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Happiest Day is one of the weirder parts of FNAF. Up until this point I literally always assumed that Charlotte was manipulating the arcade cabinets in that backroom to complete the process. But, why would that be the case? Why would they literally be trapped in glitched areas of arcade games? I think this theory is a lot more closely linked to what most likely happened. Oh, also Happy Belated FNAF 3 day!
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Timestamps:
00:00 Preheating
00:54 Non-Controversial/Basically Canon takes
02:25 Raycon Ad
04:02 Is Charlotte haunting the pizzaplex in Security Breach?
08:03 Is Gregory a robot in Security Breach?
11:51 Who is the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment in Security Breach?
21:17 Letting it cool
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Timestamps:
00:00 Preheating
00:54 Non-Controversial/Basically Canon takes
02:25 Raycon Ad
04:02 Is Charlotte haunting the pizzaplex in Security Breach?
08:03 Is Gregory a robot in Security Breach?
11:51 Who is the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment in Security Breach?
21:17 Letting it cool
Patience 46 is proof that Gregory is not a robot because it's especially specifies that Gregory had Parents
I like the timeline, I have a few issues with a few evidence points which I think lead mat down a wrong path, mainly Funtime foxy being used to make mangle when the animatronics that are broken down to make the Funtimes are literally in the same building. Honestly I wish people would throw mangle and Funtime foxy being one in the same, to the side. The Funtimes were designed, and are, larger than the other animatronics, including mangle. So instead of sister location being the first game in mat's timeline, I placed FNAF 2 first giving time for the withered to be possessed in the previous location and later become then Funtimes. Then I placed FNAF 1 which doesn't do amazing. It gets closed then Afton breaks down the animatronics making the Funtimes. Yadda yadda, FNAF 3 which we do know happens after FNAF 5 because in the cutscenes after the custom nights in FNAF 5 we see Fazbear frights burned down. Then FNAF 3. Now to state the obvious, the odor complaint on the pink slips. It's often said "Hey corpses are pretty stinky" but I think we can throw away that line of thinking with 3 pieces of evidence, 1. The FNAF VR tapes talk about Fazbear entertainment firing people for basically no reason, 2. There is no way in the first 2 games Scott was thinking all the way up till FNAF 5 especially when FNAF 4 was considered in his mind the finished game. 3. This very well could have just been a joke about stress sweats and body odor due to it. Alot of pieces fit together when you don't consider mangle and Funtime foxy one in the same
I actually see another interpretation of Mr Burrows. We have a thread that went nowhere in the early timeline - Afton Robotics, LLC. It's incorporated, meaning no matter what happens to Afton, his robotics company can live on. Afton's convicted and sentenced to prison? No problem, a CEO or manager takes over running the company on Afton's behalf. Afton gets springlocked and goes missing long enough to be presumed dead? No problem, a 2nd in charge takes over and continues running Afton Robotics, LLC without a hitch. It can continue operating the whole time. Just because the games or books haven't mentioned it does not mean it just magically stopped existing. Lack of coverage is not proof of anything one way or the other, other then that no events important to the story, that the storyteller wants us to know about happened with that company. That's it. Mr Burrows could well be from Afton Robotics, and have been an accomplice of Afton's from back in the old days, or an hair to an accomplice of Afton's from back in the old days. He knows who Afton is (of course he'd know who the founder of the company is), and what Afton was doing, a 2nd in charge would know this stuff, and be hand picked to be someone ruthless enough to either not care, or like it. As either Afton's original accomplice, or the heir to Afton's original accomplice, in Afton Robotics, LLC, he'd have a motive to want to intentionally bring Afton back in this form, and access to the knowledge and data to make it happen. Henry's plan didn't fail because burning the ghosts didn't work - it did, perfectly. His plan failed, because he, like all of us, ignored the elephant in Hurricane, Afton Robotics. He foolishly dismissed them as irrelevant now that Afton was gone from them, and they had the data to bring Afton back and keep it all going for yet another generation of misery for the small city of Hurricane, Utah.
Nice
Just noticed the board behind you. Are you ... pragnort?!
Whether his timeline is accurate or not, MatPat has weaved together a compelling narrative told in a very entertaining way. It's a good story, canon or not.
Very true!
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You are right
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Exactly as Scott would have wanted.
My theory: this is just Scott’s elaborate plan to take over humanity by making us go crazy over the lore
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We're all playing right into his hands...
@@christophermitchell9739 id go as far as to say we're too late
Scott Cawthon is aspiring to create the new William Afton.
Scott is the real puppet master 😢
The fact MatPat was able to find a way to have the holiday animatronics make sense was enough for me. All hail the king of the theories!
Do nobody else ever come to this conclusion? I've thought that for years. Thought it was common sense.
@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE That's random
It already made sense though
100% Agreed! It just all ties in together perfectly, which must've been so difficult to do
@@thespork1905 He's calling OP childish.
People seem unable to realize that matpat hasn't gone insane. He's embraced fnafs insanity.
As the lore is right now, literally anything is possible, so he took it up on that
For real! He's not crazy, the lore is
@@RyeToast and I'm glad you pointed out that mrs. Afton would just be the shot caller as CEO.
Some people were acting like mat said a pushing 80 year old lady was building the pizza plex with her own 2 hands, despite him showing the character use money, wich can be used to, "HIRE WORKERS"
Like people can disagree with a theory but objections like that are just people being willfully difficult
But also he ignores a lot of shit
@@gayle225 less that he ignores stuff and more that fnaf ignores it's own lore
@@gayle225 I mean the lore of this franchise is an inconsistent mess. A lot of it doesn't fit together. At the end of the day all theories have to decide what parts to keep and what parts to ignore.
Honestly, MatPat's theory is really good for worldbuilding and storytelling. Even if his theory ends up being proven wrong one day, I would be surprised if Scott Cawthon didn't watch his theory and go, "Why didn't I think of that???"
I agree, I really like the lore implications of mapats theory, I just don't see it being realistically true with the evidence we have
@@RyeToast I geuss, but it just far more satisfying for the CEO to be Mrs.Afton. Besides that aren't really that many arguments for Mr.Burrows Actions, because it feels really hand waving that he just greedy. Like why was it FNAF 6 instead of any of the countless locations fazbear owns? Or if it wasn't intentional to get William in to VR why scan go out the way to scan those specific circuit boards.
I know this is a lot to type sorry about that
TLDR: It doesn't really you any strong arguments that it's Mr.Burrows, besides Assumptions.
Also if this came off as rude or that I missing a key piece of info, it is late.
@@peytonvaldez1310 Here's the thing though, justifying why Mr. Burrows would do these things doesn't really matter because those events have to happen anyways for The Storyteller to take place
you seem to miss that scott did this since day one and just put a twist on it
@@derekmartin5340 I’m not even going to get into anything here but you do understand there are separate canons in the franchise right? The books tell stuff that can be applied to the games, the main timeline, or completely disregarded. He has to be CEO for The Storyteller to happen but he doesn’t need to be CEO for Security Breach to happen
Good god, the craziness of Mrs. Afton being a literal unhinged girlboss who is behind everything is something I want to be canon now. I hope they incorporate it into the official story now, if it wasn't already part of the plan. Maybe she's just shooting up remnant to stay alive, if the age thing is an issue
Girlboss Mrs Afton is VERY fun I'll admit
I ALSO THOUGHT OF THE REMNANT THING LMAO
like, there are theories that Mike is out there, then Afton mother can be too
and also, the idea is so unhinged it's really _f u n_
Her being in her later years could actually provide a motivation behind why everything is ramping up so quickly: she's running out of time.
The series hasn't really explored the implications of Michael being an undying zombie thanks to remnants nearly enough. I don't see how else Afton could have survived as Spring Trap. Michael had the remnant in him after he somehow got stuffed with the remains of the Sister Location robots (I guess it's suggested that they scooped out his organs, stuffed him with the robot parts, so he was basically a meat and bone living spring lock suit?) but why couldn't someone simply inject Remnant to stay alive while not pushing their body to insane conditions?
Team fortress 2
i wonder if fnaf has turned into a story warning us of the dangers of AI and we're all totally missing it
Honestly "The Storyteller" 100% is
One thought that occurred to me: Afton being William's last name implies that Mrs. Afton's last name... wasn't originally Afton. Is it possible that Burrows is Mrs. Afton's maiden name that she could have taken back after the divorce? And then they could have just nudged the Mrs. to Mr. in the books for an extra layer of obfuscation so that it wasn't too obvious before the actual reveal.
The problem with that is that it seems this isn't a situation like that. Tales just happens in the game timeline. There are WAAAAAY too many things that match up perfectly with the games, with the games even having acknowledged plots from Tales, for Tales to be a parallel thing. It just seems like Mr Burrows is Mr Burrows, and that that story he appeared in, as well as the others, are just 1 to 1 what happened in the game timeline, because they most likely take place there
Or he's a trans man /j
@@magicalmonsters2013this opens up a massive can of worms
I thought it was shmit...
It's certainly a crazy timeline for sure. There are definitely plenty of parts where I think MatPat is right on the money. Other parts definitely less so especially as he got closer to the end of the timeline but I kinda anticipated that. Still a fun watch though and I look forward to seeing some interesting discussions, debate and theories pop up around it.
Me too! And I guess that's the best any of us can hope for with timelines
@@RyeToast Exactly, at the end of the day we're all just taking educated guesses at an answer to a question only one man has the actual answer to. Might as well have some fun with it even if I find the idea of a 90-year-old Mrs Afton trying to resurrect her nasty ex a tad ridiculous even by FNAF standards.
@@benwelsh5265for the last part, you think that the idea of a 80 year old Mrs.Afton trying to resurect her ex is ridiculous when we literally have faz-Goo?
@@pokeprogameWHAT IS THAT
@@poison-LICKTHEPOISON faz goo? It’s something from the books, idk the details but if I’m correct it basically steals the user’s body while transforming them into a pile of goo
I think the fact that there was a cease and desist to stop the circuit boards being scanned and that there was an attempt to steal them back definitely conflicts with pushing Vanessa through as a security guard if we assume the head of Fazbear Entertainment had the same motivations throughout. The theory where William takes over secretly from Mr. Burrows fixes that contradiction of motives very smoothly. Also, Beesechurger.
Yeah there's definitely still a couple issues, but I at least think this is more plausible than mrs Afton.
Also BASED
At this point
I trust matpat's gut more than his mind. Cause it emerged victorious a lot of times
That's totally fair lol
ngl I like both ideas for the CEO, I would say the Burrows idea feels more realistic but the idea of giving Mrs. Afton a purpose (FINALLY) would also make sense. Also, I never understood those that were saying "but she left him so she isn't evil", she left because she couldn't handle all the tragedy and turmoil, that's not in any way a moral indicator.
MATPAT IS CRAZY!!! Thats why he is right...
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@@RyeToast thanks for heart.
If Gregory is a robot the devs did a poor job not having elements that conflict with it. The stamina bar when he sprints implies he needs to catch his breath/gets tired. He breaths when he hides. Speaking of hiding Roxy, whom it's implied can see robots through walls, never sees him through the things when he hides. That is unless she sees you hop into that hiding spot.
I do like the Afton's wife being the behind the scenes culprit. Thought it was creative yet in the realm of possibility.
I'm pretty sure that there were times in the books where Charlie got tired as well, and she still had to breathe, so if she does then Gregory probably would too, and I think it's better to just ignore the Roxy thing because if they actually had Roxy be able to see you through walls, then it would be impossible to hide from her.
Lol we not gonna talk about how as soon as Greg Bot was mentioned the kitty said I'll be back😂
Fr fr me too
“Homes were $13 and your union factory job gave you 6 figures”, the way I spit my drink out laughing 😂
ITS TRUE THO
@@RyeToast YOU'RE NOT WRONG; also, I completely forgot I'm a member rn and it was a surprise to hear my name read XD
I legit paused the video to laugh, then went back and watched that part multiple times
@@myloriv right? Like still lives in my head rent free
If Ms. Afton is running the company then it coming out of left field would kinda make sense, she would've been able to scrub her presence from any games that were canonically made by them. Her only real remaining 'presence' is through Ballora which nobody outside the Afton family would be able connect to her. Will be interesting to see where they go with it.
From a legal standpoint, it makes sense. Most western inheritance law (unless regulated in a prenuptial agreement) leaves the inheritance to the surviving spouse before it passes to the children. That usually includes company ownership.
The only thing I actively hated about the timeline was MatPat saying Clara Afton was going through all of this trouble to put her family back together and was willing to settle for an Elizabeth replacement that doesn't actually seem to have her soul and is as old as Elizabeth might be if she hadn't died. Particularly the problem I have being that "having two robot kids is dumb and redundant". Like, she's got all of this going and she's willing to cut corners on a replacement for one of them? No way. I don't think that fits narratively unless she's tried to do something with Elizabeth's soul and failed.
Yeah, I still think Vanessa / Vanny would be a vessel for Mrs. Afton instead of Elizabeth at the very least.
What if Vanessa being manipulated by Glitchtrap makes a perfect vessel for Elizabeth to possess her. She'd want to make William proud and continue to follow his influence, Mrs Afton would have her daughter, and Vanny would make sense. Elizabeth would do the task her mother gave her, in the way her father would want her to. That's why Elizabeth
isn't in the blob. She's possessing Vanessa. Vanessa herself has her conscience stuck in the VR game.
Where did you get the name "Clara" for Ms afton?
@@nickminchew8140 That's what they call Mrs Afton in the Game Theory video. I used the name they used to reinforce that I was talking about their interpretation of her. They call her that because of Clara from The Immortal and The Restless (I imagine you knew this, but I mentioned it just in case).
@@noahwashere6781 Could make sense. I still don't like the reasoning in Clarar's mind being "The body is around the age my daughter would be" when in the timeline she knew she could make a robot child and didn't try to make Crying Child/Gregory an adult. I guess Clara wouldn't want to go through the trouble of disposing a body and making an entirely new one if the vessel already works.
the worst part is... this could all easily go either way. matpat may throw out crazy ideas but the problem is that they're an actual solution to all of this and not the literal nonsense they seem to be
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@@diamond_tango exactly.
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Thats what I'm doing rn
I think the main reason I lean slightly into the Mrs. Afton theory is the FNAF AR actions don’t line up with a CEO who has no idea what’s going on. I think it’s too early in the rebuilding of the brand to give glitchtrap time to take over. And the contradictions could be easily explained by a board or CTO trying to exert control where they can.
Great one man! Mr Burrows being a new "bad" it's like a breath of fresh air!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it
Kinda ironic since Mr Burrows suffocates to death
I Wholeheartedly Disagree;
Having the CEO basically be Flanderized Mr. Krabs is Narratively BORING & Unsatisfying; it also feels kind of LAZY; Since it just Dismisses all the Questionable & Sketchy Decisions of the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment LLC as Money-grubbing Foolishness;
I Preferred Matpat's Theory because it went More In-Depth with narratively satisfying Explainations for the Shady Decisions made by the head of FBE LLC; as deliberate & more In-depth than what "Tales of the Pizzaplex" tells us[Which I'm REALLY not a fan of; I Don't like "Mr. Burrows" basically being FNAF'S version of "Mr. Krabs"]
I don't really care about Gregbot, but I always thought the Vanny hallucination argument, or at least the argument that there's "no other hallucination in the series like this" was kinda silly when you remember that Moon also does just that.
EDIT: Legendary take, Toast
This man is FNAF jesus:
his theories are really interesting AND he's respectful of the rest of the theorists community
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I personally Love MatPat's theory, as it's interesting from a storytelling standpoint! 😃 *Also, I feel there's alot of other things that adds to the theory of Mrs. Afton running things from behind the scenes..* 🤔 For example, on The Immortal & The Restless, Clara always comes back to Vlad, *no matter what.* She obviously knows what he's been doing, but she still ends up loving him at the end. Also, I've always thought that one of the therapists on the tapes sounds British or from the UK in general?? 🤔 I noticed it before, but now that MatPat says Mrs. Afton could be in charge and everything, she could also be pretending to be a therapist so she could talk to Vanessa and help in manipulating her?? She can be lying to her in various ways to make her think a certain way.. Also, when they initially announced the FNAF movie cast, I noticed that there was a listing for Mary Stuart Masterson as *"Female Villain"* ... 🤔 Which I thought was weird in itself, but even weirder considering they announced her as one of the first people casted but didn't name her. Unlike Mike & William who were named, of course. Also, the actress is an older woman in her late 50's who looks like she could pass as someone from the UK.. 🤔
The *Immortal & The Restless* alludes to William not aging/dying, so how do we know he didn't share the secret to eternal life with his wife?? So far as the age of Mrs. Afton, you never know - she could have *Remnant* in her or also, she could actually be old but using the *Illusion Discs* to appear younger... 🤔
Oh shit, I forgot about the movie... Mary Stuart Masterson might be the lynch pin there.
Maybe “the immortal and the restless” is a reference to William, the immortal, and Clara, the restless. He always comes back, and she never rests.
@@paydaygh9388 I thought that was always the intended reading
The fact that Michela Moss voice acts as one of the therapists 😆
Me and a friend of mine have made a discovery on how William Afton became Glitchtrap
How did William actually become Glitchtrap?
One of my friends and I were talking about Glitchtrap and I pointed out that Afton couldn’t have become Glitchtrap since the empty springlock suit was well empty when he died in it. So we began to theorize on how he actually did.
We had a few ideas the ranged from him dying in the suit with a endo (which didn’t make sense), to Afton using different endo parts to keep himself together between Fnaf 3 and Pizzeria Simulator which could be true but we threw those out.
We began to discuss and theorize that the springlock suits have some type of circuitry inside of them. I was skeptical at first since they were only suits with springlocks inside them, until my friend brought up a good point. What about a voice box? There could have been a voice box in the suit to make them talk in suit mode if an employee was wearing one that wasn’t William or Henry.
Our theory is that while making the animatronics to work in the springlock suits, they had to limit the technology on the endo-skeletons and the voice box was one of those. They wired it to the mouth so whenever it was opened, the prerecorded lines would play. The same would happen in suit mode but Henry and William could use their own voices to talk too since they voiced their respective characters.
When William was springlocked in the 1993 location, his soul fused with the whole suit, including that voice chip. When he was burned for the last time in Pizzeria Simulator, he’s remaining remnant was burned away but his soul still resided in the circuit board as well as the vengeful spirits soul too (since their souls are apparently connected) and UCN happens.
That’s all we have so far and it makes the most sense to the two of us. If anyone has their own idea on how William officially became Glitchtrap, I’d love to hear your own takes on it!
This was thought by me and my friend from Instagram notophatsallowed1
I thought that the springlock suits were confirmed to have circuitry inside in the form of the animatronic parts held in place by the springlocks? So when they failed, Afton got fused with the golden bonnie animatronic and it's circuitry
@@mrcephalopod we theorize on some parts has circuitry in them like a voice chip
It’s interesting that stuff is pointing to nightmarione. Maybe some kind of shadow remnant version of Charlie instead of normal puppet Charlie. Or maybe with no other souls to escort Charlie is now on the offensive. Just strange the change to being nightmarione given the history of both charlie and nightmarione
Matpat is amazing, though he sometimes goes over a bit. It's so interesting to hear his thoughts!
I also love these videos of you covering his takes because you're so calm and it's nice to see a youtuber who doesn't just criticize him for, well, being matpat.
Zeus out!
I'm glad you think so!
Honestly I liked matpats new video because what people seem to forget these days is that part of being a theorist is coming up with random scenarios until you stick it and land on the right one which is one of the reasons he was right about Gregory being patient 46 and that's something alot of people didn't acknowledge at the time because they didn't like the thought of their "favorite" character killing people or there wasnt enough evidence. if the community does what matpat does in his videos more often we'd get stuff solved alot quicker
All I will say is, it's very interesting that he even add Mrs Afton into the story.
I've always thought Clara would be Mrs Afton's actual name. Not just for the Immortal & Restless but also because it works as a reference - Ballora has a ballet theme, and 'Clara' is the name of the main character from The Nutcracker (well it was originally the name of her doll but the two names get swapped around a lot)....
I’d be 100% okay with Rye doing videos on other stuff as well
Bless up
absolutely
I don't necessarily agree with Mattpatt's take, but I don't think completely horrible. It's just not something I personally buy into.
That's totally fair and valid!
Right or wrong, it’s a very interesting narrative- one which I quite enjoy
I don’t really mind this theory !
Very true!
I do think Gregory is (at least) symbolically representative of the crying child the post-it notes, Gregory's shirt design, Gregory's novelty pop literally being fredbear and having its head missing a chunk, there is a lot of evidence pushing that narrative if he's not then to quote matpat "the ice cream detail is just mean" it's too specific to not be symbolic. Do I think Gregory is a robot? Yes, yes I do. Psychic friend Fredbear's line of "I will put you back together" would be meaningless unless the plan was actually put into motion, but hypothetically if CC wasn't reborn then why would Scott show us that? Same with Charlotte in the novels, robots being humans in the novels, again leaves us with a question "why would Scott have shown us this unless it came to fruition in the games". Do I like this solution? No absolutely not, I wish we could get some new characters in the lore, maybe a fifth Jeremy, however CC was put to rest in the happiest day, so he can't manipulate and change Gregory into becoming CC's second coming. However the most narratively satisfying route in the timeline is Gregory being a robot version of CC. Plus it's not like that theory was specific to security breach, we've theorized CC was rebuilt since the survival guide came out. Granted it was before we figured out there were two spirits in the book and we assumed Cassidy was speaking directly to Mike. There isn't a lot of direct evidence for the theory of Gregory being a robot, however if you ask enough times "why would Scott show us/confirm this other thing" and shove away the thought process of "this is a stupid theory because matpat made it" or "this is stupid because it's never happened in the games before and it would come out of left field" then it seems like a genuinely solid, plausible (and in my mind, canon) theory. Plus the subtle detail of Gregory stumbling over his own name, that doesn't happen when you record voice lines unless it was for a reason. When Freddy asks his name Gregory would have been scraping for ideas for a false name so he look at what was In front of him, Glamrock Freddy. Drop a few letters and change a few around and it sounds oddly like Gregory doesn't it?
I mean there's obviously the question of "whose saying "I will put you back together""
I like the thought of Mrs. Afton being the new bad guy for the new locations but somethings doesn't fit right there with that theory and that was the only part of the timeline that didn't feel plausible to me
I kind of feel like there's something flipped in all of the timelines. I feel like Henry creating a robokid came first, enraging Afton's jealousy that this genius could literally create life. If so then possibly the mound in Midnight Motorist would be Charlie's hidden grave having died of unknown cause (or Charlie was the Crying Child, in which case whole interpretations have to be reconsidered), afton visiting it to investigate after learning about Charliebot, and Afton killing Charlie was him attempting to kidnap the bot (or succeeding and dumping the real body in it's place) after his plan with Baby to steal the bot went awry and killed his own daughter. Much of the rest of the theories proceed on pace from there, but thematically that sequence of events leads to Fuhnaff's dueling daughters as the impetus behind Security Breach.
I agree with your interpretation that the CEO of Fazbear is probably just Mr Burrows Again and not Clara Afton. I WISH it was Clara Afton though, I don't think a crazed killer old lady is that unique of a narrative but it sure would be fun for FNAF.
My theory is that the CEO of Fazzbear Entertainment is Mrs. Emily. Henry bought out William long ago, and that would make Mrs. Emily the new owner. Also, since Henry is good & William is bad their spouses would probably be the opposite. AND since there are more Aftons than Emily's main characters in the story, it would make for a nice change. Thank you for reading
I'm glad you talk about this stuff objectively, Mat gets too much hate for left-field theories when he himself said he doesn't believe every single theory and THEY'RE FOR ENTERTAINMENT; the FNAF fandom often takes too much pride in their theories and headcanons and it creates stupid issues that shouldn't exist, we theorize to add more oomph to the games we enjoy.
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I think the biggest problem with mrs afton being the ceo is that she would be extremely old at this point like in her 90s
I would be completely down to see your take on the lore of other games!
Let's goooo
@@RyeToast if you want to branch out, the Bioshock games also have horrible experiments on children and people being stuffed into suits.
This is a really compelling idea! Another point for it is that in FNAF AR the company takes back the circuit boards when they realize scanning them is causing issues. I doubt a CEO would ok that decision if they wanted Glitchtrap to materialize, the way Mrs. Afton would. It would make more sense for someone who only cares about getting the product out as fast as possible, like Mr Burrows.
As out of left field as the Mrs Afton CEO seems I'm still open to it. But the notion that whoever started Fazbear LLC did so with complete disregard for anything but profit like Mr. Burrows makes a lot of sense.
what makes a good horror game a Good Horror game (without gore, deaths, jumpscares and disgusting scenes)
The ability to unnerve in my opinion. I actually go into this in my creepypasta analysis video. I go further into that in my resident evil 8 analysis video but that's members only
I agree with 99% of part 4, but I don’t think Mrs. Afton is our culprit here. I think his original idea of it being a robot Elizabeth may be more accurate
One thing I would still love to know with Gregory.... how did he even end up inside Glamrock Freddy at the beginning of the game? I highly doubt that Freddy could glitch out and reboot on stage, and Gregory climb inside him to hide while everyone is watching.
Honestly if he's been in the Pizzaplex for a while, maybe he could know how to get to Parts and Repairs and it's maintenance room, and get in before anyone was going to notice (I mean the cylinder is pretty closed up and Gregory is small, if he was careful he probably could sneak in and into Freddy's chest cavity), Gregory did mention he went in when Freddy was powered down right? Maybe that was then, or when Freddy was going to be moved to his room at any point (couldn't be on stage, for one, too many people watching, for another, the other Animatronics were close and we see Chica run up to Freddy to check up on him when he collapsed, he couldn't have done it at any point in stage, but during moving for repairs or his room if an employee was careless it's very possible, specially since we know Fazbear entertainment Employees... Aren't exactly the most careful ones, nor it's technologies given how easily you can dodge the staff bots and trick/lure the main animatronics, plus in any camera there's blindspots, as long as Gregory kept an eye on them and in any possible spotters it's very possible, time consuming? Yeah, but also possible, and efficient since he was hiding from Vanessa. My biggest concern is why he would be in the Pizzaplex and how, because it's very heavily implied he's homeless (not being in the registry for one, the leave ending for another) to be honest.
DEFINITELY both lmao
also, i love your cats in all the videos, i lost one of my cats a few months ago and seeing your cats always lights up my day
(also also, beeschurger)
He… had an idea. I don’t think he’s completely right, but I like the idea of someone trying to put the Aftons back together. Also, I’d love to see you branching out a bit from FnaF! There are so many interesting horro games you could theorize about!
Calling Mr.Burrows a home AI-Afton in reference to his name had me go “Oh daaaammn, he’s onto something!”😂
I love the idea of an old decrepit woman trying to bring back their family and we confront her in the end but she dies of a heart attack or something
She girlbossed a little too close to the sun
Agreed that regardless of how much I agree or disagree (hint: mainly the latter) with Game Theory's timeline series, it's an impressive feat, clap and a half to the entirety of Team Theorist and I hope people can be respectful about this. Also, Matt's a genuinely great storyteller, he makes the narrative sound convincing and emotionally compelling in the moment even if looking back some of it is strange. Now, onto my thoughts on the theory itself...
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Re: Charlotte:
The sticky note room also has a few heads with their cheeks painted red to resemble the normal Puppet more closely (on top of the fact nearly all of the STAFF already have some visual similarities), which suggests to me it really is her rather than Nightmarionne just being Eleanor or something like I've seen suggested before.
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Re: Gregbot:
The Retro CDs are the main thing which make me doubt this, as we already have the twist that his horrible childhood was a lie and he had a great family, so going "lol but that family was fake too" seems like it's just a plain weird choice. I can't quite get past the notes in binary and the crap on Mike's wall, though... So not sure where I land, there's things I struggle to explain both ways.
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Re: Ms. Afton:
Well, first off she's implied by the Retro CDs to have killed herself, so that's a bit of a problem.
But if we set that aside, I do have to note that Mr. Burrows is not technically CEO, he's chairman of the board. _He_ doesn't appear to have many motives beyond money, but it's not out of the realm of possibility another official like the CEO could be up to something.
However, looking at the evidence more closely, I agree it doesn't seem like the person in charge is as pro-Afton as they appear on first glance. We actually know why it was built on top of the old pizzeria thanks to the Tales epilogues: They wanted to turn it into a museum, but sealed it off after the Mimic got loose. Could be a lie, but this reasoning was public knowledge at the time construction began, it wasn't a big dark secret (though it appears people have forgotten by now, which makes sense with how long construction must have taken).
Further, Fazbear seems to be trying to _stop_ the virus(es) from spreading (as Game Theory mentions in the counterpoints section). In the Special Delivery emails they suddenly tell ALL contractors to cease their work immediately, "especially in reference to any vintage hardware". Plus, in the Help Wanted tapes we learn someone came into the building in the middle of the night and stole all the circuit boards, with Fazbear themselves being the only suspect Tape Girl can think of.
It's possible _someone_ within the company intentionally caused this whole situation (and given... whatever is going on with the Mimic being shipped to the construction site, I'd even say likely), but it doesn't seem like it's the people in charge, who appear to have gone into full-blown panic mode when they realized what was happening.
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Also, why is Mr. Burrows represented by Charlie here lmao
Oooh, fantastic new video! Btw a thing about confirmation of Charlotte haunting the place: In the sewers at the end Vanny appears and begins to follow Gregory, but the "ChrlieDoor" is suddenly opens and closes shut after Gregory's inside, she's protecting him, like those children she gave life to, she saved us from rabbit furry
Honestly, I kinda expect Mrs. Afton to have remarried and be using Mr. Burrows as a means to an end, but that's obviously crazy. Like you say however, Burrows is the perfect stooge for this. If I have to throw my weight behind any likely cantidate for CEO though I think you nailed it on the head with your interpretation of Burrows and Afton's relationship.
so glad he is pushing the mother into the storyline more, she has been pushed aside for so long!
I know the evidence isnt as much there, but storywise its just so entertaining to me
I agree, and we still get a new character as well
My theory is that the main difference between The Silver Eyes trilogy and the main game timeline is the creation of "Baby"
It's explained in the books that Henry built the Charlie-Bots to recreate his daughter that was taken from him, the final of which was possessed by the spirit of Elizabeth that could then change into her "Baby" form
In the games, the lines from Elizabeth specifically say "Why won't you let me play with her? Didn't you make her just for me?" Which would imply that in the games, WILLIAM built Baby for HIS daughter, and you could take rhe theory even further if you think that the sticky-note room would be an Elizabeth-Bot being possessed by Charlie coming into consciousness, or possibly Vanessa being the Teenage-Charlie-Bot equivalent for Elizabeth in this timeline
(Edit) Not only do the Baby Parallels make sense, but also, Henry and William's situations are similar. They both lost children, then threw themselves into "putting them back together" both of their spouses left them and took the other child, then they were both killed by animatronics they created, (Henry made one, Willam was SpringTrapped) both also had hidden bunkers/establishments under their houses
Finally!! Someone who mentions the ear piece! Thanks!!!
FuhNaff brought it up originally, I highly recommend his videos!
Honestly, it just comes off as fanfiction to me...the main idea is "well why would company do bad thing? And we know nothing about Mrs afton, therefore she's leading the company and doing everything". There's just not...enough there to substantiate this.
Rye, I hope you know I’m absorbing all your videos for when I attempt to make a timeline of my own lmao
Anything to help 🙏
dude this thing is gonna be the most autistic shit you’ve ever seen😭
Ooooooh. You had me at a "burrow" for a rabbit.
My biggest question is, why didn't they demolish the fnaf 6 location? They built OVER it. I feel there needed to be some sort of afton-ish influence to make that decision. It's pretty sus.
That's fair
Well in the Mimic epilogues in the books, the contractors thought they were going to use the old pizza place as a museum. But then the mimic goes and kills a bunch of people and they seal the exits with cement. So the answer as to why it wasn't demolished? They didn't want to release a killer animatronic. And obviously they probably paid off all the people present so that the deaths of those guys didn't go public.
@@imaginefun13 I didn't know this! I need to read the mimic stories. They seem very important.
I've been going with the Afton/Glitchtrap is the "higher up" for a while. In fact, I figured the whole Pizzaplex plan was Glitchtrap pulling the strings the whole time.
There is one minor thing about Gregory is an animatronic that I think needs to be brought up though.
I think we've been misled to some degree. In the game Freddy shows continuous wear and tear as the night goes on. And part of me wonders if the game isn't taking place during a single night.
We have nothing to go by except the Fazwatch and considering it is connected to the Pizzaplex's network means it could be unreliable information.
If Gregory is an animatronic, he might need to recharge and the gameplay forces us to get to a recharge station each "night". So we could potentially be recharging Gregory during those moments. Additionally, these moments might be longer than we think. Gregory could be blacking out and we're only aware of what he is aware of.
Maybe the biggest twist in the story is we are spending Five Nights at Freddy's.
I mean, when the doors open in the morning no one is showing up for work. The post game takes place after opening the Pizzaplex. Where are the employees or customers?
This is a better counter argument over the CEO then I've seen that isn't just "Matpat bad so he's wrong".
Technology vs The Supernatural is such a good narrative I’m glad you pointed that out…kinda blew my mind
(Respectfully, also, I love game theory) That ultimate fnaf timeline made by game theory is when the rubberband bursts, and as consequence of its burst, we suddenly notice how far we have been stretching it.
I never thought about a possible meaning behind mr.burrows name, good job. from gregory waking up freed of a probable glithtrap control, burntrap and the blob being pretty much unexplained(except for the epilogues), to burrows and edwin dying in their first story, Security Breach Feels like an already planned sequel to something that's about to come, i'm more and more convinced about ruin to be a prequel.
I’m gonna go with both
Though I would’ve said that even before the video came out
Lol fair
ANOTHER SMALL PRO GREGBOT DETAIL:
It’s not damning or anything, but I’m fairly certain that there is a bandaid on the crying child’s left knee in the character encyclopedia and it’s the same for Gregory’s model in security breach. Just another thing to keep in mind :)
Charlie taking over makes sense for Gregory going violent towards the others. If Afton was controlling them then it would make sense for Charlie to want them gone.
The encyclopedia calls out the visual effect Vanny has on Greggory in her entry, if I'm not mistaken. That'd be weird for an artistic choice in the game.
Mr. Burrow is very compelling to me, though.
Mr. Burrows couldn't be LESS appealing to me;
HAVING HIM BE A GREEDY FOOL FEELS LAZY & NARRATIVELY UNSATISFYING; That's why I Prefer Mrs. Afton being the CEO;
THAT'S ALSO WHY I DON'T LIKE THE STORYTELLER!
I liked it a lot when you talked about Mr.borrow! i like hearing people talk about characters that are less known/talked about
Thank you for discussing Matpat’s theory with such an open mind! The toxicity and hate I keep seeing online because of this theory has been suffocating, and it’s not even directed at me! Your community has been such a positive impact in the fandom, so thank you again!
Pretty Much my thoughts. I will note two things: Ms. Afton's bot on the table could also be at the furthest away spot on the table. And, a theory I've been toying with but am not quite reading to release fully, I think the CEO wanted to use Afton's creations and past for some reason (part of what's being developed), as the new head they'd have access to a lot of the history and be aware of remnant and other supernatural properties, which even if they didn't fully understand it, I don't think its a stretch to say a greedy business-type person would want to cash in on that.
Great video, I agree with most of it as usual.
Honestly both points are totally valid. And thank you!
I have a very difficult time getting over the whole Mrs Afton thing mainly because it is such a big part of the theory as MatPat proposes it. Thank you for giving a good counterpoint on that part and showing how other options could still make sense in his timeline.
Of course! I still think the idea is right that someone higher up is being nefarious in some way, just tried to add another option
Beesechurger!
I really liked MatPat's theory, although it has been such a long time Immortal and the Restless was fully mentioned that I spent most of my time watching that video wondering where the heck he pulled the name Clara from, and just waited to see his explanation. I honestly just now remembered that Clara was the name of the wife in the show, lol.
About the Mr Burrows part, although I don't agree with you, because I've always felt like Mrs. Afton just not existing at all in the game lore was frustrating and that theory finally gave her an actual role that makes sense, it is a beautiful example of Hanlon's Razor: "Don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity".
I totally get preferring Clara to Mr. Burrows, it does feel a bit more cohesive with her. Also, side note. I like Hanlon's Razor in literature and personal relations, but I'm officially coining a counter for politicians and governments; RyeToast's Razor: "Don't forgive malice upon the assumption of stupidity."
While it could be Mrs Afton for game theory's reasons by the same logic could it not also Mrs Emily, Henry's wife?
I guess because she wouldn't want to bring back William?
@RyeToast Clearly Mrs. Emily and William had a brief but passionate love affair and she wants to relive her youth
@@RyeToast It could also be a Cassidy situation as she might want to torture him for killing her daughter or driving her husband insane depending on how much she knows or believes.
I think there's something to your recognition of the name "Burrows" as a literary device. I like that part a lot. I think including Mrs. Afton though isn't so much something completely out of left field as it is addressing what could be considered a plot related elephant in the room. Mrs. Afton was indeed a character in the series, so... What's her deal? I think it'd be unfortunate if she had absolutely no role in Security Breach. As for Capitalism being THE villain of FNAF, I can see that up to the point where Crying Child dies. I think after that point it's more about Afton refusing to accept blame for the death of his children all while trying to bring them back to life in some way. The criminal negligence which allowed children to get taken out by Afton I think is an extension of making fun of how creepy the animatronics of Chuck E. Cheese are in the original concept of FNAF. Otherwise there's a more dark and sinister side to why Afton's Sister Location robots were approved with claw mechanisms since there's no way those giant claw robots should have been approved!
The ongoing ‘joke’ of Fazbear Entertainment being lax about safety and pretty non chalant about the gruesome stuff going on is something that rarely gets addressed in the theories.
Mr Burrows as a venture capitalist scooping up the remains of Fazbear Entertainment to try to turn it around on the cheap works well for how VR, AR and the pizzaplex get made. Cutting corners results in Glitchtrap and building on the old site. (The storyteller and the epilogue mimic are both the result of trying to reuse old stuff to save time and money that end up biting the person that tried to take the shortcut in the butt). The sort of ‘sell out’ nature of AR fits that idea too.
Once Glitchtrap gets out, he can try to mold Vanessa and Gregory into being his children just as much as Mrs Afton could. One of Gregory’s ‘jobs’ was keeping an eye on Vanessa (and her therapists), so likely Afton had programmed Freddy to keep an eye on Gregory, basically putting Glamrock Freddy in the role of Micheal as the babysitter for the younger child.
i love the way you make commentary on other peoples theories :) love the ad cinematic universe too, as always
(ps you called charlie "charlie elizabeth" at the start just thought id mention it)
I know I'm kicking myself lol
With how futuristic this world is, life expectancies may be higher and medical equipment may be better so she could still either be somewhat fit or well taken care of by a life support system for example
I love how Rye makes the sponserships actually interesting by threading a little story into them.
I remember watching a playthrough of SB when it first came out and seeing the staff-bots and thinking "Why is nobody talking about this or having a reaction to it???" Even in MatPat's own playthrough I don't think he said anything about it. I was so confused. Of *anyone* I felt like he would have been the *first* to point out that design connection. The wires that FuhNaff pointed out was something I didn't notice though
I think its funny how rye just mentioned Gregbot and the cat just was like " I'm not sticking around for this, bye"
Ive been waiting to hear your thoughts about it and here it is!
Love your videos ❤
Thank you!! I'm glad
8:03 his cat doesn't seem to like Gregbot.
Me neither lol
On the subject of the Fourth Closet … we learn that Charlie ‘bot’ is not possessed by the spirit of Charlie, but is basically the result of Henry’s grief/sorrow/etc. So she is a the memory of Charlie given life by Henry’s emotions.
A similar idea could be what is happening with stuff like Glitchtrap, Burntrap, and the various Afton children. Glamrock Freddy may not be haunted by the spirit of Micheal, or his remnant, but instead a reflection of his memory. The ‘mimic’ thing that is popping up throughout the books (which seem to represent both Burntrap as an animatronic, and Glitchtrap as a computer program seem to feed into this sort of copycat thing.
The AI storyteller thing seems to be leading to a situation where the original games have been ‘fed’ to an AI, and thus it created a new Afton to make more stories. If the goal of Glitchtrap is to literally ‘continue the story of FNAF’ it takes old elements and remixes them, as AIs do. So it takes over a woman and tries to make her into Elizabeth. It takes over a young boy and tries to make him into a new crying child. It does something to Glamrock Freddy to make him a new Micheal. It crafts a new Springtrap and Molten Freddy. This storyteller AI may have even created its own Charlie and Cassidy, because stories require conflict.
It’s a possible super meta navel gazing idea, but the VR/AR/SB story might be about the franchise taking on a life of its own.
If the CEO of Fazbear entertainment isn't Mrs. Afton or somebody that knows about Afton then they have to be one of the WORST business managers that I've ever seen because why would they go through all the trouble of:
-Buying the company (considering its past and reputation with the missing children etc..)
-Creating a video game trilogy (presumably in order to cover up said reputation)
-Create a VR game the led to the birth of spring trap and the death of Jeremy the guy that sliced his face off (Note: They didn't stop after that whatsoever and even seemed to cover the whole thing up in order to keep developing the game)
-Build a HUGE MALL on top of a SINK HOLE that just so happens to be right on top of the old location that William was buried regardless of what experts told them, even if property belonged to Fazbear Ent WHY THE HELL would you build your MILLION DOLLAR MALL on top of property that could cave in at any moment??
There's so much more to this that leads me to believe that the new CEO of Faz Ent cannot be randomly doing all of these things just for money. there has to be more to the story then that.
Just wanted to say your videos are very comfy to watch while lying down or eating lunch or something
I'm glad you think so!
Honestly the whole CEO situation reminds me of when Fnaf 2 came out and people were speculating that purple guy was phone guy - because that was literally the only character we knew anything about. The CEO could easily be a new character that we haven't been introduced to yet but is just being set up by the franchise right now. We don't need to pigeonhole a previous character to be the CEO to theorise about their actions and motivations
maybe gregory is not a robot. but someone has to be. if charlie is comunicating with someone coming to consciusness (and assuming that charlie would only help a child or at least someone with good intentions) and that person comunicates in binary before learning to write normally we require a robot. And one that acts for the forces of good
I miss fnaf 1-3 story, the souls, a man in the shadows that turns in a zombie green bunny rotting in a horror attraction in 2015
Excellent video and I tend to agree with just about everything. However I do find the Mrs Afton angle compelling and I am curious of some of the smaller things like the dining table scene with the staff bots do get paid off. Love the videos as always, keep it up!
I love your videos and never get tired of them.I hope that some day you can enjoy doing this full time
10:55 there's also the fact that in the original Trilogy, the Sound Illusion Disc works on Charlie the exact same way as it works on regular people.
Has anyone suggested that “the Baobab Tree” may have been a rollercoaster placed where the racetrack was?
That all of the “cables” were the tracks & the giant Freddy head was a system that did full body scans of people who rode through it?
Plot twist: Phone Dude from FnaF 3 is the head of Fazbear Entertainment.....And then watch as this somehow, from left field actually be true in the DLC or future installments in the book series.
I’m not sure how the upcoming movies go into this but I was confused when they casted a female villain who is too old to be Vanessa and so when the Clara Afton theory dropped, I thought it fit perfectly
Yeah a lot of times you can almost tangibly taste Scott's prior history with Corporatism as a low level employee in a big chain hardware store.
I think another problem with the Mrs Afton thing, that goes hand in hand with the aging problem, is...why would a woman who left her husband in her 30-40s sometime in the late 80s want to come back and do this all when she's in her Golden Years having not thought about it forever....also why would the paperwork she gets from being next of kin include aspects about spiritual sci-fi garbage?
It honestly makes way more sense for Fazbears to just be controlled by moneygrubbing cynical 1%ers that just don't give a shit about anything but appealing to nostalgia for money, and even if Gregory is a robot, to have been built after Glitchtrap took control of some people and built him. Not to mention Vanny is just generically villainous rather than being cooperative in the way that a daughter would be, because she's possessed and influenced BY the essence of William, not Emily's spirit.
Also I still have like...next to no understanding how we jumped to the conclusion that Glamrock Freddy is Michael, besides him just being protective of Gregory as opposed to dangerous...which...would just be conflicting programming that already exists. The monologue from them going down to see the blob is probably him remembering being possessed and doing things before, and then in Security Breach he's just being the Freddy he was SUPPOSED to be before Glitchtrap influence. Like...I don't get the point. Same with the Charlie possessing the Pizzaplex thing, even if that has more proof. It's dumb enough that William doesn't go away, just let people die.