How about all the Wolfheart albums especially "Tyhjyys", "Totenritual" by Belphegor, "Songs form the North" (I and III) by Swallow The Sun and maybe "Faith Divide Us Death Unite Us" by Paradise Lost? Some of the Stream Of Passion and Ahab albums sound really good too. "Arcane Rain Fell" by Draconian sounds good depending on how I'm listening to it. And yeah Heartwork sounds great and is one of the best metal sounds there are. Do you know there is a supposed remaster? It's horrible.
Bill Steer is a legend. What a guitarist. After all the heavy stuff he did, he formed a band called Firebird. This was Blues Rock at its finest. The guys guitar work and solos were immense. Sadly now defunct. Luckily I got to see them a few times back in the day. All Hail the mighty Steer!
Listened on headphones w/o watching. The familiar riffs started playing and I thought it was the actual record. Clicked back to the video to see if it was an A/B type test, saw it was you playing. My jaw fell on the floor. Very very nicely done!
Hi! Cool video. Thought you might get a kick out of this. I have Bill Steer's block letter 5150 that Andy Sneap bought off him back in the day. According to Andy, it's the amp Bill used to record Heartwork. It's a bit beat up but still sounds great. Love your videos. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
I must say that I found your perspective fascinating and I'm also very happy that this was recommended by TH-cam. I'd like to address the points you made including your own popularity. First of all the Carcass content was fantastic, but the direction your thoughts took were more interesting. When it comes to TH-cam and musical popularity there seems to be a small click who are doing fine and growing and that same click somewhat define the 'scene'. I'm talking about Ola Englund, Rob Chapman, Rob Scallon, Jared Dines, Misha Mansoor, Ryan Bruce etc. as the main influencers for up and coming musicians and especially guitarists. As you said the old-guard is fading out and who is there to replace them. For my personal taste there are many 'technical' bands nowadays demonstrating incredible proficiency and technique however such styles eventually plateau and what I'm noticing is a return to simplicity and focus on actually writing good music and not just a noodle fest. The bedroom guitarists of years ago who are now the technical players we see today are maturing and I believe are starting to examine what they do and become more tasteful with their writing as opposed to feeling the urge to show what they can do. As for small live venues they have steadily declined and been disappearing for years, unfortunately. The modern taste is all about immediate and short gratification rather then digesting an album fully, slowly, repeatedly, looking for undiscovered nuance each time. Easy, quick access to be thrown away and forgotten is the style of today, for all art, in my opinion. It's a great shame. Film, music, gaming, books. Nothing is cherished, nothing is examined. One persons years of hard work is anothers toilet roll, and I believe it is extremely damaging for the human condition for us to be this way. Attention, memory, appreciation all in severe decline. When it comes to playing live and honing your craft as you stated, that concept is dead. Bedroom producing to a high standard is easier than ever and VST amps are getting closer and closer to the real thing. I'd also add that the widespread death of community in towns and villages with the me, me, me mentality adds extra challenges for musicians who would like to practice in real scenarios. Musicians are not supported, noise is not tolerated at any level. So it forces beginners to sit there, headphones on, isolated, which isn't ideal. I very much enjoyed this whole video, enough to comment and subscribe.
Thanks man. I think the main issue with my channel is older viewers who appreciate my channel do not share, tweet, comment etc. Kids are early adopters to social media and they share like crazy. That is why people should not complain that Jake Paul, Makeup Tutorials and vapid content is being pushed by TH-cam. The algorithm is only reacting to the deluge of likes and comments/interactions from young fans. If we want social media to get a little more high brow, middle aged people need to stop getting offended when creators ask to share, like and comment. People appreciate my channel but won't share because they mock people who use social media. People like Jared Dines and Stevie T blow up for two reasons. 1 they can play like motherfuckers. 2: They are funny and that cater to young fans who share their content like crazy = growth. I'm getting into the habit of liking content I appreciate by default. That then pushes the video to get recommended by TH-cam. So I'm REALLY up against it because old schoolers tend to mock social media so I'm kinda screwed. Johan Segeborn has 50k subs. That is CRIMINAL!!! He should have over a million as it's the best guitar channel on TH-cam, but again nobody is sharing because his demographic are older dudes into classic rock. And sharing isn't the manly thing to do apparently.
As a content creator myself, I can offer my thoughts. If your goal is to grow as a creator I think you could consider a few different things. Given the level of competition and choice out there it's not an easy market. To me, your content and ideas are great and can definitely appeal to a wider audience. The limitation in my honest opinion is the presentation. Your delivery is raw and to the point as well as thoughtful (which I like) but some viewers might find the environment a bit cluttered. A consideration could be simplification or reorganizing your setup or a green screen. Your camera quality is good but could be great with a DSLR to offer that modern crispness viewers can enjoy. Sound is fine, a little roomy. Sometimes you could do sections with on screen presentations and your voice over using a condenser mic in a more descriptive, documentary style eg. when you were talking about the specific equipment, potentially source images, screenshots etc. NOW, I also have a second opinion to everything I just said. You can tell me I'm talking rubbish, also I don't know your specific desires and motivation here. The algorithm rewards regular content and your history is a tad irregular. Next to that, the algorithm is genius in a way, it manages to pigeon hole creators to a very specific corner of 'their' audience and it's incredibly difficult to get out of that, if at all even AFTER making multiple and financially costly adjustments. But hey, just my thoughts, I could be talking rubbish, I really don't want to sound like a nob.
Thanks man. I do need help. My issue is I concentrate and obsess more over the capture process and research, but then my presentation is an afterthought. I hate the twee intro music, coffee shop vibe of most TH-cam channels. The led backlighting and pastels etc but I have to bite the bullet and get more slick. My thumbnails need to be addressed too.
Loved your coverage on some of the history surrounding Carcass along with the side story-esque ramblings. As a 16 year old metalhead into long out-of-print bands and records, I can appreciate the effort you put into your channel. Please continue doing these re-creation style videos, and don't shy away from expressing your opinions (I agree, the post-Heartwork swarm of melodeath copies was nauseating), they're entertaining. Cheers from Texas!
Man, I just found your channel and is....greatly underrated! Amazing work and talent. Such interesting information and thoughts that you share. I highly appreciate and recommend this channel. Keep it up!
Dude! You are my new best friend!!! Love the video, the perspective, the obsessing for metal and the craft of making good metal! Keep up the good work!
It was a $300,000 professional Columbia Records recording done by Colin Richardson. which goes along way. It is still the best sounding death metal album of all-time
Oh man, how I love this album, I was 15 when I heard it for the first time back in 1996 thanks to a classmate that lend me a copy on tape, never heard anything like that before. Great video man, that sounds very spot on!
Same. Still listening to the original release from 1993 from time to time. Absolutely timeless masterpiece, made me fall in love with brillantly executed melodic deathmetal heaviness.
Thanks for covering this era of Carcass. This album was very influential for me in my own guitar playing. Napalm Death Utopia Banished was another album from around that time, place and movement that greatly influenced my own guitar playing.
Just started following you and couldn't agree more with your aspect of the recording process. I recently had a failed attempt at a band with a bunch of guys that all wanted to do everything DIY style. Which I have been recording DIY for years and can do it, but they just didn't get the idea of going into a room playing through all the songs to get the drums (no click track) and a starter track of all the other instruments. Then record the guitars a few more times using different amps, rooms, mics, guitars, etc until we found the tone that worked, or a blend of tones that worked the best. Then just punch in the screw-ups and call it a day. The tone searching was the longest part of the studio time. To find the sounds that complimented the band and the tracks. I am lucky that I recorded in a beautiful studio the old school way back in the late 90's. I tried to convince my guys (all born in the 90's) that we should be able to play through this stuff flawlessly as a band before recording. The singer and guitarist kept blaming the drummer for changing tempo and the guitarist said he couldn't play to the drums if they weren't perfect. Which makes no sense since we played live all the time, he just couldn't accept that a different level of accuracy is needed in the studio. You can't hide behind a noisy venue and distortion cranked to a thousand. Plus, when you record live drums without a click, you get a more organic song. No song is meant to be perfectly 86 or 120 BPM all the way through. You lose a ton of dynamics and emotion when you can't speed up or slow down 2-3BPM during different parts of a song. I also swear by using live amps, no re-amping. My playing, my voice is influenced by my interaction with my amp. Anyways, Cheers man! Really dig your perspective!
If I’m not mistaken Bill is who recorded almost all of not all of the guitar parts for Heartwork because Ammott had some issues traveling but I could be wrong it’s been a while
Great video man. Absolutely agree with the rehearsal/touring part. Playing live everyday gives massive confidence and experience as player. You learn what works and what not in music.
Cool stories about the gear man, great video..and great channel. They advice was awesome as well, you’re right about music and musicians today....we gotta take it back
Extremely cool video🤘🏻Keep up the good work! I have been a subscriber for quite a while and you never disappoint! I also liked and shared this video ;)
Once upon a time, before metal even existed, the entire idea of an "Album" was that it was a collection of songs that the musician(s) was(were) already known for playing.
It was about time someone spent this long and was this thorough dissecting the Heartwork tone. Great job, very interesting and informative, and a fitting tribute to the sheer amount of time and effort that Mr Steer and the Carcass guys put into getting it down. Still one of the most brutally affecting, musically satisfying, and tonally awesome albums I have ever been fortunate enough to hear.
Great video! I appreciate your approach to researching and discovering how these influential sounds were achieved. I’ve viewed a number of your videos but this one really got to an important level of consideration: Commitment. It’s what speaks through the tone, the notes, the production...it’s the richness of the experience of creating. Again, love the video, keep up the great work you are doing!
As a Carcass fan, and just a fan of metal in general, I've had a hard time putting my finger on why my interest in the genre has been waning over the years. You've done a great job of articulating why I and so many others still listen to those evergreen albums even though countless other acts have built upon those albums' foundation with improved musicianship and production quality since then. When a band takes their bedroom demos out on the road and plays them dozens or hundreds of times in front of live audiences before committing them to tape, there is something visceral about that experience. To that point, although modern musicians have access to nearly everything they need in their DAW to create facsimiles of nearly any sound, at the end of the day they are putting in (very little comparative) effort to replicate a sound another band pushed boundaries to create from scratch decades earlier.
This is one of the reasons I've taken to modding and\or making most of my gear. That moment when you hit something that actually works is the best feeling!
Yep. I tweak most things but like to keep the signal simple. Ask any amp tech what the most popular mod on a Marshall is and he will tell you "to get rid of all previous mods and make it stock".
waiting for this so loong!!! Is impossible to recreate de exact guitar tone from Heartwork, can be close but no exact. There's a lot of facts as you mentioned on the video. Congratulations, love your channel.
Yep. People can get ballpark but they tend to forget their tone grates after a few mins. With Heartwork the tone is moorish and makes you want to hear the whole album. It gives you an ear worm. Modern attempts sound good initially then grate on your ear.
I acquired Heartwork when living in Michigan's U.P. "Escanaba" in early 94 after getting out of the Service-Talk about just a handfull of people even knew who "Carcass" was then. Great Video! I am glad I stumbled across this.
You absolutely need to cover Symphonies Of Sickness. It's far more challenging to the ear and I feel it showcases their talents better than anything else.
I completely agree dude. I used to obsess with the Slayer guitar sounds & panning them left & right (especially on Hell Awaits) & hearing odd screams & shouts from Jeff & Kerry bleeding through the mics as they were playing. Absolutely golden.
Bill Steer is so underrated as a guitarist, he’s been my influence since the 90’s, Heartwork is awesome but when they released Surgical Steel, that is their pinnacle album.
My favorite one is Necroticism.Heartwork comes second and then Surgical Steel.They are all awesome.But I'm old.I've got that excuse.Both Necroticism and Heartwork are milestones in the Death Scene.No one was doing that.The real difference from those days is the bands were all different.They where unique.Copycats didn't make it.Surgical Steel is the missing link between Necroticism and Heartwork and the sound is better because it was recorded today, although that is discussable(I prefer Necroticism and Heartwork)
One of these days, I'm making a frankencab just like the one they used. That album's guitar tone has stuck with me for the last 26 years, so damn perfect and powerful.
In Tom Warrior's book he talks about a roadie buying and giving him an Ibanez Iceman, which he said looked cool as hell but wouldn't stay in tune. Sounds incredible though. Can't help thinking metal bands used to have their own sound because they couldn't afford a Line 6 stack and a seven string Ibanez or whatever the kidz are using these days.
Yes. Was really hoping you'd do this album. Looking forward to Necroticism next. Great work as always. Also, not that i needed it, this validates my love for the G12t-75
I love the tone on the Heartwork album. My go-to cab is a 4x12 with G12T-75s. Love them. I've been experimenting with the Hot 100s, recently. They sound nice too. Both are great for high gain with rapid and intricate picking.
I'm definitely not a good guitar player, nor do I know anything about recording. But I recently had the honor of listening to some old JAMES FREAKING TAYLOR album where it was a few dudes in a room with a microphone They literally pressed "record" and went for it. The recording captured all the banter in between the songs and everything. It was just dudes with guitars in a room - no tricks, no overdubs, nothing. And it was MAGIC.
finished watching, fantastic video as well Owen, really giving me some motivation for my band as im having a bit of a hard time with motivation atm, im sick of metal being so stale. I definitely think its all about finding great musicians who are passionate and not just good, gigging the shit out your songs, using real room sounds etc.
A good example of older recordings how they had impacts from other instruments is one song of Deftones. In the intro of the song, the guitar's loudness triggers the wires of the snare bottom! For me always legendary to listen that moment, especially over headphones!
Can’t wait for the My Dying Bride tone. My fav album was Like Gods of the Sun (Peavey 5150, Marshall 1960, EMG 81?) Pretty sure Trinity was Marshall Valvestates. Thanks for the Carcass rundown! BTW, who was the trusted source that everything was a 5150? I’m not so sure I believe that one. Heartwork was textures/layers of the amps mentioned but maybe mainly the 5150. Thanks again!
Listening again the intro, the original and other covers ... that 1:25 vibrato for me brings the best feeling for this kinda stuff, even better than the original that was like the covers on the "confort zone" so again, I like the way you put your own style even wanting to recreate as close as possible on the gear side... thanks.
Hüsker Dü basically played all of the songs that would end up on Zen Arcade live before they went in the studio to record it, and that record is quintessential in American Hardcore Punk history
I could teach you, but you'd probably get the hang of things after watching a few episodes of Auf Wiedersehen Pet th-cam.com/video/3tklaMNH7IA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the vid!!! Hope you make some more CARCASS videos as stated. NECROTISISM and SYMPHONIES OF SICKNESS tone videos would be awesome. SYMPHONIES had a pretty nasty and raw tone and NECROTISISM is the album where the band definitely grew as musicians and songwriters. Colin Richardson definitely played a huge roll on NECROTISISM. Taking the time with the band to get the songs arranged, played, setup and sounding fantastic. And it sounds HUGE in my opinion. And REAL!!!! No modern digital surgery like most of today's albums. Analog at it's finest.
Great info on Carcass's work from the album Heartwork. I'm big fan of them.The last c.d. that i found was a double disk of their 2014 release "Surgical Remission/ Surplus Steel" for $9.99 at Best Buy. It was the last copy, so yeah I had to get that bad boy..lol I'm looking forword to the other parts of the Carcass era. Keep up the great work. Metal Horns Up \m/
Great video on one of the most legendary tones in metal! Incidentally just weeks ago I embarked on trying to get a tone very close to it for an upcoming recording, and today I see this video crop up...thanks for crushing my hopes! LOL. Seriously though, I think you're spot on. Back in those days things were done in a more organic way for sure. If I may, I want to suggest another reason for us getting 'lazy' nowadays and relying on 'pre-packaged' digital sounds: Internet piracy has made it just not worth it to do it the old school way. From your description, Carcass went through an obsessive, monumental effort to record an album they would be happy with. Do that nowadays, and what do you get? You maybe sell half a dozen CDs at an album launch, and a week after that your album has already been uploaded to 30 illegal download websites, after which no one needs to buy your album anymore. They just steal the fruits of all your massive efforts. It pains me to say, but after already having gone through that, it seriously starts to change your thinking into a 'gonna do it with the least effort next time round' kind of mindset, cos it's just not worth it. Or maybe it is. But it certainly creates a lot of conflict in my mind Anyway, thanks for giving me serious food for thought here. Keep the great videos coming!
Thanks man. If you take anything away from my channel, just make sure you don't do it alone. I wasted 20 years doing the DIY thing. Don't be put off by how hard it is. If you concentrate on the song writing and band rehearsals rather than recording it will be a lot easier to capture greatness when you are ready to record.
Great video man we have toured our album too also done demos over years the album is halfway finished but I totally get ya something bigger has come out of each song so I'm with you on that😀keep up the good work & looking forward to seeing more videos from ya dude🤘
Thanks for posting. And thank you to the late great John Peel for introducing me to Heartwork - one of those albums I prefer to enjoy uninterrupted, and cranked, from start to finish. Would love to hear all your choices of finest albums...
John peel has a TH-cam channel that has so much gold... Old strange music has some gems among the coal. Funnily enough I bought his book on 4 track recording when I was half my age.
Haha love the final thoughts, true old school thinking. Couldn't agree more but I guess you sort of have to have grown up and lived through that era of bands and sound progression to appreciate the nuances of passionate production. Keep it up!
plus, i'd be extremely grateful for tips on achieving the 'symphonies of sickness' tone, as its probably my favourite sounding guitar tone (along with warmaster by bolt thrower :D)
I was trying to learn to play it, but I found that there wasn't much explanation on TH-cam on how to play it. And the tabs didn't sound right. So thanks a lot! Not that you've done a great job, I'll get down to learning this masterpiece !
This Video is awesome, just wanted to say thank you, Ive got old interviews with Bill steer a lot of what you've revealed is actually accurate, I really want to second what thecomplaining gamer said true metal is on the rise and a lot of guitar aerobics will diminish we get some more awesome bands like Carcass again, only criticism that I would of liked , would have been amp settings , also Bill used a very open pick grip and rested his second finger on his first digit and this impacted on tone, he had a heavier attack on chords but more finesse on the slower parts and leads, I've got a tonne of articles from Japan and Europe interview with the band, Parr street studios staff have commented in forums and the information they share is exhausting, congrats on a great channel hope you subscription only grows
This is great! I've read this article before, but its MUCH better to hear it from you playing it :D Btw I would love to get an explanation of Arch Enemy's War Eternal and beyond tones. For some reason, there's nothing on Bias Fx Tonecloud. All these thousands of users and no Arch Enemy tone, what?
Hey man, loved this video, love Carcass and totally love checking out the channel. After you discussed how Carcass played Heartwork live before hitting the studio and the amount of time they rehearsed that got me thinking about bands that go into a studio and write almost the entire album there. Can you discuss some bands that have done this? I’ve heard some albums that were written in the studio as recording is going and these albums sound great too. Cheers man.
I think my fav example is a failed obsession by The Who/Townsend called Lifehouse. Pete went so deep into the writing and production which they rented a theater for months and invited the public! Pete's vision was hampered by the mangment at the time and he toiled so hard he had a nervous breakdown. But from that concept it bred amazing songs and footage that helped the Who long term.
Good to know. It's a bitter sweet thing for them because their fanbase kinda balked at how pretty it sounded but they picked up so many new fans it evened out.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE That's true. Heartwork was bittersweet experience for them and even now I find it strange... I don't get it, there was so much experimental stuff going on in the early 90's like the album Spheres from Pestilence and Soulless from Grave. All these albums were panned by fans back in the day and now they are lauded as masterpieces.
@@WarriorOfModernDeath I loved Spheres. It was my introduction them so I wasn't put off by thier change of style. When you change your music too much it almost never does your band good with sales/popularity.
Agree with other posters that this is the best sounding metal album I've ever heard. 90% of it is Mr. Bill Steer and his magic fingers. He could make anything sound fantastic. Agree with Owen, the gigging, hard work and obsession is the key.
Your speech about real bands vs digital bedroom producers and how it's killed rock & metal bands is absolutely true. 47 years old ex sludge metal band guitarist here.
Great video mate and I agree with a lot of what you say, however to say that guitar heros died after new metal! There are so many awesome bands around. You got the nail on the head when you said that young bands today can't afford to your/rehearse etc. TIn fact the digitisation of music has changed the game established metal bands find it hard to survive. I think music software has been a real blessing. It not only allows people to create music and collaborate from different countries but also to produce music affordably. There are also many people who also obsess over digital music creation with amazing results. Ultimately there is no substitute for playing live and/or seeing your favourite bands live 🤘
This is fantastic! I remember this album came out when i was in high school, it was the heaviest shit in existence. Yeah Morbid angel was on 7 strings by then, but the mix of this album was much heavier than covenant. Any chance of some Paradise lost or My dying bride?
Symphonies and Necroticism are the two best carcass albums, in my opinion. Not the best produced but they encapsulate what set them apart from 99% of 'other' bands of the day and have clearly proven to be extremely influential. As you were..
Especially Symphonies. For a 3 piece to make that much noise... wow. Also, that's when they were really working the call and response high (Jeff Walker) vocal with the low (Bill Steer, possibly Ken Owen) vocal. Mind numbing. The penultimate of Grindcore
25 years after release and it's still the best sounding metal album I've ever heard.
The Production on Sentenced to Life by Black Breath beats it IMO
Space Bear F$&k yeah \m/
I can't stand the bass being buried, I think it really holds the album back.
How about all the Wolfheart albums especially "Tyhjyys", "Totenritual" by Belphegor, "Songs form the North" (I and III) by Swallow The Sun and maybe "Faith Divide Us Death Unite Us" by Paradise Lost? Some of the Stream Of Passion and Ahab albums sound really good too. "Arcane Rain Fell" by Draconian sounds good depending on how I'm listening to it.
And yeah Heartwork sounds great and is one of the best metal sounds there are. Do you know there is a supposed remaster? It's horrible.
Damn right 🤘
Bill Steer is a legend. What a guitarist. After all the heavy stuff he did, he formed a band called Firebird. This was Blues Rock at its finest. The guys guitar work and solos were immense. Sadly now defunct. Luckily I got to see them a few times back in the day. All Hail the mighty Steer!
Very cool.
And hes a cool dude to drink beer with as well
Listened on headphones w/o watching. The familiar riffs started playing and I thought it was the actual record. Clicked back to the video to see if it was an A/B type test, saw it was you playing. My jaw fell on the floor. Very very nicely done!
You made my day. Thanks Alex.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE :)
totally agree with you man. i thought the album was playing when i saw the video. excellent work!
Heartwork still has my all time guitar tone in metal history! This made my day!
Thanks Colin
Hi! Cool video. Thought you might get a kick out of this. I have Bill Steer's block letter 5150 that Andy Sneap bought off him back in the day. According to Andy, it's the amp Bill used to record Heartwork. It's a bit beat up but still sounds great. Love your videos. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
That's awesome.
Nope, 6100 is the Heartwork amp
@@TheUmartNo. It isn't 😂😂
@@jayjaymerritt2785 yup,it is.crank dat second channel and you will hear that bite,peavey just doesn't have it.
I must say that I found your perspective fascinating and I'm also very happy that this was recommended by TH-cam.
I'd like to address the points you made including your own popularity. First of all the Carcass content was fantastic, but the direction your thoughts took were more interesting.
When it comes to TH-cam and musical popularity there seems to be a small click who are doing fine and growing and that same click somewhat define the 'scene'. I'm talking about Ola Englund, Rob Chapman, Rob Scallon, Jared Dines, Misha Mansoor, Ryan Bruce etc. as the main influencers for up and coming musicians and especially guitarists.
As you said the old-guard is fading out and who is there to replace them. For my personal taste there are many 'technical' bands nowadays demonstrating incredible proficiency and technique however such styles eventually plateau and what I'm noticing is a return to simplicity and focus on actually writing good music and not just a noodle fest.
The bedroom guitarists of years ago who are now the technical players we see today are maturing and I believe are starting to examine what they do and become more tasteful with their writing as opposed to feeling the urge to show what they can do.
As for small live venues they have steadily declined and been disappearing for years, unfortunately. The modern taste is all about immediate and short gratification rather then digesting an album fully, slowly, repeatedly, looking for undiscovered nuance each time. Easy, quick access to be thrown away and forgotten is the style of today, for all art, in my opinion. It's a great shame.
Film, music, gaming, books. Nothing is cherished, nothing is examined. One persons years of hard work is anothers toilet roll, and I believe it is extremely damaging for the human condition for us to be this way. Attention, memory, appreciation all in severe decline.
When it comes to playing live and honing your craft as you stated, that concept is dead. Bedroom producing to a high standard is easier than ever and VST amps are getting closer and closer to the real thing. I'd also add that the widespread death of community in towns and villages with the me, me, me mentality adds extra challenges for musicians who would like to practice in real scenarios. Musicians are not supported, noise is not tolerated at any level. So it forces beginners to sit there, headphones on, isolated, which isn't ideal.
I very much enjoyed this whole video, enough to comment and subscribe.
Thanks man. I think the main issue with my channel is older viewers who appreciate my channel do not share, tweet, comment etc. Kids are early adopters to social media and they share like crazy. That is why people should not complain that Jake Paul, Makeup Tutorials and vapid content is being pushed by TH-cam. The algorithm is only reacting to the deluge of likes and comments/interactions from young fans. If we want social media to get a little more high brow, middle aged people need to stop getting offended when creators ask to share, like and comment. People appreciate my channel but won't share because they mock people who use social media.
People like Jared Dines and Stevie T blow up for two reasons. 1 they can play like motherfuckers. 2: They are funny and that cater to young fans who share their content like crazy = growth. I'm getting into the habit of liking content I appreciate by default. That then pushes the video to get recommended by TH-cam. So I'm REALLY up against it because old schoolers tend to mock social media so I'm kinda screwed. Johan Segeborn has 50k subs. That is CRIMINAL!!! He should have over a million as it's the best guitar channel on TH-cam, but again nobody is sharing because his demographic are older dudes into classic rock. And sharing isn't the manly thing to do apparently.
By the way: Welcome to the Circle.
As a content creator myself, I can offer my thoughts.
If your goal is to grow as a creator I think you could consider a few different things. Given the level of competition and choice out there it's not an easy market.
To me, your content and ideas are great and can definitely appeal to a wider audience. The limitation in my honest opinion is the presentation. Your delivery is raw and to the point as well as thoughtful (which I like) but some viewers might find the environment a bit cluttered.
A consideration could be simplification or reorganizing your setup or a green screen. Your camera quality is good but could be great with a DSLR to offer that modern crispness viewers can enjoy. Sound is fine, a little roomy. Sometimes you could do sections with on screen presentations and your voice over using a condenser mic in a more descriptive, documentary style eg. when you were talking about the specific equipment, potentially source images, screenshots etc.
NOW, I also have a second opinion to everything I just said. You can tell me I'm talking rubbish, also I don't know your specific desires and motivation here.
The algorithm rewards regular content and your history is a tad irregular. Next to that, the algorithm is genius in a way, it manages to pigeon hole creators to a very specific corner of 'their' audience and it's incredibly difficult to get out of that, if at all even AFTER making multiple and financially costly adjustments.
But hey, just my thoughts, I could be talking rubbish, I really don't want to sound like a nob.
Btw just whipped out my DT 770 headphones, you absolutely nailed the guitar tone! Plenty of high end and without any harshness.
Thanks man. I do need help. My issue is I concentrate and obsess more over the capture process and research, but then my presentation is an afterthought.
I hate the twee intro music, coffee shop vibe of most TH-cam channels. The led backlighting and pastels etc but I have to bite the bullet and get more slick. My thumbnails need to be addressed too.
Loved your coverage on some of the history surrounding Carcass along with the side story-esque ramblings. As a 16 year old metalhead into long out-of-print bands and records, I can appreciate the effort you put into your channel. Please continue doing these re-creation style videos, and don't shy away from expressing your opinions (I agree, the post-Heartwork swarm of melodeath copies was nauseating), they're entertaining. Cheers from Texas!
Thanks man. Means a lot.
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Man, I just found your channel and is....greatly underrated! Amazing work and talent. Such interesting information and thoughts that you share. I highly appreciate and recommend this channel. Keep it up!
Thanks man.
Dude! You are my new best friend!!! Love the video, the perspective, the obsessing for metal and the craft of making good metal! Keep up the good work!
Welcome to the Circle!
It was a $300,000 professional Columbia Records recording done by Colin Richardson. which goes along way. It is still the best sounding death metal album of all-time
Chinese Democracy.
Oh man, how I love this album, I was 15 when I heard it for the first time back in 1996 thanks to a classmate that lend me a copy on tape, never heard anything like that before. Great video man, that sounds very spot on!
Haha. Thank God for sketchy freinds and grimy tapes.
Same here, I still listen to this album from time to time...a forgotten masterpiece for sure
Same. Still listening to the original release from 1993 from time to time. Absolutely timeless masterpiece, made me fall in love with brillantly executed melodic deathmetal heaviness.
Thanks for covering this era of Carcass. This album was very influential for me in my own guitar playing. Napalm Death Utopia Banished was another album from around that time, place and movement that greatly influenced my own guitar playing.
Yep they really did impact a hell of a lot of bands.
Just started following you and couldn't agree more with your aspect of the recording process. I recently had a failed attempt at a band with a bunch of guys that all wanted to do everything DIY style. Which I have been recording DIY for years and can do it, but they just didn't get the idea of going into a room playing through all the songs to get the drums (no click track) and a starter track of all the other instruments. Then record the guitars a few more times using different amps, rooms, mics, guitars, etc until we found the tone that worked, or a blend of tones that worked the best. Then just punch in the screw-ups and call it a day. The tone searching was the longest part of the studio time. To find the sounds that complimented the band and the tracks. I am lucky that I recorded in a beautiful studio the old school way back in the late 90's. I tried to convince my guys (all born in the 90's) that we should be able to play through this stuff flawlessly as a band before recording.
The singer and guitarist kept blaming the drummer for changing tempo and the guitarist said he couldn't play to the drums if they weren't perfect. Which makes no sense since we played live all the time, he just couldn't accept that a different level of accuracy is needed in the studio. You can't hide behind a noisy venue and distortion cranked to a thousand. Plus, when you record live drums without a click, you get a more organic song. No song is meant to be perfectly 86 or 120 BPM all the way through. You lose a ton of dynamics and emotion when you can't speed up or slow down 2-3BPM during different parts of a song. I also swear by using live amps, no re-amping. My playing, my voice is influenced by my interaction with my amp.
Anyways, Cheers man! Really dig your perspective!
Exactly. I don't reamp because you play too the amps feel and response. I play different via a 5150 vs a Marshall. I dig in more etc.
Bill Steer and Micheal Ammott, who the hell put them in the same band?!! Genius
⚕probably the same guys who put chocolate & peanut butter together!!!
If I’m not mistaken Bill is who recorded almost all of not all of the guitar parts for Heartwork because Ammott had some issues traveling but I could be wrong it’s been a while
"Circle of sickness" sounds like a brilliant name for a band!
Yep. They can open for Vanilla Sausage.
With how sick I am on a regular basis id fit right in. Id call the first album, mucous delirium.
circle of lifts
Great video man. Absolutely agree with the rehearsal/touring part. Playing live everyday gives massive confidence and experience as player. You learn what works and what not in music.
Yep the correlation of home DIY had gone hand in hand with the death of interest in new metal and rock.
Cool stories about the gear man, great video..and great channel. They advice was awesome as well, you’re right about music and musicians today....we gotta take it back
Yep. No more gold stars.
Extremely cool video🤘🏻Keep up the good work! I have been a subscriber for quite a while and you never disappoint! I also liked and shared this video ;)
Thanks man!
Love Carcass. Between them Bolt Thrower and Obituary are my holy Trinity. Nice The Young Ones shirt! RIP (P)Rik
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@@CIRCLEOFTONE I've watch these at least a dozen times a piece. Have you given Memoriam a listen?
@@clintn6677 Yep. Love it.
Once upon a time, before metal even existed, the entire idea of an "Album" was that it was a collection of songs that the musician(s) was(were) already known for playing.
Yep. Crazy concept today with the lack of live scene.
Albums still exist.
But why stay the same? I mean carcass was a grind band before heartwork
It was about time someone spent this long and was this thorough dissecting the Heartwork tone. Great job, very interesting and informative, and a fitting tribute to the sheer amount of time and effort that Mr Steer and the Carcass guys put into getting it down. Still one of the most brutally affecting, musically satisfying, and tonally awesome albums I have ever been fortunate enough to hear.
Love that you get into the history of it all!
Can we have the other two parts please!!! Love your stuff btw
Great video!
I appreciate your approach to researching and discovering how these influential sounds were achieved.
I’ve viewed a number of your videos but this one really got to an important level of consideration: Commitment. It’s what speaks through the tone, the notes, the production...it’s the richness of the experience of creating.
Again, love the video, keep up the great work you are doing!
Thanks Joel. That means a lot.
As a Carcass fan, and just a fan of metal in general, I've had a hard time putting my finger on why my interest in the genre has been waning over the years. You've done a great job of articulating why I and so many others still listen to those evergreen albums even though countless other acts have built upon those albums' foundation with improved musicianship and production quality since then.
When a band takes their bedroom demos out on the road and plays them dozens or hundreds of times in front of live audiences before committing them to tape, there is something visceral about that experience. To that point, although modern musicians have access to nearly everything they need in their DAW to create facsimiles of nearly any sound, at the end of the day they are putting in (very little comparative) effort to replicate a sound another band pushed boundaries to create from scratch decades earlier.
This is one of the reasons I've taken to modding and\or making most of my gear. That moment when you hit something that actually works is the best feeling!
Yep. I tweak most things but like to keep the signal simple. Ask any amp tech what the most popular mod on a Marshall is and he will tell you "to get rid of all previous mods and make it stock".
Amazing as always... waiting for Dissection tone.
Thanks man
waiting for this so loong!!! Is impossible to recreate de exact guitar tone from Heartwork, can be close but no exact. There's a lot of facts as you mentioned on the video. Congratulations, love your channel.
Yep. People can get ballpark but they tend to forget their tone grates after a few mins. With Heartwork the tone is moorish and makes you want to hear the whole album. It gives you an ear worm. Modern attempts sound good initially then grate on your ear.
I acquired Heartwork when living in Michigan's U.P. "Escanaba" in early 94 after getting out of the Service-Talk about just a handfull of people even knew who "Carcass" was then. Great Video! I am glad I stumbled across this.
You absolutely need to cover Symphonies Of Sickness.
It's far more challenging to the ear and I feel it showcases their talents better than anything else.
well done Owen. the energy when you can get people to play together. Unfortunately I could never get people together. Where has the passion gone
can you give string gauges a mention
This channel is a joy to watch :)
Thanks man. Appreciate it.
Can't wait to see parts 2 and 3 if they're still on the table! Fucking love Carcass! Badass as always, Owen!
Yep I was thinking about that recently.
I completely agree dude. I used to obsess with the Slayer guitar sounds & panning them left & right (especially on Hell Awaits) & hearing odd screams & shouts from Jeff & Kerry bleeding through the mics as they were playing. Absolutely golden.
Bill Steer is so underrated as a guitarist, he’s been my influence since the 90’s, Heartwork is awesome but when they released Surgical Steel, that is their pinnacle album.
Yep he was huge for the scene. Helped invent a genre in Grindcore, then invented another in melodeth.
@JezBollah 667 Fuck yeah. Surgical Steel is fucking masterpiece. The final mix of the album was great, you can hear Jeff bassline as well :)
Bill Steer is a guitar god.
Bold, sir! Bold!
My favorite one is Necroticism.Heartwork comes second and then Surgical Steel.They are all awesome.But I'm old.I've got that excuse.Both Necroticism and Heartwork are milestones in the Death Scene.No one was doing that.The real difference from those days is the bands were all different.They where unique.Copycats didn't make it.Surgical Steel is the missing link between Necroticism and Heartwork and the sound is better because it was recorded today, although that is discussable(I prefer Necroticism and Heartwork)
One of these days, I'm making a frankencab just like the one they used. That album's guitar tone has stuck with me for the last 26 years, so damn perfect and powerful.
Tone... thank you for this level of detail ... I feel you are encouraging experimentation and passion for mixing , producing and playing music. ..🤘🤘☺
In Tom Warrior's book he talks about a roadie buying and giving him an Ibanez Iceman, which he said looked cool as hell but wouldn't stay in tune. Sounds incredible though. Can't help thinking metal bands used to have their own sound because they couldn't afford a Line 6 stack and a seven string Ibanez or whatever the kidz are using these days.
the information and detail in this is incredible.
Thanks man! Means a lot.
The video we've all been waiting for
Yes. Was really hoping you'd do this album. Looking forward to Necroticism next. Great work as always.
Also, not that i needed it, this validates my love for the G12t-75
A 75 is the new black.
Proper content. I really liked to hear about the sound but also your thoughts.
I love the tone on the Heartwork album.
My go-to cab is a 4x12 with G12T-75s. Love them. I've been experimenting with the Hot 100s, recently. They sound nice too. Both are great for high gain with rapid and intricate picking.
Yep they have attitude.
I'm definitely not a good guitar player, nor do I know anything about recording. But I recently had the honor of listening to some old JAMES FREAKING TAYLOR album where it was a few dudes in a room with a microphone They literally pressed "record" and went for it. The recording captured all the banter in between the songs and everything. It was just dudes with guitars in a room - no tricks, no overdubs, nothing. And it was MAGIC.
Killer video as always, Owen! Love the Young Ones t-shirt!
Thanks man. That shows introduced me to The Damned and Motorhead.
I was about to say the same, great shirt
Speaking of shirts, I would totally buy one that says "This is Circle of Tone, bitch!"
finished watching, fantastic video as well Owen, really giving me some motivation for my band as im having a bit of a hard time with motivation atm, im sick of metal being so stale. I definitely think its all about finding great musicians who are passionate and not just good, gigging the shit out your songs, using real room sounds etc.
A good example of older recordings how they had impacts from other instruments is one song of Deftones. In the intro of the song, the guitar's loudness triggers the wires of the snare bottom! For me always legendary to listen that moment, especially over headphones!
Can’t wait for the My Dying Bride tone. My fav album was Like Gods of the Sun (Peavey 5150, Marshall 1960, EMG 81?) Pretty sure Trinity was Marshall Valvestates. Thanks for the Carcass rundown! BTW, who was the trusted source that everything was a 5150? I’m not so sure I believe that one. Heartwork was textures/layers of the amps mentioned but maybe mainly the 5150. Thanks again!
It was the biggest little bird I've ever seen.
How can I like this video 69 times? I have been stalking your channel waiting for this one!
Hehe. Thanks man. Glad you like it.
Listening again the intro, the original and other covers ... that 1:25 vibrato for me brings the best feeling for this kinda stuff, even better than the original that was like the covers on the "confort zone" so again, I like the way you put your own style even wanting to recreate as close as possible on the gear side... thanks.
Hüsker Dü basically played all of the songs that would end up on Zen Arcade live before they went in the studio to record it, and that record is quintessential in American Hardcore Punk history
Great info. I didn't know that.
Very good Vid, love this sound detective stuff esp for Heartwork, a glorious sounding album. Great Carcass autopsy big man!
Thanks Liam.
Still waiting for the Venom video
I have to practice my Geordie accent first.
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@@Gibboncore lol. Blast from the past.
Waiting for Venom too.
That Mantas tone is iconic. Saw "Venom Inc" earlier this year. Still an unmistakable sound.
1:25 omg that low vibrato sounds intrusive. FNice!
Thanks for the vid!!! Hope you make some more CARCASS videos as stated. NECROTISISM and SYMPHONIES OF SICKNESS tone videos would be awesome. SYMPHONIES had a pretty nasty and raw tone and NECROTISISM is the album where the band definitely grew as musicians and songwriters. Colin Richardson definitely played a huge roll on NECROTISISM. Taking the time with the band to get the songs arranged, played, setup and sounding fantastic. And it sounds HUGE in my opinion. And REAL!!!! No modern digital surgery like most of today's albums. Analog at it's finest.
Yep. It was groundbreaking.
Great info on Carcass's work from the album Heartwork. I'm big fan of them.The last c.d. that i found was a double disk of their 2014 release "Surgical Remission/ Surplus Steel" for $9.99 at Best Buy. It was the last copy, so yeah I had to get that bad boy..lol I'm looking forword to the other parts of the Carcass era. Keep up the great work. Metal Horns Up \m/
Thanks man!
Great video on one of the most legendary tones in metal! Incidentally just weeks ago I embarked on trying to get a tone very close to it for an upcoming recording, and today I see this video crop up...thanks for crushing my hopes! LOL.
Seriously though, I think you're spot on. Back in those days things were done in a more organic way for sure. If I may, I want to suggest another reason for us getting 'lazy' nowadays and relying on 'pre-packaged' digital sounds: Internet piracy has made it just not worth it to do it the old school way.
From your description, Carcass went through an obsessive, monumental effort to record an album they would be happy with. Do that nowadays, and what do you get? You maybe sell half a dozen CDs at an album launch, and a week after that your album has already been uploaded to 30 illegal download websites, after which no one needs to buy your album anymore. They just steal the fruits of all your massive efforts. It pains me to say, but after already having gone through that, it seriously starts to change your thinking into a 'gonna do it with the least effort next time round' kind of mindset, cos it's just not worth it.
Or maybe it is. But it certainly creates a lot of conflict in my mind Anyway, thanks for giving me serious food for thought here. Keep the great videos coming!
Thanks man. If you take anything away from my channel, just make sure you don't do it alone. I wasted 20 years doing the DIY thing. Don't be put off by how hard it is. If you concentrate on the song writing and band rehearsals rather than recording it will be a lot easier to capture greatness when you are ready to record.
Great video man we have toured our album too also done demos over years the album is halfway finished but I totally get ya something bigger has come out of each song so I'm with you on that😀keep up the good work & looking forward to seeing more videos from ya dude🤘
Thanks man.
Yessssss! I'm 20 seconds in and really looking forward to this 👍
The best video about music ive seen in a loong time. The truth
Thanks for posting. And thank you to the late great John Peel for introducing me to Heartwork - one of those albums I prefer to enjoy uninterrupted, and cranked, from start to finish. Would love to hear all your choices of finest albums...
John peel has a TH-cam channel that has so much gold... Old strange music has some gems among the coal. Funnily enough I bought his book on 4 track recording when I was half my age.
Heartwork is the holy grail on Carcass tone, but I also love the gut busting tone on Swansong.
Swansong is untouchable. The foot tapping awesomeness is paramount.
Dude good job🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
You finally did it :-) Great video looking to following parts.
Thanks Luke.
Haha love the final thoughts, true old school thinking. Couldn't agree more but I guess you sort of have to have grown up and lived through that era of bands and sound progression to appreciate the nuances of passionate production. Keep it up!
Omg so much on spot! Thank you!!
Cheers Boboh!
Great content and wise words. I wish I had found this channel earlier. Like 20 years ago haha. CHEERS
Thanks man.
Fantastic video. I’m glad I stumbled across this channel.
great work as usual, tone is spot on pal
plus, i'd be extremely grateful for tips on achieving the 'symphonies of sickness' tone, as its probably my favourite sounding guitar tone (along with warmaster by bolt thrower :D)
I was trying to learn to play it, but I found that there wasn't much explanation on TH-cam on how to play it. And the tabs didn't sound right. So thanks a lot! Not that you've done a great job, I'll get down to learning this masterpiece !
Oh wait it's not exactly the tutorial for a particular song. But still it was interesting to watch, so cheers!
I don't play it properly but it's ballpark ish. Haha.
This Video is awesome, just wanted to say thank you, Ive got old interviews with Bill steer a lot of what you've revealed is actually accurate, I really want to second what thecomplaining gamer said true metal is on the rise and a lot of guitar aerobics will diminish we get some more awesome bands like Carcass again, only criticism that I would of liked , would have been amp settings , also Bill used a very open pick grip and rested his second finger on his first digit and this impacted on tone, he had a heavier attack on chords but more finesse on the slower parts and leads, I've got a tonne of articles from Japan and Europe interview with the band, Parr street studios staff have commented in forums and the information they share is exhausting, congrats on a great channel hope you subscription only grows
Thanks Richard. Appreciate it.
This is great! I've read this article before, but its MUCH better to hear it from you playing it :D Btw I would love to get an explanation of Arch Enemy's War Eternal and beyond tones. For some reason, there's nothing on Bias Fx Tonecloud. All these thousands of users and no Arch Enemy tone, what?
Thanks man. Arch Enemy may get done one day.
Thanks man! This was so inspiring! Great video.
Really appreciate that!
ur right i did this with my band, so we started to rerecord som old songs how we did it live so yeah, playing the songs live is the best thing
Yep. There is a lot of magic that can happen when captured.
Hey man, loved this video, love Carcass and totally love checking out the channel. After you discussed how Carcass played Heartwork live before hitting the studio and the amount of time they rehearsed that got me thinking about bands that go into a studio and write almost the entire album there. Can you discuss some bands that have done this? I’ve heard some albums that were written in the studio as recording is going and these albums sound great too. Cheers man.
I think my fav example is a failed obsession by The Who/Townsend called Lifehouse. Pete went so deep into the writing and production which they rented a theater for months and invited the public! Pete's vision was hampered by the mangment at the time and he toiled so hard he had a nervous breakdown. But from that concept it bred amazing songs and footage that helped the Who long term.
"People my age don't do that"
Caught me. Liked and subscribed.
Thanks man
When they released Heartwork it was the first time they were really satisfied with the guitar sound.
Good to know. It's a bitter sweet thing for them because their fanbase kinda balked at how pretty it sounded but they picked up so many new fans it evened out.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE That's true. Heartwork was bittersweet experience for them and even now I find it strange... I don't get it, there was so much experimental stuff going on in the early 90's like the album Spheres from Pestilence and Soulless from Grave. All these albums were panned by fans back in the day and now they are lauded as masterpieces.
Yep. Spheres was underrated in the prog metal world. Then again, this was my JAM. Haha. th-cam.com/video/Mj5Ajt3r5xA/w-d-xo.html
@@WarriorOfModernDeath I loved Spheres. It was my introduction them so I wasn't put off by thier change of style. When you change your music too much it almost never does your band good with sales/popularity.
Just thought i would say keep up the 'weird metal stuff' it's half the reason I subscribed :)
Yeah it's tough to get the sell out balance right. My channel is dead.
Omg finally the video I was expecting! ❤️
We love you, Owen! Dont worry, I'm sure you'll still get your fair share of subs:)
I love you guys too. My subs are small but so many cool people helping me out.
Agree with other posters that this is the best sounding metal album I've ever heard. 90% of it is Mr. Bill Steer and his magic fingers. He could make anything sound fantastic. Agree with Owen, the gigging, hard work and obsession is the key.
90% of it was the gear used, the signal chain, Keith Andrews, and a LOT of patience.
Liked and subbed just because you did this beautiful thing. Cheers!
Thanks man
A great video, thank you for the education. Heartwork is one of the best metal albums ever made, and it's one of my favorites.
Cool shirt man! I used to watch that show a lot!
I really dig your view on this subject
Thanks man.
This is a very informative and inspiring video!
Thanks Brian.
Your speech about real bands vs digital bedroom producers and how it's killed rock & metal bands is absolutely true. 47 years old ex sludge metal band guitarist here.
Thank you for this. Please do something on Morbid Angel!
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Heartwork is the best metal album ever done, period
I love heartwork, but i much prefer Necroticism.
Necroticism is my fav as well.
I liked Swansong more than Heartwork, personally.
I love them all but swan song is my fav.
Surgical Steel is the culmitation of this band, such a masterpiece of riffs and thrash
Great video and overall message. Cheers from Sweden
Thanks man.
Another good info session - Cheers. Keep it up .
Thanks Sid.
Once again, great video.
Cheers Neil.
“If you think you can get the Carcass/Heartwork tone, you can’t!” 😂😂
It's a masterpiece. Thanks for this.
Talking about Carcass and wearing a Young Ones T-shirt - Brilliant.
Hehe
Nailed it again man.
Cheers!
Great video mate and I agree with a lot of what you say, however to say that guitar heros died after new metal! There are so many awesome bands around. You got the nail on the head when you said that young bands today can't afford to your/rehearse etc. TIn fact the digitisation of music has changed the game established metal bands find it hard to survive. I think music software has been a real blessing. It not only allows people to create music and collaborate from different countries but also to produce music affordably. There are also many people who also obsess over digital music creation with amazing results. Ultimately there is no substitute for playing live and/or seeing your favourite bands live 🤘
the young ones shirt! fantastic. also, love heartwork and carcass. some of the best “melodic” death metal ever
This is fantastic! I remember this album came out when i was in high school, it was the heaviest shit in existence. Yeah Morbid angel was on 7 strings by then, but the mix of this album was much heavier than covenant. Any chance of some Paradise lost or My dying bride?
Symphonies and Necroticism are the two best carcass albums, in my opinion. Not the best produced but they encapsulate what set them apart from 99% of 'other' bands of the day and have clearly proven to be extremely influential. As you were..
Especially Symphonies. For a 3 piece to make that much noise... wow.
Also, that's when they were really working the call and response high (Jeff Walker) vocal with the low (Bill Steer, possibly Ken Owen) vocal.
Mind numbing.
The penultimate of Grindcore