Thank you for educating me on the difference between traditional wadding and Flite-Control. I wasn’t convinced it wasn’t just a marketing ploy until watching your informative video. Good stuff! Grace and Peace 😊
This is the best practical demonstration of the Flitecontrol v normal wad on You Tube. Congratulations! It would be really interesting to try different chokes at say 35, 40 and 50 yards on those Flitecontrol cartridges.
I heard that the flite control doesn't like to be used with chokes cause it makes the wad to get separated from the shot. It does help quite a bit with the regular Remmington to use a modified or full choke.
@Virus world A choke is a threaded tube that is screwed into the end of a shotgun barrel to modify the diameter of the end of the barrel. Chokes tend to work like a funnel pushing the pellets closer together so that when they leave the barrel the pellets spread less.
Different chokes are more or less restrictive. A Cylinder bore is just a unchoked barrel. Improved Cylinder is slightly smaller than Cylinder bore. Modified is smaller than Improved Cylinder and Full choke is the smallest choke commonly used.
Shotguns can have removable chokes that you can change them but others have built in chokes that cannot be removed. Most self defense shotguns dont have removable chokes and typically are Cylinder bore or Modified.
LOTS OF VARIABLES: barrel length, shot weight, shot size,chokes, wad design, buffers -great demo gives a starting point and saves us time and money thank you!
Great video, I reload shotgun shells. Several years ago I reloaded some double ought buck. Took them to the range shot them at cardboard targets 50 yards away. I was disappointed that only two 33cal shot hit the target. I didn’t put any fillers (buffers) around the shot , your video has renewed my interest in the double ought buck.
In my 61 years on this rock most of my shooting has been with hand guns and rifles. Not until a few years ago when I bought a combat shotgun with a cylinder bore did I find any interest at all in buckshot. Now I've probably passed the thousand round mark with both factory and reloads in all kinds and sizes of buckshot. The Federal Flight Control is unbeatable in a combat shotgun. They really got it right! I get very similar results that you did with my Mossberg 930 SPX with twenty inch tube, cylinder bore. I would have to rate your video as Great! To many concentrate on in the house ranges, which for the most part prove nothing and fumble around with gloved hands which I find as just plain crazy unless it is ten below zero or something. They might as well wear a welding helmet too. LOL! I have two favorite or carry loads now you might want to try in the future. One is the excellent LE 132-1B load of fifteen pellets of number one buck. The other is the three inch twelve pellet Flight Control load which out of my gun is still plenty effective out to the fifty yard mark averaging seven hits on a coyote size target at that range. You may already know that the flight control wads are NOT all the same, they are different in almost every load Federal makes. I wish they would release a General, Standard, Average, for a better way to describe it flight control wad for us reloaders to experiment with. I think some great loads could come from that. Once again, Great video!
Thank you. I am certainly interested in testing the loads you mentioned. I enjoy reading well thought out comments like yours and I appreciate having guys like you around the channel, I have learned more from the comments section of my videos than most would think. I may dig up as many different types of buck shot as I can over the next couple months and put together a more inclusive patterning video this spring.
I've been shooting shotguns for over thirty years but today 29th January 2019 is the first time I've ever used buckshot (can't get it where I live till today) and wow what a great round before the best I could get was Remington 3inch heavy field round the buckshot actually has less recoil much to my surprise but again WOW what a great round
@Travis Thacker Most Factory loaded Buckshot is undesized for its nominal stated size . 00B is usually +/- .320 , with Hornady running .315-ish . This isn't necessarily meant to be deceptive , nor meaningfully short changing customers . Due to physics and dimensions , " true sized" buckshot won't stack in expected layers, if a shot cup of substantial wall thickness . And the users are most definitely better served by the tighter patterns achieved with proper wads .
The Federal Flight Control is impressive. I use the Hornady Critical Defense with the Verstite wad and it seems to give similar results. Thank you for the video.
Thanks, this was very helpful. Just bought some of this along with the similar Critical Defense rounds to pattern in my 870 as soon as spring hits. Excellent presentation as well.
Just another well thought out great video Buffalo.Thanks for taking the time to show us how well the buckshot works and Happy New Year to you and your family.
I didn't realize that the Remington stuff was buffered until I actually opened it up. I was glad it was for the video's sake though because that left the one major component that effects the pattern, the wad, being the only difference between the rounds. So we got a good comparison, at least in my mind. That being said I wish I would have had some non buffered stuff to throw in the mix. That sounds like another video to me. Buffered vs non-buffered. Have you guys done that one? You have so many great videos it's hard to keep track!
Hey Buffalo, first time I've seen any of your videos and I picked this one on purpose. First off, I own a Mossberg 88 and for the budget price it is all I need to protect my family against that awful day, heaven forbid, but like this one guy said, "Don't train for 'what if's, but for 'when thens'" I was one of those guys who didn't think I needed a gun but partner, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that every law abiding citizen has a duty to arm themselves. Your video answered a question in my mind about using regular or flite control wad. In a middle of the night situation, and seeing just how tight that pattern was, I have decided to not use the flite control for home defense purposes. Thanks, all the best!
Hi Buffalo. Looks like the Federal flite control ammo is the best for hunting while the Remington is a better self defense round. The reason is because buckshot spreading is to be desired in a self defense shotgun which increases hit probability when dealing with a dynamic target. If someone really wants a tight group they can use a rifled slug.
Great video! After looking for months I finally found 10 boxes of Federal Premium Law Enforcement 00 Buck 50rds for $80 (not sure what the difference is to the Premium Vital Shock but I think the Law Enforcement is probably low recoil and a bit less velocity otherwise its the same). I wish I could find the same load in #4 Buck though.
Great video, very educational, thank you very much for sharing. I hope Federal gives you a cut of all the ammo you are selling for them! Federal, pay this man!
Always enjoy your presentations with your down to earth videos. I recently purchased a Mossberg 930 JM PRO 9+1 24" with screw in chokes. It's mainly for home defense but I'm hoping to do a little hog hunting with it here in Florida. I have it loaded with the Federal now and found this particular video very informative. ROCK ON BROTHER.
Well done. I have become a devotee of the Federal Flitecontrol . It just makes sense for home defense, especially in a residential area like mine. Thank you!
These are the two brands of Buckshot that I keep on hand. I like the Remington in single ought and double ought, been shooting it for years, then I have the Federal Law Enforcement 00 Buckshot with the Flite Control Wadding. With the Federal Buckshot, I get the same results you do, I mostly practice at 30, 40, 50, and 60 FEET, sometimes out to 100 feet. I don't hunt, I just shoot for the "fun of it" and of course, since I live in a high crime area, in the country, I have my guns for personal defense maybe. So I do not anticipate shooting threats at great distance. I sometimes, attach my silhoutte targets to an empty steel 55 gallon drum, and I get the same result you do though at times the Wadding will be stuck in the "wound" of the target. Since it penetrates the steel barrel after the cardboard target, it will leave the Wadding in the hole sometimes. Either there or at the feet of the target. This is what I always get at 30 to 60 FEET, not yards. It seems to me the Federal has less recoil than the "Remington". The "brass" (actually steel cup) is much deeper on the Remington as compared to the Federal. However the Federal has plenty of recoil (gas actually) to cycle my Remington 1100. At very close range, I really think the Flite Control Buckshot could even cause a more catastopic wound than a Slug, but I have no data to back that up. It seems to me nine pellets in an area only slightly larger than a slug would actually do more damage. However I doubt the "recipient" of such a blast could detect ANY difference whatsoever. He would not be around to "give a critique" I don't think. Also, even though I own several shotguns I PREFER to practice with the Maverick I own. You know, I have had it ten years and it has never failed once and has been shot a lot. I have a Mossberg M-590-A1, it is a fine shotgun and is heavier than the Maverick but with the same ammo I cannot tell the difference between the two guns except for the Ghost Rings Sights on the 590. For what I paid for the M-590 I could have bought two more Mavericks and had money left over. The Remington auto-loader will gobble up either one of these rounds, but it is so heavy and BIG I prefer the handle and shoot the Maverick. For $190 bucks, one of the best guns ever made. Not too often can you get something Cheap and pretty good at the same time. Good video and commentary, Thanks, BB
As a Class , " Tactical " Buckshot has three characteristics at minimum : Hard and/ or Plated shot Buffered Reduced Recoil. For better control for faster follow up shots, or multiple threats . As a bonus, can also contribute to tighten patterns . The usual goal is recoil similar to a standard 1 1/8oz Trap Load . This is achieved through moderate velocity , and sometimes reduced pellet count , i e 8 00B rather than 9 .
Very good video. My oppinion on the 2, 12 gauge is that An old school buckshot is far better. With flight control ammo its more like a rifle. If i should use one of them for home defence i go for the remington ammo. A shotgun should be a shotgun.
There is a time and place for all things. Yyou are right about indoors where even the worst buckshot shots tight but I've shot flight control in a real world scenario on the street where I was glad the pattern was only one you two inches wide.
Thank you so much for all the work, time and money you put into this video. I have the same shotgun and will be patterning it in about two weeks. Please keep up the good work.
Yes sir I also am very impressed with the federal. Bought a bunch of it after I tested it. Its a little pricy but well worth it. Happy New Year friend.
I really appreciate your testing. In some ways I think your Remington 00 buck might be more effective in a home defense role. The Federal has a longer effective range and would be better for hunting.
Tighter is always better , even for Home Defense . The more accurate statement would be to the effect of " At inside the home distances , the deficencies of poor patterning buckshot don't prevent it from being useful " . Buckshot has to be aimed ( all shotguns @ in home distances need to be aimed ) . The closer together the pellets strike increase the destruction from adjacent and overlapping wound channels .
At 20 yards the Remington seemed to have that 9th pellet flyer. I've just gotten back into buying guns. About 6 weeks ago I bought me a Ruger sp101 .357 with the 3.1in barrel. I'm going today to pick up my Mossberg 590A1. I got it on sale from Bass pro shop for $415 after tax. You can't beat that. I love Mossberg shotguns. I'm going to buy at least 1 more gun in the near future. Some type of entry level AR .556, a Beretta 92, Ruger 10/22, maybe a smaller cc pistol, a 1911???? I haven't narrowed it down yet....Lord I done started something lol. Love your videos. Subscribed!!!
thanks for demo I just now changed my ammo from Fiocchi 00 buck to my federal flight control 00 buck better to be safe than sorry keep up the great videos 👍🏽
Thank you, Sir! Very informative and we appreciate all the work you've done! This as my preferred home defense ammunition for my needs. I like these videos the best. Regular joes making mere comparisons. God bless you brother and Aloha from Hawaii!
I appreciate the videos you present. I have a single shot 20 gauge that I'm getting ready to cut down from a fixed modified choke to make it cylinder bore. This gives me a good idea of a ballpark figure what to expect at those distances.
Great stuff! Federal Flitecontrol 12 GA 00 Buck 9 pellets is my primary 12 GA load for my Maverick 88. Mine is the 18.5 inch barreled Security model. The Flitecontrol shells I use are the 1145 fps i.e. the lower recoiling version. Max effective range I've gotten so far with them out of an 18.5 inch barrel was about 25 yards. Though 00 Buck is what I rely on for the most part, I do keep a few slugs handy in case I need to boost range like beyond 25 yards or if I need lots of penetration. As for slugs I rely on Brenneke THDs and the ATSs. Both are very powerful especially the ATS, yet low recoiling.
Hi Buffalo, i watch a lot of vids of this nature and i have to say that you are my favourite you tuber in the states. Your vids are to the point and i like the way you present them. keep up the good work mate. All the best from the UK and stay safe.
I'm a huge fan of the flitecontrol buckshot. I'm shooting a Rem 1100 Tactical with a fixed IC choke and I can get out to 50 yards doing the same test you're doing here.
Thanks that's a great compliment for me. I am a humble guy, probably a better student than teacher but I enjoy this sort of thing. Thanks for watching and thanks for leaving the feedback.
I’ll just shoot the Remington 00 Buckshot, since the pattern is ok and that’s what I have. Past 35 yards, I’ll use a rifle or slug. Great video and editing. Informative. Will definitely grab some flight control buckshot at a deal!
Those are the two brands I prefer and I have a case of each now, a partial case of each. I have some Remington Single ought I bought on sale, PRICE matters to me. I bought the Federal Law Enforcement ammo on sale as well, so it was CHEAPER. But I get the very same results you do, and I have one Mossberg 88 exactly like yours, boy you cannot beat that Maverick 88 at $190 Bucks + tax etc. The 88 I have is ten years old I think, it has NEVER malfunctioned once and has had a lot of ammo run though it. I have three others, a Remington 1100 and a Mossberg M-590-A1, and a Browning shotgun and have owned several Mossberg 500 Shotguns. The M-590-A1 is a very fine shotgun to me, It has Rifle Sights on it, and a good shoulder stock with an excellent Recoil pad. Of the four shotguns I have, I like shooting the 88 best. I can shoot the M-590-A1 with the same ammo, I cannot tell the difference. I quit testing them at either 50 or 60 FEET. Of course I don't want to ever have to shoot anyone, and never have, but out at 50 or 60 feet or more it is doubtful I ever will. It is doubtful anyway, but at some distance I feel that is less likely. I practice most often with Birdshot of course, but I get the same results you do, on the FEDERAL Law Enforcement ammo the WADDING will stick IN the target or will pile up at the base of the target. It runs FINE in the Remington Auto-Loader, but I don't like that shotgun as much as i do the Mossbergs as the lifter and all that machinery is in the way when re-loading. That is one thing about a Remington Shotgun I do NOT LIKE. The Mossberg is easier to reload as you "go". I have a Hogue Short or Youth Stock I guess it is on the Mav 88. That is about a $90 bucks upgrade. It has a 12 inch LOP. I run the largest choke on the Remington for Buckshot. The others are all smooth bore of course. The Maverick 88 is the same length sitting in the safe as the M-590-A1, about the same length, but it might be a little bit LIGHTER. The M-590 is a 8 + 1, the 88 a 7+1. But I have had it ten years, I have repainted it at least twice (the barrel and Mag Tube. The low cost of it makes me want to shoot it the most as if something happens to it I have not suffered as much $$ loss. The Federal cycles the Auto-loader just tine, but it seems it may have a little bit LESS RECOIL. Not for sure, it is very powerful. Seems the Remington ammo has more recoil. The rifle sights to ME are not a big deal. I have a bead sight on the 88, I get the same results with either one. Anyway, those 88's they seem to be a little bit loser *maybe* than the more expensive Mossbergs, but for $190 bucks, it is just about the best buy ever in a serious fire arm. I has NEVER let me down once. The others haven't either, except I ahve had a malfunction with the REmington 1100. I seemed to have solved that with some Lubrication in a critical area within the firearm. For what that M-590 A-1 cost I could buy TWO 88's and had money left over. But it is a very nice Defensive shotgun. The auto-loader is a great one too, but it is the most expensive firearm I own. Then the machinery is in the way to "reload" so it is not my favorite. Good Video, BB
Happy New Year as love your vids as keep doing what you do...Good info and vid...Good stuff... The Fed seems like a good pattern for a longer distance with less spread while the Rem might be better if you are looking for a wider spread at a short distance...
I’m going with the Federal Flight control. First, I want to kill my game at varying distance. Second, I hate the liability issues of stray pellets. Great video ! Thanks for your hard work !
Thanks Buffalo, it’s good to see a decent fellow put out a good video. PS- don’t forget to follow through and keep your muzzle on the target after you shoot, better than snapping the barrel away after each shot.
Thank You for no Annoying Loud intro music. On the Federal buckshot, do you remember if you were using the LE12700 (1325fps) or the LE13200 (1145fps) variety? I've heard the slower stuff groups a little tighter.
I liked this video, very informative. I'll stay with the Remington ammo. The spread let's me get on target a bit quicker. I find you never want to finish second in a gun fight. If I need the range I should have time to load a slugging.
I deer hunt with buckshot running dogs. I've heard that the flight control buckshot was good stuff but only with more open chokes. I shoot the flight control turkey shot with good patterns out to 50 yards. My Remington 870 28 inch choked with a .660 constriction choke will shoot the "old school" buckshot (Winchester, Remington 3 inch 15 pellet 00) consistently out to 60 yard with at least 10 pellets on a similar size target as you had (I used paper corn sacks). But what is weird is my Stoeger 26 inch will pattern just as good with an improved cylinder. I don't know which is better, open chokes or tight turkey style chokes but I do know you can get god patterns from either. You sure got your exercise in that day lol! Good video!
Man I'd love to hunt deer with dogs. That would be a blast. I have a squirrel dog (Ladner Black Mouth Cur) we have a blast with him. But anyway to your point, I need to do further testing to see how these do in other chokes. I chose cylinder bore to keep the choke confusion out of this particular test but now that I know the flitecontrol wad works in a cylinder bore I need to test it in a variety of chokes. Sounds like another day at the range soon, thanks for tuning in, I subbed your hunting channel. I'll check some videos out this afternoon.
My best friend that I deer dog hunt with uses a Mountain Cur to run deer. It's the fastest dog we have on the club. She doesn't have much mouth but she can outrun the biggest walker dogs the club has. I appreciate you subbing me, I've been subbed to you a few weeks but struggle to find time to watch videos. You have a very nice channel. I'm an FBI certified firearms instructor in Alabama. I enjoy shooting and learning from everyday people...Not so much the know it all tactical tools that are out there, if that makes sense. I appreciate your content.
When I patterned my auto5 I found I could go from 40 to 50yrds effective by going to a magnum load. This was shooting #4 shot. Patterning is certainly interesting and something you need to do. The flight controls get blown with my fixed full choke I can only get about 30yd out of them.
Good Video Brother. !! I did the same thing with my Mossberg and 4 brands of 00.. The Federal won hands down..I shot one group that had 6 pellets @50yds.. I never could repeat that...
An example of the need to test multiple patterns . They vary from shot to shot . In this video we can see this with Buffalo's results @ 15 and 20yds with the R-P buckshot . He got 12in patterns at both distances . This was a case of the 15yd pattern happened to be on the wide end of the range of results , and the 20yd was randomly smaller group . If you fired 5 patterns at each distance , and averaged , the results probably would have followed expectations .
Federal flight control Turkey loads are also awesome. I tested most expensive Winchester turkey load, had go back to Federal to satisfy my longer shots .
Good video very informative. I have a modified Remington 870 by Vang Comp Systems out of Chino Valley, AZ. Pretty much allows you to shoot regular buffered 00buckshot to 25+ yards without any special wadding. I patterned Remington 27 pellet #4 Buckshot to 20 yards and got a dense pattern center mass and consistently get sub 10" spread out of it. My choice for home defense loading. I am going to push it out to see how far I can get a sub 15" group. I am thinking I can get 25-30 yards out of it. -edited fixed typos
The way i see it. You need the spread at close range for self defense for multiple organ shots. You need the range on game. My mossy 835 over-bored barrel can't use slugs so i love the flite buck on deer.
I like the way you see it. That's why I done this video, to shot the differences and see for myself but also to let people come to their own conclusions about how they would use these loads.
I have the same line of thinking. You might as well use a slug if you want patterns that tight. My halls aren't very long so standard 00 buck is what I keep in my shotgun.
@@PastorDr.MartinSsempa Using a slug is a terrible idea. Not because of the lack of a pattern, but because of the vast over penetration. It would go through the target, any walls in you home including the exterior wall, and possibly into your neighbors house. You risk the lives of anyone in your home as well as anyone near your home. As to using a round like this for home defense, I offer up some alternative logic. Personally, I didn't pick a shotgun for home defense because it's easier to place hits on the target. I picked it because it's far more devastating at closer range. When training with the shotgun, I treat it like any other gun I would use. Aim for center mass. I can assure you that even if you don't hit them in a vital area, with a grouping that tight at 5 to 10 yards, it's incredibly unlikely they would continue the fight be it voluntarily or involuntarily.
Clint Gardner I agree with you as well Clint, and I'd like to add that when buckshot hits meat, or ballistic gel you'll see the buck stream off into dispersing patterns away from center even if it was flight control or extremely bunched together making one hole in paper. So if you have a very small target of opportunity, you can keep all pellets on target, but once in the target it the pellets will all move away from center spreading out causing the devastating wound people are looking for. The shot you might take may not be a clean 18" target, you may have to shoot something very small and you may not want to have errand pellets missing that small target and going who knows where.
Great video! Folks should pattern their shotguns with different loads and chokes at various ranges. You get a good idea where your pattern will be whether you're in the dove field or a deer stand. Happy New Year and looking forward to more great videos!
I did some buckshot testing. I found that clyinder bore worked best with Flitecontrol. I got worse results running it through same barrel with modified and improved cylinder. Thank you
I wondered how that flitecontrol set up would do with some choke applied. That is something I will test here in the future but I didn't want to dive in and test different chokes on this video because it could have went an hour long. Thanks for the input and feedback.
No dig, but holding a "dead" gun up after firing a shot, and then ejecting a shell in the vertical position several seconds after the shot, seems to be a bad habit that should be trained out in favor of loading another shell immediately after firing, while still aimed at target.
This is a really cool video here. I'm not much of a shotgun guy Ioad my own rounds and there is a lot of enginering that went into those federal wads. You look at the thumb nail picture thats on the video and you can see the "wings" on the body of the wad expanding kinda like a regular wad thats the cool part. Nice video happy new year!
Good video and explanation. I like the Maverick 88. It is a good, solid, budget shotgun that can serve a lot of roles. Shot spread is why I prefer slugs. I want to be able to hit a target from 20 to 50 yards and I feel more comfortable shooting slugs, even at close quarters. Have a blessed year in 2017.
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Best demonstration video on two different wads I've seen so far. Thank you for making and sharing your result. Thumbs way, way up!
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it!
That's exactly how you perform a review. Straightforward data, showing numerical results. Thank you, buddy.
Thank you for educating me on the difference between traditional wadding and Flite-Control. I wasn’t convinced it wasn’t just a marketing ploy until watching your informative video. Good stuff!
Grace and Peace 😊
BEAUTIFUL land there! It reminds me of the woods where I grew up in central North Carolina.
Thanks! I just passed through beautiful North Carolina Sunday!
I know i am two years late to the party, but this is excellent stuff, both about the loads and the freedom stick itself. Thank you brother Buffalo!
This is the best practical demonstration of the Flitecontrol v normal wad on You Tube. Congratulations! It would be really interesting to try different chokes at say 35, 40 and 50 yards on those Flitecontrol cartridges.
Thank you for taking a minute to leave the feedback! I appreciate it. I might try it with different chokes.
I heard that the flite control doesn't like to be used with chokes cause it makes the wad to get separated from the shot. It does help quite a bit with the regular Remmington to use a modified or full choke.
@Virus world A choke is a threaded tube that is screwed into the end of a shotgun barrel to modify the diameter of the end of the barrel. Chokes tend to work like a funnel pushing the pellets closer together so that when they leave the barrel the pellets spread less.
Different chokes are more or less restrictive. A Cylinder bore is just a unchoked barrel. Improved Cylinder is slightly smaller than Cylinder bore. Modified is smaller than Improved Cylinder and Full choke is the smallest choke commonly used.
Shotguns can have removable chokes that you can change them but others have built in chokes that cannot be removed. Most self defense shotguns dont have removable chokes and typically are Cylinder bore or Modified.
Your good to go brother. The Lord lifts up the humble.
Keep doin what your doin...
Thanks!
The problem that the shots cannot be seem!!!..only you see them!!!!!
LOTS OF VARIABLES: barrel length, shot weight, shot size,chokes, wad design, buffers -great demo gives a starting point and saves us time and money thank you!
Great video, I reload shotgun shells. Several years ago I reloaded some double ought buck. Took them to the range shot them at cardboard targets 50 yards away. I was disappointed that only two 33cal shot hit the target.
I didn’t put any fillers (buffers) around the shot , your video has renewed my interest in the double ought buck.
Fast-forward to 2022. I would LOVE to go back to 2017. Love. To.
In my 61 years on this rock most of my shooting has been with hand guns and rifles. Not until a few years ago when I bought a combat shotgun with a cylinder bore did I find any interest at all in buckshot. Now I've probably passed the thousand round mark with both factory and reloads in all kinds and sizes of buckshot. The Federal Flight Control is unbeatable in a combat shotgun. They really got it right! I get very similar results that you did with my Mossberg 930 SPX with twenty inch tube, cylinder bore. I would have to rate your video as Great! To many concentrate on in the house ranges, which for the most part prove nothing and fumble around with gloved hands which I find as just plain crazy unless it is ten below zero or something. They might as well wear a welding helmet too. LOL! I have two favorite or carry loads now you might want to try in the future. One is the excellent LE 132-1B load of fifteen pellets of number one buck. The other is the three inch twelve pellet Flight Control load which out of my gun is still plenty effective out to the fifty yard mark averaging seven hits on a coyote size target at that range. You may already know that the flight control wads are NOT all the same, they are different in almost every load Federal makes. I wish they would release a General, Standard, Average, for a better way to describe it flight control wad for us reloaders to experiment with. I think some great loads could come from that. Once again, Great video!
Thank you. I am certainly interested in testing the loads you mentioned. I enjoy reading well thought out comments like yours and I appreciate having guys like you around the channel, I have learned more from the comments section of my videos than most would think. I may dig up as many different types of buck shot as I can over the next couple months and put together a more inclusive patterning video this spring.
I've been shooting shotguns for over thirty years but today 29th January 2019 is the first time I've ever used buckshot (can't get it where I live till today) and wow what a great round before the best I could get was Remington 3inch heavy field round the buckshot actually has less recoil much to my surprise but again WOW what a great round
@Travis Thacker Most Factory loaded Buckshot is undesized for its nominal stated size . 00B is usually +/- .320 , with Hornady running .315-ish .
This isn't necessarily meant to be deceptive , nor meaningfully short changing customers . Due to physics and dimensions , " true sized" buckshot won't stack in expected layers, if a shot cup of substantial wall thickness . And the users are most definitely better served by the tighter patterns achieved with proper wads .
Both shot performance was pretty good. And shot gun did too. Great demo and channel. With be watching your videos. Good job!! Thanks
The Federal Flight Control is impressive. I use the Hornady Critical Defense with the Verstite wad and it seems to give similar results. Thank you for the video.
You're very welcome! I haven't tried the Critical Defense stuff but I will.
Thanks, this was very helpful. Just bought some of this along with the similar Critical Defense rounds to pattern in my 870 as soon as spring hits. Excellent presentation as well.
Well done presentation. Results speak for themselves.
Best buck. Patterning comparison video in the world .
Just another well thought out great video Buffalo.Thanks for taking the time to show us how well the buckshot works and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Thanks slinfire54! I hope 2017 brings all of us good things!
Love the intro! You just gained a subscriber!
Great job. I had to rewatch this video. Great information. Buckshot in particular and shotguns generally, are fascinating subjects.
Imagine how large the pattern would be without any buffer.
I didn't realize that the Remington stuff was buffered until I actually opened it up. I was glad it was for the video's sake though because that left the one major component that effects the pattern, the wad, being the only difference between the rounds. So we got a good comparison, at least in my mind. That being said I wish I would have had some non buffered stuff to throw in the mix. That sounds like another video to me. Buffered vs non-buffered. Have you guys done that one? You have so many great videos it's hard to keep track!
Imagine how much tighter it would be with WAX!! LOL
@@buffalosoutdoors how about the powder chatges?
Wouldnt they affect the spread if different?
Hey Buffalo, first time I've seen any of your videos and I picked this one on purpose. First off, I own a Mossberg 88 and for the budget price it is all I need to protect my family against that awful day, heaven forbid, but like this one guy said, "Don't train for 'what if's, but for 'when thens'"
I was one of those guys who didn't think I needed a gun but partner, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that every law abiding citizen has a duty to arm themselves.
Your video answered a question in my mind about using regular or flite control wad. In a middle of the night situation, and seeing just how tight that pattern was, I have decided to not use the flite control for home defense purposes. Thanks, all the best!
Hi Buffalo. Looks like the Federal flite control ammo is the best for hunting while the Remington is a better self defense round. The reason is because buckshot spreading is to be desired in a self defense shotgun which increases hit probability when dealing with a dynamic target. If someone really wants a tight group they can use a rifled slug.
Great video! After looking for months I finally found 10 boxes of Federal Premium Law Enforcement 00 Buck 50rds for $80 (not sure what the difference is to the Premium Vital Shock but I think the Law Enforcement is probably low recoil and a bit less velocity otherwise its the same). I wish I could find the same load in #4 Buck though.
Great video, very educational, thank you very much for sharing. I hope Federal gives you a cut of all the ammo you are selling for them! Federal, pay this man!
I really appreciate how much this guy enjoys the maverick 88. I have the same one and shoot it more than anything else
Very good video comparison, no wasted time, good conclusions. I like the Flite Control was system too.
Thanks!
Great video, I’m also impressed with my Maverick 88. This was a excellent comparison of buckshot.
Always enjoy your presentations with your down to earth videos. I recently purchased a Mossberg 930 JM PRO 9+1 24" with screw in chokes. It's mainly for home defense but I'm hoping to do a little hog hunting with it here in Florida. I have it loaded with the Federal now and found this particular video very informative. ROCK ON BROTHER.
Well done. I have become a devotee of the Federal Flitecontrol . It just makes sense for home defense, especially in a residential area like mine. Thank you!
They certainly make a difference. Glad you enjoyed the video!
I did. Will be watching.
Great and very detailed test! Keep up the good job! Greetings from Greece.
Like your honesty and telling that your not a gun expert. Simple testing
These are the two brands of Buckshot that I keep on hand. I like the Remington in single ought and double ought, been shooting it for years, then I have the Federal Law Enforcement 00 Buckshot with the Flite Control Wadding. With the Federal Buckshot, I get the same results you do, I mostly practice at 30, 40, 50, and 60 FEET, sometimes out to 100 feet. I don't hunt, I just shoot for the "fun of it" and of course, since I live in a high crime area, in the country, I have my guns for personal defense maybe. So I do not anticipate shooting threats at great distance.
I sometimes, attach my silhoutte targets to an empty steel 55 gallon drum, and I get the same result you do though at times the Wadding will be stuck in the "wound" of the target. Since it penetrates the steel barrel after the cardboard target, it will leave the Wadding in the hole sometimes. Either there or at the feet of the target. This is what I always get at 30 to 60 FEET, not yards. It seems to me the Federal has less recoil than the "Remington". The "brass" (actually steel cup) is much deeper on the Remington as compared to the Federal. However the Federal has plenty of recoil (gas actually) to cycle my Remington 1100.
At very close range, I really think the Flite Control Buckshot could even cause a more catastopic wound than a Slug, but I have no data to back that up. It seems to me nine pellets in an area only slightly larger than a slug would actually do more damage. However I doubt the "recipient" of such a blast could detect ANY difference whatsoever. He would not be around to "give a critique" I don't think.
Also, even though I own several shotguns I PREFER to practice with the Maverick I own. You know, I have had it ten years and it has never failed once and has been shot a lot. I have a Mossberg M-590-A1, it is a fine shotgun and is heavier than the Maverick but with the same ammo I cannot tell the difference between the two guns except for the Ghost Rings Sights on the 590. For what I paid for the M-590 I could have bought two more Mavericks and had money left over. The Remington auto-loader will gobble up either one of these rounds, but it is so heavy and BIG I prefer the handle and shoot the Maverick. For $190 bucks, one of the best guns ever made. Not too often can you get something Cheap and pretty good at the same time.
Good video and commentary, Thanks, BB
As a Class , " Tactical " Buckshot has three characteristics at minimum :
Hard and/ or Plated shot
Buffered
Reduced Recoil. For better control for faster follow up shots, or multiple threats . As a bonus, can also contribute to tighten patterns .
The usual goal is recoil similar to a standard 1 1/8oz Trap Load . This is achieved through moderate velocity , and sometimes reduced pellet count , i e 8 00B rather than 9 .
Very good video. My oppinion on the 2, 12 gauge is that An old school buckshot is far better. With flight control ammo its more like a rifle. If i should use one of them for home defence i go for the remington ammo. A shotgun should be a shotgun.
There is a time and place for all things. Yyou are right about indoors where even the worst buckshot shots tight but I've shot flight control in a real world scenario on the street where I was glad the pattern was only one you two inches wide.
Thank you so much for all the work, time and money you put into this video.
I have the same shotgun and will be patterning it in about two weeks.
Please keep up the good work.
Yes sir I also am very impressed with the federal. Bought a bunch of it after I tested it. Its a little pricy but well worth it. Happy New Year friend.
You're right it is a little bit more expensive. I should have mentioned that in the video!
Excellent video, Buffalo. This is exactly what I wanted to know & thank you for the time & effort needed for this demonstration.
Thanks for leaving the feedback!
I really appreciate your testing. In some ways I think your Remington 00 buck might be more effective in a home defense role. The Federal has a longer effective range and would be better for hunting.
Thanks Rich and I agree with your analysis.
Remington definitely for the home defense...I want any fucker that breaks in to have a pellet in every organ
@@mia1shooter Mossberg 590 my fav
Tighter is always better , even for Home Defense . The more accurate statement would be to the effect of " At inside the home distances , the deficencies of poor patterning buckshot don't prevent it from being useful " .
Buckshot has to be aimed ( all shotguns @ in home distances need to be aimed ) . The closer together the pellets strike increase the destruction from adjacent and overlapping wound channels .
At 20 yards the Remington seemed to have that 9th pellet flyer. I've just gotten back into buying guns. About 6 weeks ago I bought me a Ruger sp101 .357 with the 3.1in barrel. I'm going today to pick up my Mossberg 590A1. I got it on sale from Bass pro shop for $415 after tax. You can't beat that. I love Mossberg shotguns. I'm going to buy at least 1 more gun in the near future. Some type of entry level AR .556, a Beretta 92, Ruger 10/22, maybe a smaller cc pistol, a 1911???? I haven't narrowed it down yet....Lord I done started something lol. Love your videos. Subscribed!!!
thanks for demo I just now changed my ammo from Fiocchi 00 buck to my federal flight control 00 buck better to be safe than sorry keep up the great videos 👍🏽
you have one of the finest gun channels on youtube
Thank you for that.
Great demonstration. You did a good job!
Thank you, Sir! Very informative and we appreciate all the work you've done! This as my preferred home defense ammunition for my needs. I like these videos the best. Regular joes making mere comparisons. God bless you brother and Aloha from Hawaii!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Hello from a small rural farm in Northeastern Kentucky.
Thank you for this video. You give great info in this one. Looks like I'll be picking up some Federal with the Flitecontrol wad. Thanks again.
Could you do the same demonstration with improved cylinder choke and modified choke? The results are very informative. Thanks for the videos! :)
This is fine infotainment! Happy New Year!
Hahaha! Thank you!
I appreciate the videos you present. I have a single shot 20 gauge that I'm getting ready to cut down from a fixed modified choke to make it cylinder bore. This gives me a good idea of a ballpark figure what to expect at those distances.
Great stuff!
Federal Flitecontrol 12 GA 00 Buck 9 pellets is my primary 12 GA load for my Maverick 88. Mine is the 18.5 inch barreled Security model. The Flitecontrol shells I use are the 1145 fps i.e. the lower recoiling version. Max effective range I've gotten so far with them out of an 18.5 inch barrel was about 25 yards.
Though 00 Buck is what I rely on for the most part, I do keep a few slugs handy in case I need to boost range like beyond 25 yards or if I need lots of penetration. As for slugs I rely on Brenneke THDs and the ATSs. Both are very powerful especially the ATS, yet low recoiling.
Adding this one to my favorites list, Great video/info Buffalo. Happy New Year
Thanks buddy! You too!
Excellent video brother! Made me a believer, went out and got some Federal Vital shok 00 buck with Flitecontrol. Never knock a Mossberg, they work!
That Flitecontrol was sure seems to work!
Hi Buffalo, i watch a lot of vids of this nature and i have to say that you are my favourite you tuber in the states. Your vids are to the point and i like the way you present them. keep up the good work mate.
All the best from the UK and stay safe.
I love shotguns. They are my favorite type of long gun, even more than the ar15.
I'm a huge fan of the flitecontrol buckshot. I'm shooting a Rem 1100 Tactical with a fixed IC choke and I can get out to 50 yards doing the same test you're doing here.
It's good stuff!
Simply a great video and very well presented. There is just something about you and your videos I like. I upvoted and subscribed.
Thanks for the video, very informative. I now want to pattern my new 1301 Beretta 12ga and see if it comes close to your results.
keep up the good work Buffalo..You have a"Humble way" of teaching
Thanks that's a great compliment for me. I am a humble guy, probably a better student than teacher but I enjoy this sort of thing. Thanks for watching and thanks for leaving the feedback.
Excellent video, very informative and well presented. I purchased some Federal 00 buckshot and am looking forward to trying it out. Great job!
Fantastic video. I just bought a Maverick 88. I've only had it out shooting once but so far I like it a lot.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the vid! I have found the Maverick 88 to be a solid shotgun.
Flight control is awesome
Agreed!
I’ll just shoot the Remington 00 Buckshot, since the pattern is ok and that’s what I have. Past 35 yards, I’ll use a rifle or slug. Great video and editing. Informative. Will definitely grab some flight control buckshot at a deal!
Thanks for this video. It was exactly what I was looking for!
Glad you found it useful!
Nice, simplistic video. Unfortunately, finding the FliteControl during these times is very difficult.
Excellent video, thanks for the demonstration.
Excellent presentation. We learned much. Thank you.
Ran across this video today and subscribed. Keep up the good work. Look forward to seeing more of your work
Very thorough, ...great job.
Thank you!
Those are the two brands I prefer and I have a case of each now, a partial case of each. I have some Remington Single ought I bought on sale, PRICE matters to me. I bought the Federal Law Enforcement ammo on sale as well, so it was CHEAPER. But I get the very same results you do, and I have one Mossberg 88 exactly like yours, boy you cannot beat that Maverick 88 at $190 Bucks + tax etc.
The 88 I have is ten years old I think, it has NEVER malfunctioned once and has had a lot of ammo run though it. I have three others, a Remington 1100 and a Mossberg M-590-A1, and a Browning shotgun and have owned several Mossberg 500 Shotguns. The M-590-A1 is a very fine shotgun to me, It has Rifle Sights on it, and a good shoulder stock with an excellent Recoil pad. Of the four shotguns I have, I like shooting the 88 best. I can shoot the M-590-A1 with the same ammo, I cannot tell the difference. I quit testing them at either 50 or 60 FEET. Of course I don't want to ever have to shoot anyone, and never have, but out at 50 or 60 feet or more it is doubtful I ever will. It is doubtful anyway, but at some distance I feel that is less likely.
I practice most often with Birdshot of course, but I get the same results you do, on the FEDERAL Law Enforcement ammo the WADDING will stick IN the target or will pile up at the base of the target. It runs FINE in the Remington Auto-Loader, but I don't like that shotgun as much as i do the Mossbergs as the lifter and all that machinery is in the way when re-loading. That is one thing about a Remington Shotgun I do NOT LIKE. The Mossberg is easier to reload as you "go". I have a Hogue Short or Youth Stock I guess it is on the Mav 88. That is about a $90 bucks upgrade. It has a 12 inch LOP. I run the largest choke on the Remington for Buckshot. The others are all smooth bore of course.
The Maverick 88 is the same length sitting in the safe as the M-590-A1, about the same length, but it might be a little bit LIGHTER. The M-590 is a 8 + 1, the 88 a 7+1. But I have had it ten years, I have repainted it at least twice (the barrel and Mag Tube. The low cost of it makes me want to shoot it the most as if something happens to it I have not suffered as much $$ loss.
The Federal cycles the Auto-loader just tine, but it seems it may have a little bit LESS RECOIL. Not for sure, it is very powerful. Seems the Remington ammo has more recoil. The rifle sights to ME are not a big deal. I have a bead sight on the 88, I get the same results with either one. Anyway, those 88's they seem to be a little bit loser *maybe* than the more expensive Mossbergs, but for $190 bucks, it is just about the best buy ever in a serious fire arm. I has NEVER let me down once. The others haven't either, except I ahve had a malfunction with the REmington 1100. I seemed to have solved that with some Lubrication in a critical area within the firearm. For what that M-590 A-1 cost I could buy TWO 88's and had money left over. But it is a very nice Defensive shotgun. The auto-loader is a great one too, but it is the most expensive firearm I own. Then the machinery is in the way to "reload" so it is not my favorite. Good Video, BB
Wow! Great job on this video. Very well done! Thank you so much for sharing with us.
Happy New Year as love your vids as keep doing what you do...Good info and vid...Good stuff...
The Fed seems like a good pattern for a longer distance with less spread while the Rem might be better if you are looking for a wider spread at a short distance...
Exactly!
Lotta work you did there j gave you a thumbs up, good work buddy
Great review. Federal flight control, Hornady defense/ black are good to go hunting and self defense.
Excellent video. All information and no fluff. Well done and thanks. Keep up the good work!
I’m going with the Federal Flight control. First, I want to kill my game at varying distance. Second, I hate the liability issues of stray pellets.
Great video ! Thanks for your hard work !
Thanks Buffalo, it’s good to see a decent fellow put out a good video.
PS- don’t forget to follow through and keep your muzzle on the target after you shoot, better than snapping the barrel away after each shot.
Thank You for no Annoying Loud intro music. On the Federal buckshot, do you remember if you were using the LE12700 (1325fps) or the LE13200 (1145fps) variety? I've heard the slower stuff groups a little tighter.
Great job and thank you for editing the shooting.
I liked this video, very informative. I'll stay with the Remington ammo. The spread let's me get on target a bit quicker. I find you never want to finish second in a gun fight. If I need the range I should have time to load a slugging.
I deer hunt with buckshot running dogs. I've heard that the flight control buckshot was good stuff but only with more open chokes. I shoot the flight control turkey shot with good patterns out to 50 yards. My Remington 870 28 inch choked with a .660 constriction choke will shoot the "old school" buckshot (Winchester, Remington 3 inch 15 pellet 00) consistently out to 60 yard with at least 10 pellets on a similar size target as you had (I used paper corn sacks). But what is weird is my Stoeger 26 inch will pattern just as good with an improved cylinder. I don't know which is better, open chokes or tight turkey style chokes but I do know you can get god patterns from either. You sure got your exercise in that day lol! Good video!
Man I'd love to hunt deer with dogs. That would be a blast. I have a squirrel dog (Ladner Black Mouth Cur) we have a blast with him. But anyway to your point, I need to do further testing to see how these do in other chokes. I chose cylinder bore to keep the choke confusion out of this particular test but now that I know the flitecontrol wad works in a cylinder bore I need to test it in a variety of chokes. Sounds like another day at the range soon, thanks for tuning in, I subbed your hunting channel. I'll check some videos out this afternoon.
My best friend that I deer dog hunt with uses a Mountain Cur to run deer. It's the fastest dog we have on the club. She doesn't have much mouth but she can outrun the biggest walker dogs the club has. I appreciate you subbing me, I've been subbed to you a few weeks but struggle to find time to watch videos. You have a very nice channel. I'm an FBI certified firearms instructor in Alabama. I enjoy shooting and learning from everyday people...Not so much the know it all tactical tools that are out there, if that makes sense. I appreciate your content.
Dec '22 - Great vid. Pretty sure I'll be very happy delivering the 9-shot Flight Control thru my 940 Tactical Pro. BRAVO ZULU!
another great comparison, good job
Thanks!
When I patterned my auto5 I found I could go from 40 to 50yrds effective by going to a magnum load. This was shooting #4 shot. Patterning is certainly interesting and something you need to do. The flight controls get blown with my fixed full choke I can only get about 30yd out of them.
I wondered how that flitecontrol set up would do when choked..... you know I'm bound to test it and find out :)
Flite Control wad definitely does what it advertises. I'd like to see a comparison to other companies' equivalent, such as Hornady's Versatite wad.
Good Video Brother. !! I did the same thing with my Mossberg and 4 brands of 00.. The Federal won hands down..I shot one group that had 6 pellets @50yds.. I never could repeat that...
An example of the need to test multiple patterns . They vary from shot to shot . In this video we can see this with Buffalo's results @ 15 and 20yds with the R-P buckshot . He got 12in patterns at both distances . This was a case of the 15yd pattern happened to be on the wide end of the range of results , and the 20yd was randomly smaller group . If you fired 5 patterns at each distance , and averaged , the results probably would have followed expectations .
Federal flight control Turkey loads are also awesome. I tested most expensive Winchester turkey load, had go back to Federal to satisfy my longer shots .
Honestly, you just can't go wrong with a shotgun and a little bit of buckshot. Enjoyed your video. Just added myself to your subscribers.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and decided to stick around. Thank you.
Good video very informative. I have a modified Remington 870 by Vang Comp Systems out of Chino Valley, AZ. Pretty much allows you to shoot regular buffered 00buckshot to 25+ yards without any special wadding.
I patterned Remington 27 pellet #4 Buckshot to 20 yards and got a dense pattern center mass and consistently get sub 10" spread out of it. My choice for home defense loading. I am going to push it out to see how far I can get a sub 15" group. I am thinking I can get 25-30 yards out of it.
-edited fixed typos
The Remington lost a pellet at 20 yards. There's only 8/9 pellets on the target.
The way i see it. You need the spread at close range for self defense for multiple organ shots. You need the range on game. My mossy 835 over-bored barrel can't use slugs so i love the flite buck on deer.
I like the way you see it. That's why I done this video, to shot the differences and see for myself but also to let people come to their own conclusions about how they would use these loads.
I have the same line of thinking. You might as well use a slug if you want patterns that tight. My halls aren't very long so standard 00 buck is what I keep in my shotgun.
@@PastorDr.MartinSsempa Using a slug is a terrible idea. Not because of the lack of a pattern, but because of the vast over penetration. It would go through the target, any walls in you home including the exterior wall, and possibly into your neighbors house. You risk the lives of anyone in your home as well as anyone near your home.
As to using a round like this for home defense, I offer up some alternative logic. Personally, I didn't pick a shotgun for home defense because it's easier to place hits on the target. I picked it because it's far more devastating at closer range. When training with the shotgun, I treat it like any other gun I would use. Aim for center mass. I can assure you that even if you don't hit them in a vital area, with a grouping that tight at 5 to 10 yards, it's incredibly unlikely they would continue the fight be it voluntarily or involuntarily.
Clint Gardner I agree with you as well Clint, and I'd like to add that when buckshot hits meat, or ballistic gel you'll see the buck stream off into dispersing patterns away from center even if it was flight control or extremely bunched together making one hole in paper. So if you have a very small target of opportunity, you can keep all pellets on target, but once in the target it the pellets will all move away from center spreading out causing the devastating wound people are looking for. The shot you might take may not be a clean 18" target, you may have to shoot something very small and you may not want to have errand pellets missing that small target and going who knows where.
Excellent video...the presentation & comparison format is outstanding!
Thank you!
@@buffalosoutdoors your welcome man, it's great videos like this that people can really make an informed decision.
Great video! Folks should pattern their shotguns with different loads and chokes at various ranges. You get a good idea where your pattern will be whether you're in the dove field or a deer stand. Happy New Year and looking forward to more great videos!
Thanks! I hope 2017 brings us good things.
I did some buckshot testing. I found that clyinder bore worked best with Flitecontrol. I got worse results running it through same barrel with modified and improved cylinder. Thank you
I wondered how that flitecontrol set up would do with some choke applied. That is something I will test here in the future but I didn't want to dive in and test different chokes on this video because it could have went an hour long. Thanks for the input and feedback.
Thank you for this video. Very informative. You've got a new subscriber
Glad to have you!
Nice demonstration. Thanks!
FEDERAL FLIGHT CONTROL,
00-Buck, 9 Pellet Ammo Is
The BEST Ammo For Home
Defense...
awesome video... I like standard buckshot for home defense...
Makes sense to me!
That flight control 00 shell really seems like a no-joke load. Wish I had picked some up years ago when it was available and I wasn't really sold.
You said its a no joke round but then also said you were really sold on it. So which is it
Werent*
@@1594simonsays I said i wasn't sold years ago when they were available everywhere. I now see they are no joke.
Reading comprehension is important.
Michael S readinng comprehension IS indeed inportant, your comment made no sense re read it
Michael S “wish i has picked some up years ago when it was available ans i wasnt really sold”. ????
No dig, but holding a "dead" gun up after firing a shot, and then ejecting a shell in the vertical position several seconds after the shot, seems to be a bad habit that should be trained out in favor of loading another shell immediately after firing, while still aimed at target.
This is a really cool video here. I'm not much of a shotgun guy Ioad my own rounds and there is a lot of enginering that went into those federal wads. You look at the thumb nail picture thats on the video and you can see the "wings" on the body of the wad expanding kinda like a regular wad thats the cool part. Nice video happy new year!
Thanks and I hope 2017 will be good to us all! I just watched you catch that FTX 44 magnum bullet! Good work!
Buffalo's Outdoors Thanks headed back out for some more testing today!
Once again, great real-world information. Thank you.
Thanks Matersoup!
Wad gone at 10 yards for the Remington and 25 yards for the Federal. Wad flight control technology at its finest! Great experiment! Good job.
Thank you!
I saw the packaging in stores and thought it was just marketing but these are pretty impressive results.
Thanks, I was impressed with them.
Good video and explanation. I like the Maverick 88. It is a good, solid, budget shotgun that can serve a lot of roles. Shot spread is why I prefer slugs. I want to be able to hit a target from 20 to 50 yards and I feel more comfortable shooting slugs, even at close quarters. Have a blessed year in 2017.
I may do a video on slugs soon, kinda with the same format of shooting groups at different distances. I hope 2017 brings us all good things.