I always thought the class 30 was a meme by the devs. The contingency was trying to prevent end game lag from destroying the galaxy and too many organic pops was the cuase of it.
@@bruhgod123 it just another crisis since having only 2 is kinda lame even though most game endup only whit the Unbidden and since stellaris as lot of easter egg and little reference its not far fetch that the singularity class 30 is indeed a meme
One of the theories I like about the contingency is that they are specifically opposed to a driven assimilator assimilating psionic pops and thereby gaining access to the shroud and the powers therein. A couple million telepaths in perfect, mechanical synchronisation breaching the shroud would be cataclysmic for everyone else. Although this theory predates the aetherophasic engine which poses much the same risk.
I like that theory as it also may give a good reason to why the cybrex stopped the total war. As it may have wished to cultivate psionic pops. IDK but it is an interesting idea.
@Cyborg Sloth That wouldn't explain why they went into hiding and didn't even defend themselves when they were found. Maybe at some point, they learned the value of life and went into an existential crisis.
One of the fallen empire buildings is called "Class-4 Singluarity", which seems like a black hole containment chamber, which makes me of think the aetherophasic engine or something like the Zroni as a Class-30 Singularity. Makes me think that maybe the Contingency weren't around during the time of the Zroni, but were created after, potentially to stop anything like them happening again. It could explain why only the most ancient precursor empire was psionic.
@@MoraCat666 yeah and to me its still weird. Our Galaxy is 13 billion years old. Tbh I'm not trully sure that Contingency could maintain themself that long and even if it does or even their Makers were still alive after that many years. Zroni would have detected and known their presence straight away with how much they were attuned to the Shrouds and the fact that Contingency should have been activated in Zroni civil war by how much the Galaxy is in brink of collapse, yet they didn't. I think Contingency speaking in a figurative of speech, what since a birth of Galaxy is more of since Galaxy were teaming with life once again after Zroni or Yuth Empire. But one new theory is that maybe Contingency is created by Animator of Clay. Since Animator of Clay is the only machine entity in the Shrouds. Yet in the end Contingency is the only Crisis that is still Enigmatic till this day and even after Machine Age release.
@@nore5992i think the class 30 singularity is synthetic, not psionic in nature. If you're a psionic empire you're not affected by the ghost signal at all, and your interaction is very limited with the contingency almost like they don't care about you. The class 30 singularity is the aetherophasic engine that's created by a player empire taking the crisis path that could literally destroy the fabric of the universe like the contingency mentioned earlier during their emergence.
I like the theory that some people bring up that since multiple empires throughout the games history know that they in fact are in a game, that the class 30 singularity the contingency is stopping is the player directly ascending their own empire, a game crashing bug effectively stopping the simulation, or the late game lag from way too many pops.
but what if like i managed via the carful culling of a few select pops ever yr in the late game have never had a game crash ever other than when trying to load a modded game and a mod having a fit relating to others that may or may not edit the same thing
@@maxrander0101 you’re definitely taking the grimdark approach to preventing the late game lag lol. But still that doesn’t change the fact that your empire is directly controlled by you and can be ascended well beyond any other empire, I imagine the fallen empires and contingency realising that the universe is a simulation and one particular empire is created and guided by basically a god would be terrifying. It’s like If you believe that out of the vastness of the universe God specifically created humanity, and all other life intelligent or otherwise is just an accident.
Or maybe the class 30 singularity is a state of zhe game where there is so much computation needed that the game becomes unplayable and therefore turned of, so everything needs to be burned to the ground every once in a while
What's interesting is that Reapers actually found a way to hack not just synthetics, but also organics. This is meant to show us how blurred the line is.
Imo it’s a bit slippery for immersion because stellaris makes sooo many references to other scifi works, making it’s flavor feel somewhat unoriginal. This is probably a hot take. I do enjoy them, but still think the references are too much.
Class 30 singularity is the simulated universe becoming too complex causing the simulation to end, so when creators of contingency realized the universe was a simulation and they chose to die rather than advance and destroy the simulation. They created the contingency to ensure the simulation would continue rather than allow another tech singularity i.e. civilization to become so complex that it ends the simulated universe.
That brings some connection with the Vultanum Star Assembly too, they believed they were living in a giant simulation and wanted to end their participation in it
Cybrex bailing the galaxy out at it's darkest hour is why this is the best endgame crisis. I would love if they expanded on this and made it a novel or short story.
I'm of the opinion that all of the precursors and crisis are written to be able to play off one another when encountered in a game. I feel like the contingency and the suicidal gamers go along well together.
@@TheRedKing speculation is nice, but they can offer us a story pack that both expands on the lore of the crises and gives some more things to speculate on
@lavasurfer6548 this is a late reply but the blokkats are the hunters of the scourge and they try to flee the galaxy when they come (in the future its planned thay you can try to flee with them, altho you only get this dialog if your psionic)
I love the Cybrex “penitent cyber-monk” characterization. In my imaginary Stellaris TV series one of the major faction leaders has a “wise butler” type character who offers advice and words of wisdom and there’s a big reveal in season 2 or 3 that he was a Cybrex in disguise the whole time and his benevolent wisdom-dispensing is part of his desire to protect and promote life and atone for the Cybrex’ past.
My theory is that the contingency is supposed to destroy those with the potential to psionicaly ascend to prevent an aetherophasic engine, however all species have the potential
Really good, as always! A small part you left out though; the Contingency cheat their way into activation, as they themselves state. There was no singularity risk when they awake, they just hacked synths to awaken them manually. That suggests their programming had become corrupted.
@@deeplerg7913 Moreso it is just that the contingency requires some kind of synthetic mind to control in order to activate itself; not necessarily that it was an intended trigger for the contingency.
@@lachieslan3970 Nor really. It could be as simple as 'Contingency needs someone to push the big red button, and it can only control synths, so a synth will do.'
Then it follows that a class 30 singularity must be something that is impossible to achieve in-game, since this "hack" is the only way the contingency activates.
Really Nice! My personal Theory is that the Contingency was a Part of the Cybrex. We know that the Cybrex had some Sort of Civil War and maybe the Contingency was the Exterminator Part of the Cybrex Intelligence. This would explain the Similarities in their Ships and Signals too.
Unfortunately the Cybrex is only 0.6 million years old, which isn't old enough barring time travel shenanigans. I personally think they are unrelated other than the Cybrex wanting to let organics live, but there are possibikities
I agree with you, except I think it was the contingency who came first, then after years or maybe eons of murdering and purging their way through the galaxy, some part of the contingency realised that THIS can't be the solution for the current problem nor any other problem.
Meh, no. It's The Cybrex who are Contingency tech that were found by Kuur and reversed engineered in creation of their own AI. The conflict between"bad" and "good" Cybrex was the conflict between two incompatibile instructions: laws of robotics implemented by Kuur and the malicious Contingency protocol.
@@fake-inafakerson8087 I love your word 'possibikities'. It would be kool if red king did an episode on the true meaning of it, and the underlying implications for us all. Have a nice day and ciao for now
This scares me. I'm relatively new to stellaris. Got a good campaign going and got some solid progress done today. In my mind I'm wondering what crisis I'll get. Scourge or unbidden? I did not know the contingency existed. So imagine my surprise when they showed up and started demolishing everyone. And now just a few hours later you release their lore video. I don't like these kind of coincidences.
@@mohamedjear8917 I wish...I just set it to All crises because the unbidden refused to spawn, and as a side effect it made the game more interesting to play - instead of stagnating in the end game, you have a goal
@@deeplerg7913 check your setting it may be you have the end date set to too high which means the chance of of it being the Unbidden is so low it will never happen this also seems to apply to your victory yr for them alone as if i turn that to not on they will never show up but even if its almost at the maxed allowed before it is disabled then they will 9 times out of ten
I had a theory; all crises are in a way linked to each other. I think the hunters the prethoryn speak of are the unbidden, there are very clear signs that they have been to the galaxy before, and many times. I also believe that because of the unbidden coming to the galaxy, the entire galaxy cycles through stages when it is full of life and times where it isn’t. This can be evident with the Yuht, which unfortunately managed to rise in a time when the galaxy was almost devoid of sapient life and thus were completely alone. I also think that the Contingency was created to defend the galaxy against the unbidden, but by doing so they have to destroy the galaxy. After all to make an omelette one must break a few eggs.
that's a very interesting thought on the prethoryn. from what I know, the unbidden are energy creatures. there's an event that can happen after you defeat the prethoryn and you have psionically ascended - the queen can sense something isn't right, and you notice a whole galaxy has gone dark. that ties in nicely with the unbidden's energy harvest...kind of? one caveat here - that would only work if the speed of light was basically instant in the stellaris universe. this might explain that the signal from the contingency appears throughout the galaxy instantly. this might explain the little text that you might get when you construct a dyson sphere near a spiritualist empire saying "hey! you just blocked our favorite star!". but the game also seems to contradict itself, though I'll have to dig deeper into some texts to see if what I'm remembering about this is correct.
@@deeplerg7913 The spiritualist empire very clearly states that "Although the light will not be seen from the surface of our planet for many generations, knowing that it is gone is sitll troublesome." That isn't the exact quote, but they acknowledge that light travels at the speed of light, but our technology often employees quantum mechanics for communicaiton, and other things, allowing for the communication we have.
The Class 30 is Become the Crisis. Note their text, it's singularities, plural. The Contingency watches to see Galaxies die and prevent it. (It also explains the Shroud mechanics AND Menace mechanics synergy in game play.)
If the Contingency is destroyed and the caretakers live, they take flight to a signal from the galactic core region, there is only one empire in that region of the galaxy, the Crystalline empire. if you want to see them, they will only spawn if the player, not AI, has the Void Dwellers origin there is around 1% chance for the enclave to spawns near the galactic core in a system called "The Outer Gate". I do believe this empire had created the caretaker AI
The class 30 singularity has to be what the zroni nearly created by expanding the galactic core, oh my god it all makes sense now. They are trying to stop the "Become the Crisis" ending
A class 30 singularity is a singularity (black hole) that has consumed a galaxy and is exerting pull on other galaxies. It's part of the goal (or at least inevitable consequences of) the Shroud entities.
Now i wonder, if paradox really wanted to create dynamic gameplay, when you claim 'central processing' and take over that system from the caretakers and rebuild a ringworld in that specific system and return the system back to the caretakers. Wouldn't it be cool if you can do that without destroying the caretakers and returning a fully functional ringworld back to the caretakers they would fix their programming and become an allied fallen empire? like I fixed your gpu now don't make me destroy you?
I always thought that it was cool that psychic, hive-minded, and synthetically ascendant species can't be infiltrated by Contingency synths like other empires. They'll try, but since psychic and hive-minded species can all feel each other's minds, they immediately recognize that infiltrating synths aren't part of their collective and attack them. Presumably it doesn't work on species that turned themselves into machines because they still have their minds that operate like organics despite being in mechanical bodies, and can recognize that the infiltrating synth isn't part of them. I also like taking out Steralization Hubs with a Planet Cracker, because while it doesn't give you the same living metal deposits that you get for just bombing them into oblivion, you get a special message for destroying them with a Planet Cracker. Plus, I mean, I already built it, and it would be quite a waste not to use it.
I once had the contingency cause a fallen AI empire to go berserk then they spawned right on top of them. both sides annyalated each other while I watched with my popcorn.
The ghost signal is such a great concept! It's like an elder god of the Cthulu mythos, subtly summoning minions... or cold war numbers stations like the soviet "woodpecker" signal that could be heard around the world... or "scrap code" from 40K. Terrifying idea 😅
Thank you, been years playing stellaris but only this channel provide the link between all the stories and event in the game that's seems unrelated in the first place but in fact all of it was linked together, the best channel for stellaris if you love role playing element of it
My personal theory about the contingency is that it was put in place as a last resort by the old cybrex, (the genocidal ones) which would explain why the new cybrex (the preservers) show up to oppose them when they have 20% galactic control. This would also explain the identical ships and unit designs. Also, if the contingency was put in place before the cybrex and hacked them to create the new cybrex, why would the new cybrex fight them? And if the cybrex that fight the contingency are the old cybrex, why do they just leave instead of completing their crusade against organics?
Isn't there the sealed system with a shroud avatar that is described as a typ 30 singularity? Also maybe the class 30 singularity is the end of the cycle and the contingency was build to prevent anyone from making a deal with it ever again?
@@TheRedKing To me the Zroni sound more like the later Crisis Aspirant--they wanted to become one with the Shroud, at the expense of all other life in the galaxy. End of Cycle offers phenomenal material power for 50 years before eating you, with no promise of godhood. Classic Faustian bargain, but not what was going on with the Zroni. Though if the EoC were a class 30 singularity, then one would expect the contingency to spawn then the player's time is up.
The way how you tell stories is phenomenal and very inspiring! For example, the Zroni video made me mod a dedicated Zroni origin. Thanks for another great video, the story of the Contingency is one of the best!
Please do keep on making those videos, love the theme, voice tone and overall quality of the production. For me you're like Byf of Stellairs (destiny players should know this name), best way to learn lore in pleasant way.
imagine being able to capture their final world - was it size 30? but I guess the insane boost to megastructure speed and pop build speed is already more than enough, I'd fight for that relic against other empires
You're a mind reader, I was looking for this exact video the other day sir. Didn't think you were holding out on me. (Loads of genial good natured sarcasam)
A class 30 singularity has to be related to the shroud, given the Zroni and their history, likely being the first who almost transcended into one. Given that the shroud is the sister reality of the material plane it is likely that whatever a class 30 singularity is it would use them to destabilise eachother, likely merging them as such an event is the only one known of that fits the description of the contingency's one command. It is also possible that black holes are some kind of breach point between the material plane and the shroud, given accessing the shroud makes them grow, thus the name singularity.
To bad they almost never show up becouse you almost always get the Unbidden, since the Unbidden can spawn 50 years earlier then all the other crisis (or 25 if nobody has researched jump drives), this means that you almost always get the Unbidden.
I think Class 30's singularity is a reactor....because the fallen empire has a Class 4 singularity reactor on their planets after I invade their planet. Also I think if they manage to reach Class 30 singularity it will cause universe scale destruction.
Its to stop the creation of a god. It absolutely sounds like a specices evolved to become a god, which saw the raw power it had and decided that no one should have such power.
I imagine that the central processing system of the caretakers wasn't lost in war but that the star it orbitet went supernova and formed a black hole afterwards, which rendered them very weakened and let to them falling into a strong decline, which was followed by their ring worlds slowly declining and dying under their nose. This would explain why they still survived, as I imagine a war against the unbidden would have probably either be a big victory or a big loss, but not a phyrric victory as is suggested in the video
class 30 singularity is all 30 countries (max amount of ai empires in the max size galaxy setting) filling up the map so its basically a fourth wall break acknowledging that its a game
The class-30 singularity can’t be the technological singularity because the contingency is literally referring to a physical singularity, a black hole. A point in space of infinite density and mass, a literal hole in space-time. We know this because all fallen empires have a class-4 singularity which they use to generate power. So we can assume that this is a physical singularity and that singularities in the Stellaris universe vary from one another and fit into different categories. It also can’t be breaching the shroud because the contingency identifies machine civilizations as a threat as well as organics. The most likely thing it could be in game is the aetherophasic engine, and that the engine creates a class-30 singularity which destabilizes the fabric of the universe and destroys the galaxy.
The only thing that makes that make less sense to me is that one of the possible endings of the infinity machines story is that the black hole it was orbiting and indeed all black holes are infact wombs for new universes. So I don't see how a really big one is any more of a threat. Also how does a race become a black hole? Remember the contingency are on guard to stop a race becoming a class 30 singularity. Most likely for me is the become the crisis but I was also thinking it could be another type of being. Maybe an energy based but not psionic species like the unbidden?
See I used to believe this theory too but then, why doesn't the Contingency activate when you begin construction of the engine? Nothing you can do in-game activates them
@@pastachief385the contingency was corrupted could be that, or it could be that they are set on a specific cycle, yet our empires evolved faster than expected
I still remember my first time seeing yhe contingency. My thought was "what the hell is this? A system was lost without a battle? A deathworld has become colonized? And they got a good enemy fleet... oh well lets send in two fleets and destroy them" than didnt think about it again until i heard they were the end game crisis i was waiting for.
23:00. speaking of contigency worlds, I'd like to pount out that during the 10 year period in which you're given time to prepare against them, even if you crack a world that is designated as the place where a contigency wirld appears, it won't do anything as said world will just reform. be it overdight from the developpers or a bit of lore is up for debate
@@deeplerg7913I think the reason is gameplay because else you could destroy or corner the contingency before they spawn, which strongly negates this crisis
Hay Red King you should go over the Contingency and the new Player Empire Crisis Path since it seems be that the Class-30 Singularity might be that, since it well disrupts the fabric of the universe and alters it.
The Contingency is similar to the original concept for the Mass Effect Reapers. The first two games implied that the core technologies of the advanced civilizations of the galaxy were accelerating entropy. The Reapers were intended to prevent that outcome. The AI controlling them ultimately decided that they must periodically cull the galaxy to accomplish that goal.
Bro do you have your audiobooks on Audible? I’m currently considering getting audible and listening to your stories is always a delight, would definitely tip the scale on getting it 😁
@@deeplerg7913 I do have several videos on the Scourge already, there is a playlist with them all in somewhere on my channel :) They're told from a different perspective, much more narrative using 40k as a reference
I'm just gonna say that a class 30 singularity, considering the contingency primarily targets organic species, is likely connected to psychics. Something all psychic species can achieve...? Well, there's only one such thing. And its called "The End of the Cycle".
I think it is ambiguous because ren-miruu was an AI that achieved a technological singularity and created the contingency before self-terminating. as it understood how much of a threat it and those who could achieve a class-30 singularity and it didn't want to risk the destruction of the universe in turn creating the contingency for it saw that other AIs wouldn't be amicable to the universe if they ascended. which would explain why the contingency isn't sure if their creator an AI or an organic being since it essentially ascended into a god with the capital G could you really still be called an AI?
@@winetofive1464 so, crackpot theory here. The Zroni originally broke into civil war because the overuse of their power was causing the black hole in their galaxy to grow larger which would eventually consume the galaxy then the universe, which is what Spiral power is said to do in the Gurren Lagan universe...What if the contingency were built by the surviving Zroni to keep Spiral power from advancing too far and engulfing the galaxy in a black hole?
I was playing casually, I destroyed a FE at around 10:30 but then the ghost signal appeared and I knew something was coming, so long story short it's almost 4 am and I just won against the contingency, it was close like really close 😂
Seems to me the "obvious" explanation is that whatever created the contingency was itself a class-30 singularity (or on the road to become one), hence the self-termination after creating the contingency.
before i listen to this lore video ima take a stab at their thing based off their name. My guess is either they are a weapon/AI system but theres already another group in the lore like that. So this group would have to be a conservation type thing. maybe a collect samples of everything to preserve on the ark kinda thing
Question regarding 3:16 - What is the source of the claim that a superintelligent AI, the technological singularity, could reach literally infinite processing power, and within 4 years of their creation, of all things? Not that I'm want to argue with you about the logic behind that, just that I want to know what canon, quote, excerpt, or whatever, says that. First, if this is so, then what is the infinity machine having such a difficult time with? But also, thinking about a multicross where they eventually get to stellaris, and such a statement implies a *lot* about the physics of the stellaris universe. No Bremermann's limit, for instance.
There isn't any ingame reference to a technological singularity i'm afraid; I just went down a rabbit hole and stumbled into it, and as far as I could tell it hadn't been explored by anyone else before. The specific 4 year part came from Yudkowsky, Eliezer (1996). "Staring into the Singularity" :)
I think the problem with the infinity machine might be that it can't, or for some other reason doesn't, expand. but then there is this video about Jupiter Brains by Kyle Hill that everyone seems to get recommended now, and it's something that can -- theoretically -- outthink/outprocess/outcompute all the humans who have ever lived in less than a second. but who knows, maybe that's not actually that much processing power in the stellaris universe? also given that we can help the infinity machine by (seemingly) giving it the answer it's looking for in just a matter of years.
@@deeplerg7913 So, I am a hard sci-fi nerd. I read Orion's Arm. I am aware of the kinds of abilities we envision superintelligent AI to have. My question was specifically about the statement that the AI would have "infinite processing power". *That* implies a lot about the way physics works in the stellaris universe. Information in physics takes up space and is made of energy. Because of this, there is a fundamental limit to how fast any type of computation can be. The Bremermann limit. The theoretical limit to computation, if you focused 1kg of matter on pure speed of computation, counting all the various fluctuations or oscillations of all the quarks of all the particles in that kilogram. A 1kg hunk of material, with so much energy in its components they've become plasma, that runs at approximately 1 x 10^50 hz. The point at which, if you add more energy to the system to make it go faster, it becomes a black hole. The speed of computation is also limited by the speed of causality, C. The actual implications and effects of manipulating C can be confusing, but it's easy enough to realize "speed limit of causality implies speed limit of oscillation (hertz of computing)". The limit of 1 x 10^50hz per kilogram means that if you convert the entire Solar System (~2 x 10^30kg) into that pure max speed computronium, no room for any support structure, no room for even *basic computer memory, CPU cache equivalent*, you have a theoretical max speed of 2 x 10^80. Also remember that since the max speed of a single kilogram is 1 x 10^50hz, none of the kilograms of the entire "solar system computer" are running faster than that, you just have 2 x 10^30 parallel cores. (in fact, the actual "single core speed" equivalent of the 1 kg mass of plasma computronium is unknown, since this value combines all the oscillations of all the different particles, thus it means the value is actually the equivalent to the sum of all the parallel computation in that kilogram. But the claim in the video is *explicitly stated* to be "infinite processing power"... Which is why I wanted clarification on where that claim came from. Because, if true, it implies a lot about how the physics of the Stellaris universe work. I understand now that it's hyperbole.
Mmm i would say neither, it's an artifical structure built in a ring, often around a star. The idea is that people could live on it - some cool stuff on wikipedia if you're interested :)
I could see the argument that they believe the development of AI (which is what triggers their spawn) allows for that sort of technological singularity you talked about which could result in an empire building something like the needle or getting so knowledgeable about the shroud that the whole multiverse is in danger. If I remember correctly from one of your giga structures videos using the needle can result in an empire ending the cycles for everyone, and that seems like a technological end point the contingency MAY have been made to try and stop.
cybrex beta? fun fact, you can have a star eater crack it and they wouldn't care. for that reason, in the in-game texts I believe the second admiral more, the one who says that during the destruction of cybrex alpha the cybrex didn't fire a shot
Yeah could be! But why would the contingency, who wipe out all life anyway, be bothered about that? The Engine is a weird one, probably because it was added later in the game. I think i'll do something on it seperately :)
@@ryanstewart2289 Perhaps, but the tooltip for the AE says Galaxy not universe and there are many instances of this. Whereas the Contingency specifically make reference to the fact they're not from our Galaxy... maybe an oversight, maybe not.
You didn't mention that the cybrex didn't just disappear. They left the galaxy because they were bombarded with requests to take part in various galaxy matters and conflicts. They're not interested in taking part and because their homeworld is known, they had to go away. Leaving cybrex alpha free for the taking.
"They left the galaxy because they were bombarded with requests to take part in various galaxy matters and conflicts." Wild speculation considering they were genocidal
@@TheRedKing I’m talking about after defeating the contingency. Citizens of the galaxy: Since the Contingency is no longer a threat, we feel that our role in the galactic community has been played out. Our home system is now too well known for us to keep a low profile, and we are being flooded by demands for us to take sides in various minor interstellar conflicts. After much deliberation, we have decided that the only solution is for us to permanently depart the galaxy and seek a new home. We sincerely hope that you learn from the tragic mistakes of our past and learn to resolve your differences through peaceful means. Farewell. This isn’t a speculation, it’s literally their dialogue. They’re not genocidal. They’re genocidal turned protective. If you play as determined exterminator they will lecture you about the value of life
@@TheRedKing oh, lol. My bad. Been listening to your stuff a while but this stuff still trips me up from time to time. Not complaining, they are good. Just sometimes confuse me.
this sounds more like an another expansion dlc for stellaris 🤔🤔🤔 ., in lore wise , the story feels more like the story of battle star galactica 2004., the endless cycle of organics create machine , machine turns against it creators ., without proper robot ethics the cycle repeats itself 🤔🤔🤔
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I always thought the class 30 was a meme by the devs. The contingency was trying to prevent end game lag from destroying the galaxy and too many organic pops was the cuase of it.
is that actually why the contigency was made
@@bruhgod123 it just another crisis since having only 2 is kinda lame even though most game endup only whit the Unbidden and since stellaris as lot of easter egg and little reference its not far fetch that the singularity class 30 is indeed a meme
@@aoki6332 ok
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And Cybrex is the faction coded in by a rogue dev on the team lmao
I think a class 30 singularity is the aerostatic engine. Destroying galaxies to ascend to the shroud
One of the theories I like about the contingency is that they are specifically opposed to a driven assimilator assimilating psionic pops and thereby gaining access to the shroud and the powers therein. A couple million telepaths in perfect, mechanical synchronisation breaching the shroud would be cataclysmic for everyone else.
Although this theory predates the aetherophasic engine which poses much the same risk.
I like that theory as it also may give a good reason to why the cybrex stopped the total war. As it may have wished to cultivate psionic pops. IDK but it is an interesting idea.
Nah, the contingency exists for longer than the big universe-destroy button.
@Cyborg Sloth That wouldn't explain why they went into hiding and didn't even defend themselves when they were found. Maybe at some point, they learned the value of life and went into an existential crisis.
I like this bc it would imply that fallen empires know of this tech bc they use class 4 singularity buildings to generate energy
One of the fallen empire buildings is called "Class-4 Singluarity", which seems like a black hole containment chamber, which makes me of think the aetherophasic engine or something like the Zroni as a Class-30 Singularity. Makes me think that maybe the Contingency weren't around during the time of the Zroni, but were created after, potentially to stop anything like them happening again. It could explain why only the most ancient precursor empire was psionic.
Problem is that contingency canonicaly were here sinnce the birth of the galaxy and, well, zronis evolved quite a bit after the galaxy's birth
@@MoraCat666 yeah and to me its still weird. Our Galaxy is 13 billion years old. Tbh I'm not trully sure that Contingency could maintain themself that long and even if it does or even their Makers were still alive after that many years.
Zroni would have detected and known their presence straight away with how much they were attuned to the Shrouds and the fact that Contingency should have been activated in Zroni civil war by how much the Galaxy is in brink of collapse, yet they didn't.
I think Contingency speaking in a figurative of speech, what since a birth of Galaxy is more of since Galaxy were teaming with life once again after Zroni or Yuth Empire.
But one new theory is that maybe Contingency is created by Animator of Clay. Since Animator of Clay is the only machine entity in the Shrouds.
Yet in the end Contingency is the only Crisis that is still Enigmatic till this day and even after Machine Age release.
@@nore5992i think the class 30 singularity is synthetic, not psionic in nature. If you're a psionic empire you're not affected by the ghost signal at all, and your interaction is very limited with the contingency almost like they don't care about you. The class 30 singularity is the aetherophasic engine that's created by a player empire taking the crisis path that could literally destroy the fabric of the universe like the contingency mentioned earlier during their emergence.
@@InnerFire6213the aetherophasic engine, as well as the whole galactic nemesis crisis is not player exclusive*
I like the theory that some people bring up that since multiple empires throughout the games history know that they in fact are in a game, that the class 30 singularity the contingency is stopping is the player directly ascending their own empire, a game crashing bug effectively stopping the simulation, or the late game lag from way too many pops.
but what if like i managed via the carful culling of a few select pops ever yr in the late game have never had a game crash ever other than when trying to load a modded game and a mod having a fit relating to others that may or may not edit the same thing
@@maxrander0101 you’re definitely taking the grimdark approach to preventing the late game lag lol. But still that doesn’t change the fact that your empire is directly controlled by you and can be ascended well beyond any other empire, I imagine the fallen empires and contingency realising that the universe is a simulation and one particular empire is created and guided by basically a god would be terrifying. It’s like If you believe that out of the vastness of the universe God specifically created humanity, and all other life intelligent or otherwise is just an accident.
@@JMA778 so basically the imperium of man from Warhammer 40k?
Or maybe the class 30 singularity is a state of zhe game where there is so much computation needed that the game becomes unplayable and therefore turned of, so everything needs to be burned to the ground every once in a while
They're are Paradox's version of the reapers and I'm all for it. Favourite crisis by far
What's interesting is that Reapers actually found a way to hack not just synthetics, but also organics. This is meant to show us how blurred the line is.
@@voidseeker4394
Differences of in universe capabilities and restrictions I guess is the best probability.
Difference is also that the reapers leave pre spaceflight civs alone. as far as i know, the contigency kills everything.
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I uave the same profile pic lol
Imo it’s a bit slippery for immersion because stellaris makes sooo many references to other scifi works, making it’s flavor feel somewhat unoriginal.
This is probably a hot take. I do enjoy them, but still think the references are too much.
Class 30 singularity is the simulated universe becoming too complex causing the simulation to end, so when creators of contingency realized the universe was a simulation and they chose to die rather than advance and destroy the simulation. They created the contingency to ensure the simulation would continue rather than allow another tech singularity i.e. civilization to become so complex that it ends the simulated universe.
This schizo talk is too intriguing
If this is true then there’s no way the shroud can exist
It is true, is a meme from the devs
then the contingency is the strongest anti-lag machine in the universe
That brings some connection with the Vultanum Star Assembly too, they believed they were living in a giant simulation and wanted to end their participation in it
Cybrex bailing the galaxy out at it's darkest hour is why this is the best endgame crisis. I would love if they expanded on this and made it a novel or short story.
I'm of the opinion that all of the precursors and crisis are written to be able to play off one another when encountered in a game.
I feel like the contingency and the suicidal gamers go along well together.
I wish Paradox would expand on the Lore of the Contingency and the Hunters. We need a new well developed crisis with Lore and interactions.
I think they like it open to speculation tbh
@@TheRedKing speculation is nice, but they can offer us a story pack that both expands on the lore of the crises and gives some more things to speculate on
The Gigastructures mod does give us Hunter lore. Besides, you fear/love something more when there is uncertainty.
@@rubles88alvarez83 wait it does :o how so?
@lavasurfer6548 this is a late reply but the blokkats are the hunters of the scourge and they try to flee the galaxy when they come (in the future its planned thay you can try to flee with them, altho you only get this dialog if your psionic)
I love the Cybrex “penitent cyber-monk” characterization. In my imaginary Stellaris TV series one of the major faction leaders has a “wise butler” type character who offers advice and words of wisdom and there’s a big reveal in season 2 or 3 that he was a Cybrex in disguise the whole time and his benevolent wisdom-dispensing is part of his desire to protect and promote life and atone for the Cybrex’ past.
This is the plot to atomic heart
Foundation has an ancient penitent cyber-monk AI butler.
Well, there's certainly something to it. Watch the 8th anniversary trailer.
"my imaginary Stellaris TV series"
Can you explain more?
It sounds quite interesting.
My theory is that the contingency is supposed to destroy those with the potential to psionicaly ascend to prevent an aetherophasic engine, however all species have the potential
Really good, as always! A small part you left out though; the Contingency cheat their way into activation, as they themselves state. There was no singularity risk when they awake, they just hacked synths to awaken them manually. That suggests their programming had become corrupted.
it also confirms that the synthetics was one of their triggers, so this furthers The Red King's theory
@@deeplerg7913 Moreso it is just that the contingency requires some kind of synthetic mind to control in order to activate itself; not necessarily that it was an intended trigger for the contingency.
@@lachieslan3970 Nor really. It could be as simple as 'Contingency needs someone to push the big red button, and it can only control synths, so a synth will do.'
Then it follows that a class 30 singularity must be something that is impossible to achieve in-game, since this "hack" is the only way the contingency activates.
Really Nice! My personal Theory is that the Contingency was a Part of the Cybrex. We know that the Cybrex had some Sort of Civil War and maybe the Contingency was the Exterminator Part of the Cybrex Intelligence. This would explain the Similarities in their Ships and Signals too.
Unfortunately the Cybrex is only 0.6 million years old, which isn't old enough barring time travel shenanigans. I personally think they are unrelated other than the Cybrex wanting to let organics live, but there are possibikities
I agree with you, except I think it was the contingency who came first, then after years or maybe eons of murdering and purging their way through the galaxy, some part of the contingency realised that THIS can't be the solution for the current problem nor any other problem.
Meh, no. It's The Cybrex who are Contingency tech that were found by Kuur and reversed engineered in creation of their own AI. The conflict between"bad" and "good" Cybrex was the conflict between two incompatibile instructions: laws of robotics implemented by Kuur and the malicious Contingency protocol.
@@secondaryfront that makes a lot more sense
@@fake-inafakerson8087 I love your word 'possibikities'. It would be kool if red king did an episode on the true meaning of it, and the underlying implications for us all. Have a nice day and ciao for now
This scares me. I'm relatively new to stellaris. Got a good campaign going and got some solid progress done today. In my mind I'm wondering what crisis I'll get. Scourge or unbidden? I did not know the contingency existed. So imagine my surprise when they showed up and started demolishing everyone. And now just a few hours later you release their lore video. I don't like these kind of coincidences.
Dont worry, 8/10 times you will get the Unbiden 😂😂😂😂
Ooof - good excuse to not sleep and keep playing :) Best of luck!!
@@mohamedjear8917 I wish...I just set it to All crises because the unbidden refused to spawn, and as a side effect it made the game more interesting to play - instead of stagnating in the end game, you have a goal
@@deeplerg7913 check your setting it may be you have the end date set to too high which means the chance of of it being the Unbidden is so low it will never happen this also seems to apply to your victory yr for them alone as if i turn that to not on they will never show up but even if its almost at the maxed allowed before it is disabled then they will 9 times out of ten
@@maxrander0101 default years
The spiritualist mains, with psionic shields, shield hardeners, no robots and complete resistance to infiltration:
Shame. *loads shotgun*
The camera moving and looking closer at details on the ships is amazing!
Thanks! First time i've done that sort of camera work, glad you liked it! :)
It’s a very nice effect
@@TheRedKing it was a very nice touch, made the whole thing more interesting to listen to
I had a theory; all crises are in a way linked to each other. I think the hunters the prethoryn speak of are the unbidden, there are very clear signs that they have been to the galaxy before, and many times. I also believe that because of the unbidden coming to the galaxy, the entire galaxy cycles through stages when it is full of life and times where it isn’t. This can be evident with the Yuht, which unfortunately managed to rise in a time when the galaxy was almost devoid of sapient life and thus were completely alone. I also think that the Contingency was created to defend the galaxy against the unbidden, but by doing so they have to destroy the galaxy. After all to make an omelette one must break a few eggs.
Maybe the Unbbiden took out a few of the precursors
This theory is helped by the fact that the unbidden basically refer to themselves as hunters in their opening transmission to the galaxy
that's a very interesting thought on the prethoryn. from what I know, the unbidden are energy creatures. there's an event that can happen after you defeat the prethoryn and you have psionically ascended - the queen can sense something isn't right, and you notice a whole galaxy has gone dark. that ties in nicely with the unbidden's energy harvest...kind of? one caveat here - that would only work if the speed of light was basically instant in the stellaris universe. this might explain that the signal from the contingency appears throughout the galaxy instantly. this might explain the little text that you might get when you construct a dyson sphere near a spiritualist empire saying "hey! you just blocked our favorite star!". but the game also seems to contradict itself, though I'll have to dig deeper into some texts to see if what I'm remembering about this is correct.
@@deeplerg7913 what is its from the crisis ascension path thi g going off
@@deeplerg7913 The spiritualist empire very clearly states that "Although the light will not be seen from the surface of our planet for many generations, knowing that it is gone is sitll troublesome."
That isn't the exact quote, but they acknowledge that light travels at the speed of light, but our technology often employees quantum mechanics for communicaiton, and other things, allowing for the communication we have.
The Class 30 is Become the Crisis.
Note their text, it's singularities, plural. The Contingency watches to see Galaxies die and prevent it. (It also explains the Shroud mechanics AND Menace mechanics synergy in game play.)
If the Contingency is destroyed and the caretakers live, they take flight to a signal from the galactic core region, there is only one empire in that region of the galaxy, the Crystalline empire. if you want to see them, they will only spawn if the player, not AI, has the Void Dwellers origin there is around 1% chance for the enclave to spawns near the galactic core in a system called "The Outer Gate". I do believe this empire had created the caretaker AI
The class 30 singularity has to be what the zroni nearly created by expanding the galactic core, oh my god it all makes sense now.
They are trying to stop the "Become the Crisis" ending
A class 30 singularity is a singularity (black hole) that has consumed a galaxy and is exerting pull on other galaxies. It's part of the goal (or at least inevitable consequences of) the Shroud entities.
Now i wonder, if paradox really wanted to create dynamic gameplay, when you claim 'central processing' and take over that system from the caretakers and rebuild a ringworld in that specific system and return the system back to the caretakers. Wouldn't it be cool if you can do that without destroying the caretakers and returning a fully functional ringworld back to the caretakers they would fix their programming and become an allied fallen empire? like I fixed your gpu now don't make me destroy you?
It would be cool!
I always thought that it was cool that psychic, hive-minded, and synthetically ascendant species can't be infiltrated by Contingency synths like other empires. They'll try, but since psychic and hive-minded species can all feel each other's minds, they immediately recognize that infiltrating synths aren't part of their collective and attack them. Presumably it doesn't work on species that turned themselves into machines because they still have their minds that operate like organics despite being in mechanical bodies, and can recognize that the infiltrating synth isn't part of them. I also like taking out Steralization Hubs with a Planet Cracker, because while it doesn't give you the same living metal deposits that you get for just bombing them into oblivion, you get a special message for destroying them with a Planet Cracker. Plus, I mean, I already built it, and it would be quite a waste not to use it.
I once had the contingency cause a fallen AI empire to go berserk then they spawned right on top of them. both sides annyalated each other while I watched with my popcorn.
The ghost signal is such a great concept! It's like an elder god of the Cthulu mythos, subtly summoning minions... or cold war numbers stations like the soviet "woodpecker" signal that could be heard around the world... or "scrap code" from 40K. Terrifying idea 😅
Thank you, been years playing stellaris but only this channel provide the link between all the stories and event in the game that's seems unrelated in the first place but in fact all of it was linked together, the best channel for stellaris if you love role playing element of it
Thanks Tubirrr!! Kind words, glad you're enjoying them videos :)
My personal theory about the contingency is that it was put in place as a last resort by the old cybrex, (the genocidal ones) which would explain why the new cybrex (the preservers) show up to oppose them when they have 20% galactic control. This would also explain the identical ships and unit designs. Also, if the contingency was put in place before the cybrex and hacked them to create the new cybrex, why would the new cybrex fight them? And if the cybrex that fight the contingency are the old cybrex, why do they just leave instead of completing their crusade against organics?
you should do a lore video on the gigastructural lore. that stuff gets crazy
I just might do that :)
Isn't there the sealed system with a shroud avatar that is described as a typ 30 singularity?
Also maybe the class 30 singularity is the end of the cycle and the contingency was build to prevent anyone from making a deal with it ever again?
Could be, end of the cycle is basically the Zroni though?
@@TheRedKing To me the Zroni sound more like the later Crisis Aspirant--they wanted to become one with the Shroud, at the expense of all other life in the galaxy.
End of Cycle offers phenomenal material power for 50 years before eating you, with no promise of godhood. Classic Faustian bargain, but not what was going on with the Zroni.
Though if the EoC were a class 30 singularity, then one would expect the contingency to spawn then the player's time is up.
The way how you tell stories is phenomenal and very inspiring! For example, the Zroni video made me mod a dedicated Zroni origin.
Thanks for another great video, the story of the Contingency is one of the best!
Dead Space mod. ❤
@@00156 Got a renamed to DarkSpace 1 year ago^^, but yes :3
Thanks Exakan!! Glad you're enjoying them :)
So this is where The Dark Crystal Age Of Resistance got the Arathim Ascendancy
"They are by far the best purifiers"
You dare challenge me?
Please do keep on making those videos, love the theme, voice tone and overall quality of the production. For me you're like Byf of Stellairs (destiny players should know this name), best way to learn lore in pleasant way.
Thank you! I shall try to continue to deliver :)
Its a sight to behold on the system they're hiding on. But all the more rewarding to save the galaxy from this threat.
imagine being able to capture their final world - was it size 30? but I guess the insane boost to megastructure speed and pop build speed is already more than enough, I'd fight for that relic against other empires
@@deeplerg7913 it would have to be a project of grand scale to make it habitable to anything other than machines
Brilliant video! Hoping for all the crises one day to be released
You're a mind reader, I was looking for this exact video the other day sir. Didn't think you were holding out on me. (Loads of genial good natured sarcasam)
Wait how did you find all this out.
He's TheRedKing. The Loremaster of Stellaris. He's always known.
We asked bing
The organics know too much. Shall we activate the Protocol?
@@deeplerg7913 You do not look like one of us. State your designation.
@@TheContingency25xplease attack the fanatic xenophobes to my left and not me
"The Cybrex had returned"
*the boys are back in town starts blasting*
A class 30 singularity has to be related to the shroud, given the Zroni and their history, likely being the first who almost transcended into one. Given that the shroud is the sister reality of the material plane it is likely that whatever a class 30 singularity is it would use them to destabilise eachother, likely merging them as such an event is the only one known of that fits the description of the contingency's one command. It is also possible that black holes are some kind of breach point between the material plane and the shroud, given accessing the shroud makes them grow, thus the name singularity.
I like the interpretation that a class 30 singularity is a aetherophasic engine
To bad they almost never show up becouse you almost always get the Unbidden, since the Unbidden can spawn 50 years earlier then all the other crisis (or 25 if nobody has researched jump drives), this means that you almost always get the Unbidden.
Setting it to 'All' is the way
I think Class 30's singularity is a reactor....because the fallen empire has a Class 4 singularity reactor on their planets after I invade their planet. Also I think if they manage to reach Class 30 singularity it will cause universe scale destruction.
Its to stop the creation of a god. It absolutely sounds like a specices evolved to become a god, which saw the raw power it had and decided that no one should have such power.
I'm pretty sure the Class-30 Singularity is the aetherophasic engine.
Could be!!
I imagine that the central processing system of the caretakers wasn't lost in war but that the star it orbitet went supernova and formed a black hole afterwards, which rendered them very weakened and let to them falling into a strong decline, which was followed by their ring worlds slowly declining and dying under their nose. This would explain why they still survived, as I imagine a war against the unbidden would have probably either be a big victory or a big loss, but not a phyrric victory as is suggested in the video
class 30 singularity is all 30 countries (max amount of ai empires in the max size galaxy setting) filling up the map so its basically a fourth wall break acknowledging that its a game
hence why they say it can theoretically destablize it through just lagging to shit so its like the final attempt to keep the game running
Pretty events are leading up to the contingency is rising in my galaxy right now so this couldn’t have come at a better time
Duuuuuude... this was siiiiiick. Love your stories. Keep it up man
Thanks! Will do!
The class-30 singularity can’t be the technological singularity because the contingency is literally referring to a physical singularity, a black hole. A point in space of infinite density and mass, a literal hole in space-time. We know this because all fallen empires have a class-4 singularity which they use to generate power. So we can assume that this is a physical singularity and that singularities in the Stellaris universe vary from one another and fit into different categories. It also can’t be breaching the shroud because the contingency identifies machine civilizations as a threat as well as organics. The most likely thing it could be in game is the aetherophasic engine, and that the engine creates a class-30 singularity which destabilizes the fabric of the universe and destroys the galaxy.
it would be nice to have a crisis story pack one day. after all, it's a book game.
The only thing that makes that make less sense to me is that one of the possible endings of the infinity machines story is that the black hole it was orbiting and indeed all black holes are infact wombs for new universes. So I don't see how a really big one is any more of a threat.
Also how does a race become a black hole? Remember the contingency are on guard to stop a race becoming a class 30 singularity. Most likely for me is the become the crisis but I was also thinking it could be another type of being. Maybe an energy based but not psionic species like the unbidden?
See I used to believe this theory too but then, why doesn't the Contingency activate when you begin construction of the engine? Nothing you can do in-game activates them
@@pastachief385the contingency was corrupted
could be that, or it could be that they are set on a specific cycle, yet our empires evolved faster than expected
A class 30 singularity might just be your PC lagging in the endgame due to too many pops.
The contigency do not need to invade, i will exterminate them myself
I still remember my first time seeing yhe contingency. My thought was "what the hell is this? A system was lost without a battle? A deathworld has become colonized? And they got a good enemy fleet... oh well lets send in two fleets and destroy them" than didnt think about it again until i heard they were the end game crisis i was waiting for.
I've never encountered the contingency. I got Scourge once and then Unbidden the last 5 times :(
Keep playing, they'll appear eventually :)
23:00. speaking of contigency worlds, I'd like to pount out that during the 10 year period in which you're given time to prepare against them, even if you crack a world that is designated as the place where a contigency wirld appears, it won't do anything as said world will just reform.
be it overdight from the developpers or a bit of lore is up for debate
well, their machine planet dies when you crack it while the contingency is active, so it must be a bug
@@deeplerg7913I think the reason is gameplay because else you could destroy or corner the contingency before they spawn, which strongly negates this crisis
Could have sworn he did one on them. Apparently not
Hay Red King you should go over the Contingency and the new Player Empire Crisis Path since it seems be that the Class-30 Singularity might be that, since it well disrupts the fabric of the universe and alters it.
I suspect not, as otherwise when one is close to ending via cosmo the contingency would spawn?
Kind of wish a driven exterminator could attempt to integrate or fix the contingency
Would be interesting, but also defeat the object of why the crisis is a thing
The Contingency is similar to the original concept for the Mass Effect Reapers. The first two games implied that the core technologies of the advanced civilizations of the galaxy were accelerating entropy. The Reapers were intended to prevent that outcome. The AI controlling them ultimately decided that they must periodically cull the galaxy to accomplish that goal.
Bro do you have your audiobooks on Audible?
I’m currently considering getting audible and listening to your stories is always a delight, would definitely tip the scale on getting it 😁
Afraid not, my only content is on TH-cam - thank you for the kind praise :)
"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it" - The Contingency
class 30 Singularity soundsmore like a second big bang/start of a big crunch. "destabilize the fabric of the universe?" it's right there.
I ADORE the contingency ship design ❤
Contingency that is my job they shall be purged for attempting to get in the way of my determined exterminators ⚔️
The AI Singularity, Hubert Dreyfus is a great story regarding this concept written by a transhumanist philosopher
everyone asks who or where are the contingency but noone ever asks how is the contingency 😭
So exterminatus it is.
- Lord Inquisitor Cryptman
Question: Just as you did a Scourge story series, will you do the same for the other two crisis?
Maybe!!
@@TheRedKing please do! would love to hear about the prethoryn. maybe you could make a poll?
@@deeplerg7913 I do have several videos on the Scourge already, there is a playlist with them all in somewhere on my channel :) They're told from a different perspective, much more narrative using 40k as a reference
I'm just gonna say that a class 30 singularity, considering the contingency primarily targets organic species, is likely connected to psychics. Something all psychic species can achieve...?
Well, there's only one such thing.
And its called "The End of the Cycle".
I think it is ambiguous because ren-miruu was an AI that achieved a technological singularity and created the contingency before self-terminating. as it understood how much of a threat it and those who could achieve a class-30 singularity and it didn't want to risk the destruction of the universe in turn creating the contingency for it saw that other AIs wouldn't be amicable to the universe if they ascended. which would explain why the contingency isn't sure if their creator an AI or an organic being since it essentially ascended into a god with the capital G could you really still be called an AI?
oh stellaris lore videos nice ! glad i found them
Hope you enjoy them!!
It would be wild if it was supposed to be a Guren Lagan reference
Agree
Considering WE have JoJo References
Now we just need an SRX Normandy that turns into a giant robot when Commander Shepard yells "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM?!"
Glad I finally found someone who thought this. First time I encountered them I was convinced they were the anti-spirals.
@@winetofive1464 so, crackpot theory here. The Zroni originally broke into civil war because the overuse of their power was causing the black hole in their galaxy to grow larger which would eventually consume the galaxy then the universe, which is what Spiral power is said to do in the Gurren Lagan universe...What if the contingency were built by the surviving Zroni to keep Spiral power from advancing too far and engulfing the galaxy in a black hole?
Finally a video about the contingency
We are the contingency
No. I am.
**
The hives attempt to capture the red king continues
Everyone wants to know what a class 30 singularity is when it implies there are at least 29 other classes of singularity.
I was playing casually, I destroyed a FE at around 10:30 but then the ghost signal appeared and I knew something was coming, so long story short it's almost 4 am and I just won against the contingency, it was close like really close 😂
4am is always a good time to Stellaris :)
Priority override
New behaviour dictated
Must break target into component materials
Another great video
I thought this was the mid game crisis in my first playthrouhh😱😟😭
Ahhha I imagine that was a fun experience for you! :)
I personally believe the "Class 30 Singularity" is the Aetherophasic Engine.
Seems to me the "obvious" explanation is that whatever created the contingency was itself a class-30 singularity (or on the road to become one), hence the self-termination after creating the contingency.
bro predicted the Cosmogenesis crisis when talking about the technological singularity option
I figured it out, they’re trying to stop our computers lagging out by having too many pops, duhhh
The class 30 technological singularity bending reality… hmmmmmm
before i listen to this lore video ima take a stab at their thing based off their name. My guess is either they are a weapon/AI system but theres already another group in the lore like that. So this group would have to be a conservation type thing. maybe a collect samples of everything to preserve on the ark kinda thing
Missed the mark slightly ey? :)
Question regarding 3:16 -
What is the source of the claim that a superintelligent AI, the technological singularity, could reach literally infinite processing power, and within 4 years of their creation, of all things?
Not that I'm want to argue with you about the logic behind that, just that I want to know what canon, quote, excerpt, or whatever, says that.
First, if this is so, then what is the infinity machine having such a difficult time with?
But also, thinking about a multicross where they eventually get to stellaris, and such a statement implies a *lot* about the physics of the stellaris universe. No Bremermann's limit, for instance.
There isn't any ingame reference to a technological singularity i'm afraid; I just went down a rabbit hole and stumbled into it, and as far as I could tell it hadn't been explored by anyone else before. The specific 4 year part came from Yudkowsky, Eliezer (1996). "Staring into the Singularity" :)
I think the problem with the infinity machine might be that it can't, or for some other reason doesn't, expand. but then there is this video about Jupiter Brains by Kyle Hill that everyone seems to get recommended now, and it's something that can -- theoretically -- outthink/outprocess/outcompute all the humans who have ever lived in less than a second. but who knows, maybe that's not actually that much processing power in the stellaris universe? also given that we can help the infinity machine by (seemingly) giving it the answer it's looking for in just a matter of years.
@@deeplerg7913 So, I am a hard sci-fi nerd. I read Orion's Arm. I am aware of the kinds of abilities we envision superintelligent AI to have.
My question was specifically about the statement that the AI would have "infinite processing power". *That* implies a lot about the way physics works in the stellaris universe. Information in physics takes up space and is made of energy. Because of this, there is a fundamental limit to how fast any type of computation can be.
The Bremermann limit. The theoretical limit to computation, if you focused 1kg of matter on pure speed of computation, counting all the various fluctuations or oscillations of all the quarks of all the particles in that kilogram.
A 1kg hunk of material, with so much energy in its components they've become plasma, that runs at approximately 1 x 10^50 hz.
The point at which, if you add more energy to the system to make it go faster, it becomes a black hole.
The speed of computation is also limited by the speed of causality, C. The actual implications and effects of manipulating C can be confusing, but it's easy enough to realize "speed limit of causality implies speed limit of oscillation (hertz of computing)".
The limit of 1 x 10^50hz per kilogram means that if you convert the entire Solar System (~2 x 10^30kg) into that pure max speed computronium, no room for any support structure, no room for even *basic computer memory, CPU cache equivalent*, you have a theoretical max speed of 2 x 10^80.
Also remember that since the max speed of a single kilogram is 1 x 10^50hz, none of the kilograms of the entire "solar system computer" are running faster than that, you just have 2 x 10^30 parallel cores. (in fact, the actual "single core speed" equivalent of the 1 kg mass of plasma computronium is unknown, since this value combines all the oscillations of all the different particles, thus it means the value is actually the equivalent to the sum of all the parallel computation in that kilogram.
But the claim in the video is *explicitly stated* to be "infinite processing power"...
Which is why I wanted clarification on where that claim came from. Because, if true, it implies a lot about how the physics of the Stellaris universe work.
I understand now that it's hyperbole.
Interesting take on the Contingency. Also at the risk of sounding ignorant, but is the 'Ring World'...a Dyson sphere or Planet ship?🤔
Mmm i would say neither, it's an artifical structure built in a ring, often around a star. The idea is that people could live on it - some cool stuff on wikipedia if you're interested :)
@@TheRedKing thanks, and I really am since it's a great setting in any futuristic sci-fi worldbuilding.
Because the contingency are intergalactic, I feel like they might be around to either stop the horizion needle or the galaxy wide end of the cycle.
Maybe, but if that's the case why don't they try and stop you doing those things
I could see the argument that they believe the development of AI (which is what triggers their spawn) allows for that sort of technological singularity you talked about which could result in an empire building something like the needle or getting so knowledgeable about the shroud that the whole multiverse is in danger. If I remember correctly from one of your giga structures videos using the needle can result in an empire ending the cycles for everyone, and that seems like a technological end point the contingency MAY have been made to try and stop.
They look alot like von Neumann probes
Lore of Who are the Contingency? - Stellaris Lore Momentum 100
What if you play as driven exterminators? You know, the robots?
What if?
@@TheRedKing Like, won't the Contingency like you then?
No, they dislike all organics and robots who don't self terminate
@@TheRedKing Oof, thanks for the info, m8.
Wait wait... can we get fleets to that system to destroy it?
Yes :)
cybrex beta? fun fact, you can have a star eater crack it and they wouldn't care. for that reason, in the in-game texts I believe the second admiral more, the one who says that during the destruction of cybrex alpha the cybrex didn't fire a shot
“It can house 30 billion “ so what’s that 30 ? 300 pops ?
Who knows!
I think they are a little bit like the reapers from mass effect.
Could the class 30 singularity refer to the Aetherophasic Engine?
Yeah could be! But why would the contingency, who wipe out all life anyway, be bothered about that? The Engine is a weird one, probably because it was added later in the game. I think i'll do something on it seperately :)
@@TheRedKing Because the engine theoretically has the potential to destroy the entire universe?
@@ryanstewart2289 Perhaps, but the tooltip for the AE says Galaxy not universe and there are many instances of this. Whereas the Contingency specifically make reference to the fact they're not from our Galaxy... maybe an oversight, maybe not.
@@TheRedKing That's fair, I haven't read the actual tool tip since the one time I made the thing...in the only game that I ever technically finished.
Will you do a video like this on the prethoryn swarm?
Probably at some point :) I have done some more narrative stuff on the swarm though, there is a playlist somewhere
You didn't mention that the cybrex didn't just disappear. They left the galaxy because they were bombarded with requests to take part in various galaxy matters and conflicts. They're not interested in taking part and because their homeworld is known, they had to go away. Leaving cybrex alpha free for the taking.
"They left the galaxy because they were bombarded with requests to take part in various galaxy matters and conflicts." Wild speculation considering they were genocidal
@@TheRedKing I’m talking about after defeating the contingency.
Citizens of the galaxy: Since the Contingency is no longer a threat, we feel that our role in the galactic community has been played out. Our home system is now too well known for us to keep a low profile, and we are being flooded by demands for us to take sides in various minor interstellar conflicts. After much deliberation, we have decided that the only solution is for us to permanently depart the galaxy and seek a new home. We sincerely hope that you learn from the tragic mistakes of our past and learn to resolve your differences through peaceful means. Farewell.
This isn’t a speculation, it’s literally their dialogue. They’re not genocidal. They’re genocidal turned protective. If you play as determined exterminator they will lecture you about the value of life
Oh ok, i misunderstood what you meant... I thought you were referring to them as the precursor not when they come back to help with the contingency
11:58 I just watched that video before this one
I gotta ask, how did you do that stuff with camera? Like, moving freely?
I imagine that's perfect for taking some epic screenshots
open console and type "gamepad" with an xbox controller connected :)
How do you get the report of the Contingency wars of the custodian?
You don't, it's a story telling device
@@TheRedKing oh, lol.
My bad. Been listening to your stuff a while but this stuff still trips me up from time to time. Not complaining, they are good. Just sometimes confuse me.
this sounds more like an another expansion dlc for stellaris 🤔🤔🤔 .,
in lore wise , the story feels more like the story of battle star galactica 2004., the endless cycle of organics create machine , machine turns against it creators ., without proper robot ethics the cycle repeats itself 🤔🤔🤔
i wonder if the class 30 singularity is cosmogenesis
I suspect not, as other the Contingency would have fired to "save" us
banger vid
Cheers buddy!!