God is a single person). There are a LOT of pagan unitarian gods out there.
Haha, awesome video! I'm working on a video about the trinity right now and can already feel those comments coming... 😅
Lol, yep
@@InspiringPhilosophy it's okay, bibelfaq. You can just ignore the tough comments that directly question the premise of your arguments, and just respond to the comments that fawn all over the opinions that you're presenting as facts.
Right, op? Lol 😜
@@elijahcumpton9926 LOL LOL. You right.. But this dude does at time get in the mud with the challenging comments. I dealt with him before on Noah and we went back and forth.
@@oldschool5 Yeah, I went into a debate on a video with him, too, but he literally just bailed the second I asked him a question that he couldn't answer. And he seems to do that a lot. But that's totally on brand for this kind of evangelical...
I mean, you can't REALLY be open-minded and well-informed, and also believe some of the stuff in these videos...but it's really really important to pretend. People gotta at least THINK that you're open to criticism lol. But oh boy, no no and no he is not open to any form of criticism.
@@elijahcumpton9926 I got you.. Tell me the question you asked him.. Let me hear it.. or read it
Trinity-like ideas show up all over the world in different traditions. If reality actually does reflect the trinity, then it is no surprise to find it in other religions, most likely it developed in all traditions as people actually fell out of immediate experience of trinitarian existence, and therefore had to degrade into a belief in stead of just the water one swims in.
Great video. These "arguments" sound strangely familiar to those you debunked on my channel. Almost like the Muslim (on my channel) was just copying and pasting another Muslim, while pretending to have done his own research. :)
It's funny how that Muslim YT channel "ManyProphetsOneMessage was speaking nothing but lies about Christianity which Muslims just love to gobble up thinking he proved something they try so hard to prove that Trinitiranism is Pagan and yet at the same time completely misunderstand what it is.
I wonder why?
As a Jew please let me explain the Jewish God to you. The Jewish God ''Jesus '' is not one of the three gods of the Christians. To us Jews, our God is numerically one and not three in one .There is 66 books of a Jewish Library , called the Holy Bible that confirms this even though you are blind to that fact. To us Jews who believe that one God dwelt in Jesus. Jesus the man called this God Father. He even said that the Father indwelt him and it is the Father who did the miracles and not he as a man. As a man Jesus could not walk on water, yet as God he did walk on water. I hope that you may find salvation soon before it is to late and discover who the Jewish Jesus really was.
We Jews who believe in Jesus and not the Catholic Jesus. Wish all to come to the Messianic faith of Jesus Christ. Yet we do not force anyone to choose the real Jesus. One can accept any Jesus the want to. Yet Satan does not care in what name you call him, just as long as you worship him.
Shalom Dr. Lotan Moshe Ben Kedar Thd.
What Jews don’t believe in Jesus lollllll you killed him because he was spreading the word of god and called himself the one son of god I think you in the wrong religion for salvation my friend
Its always refreshing and reassuring watching your content since it reminds me always to just research the arguments myself and study my faith more.
I’m surprised at how few comments here are directed to “Patrick”…
It always amazes me how very little Muslims know what they’re talking about. Like almost every thing out of their mouth is usually a lie or ignorance
Id say the opposite.
IP is coping here. Even the jews say christians are idol worshippers.
Its evident by design. Trinity is not monotheism. Anything not monotheism is polytheism
That guy is trying to find evidence to fit his predetermined conclusion, rather than the, you know, correct way of analyzing information.
I already knew about the Hindu triune coming way after the Christian trinity but finally someone talked about it!! That’s exactly right; the Hindu trinity came about around the 300 AD regarding the Puranas which is about 200 years after the Christian trinity
There is no hindu trinity, Hindus are wise enough not to import false doctrines into their cults.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs there is a Hindu trinity according to Hinduism. Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer. The concept was known at least by the time of Kalidasa’s poem Kumarasambhava or known as in English Birth of the War God, 4th-5th century.
@@Nick-cb2ht that was written after Christianity was a religion.
@@Nick-cb2ht Incorrect the doctorines of the sanatana Trimutri was already established way before in the 3 millinum BCE ERA By Krishna and Vysa they were composad and called upapurnas
With tablets placed in modern day Pakistan
The texts were written in paper in the 4th and 5th century and brought together by thay time, just as the Torah, Gospels and Quran were all brought together in the 7th Century
And even if that was the case the same could be said of the bible being compledted in the 15th century.
If you wish to talk futher on this topic we could take it on sometime on Discord or a chatline if you'd like
Brother/Sister.
@@itsusi3259 hi, the bible was written no later than 90ad. This is agreed with al scholars worldwide. I don’t know why you think the bible was written in the 15th century, there is no evidence for that
The Quran was written in the 7th, the bible again was composed before the end of the first century. Scholars who are atheistic such as Bart ehrman agree, look that up.
Regarding the Hindu triune, this did not originate in the 3rd millennium bc, an scholar will tell you that. The concept was known at least by the time of Kalidasa's poem Kumarasambhava or Birth of the War God in English which originated 4th-5th century which post dates the bible by at least a few hundred years. The trimurti collapses the three gods into a single form with three faces. The Christian trinity hence came first.
Peace bro.
You do a good job defending Christianity. But there are other religions that predate the bible by thousands of years
• Hinduism: The Trimurti consists of three major gods: Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the preserver), and Shiva (the destroyer).
• Ancient Egyptian religion: The gods Osiris, Isis, and Horus were sometimes depicted as a trinity representing different aspects of life, death, and rebirth.
• Sumerian religion: Anu (sky), Enlil (earth), and Enki (water) were considered major deities forming a sort of trinity representing different elemental powers.
• Zoroastrianism: This religion had a concept of a triad of Ahura Mazda, Mithra, and Apam Napat, although the concept doesn't entirely mirror the Christian trinity.
Ahhh... I see what you did there brother. The majority of the people think what you said is true. But your argument has loop holes. And btw. Islam has no symbol. You are very very smart brother. Not many people know that during 300ad there were lots of issues with the belief system, majority of them were trinitarians, especially the Romans who used to be pagans, and there was law to only allow two religions, one is Christianity, and other is paganism, Many of the monotheism and people in Arianism were forced to follow Christianity. Or else they would've been put to death. And the belief system in Arianism and Islam is the same. Co-incidence? No. These are historically accurate. Common among your own scholars. We will bring the truth out. And make everyone realise that what they are doing is wrong. Just because the majority follows something. Doesn't make it correct. Majority of people believed earth was flat. Is it? The whole video is 20 minutes. And he makes very valid points that I have cross checked. And belief in the Trinity existed thousands of years before Christianity came to existence. Why would the previous prophets say worship your lord the god and then suddenly say god is a Trinity and then later Muhammad(pbuh) to come and give the exact same message? I challenge you to dismantle his whole 20 minutes video. I would like to ask you. What would you get by diverting people away from the worship of only god, to a human being who himself quoted the first commandment of the 10 commandments from Moses(pbuh) and also say the father is the only true god and when someone came to him saying good teacher, he recorrected him and said only god is good. What will you get? The only thing you and your followers will get according to the Torah/ your own Bible and Quran is eternal hellfire.
Praying God blessed your ministry ✝️
I ask the almighty that the owner of this channel meets his creator on the faith he is on and never change till he is hit with the real reality.
Excellent and thorough in-depth analysis as usual.
For Muslims
we worship one God in heaven
but Christians worship human
and believe in Trinity
and human sacrifice
and and divine incarnation
in the form of a human being
And the symbol of the cross
All this is found in pagan beliefs
This was not mentioned by any messenger from Adam to Muhammad
But it is present in all pagan religions, from Babylonian and Egyptian to Roman and Hinduism beliefs
To all Muslims who do not understand and cannot imagine how the Trinity works technically: It is recommended that you consider an egg as an example. Perhaps this will help clarify things a bit. If the term "egg" in this context does not suffice, then there is probably too little imagination and intelligence to make it worthwhile to engage with your views. Furthermore, it is recommended that you refrain from questioning, discrediting, or mocking another religion besides your own. Show me a sentence in the Quran where Allah urges you or gives you the freedom to judge in such a manner. You know that you are not allowed to do so if you are Muslims in the sense of the holy Quran. Instead, look at yourselves, reconsider your own beliefs, and all the absurd dogmas and customs, and learn the tolerance that others are expected to have towards you and your beliefs. This way, at least you would be decent, ordinary people.
The egg explanation is a heresy of partialism
Great job. You just sent against the christian beliefs
Quran 5:46 if you are looking for that verse
Much love ❤
A fellow muslim
I agree with you with exception that Allah...IS...the moon diety named Lh (Leh). Ancient Southern Arabs use to travel at night to get to their destination. Therefore, they relied the Moon for guidance along their path. The Moon later on came to symbolize guidance to one's path. Al means "The" so Al-Leh or Al-Lah. However, there is another school of thought in regards to Babylonia and Semitic languages in the IL meant God and EL meant God in Hebrew (also Eloah). In like fashion ancient Arabs has ILAH that also means god, thus AL-ILAH which would have been shortened to ALLAH.
If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard these stupid claims and been able to refute them. I'd be a rich man indeed
Go right ahead, reconcile virgin birth.
@@rf7477 I'd love to explain it but I need proof I'm communicating with a real person and not a spambot or cat typing on a keyboard.
@@garethwest9069 I'd love to believe that you were able to explain it but I suspect I'm communicating with a phony masquerading as a "christian". The worst kind of heretic.
The Pagans were practicing baptism way before a jesus..Tell me what is more pagan than a human blood sacrifice?
@@rf7477 It appears the entity 'R F' is yet again unable to answer a simple challenge to verify it's actual existence. Spambot or cat? Feline, I suspect ...
the trinity is a pagan concept. Throughout the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. This form of worship was also in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity, In the preface to Edward Gibbon’s History of Christianity, we read: “If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief.”
A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity “is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith.” And The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: “The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan.”That is why, in the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus . . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity, Accurate knowledge of God brings great relief. It frees us from teachings that are in conflict with God’s Word and from organizations that have apostatized. As Jesus said: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”-John 8:32. By honoring God as supreme and worshiping him on his terms, we can avoid the judgment that he will soon bring on apostate Christendom. Instead, we can look forward to God’s favor when this system ends: “The world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.”-1 John 2:17. There is no Trinity in the Bible, it came about afterward as a brain fart in Tertullian's mind.stop hiding the truth to each others Christians y’all going wrong and astray and not following Jesus teaching AT ALL , love it or hate it , even wise Christian say yes it’s pagan and yes Jesus is servant of god and yes church isn’t following any of the commandements and yes you are following in religion just stories and teaching of Paul and unknow writers, so quaran is THE UPDATE to all wat happened , for those who read it with honesty and wiseness they will stunned by it , others will keep faking it from the heart and it was said in the quaran as well ,move on
Even though I don't agree on triniterian ideas, that video is pretty dumb. Also to add the vast majority of Hindus don't follow Trimutri doctrines and rather subscribe to the ideas in the Rigveda that all is Brahman and the multiple devas are either forms controlled by Brahman to hold up reality while another thought is that they are all Brahaman and we project our minds ideas on somthing we see as incomprehensible to our limited mind as brahman trancened all limitations.
while I don't agree with you, I like the name you use. Isn't the crocodile part of Kali's servants?
@@marschlosser4540 it is part of the mythology of the night mother, but there also different modes as Kali is also related to durga and a few of devas (divine enity). Not to be confused with the rakshasa (demonic enity) kaalikali which is q common mistake online.
@@thuggie1 Interesting. But, who is the many-armed godress with blood on her fangs?
@@marschlosser4540 that is Ma Kali the decapitated head is that of the Raktabīja demon. At the end of the last univers there was a giant battle mother Durga seen that Shiva was dead went into a rage and attacked Raktabīja lord of ignorance she transformed into kali with is a representation of the creative and destructive force. All she did the demon tride to reproduce himself by drops of his blood hitting the ground so she caputers his blood after killing him. Then she raged killing all the demons of the underworld. As she stand on shiva he wakes up in q form of a baby calming the destructive feminine force of creation and she turns back into Ma Durga. At that point the end the old univers is dissolved awaiting and all of reality all forms collapse into Brahman and the he awakens from his comic sleep. Then when he falls asleep again the comic dream starts all over again. That is where that form of kali comes from
@@thuggie1 Apologies, but I didn't mean to blaspheme her. But, blasphemes are all the world knows of her. Almost, she sounds like the Uohali Yu, the Eagle Mother Spirit. She's the death of Death. You can see her sign on the flag of Mexico, killing Death, the mother of demons. Walk in beauty
Glory to our Triune God ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻✝️☦️
ALLAH IS ONE!
@@TheGuiltsOfUs ONE false god 🤦♂️
Meet the ANGEL of the LORD (the SON of MAN)...th-cam.com/video/koWH47deHfk/w-d-xo.html
@@TheGuiltsOfUs so which pagan goddess do you pray to to deliver your prayers to Allah? Allat, Menussa, or Menot?
@@MEMESSOSTUPID Nah that guy prays to Muhammad what are you talking about..?
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
To be the devil's advocate, Elohim is a general term that basically means "spiritual beings". So an angel would be an elohim
Amen ❤
Thank you for all you do. It truly matters.
For Muslims
we worship one God in heaven
but Christians worship human
and believe in Trinity
and human sacrifice
and and divine incarnation
in the form of a human being
And the symbol of the cross
All this is found in pagan beliefs
This was not mentioned by any messenger from Adam to Muhammad
But it is present in all pagan religions, from Babylonian and Egyptian to Roman and Hinduism beliefs
Please respond to the whole video next time, rather than just clipping the easiest argument.
He claims we worship a moon god. Which moon god are you talking about?
He's pointing out how the claim that the trinity is pagan because the "number three exists" is just as stupid as claiming Muslims worship the moon.
Dude respectfully did you listen??? He didn’t said that, it was just an example to show what is an association fallacy
@@ovejafreefire_399 We heard him as clear as day. So which one is it? Any moon god during that point in time is also part of a trinity.
Muslims are funny.
JEWS ARE FUNNIER !
Trinity is 100% pagan.
Source: trust me bro
No.
In Neoplatonism the hypostasis of the soul, the intellect (nous) and "the one" was addressed by Plotinus.
In Christian theology, the Holy Trinity consists of three hypostases: Hypostasis of the Father, Hypostasis of the Son, and Hypostasis of the Holy Spirit.
We all know Augustine brought neo-platonism concepts to Christianity, including hypostases. So... there is some causality.
The concept of the Trinity was thought of long before Augustine.
@@waynehampson9569 It does not matter, platonism was a huge influence for helenic jews, who were the first converts. Paul himself brought the platonic concept of the soul on 1 Corinthians 15:44, although still under the concept of bodily resurrection (soul sleep). This trinitarian dogma, is the work of sophists. There is no such formula in the new testament besides Matthew 28:19. The other known trinitarian formula in 1 John 5:7 is a later addition not found in the most ancient greek texts or latin translations.
@@daroay The word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible but the concept does.
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:8,9
Of course Jesus isn't the Father, the would be modalism.
for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Jesus says the Father is greater than him. There is some ways that Jesus is inferior to the Father?
16Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” 18Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:16-18
Jesus worked on the Sabbath, breaking the Old Testament rules. See the reaction of the Jews.
…21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes. 22Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, 23so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.…John 5:21-23
The Father gives authority to Jesus to raise the dead, and has given all judgment to Him. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father.
As to the Holy Spirit
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.John 14:16,17
The Father gives us another advocate. Notice he is a different person to the Son (Jesus), also notice the word "he". The Holy Spirit is a person. Not a force or "energy".
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.John 14:26
The Holy Spirit will teach us all things. Hardly a thing a force or energy would do.
1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” Acts 5:1-14
Notice how Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit? And in verse 4 says lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God.
Of course the Holy Spirit isn't the Father, again that would be modalism.
@@waynehampson9569 Bible verses in the gospels can be interpreted as Arrianism or Modalism as well
1. Arrianism
In the gospels we see (The father is greater than I).
But the most arrianic verse can be seen on Galatians 4:14 where Paul refers to Jesus as an Angel. Or combine 1 Corinthians 1:24 and Proverbs 8. On proverbs Wisdom (sophia in greek, female word) is an Hypostases (an aspect of God with an identity of itself) and Jesus on Corinthians 1:24 is the incarnation of that wisdom.
In the book of John (written later than the epistles of Paul) Jesus is the Word of God (in greek Logos, which is a masculine word). Another hypostases, but in this case a male hypostases is used.
1. Modalism
The Book of John can be interpreted as Modalism (I am) or (My lord and my God).
Or Isaiah 9:6 where the messiah is the everlasting father.
So what does the church did? Create a paradox, a paradox of Arrianism+Modalism where both are right, and both are wrong.
The same they did with the nature of Christ being fully God and fully Human. By the way, that is called as well "hypostatic union".
All this is the work of sophists that tried to reconcile both views, because the bible validates and invalidates both views!
In my humble opinion, the best solution is the theology of Servet or the theology of Swedenborg. Not the Cerberus that the trinitarians created.
@@daroay Galatians 4:14 doesn't say that Jesus is an angel.
Anyways Arianism was condemned as heresy at the council of Nicea in 325 and modalism was condemned as heresy at the council of Constantinople in 381.
As for Swedenborg he sounds like a gnostic, putting his visions and dreams above scripture.
He also spiritualizes the second coming of Jesus. He denies that it is a literal, physical event.
I've encountered this argument before, though another example I was given was Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. I give the same answer now as I did then, "Similar doesn't necessarily mean the same." They like to ignore the fact that the cultic religions were all in competition with Christianity and looking for whatever they could find to draw people to them. That some of them chose to counterfeit the Trinity shows both their level of desperation and their ignorance of our faith. It also shows that they're following Satan, as they can only counterfeit. That Muslims are using this argument is both amusing and sad.
Every Muslim and Jew knows from a Christian that he is a pagan who erects statues, drinks the blood of a god, sacrifices a god, eats animals, is unclean, and drinks the blood of an animal, and there is no circumcision, which was legislated by Abraham, a monotheist who believes in a god who has three. You are from pagan roots.
@Salem Ahmed thank you for your reply. I'd forgotten about this comment, so it's good to be reminded from time to time. Allow me to address a few things that you may not know.
First, I practice Messianic Judaism, which is the modern version of the Judaism practiced by Jesus' followers. This includes belief in the Trinity, which doesn't derive from pagan roots.
Second, I can show you the Trinity in the first sixteen chapters of the Torah if you like. There are multiple references to three distinct figures who all possess divine attributes and prerogatives. Your choice.
As someone who practices Messianic Judaism, I not only celebrate the same feast days and holy days as mainline Jews, but I also keep Kosher, honor the Sabbath, and live according to the Torah. This is exactly what Jesus and His Apostles intended, as demonstrated by their own well documented keeping of the Law even after Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.
I should also note, though this is rather personal, that I am very much circumcised. In fact, the only people who purport to follow Jesus, but don't typically undergo circumcision, are the Catholics. Do what you will with that.
Now, I have a question for you. Does God keep His promises?
@@engmed4400
I apologize, I didn't know, but not good with the Trinity God beware the wrath of one God. I seek refuge with Allah from the wrath of God. God guide me to Islam
@Salem Ahmed you have nothing to apologize for. How could you have known what I'm about? No worries, friend. However, I must ask, do you base your opinion of the Trinity on the contents of the Qur'an?
@@engmed4400
Belief in the Trinity in the Qur’an?? No, he did not mention the Trinity, but rather forbade the idea of the Trinity
Lol, the trinity is pagan to the core, there are no consensus issues on it, it's blatantly 3 gods with at least 2 having distinct minds (i.e. Jesus [as] not knowing the hour of his return). Your video even played an ad for Hindus collecting money to treat a skin disease their cows are facing.
Once again , the people who worship Muhammad and were told by Muhammad to worship three Pagan goddesses are telling us we are Pagan
Daniel was worshipped Daniel 2:46 KJV saints are worshipped Revelation 3:9 KJV
Muslims try to make out that the Satanic Verses never happened, and that it's just a fabrication
@@gustavmahler1466 And that's paganism form of necromancy. Not what God allows, is it!
No muslim worships Muhammad, and he never tell anyone to worship anyone but God and was persecuted for it. Christians today worship a man and call him God, make idols of God and believe God is three in one, breaking all the rules of the Mosaic law which is why Jews view CHristians as Idolators and cannot enter churches whereas they can enter mosques.
@@gustavmahler1466 different translations have different words other than worship which have similar meanings but neccesarily worshipping someone as a literal God.
There is a direct causal link but not to the traditions you mentioned. The direct link is to Platonism. Trinitarian Christianity is largely Platonism + Judaism. The most theologically significant sentence in the New Testament is John 1:1 and if there was a Platonic Bible then it could also be the opening line of it. You don't need to change a syllable.
Just the fact that the comments are so heavily censored by him is proof that he doesn’t want to understand or let other people understand the trinity.
Without lies Islam dies
As a (non-trinitarian) Christian it makes me sad to see that many of the supposed Christ-followers in the comments behave less respectfully than the Muslims they are writing to.
You're not a Christian in the first place
You're trying to legitimize the doctrines of men by philosophizing & claiming fallacies, yet never addressing the main dilemmas of Christian doctrines.
If your Christian doctrines were truly divine, they would have been clearly declared in your holy book by the very god that you claim is the true god. This is absent as well as the major portion of your holy bible, i.e. the Jewish scriptures (OT), seems to contradict your Christian doctrines.
The only applicable fallacies are those employed by Christianity to justify its man-made doctrines by hook or crook.
Keep up the good work brother. 👍💪
Thanks for all your work on this, brother
The trinity denies the death of Christ. God can’t die. If Jesus is god then he didn’t die, which means there is no resurrection (the whole point of the gospel)
God's embodiment in flesh died, not Himself.
It is pagan. We don't need to show it. Your fellow christian say it. Your priests and pastors said it. Your bible scholars said it.. and they are all come to the truth, submit their will to the will of Allah.
Al-Lat is a mythic figure of great antiquity, one of the trinity of desert Goddesses named in the Koran, Al-Uzza and Menat being the others. Like the Greek Demeter, Al-Lat represented the earth and its fruits; it follows that She also ruled human generation.
Al-Lat was worshiped at Ta’if near Mecca in the form of a great uncut block of white granite, which Her worshipers addressed as ‘My Lady’ or Rusa (‘good fortune’).
According to Islamic sources, the tribe of Banu Thaqif in Ta'if especially held reverence to her.
In Islamic tradition, her worship ended when her temple in Ta'if was demolished on the orders of Muhammad.
Trinity - Polytheism dressed as Monotheism
Islam is pagan
Allah was the God of Arab pagan
@@Йосип-ю3г
Were you born stupid?
Tens of Millions of Arab Christians call the Father, Allah. The Arabic bible has the name Allah for the Father.
Jesus himself spoke Aramaic & guess what he must have called God? Alāhā or Elah
(Educate yourself before looking like a fool)
@@Йосип-ю3г probably not I studied the Islamic faith in 2014 and decided to convert on 2017 I studied the Quran but no where it's says Allah is pagan
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Say you don’t understand the trinity without understanding the Trinity
The moon represents the guidance of God on the path through life. The new moon also represents the Muslim calendar, which has 12 months each of 29 or 30 days. the Islamic lunar calendar, the crescent of the new moon (hilāl) defines many aspects of Muslim religious life, ranging from the date of the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina (ḥajj), to the beginning and end of Ramaḍān, the month of fasting (ṣawm).
What did you talk about the moon symbol? You do not know the origin of the moon symbol, it was not Muhammad's life even once, but Uthman pierced the first crescent after the conquest of Constantinople. There was a mosque and a church. It is not known who dismissed Othman. Pierce the strips of the cross knowing that it is a church and the crescent moon. I know it is a mosque. A Christian of 100% pagan origin, everything you know is true that they are pagan roots
Nope not pegan it’s like me saying your rock and box is pegan lol
This video wasn't a refutation. You just denied his claims because you think they're a fallacy. The trinity is definitely Pagan and its obvious.
None of them can make arguments against Christianity without using fallacies and double standards.
The trinity is but an early, good established fraud with roots in the didache. Everything defending it has no validity. Under more serious scrutiny, it falls apart. Why do you people keep discounting unitarian christianity?
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 Its not fraud buddy its taught in the scriptures. "Unitarian christianity" is heresy.
everything you think is true and supporting the trinity is mistranslation or corruption. It's NOT taught at all by Scriptures - but it's pulled upon it by Greek and Pagan influences.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 It is taught by scripture. The ones who tried to corrupt the scripture held to heretical beliefs like Unitarianiam, Modalism, etc. They are the real pagans wanting to corrupt biblical teachings like the Trinity.
so what do I do at this point? You're in total denial of reality. The hebrews never taught anything like a trinity and I don't care what Dr. Heiser twists into two Yahewhs, because he is, believing or not, incompetently reading the passage. Everything trinitarian is a provable corruption of the underlying idea and text. Show me any passage and it's either a textual variant or translated skewed towards a fake trinity.
Where is the word trinity in the bible?
😂 The concepts are there. Just because the specific word "trinity" isn't there, does not imply that the concept is not existent.
Hmm
The trinity is not biblical. That's the bottom line.
"It is also written in your law that THE TESTIMONY OF TWO MEN IS TRUE. I am One who bears witness of Myself, AND the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."
Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” - John 8:17-19
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have NOT LIED TO MEN BUT GOD.” - Acts 5:3-4
Three Persons = One God.
Thanks. For. Playing.
i suggest muslims study the prophet Mohammad and his moral behaviour then criticise the trinitarian teologi that they ignore....both
We already have AND we still believe that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the final message of god and jesus (whom god sent to earth) was a great prophet and his moral actions are greatly moral and nothing with it wrong, and if you as the bible says to you wouldn't be surprised why many a bible is death threat to humanity 😂😂😂
Great simple insights love your insights keep it up
Sword and lies without it Islam dies
Thank you so much for making this response. It's very difficult to reply to claims that involve other religions, cuz I'm uninformed.
However the onus is on this Muslim, here that is making the claim that Christianity's Trinity is the same concept as the Hindus' (or whoever's).
What matters is holding my ground for my faith in God, as he is revealed to us.
It is pagan it came from Hinduism (which is a form of paganism)
And it is the oldest religion in the world
you commited the fallacy that was showcased in the FIRST 20 seconds of the video
do you realize the Hinduism "trinity" didn't exist until 300ad?
2:50 direct causal link is the nicean creed and emperor Constantine.
The Roman’s abandoned their gods to worship 1 God? The trinity is very much inline with pagan beliefs. 3 in 1 is right up their alley, the pagans just accepted trinity.
I think the origin is the platonic triangle, since newplatonism was dominant at that time
No it wasnt and platonism was a philosophy not religion
There are hundreds of books out there about the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Why is it so difficult for some to actually read 100 pages before posting these weird associations?
It’s simple. If Christianity is monotheistic then Jesus was a man. And there is no spirit.
But if you’re claiming Jesus is God and the spirit then you have to do some real mental gymnastics.
Considering Jesus died, so did god die? Who took his soul? The angel of death? While he was dead who ruled and maintained the universe? Did god leave a vice god to rule?
When mary was pregnant did god develop in the womb for 9 months? Did mary change gods diapers after he pooped and did she breast feed him? Is mary a greater god since she nourished god into adulthood? Did she ever spank or scold god for misbehaving?
Did mary worship Jesus? Her own son?
Is mary gods mother? Is she a greater god than god to give birth to god?
Did god need an umbilical cord while in her womb? Does god have blood?
You see I can keep going. You need to stop the mental gymnastics and call a spade a spade. You don’t need to use terms like “x fallacy” to sound smart just so you can sleep better at night. You can use simple logic to determine it’s not the truth.
There’s nothing wrong with being wrong. And there’s no merit in holding on to a wrong belief just because your parents, family, and friends do.
Islam isn’t here as a new religion to replace Christianity. It’s here to correct the misunderstandings and put you back on the path towards God, and back to the original message of “there is only one god, He does not have offsprings nor is He an offspring. He has no partners, He is the creator and everything else in existence is His creation”. Islam isn’t your enemy. It’s only here to bring you back to God. So trust your instincts, stop pretending Christianity makes sense. Jesus is a great prophet in Islam. And that makes infinite more sense than Jesus being god or his son. So i invite you to Islam. It’s really easy. You just have to believe and state that belief out loud. And that’s it.
Some of your questions are looking for conclusions that are mere answers that sound iffy, even though you know exactly how it works, so Idk why you are asking them. For example you say “If Jesus is God and he died, then did God die?” *Yes*
“Did Mary birth God?“ *Yes*
But let me clarify this, Mary did not birth God IN THE SENSE that she brung the Father or the Holy Spirit or the divine nature of Jesus into existence. She is the mother of God IN THE SENSE that she birthed the flesh of Jesus, who is God. Thats it. Its that simple. Remember, understand the SENSE that we mean this.
God died IN THE SENSE that his Spirit separated from his flesh. NOT IN THE SENSE that Jesus’ divine nature stopped existing or he was killed out of his own power.
She never spanked God for misbehaving because Jesus was sinless. Jesus did do normal human and child things, because like how he is fully God, he was also fully man. Fully human and fully divine
“Cults” was the keyword that got me
Does the Bible say anything about the Trinity?
Neither the word “Trinity” nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The word “trinity” is a term theologians gave it to describe what THEY FOUND IN SCRIPTURE. The trinity is infact in scripture, and I can give you all the evidence of it inside the bible if you ask to, but right now im not in the mood, unless you reply asking for it. And yes, the Lord God is one. One God
@@d.rey5743 "If God sent himself to earth as Jesus, who was reigning from heaven during that time? And who raised Jesus from the dead? Who was He praying to? Himself?" Uh, exactly our point. Read you comment back slowly to yourself. And you are claiming WE are the cult?
Because we do not believe that "God" sent Himself to die for our sins, so He could then raise Himself up and prepare a Kingdom for Himself where He will sit on His own right hand to rule and reign with His people, all while not doing His own will but the will of Him who sent Him....His Father...or I mean, His will...wait a minute...This is NONSENSE.
We are not denying anything other than the absolute QUAGMIRE that is the Trinitarian doctrine. You HAVE to call it a miracle, otherwise, you might have to explain it. Which obviously, can't be done as per your comment. We do not believe Messiah prayed to himself, we do not believe Messiah raised himself up, we do not believe that the Messiah will sit on the right hand of HIMSELF to rule. We believe what the scripture says.
John 14:28: My Father is greater than I."
John 5:30: By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.We do not believe we have to do mental gymnastics in order to explain the Son's relationship with the Father. It was MAN who came up with the Trinity, not scripture. The Messiah didn't believe it, the apostles didn't believe it, it was only hundreds of years AFTER messiah that the Trinity finally gained some foot hold. Even then it was hardly unanimous. And obviously back then being in the doctrinal minority in the Church was a quick way to be exiled, or killed so it isn't like there was even much of a debate.
The Trinity is nothing but proof of the Messiah's warning to the pharisees in Matt 15:7-9 Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied rightly concerning you, saying, 8'This people honors Me with the lips, but their heart is kept far away from Me. 9And in vain they worship Me, TEACHING AS DOCTRINE THE PRESCEPTS OF MEN.
You will not find the Trinity in the text of the scriptures. Period. Even the go to verses like 1 John 5:7 are KNOWN additions to the word.
@@sean6003 1 John 5:7 doesn’t even prove the trinity. It is compatible with modalism. It is a low teir argument but there are much better arguments in the bible.
This is Jesus being God in the bible. I have even more biblical evidence but i’ll give these pieces.
Jesus is God. Jesus uses a divine name that God used in Exodus 3:14 to himself in John 8:58 after the jews asked him in John 8:57 how he can know Abraham if he wasn’t even 50 years old yet. The jews then want to stone Jesus for saying this in verse 59.
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
"[1] For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our fathers were all under the cloud and they all passed through the sea; [2] and they all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] and they all ate the same spiritual food, [4] and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ."
This is about the Israelites nourishing from God, who is revealed as Christ here. (Do not confuse this with Jesus only being an anti-type of the rock that Moses struck for water). In Deuteronomy 32, you see God repeatedly being referred to as the rock who bore Israel and took them to the wilderness and Paul is saying that Christ was that rock; that foundation. "Rock" in the bible usually symbolizes a foundation. So God (Christ) was the foundation for the Israelites' journey since he was why they were even surviving in the wilderness and was the one that freed them and fed them and is leading them to the land.
Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and just is He."
Deuteronomy 32:15 "But Jeshurun became fat and kicked-- You have become fat, thick, and obstinate- Then he abandoned God who made him, And rejected the Rock of his salvation." Deuteronomy 32:18 "You forgot the Rock who fathered you, And forgot the God who gave you birth.
This is undeniable evidence from the bible that Jesus is God. I can give more.
Acts 7:59, before Stephen died from the stoning, he said to JESUS, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” Not only is he praying to Jesus, but he is using language from Psalm 31:5, which says “Into Your hand I entrust my spirit; You have redeemed me, Lord, GOD OF TRUTH.”
Even more verses. 1 John 1:1-2.
“We proclaim to you the one who existed FROM THE BEGINNING, whom we have heard and SEEN. We SAW him WITH OUR OWN EYES and TOUCHED HIM WITH OUR OWN HANDS. He is THE WORD of LIFE. This one who is LIFE ITSELF revealed to us and we have SEEN HIM. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who IS eternal life. He was WITH the Father and then he revealed himself to us.”
These are not my words, these are the words from John in his first letter. He is talking about Christ, and he is talking about the one who existed from the beginning, who is “the WORD (John 1:1) of life and revealed himself to us and WAS PHYSICALLY TOUCHED AND SEEN. This is obviously about God and this is obviously not about the Father.
@@sean6003 Before I prove the Holy Spirit is God, let me answer Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah 40:25.
Deuteronomy 6:4 says God is one. Yes. One being. If you want to not only prove that God is one God but also one person, then you cannot establish that with this one verse. God is one yes, and that one God has three persons who are who he is.
Isaiah 40:25 is simply talking about no one in the world or any elohim in the spiritual realm being as equal as God, which I just proved Jesus was. Again, verse is too vague for you to proof text me that this also applies to the persons of God, so these are weak arguments.
The Holy Spirit being God:
2 Corinthians 3:17-18. “Now the Lord IS THE Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, THERE IS FREEDOM. So all of us who have had the veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord, who is the Spirit, MAKES US MORE AND MORE LIKE HIM AS WE ARE CHANGED INTO HIS GLORIOUS IMAGE.”
First, it says “The Lord IS the Spirit.” It doesn’t just say the Lord has a Spirit, or even has the Spirit, but it says the Lord IS *THE* (which would the Holy Spirit, not just any spirit) Spirit.
RIGHT AFTER saying “The Lord IS the Spirit” it says “where the Spirit OF THE LORD.” So the Lord HAS a Spirit and the Lord IS also the Spirit. It also says that where the Spirit of the Lord is, “there is freedom.” Is that not exactly what Jesus said about himself in John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed” and John 8:32?
Now Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not the same person. They share the same one divine nature and being but their persons are not identical, but both the Son and the Spirit “setting [you] free” can be explained by the Holy Spirit being the Spirit of Christ (Galatians 4:6).
Finally, it says that the Spirit makes us “more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” This sounds fimiliar. Genesis 1:26: “Let US make man in OUR *IMAGE*.” The image of God, who includes Christ and the Spirit.
Acts 5:3-4. Who were they lying to? First it says they lied to God and then right after it says they lied to the Holy Spirit.
Psalm 104:30 and Job 33:4 proves the Holy Spirit is the creator.
I already proved the Holy Spirit was God using scripture. If you reply further, I can include scripture proving the Holy Spirit is personal and a person of the trinity and not in a modalist way, in fact I can refute modalism using scripture.
@@ajjony4866 I recommend you to read my replies to this other non-trinitarian. I gave multiple biblical proof that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. Read it 🥱😉
Would love a video or two about the real supporting evidence that Islam was derived from paganism in some aspects and what verifiable evidence there is for this.
Forget about trinity, why you worshipping a statue? if yes, why you should be a Abrahmic religion? Hindu believes in incarnation, you are doing the same, so you are pagans and not the people of the book!
We don’t worship a statue. We symbolize our religion with the cross which is a direct recollection of the sacrifice of Jesus.
You however just dance around and pray to a literal rock icon from a pagan temple with not a single mention in the Bible
Pagan!
Proud to be hindu ❤
Love my Cristian bros❤
Why ?
thanks once again! so glad you are doing this
It's not a stretch to conclude that the first Christians at least took influence from the examples in this video in how they thought about God. Jews (ie, the first Christians) have always been a very educated and cosmopolitan group of people. It wouldn't be the first time they borrowed ideas from other religions.
To say that they developed the idea of the trinity completely independent of these other influences...well, it wouldn't be impossible, but I find it unlikely.
This video almost caused me to lose my faith thank you for your explanation
@inspiring philosophy why did you bring it back to the association falacy of moon worship at the end of the video. Is that your outgoing message??? You should rename yourself inspiring ignorance or inspiring blasphemy. Or even better inspiring association fallacies. I usually like your videos, but you have to be more careful you don’t know what ignorant minds could be misinterpreting your words my brother.
That's MODALISM PATRICK!!!!
This is the same thinking as Omens: I raven landed in the road and cawed ominously as we drove by. It’s a bad omen, we should turn back.
Nice pic lol
I turned it around to look like the heart of God. Well at least I see it that way.
I don't think it's pagan because it's not described as three gods, but as God in three forms. It's similar to the polytheistic deities but it's just cultural similarity, not theological. The universe always has the same patterns. You can see the "trinity" in the Old Testament, describing God as; The angel (messenger) of the Lord, and as the spirit of the Lord, but it's talking about God himself in different categories. Not the same as the gods.
Ah great.....I recognised your voice straight away from the Zeitgiest debunk video. I love how you show the sources. Although its not an academic arguement, even if there was a trinity concept in Pagan beliefs....Satan could have always imitated!. But also there is clear evidence alot of the examples came Post-christianity
Waiting for the 1+1+1=3? argument. I bet there's one comment already about it.
Several.
Bible Trinity concept is Borrowing from Vedic Hari Om Tat Sat concept
Sat means Prajna/ Truth/ Unmanifest Supreme Reality/Nirguna Brahman.
Tat means God manifest Himself as Holy Divine Form/ Saguna Brahman/God Visible Form.
Om means Word of Creation/NaadBramh/Word of God.
In the beginning was Word/Om and
Word/Om with God/Sat.Word/Om is
God/Sat..
Hari means Narayan/Krishna
In Hinduism we say Hari Om Tat Sat means praise the Supreme Lord/
Hari.
Gospel of John Lines is copied from Vedas.Christian Trinity founded after council of Nicea.
You have just described the modulism heresy, which was specifically underlined in the council of Nicaea
It is the pagan version of the Godhead One God splits into three from one source.
If not pagan, it is polytheism.
"GOOD BYE AMERICA, HELLO TEXAS!" ahh comment
Thank you for your work
2:52 Tell you pope to give complete access to Vatican library without hiding any books. What is he hiding?
Ever seen any Muslim hiding a book?
Tell your people tô stop kissing and worshiping rocks
"you need to show a direct causal link"
no! that might not be possible! and than they might need to reassess their position!
Great work brother keep it up,
When it comes to the formal representation, I don’t see the fallacy. Can someone explain it to me?
Notice he didn't refer the remaining 20 minutes if his video....
Why should he?
Why should he? He cleared showed that the foundation of the entire video bases on heretic misconceptions
I can tell you where the trinity didn't come from. The old testament. Israel God's witness worships one God alone. Show me the trinity in Isaiah, and I might consider becoming trinitarian.
Ask God to show you these things is not for man to convince.
@@barri0_993 Thanks brother, it's not a real question it's a challange for christians to actually start reading it and finding true monotheism in the book of Isaiah.
@@jasonstewart7834 What is monotheism?
From the word of God he is describe as 3 seperate individuals, but is one and the same God. Just like God made man in his image body, spirit, soul.
God is Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit.
See ya brother, not looking to start a arguement is not for me to convince, I'm just a sower it is God who does the watering.
Isaiah 9:6-7.
This is an explicitly obvious prophecy about Jesus Christ, and it proves he is God
The channel's name says it all in that philosophy is from man's thinking not God's - One is clearly Higher and far more supreme, so it's not surprising that the mentality given here falls short of that
No his philosophy is based on scripture.
The Father יהוה and His Son יהושע are not a Trinity, they are ÈLOHYM (אלוהים).
Scripture proves that they are not a Trinity.
1 Corinthians 8:6 "for us there is one Elohim, the Father, from whom all came and for whom we live, and one Master יהושע Messiah, through whom all came and through whom we live."
Both the Father יהוה and His Son are Spirit.
John 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and Truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.
24 “EL is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in Spirit and Truth.”
Galatians 4:6 "And because you are sons, EL has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
all that nonesense aside tho, where does the bible teach a triune God? ive tried to find this doctrine in scripture but cant find it. scripture appears to denounce the idea of a trinity from what i see.. the Lord Jesus is the Spirit based on 1st and 2nd corinthians which would be opposed to the goat diagram of the trinity you flashed on screen.. im with you on a lot of things ive seen of yours but this trinity doctrine i still wonder where is it coming from? everyone that says they have scripture have to read into the passages what they are not saying.. there is one God, the Father..and one Lord, Jesus the Christ and the one Lord is the Spirit.. what i see in scripture is the human soul of Gods son was glorified and made one Spirit with the Father. and that is why to denounce either of the two is to denounce the other by default.. the holy spirit isnt another person of God. He is the Life of the son Glorified with the Fathers Spirit or person. one God and one Lord. to deny Father and Son is to be damned not to deny a trinity.. we have no right to add to what is written.. and thats the only way one can support that doctrine scripturally, is to add to the meaning and basically you end up with Hath God really said.. man that sounds familiar hmm
"It is also written in your law that THE TESTIMONY OF TWO MEN IS TRUE. I am One who bears witness of Myself, AND the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."
Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” - John 8:17-19
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have NOT LIED TO MEN BUT GOD.” - Acts 5:3-4
Three Persons = One God.
@@garethwest9069 nothing about that said God is 3 person you are adding to the the book. The Bible says clearly without adding to it that there is one God and one Lord who is the one mediator who is the spirit. The testimony of all creation is 2 that become one adding a 3rd is abnormal to any intimate relationship. It doesn't say God was messiah, it says God was in messiah.. so adding to the word.. you are misleading and confusing people.. the Bible NOWHERE says God is 3 nor does it teach that..
@@garethwest9069 the Father and son became one the same way man and woman do.. messiah said the Father was greater than He just as scripture says the man is the stronger or greater vessel over the woman.. both made of the same substance but one came out of the other.. the union between the two is the Holy Spirit.. the Holy Spirit is the Father and son glorified in one..
But also Islam does come from a pagan moon deity. Soooooo…
There was one trinity I looked up about the moon triple goddess or this 🌛🌝🌜, I heard it represents Maiden, Mother, and Crone.
It's always a pleasure to listen to you. To the point, honest and informative!
Thank you
YESSH this is in scripture truth
Who’s the devils advocate?
Trinity = ONE !! Like body + mind + soul! Not 3 but only ONE !!
Trinity are not 3 gods as Allah believes! *And that in the 7th century!*
Or 3 persons as the Dawa people claim because they don't even believe they can sell someone the wrong view of Allah in the Koran!
@@foresteagle181 And the confusion is justified. If the Trinity could be explained, it would be a human construct. That is just what makes the Trinity eternal. It's not really explainable. We can use pictures to describe it, but other than that we can only marvel. And that has to be the case when we stand before a God who, as Creator, surpasses us ontologically.
Muhammad literally went around kabba and kissed the black stone, talk about paganism🤦♂️
Watch Apostate prophet. He exposed Islam really good.
@@godlymike1070 yeah I've watched them for a year or two real nice guy very calm he speaks from his heart I feel. Thanks for reminding us to tune in to him..thanks take care stay well during this pandemic
none of this is pagan. Demigod, incarnation and trinity is pagan
They also believe that during the end times the stone will grow eyes and a tongue to testify who touched it nicely 💀
@@Rocky-ur9mn That hadith doesnt say the stone will grow eyes and tongue, plus that headith is weak anyways... Why do you Christians love to lie?
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No, Islam deriving its customs and practises from pre-Islamic Arabia is what means it comes from paganism, not just an association with the symbol of the moon. 😂
Jewish rabbis in Jewish scholarships tell you Muslims worship one true God of Abraham and Moses and Christians are pure polity us so I don’t know what you’re talking about because trinity is a pagan beliefs
He knew that but he didn't want to sound disrespectful and Also I think the video would have been removed
That can also be done with christianity. The idea of sacrificing or offering something to a deity was long there for example. The common response is that those pagan religions inherited this practice from a prior true religion (maybe the religion of noah or some other prophet or maybe adam himself for example). This response works for both islam and judaism and christianity.
@@condorianonegdiffsgokuWRONG. Jesus Christ 'offered' himself so they'd put into an end the sacrificial rituals.
@@iTheGeo that's my point.
Nice cope echochamber you've got going on here, polytheist. Keep coping.
I love this aspect of mohameddanism: unwillingness to learn ANYTHING about yours and other religions and absolute willingness to construct any lie that will support your cause.
That's the thing, they can't. The lynch pin of the Muslim faith is that Allah revealed himself to the Jewish people, and Jesus was the Messiah yet only human and didn't die. Over time the Jews and christians corrupted their faiths, so Allah then revealed himself to Muhammed to correct this. If they admit the bible is not corrupted, they are essentially admitting their faith is nonsense. And if they leave their faith, they are to be executed. It's life or death for them.
And comments like this are why the uneducated garbage that is apologetics is toxic nonsense. Yikes.
@@jaserader6107 Lol executed. Stop telling lies, there's tons of Muslims that know about other religions... Have you spoken to any in real life?
@@jaserader6107 I always ask them for a copy of this "uncorrupted" Bible they claim exists, but alas ...
@@gustavmahler1466 and you don't have the originals of Aristotle's work and the Torah was previously transmited orally before being written in the original texts we don't have, it doesn't mean we are now gonna believe the torah is fake and say that Aristotle's never existed. Or Plato. Or Socrates. Or Budda. Also, the stories about muhammad were also transmited orally in the first 200 years. And after that, we can't be sure if what they wrote after was real or not, while the first writings about Christ surged about the years 70s.
Muslims:"The Trinity is not in the Bible"🤓🤡
The Trinity does not divide God into three parts. The Bible is clear that all three Persons are each one hundred percent God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. For example, it says of Christ that “in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9).
Actually when you start reading scriptures you see that it's impossible for their to be a trinity.
We should talk about the origins of the Kaaba then 🤣
@@Briannalangland whilst the trinity and God man is in Christianity
@@BriannalanglandThen why millions of millions of muslims go to Mecca each year? Aren’t you supposed to go at least once in your life if you have the opportunity and resources to go? I am not Christian but saying that the Kabba is not important in islam is with all respect laughable. Dude Hajj is literal the fifth and last pillar of Islam, what do you mean it is not a fundamental belief lol.
Kaaba* i'm sorry, anyway i don’t think anyone will read my comment. If someone reads this add me in Brawl Stars #89J2LQCYQ
@@Briannalangland Do you pray towards it?
@@jeevan1409 We use it as a means to establish a direction, does this mean we worship a specific direction or even the Kaaba itself?