Grail Country with Jordan Hall Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- We warmed up with a little banter about RPGs and moved into a conversation about freedom, love and creativity. We hope to do a follow up soon, as we really were just getting warmed up.
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Starts with D&D and goes deep into territory that 'the church' should really be discussing if our faith is going to achieve anything of note in this world!
Hope comes from a deeper place than Faith, both leading towards Love. ❤️
I needed to hear that.
A lot of everything else flew over my head... But this was gold 🏆
I have to say - Shari and Nate: you two are so so great at crafting (creating) a conversation. And Jordan, you’re right there with everyone - you reach dialogs on every channel you hop onto. As for me, I’m just super grateful I happened to run across you all
Thank you Justin!
18:02 property concept of freedom. This is flowing through tlc and my thinking. It’s part of the authentic/sincere discussion.
Re: True Freedom
In the words of Wendell Berry,
“So, friends, every day do something that won’t compute. Love the Lord. Love the world. Work for nothing. Take all that you have and be poor. Love someone who does not deserve it. Practice Resurrection.”
47:00 unity/intimacy
🎶”Bring me a higher love..”
They is always an implicit unity behind any distinction.
Freedom - *to* (to flourish, and in order to flourish you need to learn how to reach that level)
Never played Dungeons & Dragons but I've read about 50 books from that realm and I found it positively enchanting
My faith isn't absence or some vain hope, it is things seen and hope realized. Faith must be justified.
Despite my screw up... I really loved this conversation... y'all have a lot more to continue with
Love you Lance! And love the edits! 😂
@@shari6063 thank you lol
11:48 Don't tell me how to parent!
Hope. Yup.
Edit: Faith. Yup.
We can’t talk about the anachronism of either.
My actions are evidence of faith, full stop. What I do shows you what I trust, have faith in, believe to be true. Not propositionally but embodied. Every action aims at an outcome, and that outcome is that which is hoped for. In any action resources are put at risk, in faith aimed at a hope. Sacrificed in faith toward a hope. That's action as a aimed or targeted or purposeful being.
Faith -> Love(Charity/Sacrifice) -> Hope. This is the fundamental ground of human action, activity.
excellent....( and your throw for wisdom is a 13. )
Oh, nice! Listening now.
47:04 intimacy requires vulnerability of the elements in the relational. Meaning, the elements are open to being changed by the other.
Yes, more RPG talk is always welcome!
32:00 “the distinguishable unity” the unity is in the perceiver, the person, who is naming. The unity is through him who names
We were playing pre-D&D in college on the school computer, via teletype text, against the algo.
What game specifically? To my knowledge none of those games existed prior to 1974 when D&D was published.
@@grailcountry Hunt the Wumpus
Where can I find the Eckhart concept of astray mentioned at 17:09?
It is found in this poem……
The Grain of Mustard Seed
When all began
(beyond mind’s span)
The word aye “is”
oh what bliss
When source at first gave birth to source
Oh Father’s heart
From which did start
That same Word:
Yet ‘tis averred
The Word’s still kept in womb perforce.
From both doth flow
A loving glow:
In double troth known to both
Comes forth from them the Holy Ghost,
of equal state
inseparate
The three are one:
Who grasps it? None!
Itself it knows itself the most.
The threefold clasp
we cannot grasp,
the circle’s span
no mind can scan:
for here’s a mystery fathomless:
Check and mate!
Time, form, estate!
The wondrous ring
holds everything,
Its central point stands motionless.
The peak sublime
deedless climb
if thou art wise!
Thy way then lies
Through desert very strange to see,
so deep, so wide,
no bound’s descried.
This desert’s bare
Of “Then” or “There”
In modeless singularity.
This desert place
no foot did pace,
no creature mind
Ingress can find.
It “is”, yet truly none knows what.
‘Tis there, “tis here,
‘tis far, ‘tis near,
‘tis high, ‘tis low,
yet all we know
is: “This” it’s not and “That” it’s not.
It’s clear and bright
it’s dark as night;
no name or sign
can it define,
beginningless, of ceasing free.
Immobile bare, ‘tis flowing there.
Where it may dwell
whoso can tell,
should teach us what it’s form may be.
As a child become
both blind and dumb.
Thy own self’s aught
must turn to naught.
Both aught and naught Thou must reject,
without a trace
of image, time, or space.
Go quite astray
the pathless way
the desert thou mayst then detect.
My soul within,
come out, God in!
Sink all my aught
in God’s own naught,
sink down in bottomless abyss.
Should I flee thee,
thou wilt come to me;
when Self is done,
then Thou art won,
thou transcendental highest bliss.
@@shari6063 thank you so much! This conversation really resonated with me. This is something I've been contemplating as a cycle of going "astray" in the Greek sense of anagoge to reconcile with a higher truth. We are the one sheep leaving the 99 so we can encounter the Shepard on our own in new and profound ways.
Made in God's image is, in some ways, mean we contain the universe. Naming things to create harmony(good order).
"...we teach kids language to name things as nouns. There are no nouns, right? Call it "tree"...billions of biochemical interactions and biological interactions and physical interactions that give rise to that thing. It's a process, right? You are a process. All the things that you think of as nouns [seem this way] because you're not observing very well." -D Schmachtenberger
30:45 I think before the name, it isn’t in relationality to the person. So with consciousness being centric, then yes, it does not yet exist
Ooo mild epiphany I just had: before the name, the relationality is uni-directional- the “thing” can harm/threaten you, but until the name, you are not in relationality to IT.
Naming is the conscious positioning of relationality of oneself to the thing
30:18 - when you name something it becomes part of the story
Whose story?
@@Neal_Daedalus do stories really have owners?
@@GrimGriz owner? Or participant? But i would say, the perceiver has to be first, before there is something to perceive
Are there any book clubs/groups in TLC focusing on George MacDonald?
I've dedicated this year to only reading him, and would love some people to talk about it with.
I've heard Shari and Luke draw from his work recently.
Hey Cord! Grail Country has a discord server and a couple of us are planning to read Lilith later in the summer. Would love it if you joined us!
And I also went through his two Imagination essays here on this channel, if you’re interested.
Thanks, Shari.
Yes I’d love an invite to that server and I’ll read along.
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The 2020 version was after my time :p
CP 2013 was in 1989 and CP2020 was 1991. You ain't that old.
I agree, Nate. I do not believe God created out of nothing per se. I think he created from his imagination the way an author does a novel
Creation Ex Nihilo is the other side of the coin of Creation Ex Deo 🙂🦅✨
@@andyramirez6016 how would you define creation Ex Nihilo?
an omnipotent and omniscient being would create everything and every possibility just by imagining. if god can imagine it, it happens and since god can imagine anything, everything happens. that means things like alternate universes are all reality, somehwere