Why you should verify your Oil Injection System on a "new to you" 2 stroke powered vehicle!
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I had a so-called certified mechanic install the oil pump linkage on my 2-stroke outboard on the wrong side. It was easy enough to do since it just clips on. It took me years of trying to figure out why it was running rich, idling poorly, smoking like crazy, and fouling plugs to finally search up a shop manual that showed a drawing of the pump set up correctly. The fix literally took 2 seconds and not only did it now look like the picture, but setting marks for idle and WOT now lined up. I paid that guy some serious money to screw that up for me.
Other things I discovered he put back on wrong: The hose that is supposed to deliver water from the top of the engine to the poppet valve was run straight to the tell-tale, and the hose that is supposed to go to the tell-tale was run through the thermal air valve to the poppet valve. Like, seriously. He had to add a hose to do it. The hose that was supposed to go from the thermal air valve to the carburetors was just lying in the bottom of the cowling. I'm surprised it ran at all. This also required a dive into the service manual for me to find a diagram of the correct plumbing. Now I am concerned if he managed to screw things up this badly on the outside, did he get the work he was doing inside the engine correct? It seems to run ok now, but short of tearing the powerhead open I can't inspect it.
Then, this other time I had the steering cable replaced by a different shop, and the joker managed to put the pinion upside-down so that the boat steered backwards! (The motor needed to be lifted to get the cable in/out is why I didn't do it myself.) He also managed to crush the transom by over-torqueing 2 of the bolts. Luckily the shop fixed it for free and fired the guy but it was still a huge hassle.
I've also had nothing but trouble with a KLX250 that had an after market exhaust on it. I figured I was getting a deal until I found out that the carb had been modified and the airbox as well, so it had lots of power but otherwise ran like crap! It took me a new carburetor and snorkel to finally get it running correctly. (Yes, snorkel. People thing removing it gives more airflow, and it does at low speeds, but it creates turbulence at high speeds. Kawasaki didn't spend the money to equip the bike with the snorkel just to make it worse! You ain't making it better by removing it! Same with drilling holes in the air box and other dumb things people do.)
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I wish there was a way I could show you this somewhere else, now I see what's really happening. The seller had capped off the nipple cone from the oil tank and capped off two other Hoses connecting to the oil pump. And the hose connected to the manifold... IS JUST CONNECTED TO THE OTHER VACUUM LINE OF THE GAS VENT PETCOCK.. man are some folks stupid. I thank you for showing this. And I'm saying g this now because this is the exact same scooter I have and now I see where that's supposed to be going. I appreciate it
Really clear explanation, great video.
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Is it better to remove that oil pump and just mix yourself even if the pump is working? 2005 LT 80 new to me.
My jet ski mechanic tells me 2 stroke oil injectors rarely fail. What causes the problem is old supply lines that get brittle and leak . Replace your oil injector lines often and you are fine running straight gasoline.
Agree with your mechanic...keep them...😎
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i have a baja sc 50 i just got it and I've been trying to make it run, already changed the cdi just to make sure, new spark plug and charged the battery... now when i put gas for some reason it goes to the oil tank... i really don't know that much about scooters and I'll appreciate some help
Pw80 s the throttle cable splits off sometimes oil injection part of the cable breaks while the throttle cable does not break running the engine dry
Wouldnt the pump still be getting oil, just not the carbs if the B.B is in the output just before the carb?
If my oil pump is bad, is it less optimal to run premix? I don't want to repair it unless it is in fact more optimal. Will I have to change the jets on my carb if I choose to run premix full time?
For how many gass fills do you pour oil in the oil compartment for the injector? and how much? My scooter doesnt seem to have an analog gauge for that
How do you determine how much two stroke should be pumped through?
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When I remove a oil pump system on a PWC , I remove everything...pump, lines etc. I put a large decal at the fuel fill and dash indicating that it runs on pre-mix fuel and ratio it requires.
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What do you think about bleeding the oil lines by removing the spark plug(s) and the lines from the manifold and running the starter or kick starter until no air is left in them and you see oil only? Thanks.
My golf carts got oil injection Yamaha putting out plenty of oil but the engine you can tell is very dry not getting lubrication even though I've got it mixed in with the fuel also, my question is if there's fuel flowing out of the carburetor could it be given it so much fuel did it's washing down the Rings and making it want to seize Xtreme Wear.
Does anyone know how to test oil pump.. Honda elite 50... thanks!
I hew scooter 2 stroke and i vant to mix oil/gass not using oil pum vat sulf i do?
I am repairing a golf cart for a friend it has the same style pump I took the pump apart and nothing is stuck lose or worn and seems to move correctly, my question is how can you tell if the pump is bad? Most people are just scared of systems they don't understand, can't see it with your eyes you can't have faith in it! I think they are a proven injection pump system if maintenance is kept up right changing filters regularly.
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I have an oil injector on an old Honda dirt bike that seems to be letting oil leak into the manifold when the engine is off. Is there some seal in the unit that can be replaced to fix the leak?
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I've had oil pumps fail on me twice, costing me an engine rebuild both times. I just premix gas and run the tank dry. Never had an issue.
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Me too!! Had a jet ski blow up on the middle of river. Will never trust those pumps again.
On some motors one of the oil feed lines lubricates an engine bearing, so if you decommision the pump and run premix only you starve one of the crank bearings.
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Green machine, i have a question.. i have suzuki v100 scooter.. i have a problem with 2t oil that go to the bearing.. it doesnt flow there. why is that happen.
Was that a zl in the background? Wicked bikes.
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Great video😊 I had a lot of 2 stroke street bikes over the years like my 12 year old Yamaha DT125R in the profile picture still on its original engine with oil injection and never had and issues, With proper maintenance and good two stroke oil you shouldn't have a probem
And it's also necessary on a lot of motorcycle engines to maintain that oil pump because it not only mixes with the fuel, it lubricates engine parts. Premixing only works until you burn up your engine.
@@johnjriggsarchery2457 100% bullshit. You dont know what you are talking about. It does not lubricate any engine parts. Thats what the crank oil is for. It injects oil into carb. I've personally seen 3 motors blow due to oil pump.
I have a spree 50cc. How much oil is suppose to come out of the line at an idle?? It just just dribbles. Is that correct amount?
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One I just bought was ran dry and it wasnt pumping oil. It destroyed the cylinder. I bled the pump like the other video shows, and now its running great with the new cylinder.
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I have a 1972 cs3 and plan on removing the oil injection system what oil gas mix should i use
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Where do the lines from the oil pump on top go on the carb
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So, you mentioned the importance of verifying the oil injection system but I'm not really seeing how to verify it, other than making sure there's not some bb jammed in the line?
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Its a pretty old video and I'd have to watch it all to see or point out a time. I would think I would have mentioned that there are 3 steps to always do:
1. verify oil comes out the bleed screw (while buring air)
2. Verify oil is full in the lines to the carb/intake (and pumping)
3. Check how the spark plugs are burning...
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He was basically saying verify if the system as been manipulated. If you assume the oil injection system is doing its job and just throw regular gas in the gas tank you'll blow it up. He just wants you to know if you need to premix or not was the purpose of this vid.
man...i just rebuilt a polaris trailboss 250. and i am so fkn paranoid that the oil pump isnt working... i took it apart while i had the engine off and cleaned it and just checked the little diaphram and o-rings. but the bike doesn't smoke.. i rode it for about 10 min and she seems to run great. but the engine is noisy. im hoping its just the pull start that is noisy but its hard to tell. the clear line that run from pump to maniold is full. but i cant tell..i like to see smoke on a dam 2 stroke. the plug looks perfect nice light brown. i pulled maniold off and its dry.. the piston looks ok and looks a little wet. idk i cant afford to fry this topened
If unsure if the oil pump is working on a fresh engine, your always better off adding a little premix to the first tank and then pulling the oil output line and watching it pump out...which that with bleeding as shown should ALWAYS be done anyway...make sense?
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Older bikes feed oil to the intake, and the crank bearing on the oil pump side. Check to see if that is the case.
If it is, leave the tank, and that line, or run it on a loop from the case itself.
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So just leave everything hooked up oe and premix?
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What bike is it?
If the bike has 2 lines coming from the oiler, yes. If it only oils the intake, you can just premixed, but there wont be oil in the pump.
A re-route is for bikes with 2 lines. You disconnect and plug the oiler to intake line, and the hole, but leave the one that goes to the crank. Then you have the pump take oil from the case, and premix.
The easiest way is to just use it as-is if it has a crank oiler.
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@@r1nger81 so all i do is plug the intake line off and then premix the gas my scooter oils crank bearings too
So my 2 stroke doesn't have that. How could I add an oil tank, oil pump and oil vectors to my 66cc 2 stroke motorized bicycle chopper
Unlikely as the engine case is not built with it in mind...google for a kit and see what pops up...
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@@How2Wrench not sure when it where your next life session is. I am in San Antonio Texas and this build I am currently working on has been an interesting lesson in thinking outside the box and self fabricating things just out if parts and other stuff I've had lying around.the complete wiring harness is homemade. The jackshaft is all self-fabricated, as well as the bottom bracket with sealed bearings and the spindle for the pedal chainring. The exhaust I am currently in the design process to get the look I want and as close to a tuned pipe I can do myself out if a few hand tools. Nothing that I have fabricated has been created in a shop or with shop tools. This will be a very fun and nice running 66cc motorized bicycle once I get the rest of the fabrication finished. I thought I had heard about newer carbs that had the oil injection built in them?
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Simon Sullivan street bikes are different there not exposed to mud and dirt like a atv or dirt bike is I personally just don't trust oil injection.
Wonder how many people blame the pump for blowing up engine when they just forgot to refill the oil tank
True story...🤣
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Have you ever seen the gear drive that drives the oil pump , 9 times out of 10 there plastic , if you want to rely on a plastic gear drive to lube your engine then good luck with that one , most guys with scooters that are modified just delete the pump and run premix , heaps better , much simpler , less stuff hanging off your motor ie oil lines , oil tank and pump drive and your motor gains a little more power from not having to drive that stupid pump.
So....
That’s a scooter, not a moped
What would we possibly do without you...:)