Yamaha MT09 vs Honda CB650R | IS IT TIME TO UPGRADE?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- After my first impression and review of the 2022 Yamaha MT09 V3, I reflected the experience and compare it with my own 2020 Honda CB650R in this video where I share some preference, pros and cons of both bikes.
Both are naked sports bikes which is my current favourite category of motorcycles and I will share whether the latest MT09 is a worthy candidate to upgrade from my CB650R.
#MT09 #CB650R #Naked
0:00 - Biggest difference CB650R vs MT09
0:25 - Intro
0:50 - Price difference
1:30 - Ergonomics
2:15 - Switchgear
2:44 - Screen
3:26 - ENGINE!
6:04 - Electronic Aid
6:55 - Gearshifts
7:14 - Suspension & Ride
10:08 - Looks & Design
11:49 - Brakes
12:57 - Sound
13:51 - Verdict - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Very detailed onboard comparison brother! All info given like textbook inside the head 💯💯
Thank you brother!! Ride safe and Selamat berpuasa
@@RUBBERNMETAL ride safe and thank you brother! 🙏🏻💪🏻🔥 meet soon
Excelent video, TKS. This is the kind of information that really helps whos watching. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comment buddy! Ride safe!
As usual an excellent video ! I'm glad i found your channel .
I also ride a red CB650R 🍻
Thanks for the comment!! Ride safe!
Guys, don't spent time choosing. I had mt07 for 1 year and was never happy with it. Even on day one. Now I bought cb650r and I am more than satisfied. It is better in each and every aspect - supension, chassis, 4cylinder, (quickshifter). It is more comfortable, powerful, better quility build and even consume less gasoline (haha). The one only thing that was better at mt07 is external temperature sensor. So it is really no brainer - cb650r.
Wow glad you thought so man. I have yet tried the MT07 and always wondered if it’s better. MOTOBOB recently had a video showing us pros and cons and he ended up picking the MT07. That got me wondering.
Cb650 is better i also feel the same
I would say mt-07 sounds good too with aftermarket
everyone will have their own opinion, theres alot of factors involved when it comes to many aspects of motorcycling, Ive had the mt07 naked the 2021 model, mt09 2nd gen, cb650r, and now the mt09sp 2023. The mt09sp is far superior then this cb650r in every way possible, high build quality, x axis imu, whole host of rider aids, cruise controll, top quality premium suspension and its getting slightly more fuel economy then the cb650r i had even though it has much much more power and torque, the mt09sp also feels like a true race naked bike unlike the honda, the honda just felt very uncomfortable and small for me, and also too bulky, I’m 5ft 11 btw and weigh about 65kg. Ive tried many bikes over the years and in conclusion the MT09sp 2021 and above are perfect for road performance.
@@RUBBERNMETALThe MT-07 is a vibration fest and underpowered as hell.
I’m rinding the V2 MT09, but I love the design, corner stability and front end feel of the CB650R. Thanks for the comparison.
I know exactly how you feel! The CB650R with a bit more oomph would be nice.
@@RUBBERNMETAL If I was going to upgrade from my CB650r, it would be to the CB1000r. Everything I like about the 650, but way more power! The only problem is, I would probably pay lots in speeding tickets. ; - )
Beautiful review! I ride an MT07, my dream bike has been the MT09 for a long time. Just recently heard of the cb650r. I love the looks. I love the MT07 but it really feels like a hooligan bike, at low speeds it is very twitchy always asking you to rev and ride it harder. Fun for ocasions but i want something i can ride smoother at low speeds for commute but still have good power for highway and some long day rides. So im undecided between this and mt09 lol
Nice video mate, respect your work
Thanks buddy glad you enjoyed it!
I agree with your assessment. In fact, the more reviews you do, the more I realize I made the right choice purchasing my cb650r.
Thanks for the comment!! Yea it’s an awesome bike isn’t it 😎
Great comparison.
The Honda CB650R is a stunning looking motorbike and the sound of the 4 cylinders and looks of the exhaust.
Very good review. Me to still leaning towards CB650R. Quickshifters will be available on the CB 2024 model. Cant wait for your review!
Awesome! Great to hear that yes the quickshifter and shifting will change on the 2024 model. That’ll be interesting to ride.
Good video, but maybe it would be more righteous to compare CB650R with MT-07 XD. I would appeciate a better quallity video and audio. your videos are really good for CB650R owners around the world. Cheers from Spain.
Hola! Thanks for your comment yea I’m hoping it’s valuable to CB650R owners or prospect buyers. Sure I’m trying to get better equipment and setup!!
So good review. Nice job.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it :)
Nice video bro! I like it!
Thanks bro glad you enjoyed it!
Nice video. Good information. How about in your next videos.. MT 07 versus CB650 R
Thanks buddy. I am still trying to get a hold of an MT07 to ride. Will definitely be a better comparison.
Although I do own a 2024 (3d gen) MT09, I agree with your observations 100% solved my wobbling issues with an Hyperpro RSC. I still think the CB is more stable and planted. I'm currently somewhat interested in the new E Clutch CB....
Change the brake lines on our bike to braided lines (with a line to each caliper) and upgrade the pads and it changes the brake feel completely! I’ve swapped out my handlebars, risers, grips, levers, brake lines, mirrors, exhaust, and a few other components and it’s completely changed the bike into a monster!
That is a great idea and always in planning for me. What pads and lines did you get specifically? I’m also thinking of getting drag bars on mine. Did you change the master cylinder too?
@@RUBBERNMETAL I used Core Moto CBR600RR 2013-2021 braided lines (they fit, that’s what I’m rocking!) and add some length to them (I don’t remember how much I added exactly, I messaged them the stock length and used a string to run down my bars to calculate the needed length). As far as pads, run the Sintered Pads! I didn’t change the master cylinder or calipers, the setup (non-abs) seems to do enough I can lock up the tires with no issue and slide the bike if I want, while giving me enough gradual bite to slow down quick enough to control the bike. No longer spongy or soft feeling. For handlebars, I used the Pro Taper universal oversized risers (had to trim the threads on the bottom about 1/4” off to allow it to clear) and Pro Taper Evo bars (and they can be trimmed down in width), with Rizoma Sport grips and CRG Lane Splitter bar end mirrors (no more Honda balance weights, but no major vibration issues, not even in mirrors due to dirt bike style handlebars)
I wish I could hear you better but love your videos you cover good and bad thank you
Thanks for the support. Unfortunately that’s the best mic I have for vlogging for now.
It doest help I'm watching st low volume so my gf doest hear me doing homework on another motorcycle lol cheers and again thank you🙏
Pretty well laid out video.. my next door neighbour has a MT09. We go riding together and the MT09 feels like it belongs on the liter bike class. I can not keep up with him at all...
But then again he rides like an absolute unit, so there is that..
Didn't think the two were comparable... but the price tag has an argument for it...
Thanks for the comment man! Yea the acceleration is just impressive can’t believe it’s just a 950cc naked bike. I feel you on not being able to keep up with some people. I have friends on 250s that I feel shouldn’t get a bigger bike from the way they ride hahha
Hi bro, saw that there’s one device on the left side of your handle. Is that a dashcam? If it’s not, do you know any brand that sell good dashcam for motorcycle?
Hey bro that’s the display for my action camera. It’s not a dash cam. I’d say what makes a good dash cam is just sticking a 360 camera at the front while you’re riding.
Well done!
Thank you!!
Hello sir. I might be upgrading my bike soon. Really cramped up with the choices among the middle weight bikes. Especially in the department of spare parts availability, bike reliability and seat heights though. I'm 165cm, do you think I can place my foot flat on the ground sir(for cb650 r or cbr650r ? )
Hello sir. All depends on your inseam but generally I don’t think you’d have a problem with foot placement but not sure about flat footing. I’m 173cm talk and I can flatfoot with a bit of bend on the knees.
@@RUBBERNMETAL thank you so much for replying. My inseam is 31 inch sir
Good video. Thanks for sharing. And yes ... I would not have exchanged my CB for an MT09 either :)
Yessss that love for the CB is strong I agree.
Good info comparison. A more close comparison would have been against the mt07
Yea that’s right I agree MT07 is a closer comparison. But I’ve always looked at the MT09 as something I wanna move up to (once they sorted out the design).
Greetings from 🇬🇧 came for your compare vids
Hello there! Hope you enjoy the videos.
Muito bom. Videos legais demais😄
Nice video 👍
Thanks bro!
Interesting comparison should be MT07 v CB 650R.
I have the cb650r I find the brakes are sharp but no feel. The front forks dive too much & rear suspension jumps when it hits a pothole. I have changed the OEM Dunlop for Michelin R6 tyres & handles much better in the wet. For its 650cc it is good value & 4 into 1 pipes are classic Honda.
I agree but I’m still trying to get a hold of an MT07 to compare with. I agree with you on the Cb650R’s brakes. I had a Ducati monster in the stable and riding it back to back I could definitely feel the monster’s brakes even tho it’s 7 years old is much better. my next upgrade will definitely be pads, brake line and possibly a hel master cylinder. Have you upgraded your brakes?
@@RUBBERNMETAL not done the brake pads yet- may try sintered ones. But I will upgrade suspension to Ohlins or Nitron.
Have put on Honda heated handle bar grips- fit in neatly & will be great in winter
@@vijayragoonanan6493 nice!! I’d love to get better suspension but that’s for later. Just spent a lot of money on an exhaust.
I had my cb650r also same as yours even the color.. i already change the exhaust to ixil brand and it really sounds good.. my concern is i am planning to sell my cb650r to buy a yamaha mt09.. i love my cb its already 26k odometer and i really love riding it. I just want to change my riding and power of my bike so i am thingking for mt09.. do you think is it worthit if im gonna change my bike to mt?
So did u changed it?
@@bryanh5103yes i did changed it to mt09 sp.. i love the power.. totally different❤
Having ridden both, which is more suitable to a shorter person?
Thank you!
No problem!!
Hello friend great video ,please help me I won't to buy a bike and I have the same problem to choose mt09 or cb650r ,what do you suggest to me ..?
Hi there thanks for your comment!! It depends what your riding is like and what you use it for. I personally prefer the CB650R design over the Mt09 if I have to pick again. But if that doesn’t matter to and you want wheelies and more fun mt09 is the bike.
@@RUBBERNMETAL I won't something for every day to go in my work and free rides in my frre time ,I'm normal type ,I think honda is better for me and economy and very fast for 95hp ,I know mt is faster but 7 liter in 100kilometer for me is to much ,I have car and burning the same .,thanks again and enjoy your new bike.
@@andreast4422solutamente no, in accelerazione è meglio mt09 in velocità massima è meglio cb650r senza ombra di dubbio (226 km/h con il gps vs 215 km/h della mt 09)…io sono collaudatore Yamaha, ma sentir dire che la mt09 è più veloce no, bisogna saperne di moto invece di scrivere cose inesatte, parliamo di un motore 3 cilindri contro un 4 cilindri, uno ha accelerazioni migliori ma il 4 cilindri è molto più potente negli alti
@@alessioarena3971 amico mio, grazie mille per aver risposto, sì a settembre ho ottenuto la cb650r nuovo e ora ho ancora 730 km fino a 1000 km andare sciolto per posare, sono stato pazzo con lui, è un piccolo diavolo che dopo 8000 si trasforma fuori dal potere, sì quando vado su un percorso con 6 ° e fino a 5000 giri a 120 km / h gli spettacoli stretti 4ltr / 100 , se vai sciolto non brucia nulla e quando ne hai bisogno, ha la sua forza. . drn, non ho sbagliato a ottenere il cb troppo mt09 ed è garanzia honda
Hey man, If you didn't own a CB and had the money to buy whichever you want. Which would you buy? The MT or CB?
Great question. An MT09 v2 was similarly priced where I live when I bought my CB. To be honest I’d still get the CB because the design of the MT09 was far from my liking personally being the biggest reason, other than that I had a wonderful time owning a cb500r as it was simple and cheap and missed that part of ownership (slightly biased towards Honda in general because of it).
Then again if I had an MT09 I’d be probably be saying the Hondas are boring and smiling silly while the front wheel is in the air haha.
My 650R definitely feels a LOT more planted than the MT-07 I trained on, at any speed. Haven't been on the MT-09 yet though
That’s great to hear. The CB is quite a bit heavier tho to be fair but then again it’s less playful than the MT. You should try the mt09 when you have a chance to. The engine is a masterpiece.
@@RUBBERNMETAL MT09 engine is deffo a masterpiece, but the general quality of finish is pretty damn bad on the MT09, even cheaper plastics that the CB650R(this isn't particular good either). The suspension is more capable on the CB650r. Both are great bikes.
I don't know why you got that wobble. I don't have that problem with my 2021 MT-09. Perhaps the bike you rode had suspension problems? The CB650 isn't even in the same league but for the price. Trading is particular to each one's situation/taste. But, buying new, the MT-09 is a no brainner deal, just best bag for the buck. I test rode the street triple and it just lacks the MT-09 torq and fun factor that comes with it. My 2 cents.
Yea you could have a point there maybe the wobble is particular to the bike I rode. I made a comparison to the CB cos it’s a bike I own and whether it’s a worthy upgrade from the CB (tbh that MT09 engine is a masterpiece). Also the fact that I came so close to buying the previous gen MT09 cos the price was similar to the CB650 but on looks alone I decided to go for the CB. Same case for the street triple I just kept looking at it and couldn’t accept the bug eye haha.
But yea mt09 in general is great value. In malaysia the kawasaki z900 is the best bang for buck for now since the mt09 got quite a bit more expensive.
@@RUBBERNMETAL there are so many great bikes that it's hard to decide which one is the best for us. That lead me to have 3 bikes in my garage, I just can't let a great bike go... I was looking at the cb1000r when I bought the new MT-09. In the end I didn't want all the cb power and also the mt light weight was a big factor. I am really happy with the purchase and just installed a dominator exhaust that makes it sound great.
There is a proper tuck on an Mt09 to prevent or lessen the wobbling. I don't feel any wobbling at 200 plus km/h
As a owner of mt09 2021 coming from cb500x 2019 which was stable no matter what you do to the bike, mt09 was painfully unstable at first, but that was only at first and beginning..Later on how I progress and mature with the bike, bike holds the line in curves like crazy, does exactly what you wanted to do, it's flickable, sharp and precise at any speeds. Front end feel was mayor concern for me also, didn't want to overtake cars with too much throttle and in mid turn pull a power wheelie and maybe crash because of that. Yamaha electronics do exactly that, it keeps you safe and planted with slide control, tcs and lift control. My was set on 1 from 3 for all of electronics setup which is least intervention. Tried ride with everything turn off in M or manual mode and bike becomes hulk on steroids. You really want electronics to do it's job if you wanna ride safe and fast. If you wanna talk with God's turn everything Off and enjoy the the ride😁
Wow thanks for sharing I guess you’re right after getting accustomed to the bike it will probably ride better and I agree the electronics do not get in the way of the riding experience as i didn’t feel it working in the background.
I also had a CBR500R similar to your old X, felt heavy and planted haha definitely could handle twice the power it had.
@@RUBBERNMETAL You really need to push the limits of the bike to engage electronics. You ride very very fast without engagement. SaviozSp has great videos trashing his mt09 like maniac, there you can see how bike electronics works
@@Geo_Okami I’m sure there’s people who can really agitate the electronics. I’m not that rider not even close to be I thjnk.
The CB650R will look better if it had the dash of the CB1000R. Not a fan of LCD dash that looks out of date compared to other bikes like Z650, Triump Trident 660.
That is true I agree other bikes have colour screens by now even on non high end models. maybe it will follow through soon.
Does the cb650r have warm handle bars function ??
It is an optional extra. I have it on mine and they do the job perfect.
Thanks for the response to the enquiry!
tq info
It's funny you said the MT-09 has a bad boy look. There's a TH-camr called Bad Boy who rides an mt09 like a maniac.
If you really want to see what an mt09 can do search him out.
Thanks for the vid though I've been debating the same upgrade myself. The sound of the triple plus the torque is what sells me. It's the looks that hold me back. The CB is all elegance.
Hey buddy. So which one did you get? Now the xsr900 is out, it’s like they meet in the middle. Yea I saw the bad boy channel and omg what a maniac like you said.
I love my cb650r.
Me too man! Me too!!
I have a 2023 MT09 and I don’t see any wobble at high speeds
That’s great. Hope it only happens on the test bike. Cos it’s not a good feel.
The CP3 engine is the more fun engine that makes daily commute way more fun and engaging, but unfortunately for Yamaha, it is wrapped in a cheaper feeling and looking bike that for me does not make the engine justice. Looks are subjecjective, but super important. If we could take the cp3 and put it inside of the cb650..that would be the perfect bike. Immagine a honda made inline triple. As long as Yamahas material quality and component quality stays the way it has been for a while now, it will be a lower tier product. Rusting swingarms, cheap plastics, cheaper suspension, paint technology is shit, the only thing they know how to make well is the engine. Too bad, hope they work on that and they start operating on full potential.
The new 2022 XSR900 is coming.
That’s definitely how it felt like to me. That CP3 engine is a masterpiece even after riding Ducatis and other more expensive bikes. Wouldn’t be Honda to make an engine so playful tho. Honda seems to be more ‘mature’ and would probably tune it to be more linear if they ever did a similar engine. And yes Honda would do it properly.
I guess other quality issues do not show up in the spec sheet so it’s less of a concern and this bike will sell well anyways.
Let’s hope Honda comes out with something to compete with.
Oh yes the 2022 XSR900…. Sadly the Yamaha dealer here doesn’t see the potential of that bike where I live so they won’t be bringing them in.
@@RUBBERNMETAL fingers crossed! I keep on dreaming what if Hondas quality and dedign were to creat something for performance and fun, not economical and boring..I doubt we will see that anytime soon.
@@kevincrockett5155 it's so ugly IMO... Too bad cause I had high hopes
thanks
No problem!
Thank you for explination . Now i know witch bike to buy after i sell my kidney :)))
I know how you feel man. But whilst you’re riding you’ll feel that kidney is worth it.
Pls MT09 vs Z900
Ooofff need to get a hold of a z900 somehow. That’ll be interesting.
That metal box with a hole in it 😂
😂😂 it does look like that. Reminds me of that bottom feeder fish.
I think the cb is to small for me , i have 1.95 m :(
Yea probably. You would be comfortable on a touring bike I think.
You're out of your bind if you take a cb650 over an MT09 😂
Design matters to me a lot and the CB650R personally looks way better hence it’s still the CB650R for me. But… if the XSR900 was available here… that would be a different story.
The real upgrade is a z900 , mt09 is a bored bike
Isn’t the MT09 and Z900 in the same class tho?
@@RUBBERNMETAL the same cilinder capacity but not the same power ratio, kawa is better so far
@@Jeandeluka power wise yes but mt09 is way lighter and that counts for a lot especially in cornering ability. Anywho can’t say which is better I have yet to test the z900 and I really like the rs variant.
@@RUBBERNMETAL good my friend every bike is a different world, good day, good rides.