So dose that mean Gandalf is above sauron? Given Celebrimbor and tailon in possible future from shelob would have have been able to beat and dominate him taking his place
@@spinozilla2421 Saruon for reference had the Balrog as grunts in his army. He even had dragons in his army, which is why gandalf was concerned Smaug would side with Saruon. So no... Not even close lol.
This "balrog " in the game cant even handle the shit of a fucking normal balrog in terms of divinity ,presence, powers,abilities,knowledge ecc...............
I like how Tar Goroth actively speaks during both encounters, even if the game refuses to give any sort of translation. A good reminder the Balrogs are in fact sapient and not mindless monsters. I think he mentions Carnan’s name at least once, but that’s a given thanks to their history.
@@ShawndaPrawn Sapience is similar to wisdom. The lack of it in regards to the lake was most likely due to the game developers writing themselves into a corner with how they would subdue a balrog lol.
@@matthewmorgan5194 to be fair, the ice didn’t break on its own. Tar Goroth was only beaten thanks to Carnan, who I’m pretty sure is also a Maiar and evidently on par with him in terms of power.
Balrogs in lotr lore: Basically flame satan. Demons of an ancient world wielding swords and whips of flame, intelligent hellspaw casting cunning spells, a vague form cloaked in ash, ember, and death. Could just as easily beat you in chess as it could turn your body to charcoal on a mere whim. Truly a force no mortal being could ever hope to survive, and one many immortals would not either Balrogs in Lotr games: big scary demon lumberin around go rawr
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 yes the flame satan was exaggeration for effect not meant to be one to one, though if I recall it is never fully confirmed they were flame spirits but only speculated within the lore
@@skeetskeet7041 Balrog's are Maiar spirits corrupted by Melkor, the First Dark Lord and one of the Valar. Balrog's, Gandalf, and Sauron (alongside the other Istari/Wizards) are all the same species.
seems like everythings accounted for other than "could just as easily beat you in chess" but theyre are in the middle of a battle so their intellectual wit isn't on display
Well each balrog was roughly as competent as Sauron back when they were under morgoth i'd imagine, though Sauron is probably stronger than them by the time of the event of the War for the One Ring
Tar Goroth's design is so cool. It looks like Durins Bane but is different enough to look distinctly different. Carnans a cool character too kind of like Beorn, Radagast and Treebeard mixed into one
I also like how it looks like a mix between a book accurate and a Peter Jackson movie Balrog. It doesn't seem to have actual horns just a helmet that resembles Durin's Bane head and instead of physical wings it can manifest its wings like the whip.
I appreciate they made him look similar to Durin's Bane from the movies but the Balrogs are described as being wreathed in shadow and flame. A smoke effect covering his body would have went a long way.
Looks basically the same as Durin's Bane but wearing armor, i.e., helmet with horns, chest plate, gauntlets and greaves. I think they liked the Jackson Balrog (let's be honest--everyone did) and wanted to give their own some visual distinction; therefore, the addition of armor.
I think most people find it "Boring" and "Underwhelming" because it was mostly the spirit of Carnan fighting it. Let's be honest, did you expect to 1v1 him with Talion? It's awesome that they added a Balrog battle to the game but they had to have someone help you. The other option would just be dodging him and shooting weak points, then press control to mount him and do more damage, rinse and repeat. Is that any better?
Indeed he would Eat Talion for Breakfast i wish they somehow made it more interesting and have him more involved maybe be able to control him for a bit and have him "Harakiri" himself or at least hurt himself somehow :)
It would of been nice to have not Talion fight the balrog but celebrimbor link spiritually with Carnan through talion as a vessel and with that have a massive scrap, similar to gandalf fighting the balrog in the mountains.
@@mohammedosman5504 Or the main protagonist has perfect genetics or a demon inside him etc. Most Shonen anime basically devolves into who’s God and who isn’t LoL.
balrog could be the ultimate test, smart and strong, but the devs had to make him dumb. Such a cop out. Would be much cooler if he caught and drowned carnan in the water. Carnan is not canon anyway so kill this goddess or whatever they added anyway im getting offtrack. Then make it like after killing carnan he tried to kill us, and then we defeat it by pure luck somehow, maybe the ice crack or something... That would be much more intense, than us not even getting a scratch.
@@kanavkohli794 what you want him to be like one of those boss from dark souls..? Quick, intelligent, hard to parry and enough to make you rage quit..?!
thats because you actually fight him. if we cut all the other times we saw the balrog and only saw gandalf beating it then it definetely would not have the same base tone.
@@ori6990 well, it would've been boring to most audiences in the Fellowship of the Ring movie if they had to watch 15-20 mins to show how Gandalg fought his Balrog for several days, going from the bottom of the mountain river all the way to the highest peaks of Kirak Zigil (the tower scene where he kills the Balrog for those who don't know), and then with all of his remaining power stab the bastard with a lightning sword. I also need to point out that Gandalf fought this demon constantly during those days with a power handicap. You can pull that off in a game and make it look good but in a movie setting that is hard and may bore your audience.
I mean yea Gandalf is powerful beyond you and he fought one to a stand still and died carn is probably similar to the balrog being a nature spirit there was definitely no way you can bet a balrog alone even if you are banished from death “this foe is beyond us” is right
That comes down to the way they fell to their corruption. The Balrogs traded their purity for physical might and battle prowess, while Sauron and Morgoth gave it up for the power to dominate and control others, including the Balrogs (although it's a rather moot point whether or not they actually controlled the Balrogs directly, as their interests were aligned). In a 1v1 fight, the Balrogs would likely be able to destroy even Morgoth, but it would never come to that due to the nature of Morgoth's (and to a lesser extent, Sauron's) power. Which isn't to say Sauron was a pushover physically, he stood half again as tall as the tallest elf and it took the two greatest fighters of their time to bring him down, during which they tragically died.
Morgoth lost only 1v1 to Ungolianth. His Balrogs overpowered her and chased her away only because of greater numbers. And Ungolianth is not the most powerful creature in the Tolkien Legendarium. I'd say Ancalagon.
I hope they make another game or movie that includes tar goroth, and make him even scarier than the lotr balrog. Its cool that this one actually talked and seemed extremely menacing
@@luizclaudio6476Basically fallen Maiar, the same race as Gandalf and Sauron. Yep there essentially demons but they’re sentient, not just mindless monster.
Celebrimbor: No one can tame a Balrog Morgoth: well, maybe not, but you can make them follow you if you are dark enough Manwe: yep, if you do it you can cry for them to help you when needed Sauron: oooooh! Morgoth: you shut up, you were defeated by a human more than twice and not to mention that if it wasn't for my dragons in the grey mountains, Smaug in the lonely mountain and my balrog in moria you would have no shit of armies. rings... what kind of girly dark lord gifts rings... Eru iluvatar: ooooooh!
Balrogs and Dragons were common soldiers in Melkor's Army. In Sauron's Army, they're more like WMDs. When Melkor was captured by Ungoliant, he called forth an Army of Balrog to rescue him. The good news is that in that age, they had the technology, as well as there existing people were strong and badass enough to fight and defeat these beings. It does help that the Angels had a more active role in helping.
Without Morgoth, I don’t think Sauron has any power over the Balrogs. In the game’s story, he’s sent orcs to try to recruit Tar Goroth, which they fail to do. If there were any under his command, he’d probably have used them against Minas Tirith.
They would have been WMDs if Sauron could have ever persuaded one to fight for him. After Morgoth was banished, they all went into hiding and said fuck Middle Earth.
@@jonathanharris4871 as far as I remember it is not described as an "army" in the original text, but in any case it refers to between 3 and 7 balrogs. Tolkien considered more balrogs earlier in his writing, while later he decided differently, which explains some descriptions of there seemingly being more balrogs in stuff that was published posthumously. Look it up, it's fairly interesting. The literal quote is "There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 ever existed."
I have been trying for SO LONG to figure out where this balrog came from, and what all these “game cutscenes” were from, in the end I was put under the impression that it was some collab another game did, turns out it’s a WHOLE LOTR GAME THAT I NEVER FOUND
I love seeing the Balrog and was very excited to hear it was going to be in SoW. The fight, however, was quite underwhelming in my opinion, even a bit funny at times watching the robotic movements. I realize there is only so much you can do, but personally, I think it would have been perfect if they had a cut-scene introducing the Balrog and incorporating some mission where you lure it out into the path of the enemy and use it to your advantage, or along those lines. Going up against it with carnan really took away the size factor and made the Balrog much less intimidating and just another enemy to deal with. Nevertheless, i know i likely stand alone with my opinion, because most people just want more action and battles.
Man, Balrog was charging at him like a maniac earlier, but as soon as it knocks him down at 8:40 it just decides to start walking towards him menacingly.
Doesn't look as threatening as the Balrog of Moria. This one looks a lot more physical. The one in the movie looked partially elemental - which was more terrifying
This one's fire wasn't really at 100% i think because he JUST woke up from his slumver, While Durins Bane had been awake for a while now but was just galavanting around in the cave system. Also Balrogs have different ranks and roles.
The Two Towers; Chapter 5, The White Rider: 'Then tell us what you will, and time allows!' said Gimli. 'Come, Gandalf, tell us how you fared with the Balrog!' 'Name him not!' said Gandalf, and for a moment it seemed that a cloud of pain passed over his face, and he sat silent, looking old as death. 'Long time I fell,' he said at last, slowly, as if thinking back with difficulty. 'Long I fell, and he fell with me. His fire was about me. I was burned. Then we plunged into the deep water and all was dark. Cold it was as the tide of death: almost it froze my heart.' 'Deep is the abyss that is spanned by Durin's Bridge, and none has measured it,' said Gimli. 'Yet it has a bottom, beyond light and knowledge,' said Gandalf. 'Thither I came at last, to the uttermost foundations of stone. He was with me still. His fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake 'We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin's folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazaddûm: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.' 'Long has that been lost,' said Gimli. 'Many have said that it was never made save in legend, but others say that it was destroyed.'
So that's how maiar are killed, you dunk them in water and then they die. It happened to Gothmog, Durin's Bane, Saruman in the movie, Tar Goroth and I'm pretty sure Gandalf died of water damage after he threw down his his wet enemy and soaked his ruin on the mountain side. That's also why Sauron isn't technically dead; there was a lack of moisture
Balrog is a my favorite Lord of the Rings creature. While these missions were awesome. I was under the impression I would be able to summon that beautiful boy and decimate Uruks like its nothing. A shame, BUT its a fate I will accept.
Humble Jumble I imagine you are comparing it to the film and not the story. The one in the film is truly massive, and much larger than the one in the book.
idk, i'd say the one in the movies is pretty fair enough, a balrog is just about bigger than the largest elephants IRL , and they're pretty fkn tall :/
Well, it took undead ranger posessed by high elf spirit and another maia to take Tar-Goroth down, so he actually is stronger than the one Gandalf fought.
This is fucking *awesome.* Personally I prefer the original Quenya name for the Balrog; Valaraukar. I just think it sounds much cooler. And it's fitting for a demigod.
So the demon of flame decided to willingly fight over a frozen lake? Isn't that like Superman fighting over a vat of kryptonite? Like he could have just denied battle and went elsewhere to do his shit. He could have joined Sauron. He could have went and burned down Carnan's home. He literally could have done anything else, but he decided to engage over his biggest weakness. I cannot abide this level of stupidity -_-
Dude, that "thing" is awesome looking. As I said, an awesome concept for a boss! But the gameplay looks dull as hell... "Shoot it in the back. Quick time event! Run away and shoot icicles." Not the most fun boss I've ever seen.
I agree. I loved the design, but was really disappointed in all of the balrog fights. The cave chase was pretty good, but other than that, they were pretty boring.
And for the last part of the fight they suddenly have me ride a dragon-form for the first time and instead of a satisfying feeling climax to a boss fight I am struggeling with the spongy controls of that beast untill suddenly a cutscene kicks in and ends that mess. Not really cool,
Since it's Balrog, it might be talking on Melkorin, a Valarin dialect used by Morgoth and his followers, and later used by Sauron to create the Black Speech, for example "Ghashizik" - "ghash" means "fire" on Black Speech, I don't know how to translate "izik", but I think the whole word means "Burn!". But I have no clues for "Onguk nakhan".
I think the ''Onguks Nakhan'' part has something to do with END or ENDING. I say this as Sauron said something similar to Celebrimbor and the she-elf during the final boss fight, and the subtitles read ''Come to your end''. So the Balrog might have said ''I'll end you!'' or something like that. Not sure though....havent heard of an ''melkorian'' dialect of valarin either....
I wonder, if you could somehow get your hands on the horns of a balrog and make a composite bow like the Mongolians had I wonder if the bow would have magical properties or fire flaming or poison arrows or something?
'Fools. No one can tame a Balrog.' I can dominate Sauron though, with a she-elf. Its that easy. - Celebrimbor (a better example of the foolishness of the Elves there is no other) Whatever else may be wrong with this game, it does however reinforce the fact that no one other than the Hobbits could have destroyed the Ring. Great power attracts powerful beings, and so only the weak and simple may, ironically, defeat the strong. Wonderful concept and it is so relevant even today.
I thought this boos fight was fun and did a good job illustrating that the super powerful carnan and super powerful talion/celebrimbor could barely contain him
This boss fight really shows how strong Gandalf must've been to single handedly fight and kill a Balrog, even if he didn't survive.
They are the same Race of beings, so it's understandable, although they never truly "die"
So dose that mean Gandalf is above sauron? Given Celebrimbor and tailon in possible future from shelob would have have been able to beat and dominate him taking his place
@@spinozilla2421 Saruon for reference had the Balrog as grunts in his army. He even had dragons in his army, which is why gandalf was concerned Smaug would side with Saruon. So no... Not even close lol.
@@kamieaston3016 Sauron didn't ha e Balrogs in his army. His old boss Melkor did. Sauron did have dragons on occasion though.
This "balrog " in the game cant even handle the shit of a fucking normal balrog in terms of divinity ,presence, powers,abilities,knowledge ecc...............
I like how Tar Goroth actively speaks during both encounters, even if the game refuses to give any sort of translation. A good reminder the Balrogs are in fact sapient and not mindless monsters. I think he mentions Carnan’s name at least once, but that’s a given thanks to their history.
Although not sapient enough to realize standing in the middle of a frozen lake that’s destroyed all around him might be a bad idea lol.
@@matthewmorgan5194 to be fair, there’s a world of difference between sapience and intelligence.
@@ShawndaPrawn Sapience is similar to wisdom. The lack of it in regards to the lake was most likely due to the game developers writing themselves into a corner with how they would subdue a balrog lol.
One thing is that they have power, wisdom, AND can use spells, like the Istari/Wizards can, even if not reliant on them. Since they're both Maiar.
@@matthewmorgan5194 to be fair, the ice didn’t break on its own. Tar Goroth was only beaten thanks to Carnan, who I’m pretty sure is also a Maiar and evidently on par with him in terms of power.
Seriously, the Middle-earth series is already quite over the top, just let us ride the bloody Balrog.
doesen't matter, had burn-snu
that is coming in a DLC for the great price of just $49.99! Can't wait!
Nah, they gonna put a Balrog in a fucking lootbox, I tell you....
MMT399561 lootboxes aren't that important in this game tho
MMT399561 you cant just simply tame a balrog this guys are actually cunning
Balrogs in lotr lore: Basically flame satan. Demons of an ancient world wielding swords and whips of flame, intelligent hellspaw casting cunning spells, a vague form cloaked in ash, ember, and death. Could just as easily beat you in chess as it could turn your body to charcoal on a mere whim. Truly a force no mortal being could ever hope to survive, and one many immortals would not either
Balrogs in Lotr games: big scary demon lumberin around go rawr
If recall they were Originally fire spirits corrupted by the first dark lord
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 yes the flame satan was exaggeration for effect not meant to be one to one, though if I recall it is never fully confirmed they were flame spirits but only speculated within the lore
@@skeetskeet7041 hmm I thought it was confirmed no matter but yea you are right
@@skeetskeet7041 Balrog's are Maiar spirits corrupted by Melkor, the First Dark Lord and one of the Valar. Balrog's, Gandalf, and Sauron (alongside the other Istari/Wizards) are all the same species.
seems like everythings accounted for other than "could just as easily beat you in chess" but theyre are in the middle of a battle so their intellectual wit isn't on display
"Don't worry, we have a grass spirit"
"Celebrimbor, isn't fire super effective against grass types?"
"Stfu you nonce!"
XD
So true !
Yeah dry wood and grass. But good luck trying to burn living biomass. All you will get is tonns of smoke and amount of fire next to none.
That thing already looks like a Chesnaught. lol
i mean to be fair she did it before, maybe she had a water, rock or ground type attack
"What did it say?"
"Does it matter?"
I love Celebrimbor.
Black speech rules
He said "Your end has come".
He said wanna play fortnite
He said: "Relax dude"
"15 minutes can save you 15 percent or more on car insurance
"...a demon of the ancient world..." Is probably one of the best quotes from the whole trilogy, it's so evocative 😯
"No one could tame a balrog"
Me: well morgoth the first dark lord had armies of balrog who ride dragons
To be fair they were loyal to him before becoming Balrogs.
Humble Jumble even if that statement wasn't ignorant, remember that Morgoth was immensely powerful and created them.
Well each balrog was roughly as competent as Sauron back when they were under morgoth i'd imagine, though Sauron is probably stronger than them by the time of the event of the War for the One Ring
Jan Michael Vincent he did not create them, Tolkien specifically said that they were corrupted by him
Jan Michael Vincent The Valaraukar/balrogs were not created by Morgoth he corrupted them.
"Fools. No one can tame a Balrog."
Says the guy who later on tries to tame Sauron.
Well no one can. Except for maybe Morgoth. Balrogs are sentient tho.
Except they would’ve dominated Sauron, it’s what the new ring was for, shellob even tells you that would’ve happened if celebrimbor didn’t leave you.
Well he did manage to Tame Sauron, just WE changed the future and stopped him, to-do so.
Carnán: You woke him!
Talion: It was the orcs´fault, I swear!
As Celebrimbor nonchalantly fades out leaving Talion there like
"Wtf! I thought you had my back!" Lol
@@sgtpepper3161Celebrimbor quickly glancing at Talion and GTFO at 1:13 is just hilarius
“This foe is beyond us, Celebrimbor”
Translation: dude we’re fucked
Tar Goroth's design is so cool. It looks like Durins Bane but is different enough to look distinctly different. Carnans a cool character too kind of like Beorn, Radagast and Treebeard mixed into one
I also like how it looks like a mix between a book accurate and a Peter Jackson movie Balrog. It doesn't seem to have actual horns just a helmet that resembles Durin's Bane head and instead of physical wings it can manifest its wings like the whip.
I appreciate they made him look similar to Durin's Bane from the movies but the Balrogs are described as being wreathed in shadow and flame. A smoke effect covering his body would have went a long way.
Looks basically the same as Durin's Bane but wearing armor, i.e., helmet with horns, chest plate, gauntlets and greaves. I think they liked the Jackson Balrog (let's be honest--everyone did) and wanted to give their own some visual distinction; therefore, the addition of armor.
@@chrsn It also looks more bulky and its skin is not covered in fire as much, and the wings of course.
Imagine how fucking cool it would be if we could dominate the balrog...
Perfection...
Overkill
sadly no elven spirit no matter how powerful can dominate a literal fallen angel
With the Celebrimbor's ring of power, possibly..
Dont forget the Balrogs were made from Morgoth ;)
I think most people find it "Boring" and "Underwhelming" because it was mostly the spirit of Carnan fighting it. Let's be honest, did you expect to 1v1 him with Talion? It's awesome that they added a Balrog battle to the game but they had to have someone help you. The other option would just be dodging him and shooting weak points, then press control to mount him and do more damage, rinse and repeat. Is that any better?
Or you know...Shadow of the Colossus style.
The Villain a balrog ain’t slow like the colossi
Indeed he would Eat Talion for Breakfast i wish they somehow made it more interesting and have him more involved maybe be able to control him for a bit and have him "Harakiri" himself or at least hurt himself somehow :)
It would of been nice to have not Talion fight the balrog but celebrimbor link spiritually with Carnan through talion as a vessel and with that have a massive scrap, similar to gandalf fighting the balrog in the mountains.
or you know... dark souls style. actually fun and challenging
This is exactly what Batman felt like in the BVS Doomsday fight... LMAO
M Huh
Oh, shit...
Loll
Also any anime character that’s not the main protagonist.
@@CaptainKotetsu That because most use power of friendships.
@@mohammedosman5504 Or the main protagonist has perfect genetics or a demon inside him etc. Most Shonen anime basically devolves into who’s God and who isn’t LoL.
For those interested;
Tar Gorgoth means King of Dread.
Not an unusual name for a foul creature like this.
I'm a being of fire. I'll just stand for the next hour or so on a frozen lake..... what's the worst that could happen??
I thought the Same ,First time he crawled Out of the Lake i thought now i gets it He will Fight on another Spot but He Just dont care 😂
balrog could be the ultimate test, smart and strong, but the devs had to make him dumb. Such a cop out. Would be much cooler if he caught and drowned carnan in the water. Carnan is not canon anyway so kill this goddess or whatever they added anyway im getting offtrack. Then make it like after killing carnan he tried to kill us, and then we defeat it by pure luck somehow, maybe the ice crack or something... That would be much more intense, than us not even getting a scratch.
@@kanavkohli794 what you want him to be like one of those boss from dark souls..? Quick, intelligent, hard to parry and enough to make you rage quit..?!
@@xananymous431 Yes!
so, this is where the last witch of crochback bog went after the witcher 3
That means Talions been tricked. Better call Geralt.
Lol same voice actress?
she sounds exactly the same.
I really want to believe that the humans in The Witcher universe came from The Lord of the Rings universe during the conjunction of spheres.
Crochback bog lmao
8:58 He's like "Im gonna need a bigger sword."
GhostWalker lol good one😂😂😂😂😂
this Balrog sounds weak. the one in the movie has such a base tone to it, this one is just hissing.
thats because you actually fight him. if we cut all the other times we saw the balrog and only saw gandalf beating it then it definetely would not have the same base tone.
Bun Bun you do know what he means by _sound_ and _tone_ right?
I mean they don’t exactly have a movie budget here dude.
TheScaryBerry I don’t think it costs so much to change his voice.
@@ori6990 well, it would've been boring to most audiences in the Fellowship of the Ring movie if they had to watch 15-20 mins to show how Gandalg fought his Balrog for several days, going from the bottom of the mountain river all the way to the highest peaks of Kirak Zigil (the tower scene where he kills the Balrog for those who don't know), and then with all of his remaining power stab the bastard with a lightning sword. I also need to point out that Gandalf fought this demon constantly during those days with a power handicap. You can pull that off in a game and make it look good but in a movie setting that is hard and may bore your audience.
That was a cool part of the game. Gameplay in SoW was always smooth and enjoyable.
Giant, heavy firedemon walks onto a frozen lake: "This is a fine spot for me."
Gandalf: Hold my wizard hat.🎩
They nerfed the balrog Hella much in this game
This boss fight wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. Totally worth finishing these quests to ride a drake, tho.
I just realized...both of this boss fights are you watching two kaijus fighting
I mean yea Gandalf is powerful beyond you and he fought one to a stand still and died carn is probably similar to the balrog being a nature spirit there was definitely no way you can bet a balrog alone even if you are banished from death “this foe is beyond us” is right
That orc's face saying "Uhm, maybe I shouldn't have done this" at 0:34 is priceless
I remember first playing this and was like “ohhh shit, a Balrog!” Haha no but this boss fight was really fun, this whole game was really well done
“Fools. Noone can tame Balrog” - Yet he tried to make Sauron yield.
This is why you dont listen to elfs they say someone is dumb and lose their smarts
Hubris is fun
Fitting for his character. He’s kind of an ass
You do know that with Talion at his side he would have succeeded right?
In shellobs vision you do dominate sauron...
Those nut shots to the balrog though...
So you can 1v1 Sauron but cannot 1v1 balrog? M'yeah right.
That comes down to the way they fell to their corruption. The Balrogs traded their purity for physical might and battle prowess, while Sauron and Morgoth gave it up for the power to dominate and control others, including the Balrogs (although it's a rather moot point whether or not they actually controlled the Balrogs directly, as their interests were aligned). In a 1v1 fight, the Balrogs would likely be able to destroy even Morgoth, but it would never come to that due to the nature of Morgoth's (and to a lesser extent, Sauron's) power. Which isn't to say Sauron was a pushover physically, he stood half again as tall as the tallest elf and it took the two greatest fighters of their time to bring him down, during which they tragically died.
Gandalf was able to slay a balrog. While Sauron dominated him easily.
Morgoth lost only 1v1 to Ungolianth. His Balrogs overpowered her and chased her away only because of greater numbers. And Ungolianth is not the most powerful creature in the Tolkien Legendarium.
I'd say Ancalagon.
looks about right (imo)
there is no form of ungoliath that would defeat manwe in 1v1. balrogs are overrated, it took 9 of them to down single mad Feanor.
I hope they make another game or movie that includes tar goroth, and make him even scarier than the lotr balrog. Its cool that this one actually talked and seemed extremely menacing
Tar goroth/balrog are demons?
@@luizclaudio6476Basically fallen Maiar, the same race as Gandalf and Sauron. Yep there essentially demons but they’re sentient, not just mindless monster.
3:54 And Carnan just viciously pummels the balrog right in his "tower of sauron"
Underrated comment
XD
Careful, that thing can kill a Gandalf
0:23 Wait, that's Mimir, the smartest man alive!
Pedro Ramos Atıldı good ears you have sir
Also Senator “I eat bullets and shit danger” Armstrong
Goroth/balrog are demons?
@@luizclaudio6476 Kind of. They were Maiar that were seduced and corrupted by Melkor into his service.
Celebrimbor: We have the grass spirit
Me: FIRE SETS GRASS ON FIRE YOU IDIOT!
maximaldinotrap don’t worry we got an ice lake
Celebrimbor: No one can tame a Balrog
Morgoth: well, maybe not, but you can make them follow you if you are dark enough
Manwe: yep, if you do it you can cry for them to help you when needed
Sauron: oooooh!
Morgoth: you shut up, you were defeated by a human more than twice and not to mention that if it wasn't for my dragons in the grey mountains, Smaug in the lonely mountain and my balrog in moria you would have no shit of armies. rings... what kind of girly dark lord gifts rings...
Eru iluvatar: ooooooh!
Balrogs and Dragons were common soldiers in Melkor's Army. In Sauron's Army, they're more like WMDs. When Melkor was captured by Ungoliant, he called forth an Army of Balrog to rescue him.
The good news is that in that age, they had the technology, as well as there existing people were strong and badass enough to fight and defeat these beings. It does help that the Angels had a more active role in helping.
Without Morgoth, I don’t think Sauron has any power over the Balrogs. In the game’s story, he’s sent orcs to try to recruit Tar Goroth, which they fail to do. If there were any under his command, he’d probably have used them against Minas Tirith.
They would have been WMDs if Sauron could have ever persuaded one to fight for him. After Morgoth was banished, they all went into hiding and said fuck Middle Earth.
Even in morgoths army, there are only considered to have ever been between 3 and 8 balrogs.
@@FrenkieWest32 Then how did he summon an army of them to save him against Ungolith?
@@jonathanharris4871 as far as I remember it is not described as an "army" in the original text, but in any case it refers to between 3 and 7 balrogs. Tolkien considered more balrogs earlier in his writing, while later he decided differently, which explains some descriptions of there seemingly being more balrogs in stuff that was published posthumously. Look it up, it's fairly interesting. The literal quote is "There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 ever existed."
3:56 I thought the Balrog said "Shadman" and I got scared...
I have been trying for SO LONG to figure out where this balrog came from, and what all these “game cutscenes” were from, in the end I was put under the impression that it was some collab another game did, turns out it’s a WHOLE LOTR GAME THAT I NEVER FOUND
I just love the fact those Orc fellas tried to tame a sentient being that bows only to Morgoth.
Such a memorable and amazing gaming experience
my first reaction "Man, i really miss my estoc on DS..."
irfan pradana I miss my fat roll too.
Came here cause I seriously thought I was supposed to somehow murder it with my sword
I love seeing the Balrog and was very excited to hear it was going to be in SoW.
The fight, however, was quite underwhelming in my opinion, even a bit funny at times watching the robotic movements. I realize there is only so much you can do, but personally, I think it would have been perfect if they had a cut-scene introducing the Balrog and incorporating some mission where you lure it out into the path of the enemy and use it to your advantage, or along those lines.
Going up against it with carnan really took away the size factor and made the Balrog much less intimidating and just another enemy to deal with. Nevertheless, i know i likely stand alone with my opinion, because most people just want more action and battles.
From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak I fought the Balrog of Morgoth.
Man, Balrog was charging at him like a maniac earlier, but as soon as it knocks him down at 8:40 it just decides to start walking towards him menacingly.
This game is just a masterpiece it had the best bosses I've ever played
You should play Bloodborne then.
@@aeoyndjuric1679 you don´t roll in bloodborne
I appreciate that the game doesn't pretend for a minute that we can defeat a Balrog without help from something much stronger.
I mean
I really wanted to partake in single combat
Feanor, Fingolfin, Fingon, Glorfindel, and Ecthelion would like a word.
Doesn't look as threatening as the Balrog of Moria.
This one looks a lot more physical. The one in the movie looked partially elemental - which was more terrifying
This one's fire wasn't really at 100% i think because he JUST woke up from his slumver, While Durins Bane had been awake for a while now but was just galavanting around in the cave system.
Also Balrogs have different ranks and roles.
"Fools,no one can tame a Balrog"
Gandalf:
"Hold my beer"
With all due respect my friend, Gandalf KILLED a Balrog, not tamed one. Or I'm a fool and it was only a joke.
@@kanbablack5877 yep it was a joke😁no prob my friend🙏
There should a game or a movie of Silmarillion. I would love to see a bad ass elven warrior like Ecthelion take on Balrog in a one on one fight
Read the books balrogs become creatures of slime when in water
Yes they were incredibly intelligent beings that are thousands of years old
no, it's the warlocks who dissolve into slime, just like elves and the hobbit abominations.
mufenman42 they were clever to not show the scene were Gandalf and the balrog fall into the water.
The Two Towers; Chapter 5, The White Rider:
'Then tell us what you will, and time allows!' said Gimli. 'Come, Gandalf, tell us how you fared with the Balrog!'
'Name him not!' said Gandalf, and for a moment it seemed that a cloud of pain passed over his face, and he sat silent, looking old as death. 'Long time I fell,' he said at last, slowly, as if thinking back with difficulty. 'Long I fell, and he fell with me. His fire was about me. I was burned. Then we plunged into the deep water and all was dark. Cold it was as the tide of death: almost it froze my heart.'
'Deep is the abyss that is spanned by Durin's Bridge, and none has measured it,' said Gimli.
'Yet it has a bottom, beyond light and knowledge,' said Gandalf. 'Thither I came at last, to the uttermost foundations of stone. He was with me still. His fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake 'We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin's folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazaddûm: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.'
'Long has that been lost,' said Gimli. 'Many have said that it was never made save in legend, but others say that it was destroyed.'
@@Silver-505 Thank you
"Fools no one can take on a Barlog."
Melkor beyond the Walls of Night-
'I beg to differ sir.'
I imagine this is how Gothmog, the chieftain of the Balrogs during the first age would look like.
would have had a battle axe
And he would be even more badass I guess
Gothmog was the lord of balrogs! He rode a dragon to war!
Majority of Balrogs during, Morgoth's reign of terror rode dragons in battle...
I always imagine gothmog twice as big as other balrogs, including this one
So that's how maiar are killed, you dunk them in water and then they die.
It happened to Gothmog, Durin's Bane, Saruman in the movie, Tar Goroth and I'm pretty sure Gandalf died of water damage after he threw down his his wet enemy and soaked his ruin on the mountain side.
That's also why Sauron isn't technically dead; there was a lack of moisture
"soaked his ruin on the mountainside" 💀😂💀😂💀😂
The most EPIC videogame I have ever played!!! Well done Monolith!!! Continue your unexpected journey through Tolkien's legenderium, Middle-Earth!!!
this game has such an amazing score
Nobody:
Litteraly nobody:
Grandalf: You shaaaalll notttt passsss!!!
Balrog is a my favorite Lord of the Rings creature. While these missions were awesome. I was under the impression I would be able to summon that beautiful boy and decimate Uruks like its nothing.
A shame, BUT its a fate I will accept.
YOOOOOO
I remember playing this dude in LOTR: Conquest 😩
Best LOTR game. Don’t @ me.
This is *NOT* the same balrog
you are thinking of Durins Bane this is Tar Goroth
If they would make a remake of this game i would melt
Love or hate the lore of this game, NO ONE can deny how FUCKING BADASS THE DESIGN AND ARMOR OF THE BALROG IS. I mean holy shit, that’s wicked.
Yeaah.
He should have been smart and walked away from the frozen lake.
To.
Anyone noticed this Balrog’s design is actually a nod to a debate fans have had for years over whether or not do Balrogs have wings
8:49 Yes, it matters to me. I wanna know what he's saying
I love me some game cutscenes, i'd love to see some full length feature films in video game graphics :3
Wow that balrog was suppose to be a lot stronger than the balrog that gandalf fought at the mines of moria and they ruined it
Humble Jumble I imagine you are comparing it to the film and not the story. The one in the film is truly massive, and much larger than the one in the book.
idk, i'd say the one in the movies is pretty fair enough, a balrog is just about bigger than the largest elephants IRL , and they're pretty fkn tall :/
They're not that tall. They should be around 14-18 feet tall, not like in the movie.
Well, it took undead ranger posessed by high elf spirit and another maia to take Tar-Goroth down, so he actually is stronger than the one Gandalf fought.
Глеб Каменский *with the power of the new ring
It's not unrealistic that they won, it's just that the game fight is shit
Dude this brings back memory’s
So will the Balrog destroy Carnan's body if you take too long to attack him in the first phase?
dragonstormx try it and make a video
Is it just me or carnan sounds like one of the crones from the witcher 3
This is fucking *awesome.*
Personally I prefer the original Quenya name for the Balrog; Valaraukar. I just think it sounds much cooler. And it's fitting for a demigod.
I'm not a gamer, but I really appreciate how influenced this is by the Peter Jackson films.
So the demon of flame decided to willingly fight over a frozen lake? Isn't that like Superman fighting over a vat of kryptonite? Like he could have just denied battle and went elsewhere to do his shit. He could have joined Sauron. He could have went and burned down Carnan's home. He literally could have done anything else, but he decided to engage over his biggest weakness. I cannot abide this level of stupidity -_-
you actually bait him there.
Is water actually his weakness ? Balrogs look just represents his emotions, its power is in his godlike spirit.
Water isn't actually a problem for Balrogs. Durin's Bane fought Gandalf over a period of two weeks and died with his flames ignited.
Mortanius in Middle Earth? Now that's a crossover I can get behind!
Gandalf went on a 1v1 with this thing LMAO
"Tom, if you're out there I could use some help..."
*faint in the distance* "ohhh my yellow boots!"
What a boring looking boss for such an epic concept of a Balrog...
Aldrin you must be either blind or hating if you think that "thing" is boring looking
Dude, that "thing" is awesome looking. As I said, an awesome concept for a boss!
But the gameplay looks dull as hell... "Shoot it in the back. Quick time event! Run away and shoot icicles." Not the most fun boss I've ever seen.
I agree. I loved the design, but was really disappointed in all of the balrog fights. The cave chase was pretty good, but other than that, they were pretty boring.
And for the last part of the fight they suddenly have me ride a dragon-form for the first time and instead of a satisfying feeling climax to a boss fight I am struggeling with the spongy controls of that beast untill suddenly a cutscene kicks in and ends that mess. Not really cool,
Also true. Went from epic battle to "How do I control this fucking thing?"
This is the best action fighting game ever waiting for it to return ps5 early
Does anybody know what the balrog said to talion curios what it said
Since it's Balrog, it might be talking on Melkorin, a Valarin dialect used by Morgoth and his followers, and later used by Sauron to create the Black Speech, for example "Ghashizik" - "ghash" means "fire" on Black Speech, I don't know how to translate "izik", but I think the whole word means "Burn!". But I have no clues for "Onguk nakhan".
I think the ''Onguks Nakhan'' part has something to do with END or ENDING. I say this as Sauron said something similar to Celebrimbor and the she-elf during the final boss fight, and the subtitles read ''Come to your end''. So the Balrog might have said ''I'll end you!'' or something like that. Not sure though....havent heard of an ''melkorian'' dialect of valarin either....
I know Balrog's don't have wings, but i'm so glad that the movies and the game give it to them.
Jrr Tolkien would hate this a balrog is a maia spirit same as Gandalf or sauron not some wild beast
He isn't though ?? He is taunting you in black speech the entire fight.
I wonder, if you could somehow get your hands on the horns of a balrog and make a composite bow like the Mongolians had I wonder if the bow would have magical properties or fire flaming or poison arrows or something?
Am I the only one who finds Carnan's voice/ accent *really* annoying?
I love her voice, honestly. Very archaic.
An older Celtic accent. She's a forest spirit so Celtic influences make a lot of sense, there was a purpose
@@11DaltonB Sounds Norwegian
Sounds like the crones of witcher 3
@@miqseri ?
'Fools. No one can tame a Balrog.'
I can dominate Sauron though, with a she-elf. Its that easy. - Celebrimbor (a better example of the foolishness of the Elves there is no other)
Whatever else may be wrong with this game, it does however reinforce the fact that no one other than the Hobbits could have destroyed the Ring. Great power attracts powerful beings, and so only the weak and simple may, ironically, defeat the strong. Wonderful concept and it is so relevant even today.
But...um...Frodo failed. Sauron was right.
"now legendary loot boxes include legendary ultra super rare balrog overlord for 299.99" EA probably
I love your videos boss fight database
Frank Flint aap
Listening to DOOM Eternal combat tracks while watching videos on the Balrog. Keep dreaming of the Doom Slayer vs The Balrog.
10:36 my kitty when i guve her a bath
Lmao
I'm getting the whole middle earth game series exists as a massive kick in the teeth to the lore
was anybody else terrified throughout most of this fight?
I'm terrified right now by watching it.
Gotta say love how the Balrog just hobbles away after he burn/tore the Wood Gruag Bitch's head.
Eat your heart out Gandalf!!
Earth General not really
That balrog was twice this one’s size
Also Gandalf is essentially a god
And also this isn’t canon
QuiteDaPlayer_ Gandalf really isn’t.
He is super powerful, but there are plenty of others who are WAY more powerful than him.
True Dat
Yup although In Gray form,he was definately far from Godlike and could get his ass kicked on occassion :)
I thought this boos fight was fun and did a good job illustrating that the super powerful carnan and super powerful talion/celebrimbor could barely contain him
Talion: "This foe is beyond us"
Celebrimbor: "not with the spirit of Carnan by our side"
Carnan: "..." *Doesn't show up*
(Giant tarantula from Earth vs the spider rolls up)
me: Challenge accepted (cue balrog)
Why do they get the pronunciation wrong? It's Balrog (AL) not (ALL)
"Fools. No one can tame a Balrog." Morgoth: "Is this a joke?"
fight was underwhelming and easy as hell even on nemesis mode. this game is actually overall underwhelming.
no u
No u
but but L O O T B O X E S
Same is true for almost every rpg including witcher 3
I love the game personally!
I literally just came to this video, to make sure that the Balrog was getting hit right in the pecker at 03:53
This game makes a mockery of the books. Even goes as far as to steal dialogue directly.
thank you.
I love the way the Balrog turns around and owns those orcs..
I remeber when it took a god like wizard to kill a balrog.
How is this any different? This one got killed by a God like spirit.
Yeah this time it only took a nature spirit, a frozen lake, an undead elf, and a ranger who literally can’t die to stop it.