Putting this response I made to someone here for anyone who might think I've been insanely ignorant: I'll be the first to admit I'm a layman, but I've watched the review back so as to be able to respond to some other comments, and I don't talk about the movement all that much. Granted, that might be doing it a disservice, but it seems my main hang-up (I haven't handled the watch since I made this video well over a year ago) was the QC and the price. I think I read about the Tuna history here (have done a quick Google to see my admittedly not academic-level research): thespringbar.com/blogs/guides/the-seiko-tuna-collectors-guide/ I've not changed my mind that the price seems steep. There are other models, albeit now discontinued, with the same movement that retail for much less (SBBN035 and SBBN031, for example). The latter has the same movement but comes on a bracelet and retails for less, but has a Hardlex crystal, making me think Seiko is charging about £300 for a sapphire crystal (another user also pointed this out). I understand this movement is well built for compression diving, as others have noted, and that it can handle pressures whilst remaining accurate, has magnetic resistance, etc, etc. but a watch is a whole package. If it was purely based on movements alone, there would be no reason to buy a Zelos with an NH35 over a Pagani Design equipped with the same.
Probably the most unqualified review of this watch by anyone to date. If you don't understand the value of a watch with such a unique quartz movement and heritage, you're simply ignorant.
Sorry, this comment totally fell under my radar, apologies. I'll be the first to admit I'm a layman, but I've watched the review back so as to be able to respond to some other comments, and I don't talk about the movement all that much. Granted, that might be doing it a disservice, but it seems my main hang-up (I haven't handled the watch since I made this video well over a year ago) was the QC and the price. I think I read about the Tuna history here (have done a quick Google to see my admittedly not academic-level research): thespringbar.com/blogs/guides/the-seiko-tuna-collectors-guide/ I've not changed my mind that the price seems steep. There are other models, albeit now discontinued, with the same movement that retail for much less (SBBN035 and SBBN031, for example). The latter has the same movement but comes on a bracelet and retails for less, but has a Hardlex crystal, making me think Seiko is charging about £300 for a sapphire crystal (another user also pointed this out). I understand this movement is well built for compression diving, as others have noted, and that it can handle pressures whilst remaining accurate, has magnetic resistance, etc, etc. but a watch is a whole package. If it was purely based on movements alone, there would be no reason to buy a Zelos with an NH35 over a Pagani Design equipped with the same.
Sorry bud, I have to say you didn't do your homework on this one. The 7c46 movement is one of the most revered quartz movements out there. It's also a saturation diver, domed sapphire crystall and the lume never quits. I was also surprised by the price however this watch is in a league on its own. Love your channel but please do some homework before slagging off on a fine watch. This is not a $300 plastic Solar tuna.
I get that while the 7C46 is an incredibly robust and revered quartz movement, my major gripe from what I can remember was the build quality of the piece for the price. The bezel action, for example, made it unusable as a diver. And while the movement is built for extreme depths and to be used for a lifetime, that bezel absolutely wasn't, which I couldn't accept at the price, especially given this is one of those rare instances of a dive watch that might be used for diving! I should also say I love Seiko's designs and know they do incredible things with their calibres, but if they put them in poorly executed cases (as I believe they have done in this one case), then I won't just let their history mean they get away with it. I'm sure many other people have this same watch and it doesn't have any issues with the bezel, which only goes to show their QC isn't consistent and buying one can feel like a lottery. I think a lot of people just assumed I hate Seiko because of this, haha, but I actually did another video on a different model which I loved. I appreciate your feedback, though, and I agree that Seiko lume is on another level. Also, I want to look at some of their awesome Presage dress watches, as some of the dials at that price point are insane!
@@LumePip you spent most of the review mocking the fact it was a quartz for 1300 quid, and what other things you could get with that cash..without knowing anything about it. It is like your mate loaned you the watch for you to make a massive fool out of yourself with, guving you enough rope to hang yourself.
No it isn't a $300 'plastic' Solar tuna. The latter, for all practical purposes, is a far better watch. The solar has a movement that will never need a battery change; its lume is easily comparable and its movement of excellent quality that will last just as long at the 7c46. True, it is a 200 metre as opposed to a 300 metre dive watch. Yet has that really mattered to anyone? Just consider that the Tudor Pelagos XD, designed for French naval divers, has a rating for 200. Good enough for them, good enough for me. Hardex as opposed to Sapphire, sure. A diving watch with a sapphire crystal (sorry Rolex!) is not a good idea. They will shatter on impact. Hardex, in contrast, will just bear punishment. Moreover, the protective outer casing being 'plastic' is a positive benefit. It means that the watch is light (an underrated consideration in watches), and will not be a 'scratch magnet.' Best of all, the price of the Solar Tuna is respectable and does not take the customer for a ride.
This video just popped up in my suggestions and when I realised I had actually laughed out loud several times during a watch review I realised this was something special! I liked what I saw so much I’ve just watched all your videos. Other than suffering from extreme dehydration due to all that dry humour I am a big fan of what you’re doing. I’ve liked, I’ve subscribed and I even rang the bell. Keep up the great work 👍
The old tuna sbbn031 without sapphire was around 1100$ and nobody complained about the price. This new tuna with sapphire costs 1400$. So 300$ price increase for this upgrade is not that much. For comparison Sinn charges 500€ for sapphire.
Fair enough, Terry. I agree on the whole 20k Rolex thing. Those that might appreciate them more for what they are and what they do, as tool watches (although I wouldn't be wearing a Sub for putting a shelf up!), will only be willing to pay retail and end up on the dreaded, seemingly eternal, waiting list of doom.
Not only is Seiko older than Rolex, but an important, perhaps the MOST important part of Seiko's heritage is its development of dive watches. Not only are the real Tunas iconic, but the movement in this watch is the same as used in the original Tuna that gave the line its nickname, and is still relevant today, being specially built to handle great depths. The idea that you're supposed to be a watch enthusiast, yet, are so ignorant as to equate this with cheap modern quartz movements as found in, say, Casios and Citizens, is laughable.
I think I didn’t appreciate the movement’s heritage but also thought the watch was steep as an overall package. My complaints were mainly regarding the strap (which really could do with a second keeper) and the bezel, which has no resistance and a lot of play in it for a watch at that price. Plus I don’t think at any point I equated it with Casio and Citizens, did I?? 🤔if I did, I shouldn’t have, but watching it back, I don’t think I mention them at all. I mention buying an Oris/CW/actual tins of tuna instead, which I still would over this. I remember it not feeling like the £300 price hike they’d given it over the non-sapphire model was justified, which other commenters had mentioned. Also, I do say, if you like this and other Seiko models around this price, “more power to you.” I’ve done a video on a Seiko I liked, too, and would do more if I could afford to keep buying them in.
Couldn't be happier with mine. In fact I wear it so much and is so comfy that its stopped me from buying the steel bracelet AND a dressier Grand Seiko. Honestly cannot stop looking at it. Managed to get £190 off too. But it is expensive for a Seiko quartz - even super quartz.
Long live the TUNA DIVER'S 200M 300M, 600M and the 1000M. Bro, TUNA is the type of watch you have to hate to appreciate it. TUNA is not for everyone. Matter of fact, I get millions of compliments on my SEIKO 5 SNKL23 than any of my TUNA. Additionally, while I demonstrably disagree with your opinions I am gracious enough to respect your review and I thank you for your constructive criticism. I will add however, your objective criticism and dislike is equally shared across all SEIKOS of the modern Era. SEIKOS QC has declined yet the prices have gone up. That I agree. God Bless. Greetings from USA 🇺🇸
I have worn my Prospex “Baby Tuna Automatic “ while building houses and remodeling houses for the past 3 years, every day practically, excluding the weekends. I am ABSOLUTELY AMAZED how brutally tough and robust the automatic movement in Seiko Prospex watches are. Unbelievable.
This may be my inner fan boy but the 7c46 quarts movement part of the draw of the tunas, you can only get them in tunas. they are super tough with 7 jewels and fully serviceable. although the stated accuracy is ± 15sec a month they frequently get less than 3 sec a month. There are also 10 years marked out of the back of the watch to show you when your next battery change is due so seiko expects it to last that long right out of the gate. The second had will almost always be aligned, the 7c46 is well-known for good second hand alignment. , but they aren't for everyone and i understand that, the same way a Rolex to me makes no sense to me at all. they are exy and generic looking, their lume is the best thing about them.
That’s really interesting! I didn’t know this movement had such prowess. And it’s cool that it’s only found in Tuna models, but I stand by what I say in the video about it being overpriced. The bezel action did it for me! Also, absolutely fair to be a fanboy sometimes, mate! There are some brands that do that to us! Thanks for the wicked comment 👍👍
@@LumePip i cant disagree with you there. they are not cheap and the bezel action on that one did look like a lemon, that really isnt acceptable at all for the price. my tunas bezel has an amazing action, feel and sound as they should. in my case i bought the watch for life so its high inital cost seems irrelevant to me but thats not for everyone. Thanks for the detailed reply, its much appreciated 👍
I'm totally happy with mine. Have it on now actually. I don't have any QC issues. Bezel it tight as a fishs' arse and everything lines up great. I see value in it and I'll be looking to picking up one or two more in the darth variety.
An honest review for THAT particular watch and I agree with what you say about the possible QC . The problem is that with anything that is on a large production scale , be it cars , bikes , home electricals etc , you're going to get good and bad regardless of the price , and that's unfortunate but it's a real world problem. I'm a big fan of Seiko and have a couple of their models which are fantastic , one being the king turtle manta ray , what I do like about the tuna is that it looks a beautiful designed watch , Seiko's seem to have aesthetics designed very well but then again I like Japanese watches so maybe I'm biased ?
It used to be only serious divers would buy proper (saturation) divers watches (Seiko, Rolex, Doxa, Omega, etc.) and they would use them as an actual dive instrument. They probably didn't care too much if the chapter ring alignment is off by 1/2 minute, or so, etc. Back then, the average person wouldn't normally want to wear these oversized watches (as proper divers watches typically would be) in his day to day life to start with. Nowadays, however, we've got the average "office drone" Joe wanting the same dive instrument on his wrist to make him look cool while he is in the office (or a shopping mall) and is concerned about these trivial little details that don't really impair the functionality as a dive instrument.
Agreed! I’m honestly thinking of picking up another Manta Ray Samurai, I really miss it. And that’s a nice collection of very cool Seikos, mate. And I do think they offer good value at that price!
Strange take on a legend dive watch. When I look at the totality of reviews on these models, yours stands out as the only negative one. There may be some qc issues there - get them fixed and enjoy a monster of a watch. I just picked one up and it's perfect. Not to attack you or your channel - I am very entertained on the whole and look forward to future content. For me, this review was a complete swing and miss though.
Mine is good. -4 seconds in six months and a positive bezel action. I paid less than £900 new in 2021which is stupidly expensive but I’m not disappointed. I can read the time (old dude) and it’s accurate, it won’t break or leak and won’t stop for years.
Did your mate loan you this watch, just to see you make a massive fool out of yourself with it? That watch is a proper tool watch, used for saturation diving, Japanese saturation divers tried the automatic movements in them and they didn't work, hence going to Qaurtz. It is one of the most robust movements on the planet. That watch is an icon. What all dive watches should be.
He did, yeah. I think his words were, “Hey, go make a massive fool out of yourself with this.” I think - not 100% sure as I don’t like watching my own videos back like a psycho - I also mentioned the strap not having a second keeper and the bezel action being absolutely rubbish, but I suppose all the saturation divers you knock about with in Japan mentioned those things being really beneficial too, right?
The back play in the bezel is intentional as this allows you to clean the silt and salt out after diving . A classic working dive watch the original “ Grandfather Tuna “ had 20 patents . Awesome backup watch ;)
That’s really interesting, I didn’t know that at all. Thanks for that! I think from the example I spent time with, it’s a very overpriced watch which shouldn’t have left the factory. Honestly, the bezel action was nonexistent! 👀
Who's being screwed paying a small fortune to watch brand name or a descent watch brand that pays its customer affordability and dependability i'll go SEIKO EASY
I think Citizen makes better Quartz dive watches and at less than half the price of that wearable disappointment. Your Tuna metaphor made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
I have one of those too if you're interested, no hard feelings about the beat down on my Tuna 🤣 Seiko has been getting a roasting lately, no wonder I can't sell the thing. Seems the price hikes and total lack of QC are finally turning off buyers.
Talking about the metal keeper on the rubber strap. I have a seiko save the ocean turtle and it has a metal keeper supplied with it. it tends to let the strap fall out of it and I have to push it back into position. A much better option would be to use a rubber keeper as this would hug the strap more tightly and prevent undue movement.
I got one of these in black second hand basically new for £240. I agree that you’d be mad to pay over a grand for one of these. But to disagree, the movement of the bezel is perfectly fine. I can’t speak for the state of your 1.3k watch, but mine is firm and smooth and I have nothing to complain about, so it might be something that varies between each timepiece (like you said their quality control could be slacking)
Ive long struggled with the way seiko prices have been heading north & with the QC issues that seem to have become a feature of the brand (& I'm a Seiko fan boy!) This can of tuna at £1300 is a bit of an insult. Come on Seiko sort it out!!
Another great review and again lots of brilliant jokes! 👍😂👏 As for the watch: I totally agree you do expect better quality at that price! This fish is definitely off! 😉
Thanks, mate! Always appreciated. Haha, yep, not the sort of thing you want to have to deal with for £1300. I think I've ran out of fish puns at this point, just when they're really starting to catch on.
I agree, seiko need to sort themselves out.. I moved to brands to Casio and there quality control is better than the majority of the big Swiss brands. Especially Oceanus!
I've heard great things about the Oceanus, and watching JOMW's video on his made me look into their price on the second-hand market. Maybe one day. Perfect everyday pieces, though!
It’s definitely unforgettable! I think I because of the thinner bezel, the dial looks even bigger. For bigger wrists, nice choice, though, and can be had for a decent price too 🙌
Leaning towards a Land Tortoise of a mini-Turtle personally. Each about a half-o-G or so. Thanks for dissuading my from this thirteen hundred dollar lark.
1300£ for a quartz 300meter diver is insane... I recently bought a Zelos Hammerhead V3 for only 260£. Its nh35 powered (zelos regulated to almost cosc spec) , 300meter diver with amazing build quality.
I think some have mentioned it's a high-end quartz movement and it's got a 5-year battery life, but even so, I agree! Their prices have been going up in the last few years, and I just don't see the value in their models above £500.
@@LumePip well that's kinda decent but still , wouldnt pay over 500 either... I don't tend to build the same relationship with a quartz model as with mechanical watches.
I bought an Alpina Seastrong Quartz a few months ago for a really good sale price (half MSRP) as I couldn't afford this, my dream watch. I have to say I'm supremely impressed with it so far, and the pictures online do not do it justice in person (the PVD isn't matte, it's as shiny as polished SS). (no affiliation with Alpina). Hadn't even heard of the watch brand in my multi year quest for the do it all dream watch that met my specs. It was an easy choice. This would have to be cheaper for me to justify it. Worth a look for anyone looking for a 44 mm, 300 m, sapphire diver, quartz, with 22 mm band, and a lug to lug of just under 50 mm. Second to this for me was the 44 mm Longines Hydroconquest quartz but the lug to lug of 55+ mm was a show stopper.
Good question! I’ve only seen what’s on TH-cam and on the Scottish Watches podcast, but seems like a pretty big balls up from them. Though I’m not an expert on it by any stretch. Do you know any more about it than me? It wouldn’t take much! But what’s your take on it?
I really like the channel and the boys, they are very entertaining and I have watched them from the beginning, but I think when their videos start getting well over an hour long people started to drop off, so this little stunt has brought many back to see what is going to happen next. I think they are very clever, but have upset a few people along the way, it’s their channel and their business, so they can try whatever they like 👍
Yeah, I was a bit late to the party on the whole thing to be honest. I heard they were making longer videos, and I don’t mind that usually, but I suppose this was part of a wider thing. It’s been good in general for the whole watch community, though - people who mightn’t have normally been bothered have been drawn in by the drama 😂not much of that here unfortunately ha
Agree, Seiko sweet spot is around £500...had an alpinist, beautiful but inaccurate and a new 6r35 Sumo, a really stunning watch in person but the movement was useless (+ or - minutes per day, & not consistent)... Whereas my Turtle was a great watch which easily out performed it's pricier siblings!!! The Tuna is an icon, but quartz isn't my thing...too expensive? Almost certainly, but we pay for what we value and that's up to the owners to decide, I've got many thing that others wouldn't want at any price but I'm OK with that as long as it makes me happy. Cheers Mate 👍🏻👍🏻
I couldn’t have put it better myself! My Sea Urchin ran like a tank - bumpy, unorthodox and borderline unusable. I loved it though, and the price was right. If people love the quartz, more power to ‘em, but the bezel on this actually angered me! Not up to snuff for the money. 😕
Another hit seiko with a big stick video 😂 Quality is piss poor on a good day if you want quality seiko you need to spend big on GS. Another great vid mate keep up the good work.
Haha, it seems to be the done thing at the moment! I’d love to try a GS, too, mate. And now they’ve ditched the power reserve indicator on some of their dials, I think they’re even more appealing. 🤟 And thanks for the support mate, really appreciate it!
@@LumePip I’m tempted by a GS but think i would go spring drive . Best of both worlds . Good thing is if Mrs O asks if that’s another watch can shrug her off with it’s just a Seiko 😂
That’s a very good workaround! The spring dive with the power reserve at the back. At about 6 grand, a tad rich for my tastes, but I’d love to have a look in person and see what all the fuss is about…
Not going to jump on the Seiko hate wagon as I love the brand and how well it serves All market segments. Besides it’s become “in” to hate on Seiko...Breitling...Tag...to name a few. If you want to play with the cool kids then echo back Rolex, Tudor, Omega...and Oris. Just shying away from the higher priced Seiko models as there are other more refined options. For example many of the lower to mid range Swatch group brands.
I think if there’s a hate wagon, then I think there’s an issue. I didn’t get this watch in my hands and think, “I like this watch, but there are some other people who don’t like the brand at the moment so I’ll feign hate for the sake of views” - I hardly have any sway or following on here, I do this off my own back and not because I want to ensure I’m conforming with the opinions of others. If people like Seiko and want to see their profits soar at the expense of quality, then I suggest they join their board of directors. I’m not going to deny there are models from more favoured brands that mightn’t deserve it, but I can only review what’s put in front of me. I’ve paid the money a Tuna costs for an Oris and, yes, much to many people’s dismay, it seems, it’s far superior. If people disagree, that’s cool, and I’m happy to hear others’ experiences. Like I say in the video, I think Seiko CAN offer great models a bit further down the pricing pyramid. And hey, there’s Grand Seiko for the high-end lux space too. I’d love to try one of those one day! ❄️
And that’s a really cool piece! Honestly, it’s disappointing because pieces like your Turtle are such great watches and you would hope that’s replicated in the higher priced ones, but alas, it’s not to be, it seems! 🙌 Thanks mate
This is ridiculous. 1300 pounds for a frigging quartz? What? With that second hand accuracy of a Star Wars' Storm Trooper? WTAF? I said "I'm done with Seiko" years ago and I stand by it even more so. Great footage and commentary ☺️👍
It's not your run of the mill quartz. That's like saying all petrol engines are the same. Agreed the accuracy of the seconds hand is very subpar, I'm sure hoping my copy won't be as bad.
This isn't the only Seiko in this price territory, with quality issues. It's really sad because up to now I've thought of them as the benchmark for Japanese quality. Stay safe Mr Pip:-)
Seiko have great designs, but the QC and sometimes even the materials leave a lot to be desired... Especially when there are homages out there doing it better for far less.
Solar tuna. Sure you have to replace the awful shroud and bracelet, but then you end up with something less than half the price that most people won't be able to differentiate between. Stated accuracy is the same and the battery won't die on you. Sure you lose 100 m WR but I suspect that many Seiko buyers don't actually dive... Great video thanks
Ditto! Luckily I’ve had a couple of other Seiko’s that might’ve won me back round ha. Hopefully the vid can go up tonight. Not sure I’d drop the money Seiko want on them when there are brands like Formex out there though! 🧐
There's definitely something off with the chapter ring, Seiko needs to sort it out its getting bad now, do love Seiko I have couple in my collection one being the sbbn015 .
And let's face it, with a lot of watches, value is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm sure for many these are fantastic pieces, but the alignment issues are another thing entirely! You're completely right. The sooner the better. I have heard on other TH-cam vids that they are at least aware of it. Here's hoping that augers well for future releases!
Four years ago you could buy a Tuna for $995 w/bracelet. Today, it will cost $1,500. Only difference is sapphire crystal; it still uses the same quartz movement. Seiko, WTF?
Four years ago you could buy a Rolex Hulk at a Rolex boutique at retail price. Now they are over double retail at 20k plus. It still uses the same everything. Wtf, Rolex ??
If you want to go round to Seiko's house and beat the crap out him I I'll be your alibi mate. A truly shocking price for a shocking watch. Nice to hear some sense being spoken for a change.
I was very disappointed, when I got mine. It rattled inside (a quartz watch shouldn't do that) and the crown was so off center, it was right next to the edge of the shroud, almost touching it. And the bezel action is way too smooth, way too easy to turn, almost no resistance. It makes the watch feel delicate and fragile, not tough. Funny thing is, when I told the seller about the rattling noise, they tried to convince me that it was all right, and if it bothered me, I should take it ti Seiko. Needless to say, the watch went back. I made a video abou it: th-cam.com/video/0y84GK0-NJA/w-d-xo.html
Just watched it! Yeah, looks like you had the same issue that occurred with this one. Maybe that’s a deliberate choice from Seiko? Not sure, but you’re right - completely like a toy! 🤷🏼♂️It’s a shame as the lume is awesome, too, like you say.
i think all of these qc issues are more of an anectdotal thing rather than a factual annoyance, only pointed out by entitled consummers. I dont give a damn about bezel misalignment. The watch is awesome, handsome and serves its purposes magnificently well.
Yeah, see, I disagree. I’m not talking about bezel misalignment. In fact, I’m categorically not talking about it in this video. I’m pointing out that the bezel action is virtually nonexistent on a dive watch, so it doesn’t serve its purpose well. And as consumers, we’re entitled to feel whatever we like about something we’ve paid our hard-earned money for. If you like the watch regardless of those faults, that’s fine, and I’d defend your right to feel that way. But to excuse a company for selling sub-par products to consumers seems sycophantic.
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Putting this response I made to someone here for anyone who might think I've been insanely ignorant:
I'll be the first to admit I'm a layman, but I've watched the review back so as to be able to respond to some other comments, and I don't talk about the movement all that much. Granted, that might be doing it a disservice, but it seems my main hang-up (I haven't handled the watch since I made this video well over a year ago) was the QC and the price. I think I read about the Tuna history here (have done a quick Google to see my admittedly not academic-level research):
thespringbar.com/blogs/guides/the-seiko-tuna-collectors-guide/
I've not changed my mind that the price seems steep. There are other models, albeit now discontinued, with the same movement that retail for much less (SBBN035 and SBBN031, for example). The latter has the same movement but comes on a bracelet and retails for less, but has a Hardlex crystal, making me think Seiko is charging about £300 for a sapphire crystal (another user also pointed this out). I understand this movement is well built for compression diving, as others have noted, and that it can handle pressures whilst remaining accurate, has magnetic resistance, etc, etc. but a watch is a whole package. If it was purely based on movements alone, there would be no reason to buy a Zelos with an NH35 over a Pagani Design equipped with the same.
All the "what, quartz!?"-comments are laughable. Clearly shows the level of ignorance in the watch community.
Probably the most unqualified review of this watch by anyone to date. If you don't understand the value of a watch with such a unique quartz movement and heritage, you're simply ignorant.
Sorry, this comment totally fell under my radar, apologies. I'll be the first to admit I'm a layman, but I've watched the review back so as to be able to respond to some other comments, and I don't talk about the movement all that much. Granted, that might be doing it a disservice, but it seems my main hang-up (I haven't handled the watch since I made this video well over a year ago) was the QC and the price. I think I read about the Tuna history here (have done a quick Google to see my admittedly not academic-level research):
thespringbar.com/blogs/guides/the-seiko-tuna-collectors-guide/
I've not changed my mind that the price seems steep. There are other models, albeit now discontinued, with the same movement that retail for much less (SBBN035 and SBBN031, for example). The latter has the same movement but comes on a bracelet and retails for less, but has a Hardlex crystal, making me think Seiko is charging about £300 for a sapphire crystal (another user also pointed this out). I understand this movement is well built for compression diving, as others have noted, and that it can handle pressures whilst remaining accurate, has magnetic resistance, etc, etc. but a watch is a whole package. If it was purely based on movements alone, there would be no reason to buy a Zelos with an NH35 over a Pagani Design equipped with the same.
Sorry bud, I have to say you didn't do your homework on this one. The 7c46 movement is one of the most revered quartz movements out there. It's also a saturation diver, domed sapphire crystall and the lume never quits. I was also surprised by the price however this watch is in a league on its own. Love your channel but please do some homework before slagging off on a fine watch. This is not a $300 plastic Solar tuna.
True ,and the seiko quart is top in the world,Author have to check the history of "quartz crisis"
I get that while the 7C46 is an incredibly robust and revered quartz movement, my major gripe from what I can remember was the build quality of the piece for the price. The bezel action, for example, made it unusable as a diver. And while the movement is built for extreme depths and to be used for a lifetime, that bezel absolutely wasn't, which I couldn't accept at the price, especially given this is one of those rare instances of a dive watch that might be used for diving! I should also say I love Seiko's designs and know they do incredible things with their calibres, but if they put them in poorly executed cases (as I believe they have done in this one case), then I won't just let their history mean they get away with it. I'm sure many other people have this same watch and it doesn't have any issues with the bezel, which only goes to show their QC isn't consistent and buying one can feel like a lottery. I think a lot of people just assumed I hate Seiko because of this, haha, but I actually did another video on a different model which I loved. I appreciate your feedback, though, and I agree that Seiko lume is on another level. Also, I want to look at some of their awesome Presage dress watches, as some of the dials at that price point are insane!
@@LumePip you spent most of the review mocking the fact it was a quartz for 1300 quid, and what other things you could get with that cash..without knowing anything about it. It is like your mate loaned you the watch for you to make a massive fool out of yourself with, guving you enough rope to hang yourself.
No it isn't a $300 'plastic' Solar tuna. The latter, for all practical purposes, is a far better watch. The solar has a movement that will never need a battery change; its lume is easily comparable and its movement of excellent quality that will last just as long at the 7c46. True, it is a 200 metre as opposed to a 300 metre dive watch. Yet has that really mattered to anyone? Just consider that the Tudor Pelagos XD, designed for French naval divers, has a rating for 200. Good enough for them, good enough for me. Hardex as opposed to Sapphire, sure. A diving watch with a sapphire crystal (sorry Rolex!) is not a good idea. They will shatter on impact. Hardex, in contrast, will just bear punishment. Moreover, the protective outer casing being 'plastic' is a positive benefit. It means that the watch is light (an underrated consideration in watches), and will not be a 'scratch magnet.'
Best of all, the price of the Solar Tuna is respectable and does not take the customer for a ride.
This video just popped up in my suggestions and when I realised I had actually laughed out loud several times during a watch review I realised this was something special!
I liked what I saw so much I’ve just watched all your videos. Other than suffering from extreme dehydration due to all that dry humour I am a big fan of what you’re doing.
I’ve liked, I’ve subscribed and I even rang the bell. Keep up the great work 👍
Absolutely lovely comment - I’m thinking of getting it framed and stuck on my mantelpiece! 🙌 Thanks so much, mate
The old tuna sbbn031 without sapphire was around 1100$ and nobody complained about the price. This new tuna with sapphire costs 1400$. So 300$ price increase for this upgrade is not that much. For comparison Sinn charges 500€ for sapphire.
That's utterly ridiculous no matter who is charging that for a $30 crystal, and not everyone does that. $300 is an insult.
I’m still gonna get one. People complaining about the price but still wanting a Rolex. 20k for a Sub on the secondary market? You gotta be kidding.
Fair enough, Terry. I agree on the whole 20k Rolex thing. Those that might appreciate them more for what they are and what they do, as tool watches (although I wouldn't be wearing a Sub for putting a shelf up!), will only be willing to pay retail and end up on the dreaded, seemingly eternal, waiting list of doom.
Love my SBBN 033. The new one is too much of a price hike to digest though it still looks and feels sweet. Tunas rock!
Never a good feeling to watch something go down in quality that you used to love and count on to be better. Great video!
Not only is Seiko older than Rolex, but an important, perhaps the MOST important part of Seiko's heritage is its development of dive watches. Not only are the real Tunas iconic, but the movement in this watch is the same as used in the original Tuna that gave the line its nickname, and is still relevant today, being specially built to handle great depths. The idea that you're supposed to be a watch enthusiast, yet, are so ignorant as to equate this with cheap modern quartz movements as found in, say, Casios and Citizens, is laughable.
I think I didn’t appreciate the movement’s heritage but also thought the watch was steep as an overall package. My complaints were mainly regarding the strap (which really could do with a second keeper) and the bezel, which has no resistance and a lot of play in it for a watch at that price. Plus I don’t think at any point I equated it with Casio and Citizens, did I?? 🤔if I did, I shouldn’t have, but watching it back, I don’t think I mention them at all. I mention buying an Oris/CW/actual tins of tuna instead, which I still would over this. I remember it not feeling like the £300 price hike they’d given it over the non-sapphire model was justified, which other commenters had mentioned. Also, I do say, if you like this and other Seiko models around this price, “more power to you.” I’ve done a video on a Seiko I liked, too, and would do more if I could afford to keep buying them in.
Couldn't be happier with mine. In fact I wear it so much and is so comfy that its stopped me from buying the steel bracelet AND a dressier Grand Seiko. Honestly cannot stop looking at it. Managed to get £190 off too. But it is expensive for a Seiko quartz - even super quartz.
Long live the TUNA DIVER'S 200M 300M, 600M and the 1000M. Bro, TUNA is the type of watch you have to hate to appreciate it. TUNA is not for everyone. Matter of fact, I get millions of compliments on my SEIKO 5 SNKL23 than any of my TUNA.
Additionally, while I demonstrably disagree with your opinions I am gracious enough to respect your review and I thank you for your constructive criticism.
I will add however, your objective criticism and dislike is equally shared across all SEIKOS of the modern Era. SEIKOS QC has declined yet the prices have gone up. That I agree.
God Bless.
Greetings from USA 🇺🇸
I have worn my Prospex “Baby Tuna Automatic “ while building houses and remodeling houses for the past 3 years, every day practically, excluding the weekends. I am ABSOLUTELY AMAZED how brutally tough and robust the automatic movement in Seiko Prospex watches are. Unbelievable.
This may be my inner fan boy but the 7c46 quarts movement part of the draw of the tunas, you can only get them in tunas. they are super tough with 7 jewels and fully serviceable. although the stated accuracy is ± 15sec a month they frequently get less than 3 sec a month. There are also 10 years marked out of the back of the watch to show you when your next battery change is due so seiko expects it to last that long right out of the gate. The second had will almost always be aligned, the 7c46 is well-known for good second hand alignment. , but they aren't for everyone and i understand that, the same way a Rolex to me makes no sense to me at all. they are exy and generic looking, their lume is the best thing about them.
That’s really interesting! I didn’t know this movement had such prowess. And it’s cool that it’s only found in Tuna models, but I stand by what I say in the video about it being overpriced. The bezel action did it for me! Also, absolutely fair to be a fanboy sometimes, mate! There are some brands that do that to us! Thanks for the wicked comment 👍👍
@@LumePip i cant disagree with you there. they are not cheap and the bezel action on that one did look like a lemon, that really isnt acceptable at all for the price. my tunas bezel has an amazing action, feel and sound as they should. in my case i bought the watch for life so its high inital cost seems irrelevant to me but thats not for everyone. Thanks for the detailed reply, its much appreciated 👍
"Or you could buy 1083 tins of ACTUAL tuna!" 🤣🤣 Love it! Great video pal. Subscribed! 😁👊
Thanks, mate! Much appreciated and glad you enjoyed it :D
I'm totally happy with mine. Have it on now actually. I don't have any QC issues. Bezel it tight as a fishs' arse and everything lines up great. I see value in it and I'll be looking to picking up one or two more in the darth variety.
Just how tight is a fish's behind?
Just this unique watch with unique features is worth more than whole collection of other brands like Casio.
An honest review for THAT particular watch and I agree with what you say about the possible QC . The problem is that with anything that is on a large production scale , be it cars , bikes , home electricals etc , you're going to get good and bad regardless of the price , and that's unfortunate but it's a real world problem. I'm a big fan of Seiko and have a couple of their models which are fantastic , one being the king turtle manta ray , what I do like about the tuna is that it looks a beautiful designed watch , Seiko's seem to have aesthetics designed very well but then again I like Japanese watches so maybe I'm biased ?
Strap a bottle to ur back and go 15-20 foot under water and the the bezel is perfect it’s made for divers not desk divers
Happy with mine,would not dive with another fashion type.History says a lot on this model.
They say Arnie wears one. I wonder if (when wearing or trying on another maker's watch) he says: " It's not a tuna! "
The bezel feels this way becuase it has a special mechanism that makes is a lot harder to rotate when submerged in water, and its not a QC issue
It used to be only serious divers would buy proper (saturation) divers watches (Seiko, Rolex, Doxa, Omega, etc.) and they would use them as an actual dive instrument. They probably didn't care too much if the chapter ring alignment is off by 1/2 minute, or so, etc. Back then, the average person wouldn't normally want to wear these oversized watches (as proper divers watches typically would be) in his day to day life to start with. Nowadays, however, we've got the average "office drone" Joe wanting the same dive instrument on his wrist to make him look cool while he is in the office (or a shopping mall) and is concerned about these trivial little details that don't really impair the functionality as a dive instrument.
Subscription has been made 👍 You are hilarious 🤣
Thanks so much, mate! I really appreciate that
Lol why the rant.... if its too expensive then dont buy. Seiko keeps good price not like other XY brands.
Really enjoyed that, thanks mate.
Thank you, buddy! Glad you liked it 🙌
Nice use of humor. Well done and thank you.
:)
Agree that the samurai and turtle is the way to go. I have the orange samurai and the black king turtle. I have also have a 009, 007 snd SNA411
Agreed! I’m honestly thinking of picking up another Manta Ray Samurai, I really miss it. And that’s a nice collection of very cool Seikos, mate. And I do think they offer good value at that price!
Strange take on a legend dive watch. When I look at the totality of reviews on these models, yours stands out as the only negative one. There may be some qc issues there - get them fixed and enjoy a monster of a watch. I just picked one up and it's perfect. Not to attack you or your channel - I am very entertained on the whole and look forward to future content. For me, this review was a complete swing and miss though.
I appreciate your feedback, mate 👍
It does stop those loyal to the brand. I was the biggest Seiko fan. Now I just buy Citizen.
Mine is good. -4 seconds in six months and a positive bezel action. I paid less than £900 new in 2021which is stupidly expensive but I’m not disappointed. I can read the time (old dude) and it’s accurate, it won’t break or leak and won’t stop for years.
I wish all Seiko bezels were easier to grip. The Monster is not bad but the Turtle (hardlex crystal one), seiko5 and Arnie are all slippery when wet.
Did your mate loan you this watch, just to see you make a massive fool out of yourself with it?
That watch is a proper tool watch, used for saturation diving, Japanese saturation divers tried the automatic movements in them and they didn't work, hence going to Qaurtz.
It is one of the most robust movements on the planet.
That watch is an icon.
What all dive watches should be.
He did, yeah. I think his words were, “Hey, go make a massive fool out of yourself with this.” I think - not 100% sure as I don’t like watching my own videos back like a psycho - I also mentioned the strap not having a second keeper and the bezel action being absolutely rubbish, but I suppose all the saturation divers you knock about with in Japan mentioned those things being really beneficial too, right?
The back play in the bezel is intentional as this allows you to clean the silt and salt out after diving . A classic working dive watch the original “ Grandfather Tuna “ had 20 patents . Awesome backup watch ;)
That’s really interesting, I didn’t know that at all. Thanks for that! I think from the example I spent time with, it’s a very overpriced watch which shouldn’t have left the factory. Honestly, the bezel action was nonexistent! 👀
@@LumePip Great review . Seems that the “ within tolerances “ QC may be stretching it a bit with the watch you had ;)
Haha, agreed! Thanks, mate!
Who's being screwed paying a small fortune to watch brand name or a descent watch brand that pays its customer affordability and dependability i'll go SEIKO EASY
Thank god he said the bezel hits as I'm buying one this week and that was my biggest concern
I think Citizen makes better Quartz dive watches and at less than half the price of that wearable disappointment. Your Tuna metaphor made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
Haha, I’m glad you liked it! And I’m yet to buy a Citizen, but the titanium field watches look killer 🤔
I have one of those too if you're interested, no hard feelings about the beat down on my Tuna 🤣 Seiko has been getting a roasting lately, no wonder I can't sell the thing. Seems the price hikes and total lack of QC are finally turning off buyers.
You’re a gentleman! I mean, I blame Seiko, no-one else. 🤣 All their QC’ers are over at Grand Seiko, it seems…
Talking about the metal keeper on the rubber strap. I have a seiko save the ocean turtle and it has a metal keeper supplied with it. it tends to let the strap fall out of it and I have to push it back into position. A much better option would be to use a rubber keeper as this would hug the strap more tightly and prevent undue movement.
Oris specially the new one the 5 days movement is a joke hacking is a problem I would stick with the tuna any day
..BuT iT’s IcOnIc..
I got one of these in black second hand basically new for £240. I agree that you’d be mad to pay over a grand for one of these. But to disagree, the movement of the bezel is perfectly fine. I can’t speak for the state of your 1.3k watch, but mine is firm and smooth and I have nothing to complain about, so it might be something that varies between each timepiece (like you said their quality control could be slacking)
Ive long struggled with the way seiko prices have been heading north & with the QC issues that seem to have become a feature of the brand (& I'm a Seiko fan boy!) This can of tuna at £1300 is a bit of an insult. Come on Seiko sort it out!!
Another great review and again lots of brilliant jokes! 👍😂👏
As for the watch: I totally agree you do expect better quality at that price! This fish is definitely off! 😉
Thanks, mate! Always appreciated. Haha, yep, not the sort of thing you want to have to deal with for £1300. I think I've ran out of fish puns at this point, just when they're really starting to catch on.
As far as quality control when assembling the watches ,Citizen does it much better.
I agree, seiko need to sort themselves out.. I moved to brands to Casio and there quality control is better than the majority of the big Swiss brands. Especially Oceanus!
I've heard great things about the Oceanus, and watching JOMW's video on his made me look into their price on the second-hand market. Maybe one day. Perfect everyday pieces, though!
What do you feel about the bottle cap ? I think it's got the same weird, unforgettable stile
It’s definitely unforgettable! I think I because of the thinner bezel, the dial looks even bigger. For bigger wrists, nice choice, though, and can be had for a decent price too 🙌
Leaning towards a Land Tortoise of a mini-Turtle personally. Each about a half-o-G or so. Thanks for dissuading my from this thirteen hundred dollar lark.
That looks like a really cool piece! And a bit different with the compass bearings as opposed to it being a dive bezel. Cool colours as well!
Inflation is happening to seiko watches
1300£ for a quartz 300meter diver is insane... I recently bought a Zelos Hammerhead V3 for only 260£. Its nh35 powered (zelos regulated to almost cosc spec) , 300meter diver with amazing build quality.
I think some have mentioned it's a high-end quartz movement and it's got a 5-year battery life, but even so, I agree! Their prices have been going up in the last few years, and I just don't see the value in their models above £500.
@@LumePip well that's kinda decent but still , wouldnt pay over 500 either... I don't tend to build the same relationship with a quartz model as with mechanical watches.
Ditto, mate! My thoughts exactly
@@LumePip all I gotta say is you're Blinded by the Swiss just like the wonderful BMWs with the plastic engines that keep leaking
@@greenerick I'm literally about to buy a Seiko for over 500 quid. I'll have to check it's one of their Swiss, leaky models that they're sending...
Just buy it used. It's a great watch. I just bought one for $650 and it's only 2 years old.
I think that's the best way to go with this, too! 👍
I think that's the best way to go with this, too! 👍
Wow this guy got ripped on his review
I bought an Alpina Seastrong Quartz a few months ago for a really good sale price (half MSRP) as I couldn't afford this, my dream watch. I have to say I'm supremely impressed with it so far, and the pictures online do not do it justice in person (the PVD isn't matte, it's as shiny as polished SS). (no affiliation with Alpina). Hadn't even heard of the watch brand in my multi year quest for the do it all dream watch that met my specs. It was an easy choice. This would have to be cheaper for me to justify it. Worth a look for anyone looking for a 44 mm, 300 m, sapphire diver, quartz, with 22 mm band, and a lug to lug of just under 50 mm. Second to this for me was the 44 mm Longines Hydroconquest quartz but the lug to lug of 55+ mm was a show stopper.
All watches are overpriced, I don't know why people are still buying watches. It's 2021, we don't need watches anymore.
You love it or you hate it. I love it.
Just out of curiosity, what is your take on The Timepiece Gentleman saga? Make a video on that and your membership will quadruple 👍🙏
Good question! I’ve only seen what’s on TH-cam and on the Scottish Watches podcast, but seems like a pretty big balls up from them. Though I’m not an expert on it by any stretch. Do you know any more about it than me? It wouldn’t take much! But what’s your take on it?
I really like the channel and the boys, they are very entertaining and I have watched them from the beginning, but I think when their videos start getting well over an hour long people started to drop off, so this little stunt has brought many back to see what is going to happen next.
I think they are very clever, but have upset a few people along the way, it’s their channel and their business, so they can try whatever they like 👍
Yeah, I was a bit late to the party on the whole thing to be honest. I heard they were making longer videos, and I don’t mind that usually, but I suppose this was part of a wider thing. It’s been good in general for the whole watch community, though - people who mightn’t have normally been bothered have been drawn in by the drama 😂not much of that here unfortunately ha
I just bought one myself , why becuase I have the $$$ ....
Wow - that price point is crrazy - def not enough quality etc to justify it.
Hilarious review! Loved it.
I agree with you, mate! And thanks so much for that - I hope you continue to do so 🤞😅
Agree, Seiko sweet spot is around £500...had an alpinist, beautiful but inaccurate and a new 6r35 Sumo, a really stunning watch in person but the movement was useless (+ or - minutes per day, & not consistent)... Whereas my Turtle was a great watch which easily out performed it's pricier siblings!!!
The Tuna is an icon, but quartz isn't my thing...too expensive? Almost certainly, but we pay for what we value and that's up to the owners to decide, I've got many thing that others wouldn't want at any price but I'm OK with that as long as it makes me happy.
Cheers Mate 👍🏻👍🏻
I couldn’t have put it better myself!
My Sea Urchin ran like a tank - bumpy, unorthodox and borderline unusable. I loved it though, and the price was right. If people love the quartz, more power to ‘em, but the bezel on this actually angered me! Not up to snuff for the money. 😕
Another hit seiko with a big stick video 😂
Quality is piss poor on a good day if you want quality seiko you need to spend big on GS.
Another great vid mate keep up the good work.
Haha, it seems to be the done thing at the moment! I’d love to try a GS, too, mate. And now they’ve ditched the power reserve indicator on some of their dials, I think they’re even more appealing. 🤟 And thanks for the support mate, really appreciate it!
@@LumePip I’m tempted by a GS but think i would go spring drive .
Best of both worlds .
Good thing is if Mrs O asks if that’s another watch can shrug her off with it’s just a Seiko 😂
That’s a very good workaround! The spring dive with the power reserve at the back. At about 6 grand, a tad rich for my tastes, but I’d love to have a look in person and see what all the fuss is about…
Not going to jump on the Seiko hate wagon as I love the brand and how well it serves All market segments. Besides it’s become “in” to hate on Seiko...Breitling...Tag...to name a few. If you want to play with the cool kids then echo back Rolex, Tudor, Omega...and Oris. Just shying away from the higher priced Seiko models as there are other more refined options. For example many of the lower to mid range Swatch group brands.
I think if there’s a hate wagon, then I think there’s an issue. I didn’t get this watch in my hands and think, “I like this watch, but there are some other people who don’t like the brand at the moment so I’ll feign hate for the sake of views” - I hardly have any sway or following on here, I do this off my own back and not because I want to ensure I’m conforming with the opinions of others. If people like Seiko and want to see their profits soar at the expense of quality, then I suggest they join their board of directors. I’m not going to deny there are models from more favoured brands that mightn’t deserve it, but I can only review what’s put in front of me. I’ve paid the money a Tuna costs for an Oris and, yes, much to many people’s dismay, it seems, it’s far superior. If people disagree, that’s cool, and I’m happy to hear others’ experiences. Like I say in the video, I think Seiko CAN offer great models a bit further down the pricing pyramid. And hey, there’s Grand Seiko for the high-end lux space too. I’d love to try one of those one day! ❄️
Yes, thank you for the suggestion. I willl join the Seiko Board of Directors.
Haha love it! Well, I’m getting loaned a couple more budget Seikos soon so hopefully these issues won’t be present 🙌🤞
The rectangular marker at 3 make no sence at all. No "Marinemaster" on dial is a shame.
Paying that much for a seiko is totally bonkers specially as it’s a quartz…… i’ll stick with my turtle Pepsi. Keep up the good work…👍
And that’s a really cool piece! Honestly, it’s disappointing because pieces like your Turtle are such great watches and you would hope that’s replicated in the higher priced ones, but alas, it’s not to be, it seems! 🙌 Thanks mate
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This is ridiculous. 1300 pounds for a frigging quartz? What? With that second hand accuracy of a Star Wars' Storm Trooper? WTAF? I said "I'm done with Seiko" years ago and I stand by it even more so. Great footage and commentary ☺️👍
It's not your run of the mill quartz. That's like saying all petrol engines are the same. Agreed the accuracy of the seconds hand is very subpar, I'm sure hoping my copy won't be as bad.
Wait until you find out what the big Tunas cost.
How much do Omega etc charge for their quartz movements?
Misery goats
This isn't the only Seiko in this price territory, with quality issues. It's really sad because up to now I've thought of them as the benchmark for Japanese quality. Stay safe Mr Pip:-)
Agreed! And some of their better value models, although can suffer those same quality issues, can still provide some value. You too, bud!
Irony in Japanese is "Irony" with a Japanese accent. No kidding!
Lol at the seiko stans in the comments 😅😅
that second hits poorly the marks and the chapter ring is misaligned
Presently I see misaligned Seiko 5KXs on sale in the shops for 200€ or more... I think Seiko is dead...
MAN!!! It isnt even hitting those markers
I know… Just not acceptable at that price 😩
This is highway robbery
Ewww, 1300 for quartz. I'll stick with my homage if this thing. I'm disappointed in seeing the original.
Seiko have great designs, but the QC and sometimes even the materials leave a lot to be desired... Especially when there are homages out there doing it better for far less.
Could buy the Solar Tuna instead. SNE 498 , 499. Both are under $300 with 200m WR and ISO rated. And for 300 you can overlook any alignment issues.
Funnily enough, I've got a solar-powered Tune in for review, so watch this space!
Solar tuna. Sure you have to replace the awful shroud and bracelet, but then you end up with something less than half the price that most people won't be able to differentiate between. Stated accuracy is the same and the battery won't die on you. Sure you lose 100 m WR but I suspect that many Seiko buyers don't actually dive... Great video thanks
3:17 the bezel doesn't line up. £1300? F that!
Yeah, incredible. I almost did a double take when I first tried spinning the bezel. 🤷🏼♂️
Because it's spun past the 60-mark? It's not a fixed bezel.
Some rattling really??
Would take the Formex over this for sure, and I love Seiko!!
Ditto! Luckily I’ve had a couple of other Seiko’s that might’ve won me back round ha. Hopefully the vid can go up tonight. Not sure I’d drop the money Seiko want on them when there are brands like Formex out there though! 🧐
There's definitely something off with the chapter ring, Seiko needs to sort it out its getting bad now, do love Seiko I have couple in my collection one being the sbbn015 .
And let's face it, with a lot of watches, value is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm sure for many these are fantastic pieces, but the alignment issues are another thing entirely! You're completely right. The sooner the better. I have heard on other TH-cam vids that they are at least aware of it. Here's hoping that augers well for future releases!
Four years ago you could buy a Tuna for $995 w/bracelet. Today, it will cost $1,500. Only difference is sapphire crystal; it still uses the same quartz movement. Seiko, WTF?
或許重點是細節而不是機芯
Four years ago you could buy a Rolex Hulk at a Rolex boutique at retail price. Now they are over double retail at 20k plus. It still uses the same everything. Wtf, Rolex ??
That's why i own a homage Tuna from Steeldive , for under 100$ it's a spec monster .
If you want to go round to Seiko's house and beat the crap out him I I'll be your alibi mate. A truly shocking price for a shocking watch. Nice to hear some sense being spoken for a change.
I was very disappointed, when I got mine. It rattled inside (a quartz watch shouldn't do that) and the crown was so off center, it was right next to the edge of the shroud, almost touching it. And the bezel action is way too smooth, way too easy to turn, almost no resistance. It makes the watch feel delicate and fragile, not tough. Funny thing is, when I told the seller about the rattling noise, they tried to convince me that it was all right, and if it bothered me, I should take it ti Seiko. Needless to say, the watch went back. I made a video abou it: th-cam.com/video/0y84GK0-NJA/w-d-xo.html
Just watched it! Yeah, looks like you had the same issue that occurred with this one. Maybe that’s a deliberate choice from Seiko? Not sure, but you’re right - completely like a toy! 🤷🏼♂️It’s a shame as the lume is awesome, too, like you say.
@@LumePip rattling too?
@@shungarch4937 yes, it does
Seiko USED to be avlue and affordable!
I would never pay that much for a quartz, even if it has that special movement that the Tunas have.
Yeah, mate, I agree. I’d love a Grand Seiko but it’s those Spring Drives that do it for me, and then we’re talking serious money!
@@LumePip I agree! I owned a Spring Drive GS that I sold and now miss it….
i think all of these qc issues are more of an anectdotal thing rather than a factual annoyance, only pointed out by entitled consummers. I dont give a damn about bezel misalignment. The watch is awesome, handsome and serves its purposes magnificently well.
Yeah, see, I disagree. I’m not talking about bezel misalignment. In fact, I’m categorically not talking about it in this video. I’m pointing out that the bezel action is virtually nonexistent on a dive watch, so it doesn’t serve its purpose well. And as consumers, we’re entitled to feel whatever we like about something we’ve paid our hard-earned money for. If you like the watch regardless of those faults, that’s fine, and I’d defend your right to feel that way. But to excuse a company for selling sub-par products to consumers seems sycophantic.
Lovely looking watch ! Looks just like my high spec Steeldive 😁😁