2016 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen FCV - Review and Road Test
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- As America’s hydrogen fueling infrastructure begins to blossom, Toyota's first-ever Mirai fuel-cell vehicle (FCV) offers a promising look into the future of transportation.
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I like how we worry about hydrogen exploding but we use explosive fuel im almost all cars
Gasoline is only "explosive" when atomized and under pressure. Hydrogen being a gas, is naturally atomized and under pressure
erik dee Gasoline is flammable as a liquid, but not explosive until it is atomized
@@erikdeeNOSPELLSNO in other words, gasoline just burns like wood if not pressurized. When it's pressurized, it expands much more when ignited, causing it to explode.
Hydrogen burns in ANY concentration in air, whereas gasoline vapor burns in a much more narrow window of concentration.
But point taken. Gasoline vapor is heavier than hydrogen, so it tends to linger around ignition sources :-(
Right. He talks about gasoline as if it isn’t flammable. It’s actually not uncommon for cars to burst into flames - how many times have you heard about a car being on fire in the news or in traffic reports? It’s fairly common. But no one ever suggests we do away with all gasoline powered cars because sometimes they burst in to flames for one reason or another
I seen one on the 710 in Long Beach and it cut me off they gunned it and a bunch of water came out the muffler
Stephen Contreras lolol
Aye I'm in long beach
I saw one in Long Beach, a couple days ago.
Does it spew liquid water? I assumed it was vapor.
Honda Clarity review soon? Also, can we enhance the frame on the credit card?
Dark Knight ha
Why do almost all eco cars look like shit?
KlanStar cause they are xD I do think the Ford Focus electric looks decent though
They don’t look like shit it’s just people keep humanizing cars. The less a car looks like a face, the less people like the design. That’s why people prefer 80s - early 00s cars better.
I'm one of those really odd people who actually doesn't mind the styling on these. If hydrogen production/distribution points spring up as quickly as predicted I'd imagine I'll have a fuel cell car within a decade, two tops. I just hope in any case our power grid is greener by then.
I love how the hydrogen powered engine can accelerate the vehicle with only one gear. Impressed! clap clap clap!! 👏👏👏
The 2016 model looks way too Prius-y, and no one has ever said “nice Prius bro.” The 2021 model, now that thing is a beauty. 🤩
Toyota sold about 1,800 Marai's in 2017. Actually, not that bad. Should sell around 1,500 in 2018.
Huh
I've been a fan of automotive alternatives since the 60s. Alas, for now, I'll have to settle for a 2010 Patriot with a CVT (continuously variable transmission), something I also first read about in the 1960s. Slick!
Couldn't help but notice Micah keeping that bottle of water really close while filling up :)
Wow, this is probably the Mirai I saw In long beach A while ago. It was at this Traffic Circle too.
I'm pissed off, because as a kid I watched the jetsons....still looking for that flying car that's been promised
gonna have to keep waiting bud. sorry
weirdshibainu I don't care about flying cars... lol
it will be chaos in the air if today planes still get stolen from international airports and take off without clearance from ATC
Yeah in 2218
50 more years
the future of cars
This is better alternative than Electric cars...The only question is Hydrogen production...
Dude, Sunil meant ' better than plug in EV'
Hydrogen is produced with natural gas, lol
In my hometown there is an off grid hydrogen gas station that produces it's own gas, using only solar panels and tap water. As demand for fuel increases, they should probably add a wind generator too, considering it's pretty far north where the winters are long, dark and cold.
The 67mpg is only in terms of energy. It has nothing to do with economics. For $26, which was the cost of the hydrogen fill up, I can get 13.8 gallons of gas in Albuquerque, NM. If that 13.8 gallons gets me only 300 miles of range, I got 21mpg from an economic standpoint. I'll stick with my Volt. It costs me zero to fill with my solar panels, but if I did have to pay to fill it with PNM produced power, it would only cost $1.56. That gives me an average of 61 miles of range, which equates to 74.5mpg from an economic standpoint--meaning I can drive 74.5 miles for the same cost as one gallon of gas. Even though I get over 100mpg worth of energy, it is not the same ration when looking at it from an economic standpoint.
daver787 Everyone should use the same benchmark for ecconomy calculation. The best is cents per mile. Im in Canada electrical power is 7c/Kwhr. so there is a big variation
Gary Lewis its not meant to be the most economical..its meant to be the most sustainable for the planet. So look at the cars for the way its meant...not your own bias and calculations. Its either you want to save the world or not
Nikhil Nadasan If this is supposed to be the most sustainable method of transport it sure is flopping
Now this is my kind of a dream car instead of getting a black bmw or mustang trying so hard to be cool.
No Filter BMWs and Mustangs are "trying to be cool" while a shitbox family car is a dream car...? Guess you must be fun.
You sure about that buddy? Not everyone on here are angry kids you know. Believe it or not, I do own a car. Shocking right?! :O
Dont worry then, fuel cells will be dirt cheap in the future and these cars will be both cheap and common
I'd love the concept of this car. Too bad they only sell them in California.
Hydrogen Fuel cell may be successful in Trucks than in cars. Cars can run on battery with less load. When we want to carry load for thousands of kilometers where electric current is not there there comes Hydrogen Fuel cell for Trucks. Fuel cells may be used in Battle tanks in warfare where we need stealth(ICE is difficult with heath emission) and we cannot access electricity(EV vehicles cannot be recharged in battlefield) for long period of time.
Unfortunately I’ve never had higher than 275 miles range on my Mirai and 80% of the time 250 mile range. For my commute that means filling up 2x a week instead of 1x. That’s the average of 4 Socal stations
Is that FWY miles or city? And how much does it cost you to fill up the tank? Thank you
@@Buiak that’s mostly highway, usually $80 but Toyota gives you a fuel card up to $15k to spend in 3 years. I’m so much happier with a PHEV now.
gun to my head... I'd take this over the prius... well tbh I'd get shot.... It still looks a lot better then the prius tho... Micah.. dude you're reviews are getting more awesome day by day... Keep it up bud
You're too kind. Cheers!
saw my first one on Highway 24 yesterday in the East bay area of California
When are you guys going to get your hand on Prius prime?
Thanks ks for showing the whole filling up segment ! So helpful
Yeah, it may take 6 mins to fill up, but you have to go somewhere to fill yet up, and pay for the hydrogen.
You can plug in an EV at home and let it charge while you’re asleep. Superchargers are really only meant for road trips, which the Mirai still can’t do.
Elon Musk is against this technology because it's better and would hurt his business model
TheTruthSeeker if it is the truth you are seeking, you need to look elsewhere. What you said has not one iota of truth in it.
Aaron, prove otherwise. Thanks
It would be nice if you could explain it to me, cuz my research shows that there are problems with production hydrogen, & then the fuel cells.
The cost of extracting hydrogen from the atmosphere or from water is more difficult that it seems. It will cost more to fill up a fuel cell after Toyota stops paying for your fill ups, it’s about 7x more expensive than recharging an EV. There’s benefits to both technologies and drawbacks as well. Both are much more efficient than traditional gas powered vehicles.
@@LowerYourExpectationsPleb At this moment the hydrogen infrastructure and production is solely power by fossil fuels where electric cars have options of what it is powered from like Solar and Hydro, versus fossil fuel and nuclear. There is no need to prove what is common knowledge because the only thing that would be proved is your lack of knowledge on the subject. Elon is obviously against it due to the fact it is fossil fuel based transportation and is not the direction we need to be looking in the future no matter how misinformed the sheep public is.
I thought he could have added that hydrogen, like electricity, is on a renewable pathway. California requires that 33% of the hydrogen must come from renewable sources (electrolysis using wind or solar, steam reformation with biogas or tri-generation fuel cells using biogas...). Disclosure: I work for the California Fuel Cell Partnership.
Thanks for mentioning the renewable angle. It's a worthwhile point. Though I wonder to what degree renewable sources remain viable if hydrogen vehicles were to sell in significant volumes.
Lots sources to make renewable hydrogen. You should take a look at NREL's H2 @ Scale presentation as part of DOE's Big Ideas Conference for the National Labs. It's not impossible.
Let's see if TH-cam will allow me to post a link. cafcp.org/sites/default/files/5_NREL_Wipke_H2_at_Scale_CaFCP_Forum_April_19_2016.pdf
I'll also add that California would not commit to this renewable pathway like electricity if they didn't think it was possible. We're doing it with electricity (which also means that H2 becomes more renewable as a result). Excess capacity on the grid can be used to split water for transportation H2, transport in natural gas pipelines (up to a certain percentage) and for fuel for stationary fuel cells.
You may also want to check out the EV World Record for the number of miles traveled in 24 hours. The record was broken by True Zero, which is developing 19 H2 stations in CA, using a Toyota Mirai.
Hydrogen is made through electrolysis of water, splitting the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen. But the process of making hydrogen is very inefficient, so about 50% of the energy is lost in the process. Then when the hydrogen car drives on the road, it converts the hydrogen back into electricity, but that again is a very inefficient process with about a 50% loss. Finally the hydrogen car can use it's produced electricity for its electronics and electric motor with more than 80% efficiency.
But of the original amount of energy made at the powerplant, less than 20% of that energy is made into propulsion on the wheels of the hydrogen car. For a normal electric car, that number would be around 80%. Or said in another way, using hydrogen cars requires 4 times more electricity/energy than a normal battery powered electric car.
This car has been out since last year. Though, there doesn't seem to be any legit owners reviews and videos anywhere on the internet, which is highly suspect. Surely anyone that actually likes or dislikes owning this car can't wait to share their opinions online. I have a feeling Toyota has buyers sign a non disclosure agreement in order to prevent negative judgements about ownership of this particular vehicle. So far all I've managed to dig up are sponsored videos, articles, and forums that all seem to be controlled by Toyota. This video is the most honest one so far, but still leaves a lot of details about hydrogen fuel cell cons that would probably send most people running.
This is clearly the best of both worlds. You get the benefits of electric motors, AND you don't hate your life that charging takes forever.
Sure, electric WOULD be better if batteries were more energy dense but it may never happen.
60k wtf for that cheese wedge.
So if you run out of hydrogen and are stranded on the side of the road, is there any way to transport an amount of hydrogen to the stranded car?
Three syllables: me-ra/la-ee. It’s the Japanese word for “future.” That middle syllable’s consonant is in between the English “r” and “l” which is why I notated it that way.
why do they make eco friendly cars and charge $50000 for it? the only reason why people would buy this car is to save $$$$. u can get a corolla for $19000 and buy A LOT of gas for $30000.
but money comes from trees
Some people still ive in the stone ages and they do think like you. Humans are fated to evolve, though.
It's actually about 35,000$ fully equipped as there is a 8,000$ federal rebate, 5,000$ state rebate (in California), and a 7,500$ Toyota incentive for customers. In addition to that they include free hydrogen for three years! So it is under 30,000$ if you think about it for a car with good technology, exclusivity, and a well appointed interior.
Its not really all that much compared to how many benefits you get from the state and Toyota itself
Or get a one Moskvitch for $50 and a LOT of gasps for the rest.
We are getting a mirai soon
So-Cal Theme Park Fan I’m sorry
N GUY My Model 3 set me back $60,500. I cannot afford another $60k car - correct
Isn’t Hydrogen more dangerous than gasoline? It’s very flammable.
octoberboiy both are very flammable. So is the gas furnace.
Hoping to see hydrogen stations around the country using large solar arrays to create hydrogen by electrolysis on site. Realistically they would still need fossil fuels and a lot of land but the use of solar would greatly reduce fossil fuel consumption also no need to have large trucks using more fuel to deliver it to the stations or to have oil companies spending and using enormous amounts of resources to drill for fuel.
It's a brilliant idea if you live in California. But the lack of stations to fill up is harsh. So you can't drive to Las Vegas on it for example no station in Vegas for fills ups.
how much gallons does it cost to fill up?
the future is here
I've lived in CA since like 2013, and I just saw one of these the other day for the first time lol.
In countries with cold winters such as Canada, Norway, Russia even Germany or Poland, these cars will transform the roads in skating arenas. Imagine if half the cars on the road will eject water vapor in cold weater.
You fricken idiot, current ICEs produce more water vapor per HP than fuel cells do. Are the roads skating rinks? Perhaps they are, but it has nothing to do with the water vapor emissions from the cars.
Even if they are emitting water... we have salt on the roads in winter
Fcv is great alternative to electric car only problem is generating clean hydrogen at affordable rate.
Do you really have to explain that MPa is the measurement of pressure?
With all the rebates and stuff, it will still reach $50k for purchase option seems to be a big purchase and monthly. I may go with the hybrid.
When you said the steering doesn't go all the way.. I think that's one of the upgrade Toyota did cuz in the older models, according to the manual, you're not supposed to turn the steering all the way and hold it there for a few seconds cuz that ruins the steering
This is a beautiful car is just wish it was like the prius where its electric and engine AND that price is too high!
Hydrogen fuel cell is 80%efficient compare to gasoline which is only 30%efficient, this fuel is so clean that you can drink the byproduct,can be produce using renewable resources hope to see more improvements in the near future.
where is the dash view ????
Why is it so ugly? Does the cost grow when you make a vehicle visually pleasing?
My favourite car. Eco friendly too.
The hydrogen is generated through splitting of water. No requirements of fossil fuels for succesful hydrogen generation
Are you sure>?
Yes. He is sure. Google it.
That's what I thought the producer is a dumb ass he said it still uses fossil fuels
Trumps No.1 UK Fan it does. 99% of hydrogen production comes from steam cracking natural gas. It was true when he said it and its true now.
The reason is that electrolysis of water is, and will remain (thanks, Physics!) MONUMENTALLY inefficient and extremely expensive. There's no business case for hydrolysis. There's no strategy or infrastructure to create large scale hydrogen production from water.
For the foreseeable future, hydrogen is simply another fossil fuel product. Which is why the oil companies want you to buy into it.
It's a scam.
Using fossil fuels to power the stations though.
Please do the Toyota 86
can you charge it at home?
Saw one on the 405 coming to the valley, my jaw DROPPED I was like dafuq, looked up the pricing and technology... An am completely bemused
"mirai" means future in Japanese btw and the way people are pronouncing it its so funny
I can imagine ...
Thanks for that it make sense,it is the future,so excited to see Hydrogen cars running in some parts of the world
Nice... Arabic, Japanese, and English!
Hydrogen is extremely flammable.However this is mitigated by the fact that hydrogen rapidly rises and often disperses before ignition, unless the escape is in an enclosed, unventilated area. Demonstrations have shown that a fuel fire in a hydrogen-powered vehicle can burn out completely with little damage to the vehicle, in contrast to the expected result in a gasoline-fueled vehicle.
Gasoli
Just found one on sale for about $9,000. What's up with that?? And it has less than 30,000 miles on it. Good deal? Or death trap?
If that $26 represents 300 some miles ..I have to say you may as well stick with a real Prius or BEV .. Plus the issue of the Hydrogen potentially coming from fossil fuels.. sounds like going backwards from a cost benefits perspective.
cp361 when I heard $26 I knew this car wasnt worth it. My corolla for the same amount does about 50 miles less a tank.
*Man...! You should not joke " KABOOM #! " like that because shit like that is all too real 😐😐😐*
Did anyone get the CC number?
Have you driven in Los Angeles? Carpool lanes are just as slow as the other lanes
I'd love one of these, in the UK one of these costs just over £60,000 though...
They should produce a model with Hydroponic Garden option. Drive, Grow and Cook!
does toyota design their cars to be ugly on purpose? it sure seems that way.
if it had a bmw badge on it you would piss yourself from excitement
Almost every hybrid/electric car is hideous. -Tesla of course.
worse than the prius LOL
@@mhks68 that's not true
No and also none of their cars are ugly all of their cars are nice so you're an idiot for saying something stupid... Toyota makes their cars nicer than your mom's face...
What an "eyesore" looking car. Like Ali Salas said I would rather get the Honda Clarity also!
Even if these came down 25% you are still looking in the low 40's. And this is still just one step up from a sedan due to it's lift back.
Should I buy one for 8.7k with 30k miles ? Year 2016
Yes
For a better nature very good idea indeed. Thanks Toyota.
wow its finally here
I really like the taillights
2017's are approx $10k low miles. Average price comparatively to a gallon of gas is $6 to $7 per gallon. Almost twice as much.
Please what differend between toyota mirai with car electric?
Find yourself someone that kisses you the way Micah kisses the mirai sticker
It is purdy, though...
$58000??!! Well, now they're like $17k. Yikes.
Don't u find this car useless??? Why just not to plug the car in to house socket????
And he forgot to mention that hydrogen cars don't require any maintainence cause their is only one moving part..
With $15000 in gas a $7500 rebate if financed and the $5000 incentive it's really a $30,000 car not too bad
Damn it! How embarrassing. Why is it that tonight (Apr 20, 2017) is the first I've ever heard of this car? And it was only because it popped up in the right margin of my Yahoo email. Damn, am I that out of touch with the world? This looks interesting, and is a new exciting edition that even makes the Prius look sorta' old school. We'll see how this goes, I have high hopes for this one, and when it's time to update my daily driver, this may be something I'm looking at.
Can u guys do a rewiew on the 2017 Ford Fusion
We shot the 2017 Fusion and Escape last week. Both videos are currently in post-production.
when is that coming out
Any diy fuel for fcv yet❓
Best car , my dear what fuel cell stack ?
Really don't make sense. My Prius was $20k new. I get avg 48mpg, less than $20 to fill tank. approximately 400miles on one tank of gas. This Marai gets a little over 300 miles a tank and the car costs around $50k! A "possible $6 k tax break. With $15k rebate for fill ups. And cast nearly $30! For fill ups. You do the math, am I missing something other than its more environmentally better. If you subtract $6k tax rebate and $15k fuel incentive the Miria is at the very least a $30,000.00 if you keep it long enough to use all the fill up incentives. ??
Well Hydrogen can easily be produced directly in the "gas" station using electrolysis.
Where to refill the main issue // build the stations & they will come ???
312 miles for $27 of hydrogen seems reasonable enough // ~$0.09/ mi relatively cheap / not like a Nissan Leaf lol since electricity even cheaper & the regular Prius 45MPG & $4/gal also very inexpensive to operate ...
Good luck getting a person to pull a 3000lb metal safety cage 300mi for $30 pay lol
Also there are lots of emerging ways to make hydrogen aside from the thermal decomposition of natural gas as you mentioned / sustainable hydrogen will become a mainstay for hydrogen rocket fuel & for hydrogen to refill fuel cell electric vehicles like the Mirai
For $75K the Mirai seems like an early adopters hydrogen wet dream come true & since you can only buy & refuel them in CA, its really like a big beta test that Californians can get down on to try it out // fully electric seems like the best way forward for now / & fuel cells are perfect as electric car range extenders ^^ if they can get the costs of the fuel cell down by swapping out platinum for something more accessible, abundant, cheaper etc with similar good performance / it doesn't have to live on a space satellite for 20 years Toyota/ Honda/ Hyundai :P
need cost per mile compare to a 30 mpg at $3.00 /Gal. you should cut down on the jokes and sorry it is your job to "figure all that out" and what is the advantage of H35 for compaired to 70
wow $2 gas prices, those were the days
Awesome design 😍😍
free fuel just pay the 57k stickitto..saying cost 1200$ pper yyer oprt.. so maybe 10cm
Thumbs up for the car, the Japanese are masters of innovation.
Love the video.
You guys remember Pres Bush jr driving the first hydrogen car?
Cheaper to buy a model s then
Toyota doesn't seem to be thinking. The Model3 will start at 35,000 and you can 'refuel' it at home. Who's going to pay $58k even with rebates for something that is way more limited in fueling and costs way more?
MuffinMan0521 Elon musk just announced the model 3 will be released at about $70K. suck on that
polarizing styling? Maybe to you.
What car does he drive
are u a honda guy? im not gonna buy a mirai by just looking at this video
Hey buddy, you could have shown more of the car. Open the trunk, show the motors. Video was entertaining but not informative at all.
What is a Fuel Cell? The hydrogen will get back to life.
Anyone seen the XP-1 Hydrogen super car??