The weird thing is that the China's Women team are actually one of the best in the world. So why not whatever magic they are doing with the women do the same with the men?
@@icyboy771z men , do not use women sports to determine the sports strength of a country. China government uses their tax revenue for what their governor want but not for economic or citizen's need. They use much more money on women basketball than other country. Just like women football can win Iraq, but men foot ball lost for 7:0
The reason China have no close sport celebrities is that China is a 'developing country'. The countries produce close sport celebrities only have two conditions: people love that sport, or its the only way to make rich, such as Brazil, Argentina etc. China government prefer to spend money on the agriculture, infrastructure, technology, and any way to make country great instead of sports.
The NBA have changed. Before the three point shooting era we have now, you can see South American/African/Asian countries produce NBA player as long as you have the size and quickness necessary to thrive in the NBA. However, everything changed when we started playing the European style of basketball
@@masterkongming this is not the 90s, yes there are some rural and poor areas but generally China is developed country alrdy. They are far ahead in tech in some areas compared to the West.
One time I talked with a guy who taught in china, and as a American he was a big fan of basketball. He noticed that the kids there loved the sport, just loved it and worked hard at it, but that they had no concept of playing as a team. They lacked any kind of youth leagues so these kids were technically skilled but when he organized games they all fell apart. Obviously this is anecdotal but does carry weight with what you talked about in the video.
The lack of organized competition is true. Additionally, their conditioning isn't on the same level as US/EU players as well. China is always a top team in Asia but coming out of Asia they suck really bad. Long gone are the days of players like Yao and Wang Zhi Zhi.
I used to play in the CBA youth league. In addition to the points you mentioned, there are common problems with the age of Chinese players. When Zhou Qi was 16 years old, he was actually 19 years old. The Chinese team defeated Serbia under his leadership. What I want to say is that they have not had enough training since childhood and grew up in a relaxed environment. Easily beating players like me. Who didn't hide their true age. Chinese coaches are a piece of shit too, you have to bribe them for playing time, same goes for table tennis. In addition, China's team culture is very fragile internally, and everyone is plotting against everyone else. They play like gangsters in the league, and many of their moves are aimed at causing permanent damage to their opponents.
Impetuous society. Pretty much all CBA players are age changers. Anybody born supposedly in the 80s and 90s changed their age. The only guy I know who did not is Yao lol
One thing I notice, culturally, even as an Asian, is that a lot of the anxieties in collaborative environments, even sport, are very feminine in nature. I was listening to one of those podcasts on "what women want" and it covered the spectrum of female competitiveness vs collaboration and weirdly enough, many of us Asian men are very thorny with one another in the same way how western women are with how they view team effort, competition, rivalry in that environment. There's an overtly-emotional component that, while does show outright on the sleeve, is certainly applicable in terms of the interpersonal dynamism in these communal endeavors. There's "threat", "opportunity", "emphasis" ... all very much the same navigational doctrine that women operate on, so perhaps a psychological lean towards this sort of school of understanding may help with the development.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 that is because table tennis is small sport, it got less corrupted ,big sport that earn money like Football and Basketball are corrupted af.
Yeah. This kind of issues and toxic environment are pretty similar to Vietnam football league. You need to bribe the coach for playing time. Team spirit are not well built because of competition between different groups of players. And man, age cheat are common. Most potential youth players are about 3 years older than their registered age.
Cultural mindset plays the most important role, and the league is not strong enough to change its. There is in China a joke that says:"If a Micheal Jordan popped up in China, he wouldn't get a shot at hoops, he'd be drowned in cram school.", this because mostly of chinese children have their time filled with classes or tutoring activities since very young age. In a enviroment that value academic achievements far more than sports, there is rarely conditions needed to develop top class basket players.
that's a possible reason, but it doesn't quite apply. There are many students who are either noticed to be talented at sports at a young age or are placed into sporting programs because they show little aptitude for education, and they get groomed young and with the Chinese work ethic, they practice hard. So for the most part, there is no reason why China should suck at basketball, besides the fact that they don't care and they don't want to be good at it. Because despite the emphasis toward education etc, China is an athletic beast, just look at the olympics. They always win the most golds despite not winning the most medals, which is insane, because the medal distribution should be more bronze and silver and less gold due to the difference in difficulty of achieving the, but China is reversed with more gold than either silver or bronze. They clearly can become the best, when they feel like it. China is so good at diving, weightlifting, gymnastics, badminton, and table tennis. That's just because they care about it. Look at sport-centric USA, who sucks at table tennis, like just terrible on the world stage. But USA has great basketball, baseball teams... It's about cultural interest, which drives funding.
@@davruck1 Well that's just an arbitrary statement that may or may not be true. It's like if I just randomly said I banged your mom, she was good. Is this type of statement meant to be believed? Let's be realistic, China is ahead of basically all of Africa in FIBA world rankings. Being black is just one factor, but don't come spewing nonsense like "no organized programs or formal training" will still dominate. Genetics probably accounts for 10-20% advantage, but the other 80% comes from training and if China cared more, they'd definitely be much better than they are now.
As a Chinese basketball fan, I would agree with every point you mentioned. Another thing I want to add is, those professional athletics programs have never been connected with common education in China. In China, a child has to decide to become a professional athlete or not in their middle school age or even in their primary school age. But how can anyone know if a child is talented enough to play professional sports when he is only 12 years old??? So coaches only choose kids who is tall enough, or whose parents are tall enough, and that's why China has better center and big forward than its guard. After that, those chosen professional athlete kids doing training everyday, those unchosen kids study everyday and has no chance to get in touch with any real basketball team, totally separate no intersection at all. That's why Chinese sports population isn't coming from 1.4 billion of people, but only a small group of chosen kids. While in other countries, children can still enjoy and play competitive sports in their high school and college age, even 95% of them will not become a professional athlete eventually.
you just added another point that worths discussion from a familiar/parental perspective. here's mine, if you are interested and patient enough to read :) -I'm a Chinese, and as a social science researcher who taguth in both China and US high schools as well as colleges, I would offer my insight here. The reason why China failed at basketball is a complexed issue composing of several factors. While the video did offer one possible explanation, it failed to explain the whole picture. The video seemed to focus on basketball training/education, highlighting the lack of creativity and decision-making in Chinese young basketball players, which I partially agree with. If you look from a macro perspective, the whole nation relies on such mechanism and the education system is typically tabula rasa in hope of making each individual a product to maintain efficiency in a collectivized society. If you happen to know any Chinese international students in the West, most of them are good at learning when you offer them a fomula or a structure, but unable to critically evaluate the context and generate this ideas on their own. this I would blame the Confuanism and the education system in China (or the authority did this on purpose to lower the chance of unrest and political protest). Having said that, however, apart from education issue, basketball failure of China is a reflection of the transition from their planned economy to market economy. Yaoming, Zhouqi, and Yi jianlian are all those "sports students" that trained and funded by the government to play well and fight for the national pride, which people in collectivized society need (because the society does not fully uphold individualistic values and property rights, and people dont have the vote to express their voice, the authority has to find some ways to make people feel honored to be in this group, which in this case, translate into sports performance of national team), So basically they are like soldiers who are paid to train well and fight for the country. However, in a more pragmatic approach by Chinese authority, they measure the difficulty of winning and how much national pride sports can offer to Chinese public, and the decision was made based on the number of gold medals during the Olympics. So the authoirty would fund Olympics games that were of lower popularity and thus less competition, so it is more efficient for them to train professional atheletes to achieve this goal. Therefore, when you see Chinese players winning gold medals, its usually women players winning those games that 99% of Chiense public never know, let alone public love and participation in the game. So the Chinese authority strategically abandoned basketball, and players after Yao, Wang zhizhi, and Yi jianlian receive less government funding, while Chinese schools are unlike the schools that have been training early-stage NBA players in US, because Chiense schools do not have the equal manpower and facility to compete with the past state-sponsored player training. Its such a big topic and a reflection of social change, I can write a paper about it lol.
@@Gasolonfreestyle One of the biggest differences I noticed between China and the USA is that China does not have a real ghetto. China offered "free" education to all kids, making it extremely hard for one to give up academic growth over sports, cuz sports are way more competitive with way higher attrition rates. In other words, China does not have those kids who go to trash school just to be ready for the real jail. Nor would they need to join a gang to protect themselves. Once you have a much easier option, you automatically choose that one. Given the number of black kids who went to jail or got murdered after they failed to become pro, it is not hard to understand why China is bad at competitive sports. You just have to take away opportunities from the lower class to push them into sports.
@@Austin-xu1ws lol for that part you are I would say partially correct or offered an insightful observation. Yes, China is a basically ethnic homogenous society, so people don’t play identity politics like which group of people can only be good at what. For that part, I agree. As to why few people prefer sports, I would more attribute to Confucianism and its arguably biased view against people’s physique. The stereotype is, the more physically strong, the less underdeveloped the mind. And the preference has always been the mind over the body. So if you look at portraits of historical figures, those with very strong bodies in folk lores are usually described as less intelligent and reckless (Zhang fei, li kui, etc. by any chance if you know how how they look and what they did :))it’s similar to Japanese culture, too. Very few anime characters known for the physique were the main character and the most powerful, you can recall any (such as second phase of Cell , Trunks in the Dragon Ball).
You can´t produce talents if the country isn´t enthusiastic about the game of basketball, no matter how much money you pour into the youth developing programms. In such countries, like China, you would need an basketball academy, where kids are 5 days a week occupied with basketball, to bring them on the same level the Balkan´s kids are, for example. The reason for it is, on Balkans kids grow up watching grown ups play 3 on 3 every day in front of their house. They pick up basketball talk from the elders at a young age, they pick up certain movement, style of play (pass first mentality). During breaks kids are all proud to shoot the ball and they might get an advice on shooting or dribbling. Most of the time the parents also know a lot about the game and they watch it so kids grow up with the game. It was like that 30 years ago, while I was a child, and it still is now. To give you a picture, last summer I went back to Balkans for a vacation. Got on the court at 9:30 to get some shots up. At 10:00, 10:15 first kids arrived. Watched me for a while and then asked if they can shoot too, even knowing the unwritten rule. You rebound until the other guy misses his shot. 10 minutes later I was watching 10/11 years old kids playing 3 on 3. Later that day, in the evening, you have like 8 teams playing each other 3 on 3 on both baskets and a bunch of kids running around and cheering for their local "idols". They hear phrases like, set the screen, cut through, just slip, play d or you ain´t getting the ball, pass or get out, aso. As a youth coach in a western country with enough ressources, but not a basketball nation, you get kids with no basic knowledge for the game and with 3 practices a week à 1,5 hours you can´t teach them what kids from basketball nations learn on the streets, or at home, day in day out.
"Balkans kids grow up watching grown ups play 3 on 3 every day in front of their house" I don't think this is about enthusiasm: You see, without special programs that guarantees financial support and future path (to university) as a 体特(as you have pointed out, the programs allow those kids to receive higher education with lower threshold for standardized examinations), it isn't really viable to commit as much time (regardless of your interest in the sport) without risk of falling behind in exams, which actually does severely limit your odds of having a career in the sport
@@yty1941 The problem is that Chinese people are utilitarian, gongli zhuyi. No matter what path there is, parents will not allow their kids to do anything except study. They teach their kids to go to university to make money. They have no values and are morally bankrupt.
There’s one player with hope of being selected in the first round in the following 1-3 years called Hansen Yang. Has the shooting and passing, kind of like a skinny and slower version of Jokic. If he could get stronger and more stable defensively (mainly because faster) he could be in the NBA and that’s pretty much our only hope.
You need at least a 30' video to explain all the nuances to developing young coaching and young player talent along with the basketball identity. My best guess is that China is overly relying on foreign influence, such as NBA players and European coaches to develop the game. Sending coaches abroad that will coach a younger generation would be a smarter move than bringing over European coaches. Also, as you pointed out, too much money is spent on NBA players, again most of that money should go towards developing a coaching mentality that will shape the generations to come. Sjajan video brat moj!
The culture is different, sport isn't considered a viable career path so parents generally aren't supportive. I remember I wanted to learn soccer when I was little but I was sent to a maths class on Saturdays instead.
Philippine Basketball is improving talent wise but corporate politics is fuckin up the system leaving talented players switch to Japanese and Korean Leagues.
And it's actually helping the country, coz those pool of talents are also the ones volunteering to suit up for the national team. More international exposure will test their metal, helping them be sharper & more reliable. Only re-occurring problem's the coaches & the prep time. But with the new acquisitions of Tim Cone or maybe a Tab Baldwin? I don't think it's going to be the case in the near future.
@@GOlone9597 Tbh, I've noticed that in how a lot of Filipinos play. There was a comment mentioning how some young players in China are really skilled but they lack the youth leagues to really develop them as an effective team players. I think Philippines are the exact same way except I would argue they're much worse. China has at least produced a handful of NBA players while the Philippines, as a country not as a people, has produced zero. Every time I play with young Filipinos it's always the same situation. Even if they're good, they're not good. I feel like this came from idolizing players like Kobe but it's almost always ISO, ISO, give up an easy pass to take a tough shot, and brick it, just low basketball IQ stuff. It's a tale of two halves cause I also played with older Filipinos and it's the opposite, they borderline pass too much and they always play zone. It's a shame because there's no country that loves basketball as much as the Philippines but they lack real infrastructure to really develop talent.
I teach in China. There are few youth leagues and even fewer school leagues for Chinese students, for any sports. They are focused more on their studies.
Only sports China tends to dominate in are ones with more form orientation like track and field/Marathon, Speed skating or other Olympic only form sports with exceptions of Badminton no longer an Olympic sport due to diving to avoid specific players but for a long time was not an Olympic sport until 2000 Olympics and table tennis where for a long time was not an Olympic sport until 2008 Olympics. Basically, China only cares about Olympic sports as a kind of political gain and will go for form specific events as it is easier to train people for said sport if you know most efficient forms to copy.
@@OrthodoxTsarist Yes, well was an Olympic sport kind of like Badminton where some people in India or Korea were tanking early rounds away from higher ranked Chinse players in Olympics or World Championships so they could have an easier time winning events, about few times higher ranked Chinese would win events and why after London 2012 being in since 2000 like Badminton when on trial was skipped as a sport in Olympics because of high ranked players tanking to win bronze
@@atomsk1972 Previous incidences of foreign ballers playing below par and involved in on-court brawls . Coach from past and present...that made questionable decisions in coaching and players selection .
It's wild that they haven't gotten players to the NBA in the past decade. I'm from The Bahamas which has 400k people and we've sent 3 people to the NBA over the past decade and we have another on the way next year.
There's also just racism in the NBA. Jeremy Lin balled out after finally getting a chance after years of riding the bench, it's a shame that injuries ruined him. Yuta Watanabe's potential (yeah I know he's Japanese but similar situation) was also likely far higher than what he'll end up being. And those are the exceptions; imagine how many talented players of Asian descent get filtered out due to skin color before this point.
Great video, since like 2020 I’ve been really interested how different countries handle different popular American sports. Mainly just looked up American Football/baseball but this is a good jumping off point for me when it comes to basketball/FIBA
the problem is more around development like he mentioned, and it's tough to really compare apples to oranges in the snese of the nations being compared to China. the countries he even compares China to in Asia have really different society and challenges thtat there isn't a fair comparison. Japan and RoK are nations with high levels of economic development that have resources to teach players young and make sure it's economically viable for them in the future when they become adult prospects. The reason CHinese players don't want to leave is that they know to a level theyre lacking skills wise, but it's not their fault and if they were to leave then they'd be out of a job. Players are people to and often have to take care of their families interest. Not sure why that's hard for people to understand. In the Philippines, that's why our version of Wang Zhelin didnt really go anywhere abroad (Jun Mar Fajardo). If he were to go overseas, it would've been too late for him to develop a jumper or mobility. He was poor and went to relatively small college in the Visayas. That's not his fault that he didn't have the resources. But now as a pro in the domestic league, he's got money and income security. Why jeopardize that?
Because this is about the sport, not the economics. If basketball were simply a job, it would lose its meaning. There needs to breakthroughs on an individual and collective level to make the sport entertaining to participate in and watch.
@@jakelee7083 I understand that it's about the sport aspect, but it's simply unrealistic to expect that a plurality of players will be able to make those marked improvements without the right conditions. People who make it out and are successful are the exceptions and not the rule. Plus, access to resources to make improvements happen (experienced coaching, nutritionists, physical therapists, etc) cost money and that's part of that equation that inextricably can't be separated. It's no secret why many teams of countries that are generally poore are comprised of players who are in leagues outside of the country that can provide those resources to their players. It's a mix of factors. I'm not saying that Chinese players or players from poor countries can't be successful, but that on a wide scale they need the right environment to make development of players more universal.
@@ice8erg I'm not saying China or other Asian teams aren't bad, because they are bad. I'm simply saying that the economic side needs to be considered for them to improve. that's not an excuse. it's simply really. if they aren't as poor, maybe they will get better.
Watching the vid right now, but I wanted to mention Hansen Yang is dominating the CBA at 18 years old and will most likely be drafted in the 2024 draft. Their first prospect in a while.
As Asians we are not meant to compete with black or white, mainly black, players around the world, mostly the USA, and that is all you need to know. Something is just meant to be.
@@vivienneduong6541 most defeatist, and might I add, incorrect opinion I've ever heard. Africans, Eurasians, and Asians are all part of the same species, homo sapiens. There's gotta be at least ONE, if not a dozen, of Chinese folks who can make it to the NBA in theory, but cannot due to cram school and the insane academic workload, or got injured, or lost the desire to compete with the intense pressure on their shoulders. I've played my fair share of basketball and while I'm not the best, not every white or black guy instantly beats me? I don't just look at a black guy and say, "this is his sport, I'll never win." Where's the fun in a game without a little competition? You want to know where the real problem lies? How we teach our kids. Sports and physical activities were never important. Back when I was in elementary school in China, whenever there's something that comes up that the entire school needs to attend, we'd cut our precious 1 physical education class. Or art class. Or music class. Never math or Chinese classes. Physical education was always the first class to be cut. When I played for fun on a mediocre Asian-only team against mediocre black, white, Arab teams, you know what's the situation on the benches? There's like 2 siblings on the Asian team's benches. No parents. All the other teams had their benches filled. Kids aren't dumb. Most kids live day to day, for pleasure. Pleasing themselves and pleasing their parents. How do you think they react once they see the benches are empty? It doesn't matter how well you do, you'll never get praised for it. So they stop trying so damn hard at the game. This is the most important part. Chinese parents not encouraging their kids to try their hands at different things to see if they're good at something different. No, Chinese parents want the kid who's good in math and good with reading. They want the obedient kid who goes to med school and gets straight As, graduate with honors, become a doctor, and get married and have 2 kids immediately after graduation. Straight out of a cookie cutter mold. Basketball, does not fit their cookie cutter mold.
@@vivienneduong6541😂 what? So don't compete with black or white people in muay thai, wrestling, weightlifting? Which sport? Are you stuck in the medieval times?
Chinese coaches are so toxic. i remember in hs i had a chinese coach man was straight adamant that only the center could enter the paint, only the sg could shoot and that the sf and pg should never touch the ball for more then 1 dribble 😂😂😂
Exactly. They do this to kids that are only 8-12 years old. This is the effective way to kill the talent of big guys. They is why the forwards in China are so bad at passing or dribbling the ball. They were probability tall among their peers when young.
-- As an Chinese American, man do we suck. There is zero creativity (well, minimal). Chinese culture is simply to take a good idea and spam it to the n-th degree. I will say that: culturally speaking, copying is a form of flattery. Anyway, it's why Japan produces great cars; S Koreans are taking over via LG and Samsung, why Taiwan produce 90% of all superchips (2024), and why China is only the king of manufacturing.
Yea im ngl, taiwan is the same. I think a great point you made is the switch to 12 minute quarters to align themselves with NBA (Taiwan did it in 2020). Yes it makes the game longer and the audience has more content to watch, but it is clear players are not cut out for it yet as they are straight up tired by the middle of the third quarter, leading to mental lapses and a complete drop in points scored. And then they have to play in FIBA international competition back under 10 minute quarters and cannot adjust cause the timing and value of each possession becomes completely different and that further tanks the team's points per game.
Look at Indonesia, same point, cant defend without fouling etc, but overall i think it more about fundamental skill and facility to provide those young people that want to grow their talent
Thanks for the video. This Q happened to come into my head a couple of days ago so coming across this video without searching was quite cool. Great work. I've subscribed.
They're not as bad as others perceive, but they have fallen just a bit in recent years. Other Asian teams still have to be at their best when playing them.
I lived in Beijing for two years, and the crazy thing is, EVERYONE plays basketball there. EVERYONE knows the famous nba players. You see NBA jerseys being worn all the time. This was 2008. Its so weird that they havent had many many more stars, cause the passion and work ethic has been there for decades. I also remember them not really caring about Yao any more than someone else. They liked the same big names that people liked in the West. Saw way more McGrady jerseys.
China doesn't need to produce "unicorns" to get into the NBA. As the rules changed to benefit shorter perimeter type back court players, the percentage of the Chinese population that could potentially play in the NBA increases exponentially. Instead of needing someone 6'8 to 7 feet tall like before, now someone 6'3 to 6'7 can dominate the league (Steph Curry to Luka Doncic). If there's one thing Chinese have done historically well, it's practice extra hard at difficult things. Just look at their acrobats and martial artists. Any day now, multiple Chinese players are going to enter the draft as "3 point specialists".
This reminded me a lot of a scenario some of my old jazz school professors described about doing an improvisation workshop in Beijing. The participants dug the workshop, but the kept asking what are the "rules" of the jazz improvisation. This might also factor into the cultural attitude of the country but players in really serious competition NEED to be great improvisational skills within the game to be successful. Textbook ball gets picked apart at the highest level, and frankly, the mindset is a part of it to. I think one of the strongest aspects, and probably most defining features of the american game (which also got exported after the iron curtain fell) is the innovation/flexibility of the in-game experience. Thinking of someone like Spo vs a Chinese team just annihilating defenses with creative offenses...
they where so desperate when they lost to Philippines as a host country, they accused the top player of failing doping test,they tried to see if they can still take the gold
Lost to tiny Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a pretty decent team. They placed 12th in the World Cup out of 32 teams. I mean Latvia is tiny too but they placed 5th in the World Cup
This story is eerily similar to Mexican football in the same time (00s-present) with it culminating in their first time not making it out of groups in a million years. They both have the same problem, a high paying domestic league that is not the pinnacle of talent in the world.
A better question would be why aren’t the Netherlands one of the best in the world at basketball? They have the height, the money to invest and anything else they need at their fingertips including location because they’re in Europe which is a continent well known for making great basketball players
Cause in general basketball is low as a popular sport here, football, professional cycling, speed skating, hockey and volleyball are more popular sports here. I think even darts is more popular then basketball. And yes i am talking about the Dutch.
None of that screams automatic basketball skills. How about hunger and genetics 🧬 🤡 Do you know how many tall guys suck can’t hit a basket and will get bodied by smaller guys. Right here in the states. Yall say anything on this fckn app
China also has very restrictive laws which isolates them from much needed outside expertise from development coaches they have top notch facilities but the coaches are not great because they only trust local guys who have a rigid way of doing things also there are a lot of these basketball schools who are more concerned with making money than teaching proper skills and its a shame that they have just become a market for selling apparel because the passion and infrastructure is there .
Chinese society is impetuous, eager for quick success and wants to make as much money as possible as quick as possible. This explains the basketball schools more concerned with making money than teaching proper skills.
A little correction: there was recently a prospect named Zeng Fanbo playing for the NBA G-League Ignite Team (2021/2022) and some prospects in the summer league, who were got cut before the start of season, like Ding Yanhuhang for the Dallas Mavericks (2017) or Zhang Zhenlin for the Phoenix Suns (2022).
He's not talking about prospects though. NBA "prospects" from China always get invited to the Summer League and it's honestly purely political to get at least one Chinese player in for representation. None of the players you mentioned were good enough to make the NBA. Fanbo Zeng probably had the best chance but I think he made the wrong choice going to G-League Ignite instead of NCAA at Gonzaga where he got offered.
@@Vincent-mz7vv he should've still played at Gonzaga. It would've been better fir his development as a player instead of playing limited minutes on a G-League Ignite Team that was full of talent already
@@TheLavenderPanda haha,unless he's a genius, players who jump over college basketball and go straight to the pros have all sorts of problems with their career progression
It's because the Japanese have taken over the Asian basketball scene. In last year's FIBA World Cup, the Japanese punched their ticket to the Olympics finishing 3-2. China was just 1-4.
@@tigerfist2864 Japan and china are in different groups in the FIBA World Cup 2023. Japan only played against germany, australia, finland, venezuela and cape verde.
@@tigerfist2864 Japan`s best players are in the NBA and NCAA so it`s difficult to assemble a complete line up in FIBA Asia cuz the schedules of the tournaments are ongoing at the same time. China had never faced japan`s complete line up of rui hachimura, yuta watanabe, keisei tominaga, yudai baba, yuki kawamura, hawkinson, bruce kanno, yuto williams, yuto kawashima, ogawa and hugh watanabe.
What team sports are China good at? I think all they've got now is women's volleyball. And volleyball is a somewhat weird team sport in that you don't fully interact with the other team, which gives you more free reign to play it very technically.
their women's basketball team is actually solid, but like the men's team they rely too much on raw size and it could potentially become a problem for them in the future
I still remember way back when Georgetown played over there and got into a huge fight. The Chinese could stand that they were being beat by college kids.
USA basketball level is very high. A high tier D1 college team like Georgetown is comparable to a tier 2 pro leagues in Europe and tier 1 pro league in Asia.
There's a lot of stories from Chinese families with tall boys about basketball schools sending recruits to see their kids even if the child never was interested in sports.
The problem is not about talent, the talent of Chinese players is actually not weaker than that of European players. They have many tall players, and many players have amazing jumping ability. The problem lies in the screening mechanism. China has 1.4 billion people, but only those who enter specialized sports schools can engage in the sports industry. But this also means that this child will not be able to engage in ordinary industries in the future, which is unacceptable for parents. Therefore, most people in the sports industry come from wealthy families. The problem is that if I don't play basketball well, I can still go home and enjoy life. At the same time, if the committee behind it doesn't take action, they are not willing to train hard at all. Speaking of Zhang Zhenling, he used to play basketball in the United States and played in CBA games after returning to China. During the game, a player from the opposing team angered him, and he directly took action and threatened the opponent. This is because his mother holds a high position of power in government.
Main issue is genes, chinese men who are the same height as whites and african americans, on average they have shorter legs, longer backs, shorter wingspans, smaller frames. As a chinese who was born in america and played against all races, all of those disadvantages adds up. Either i cant stay in front of someone or i get posted up and i lose. Yao ming has short legs, short wingspan, but his skill and height made him good. Zhou qi has a tiny frame. Wang zhelin has a long neck and head, and short wingspan. I'm 5'7 with a 28 inch inseam, the shortest jeans i can get is 30 inch inseam, so my jeans are always a bit too long, but my height is slightly below average compared to 5'9 American male. My cousin is 5'8 with a 25 inch inseam. That tells you how its not all about height, its the tools.
I grew up in Xinjiang, China. When I was young, we would play basketball every day. 70% of the boys would participate in basketball activities. But we lack a coach and a regular game. We just amuse ourselves. The school has a varsity team, but there are only a few games each year. Even in Xinjiang's best CBA team, the Xinjiang Flying Tigers, the young players lack match training. But in some parts of China, especially in the south of China, many folk games began to exist, and even became a tourist resource,
Being a sport star, or making sport a career is just a very remote thing to an average Chinese family. You can say it is the society that lacks the sporting culture. This also reflects a typical Chinese mindset that is always invest in a reliable and long-term economics. Playing professional level sport is hard, costly and doesn't guarantee a return. That's why most Chinese families would rather send their kids to schools to become engineers or doctors. We see this in Chinese families in US too.
Bull fucking shit lmao, sure you’d get the game but chinas not birthing a lot 6ft mfs let ALONE guys built like Michael and even if they are tall they’re not half as athletic 🤣
Yi Jianlian was supposed to be an athletic big who could do modern NBA things. And he kinda could. Just not quite well enough to stick around. (As for the others, the CBA just doesn't prepare players for top level play AT ALL, as you pointed out more or less. It's a defense optional league with a shallow talent pool, even more so since it's become a less congenial place for high level foreigners since a bunch of CBA teams failed to deliver on big contracts.)
I grew up in China and i love basketball. Here is what i found that causing issues:1. Resources are used in wasted talent and not open to all young people. No one train me and i can beat a so-called "athlete" on 100 m sprint!! 2.Relationships matters more!! If you do not have any relationship with coach or a great family, you will be bullied and treated like a asshole! a guy with 1.8 m high in my high school was beaten because his family is poor!! 3.Training is missing and teacher never taught us good knowledge of how train muscle or how to prevent injury or how to play basketball! the teacher who taught us physical class only taught us to be like guard of honor... like 45 min for a class... 30 min is used for guard of honor.... 15 min free activities... What the hell!! we can just grab a guy form street to teach us!!! what do you think??????!!!!!!! The physical class teacher only bully and laugh at my classmate and me... Or worse cases, the physical class was taken over by other course due to university entrance exam....
Height plays a role. Chinese men are on average 5’7 compared to America which is 5’9… and America is not that tall. That means the extreme sides of height are even more rare in china i.e. 6’4+… that coupled with weak coaching and development compared to the west and weaker competition compared to collegiate America, euro league etc. means they are going to struggle… similar to how India with it’s massive population produced very few nba players. Also need to take politics into account with china and America being enemies 95% of the time.
america is even taller with its us born population, maybe 5'10. the reason people say its 5'9 is all of the latinos who migrated here who drop the average.
@@Th1sIsMyLegacy but youre not comparing apples to apples. chinas population is much more ethnically homogenous, therefore less likely to deviate from the median norm. americas population is much more varried. people whose family descends from western europe or sub-saharan west africa are considerably taller then more recent colonizers from latin america, east asia, and the philippines. hence why americas height has been declining for decades
The real question is why is Croatia so bad at basketball? The answer is refs. Not in a way that you think. What happened here is that refs took over the institutions in the country after we become independent and basically killed basketball including players, coaches, development and the national team (while collecting money in the wake of that destruction). There are still some players here and there who develop inspite of our institutions, mostly by trying to stay clear from domestic clubs and destructive development culture. As a result of almost 30 years of this destruction, we are barely better than Romania and Netherlands now, and probably worse than Finland - which is somewhere between tragic and hilarious. Still should be better than China though (just).
As a finn, I have to say that finnish basketball league (and thus also finnish basketball in total) is currently in its growth phase. For example, I wouldn't be suprised if somebody said to me that 'team X' from town of barely 20 000 people is going to be one of top leagues in 1st division in 10 years despite playing only in 3rd highest division right now. On the other hand, if somebody claimed same regarding finnish icehockey/football, my answer would be:😂😂😂😂😂😂 NO WAY!!!😂😂😂😂
I would have never guessed, given the number of Croatian players that are currently in the NBA playing big roles on their respective teams and all the ones that did so in the past 20 or so years
As a Serb, you are mostly unlucky, talent is there, but peoples interest in basketball is little bit lower and your domestic league is trash, our league is not much better but we still have 4 5 teams that are good and Red Star and Partizan which are Euroleague teams while your only good team is Cedevita
The CBA Chinese basketball Association is a very rich league. They will pay very good money to their player and the player over there doesn’t need to be trained as hard as NBA player.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 You are funny, I watched 100s of games and it's a mixed bag of scrap imports and incompetent locals...but hey you tell me differently expert...FUNNY LOL
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Then why comment like you are some sort of CBA authority? You can watch multiple leagues, teams, and even sports, no issue but then acting like the CBA is sacred is just dumb asf
My issue with basketball is that it discriminates potential professionals based on height. I am 5 foot 10 and no matter how hard I train, I can only realistically be good enough for the neighbourhood league. There is no way I can be good enough for the nba. However, soccer.......that's different. So I have no tears for basketball in china. I wish it remains unpopular because it is a sports for tall people. I hope china can focus more in soccer because that is a sport that anyone can play. tall or short. Now, another thing that I would love to see is that they could lower the height of the ring. That would make the sport more accessible to shorter guys and with it, more athleticism.
Don't worry, China isn't the only country who experienced this. The Philippines too, I mean the system itself is just fucked up. :) UPDATE: The top Basketball league here in PH is still SUCKS ASF, but the new head coach of team PH national team is extremely good! I mean, we averaged 30 APG during the first window of FIBA Asia Cup Qualifiers! Looking forward to their upcoming matches
Taiwan's basketball is even worse. The league here is pretty popular but the level of play is atrocious. We have MULTIPLE basketball leagues and 15 different teams in total on this small island. A lot of players aren't even that good but there are so many roster spots so they still get a lot of minutes.
@@bowenchen4908 yeah but for me China isn't suck at all and it's still a contenders and I'm still thankful that we beat em twice in a row. What I mean is our own top tier league SUCKS 🤦♂️
A important reason why chinese is not so good in basketball is that lets say a nba player at 6.10 has in general 3-4 inches longer arms then a similar tall chinese player.
The NBA didn't "transform". They changed the rules to make the paint a less good place to be. Between 2001 and 2004, a series of rules changes created the modern NBA. In 2001-2002, they legalized the zone, letting defensive players enter the paint without a man to guard for 3 seconds. This makes doubleteaming people in the low post *TRIVIAL*, and is why you no longer see big guys dominating in the paint the way Shaq used to do. Of course, the problem was that with a counter to bigs in the low post, the game got incredibly low scoring, with the pace of play slowing, and defensive teams immediately becoming relevant. Field goal percentages drop to the lowest since 1965. The league panics, and institutes new 'freedom of movement' rules, which make perimeter defense all but illegal. The natural result has been a game focused on a spread pick-and-roll small-ball which nobody can stop, which is why we now see ever increasing scoring records. It's not talent, it's not skill, it's the RULES.
The real problem is that the Northern Chinese people are generally taller but lack the power and explosiveness for contact sports. Southern Chinese population, Janpanese and some Southeastern Asians are better athletes compared to the Northern Chinese. Despite this fact, Chinese government generally favour the taller Northern basketball potential talents.
Skills also play a factor in it. Nikola Jokic not the greatest athlete. But he’s so skilled it doesn’t matter and guys can’t guard him. Like the video said. The other Asian countries are letting their talent play outside of their countries. Go against the best in other countries. Iron sharpens iron. While the Chinese are keeping their players in China playing in rigged games for the CBA.
If you're a kid in China and you're playing basketball, your ENTIRE family, from mom and dad, to siblings, to aunts and uncles to grandma and grandpa and even down to your cousins ...will collectively trash talk you for wasting your time, potential and their money. You need to study, then study some more, then go back and study harder. That means millions of talented athletes never set foot on a basketball court, a hockey rink, a soccer pitch or a baseball diamond.
The culture is slowly changing in China. The Chinese govt is trying to shift away from the study 24x7 culture in schools, and promote a more balanced lifestyle. Heck their regulating the amount of games kids can play per week. The culture will slowly get better
@@AZ-rg3rf Not as long as they have the Gaokao bro. They do have more access to professional coaching IF the parents let them play, but the vast majority of parents still view anything distracting them from studying as an enemy of the family post elementary school.
@@unnaturalselection8330 yeah, eventually they'll have to do something about the gaokao as well. I got faith it'll happen, but will probably take many years though
you'd think that 1.4B people would have the numerical edge to overcome that kind of culture. That's three times the population of the US alone. Maybe they just don't have the genes to dominate 🤷🏾
@@ajmm8 Problem being the only kids playing sports are really, really unintelligent and/or have no family backing for anything. Combine that with the lack of funding for facilities that a general lack of interest generates and you have very little talent being nurtured and schooled in the games.
First I‘m very happy to see your video then let me tell you a true story that happened to me about the age issue of Chinese basketball players.I was born in 2002. In the spring of 2018, I followed my high school basketball team to compete with the Zibo Experimental High School basketball team in Shandong Province, China. Our opponent changed two players on the day before the game.Two players joined, one named Duan Angjun and the other named Yang Hansen. When I see their data, it shows that they were born in 2001. Four years later in 2022, I saw the name Yang Hansen again. He was already a key player in the Chinese U18 national team in 2022, but his date of birth changed to 2005. This is also the main reason why many Chinese players were strong when they were young, but later they losing strength
Philippines start winning against China since Young college Ballers decide to play overseas lile KBL and B League!!! Definitely local League like PBA is the culprit on stagnation of talent in Philippines!
我觉得另外一个大问题是球员心态。羽毛球其实世界第二大运动，打得很好。网球和排球都不错。我们先不说超巨星因为这里确实有身体素质问题。篮球这几年来其实有好几个可以进g league 的球员。例如曾凡博。看看NBA出来像luka这种选秀选的很高的球员大多都从g league 开始。但是中国球员没有愿意去g league打的，都回了国在cba打。可能应为离家近，或者语言文化之类的原因，但是能在cba挣钱就不想nba了。从某种角度我能理解。在g league打球确实可能培养几年去NBA，可是收入低。每个人更具自己家里不同的经济情况可能会做出不一样的决定。
I play basketball in China as a true fan of basketball and one big reason Chinese aren’t great is because even if they’re athletic they don’t play team basketball everyone is a hero shooter no matter if they’re being guarded by 3 people 😂. The young kids and most adults also play half court games. In America, as well as Philippines only really plays full court even if there’s 5 teams.
Not anymore. China women's soccer team is also performing much worse than before. They have outrageous contracts appendix says if national teams wants a player back for training the teams must release them and the national team training can take two months, the end result is no teams want to sign Chinese players unless said players are top stars like Wang Shuang or she can avoid getting called back to the national team.
In the past decade, we can say China's national basketball team has not been as good as before, failing to qualify for the Olympics twice in a row. However, in Asia, it is still a strong team in the top four that easily break into the FIBA World Cup
Nah let’s just be brutally honest. Asian just wasn’t designed for basketball, plain and simple. Our muscles grow differently than other race making it hard to developed explosive strength while preserving healthy joints and bones. Our frame are a lot smaller, and our population density led to high pollution in both environments and diets. Almost half the people I know grew up with health issues, allergies or unhealthy bone structure. And coming from a Division one HS athlete in Taiwan, I guarantee you we train harder than any US athlete as students. E only attend to classes til midday and went straight to practice after launch. Most practices will last til 9pm and you wake up heading to training before breakfast for 2 hours.
@@AZ-rg3rf Jeremy Lin can’t even play one healthy season when he’s trusted by coaches to play important role. Super athletic but joints and bones said no
@@ThePoorFluffy he was getting hammered left and right with flagrant calls that refs mysteriously didnt call. Not many backcourt players can last with that kind of punishment
@@AZ-rg3rf If you’re talking about that YT video, man any player that rely heavily on driving inside could have that amount of missed calls. If he ever was an all star then ref might got more pressure but throughout his career he’s been fighting hard to secure playing time from coaches and star players. I agree that NBA treated him unfairly but tbh he didn’t play that many minutes to be worn out so quickly
@@ThePoorFluffy Jeremy Lin had the quickest measured first step in his draft class. If he was given the opportunity to develop properly, with psychological safety instead of pushing himself every day knowing he's one bad game away from riding the bench, he probably would have had a better chance at preserving his health.
Good video, but some hope for China, their Fiba U17 team had a solid showing in the U17 World Cup. They picked up a win over France and were competitive in all of their games except for the USA. Sinan Huan is a skilled 7 footer who plays in America and has a scholarship offer from Arizona State.
very typical of Chinese beaurocracy, they always prefer to sweep problems under the rug rather than to address them, even when it's literally the elephant in the room
He chose to go back to China. He didn’t want to play in the g league. I think that’s the other thing. With a domestic league that pays well(no where near nba but better than g league) many Chinese prospects choose not to spend time in the g league.
China is good at diving and table tennis and badminton. I mean you can't be good at everything. India have 1.45 Billion people but can't produce a Soccer team but they are excellent at Cricket.
Because Soccer is a simple , corrupt , and boring game . Cricket is a part of Indian sports culture so it makes sense that it is the most popular Indians can't produce also basketball , handball , volleyball , Water Polo , baseball Every country has its own sport .
China's government started a curling development program in 1999. Just ten years later in 2009 China's women's team won the curling world championship.
Why would anyone try to copy NBA.. games are sick but the culture and media around it is just boring af... 4x4 trucks, meaty subway subs, insurances and lawyer companies. Even the halftime shows are bland af. But each to their own and every country figures what works for them the best money-wise.
but actually chinese basketball association is not working for the best money wise . 1. chinsese version Tiktok has more basketball tiktokors make more than CBA players. 2. chinese national team player Xujie is paid 200 ,000 us dallors a year(before tax). this league is not attractive for young talented players. 3. 2020 the Broadcasting contract signed at 278million us dollars for 5 years. Due to pandamic restriction and game rules, cba is becoming less attractive for audience, next contract price will protecially decrease, which means pay less to the clubs and players. 4. a lot of curruption problems like football league in china, Yao Ming as the chairman of CBA is not able to change on his own. its a systematic problem.
In the past decade, China's national basketball team has only not been as good as before, failing to qualify for the Olympics twice in a row. However, in Asia, it is still a strong team in the top four that easily break into the fiba World Cup
Lol, it’s not a part of Chinese culture. Asians in general don’t have that creativity that comes from the blacktops. Their games are fairly perfunctory.
I lived in China many years. No kids walked around with varsity/club jackets indicating they played organized sports like in other parts of the world. Parents and society valued educational success more. Only elite sites to nurture talents that weren't accessible to the average person. I remember walking through the courtyard of the school everyday with students all over bumping a volleybal for the WHOLE class, whole semester. Never playing a game or even knowing/trying hand setting not once. When I showed them they thought it was some illegal move.
They don't value sports as much as the USA. What I mean by that are parents would rather have their kids study than play sports and that heavily hindered their development since tons of prospect start at a very young age. Their programs aren't the best because the lack of interest to further the sport. Plus they just aren't as tall.
The main problem is that no Chinese parents want their children to be an athlete. Being an athlete is not appreciated in the school and the society. People who choose to go with a professional sport career usually are considered as low intelligence.
@@jdam6017Chinese parents just realize that they are smaller in stature and steer their kids away from sports that are so dependent on size and athleticism.
cos their country is poor AF and their leaders are corrupted...they don't even have proper courts over there..im sure if they had the system US had, they'd have plenty of basketball talents there. Blacks are the best at basketball and this is the truth.
African countries don’t invest in Sports, I mean the government they have bigger issues to deal with. All those African Athletes that succeed made it by themselves without their Government support.
@@leroi5342 - so why do you need to Gov to support it? If you’re a businessman and you know your race is dominant in Basketball due to your genetics you open up a gym and become agents for these guys…. Basically what you’re saying is Africans are stupid and do not know how to monetize their god given talents and blame the government for their failures…kinda sound like BLM
there's a reason why Village Basketball is so popular in China. at least for now it's more true to the sport. I don't think anyone was surprised by the game fixing, as if it was the first time. everything at scale in china is fundamentally based on money and power and nothing else. say what you may about the NBA but stars like Kobe showed that despite the money, love of the game, was ultimately the most important thing.
If chinese were smart, they would have a bilingual program for thier basketball teams. Being able to effectively communicate matters on and off the court.
I live in China. There are some very good basketball players here. I play with them, and have coached some for schools. The difference is that glory ball is still number one. Who can look the coolest. But, when you find a group that works together as a team they do very well. Also, there is a difference here about being a fan. Most follow a player, not a team
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The weird thing is that the China's Women team are actually one of the best in the world. So why not whatever magic they are doing with the women do the same with the men?
@@icyboy771z men , do not use women sports to determine the sports strength of a country.
China government uses their tax revenue for what their governor want but not for economic or citizen's need.
They use much more money on women basketball than other country.
Just like women football can win Iraq, but men foot ball lost for 7:0
The reason China have no close sport celebrities is that China is a 'developing country'. The countries produce close sport celebrities only have two conditions: people love that sport, or its the only way to make rich, such as Brazil, Argentina etc. China government prefer to spend money on the agriculture, infrastructure, technology, and any way to make country great instead of sports.
The NBA have changed. Before the three point shooting era we have now, you can see South American/African/Asian countries produce NBA player as long as you have the size and quickness necessary to thrive in the NBA. However, everything changed when we started playing the European style of basketball
@@masterkongming this is not the 90s, yes there are some rural and poor areas but generally China is developed country alrdy. They are far ahead in tech in some areas compared to the West.
If you make a video about Philippines basketball, you can recycle most of the talking points and still be right.
you mean how kai sotto is trash?
@@PC_Powerlifting As a filipino i sadly agree
@@CupGreen china won 38 gold in 2020 olympics, Philippines only one.
@@CupGreen so? He's taiwanese related. China has other sports that can compete for gold this year. Enjoy your one gold medal.
@@CupGreen Jordan Clarkson is an American just as Bruno Mars is not Filipino
One time I talked with a guy who taught in china, and as a American he was a big fan of basketball. He noticed that the kids there loved the sport, just loved it and worked hard at it, but that they had no concept of playing as a team. They lacked any kind of youth leagues so these kids were technically skilled but when he organized games they all fell apart. Obviously this is anecdotal but does carry weight with what you talked about in the video.
Oh I thought they claim to be the most intelligent 😂
The lack of organized competition is true. Additionally, their conditioning isn't on the same level as US/EU players as well. China is always a top team in Asia but coming out of Asia they suck really bad. Long gone are the days of players like Yao and Wang Zhi Zhi.
And the intersting fact is, it´s the same in other Team Sports.
@@ice8ergthat's the lie that white Americans want people to believe so they can justify their treatment of black people.
@@ice8erg Too intelligent to work as a team it seems, and that's definitely a problem
I used to play in the CBA youth league. In addition to the points you mentioned, there are common problems with the age of Chinese players. When Zhou Qi was 16 years old, he was actually 19 years old. The Chinese team defeated Serbia under his leadership. What I want to say is that they have not had enough training since childhood and grew up in a relaxed environment. Easily beating players like me. Who didn't hide their true age. Chinese coaches are a piece of shit too, you have to bribe them for playing time, same goes for table tennis. In addition, China's team culture is very fragile internally, and everyone is plotting against everyone else. They play like gangsters in the league, and many of their moves are aimed at causing permanent damage to their opponents.
Impetuous society. Pretty much all CBA players are age changers. Anybody born supposedly in the 80s and 90s changed their age. The only guy I know who did not is Yao lol
PRC is still the top 2 best Table Tennis nation in the World .
One thing I notice, culturally, even as an Asian, is that a lot of the anxieties in collaborative environments, even sport, are very feminine in nature. I was listening to one of those podcasts on "what women want" and it covered the spectrum of female competitiveness vs collaboration and weirdly enough, many of us Asian men are very thorny with one another in the same way how western women are with how they view team effort, competition, rivalry in that environment. There's an overtly-emotional component that, while does show outright on the sleeve, is certainly applicable in terms of the interpersonal dynamism in these communal endeavors. There's "threat", "opportunity", "emphasis" ... all very much the same navigational doctrine that women operate on, so perhaps a psychological lean towards this sort of school of understanding may help with the development.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 that is because table tennis is small sport, it got less corrupted ,big sport that earn money like Football and Basketball are corrupted af.
Yeah. This kind of issues and toxic environment are pretty similar to Vietnam football league. You need to bribe the coach for playing time. Team spirit are not well built because of competition between different groups of players. And man, age cheat are common. Most potential youth players are about 3 years older than their registered age.
Cultural mindset plays the most important role, and the league is not strong enough to change its. There is in China a joke that says:"If a Micheal Jordan popped up in China, he wouldn't get a shot at hoops, he'd be drowned in cram school.", this because mostly of chinese children have their time filled with classes or tutoring activities since very young age. In a enviroment that value academic achievements far more than sports, there is rarely conditions needed to develop top class basket players.
that's a possible reason, but it doesn't quite apply. There are many students who are either noticed to be talented at sports at a young age or are placed into sporting programs because they show little aptitude for education, and they get groomed young and with the Chinese work ethic, they practice hard. So for the most part, there is no reason why China should suck at basketball, besides the fact that they don't care and they don't want to be good at it. Because despite the emphasis toward education etc, China is an athletic beast, just look at the olympics. They always win the most golds despite not winning the most medals, which is insane, because the medal distribution should be more bronze and silver and less gold due to the difference in difficulty of achieving the, but China is reversed with more gold than either silver or bronze. They clearly can become the best, when they feel like it. China is so good at diving, weightlifting, gymnastics, badminton, and table tennis. That's just because they care about it. Look at sport-centric USA, who sucks at table tennis, like just terrible on the world stage. But USA has great basketball, baseball teams... It's about cultural interest, which drives funding.
@@chimysharkbasketball is the most popular sport. They stuck because they lack creativity and flow
@@davruck1 not so popular in China, if they cared, trust me they would train for it.
@@chimyshark Black kids were dominating with no organized programs or formal training. You can’t stop greatness
@@davruck1 Well that's just an arbitrary statement that may or may not be true. It's like if I just randomly said I banged your mom, she was good. Is this type of statement meant to be believed? Let's be realistic, China is ahead of basically all of Africa in FIBA world rankings. Being black is just one factor, but don't come spewing nonsense like "no organized programs or formal training" will still dominate. Genetics probably accounts for 10-20% advantage, but the other 80% comes from training and if China cared more, they'd definitely be much better than they are now.
As a Chinese basketball fan, I would agree with every point you mentioned. Another thing I want to add is, those professional athletics programs have never been connected with common education in China. In China, a child has to decide to become a professional athlete or not in their middle school age or even in their primary school age. But how can anyone know if a child is talented enough to play professional sports when he is only 12 years old??? So coaches only choose kids who is tall enough, or whose parents are tall enough, and that's why China has better center and big forward than its guard. After that, those chosen professional athlete kids doing training everyday, those unchosen kids study everyday and has no chance to get in touch with any real basketball team, totally separate no intersection at all. That's why Chinese sports population isn't coming from 1.4 billion of people, but only a small group of chosen kids. While in other countries, children can still enjoy and play competitive sports in their high school and college age, even 95% of them will not become a professional athlete eventually.
Retirement at age 12, common problem in Chinese soccer.
you just added another point that worths discussion from a familiar/parental perspective. here's mine, if you are interested and patient enough to read :)
-I'm a Chinese, and as a social science researcher who taguth in both China and US high schools as well as colleges, I would offer my insight here. The reason why China failed at basketball is a complexed issue composing of several factors. While the video did offer one possible explanation, it failed to explain the whole picture. The video seemed to focus on basketball training/education, highlighting the lack of creativity and decision-making in Chinese young basketball players, which I partially agree with. If you look from a macro perspective, the whole nation relies on such mechanism and the education system is typically tabula rasa in hope of making each individual a product to maintain efficiency in a collectivized society. If you happen to know any Chinese international students in the West, most of them are good at learning when you offer them a fomula or a structure, but unable to critically evaluate the context and generate this ideas on their own. this I would blame the Confuanism and the education system in China (or the authority did this on purpose to lower the chance of unrest and political protest). Having said that, however, apart from education issue, basketball failure of China is a reflection of the transition from their planned economy to market economy. Yaoming, Zhouqi, and Yi jianlian are all those "sports students" that trained and funded by the government to play well and fight for the national pride, which people in collectivized society need (because the society does not fully uphold individualistic values and property rights, and people dont have the vote to express their voice, the authority has to find some ways to make people feel honored to be in this group, which in this case, translate into sports performance of national team), So basically they are like soldiers who are paid to train well and fight for the country. However, in a more pragmatic approach by Chinese authority, they measure the difficulty of winning and how much national pride sports can offer to Chinese public, and the decision was made based on the number of gold medals during the Olympics. So the authoirty would fund Olympics games that were of lower popularity and thus less competition, so it is more efficient for them to train professional atheletes to achieve this goal. Therefore, when you see Chinese players winning gold medals, its usually women players winning those games that 99% of Chiense public never know, let alone public love and participation in the game. So the Chinese authority strategically abandoned basketball, and players after Yao, Wang zhizhi, and Yi jianlian receive less government funding, while Chinese schools are unlike the schools that have been training early-stage NBA players in US, because Chiense schools do not have the equal manpower and facility to compete with the past state-sponsored player training. Its such a big topic and a reflection of social change, I can write a paper about it lol.
Can't agree more@@Gasolonfreestyle
@@Gasolonfreestyle One of the biggest differences I noticed between China and the USA is that China does not have a real ghetto. China offered "free" education to all kids, making it extremely hard for one to give up academic growth over sports, cuz sports are way more competitive with way higher attrition rates. In other words, China does not have those kids who go to trash school just to be ready for the real jail. Nor would they need to join a gang to protect themselves. Once you have a much easier option, you automatically choose that one. Given the number of black kids who went to jail or got murdered after they failed to become pro, it is not hard to understand why China is bad at competitive sports. You just have to take away opportunities from the lower class to push them into sports.
@@Austin-xu1ws lol for that part you are I would say partially correct or offered an insightful observation. Yes, China is a basically ethnic homogenous society, so people don’t play identity politics like which group of people can only be good at what. For that part, I agree. As to why few people prefer sports, I would more attribute to Confucianism and its arguably biased view against people’s physique. The stereotype is, the more physically strong, the less underdeveloped the mind. And the preference has always been the mind over the body. So if you look at portraits of historical figures, those with very strong bodies in folk lores are usually described as less intelligent and reckless (Zhang fei, li kui, etc. by any chance if you know how how they look and what they did :))it’s similar to Japanese culture, too. Very few anime characters known for the physique were the main character and the most powerful, you can recall any (such as second phase of Cell , Trunks in the Dragon Ball).
You can´t produce talents if the country isn´t enthusiastic about the game of basketball, no matter how much money you pour into the youth developing programms. In such countries, like China, you would need an basketball academy, where kids are 5 days a week occupied with basketball, to bring them on the same level the Balkan´s kids are, for example. The reason for it is, on Balkans kids grow up watching grown ups play 3 on 3 every day in front of their house. They pick up basketball talk from the elders at a young age, they pick up certain movement, style of play (pass first mentality). During breaks kids are all proud to shoot the ball and they might get an advice on shooting or dribbling. Most of the time the parents also know a lot about the game and they watch it so kids grow up with the game.
It was like that 30 years ago, while I was a child, and it still is now. To give you a picture, last summer I went back to Balkans for a vacation. Got on the court at 9:30 to get some shots up. At 10:00, 10:15 first kids arrived. Watched me for a while and then asked if they can shoot too, even knowing the unwritten rule. You rebound until the other guy misses his shot. 10 minutes later I was watching 10/11 years old kids playing 3 on 3. Later that day, in the evening, you have like 8 teams playing each other 3 on 3 on both baskets and a bunch of kids running around and cheering for their local "idols". They hear phrases like, set the screen, cut through, just slip, play d or you ain´t getting the ball, pass or get out, aso.
As a youth coach in a western country with enough ressources, but not a basketball nation, you get kids with no basic knowledge for the game and with 3 practices a week à 1,5 hours you can´t teach them what kids from basketball nations learn on the streets, or at home, day in day out.
"Balkans kids grow up watching grown ups play 3 on 3 every day in front of their house"
I don't think this is about enthusiasm: You see, without special programs that guarantees financial support and future path (to university) as a 体特(as you have pointed out, the programs allow those kids to receive higher education with lower threshold for standardized examinations), it isn't really viable to commit as much time (regardless of your interest in the sport) without risk of falling behind in exams, which actually does severely limit your odds of having a career in the sport
@@yty1941 The problem is that Chinese people are utilitarian, gongli zhuyi. No matter what path there is, parents will not allow their kids to do anything except study. They teach their kids to go to university to make money. They have no values and are morally bankrupt.
There’s one player with hope of being selected in the first round in the following 1-3 years called Hansen Yang. Has the shooting and passing, kind of like a skinny and slower version of Jokic. If he could get stronger and more stable defensively (mainly because faster) he could be in the NBA and that’s pretty much our only hope.
首轮？？😂看看徐静雨和杨毅还有NBA球探怎么评价杨瀚森的吧，他比周琦都差一大截，如果参加NBA选秀，那结果就是落选。
You need at least a 30' video to explain all the nuances to developing young coaching and young player talent along with the basketball identity.
My best guess is that China is overly relying on foreign influence, such as NBA players and European coaches to develop the game. Sending coaches abroad that will coach a younger generation would be a smarter move than bringing over European coaches. Also, as you pointed out, too much money is spent on NBA players, again most of that money should go towards developing a coaching mentality that will shape the generations to come.
Sjajan video brat moj!
The pyramid system in China also sucks. For the most part players have to stay in province until they get into leagues higher in the pyramid.
@@afroabroad true that. We call that the "Public Servant Basketball"
The culture is different, sport isn't considered a viable career path so parents generally aren't supportive. I remember I wanted to learn soccer when I was little but I was sent to a maths class on Saturdays instead.
@@zwen3763 I'd really love to learn more about pros and cons of sports in China.
@@zwen3763 In no country is it considered "viable," almost everyone who tries to play will fail eventually
Philippine Basketball is improving talent wise but corporate politics is fuckin up the system leaving talented players switch to Japanese and Korean Leagues.
And it's actually helping the country, coz those pool of talents are also the ones volunteering to suit up for the national team. More international exposure will test their metal, helping them be sharper & more reliable.
Only re-occurring problem's the coaches & the prep time. But with the new acquisitions of Tim Cone or maybe a Tab Baldwin? I don't think it's going to be the case in the near future.
@@SoothinglyUnbenounced sadly not all can suit up because of money...
Funny without imports of foreign mixed Pinoy and full-blooded Blacks ... Philippines couldn't have defeated China .
the problem is, they don't have cohesion. They will only practice together weeks before a competition.
@@GOlone9597 Tbh, I've noticed that in how a lot of Filipinos play. There was a comment mentioning how some young players in China are really skilled but they lack the youth leagues to really develop them as an effective team players. I think Philippines are the exact same way except I would argue they're much worse. China has at least produced a handful of NBA players while the Philippines, as a country not as a people, has produced zero. Every time I play with young Filipinos it's always the same situation. Even if they're good, they're not good. I feel like this came from idolizing players like Kobe but it's almost always ISO, ISO, give up an easy pass to take a tough shot, and brick it, just low basketball IQ stuff. It's a tale of two halves cause I also played with older Filipinos and it's the opposite, they borderline pass too much and they always play zone. It's a shame because there's no country that loves basketball as much as the Philippines but they lack real infrastructure to really develop talent.
I teach in China. There are few youth leagues and even fewer school leagues for Chinese students, for any sports. They are focused more on their studies.
Only sports China tends to dominate in are ones with more form orientation like track and field/Marathon, Speed skating or other Olympic only form sports with exceptions of Badminton no longer an Olympic sport due to diving to avoid specific players but for a long time was not an Olympic sport until 2000 Olympics and table tennis where for a long time was not an Olympic sport until 2008 Olympics. Basically, China only cares about Olympic sports as a kind of political gain and will go for form specific events as it is easier to train people for said sport if you know most efficient forms to copy.
Is china really the authoritarian regime that we think it is in america?
So true man.
@@caseysmith544 table tennis?
@@OrthodoxTsarist Yes, well was an Olympic sport kind of like Badminton where some people in India or Korea were tanking early rounds away from higher ranked Chinse players in Olympics or World Championships so they could have an easier time winning events, about few times higher ranked Chinese would win events and why after London 2012 being in since 2000 like Badminton when on trial was skipped as a sport in Olympics because of high ranked players tanking to win bronze
我是中国人，非常惊讶博主能如此客观真实地解析中国篮球的问题，就好像在中国生活过很久一样，这条视频值得更多的播放!
This vlogger didn't mention possible sabotages committed by foreign players against Chinese players and CBA .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 That sounds like propaganda. You need to cite examples with clear evidence?
@@atomsk1972
Previous incidences of foreign ballers playing below par and involved in on-court brawls .
Coach from past and present...that made questionable decisions in coaching and players selection .
那你怎么搞的跟外宾似的，中国不行主要是篮球这东西真的不能当饭吃，根本就没人全力搞篮球。在中国商业模式的体育必须要求足够的收入和完整的职业发展路径托底。要真的像欧美一样，筛选下来的没有好好搞文化课的体育生根本没法做正常的工作。中国人不是沙雕，这种把娱乐当饭吃的工作根本就没有意义。老美能接受打不上职业篮球就去当工人，你让中国家长接受这种人生？就算父母能接受我估计稍微正常一点的青少年都不接受。就算是中国拿了奥运会冠军，咋的，能当饭吃还是普通人有钱拿。这又不是关乎国运的竞争，老美老斯拉夫人乐意在上面浪费金钱就让他们搞。我们安心好好搞我们的科技。比起出一个乔丹，我更乐意出一个钱学森。竞技体育本质还是娱乐行业，看中国人打和外国人打没任何区别。如果都说到这一步了，你还不能理解，那只能说中国还需要进一步提升国民深度思考的能力。
你無敵了@@tonylouis2742
It's wild that they haven't gotten players to the NBA in the past decade. I'm from The Bahamas which has 400k people and we've sent 3 people to the NBA over the past decade and we have another on the way next year.
LOL yao ming ? am i joke to u ? also other chinese player in nba since 2000s
@tigerfist2864 in the past decade my bad*
There's also just racism in the NBA. Jeremy Lin balled out after finally getting a chance after years of riding the bench, it's a shame that injuries ruined him. Yuta Watanabe's potential (yeah I know he's Japanese but similar situation) was also likely far higher than what he'll end up being. And those are the exceptions; imagine how many talented players of Asian descent get filtered out due to skin color before this point.
@dpakj989 TF are you talking about?
@@dpakj989J Lin was butt cheeks. He was only in the league after injuries to help sell jerseys to Asians with inferiority complexes
Great video, since like 2020 I’ve been really interested how different countries handle different popular American sports. Mainly just looked up American Football/baseball but this is a good jumping off point for me when it comes to basketball/FIBA
the problem is more around development like he mentioned, and it's tough to really compare apples to oranges in the snese of the nations being compared to China. the countries he even compares China to in Asia have really different society and challenges thtat there isn't a fair comparison. Japan and RoK are nations with high levels of economic development that have resources to teach players young and make sure it's economically viable for them in the future when they become adult prospects. The reason CHinese players don't want to leave is that they know to a level theyre lacking skills wise, but it's not their fault and if they were to leave then they'd be out of a job. Players are people to and often have to take care of their families interest. Not sure why that's hard for people to understand.
In the Philippines, that's why our version of Wang Zhelin didnt really go anywhere abroad (Jun Mar Fajardo). If he were to go overseas, it would've been too late for him to develop a jumper or mobility. He was poor and went to relatively small college in the Visayas. That's not his fault that he didn't have the resources. But now as a pro in the domestic league, he's got money and income security. Why jeopardize that?
You professional excuse maker 😂
Because this is about the sport, not the economics. If basketball were simply a job, it would lose its meaning. There needs to breakthroughs on an individual and collective level to make the sport entertaining to participate in and watch.
@@jakelee7083 I understand that it's about the sport aspect, but it's simply unrealistic to expect that a plurality of players will be able to make those marked improvements without the right conditions. People who make it out and are successful are the exceptions and not the rule. Plus, access to resources to make improvements happen (experienced coaching, nutritionists, physical therapists, etc) cost money and that's part of that equation that inextricably can't be separated. It's no secret why many teams of countries that are generally poore are comprised of players who are in leagues outside of the country that can provide those resources to their players. It's a mix of factors. I'm not saying that Chinese players or players from poor countries can't be successful, but that on a wide scale they need the right environment to make development of players more universal.
@@ice8erg I'm not saying China or other Asian teams aren't bad, because they are bad. I'm simply saying that the economic side needs to be considered for them to improve. that's not an excuse. it's simply really. if they aren't as poor, maybe they will get better.
@@BulagBanditMediaYou nailed ir. The haters that disagree with you are simply clueless fools
Watching the vid right now, but I wanted to mention Hansen Yang is dominating the CBA at 18 years old and will most likely be drafted in the 2024 draft. Their first prospect in a while.
As Asians we are not meant to compete with black or white, mainly black, players around the world, mostly the USA, and that is all you need to know. Something is just meant to be.
@@vivienneduong6541 most defeatist, and might I add, incorrect opinion I've ever heard. Africans, Eurasians, and Asians are all part of the same species, homo sapiens. There's gotta be at least ONE, if not a dozen, of Chinese folks who can make it to the NBA in theory, but cannot due to cram school and the insane academic workload, or got injured, or lost the desire to compete with the intense pressure on their shoulders. I've played my fair share of basketball and while I'm not the best, not every white or black guy instantly beats me? I don't just look at a black guy and say, "this is his sport, I'll never win." Where's the fun in a game without a little competition?
You want to know where the real problem lies? How we teach our kids. Sports and physical activities were never important. Back when I was in elementary school in China, whenever there's something that comes up that the entire school needs to attend, we'd cut our precious 1 physical education class. Or art class. Or music class. Never math or Chinese classes. Physical education was always the first class to be cut. When I played for fun on a mediocre Asian-only team against mediocre black, white, Arab teams, you know what's the situation on the benches? There's like 2 siblings on the Asian team's benches. No parents. All the other teams had their benches filled.
Kids aren't dumb. Most kids live day to day, for pleasure. Pleasing themselves and pleasing their parents. How do you think they react once they see the benches are empty? It doesn't matter how well you do, you'll never get praised for it. So they stop trying so damn hard at the game. This is the most important part. Chinese parents not encouraging their kids to try their hands at different things to see if they're good at something different. No, Chinese parents want the kid who's good in math and good with reading. They want the obedient kid who goes to med school and gets straight As, graduate with honors, become a doctor, and get married and have 2 kids immediately after graduation. Straight out of a cookie cutter mold. Basketball, does not fit their cookie cutter mold.
@@vivienneduong6541😂 what? So don't compete with black or white people in muay thai, wrestling, weightlifting? Which sport? Are you stuck in the medieval times?
@thedarkyellowpages4016 we are talking basketball. Why you brought up other activities? You are sure an Einstein.
@@vivienneduong6541 so why are asians not meant to compete in basketball? 😂 Never heard such a silly argument.
Chinese coaches are so toxic. i remember in hs i had a chinese coach man was straight adamant that only the center could enter the paint, only the sg could shoot and that the sf and pg should never touch the ball for more then 1 dribble 😂😂😂
Bro was taking those names of positions a little too literally lol
What about the Power Forward?
Exactly. They do this to kids that are only 8-12 years old. This is the effective way to kill the talent of big guys. They is why the forwards in China are so bad at passing or dribbling the ball. They were probability tall among their peers when young.
Excellent video. I've always wondered about this, because it's obvious China has lots of love for the sport
-- As an Chinese American, man do we suck. There is zero creativity (well, minimal). Chinese culture is simply to take a good idea and spam it to the n-th degree.
I will say that: culturally speaking, copying is a form of flattery. Anyway, it's why Japan produces great cars; S Koreans are taking over via LG and Samsung, why Taiwan produce 90% of all superchips (2024), and why China is only the king of manufacturing.
Yea im ngl, taiwan is the same. I think a great point you made is the switch to 12 minute quarters to align themselves with NBA (Taiwan did it in 2020). Yes it makes the game longer and the audience has more content to watch, but it is clear players are not cut out for it yet as they are straight up tired by the middle of the third quarter, leading to mental lapses and a complete drop in points scored. And then they have to play in FIBA international competition back under 10 minute quarters and cannot adjust cause the timing and value of each possession becomes completely different and that further tanks the team's points per game.
Look at Indonesia, same point, cant defend without fouling etc, but overall i think it more about fundamental skill and facility to provide those young people that want to grow their talent
Thanks for the video. This Q happened to come into my head a couple of days ago so coming across this video without searching was quite cool. Great work. I've subscribed.
They're not as bad as others perceive, but they have fallen just a bit in recent years. Other Asian teams still have to be at their best when playing them.
I lived in Beijing for two years, and the crazy thing is, EVERYONE plays basketball there. EVERYONE knows the famous nba players. You see NBA jerseys being worn all the time. This was 2008. Its so weird that they havent had many many more stars, cause the passion and work ethic has been there for decades. I also remember them not really caring about Yao any more than someone else. They liked the same big names that people liked in the West. Saw way more McGrady jerseys.
China doesn't need to produce "unicorns" to get into the NBA. As the rules changed to benefit shorter perimeter type back court players, the percentage of the Chinese population that could potentially play in the NBA increases exponentially. Instead of needing someone 6'8 to 7 feet tall like before, now someone 6'3 to 6'7 can dominate the league (Steph Curry to Luka Doncic). If there's one thing Chinese have done historically well, it's practice extra hard at difficult things. Just look at their acrobats and martial artists. Any day now, multiple Chinese players are going to enter the draft as "3 point specialists".
This reminded me a lot of a scenario some of my old jazz school professors described about doing an improvisation workshop in Beijing. The participants dug the workshop, but the kept asking what are the "rules" of the jazz improvisation. This might also factor into the cultural attitude of the country but players in really serious competition NEED to be great improvisational skills within the game to be successful. Textbook ball gets picked apart at the highest level, and frankly, the mindset is a part of it to. I think one of the strongest aspects, and probably most defining features of the american game (which also got exported after the iron curtain fell) is the innovation/flexibility of the in-game experience.
Thinking of someone like Spo vs a Chinese team just annihilating defenses with creative offenses...
Only to the Men's team .
Their Women's team is top ranked in the World.
from time to time Philippines beat them, but when they were blown up by the Philippines, they know they're not just bad. They're bad bad.
philippines are worst take out the imports you'll never win a single fiba game LOL fact
Yea.. By hiring Afro-American players. 🤣 China can also hire American players and beat you but they are not shameless as you.
Yea.. By hiring Afro-American players. 🤣 😂 and rebrand it as Philippines. It seems like u can't win anything wdout foreigners.
make a video that tells PBA is self-destructing...
they where so desperate when they lost to Philippines as a host country, they accused the top player of failing doping test,they tried to see if they can still take the gold
Lost to tiny Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a pretty decent team. They placed 12th in the World Cup out of 32 teams. I mean Latvia is tiny too but they placed 5th in the World Cup
exactly, they lost to some tough teams.
Yao Ming probably thought they could intimidate their opponents by forming a team of giants.
This story is eerily similar to Mexican football in the same time (00s-present) with it culminating in their first time not making it out of groups in a million years. They both have the same problem, a high paying domestic league that is not the pinnacle of talent in the world.
A better question would be why aren’t the Netherlands one of the best in the world at basketball? They have the height, the money to invest and anything else they need at their fingertips including location because they’re in Europe which is a continent well known for making great basketball players
Cause in general basketball is low as a popular sport here, football, professional cycling, speed skating, hockey and volleyball are more popular sports here.
I think even darts is more popular then basketball. And yes i am talking about the Dutch.
None of that screams automatic basketball skills. How about hunger and genetics 🧬 🤡
Do you know how many tall guys suck can’t hit a basket and will get bodied by smaller guys. Right here in the states. Yall say anything on this fckn app
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@@ice8erg short boy mad😂😂🤣🤣
Good point. UK, Ireland, Finland, Norway, Estonia, Litchestein, Luxumberg etc. where are all their players?
Love your videos man, can you please do “Why Australia🇦🇺 dominates FIBA Asia?"🙏 keep doin’ what you do, love your content❤️
Geopolitics
As usual... the U$ is behind this switched from Oceania to Asia !
To dominate Asian sports at the expense of true Asians !
Great content man! Good watch, thanks.
11:51 Why T mac elbow the shit out of the guy like that 💀💀
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that guy elbowed TMac on the previous play
Same for almost all team sports
China also has very restrictive laws which isolates them from much needed outside expertise from development coaches they have top notch facilities but the coaches are not great because they only trust local guys who have a rigid way of doing things also there are a lot of these basketball schools who are more concerned with making money than teaching proper skills and its a shame that they have just become a market for selling apparel because the passion and infrastructure is there .
Chinese society is impetuous, eager for quick success and wants to make as much money as possible as quick as possible. This explains the basketball schools more concerned with making money than teaching proper skills.
Real talk, when Philippines beat China in Asian Games China visibly became more aggressive in West Philippine Sea.
this is the most filipino take i've ever read LMFAO bro you are delusional
Philippines became more aggressive in the S China Sea When the US started egging them on
no one cares about little ph
A little correction: there was recently a prospect named Zeng Fanbo playing for the NBA G-League Ignite Team (2021/2022) and some prospects in the summer league, who were got cut before the start of season, like Ding Yanhuhang for the Dallas Mavericks (2017) or Zhang Zhenlin for the Phoenix Suns (2022).
He's not talking about prospects though. NBA "prospects" from China always get invited to the Summer League and it's honestly purely political to get at least one Chinese player in for representation. None of the players you mentioned were good enough to make the NBA. Fanbo Zeng probably had the best chance but I think he made the wrong choice going to G-League Ignite instead of NCAA at Gonzaga where he got offered.
@@TheLavenderPanda曾凡博得到了冈萨迦大学教练的承诺，然后那个教练离队了，他也就离开了
@@Vincent-mz7vv he should've still played at Gonzaga. It would've been better fir his development as a player instead of playing limited minutes on a G-League Ignite Team that was full of talent already
@@TheLavenderPanda haha,unless he's a genius, players who jump over college basketball and go straight to the pros have all sorts of problems with their career progression
what was your other TH-cam channel before this one??
Chinese political and social practices really haven't seemed to change much in the last 1500 years.
They have tho, what hasn't chnaged
@@Bell_plejdo568ptotalitarianism, constitutional monarchy
It's because the Japanese have taken over the Asian basketball scene. In last year's FIBA World Cup, the Japanese punched their ticket to the Olympics finishing 3-2. China was just 1-4.
lol China beat japan 79 - 63 in FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023
@@tigerfist2864 Japan and china are in different groups in the FIBA World Cup 2023.
Japan only played against germany, australia, finland, venezuela and cape verde.
@@shojun11 just search match china vs japan , china never lost to japan ,basically always dominant in east asia
@@tigerfist2864 Japan`s best players are in the NBA and NCAA so it`s difficult to assemble a complete line up in FIBA Asia cuz the schedules of the tournaments are ongoing at the same time. China had never faced japan`s complete line up of rui hachimura, yuta watanabe, keisei tominaga, yudai baba, yuki kawamura, hawkinson, bruce kanno, yuto williams, yuto kawashima, ogawa and hugh watanabe.
@@shojun11 they all is nothing compared to yao ming the best asian player in history
What team sports are China good at? I think all they've got now is women's volleyball. And volleyball is a somewhat weird team sport in that you don't fully interact with the other team, which gives you more free reign to play it very technically.
their women's basketball team is actually solid, but like the men's team they rely too much on raw size and it could potentially become a problem for them in the future
Good question. Women's basketball, can't think what else.
I still remember way back when Georgetown played over there and got into a huge fight. The Chinese could stand that they were being beat by college kids.
Or maybe because the American players are disrespectful
USA basketball level is very high. A high tier D1 college team like Georgetown is comparable to a tier 2 pro leagues in Europe and tier 1 pro league in Asia.
There's a lot of stories from Chinese families with tall boys about basketball schools sending recruits to see their kids even if the child never was interested in sports.
Please make video about game FIXING IN PBA! Philippines league
The problem is not about talent, the talent of Chinese players is actually not weaker than that of European players. They have many tall players, and many players have amazing jumping ability. The problem lies in the screening mechanism. China has 1.4 billion people, but only those who enter specialized sports schools can engage in the sports industry. But this also means that this child will not be able to engage in ordinary industries in the future, which is unacceptable for parents. Therefore, most people in the sports industry come from wealthy families. The problem is that if I don't play basketball well, I can still go home and enjoy life. At the same time, if the committee behind it doesn't take action, they are not willing to train hard at all. Speaking of Zhang Zhenling, he used to play basketball in the United States and played in CBA games after returning to China. During the game, a player from the opposing team angered him, and he directly took action and threatened the opponent. This is because his mother holds a high position of power in government.
Main issue is genes, chinese men who are the same height as whites and african americans, on average they have shorter legs, longer backs, shorter wingspans, smaller frames. As a chinese who was born in america and played against all races, all of those disadvantages adds up. Either i cant stay in front of someone or i get posted up and i lose. Yao ming has short legs, short wingspan, but his skill and height made him good. Zhou qi has a tiny frame. Wang zhelin has a long neck and head, and short wingspan. I'm 5'7 with a 28 inch inseam, the shortest jeans i can get is 30 inch inseam, so my jeans are always a bit too long, but my height is slightly below average compared to 5'9 American male. My cousin is 5'8 with a 25 inch inseam. That tells you how its not all about height, its the tools.
Same as why white players suck too
I grew up in Xinjiang, China. When I was young, we would play basketball every day. 70% of the boys would participate in basketball activities. But we lack a coach and a regular game. We just amuse ourselves. The school has a varsity team, but there are only a few games each year. Even in Xinjiang's best CBA team, the Xinjiang Flying Tigers, the young players lack match training. But in some parts of China, especially in the south of China, many folk games began to exist, and even became a tourist resource,
That match fixing near the end was disturbing
Super informative video
Give them time, they'll get better eventually.
Being a sport star, or making sport a career is just a very remote thing to an average Chinese family. You can say it is the society that lacks the sporting culture. This also reflects a typical Chinese mindset that is always invest in a reliable and long-term economics. Playing professional level sport is hard, costly and doesn't guarantee a return. That's why most Chinese families would rather send their kids to schools to become engineers or doctors. We see this in Chinese families in US too.
As a Chinese I can confirm that if basketball is a subject of our college entrance test then we will have millions of MJs
True😂
Joke was funny but not true at all.
Bull fucking shit lmao, sure you’d get the game but chinas not birthing a lot 6ft mfs let ALONE guys built like Michael and even if they are tall they’re not half as athletic 🤣
Yi Jianlian was supposed to be an athletic big who could do modern NBA things. And he kinda could. Just not quite well enough to stick around.
(As for the others, the CBA just doesn't prepare players for top level play AT ALL, as you pointed out more or less. It's a defense optional league with a shallow talent pool, even more so since it's become a less congenial place for high level foreigners since a bunch of CBA teams failed to deliver on big contracts.)
CBA doesn't really need NBA D league players.
Even good amateurs Black ballers are more than enough to improve Chinese ballers .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Are you seriously comparing pros to amateurs, bruh? 💀💀
@@roym4457
Those current/former NBA (including D league) ballers are susceptible of being lazy and to getting compromised (self-sabotage) ...
The current problem of basketball in asia these days is because for tiktok highlights one lay up but million fckin transition lay ups.
I grew up in China and i love basketball. Here is what i found that causing issues:1. Resources are used in wasted talent and not open to all young people. No one train me and i can beat a so-called "athlete" on 100 m sprint!! 2.Relationships matters more!! If you do not have any relationship with coach or a great family, you will be bullied and treated like a asshole! a guy with 1.8 m high in my high school was beaten because his family is poor!! 3.Training is missing and teacher never taught us good knowledge of how train muscle or how to prevent injury or how to play basketball! the teacher who taught us physical class only taught us to be like guard of honor... like 45 min for a class... 30 min is used for guard of honor.... 15 min free activities... What the hell!! we can just grab a guy form street to teach us!!! what do you think??????!!!!!!! The physical class teacher only bully and laugh at my classmate and me... Or worse cases, the physical class was taken over by other course due to university entrance exam....
Height plays a role. Chinese men are on average 5’7 compared to America which is 5’9… and America is not that tall. That means the extreme sides of height are even more rare in china i.e. 6’4+… that coupled with weak coaching and development compared to the west and weaker competition compared to collegiate America, euro league etc. means they are going to struggle… similar to how India with it’s massive population produced very few nba players.
Also need to take politics into account with china and America being enemies 95% of the time.
Japanese players don't have the height but they.managed pretty well
america is even taller with its us born population, maybe 5'10. the reason people say its 5'9 is all of the latinos who migrated here who drop the average.
@@WastedBananasThat’s not how statistics work. You’ve basically just said “US has a bigger height advantage if we ignore the shortest people”
average height in france is also lower but theyve got batum, hayes, fournier, and parker
@@Th1sIsMyLegacy but youre not comparing apples to apples. chinas population is much more ethnically homogenous, therefore less likely to deviate from the median norm. americas population is much more varried. people whose family descends from western europe or sub-saharan west africa are considerably taller then more recent colonizers from latin america, east asia, and the philippines. hence why americas height has been declining for decades
i think the traits that chinese players lack is the teamwork and the explosiveness to excel at basketball.
The real question is why is Croatia so bad at basketball? The answer is refs.
Not in a way that you think. What happened here is that refs took over the institutions in the country after we become independent and basically killed basketball including players, coaches, development and the national team (while collecting money in the wake of that destruction). There are still some players here and there who develop inspite of our institutions, mostly by trying to stay clear from domestic clubs and destructive development culture.
As a result of almost 30 years of this destruction, we are barely better than Romania and Netherlands now, and probably worse than Finland - which is somewhere between tragic and hilarious. Still should be better than China though (just).
Can you give me a more in-depth explanation? I’ve never heard of this before, and now I’m interested
As a finn, I have to say that finnish basketball league (and thus also finnish basketball in total) is currently in its growth phase. For example, I wouldn't be suprised if somebody said to me that 'team X' from town of barely 20 000 people is going to be one of top leagues in 1st division in 10 years despite playing only in 3rd highest division right now. On the other hand, if somebody claimed same regarding finnish icehockey/football, my answer would be:😂😂😂😂😂😂 NO WAY!!!😂😂😂😂
I would have never guessed, given the number of Croatian players that are currently in the NBA playing big roles on their respective teams and all the ones that did so in the past 20 or so years
As a Serb, you are mostly unlucky, talent is there, but peoples interest in basketball is little bit lower and your domestic league is trash, our league is not much better but we still have 4 5 teams that are good and Red Star and Partizan which are Euroleague teams while your only good team is Cedevita
The CBA Chinese basketball Association is a very rich league. They will pay very good money to their player and the player over there doesn’t need to be trained as hard as NBA player.
Great video full of facts, instant sub and I get it completely, I would much rather watch the P-League Plus than any form of CBA game
Funny ...
Watch a CBA game first ... before dissing it .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 You are funny, I watched 100s of games and it's a mixed bag of scrap imports and incompetent locals...but hey you tell me differently expert...FUNNY LOL
@@Donough88
I'm no expert .
I enjoy watching CBA ... it's not boring. And that's all matters to me .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Then why comment like you are some sort of CBA authority? You can watch multiple leagues, teams, and even sports, no issue but then acting like the CBA is sacred is just dumb asf
@@Donough88
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My issue with basketball is that it discriminates potential professionals based on height. I am 5 foot 10 and no matter how hard I train, I can only realistically be good enough for the neighbourhood league. There is no way I can be good enough for the nba. However, soccer.......that's different. So I have no tears for basketball in china. I wish it remains unpopular because it is a sports for tall people. I hope china can focus more in soccer because that is a sport that anyone can play. tall or short.
Now, another thing that I would love to see is that they could lower the height of the ring. That would make the sport more accessible to shorter guys and with it, more athleticism.
Play in midget leagues 😂
Isaiah Thomas is 5'9
Don't worry, China isn't the only country who experienced this. The Philippines too, I mean the system itself is just fucked up. :)
UPDATE: The top Basketball league here in PH is still SUCKS ASF, but the new head coach of team PH national team is extremely good! I mean, we averaged 30 APG during the first window of FIBA Asia Cup Qualifiers! Looking forward to their upcoming matches
Taiwan's basketball is even worse. The league here is pretty popular but the level of play is atrocious. We have MULTIPLE basketball leagues and 15 different teams in total on this small island. A lot of players aren't even that good but there are so many roster spots so they still get a lot of minutes.
PBA is the reason why national team is rotten to the core and the reason they don't improve you know street basketball
wait are you sure? Your national team is so good. 10x times better than our Chinese team
@@bowenchen4908 yeah but for me China isn't suck at all and it's still a contenders and I'm still thankful that we beat em twice in a row.
What I mean is our own top tier league SUCKS 🤦♂️
Philippines hire all Afro-American players. 🤣 and then rebrand as Philippines. 😂
A important reason why chinese is not so good in basketball is that lets say a nba player at 6.10 has in general 3-4 inches longer arms then a similar tall chinese player.
yes i agree with my self ha ha!
the truth is not many people outside the US play basket ball...
Disagree, basketball is popular in china anyway.
The NBA didn't "transform". They changed the rules to make the paint a less good place to be. Between 2001 and 2004, a series of rules changes created the modern NBA. In 2001-2002, they legalized the zone, letting defensive players enter the paint without a man to guard for 3 seconds. This makes doubleteaming people in the low post *TRIVIAL*, and is why you no longer see big guys dominating in the paint the way Shaq used to do.
Of course, the problem was that with a counter to bigs in the low post, the game got incredibly low scoring, with the pace of play slowing, and defensive teams immediately becoming relevant. Field goal percentages drop to the lowest since 1965. The league panics, and institutes new 'freedom of movement' rules, which make perimeter defense all but illegal. The natural result has been a game focused on a spread pick-and-roll small-ball which nobody can stop, which is why we now see ever increasing scoring records.
It's not talent, it's not skill, it's the RULES.
Per capita, NBA has 285 times more players from Finland than from China :)
Lauri Markkanen 🇫🇮🔝
Yeah Chinese ancestors were starving and had much more sex/people.
The real problem is that the Northern Chinese people are generally taller but lack the power and explosiveness for contact sports. Southern Chinese population, Janpanese and some Southeastern Asians are better athletes compared to the Northern Chinese. Despite this fact, Chinese government generally favour the taller Northern basketball potential talents.
I noticed
Skills also play a factor in it.
Nikola Jokic not the greatest athlete. But he’s so skilled it doesn’t matter and guys can’t guard him.
Like the video said. The other Asian countries are letting their talent play outside of their countries. Go against the best in other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
While the Chinese are keeping their players in China playing in rigged games for the CBA.
If you're a kid in China and you're playing basketball, your ENTIRE family, from mom and dad, to siblings, to aunts and uncles to grandma and grandpa and even down to your cousins ...will collectively trash talk you for wasting your time, potential and their money.
You need to study, then study some more, then go back and study harder.
That means millions of talented athletes never set foot on a basketball court, a hockey rink, a soccer pitch or a baseball diamond.
The culture is slowly changing in China. The Chinese govt is trying to shift away from the study 24x7 culture in schools, and promote a more balanced lifestyle. Heck their regulating the amount of games kids can play per week. The culture will slowly get better
@@AZ-rg3rf Not as long as they have the Gaokao bro.
They do have more access to professional coaching IF the parents let them play, but the vast majority of parents still view anything distracting them from studying as an enemy of the family post elementary school.
@@unnaturalselection8330 yeah, eventually they'll have to do something about the gaokao as well. I got faith it'll happen, but will probably take many years though
you'd think that 1.4B people would have the numerical edge to overcome that kind of culture. That's three times the population of the US alone. Maybe they just don't have the genes to dominate 🤷🏾
@@ajmm8 Problem being the only kids playing sports are really, really unintelligent and/or have no family backing for anything.
Combine that with the lack of funding for facilities that a general lack of interest generates and you have very little talent being nurtured and schooled in the games.
some country focus on different things. In China they focus on the future so STEM graduate are the normal. In the USA it's sports, tik tok and pranks!
First I‘m very happy to see your video then let me tell you a true story that happened to me about the age issue of Chinese basketball players.I was born in 2002. In the spring of 2018, I followed my high school basketball team to compete with the Zibo Experimental High School basketball team in Shandong Province, China. Our opponent changed two players on the day before the game.Two players joined, one named Duan Angjun and the other named Yang Hansen. When I see their data, it shows that they were born in 2001. Four years later in 2022, I saw the name Yang Hansen again. He was already a key player in the Chinese U18 national team in 2022, but his date of birth changed to 2005. This is also the main reason why many Chinese players were strong when they were young, but later they losing strength
Philippines start winning against China since Young college Ballers decide to play overseas lile KBL and B League!!! Definitely local League like PBA is the culprit on stagnation of talent in Philippines!
居然有外国兄弟在意中国篮球，我感到很惊奇。中国的所有体育项目都是由一个政府部门负责统筹的，这会导致正反两个结果：在冷门运动项目上，中国更容易取得成绩。但在充分竞争的热门项目上，国家队通常会表现得很糟糕，甚至还会滋生大量腐败。
我觉得另外一个大问题是球员心态。羽毛球其实世界第二大运动，打得很好。网球和排球都不错。我们先不说超巨星因为这里确实有身体素质问题。篮球这几年来其实有好几个可以进g league 的球员。例如曾凡博。看看NBA出来像luka这种选秀选的很高的球员大多都从g league 开始。但是中国球员没有愿意去g league打的，都回了国在cba打。可能应为离家近，或者语言文化之类的原因，但是能在cba挣钱就不想nba了。从某种角度我能理解。在g league打球确实可能培养几年去NBA，可是收入低。每个人更具自己家里不同的经济情况可能会做出不一样的决定。
我觉得最大的问题就是，我们的联盟不挣钱。商业联盟么不挣钱@@qwertyutopia4667
DONT EXPLAIN YOU NONSENSE CHINESE, YOU ARE NATURAL WEAK, AND JUST WANT TO GET EVERYTHING W/O ANY FAIR FIGHT, TELL YOUR PRESIDENT YOUR TIME IS UP
@@qwertyutopia4667 Badminton is just a small sport, not a second sport
@@卢宇轩-u9q it’s the second most played sport only to soccer
I play basketball in China as a true fan of basketball and one big reason Chinese aren’t great is because even if they’re athletic they don’t play team basketball everyone is a hero shooter no matter if they’re being guarded by 3 people 😂. The young kids and most adults also play half court games. In America, as well as Philippines only really plays full court even if there’s 5 teams.
Too short,no only skill and athleticism and mindset matters
this clown has no idea what hes talking about
Pop should retire from the NBA and be like China’s tsar of basketball, just fix the whole system from the top down
This video is ignoring one big fact tho. China’s Woman’s basketball team is an absolute powerhouse.
Not anymore. China women's soccer team is also performing much worse than before. They have outrageous contracts appendix says if national teams wants a player back for training the teams must release them and the national team training can take two months, the end result is no teams want to sign Chinese players unless said players are top stars like Wang Shuang or she can avoid getting called back to the national team.
china men basketball is also very good , 3 times final 8 of world games, thats not bad at all
In the past decade, we can say China's national basketball team has not been as good as before, failing to qualify for the Olympics twice in a row. However, in Asia, it is still a strong team in the top four that easily break into the FIBA World Cup
Nah let’s just be brutally honest. Asian just wasn’t designed for basketball, plain and simple. Our muscles grow differently than other race making it hard to developed explosive strength while preserving healthy joints and bones. Our frame are a lot smaller, and our population density led to high pollution in both environments and diets. Almost half the people I know grew up with health issues, allergies or unhealthy bone structure. And coming from a Division one HS athlete in Taiwan, I guarantee you we train harder than any US athlete as students. E only attend to classes til midday and went straight to practice after launch. Most practices will last til 9pm and you wake up heading to training before breakfast for 2 hours.
I guess jeremy lin is simply too short, too weak, too slow then 🙄🙄🙄
@@AZ-rg3rf Jeremy Lin can’t even play one healthy season when he’s trusted by coaches to play important role. Super athletic but joints and bones said no
@@ThePoorFluffy he was getting hammered left and right with flagrant calls that refs mysteriously didnt call. Not many backcourt players can last with that kind of punishment
@@AZ-rg3rf If you’re talking about that YT video, man any player that rely heavily on driving inside could have that amount of missed calls. If he ever was an all star then ref might got more pressure but throughout his career he’s been fighting hard to secure playing time from coaches and star players. I agree that NBA treated him unfairly but tbh he didn’t play that many minutes to be worn out so quickly
@@ThePoorFluffy Jeremy Lin had the quickest measured first step in his draft class. If he was given the opportunity to develop properly, with psychological safety instead of pushing himself every day knowing he's one bad game away from riding the bench, he probably would have had a better chance at preserving his health.
Good video, but some hope for China, their Fiba U17 team had a solid showing in the U17 World Cup. They picked up a win over France and were competitive in all of their games except for the USA. Sinan Huan is a skilled 7 footer who plays in America and has a scholarship offer from Arizona State.
This may be one of your best videos, shame that the algorithm is holding it back due to it being a critical of chinese basketball
Hahahahaha.
very typical of Chinese beaurocracy, they always prefer to sweep problems under the rug rather than to address them, even when it's literally the elephant in the room
Bro, Fang-Bo Zheng was actually a great prospect with amount of potential. He did receive a deal from Pacers however never made the league.
He chose to go back to China. He didn’t want to play in the g league. I think that’s the other thing. With a domestic league that pays well(no where near nba but better than g league) many Chinese prospects choose not to spend time in the g league.
@@qwertyutopia4667makes sense
China is good at diving and table tennis and badminton. I mean you can't be good at everything. India have 1.45 Billion people but can't produce a Soccer team but they are excellent at Cricket.
Because Soccer is a simple , corrupt , and boring game .
Cricket is a part of Indian sports culture so it makes sense that it is the most popular
Indians can't produce also basketball , handball , volleyball , Water Polo , baseball
Every country has its own sport .
China's government started a curling development program in 1999.
Just ten years later in 2009 China's women's team won the curling world championship.
When the last 2 generations of children in China grow up with emperor syndrome, team sports and activities just aren’t a thing.
Why would anyone try to copy NBA.. games are sick but the culture and media around it is just boring af... 4x4 trucks, meaty subway subs, insurances and lawyer companies. Even the halftime shows are bland af. But each to their own and every country figures what works for them the best money-wise.
but actually chinese basketball association is not working for the best money wise .
1. chinsese version Tiktok has more basketball tiktokors make more than CBA players.
2. chinese national team player Xujie is paid 200 ,000 us dallors a year(before tax). this league is not attractive for young talented players.
3. 2020 the Broadcasting contract signed at 278million us dollars for 5 years. Due to pandamic restriction and game rules, cba is becoming less attractive for audience, next contract price will protecially decrease, which means pay less to the clubs and players.
4. a lot of curruption problems like football league in china, Yao Ming as the chairman of CBA is not able to change on his own. its a systematic problem.
Well China basketball is still way better than Philippines basketball.
PH is 2-0 vs CHN in 2023 and won the Asian Games gold. In China.
Lol did you just finish last in the group in the last basketball WC. On top of that Philippines beat you twice in the same year 😂
In the past decade, China's national basketball team has only not been as good as before, failing to qualify for the Olympics twice in a row. However, in Asia, it is still a strong team in the top four that easily break into the fiba World Cup
Because there's no steroid for Team Chemistry.
Lol, it’s not a part of Chinese culture. Asians in general don’t have that creativity that comes from the blacktops. Their games are fairly perfunctory.
Wtf?
beer?
China has dominating in nearly all individual sports example Olympic weightlifting because of 'enhancement'.
@@PC_Powerlifting Literally everyone dopes in weightlifting this is a non-argument lmao
I lived in China many years. No kids walked around with varsity/club jackets indicating they played organized sports like in other parts of the world. Parents and society valued educational success more. Only elite sites to nurture talents that weren't accessible to the average person. I remember walking through the courtyard of the school everyday with students all over bumping a volleybal for the WHOLE class, whole semester. Never playing a game or even knowing/trying hand setting not once. When I showed them they thought it was some illegal move.
They don't value sports as much as the USA. What I mean by that are parents would rather have their kids study than play sports and that heavily hindered their development since tons of prospect start at a very young age. Their programs aren't the best because the lack of interest to further the sport. Plus they just aren't as tall.
Lol yeah cuz in the US, every kid who tells their parents they want to be a pro athlete is immediately taken so seriously 😆🙄
The main problem is that no Chinese parents want their children to be an athlete. Being an athlete is not appreciated in the school and the society. People who choose to go with a professional sport career usually are considered as low intelligence.
How do you explain why China is pretty good at individual sport though?
@@jdam6017 Not that good actually. You can check F1, tennis, golf. Chinese athletes in these commercialized sports don't perform well.
@@jdam6017Chinese parents just realize that they are smaller in stature and steer their kids away from sports that are so dependent on size and athleticism.
talk about why France National Team is BLACKED
Just like American national basketball team
brother, that is indeed racist but i will let it slide cus im high no lie@@sniperjugevillafane8811
The better question would be why doesn’t Africa have the best league in the world 🤷♂️
cos their country is poor AF and their leaders are corrupted...they don't even have proper courts over there..im sure if they had the system US had, they'd have plenty of basketball talents there. Blacks are the best at basketball and this is the truth.
African countries don’t invest in Sports, I mean the government they have bigger issues to deal with. All those African Athletes that succeed made it by themselves without their Government support.
@@leroi5342 - so why do you need to Gov to support it? If you’re a businessman and you know your race is dominant in Basketball due to your genetics you open up a gym and become agents for these guys….
Basically what you’re saying is Africans are stupid and do not know how to monetize their god given talents and blame the government for their failures…kinda sound like BLM
there's a reason why Village Basketball is so popular in China. at least for now it's more true to the sport. I don't think anyone was surprised by the game fixing, as if it was the first time. everything at scale in china is fundamentally based on money and power and nothing else. say what you may about the NBA but stars like Kobe showed that despite the money, love of the game, was ultimately the most important thing.
If chinese were smart, they would have a bilingual program for thier basketball teams. Being able to effectively communicate matters on and off the court.
They won’t tho
what I dont understand is how they can be so accurate in hip hop dance and martial arts and not be super efficient in throwing a ball in a hole
They are short and always have their eyes shut
Not the best way to play basketball
China has the tallest players compared to every country.
racist trash
Where can I report this racist？
I live in China. There are some very good basketball players here. I play with them, and have coached some for schools. The difference is that glory ball is still number one. Who can look the coolest. But, when you find a group that works together as a team they do very well. Also, there is a difference here about being a fan. Most follow a player, not a team