Orbital Rings Are The Powerhouse Of The System
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Orbitals Rings are a new feature from Stellaris Overlord. They provide a wide range of new options for our planets. From defensive mega-fortifications all the way to massive economic benefits. In this video we will uncover what can be done with this cool new megastructure.
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Orbital ring +4 districts
Expand Sea +3 districts
Mastery of Nature +2 districts
Expansion Tradition tree +1 district
From a size 9 waste to a size 19 megachad.
Don't forget that Expansion tradition for yet another extra district!
@@NoxietyPrime
Good call, edited to reflect true chad status.
A shame mastery of nature doesnt give 3 anymore
Still have available districts layout of 9 though
39 size ecumonopolis
This combined with Planetary Designations, Planetary Ascension level 10 and Planetary Specialization (that's a lot of Planetary) and the Ecumonopolis makes this completely ridiculous.
"How many resources would you like?"
"Yes"
Looks too strong to me to be honest.
@@anyname4306 Ecu-planets are only useful to huge empires, with huge mineral, food, and energy surpluses. If you're not running massive surpluses in the basic resources, a, Ecu-planet can quickly become a crippling resource sink.
@@AaronCMounts I am not sure I agree. Nowadays you can produce tons of basic resources on a couple of good planets. There are so many modifiers and buffs that you don't need a huge empire.
And the resources that are used by the ecu would otherwise be used up by a bunch of planets that wouldn't do anything else that what the ecu does, just worse.
Now all we need is for stations to remember their Defense Platform loadouts and have a reinforce button for them to cut down on the hassle. Would also love to have some larger versions too, but the former is more important.
Stations do have an upgrade button for their defense platforms. There's even a notification icon when they can be upgraded in the outliner.
@@alistairgrey5089 he means reinforced
@@alistairgrey5089 upgrade isnt rebuild/reinforce
There's a mod that gives platforms the same ability as the station: making then inactive rather than destroying them.
You know what I miss, I miss being able to build Defense Platforms anywhere.
Straight up. In my last game I took a size 25 planet and went ecu with it. Built the orbital ring. By end of game, it was 3710 alloy output.
Honestly, how do you even use it all up? By the time I hit 1k a month I can't use it enough
@@randomstuff1019 I was Void Dweller origin and had multiple fortress habitats so my naval capacity even after the galactic reforms and high contribution in federation, was still over 2400 which supported 13 titans with battleships.
"If you love a planet you need to put a ring on it" - Isaac Arthur
Now to be honest. I’ve sunk a hundred hours into overlord and I can agree, that a few ion cannons (depending on the system) work wonders.
Maybe even a little imba on 5 planet systems. I’ve dedicated a five planet system to a few strike craft and otherwise just ion cannons for fun…
Twas a run for testing, so crisis was at x10 on GA without scaling, but the unbidden just plinked off of that system.
The barrage of Ion cannons in conjunction with a corvette swarms and destroyers to just stall, let the Ion System just rip em apart.
Corvettes are cheap and destroyers always come back it feels.
Really gimmicky, but I love that at long last, the investment for DPs finally seems kinda worth it.
Huh. Orbital Rings seems to be a throwback to early Stellaris when you could build multiple starbases in a system. Neato!
I think its about time that Stations and Defence platforms fall under Fleet Power when comparing the strength of empires. It would make it much more fun to be able to tell how powerful your enemies stations are at a glance, and to be able to deter other empires by building massive defensive bastions rather than solely relying on fleets.
All this is neat and all but we need a "rebuild all defenses" button on citadels/orbital rings and on the fleet manager.
I'd rather spam ion canons and park a fleet than break my mouse again after every skirmish. . .
I am just getting into Stellaris and you have been very helpful in getting a handle on this game. My hive mind playthrough is so fun because of you. I look forward to watching all of your videos to come!
Players: "Hey, could you maybe overhaul the pretty boring ground battles?"
Paradox: "Say no more!" *makes it so that it's almost impossible to even reach the planet or give the planet such massive defense buffs it's hardly ever worth it*
Hey Monty, thanks again for a really awesome video, really well put together. Would love to see a further video on this (as suggested in your film). Watched your whole series of tacticals on this game and would love to see from the bottom up how you would design a defence station and defence platforms and why, as I think it is the one video missing from your basic strategy vidoes. Would really enjoy a video that explores defence platforms with as much depth as you did your ships. Thanks again and see you next time.
So I'm relatively new to Stellaris. Your videos have been a wellspring of helpful input! This information makes me pretty excited since I just want to be a trade empire with really big defenses but that's never been super optimal. Gonna have to rewatch some of your more recent videos to try to put together some sort of...Maybe subterranean trade empire. I'm not sure what would be the best approach but trial and error never hurts!
Thanks for the amazing video!
41 defensive platforms on a ring seems nutty. Cue Trappist becoming the greatest system in the galaxy.
One thing that is really good about defence platforms is that you can specialise them to the system. After all if shields don't apply in a system you can ignore them.
I just wish you could do that for the Starbase/orbital ring itself.
When you are taking defence is the best offence literally.
I love Orbital Rings. It makes the prospect of playing tall more feasible.
The One (orbital) Ring to Rule them All.
I agree with the full test on the defence platforms
Saw this a "bit" late but damn didn't know they were this good
Was hoping at the end it would have talked about the achievement, None Shall Pass. I got that one last night, but it was very finicky to get.
I also like how that balances the core systems. Now theres a huge difference between your maginot line and other sytsems. Breaking trough a major defence system requires strategic thinking. First you need to know which defence point you can attack that isnt supported by a huge fleet. Then a whole picket corvete fleet made around evasion and a few full hanger battleships with carrier computer should help getting your fleet into range. Can you test good attack approaches to win realisticly against chad cadia?
Been watching awhile, finally subbed, thanks for the vids.
These remind me a lot of the Orbital Arcologies from the Gigastructures mod, except the Orbital Ring has more customizability.
We used to have almost this exact same thing. They were called "starbases", and they were built over planets.
That defense.. glorious!!
i build a orbital ring on the relic world that you get Kleptomaniac rats dig site at, and then let out the shard, and the Orbi ring killed it :)
If the AI builds a Habitat over a planet and I conquer said planet, can I still build an Orbital Ring there or is it one or the other? Also a proper guide to defensive platforms vs Ion cannons would be a great idea for a video. I've never really seen a definitive take on the subject.
What was the alloy/resource match up like in the little test battle you showed there? A more detailed video would be excellent :)
Well this is so late game stuff where it doesnt even matter. The influence cost is just bonkers. Even with +9 influence per month there is simply not enough to spend on meh orbital rings. But yeah, if you got nothing to do or to spent influence on then go ahead. Maybe in MP when you are playing tall, but then the enemy will still waltz stright trought.
Ok. Need pre habitat, +1 civic and, +1 building slot TEC. Got it
What is cooperative research Channel on every ring worlds?
For subterranean species: you can't hide in the planet if there is no planet anymore....
Great content. Is this available on console too?
I wonder what the actual rework to defensive platforms were. I've continued to hear to platforms are absolutely useless from most people, but I just watched shit go down... One thing I want to know is if this se-up included Unyielding or not. With the way people still haven't shut up about how bad platforms are, I wonder if they redesigned with Unyielding in mind. Be nice to see a comparison vid.
Haven't played for a while. Did this come with an update or do I need to get the latest DLC? I have all the DLCs except for the last one.
i would like to see the economical results from these tests, as setting up these defences seem a lot more expensive than setting a fleet of the same military power
Same, although you can estimate. Battleships cost around 1200 alloys/ship, and lower classes get roughly fractals of that (cruisers around half that, destroyers quart, corvettes eighth). The fleets in this clip are somewhere around 25 battleships-worth in size, so the alloy count would be around 25x5x1200 = 150k alloys.
Setting up the defence platforms (I'm assuming the ion cannons still take up the space of eight platforms, and he has 5 of them) that'd make [41+41+57-(5x8)]x500 alloys + 5x1800 alloys = 49500+9000 = 59400 alloys, not including building the citadel and orbital rings. That would likely bump it up to 70-75k alloys. That's still only half of the fleet thrown at it.
Looking at the prices for the platforms in the video, as he lost around 60-ish defense platforms-worth of defences, that'd translate to 30k alloys of losses.
In order to win based on economic attrition, those defences would have to have taken out more than a fifth of said fleet, which seems based on what was seen here, to put it bluntly, rather likely.
Downside is that you can't move the defences though, so it ain't stopping people from just 'jumping around it'. And having to build this infrastructure on _every_ system would rapidly increase the costs in favour of the aggressor. But you might get away with a fraction of the fleet composition of the aggressor as supplement based on the Jump Drive Cooldown-effect, although I don't know how much you'd still need. However, it allows for less required navy capacity (less tech-, soldier- and anchorage-intensive) and possibly less upkeep costs, so tech, pops and alloys were saved that way as well.
Still speculation though, I don't know what traditions and ascension perks were taken by both parties.
Full test video for tall players please
Have you a like as soon as the creative intro started lol (I got a ring on it)
I do wish the orbital rings were more geared towards boosting the planet instead of being bonus starbases, they're still cool tho lol
"You shouldn't waste orbital ring slots on anchorages."
Yeah, about that... unless they're near an important chokepoint or border I've got anchorages on em.
It always seems so wasteful to upgrade an entire Starbase just for fleet cap, but orbital rings? Well, I already have to upgrade them to tier 2 to get the planet improving building, so that's 12 free fleet cap. Might as well get them to tier 3 when I can for an extra 12.
Would you say that defensive platforms are viable in singleplayer games now? I've never bothered in all my thousands of hours of play due to how quickly they've melted in the face of enemy fleets.
I used them before. They start to really struggle when they are overwhelmed since they can't retreat or when enemeys just outrange them. However, their strike craft are reconstructed by the starbase even after the platform is destroyed (if it's a hangar defense platform) so you don't lose firepower that way. Additionally, they are fairly cost efficient if they are not destroyed (or as mentioned don't really count as destroyed). Starbases are quite defense heavy, so increasing their damage output like that is pretty good synergy. They only get bad when the enemey starts to get battleships. And you used to be able to (not sure if you still can) change and upgrade the design of the platform in the middle of combat to repair the station entirely. By just adding or removing a single shield i was able to tank enemey fleets that i shouldn't reasonable have survived. (Yes that's bug abuse.)
honestly even just as a deterrent defence platforms work very well, makes AI fleets re-route and ignore well protected systems when they’re underpowered (and they often are since they split their fleets) so you can focus on other points with your own fleets
i am curious though, do the crisis have access to the Attack rings ?
i am a very defensive player with Void and condense my empire and now with subterranean i can finally make a race from 40K that i love the Squats but never have the crisis have penetrated my borders so like i asked do the crisis get buffed or no ?
but of course we want more testing!
To bad as far as I know you can't put them on habits, makes void dwellers sad.
Enemy's fleets:"Finally! The starbase and orbital rings were destroyed! To victory!
*two 20k necro bunker worlds* : _Round 2, xeno scum._
_sigh_
*Colossus enters system*
@@Vox_Popul1 The Planet Broke Before The Guard!
@@Grounders10 cadia moment
@@Grounders10 but the guard still broke, down with the corpse empire!
*resilient lithoid-reanimator subterraneans*
Defense platform video would be nice, currently I’m using the neutron launcher and advanced strike craft on each one but I’m not sure if I need that many fighters, I also typically only run 1 ion canon but it seems like each of your stations have several
Unless they fixed it, strike craft are the most reliable weapons for a DP since you don't lose the strike craft until the station dies. It lets you still do damage with the DP even after it dies (and it dies very easily). At least 1 ion cannon is good since it triggers a fight from farther away (makes it impossible to avoid since Ion cannons have more range than titans which is good because the crises will otherwise fly around and avoid it)).
@@SuperThest I would agree. I usually go full strikecraft, no ion. Also strikecraft don't have the range limitations so they can begin defense immediately. Also, as you stated, they keep going even if platform is downed.
I would love to know how to get more use out of them, I like the idea of building defences but so often until now it would just be a waste of good alloys.
@@jameshildebrand907 another benefit of strike craft is that they usually give you a higher fleet power score which can scare the AI off, so even if the station can't win, it makes the AI think it can. Strike craft will only deploy when the fight starts, which can be after the enemy shoots and kills some DP if you're not careful. Strike craft do have a limited engagement range though which is usually determined by the your longest range gun. Ion cannons will trigger your strike craft to deploy sooner.
I wouldn't build that many though since Ion cannons didn't get any buffs like the DP got, so they're an even more questionable investment then they were before.
@@SuperThest I'll correct you on one detail there, strike craft continue to spawn even after the battle begins, but only at half of the construction time quoted on their stat sheet (8 days I think). They will continue to snowball until the weapon that spawns them is destroyed, but stick around until the battle is over or the strike craft is destroyed.
honestly, it never made sense to me that ships could outrange starbases, nice that they're getting some love!
To be fair, starbases tend to be more or less immobile, and with no speed loss to friction, physical projectiles should be able to hit them (eventually) from just about anywhere.
@@kylewelch552 To counter that, they don't have to move the mass, so each gun could be more massive and they would have way more power to use as they don't need to use engines to move it all.
You can also go full Ion, if the ring station is further back. As the massive alpha really takes a lot of potentiale damage out of the fight fast.
Comes down to game balancing. You have to setup the game so the attacker always has the advantage, or the game simply becomes stagnant, as turtling becomes the default. Don't forget that both sides have fleets of their own, thus the defender has both fortresses and fleets to counter the attacker, who only has fleets.
@@AaronCMounts isnt this where mercenaries can come into play? you can contract lots of mercs, over- stack your fleet like crazy and attack with overwhelming force to decide the war in a single engagement for MP? or they can let you destroy their stronghold systems to buy time for their own merc and regular fleet recruitment making the big defensive systems as delay, rather then support artillery for the main battle.
now this wont work with SP since the AI loves to have lots of little fleets around everywhere, so i think is fine to give them better defenses.
As a biologist I love the way this title is phrased. That orbital ring better produce a crap ton of energy for the cell-I mean planet
Hive worlds with orbital rings can output the same energy credits as a dyson sphere :)
I hoped the reference wasn't too obscure!
@@Jernsaxe WOW thats really op
@@janaejoaodosacramento9731 You can also hit 5k alloys on a single (size 25)
Ecumonopolis as Rogue Servitor :)
@@Jernsaxe had a machine planet with maxed out labs and energy districs and it was +600 energy
I love how the game has changed over the years to make it easier to add more districts to planets. Getting small planets in the size 10-13 range always felt painful if you had nothing else to take because they couldn't do much, but now it is possible to get so much out of them. Going Aquatic and picking up Hydrocentric with this dlc means you can have up to 10 extra districts on your planets with the Expansion tradition and also getting the Mastery of Nature perk. Even a size 10 world suddenly becomes more than enough for your needs, and don't get me started on using this to make bulky Ecumenopolis worlds. Fun tip: if you have Hydrocentric, convert your worlds to Ocean worlds first to get that 3 extra planet size from Expanding Seas THEN make them into the Ecumenopolis for maximum output.
It's still painful.
I never even notice the planet size, when expanding. I just take the planet, and build it up over time. Because of the logistic pop growth modifier, I almost never max out planets, anyway.
@@AaronCMounts Yeah, these days planet size is a small factor in usefulness. Even the smallest possible size at 8 is still enough that if you just spam city districts you can get enough housing for researchers and use all the building slots. Before the pop and districts rework a planet was greatly limited by its size, especially even further back when the planets still used the tile system.
I would love a montu tutorial on how to optimize the new automation system
Noted!
The orbital ring brings the Tall Empire closer to being as powerful as the wide empire. I’m eager to know if fortifying a system with static defenses will finally be viable.
Nice profile picture
Or does it make it less powerful? Seeing as wide empires can use rings and there isnt a limit to how many. I would think more worlds, more rings, more power.
@@vdKingpin But fewer planets means less empire size, therefore cheaper/more edicts, faster tech and traditions.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 the cost doesn’t matter if you’re far outpacing it with your sheer amount of production across the board. If it does become a problem you can just release sector vassals which is probably even better than not having vassals now thanks to the specialist types.
The only real issue you could run into is pop growth slowdown, but you can fix that by having a dedicated sector that you release, let them grow pops, reintegrate and simply resettle to your core worlds, rinse and repeat.
The math says that wide is simply better in terms of performance. At the end of the day though, unless you’re playing high difficulties with AI enhancing mods or comp multiplayer, what’s best doesn’t matter all that much as long as you do enough to keep up.
Tall empire will always be a handicap then a strength until they make heavy demerits to owning too many systems
Hail to the Ring, that great arc across the sky upon which our entire industry reli- oh crap it's falling! Run! Run to the poles! Run for your lives!
lol
Normally, they keep themselves up their, so unless the Ring was broken at one point, that shouldn't happen.
they're on orbit. so they'll stay up there forever unless you use massive force to drop them.
@@babstra55 Most orbital ring designs are active support structures, using magnetics and large masses to sustain themselves at low altitude while keeping their rotation matched with the surface of the earth. They don't actually spin at orbital velocity, and can instead be treated as a suspension bridge with no ends.
This lack of orbital rotation also introduces an instability in the rings position around the planet. Uneven gravitational forces will tug the ring unevenly, eventually resulting in a dangerous wobble as one side shifts to be closer to the surface than the other. This can be managed in a number of ways, but the most useful and cost effective would be ground to ring tethers, effectively space elevators except much shorter, and that you can run at angles to most of the planet, rather than requiring the equator.
Of course, all this stops applying if you build a ring further out and spin it at orbital velocity, but even then spinning rings can have stability issues, requiring attitude control systems to maintain orientation.
@@aajjww121 sure that's possible, but more like atlas pillars than orbital rings.
a typical orbital ring has a rotator, a sort of cable trapped inside a vacuum tube. you spin that rotator at orbital speed or greater, and build your structures on top of the vacuum tube. the masses are suspended with maglev so that there's no actual contact. you keep your magnets superconductive so the system never stops unless you actually break it.
the advantages are you don't need atlas pillars, everything but the rotator is geostationary, and you can run it at any height even inside atmosphere or 1m above ground because the rotator is inside a vacuum tube.
you can even build it on surface, spin it up and lift it up to space. or land it for upgrades/maintenance, even use it for massive cargo hauls to other rigns above it.
Another question I have is more of a Pop Management one.
If I construct a Transit Hangar (the Kind that resettles pops without a) Player Input or b) cost) on an orbital ring, does it count for the entire System, or just the planet below?
If you build the transit hub on the ring it affects the whole system (and you won't be able to build it on the station. Just one per system).
So I assume the same is true for the secret installation? If so, one can just build both in the planetary rings around a planet, making the pops both loyal and easy to resettle.
Orbital rings act like secondary starbases when it comes to those kinds of modules. They always effect the entire system regardless of if they are on the station or the ring.
It counts for the whole system (all planets and habitats in it) and you can only build it once. So if a system only has one colonized planet, I would put the Transit Hub on its constructed ring saving me an outpost-to-starbase upgrade (unless the system has a specific role or feature to protect). If there are more than one colonized planets, I would put it on the central starbase so that all planets have the same amount of slots to work with in their separate rings. Double-dipping is possible with Black Hole Observatories and Nebula Refineries.
If you find a system with a lot of uninhabitable bodies, you can build habitats around some of those too, stretching the benefit further (can't stack a megastructure on a megastructure though, so no ringed habitats).
I have a citadel and orbital ring defensive system at a key choke point. The combined power of the stations is 160k! Nobody has tried invading that system lmao
So turtling wins.
@@AaronCMounts you could jump past it. Especially since they added juggernauts. Supply lines are less of an issue for refitting repairing and replacing lost ships. Even more if you could get a foothold and take a gateway or even build a gateway in said system. The ai wouldn't do it for sure. Imo I think they need a legit update for combat. Cruisers have very little use and destroyers can be hit or miss. Everyone uses battleships and corvettes. They have a decent road map from hoi4 they could utilize but I understand stellaris is so much more then a war game like hoi4 so it's not necessarily a priority.
@@hersh1138 plus I don't know if the dev teams of both games are the same, they could be different
@@lol9334 I'm sure they are different team but it's the same company so it's not like they would be stealing others work.
@@hersh1138 I always use Destroyers for PD but I’m not sure if PD only affects the ships that they are on or if they will try and cover the whole fleet. Cruisers are kind of useless as battleships are just better at almost everything. The only thing they are slightly useful for are missiles.
I was always hoping for more "kiloengineering" akin to gateways and habitats and Orbital Rings and Hyper Relays are exactly that.
One thing I'm hoping is that they make the megastructures more vulnerable. Like that if you take a system that has one you can deconstruct it.
Strong defenses require valuable targets to defend.
finally some midgame to endgame flavor
Gigastructural Engineering is therefor handsdown the best mod for stellaris, period. I never NEVER play without that.
Having the ability to turn EVERY planet into a livable one is just fucking bombastic.
@@Karl_der_Genosse overhyped mod
Why would WANT you deconstruct a a megastructure since you gain the benefits when you take the system it is in?
What I'm hearing is a subterranean inward perfectionist is never going to lose a system if they can get their choke points. On a related note, how do you win with a defensive build? I've played a few and other than just sitting in my corner and building up science and fleets until the crisis which I beat, only to lose because a fallen empire woke up and I didn't deal with it and now it owns half the galaxy.
The turtle strategy is usually to survive until the victory year if you have that enabled.
Defencive does not mean dont have a mega fleet ready to deal with endgame tho (or any other fleets). And you CAN attack as a defencive player when your fleet is ready. Then you defences will keep it safe while you deal punishment out. Sure it is abit more tricky, but it is diffinently possible.
For one you could ask an AI ally to attack someone and join them in the war. Sure the "ally" takes the territory you attack. But so what ? The fallen empire is gone.
I always had a go to turtle build I called the fanatic pacifiers. Play inwards perfection, and early and mid game I only ever focused on defense at chokepoints and science. Then sit back and play a city building Sim with my planets. Then when I get collosus unlocked I declare a change ideology war on everyone, (pacifist can't use the total war cb) then go around and shield every enemy planet in the galaxy until I am the only one left.
@@UltraSuperDuperFreak Ally as Inward perfectionnist? Meh, I do not babysit lesser beings
Become the Crisis to win perhaps?
I am testing a turtle build right now with the ring world. Just make the planet a Brick and deck out the ring.
I've been binge watching these videos to get better at this game. Great job with the videos, love the movie/show clips you slide into these videos.
Same here I wouldn't have known where to stop without aspec and stefon videos thanks Montu
I don't know, if I missed it, but the most important part (for me) is that the rings don't go on your starbase limit.
Also: Was it just a bug or can a habitat on a planet accidently block the building of an orbital ring?
The orbital rings get placed where a habitat would go, so you can’t have both you gotta pick if you want a habitat or a orbital ring
Another thing to note is that you can only build orbital rings on planets that have pops on them. You cannot just make them on any celestial body unlike habitats
i think it counts, isn't it?
The most I have reached, is 3.4k alloys on the Frist League homeworld, as a synthetically ascended mechanist build. You might be able to produce even more as a Rouge servitor and or ocean paradise.
When I first built my orbital ring, I the only thing on my mind was the economic potential that this could bring. I didn't think about the military potential since defense platforms and starbases were a joke. I did not know about this rework. This video has shown me an inkling of the potential this has. And to that, I thank you.
I like the double-dipping you can do with Black Hole Observatories and Nebula Refineries in systems that have several colonized planets. Defeat the Grey Tempest in the L-Cluster and Terminal Egress with its three terraformed nanoworlds lets you produce Dark Matter on three orbital rings and the central starbase. Likewise, find a nice multi-planet system (or several) in a nebula and produce minerals and exotic gases on each orbital ring in addition to the starbase.
That never made sense to me how those planets could be habitable when there isn’t a star to give them heat.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 If the black hole is active and large enough, it could pose as a "pseudo-sun" where light and heat radiates from its accretion disk. If you google "could a habitable planet orbit a black hole" you'll find several scientific articles dealing with this topic.
@@berlindude75 what about light? Wouldn’t it just be eternally dark?
@@luigimrlgaming9484 The dust and gases circling at very high speeds in the accretion disks of large black holes emit a lot of light (and other electromagnetic radiation such as infrared) from superheating friction. This emitted light of the accretion disk will be bent around the black hole resulting in the typical depiction of a black sphere enveloped in strands of light. It's also why very distant galaxies billions of lightyears away with active SMBH cores can still be seen as a single source of light (so-called super-luminous quasars).
@@berlindude75 Stellaris blackholes don’t, but that would make sense.
And yes the ring world equivalent to
“Don’t talk to me or my son again”
I’d love that defense platform video! Another one I’d be interested in is an examination of the various psionic ship components (psionic shields, precog interface, etc). I’ve been trying to figure out the precog ship computers for a bit now, since they trade some of the bonuses you get from something like sapient combat computers for extra tracking.
Honestly, been waiting on a video from you about defense platforms and building up a citadel the most efficient way possible. Looking forward to the full video with all the testing.
I my first overlord playthrough, I was so unlucky that I rolled orbital ring AFTER mega engineering.
I seriusly thought it was a required tech (it's a megastructure after all!)
Imagine my shock when in the next game I rolled it before I even had cruisers....
Definitely need the testing video for defense platform load outs and then a follow up video for how to modify ship loadouts to counteract the platforms.
I can answer your second part: avoid engaging these strongholds. They outrange you and therefor deal a lot more damage then an equal sized fleet. If you rally have to engage them then the good old arti battleship is the right choice.
You want a real defensive system?
WHAT WAS SHALL BE + orbital rings
Holy shit you’re right
I think one building to add to the vanilla is a surface-space cannon. Something that can damage ships bombarding. So that you will get attrition from orbital bombardment.
We heard you like Fortress Worlds, so we gave you the ability to build a fortress for your world.
I'm so massively happy to see how much your channel just keeps growing. I used to have to rely on 2-3 other youtubers to get the information I wanted out of Stellaris and now you're providing more accurate and regular info than the lot of them combined. And they're all pretty well known as the 'biggest' Stellaris content creators. I'm loving it. Memes, experiments, good info, patch notes - the amount of work you put in compared to them is crazy, and the quality shows. Keep up the stellar work, been a joy to tag along since the first few hundred subs.
The best part about the orbital ring (in my opinion) is that it looks so cool. An ecumenopolis surrounded by an orbital ring is just so sexy to me.
can't wait for the modding community to allow us to build orbital rings around our ring worlds xD
I just realized this makes the horizons signal even more op. If you combined that with aquacentric and someone where to terreform every one of those planets into water worlds add a ring on every one increase the districts and fucking spam defense platforms and well.... screw 1 planet challenge lets go for a 1 SYSTEM CHALLENGE!!!!!
Metallurgist jobs on my ecumenopolis foundry worlds can produce 14.5 alloys out of 8.2 minerals, thus makes the fallen empires' Auto-Forge like a child play
The biggest problem is that most systems typically only have 1 planet at most, and the odds of getting a choke point multi-planet system are pretty low.
Turn up your habitable planet multiplier and that will change ;)
One megastructure I would like is an ultra space ship. However with the twist that if you lose the system it's in while under construction the enemy will take your ship and can complete it even if they haven't gotten the needed techs. That way you will have extremely valuable targets to defend.
Expensive defenses require expensive targets to defend.
You could also do that with normal megastructures that maybe if you conquer a system that has one you can deconstruct it. However it will be a time consuming process and if you lose control of the system the process is halted. The one that took it can then choose to either resume the deconstruction or to repair it.
That would again give you things you want to protect at all cost.
Terminal Egress: The Ultimate Chokepoint
3 habitable planets to be made into fortress worlds each with a ring
Plus the starbase
Also the disengagement malus from a being in a black hole system
Go ahead and found a merc enclave there too for the garrison
Loads of other planetary bodies that could have fortress habitats
It can't be bypassed with jump drive or a quantum catapult
You could have a fleet parked next to an L-gate outside the cluster waiting to catch the enemy in a pincer maneuver
And even it's immune to star eaters because it's already a black hole
You can move through L-gates (and wormholes, or other gateways) regardless of FTL blockers. So you need to have a way of catching them in combat once they arrive at Terminal Egress, otherwise they can just move through to abother L-Gate
I was thinking more of relocating my entire civilization into the L-cluster and leaving the galaxy to fend for itself.
Can you build orbital rings around habitats?
I am a bitch for anything that is remotely defensive so when I learned that I can change a world to a fortress one, it almost made me cry in joy. Now that I can put a ring on my planet with defenses?? Absolute tears of joy
I smell a resurgence of corvette screen fleets. Let it jump into the system early to draw the first fire, then let the bulk of your battleship fleet in later when the defences are engaged against corvettes to try and close the distance. Need to test this :D
Man, I wish you could still cheese the worm. I'm itching to make the ultimate fortress system.
Funny that orbital rings get a few L-slot weapons but citadels are stuck with M-slots.
me: I want to build 4 orbital rings around my ring world
the cowards at paradox: absolutely not
Coming back to this video, I fell in love with orbital rinds all over again when I discovered that defensive platform cap bonuses also affect the orbital rings. A level 4 ring gives you 8 base, +8 from defence grid supercomputer, +12 from strategic coordination center, and +50% from unyielding lets you have *42 (forty-two)*. On 1 (one) ring.
42 platforms on one ring.
42.
Definitely would love the defense platform video - please also include a comparison to the equivalent fleet you could make with similar materials/upkeep, if you can. I'd love to see that!
Dude a large system post worm transformation with every capable colony having a ring world would be so much fun
yeah full testing video please I wonder how epic this can get with Trappist
See here ! This is why I watch these videos. Little tidbits of info. I had no idea the type of scientist (ex. void craft) doing the research increased the possibility that type of research option becoming available.
Finally you can also create something as a defensive player
The worm but all planets have ion cannons on them.
VERY interested in a full testing video on this
this is a very science video about the powerhouse of the system
It would be fun to see the true defense capability of the platforms whit orbital rings
The only complaint about the orbital rings is the influence cost. If I'm still expanding when I unlock them, they become a massive influence drain. The fact that their upgrades take influence along with the habitation modules is just rough. By the mid game I'm usually doing okay with influence but with these I have to play defensively and not claim anything or forgo the orbital rings for quite some time. I don't understand why they take influence to upgrade when no other mega structures does.
mine is the height to which upkeep soars on the energy credit bilance. It starts getting raher expenisive if you´ve got more than 5 and not optimized towards energy credit output.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 energy credits are much easier to obtain though. Influence is always a trickle unless you become the galactic custodian or use the edict that gives you a bunch at the cost of a high amount of unity. A Dyson sphere is almost always a must have for me though so the energy problem isn't long term.
Ring World: "Oh look it is my childhood"
@Montu Plays - I've found your channel a few days ago and watched a LOT of your vids since then.
I then tried to put some of your builds into practice. While doing so I came up with something that ... well... it felt kinda ridiculously strong to me and i'd love to hear your opinion on the concept (and potentially see how you turn it into a 'meta-like' build if you so desire)
take your Master Crafter-Technocracy build.
replace Masterful Craftsmen with Feudal (this gets rid of leader upkeep)
spam science ships at the start and start with the Discovery tradition for the increased chance to find anomalies (potentially transition out of the tradition after that pick, not sure)
profit.
for me the insane amount of basically upkeep less science ships (I went with about a dozen) meant I had soooo much science stockpiled all the time I effectively had +75% research production for most of the early game.
I would love what you - and any other viewer that gave it a shot - thinks about this concept.
love your vids an cant wait for more of them 😛
Now take all of that, and do it in the Terminal Egress system, and you have a nearly impossible-to-take fortress system. I'm talking, depending on how you set it up, easily 300k fleet power in system from rings/starbase, needing at least a million to take it out, more if you cheesily stick your fleets at the L-gate in the system, where your ships will be able to instantly open fire before the enemy can as soon as they arrive into the system.
Orbital rings on a system craft