As an American who initially sided with Jxmy, this video persuaded me that NBA champs aren't world champs. Thank you for your unbiased take with great statistics to back it up!
If you watch his vid you would’ve remembered that the nba is 161-17 against international teams are wind rate is literally 90%💀 but he conveniently didn’t mention that, but they called him out for cherry picking💀
I also watched a video saying European teams learn to play as a team, where American schools and college focus on single standout players, so when they make it to the NBA they aren't the best team players. I like basketball but I don't watch enough to be able to form my own opinion on this subject
To facilitate this, the NBA's pre-season games should start a bit earlier. European season usually start in September but the NBA's training camps start at the end of September.
Well duh. The NBA season (82 games) is more than twice as long as a Euroleague season (34 games). Do you realize how much more taxing that is on your body? NBA players aren't always gonna go hard every game. Meanwhile, Euroleague pllayers have to play hard every game because each win or loss means more. But look at how NBA teams turn it up when the playoffs start. They are on another level.
@@drestathagangsta8880 bruh euroleague is Continental competition, every club in euroleague they have domestic competition in their country for example real madrid playing in acb league and copa del rey in they domestic competition
@@drestathagangsta8880 if you count Euroleague, Domestic league, Domestic Cup and Super Cup games, a final4 Euroleague team will have to play around the same amount of games as an NBA team. Also in Europe you don't have commercial time-outs every 5 minutes, so I don't know who's getting more physical at the end. Also in Euroleague all 5 players on the court move like hell, in the NBA it's too much iso and corner men. If you watch a play-off or final 4 game in Europe is like watching wrestling or brawls at times
Add 34 more Games of domestic competition, 1 to 4 of Domestic Cup and 1 or 2 of Supercup. At least 70 Games, 74 at most, only 8 less than in the NBA where 41 Games are played with now defense and with many players resting.
What do the Olympics have to do with this, national teams and clubs are not the same. And 2 years ago USA didn’t even get a medal at the World Championship
@@unknownuser5645 In regards to clubs which use players from around the world, no you're right. Like the NBA also uses players from around the world.... BUT just like FIFA which crowns world champions for football (soccer) and has players play for their countries, the Olympics show that the USA in terms of talent are indeed world champions almost every 4 years in basketball including the last Olympics. Also do you mean the FIBA world championship? Cause USA didn't even get 3rd place last year. Low interest and not sending better talent plays a part in that loss, but they did still lose.
@@enriquegonzales8186 When they win a world national competition, then and only then they can say they’re their world champions, for that particular year, and only when referring to their national team (not the NBA champions). Btw, the FIBA World Championship is not low interest, it’s a very big deal for all countries just like the FIFA World Cup is for football. It’s just that the USA decides to start making excuses when they get their asses kicked.
@@unknownuser5645 Not sure where you are from, but when i say "low interest" I am referring to that the USA has low interest in the FIBA title even though they have won 5 world championships. I personally don't like that the USA doesn't take FIBA seriously. But this is showed by this quote on global viewership which also explains why lower talent is sent to FIBA: "One must bear in mind that the US regards the NBA as the pinnacle of the sport. At the World Cup, USA often fields a team with relatively lesser-known players compared to globally renowned stars that headline the NBA. The NBA is more than two times as popular as the FIBA Basketball World Cup in the US (26%)." by business you gov.
You're screaming into the void honestly. We all know that you're right, and Americans (who disagree) are probably too self-centered to have their minds changed on this. Hopefully we get to see more club matches between NBA and other leagues, and hopefully more leagues can develop talent and keep it to compete with NBA teams.
Well yea he technically right. But at the same time literal children play in the euroleaugue, once they turn 18 if they’re good enough they try to make it in the nba.
@@DabToTheFuture in my opinion euroleague is better and more interesting becouse every time i try to watch nba,players just shooting almost only 3pointers and enemy team doesnt even try to defend. When in euroleague you cant even see the team who doesnt even try to defend
@@rajonskikrw Lorenzo Brown was on the all euro first team last year, he played 100 games in the nba over 5 seasons before playing euro league. His all euro team season he averaged 9 points and 5 assists. That’s worse than the wnba.
You realize the NBA teams play other leagues all the time? This dude just pointed out the only times they actually won and acts like it's a regular thing.
@@tepsicouchi think u missed the entire point which is that euroleague teams specifically have been able to compete with nba teams when they have played against each other, euroleague is far superior to teams from australia or argentina or other places whose teams have played against nba teams
@@Youralwayswhining4367😂😂 did you even watch the video no you guys didnt. Or you wouldnt say this nonsense. I think championship teams are pretty good teams no?
Yeah and real lost to arabic team in international WC, does that mean they are better than Real Madrid? NBA is the main thing to win and the rest is irrevant but for the other team, beating any team from the NBA is the most valuble win they ever got. Thats why they win and not bc they better or something. I mena luka was outplayeling everyone in the europe but when he came to the NBA he couldnt do sh*t, thats the levels between NBA players and the rest of the world.
I am a lifelong Chicago Bulls fan, born and raised in Chicago in the 90s and seeing the dominating Jordan/Pippen teams. Continue to watch them to this day. Now I live in London, and my wife is from Barcelona. I went to an FC Barcelona basket game last year with my mom because we used to go to a lot of Bulls games growing up. I got so anxiety ridden because I felt like they were passing way too much. But in reality they were really really hunting for the best kind of shot. No heroball at all. Made it pretty obvious why the current Bulls 'my turn, your turn' with Lavine and DeRozan is failing. I'm quite sure that last years FC Barcelona with Mirotic would beat the last years' Bulls in a series. Being away from the US in general, you understand we are just raised with a ridiculous amount of entitled exceptionalism. It's such a gross look when the cacophony of sports media and former NBA players like Gilbert Arenas continue to talk about players like Jokic like he is a joke. I remember when Nikola Mirotic turned down a contract in Utah and Milwaukee to return to Barcelona. I was like, 'yes, I too would have taken less money to live in a way, way, way better city.' And so many people came down on me in comments about how America was the greatest yadda, yadda, yadda. It's ridiculous that even as somebody that has spent substantial time in all three aforementioned cities; trying to explain thing like worker and social rights, the choice of free healthcare, great infrastructure and public transportation, and pedestrian access just illicits a response of 'that's communism.'
Funny how much the americans actually love communism. When you tell them of good things, they say communism. Also, considering how a lot of american internal politics reminds me of late 19th to early 20th century Europe that nurtured the communist idea, it seems they really want to bring about a revolution. Just weird.
Facts. You know the game. Europe is improving rapidly. Will be great to have that world championship competition created. Very proud of that Spanish team 💪
what do you mean Europe is improving? You do realize that most of the best NBA players are European? NBA is just higher paid league, thats all there is to it. If the same amount of money was circulating in Europe, I believe 90% of Europeans would never even consider going to NBA. On the other hand, calling an NBA team a world champ just because NBA is the strognest league is really stupid. We can all agree that English premiere league is the best football league in the world, but for many years Spanish teams dominated in Champions league over all the English teams, even tho Spanish league is not the strongest. Who is to say that for example Real Madrid wouldn't win an NBA title if they were a part of NBA?
you see the problem is in the translation. in British English world means the earth, together with all of its countries and peoples. However in American English, world means USA.
I don't care about the American definition. The world is the globe and the USA is only a part of it. The American version of the word world is DELUSIONAL AND ARROGANT.
It would be really intense, entertaining and controversial if every year nba's playoffs 4 team, euroleague's final 4 and some other nation's league's final 4 compete against each other for World Champions crown.
That like English premier league teams playing Msl. Why would nba fans want to see that. Players who were bad in the nba like Shane larkin become super stars in the euro league
@@Islam.is.the.truth.. Bro there is 8 billion+ people living in this world. And millions of people love NBA and god knows amount of them definitely would watch that. You never know.
It's bad for the NBA's brand. If the top NBA teams lose to international teams, it ruins the idea that the NBA is by far the best league which will cost them money
Remember back in the 30’s when England refused to play in the soccer World Cup because how could anyone even consider themselves better? It was a foregone conclusion, so they said, that England would crush anyone, so why even go to the tournament. Then in 1950 they decided to grace the world with their presence and were summarily eliminated when they lost to the USA by a bunch of amateurs. So much for the English arrogance at the time.
@@p.informatico1320 theres a rule in FIFA where you can play for the country your parents either originated from or the country you originate from. Its likely this rule applied at the time. Please dont talk if you dont know the rules 🤣 Ex: Im American. But due to my Jamaican heritage i can play for jamaica
Calculating the theoretical amount of wins for a Euroleague in the NBA, you also have to consider that historically the Euroleague teams have mostly played NBA champions and not bad NBA teams, so their record would probably be even better
@@srensen3081 Depends there one off games, with an NBA team coming of about 130 game szn (regular and playoffs) so anything is possible . I feel like best of 7 would be the way to go to really understand the quality difference
Frendly reminder that most european clubs (like Barcelona) have basketball as a secondary sport, meaning they dont spend nearly as much as they do in football. And also they cover more sports like hockey
Umm no he cherry pick the hell out of this video💀 he forgot to mention that nba teams are 161-17 against international teams including fiba 💀 our win rate is literally 90%
@@Yung_Casanova_ This is about euroleague teams being competitive against NBA teams. NBA teams beating chinese and australian teams have nothing to do with his point.
All american sports call themselves "world champions" but fail to acknowledge other teams in other countries 😂 Its not just nba its every sport in America 😂
@@chrisbee9643 that is just because there are so many Canadians there that would apologize afterwards. Also it may help the fact that NHL teams had lost several series to Russian teams in the 70's-90's. Actually, in hockey they do know that some European nations do have very competitive leagues as well (which doesn't happen in more "completely US based" sports like baseball or "football", in basketball the big growth in competitivity elsewhere is mostly recent with the creation of Euroleague as stated in the video).
I really wanna see it get settled. The first time I saw the "World Champions" title being used by the NBA champs, I find it weird since there are no flags being represented there and they were only playing in a domestic league. About time to settle this. Best ball clubs in the world duke it out to see who's the best.
Yeah, no flags are being represented for each team, but technically that statement is partially incorrect as well. The NBA (as well as other American sporting leagues) do have our country's national anthem (The Star-Spangled Banner) be played before EVERY game, regardless of whether it's the postseason or not (and if the Toronto Raptors are playing, the Canadian anthem plays too). I personally find it to be an odd tradition that's dated back to WW1, because you never see this in Europe for the UEFA Champions League (You never hear the anthems of the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, etc. in that event). I don't know how anthems are like in the EuroLeague but many Americans' arrogance and patriotism, especially for the NBA, just boggles my mind, AS AN AMERICAN MYSELF, quite a bit on many occasions.
Don't know about UEFA, but even in small primary school volleyball and Basketball tournaments we had our national anthem played. Also considering the NBA is literally named a national association, naming themselves world champions is ridiculous. It's like Jamaicans in the Usain Bolt era decided their national champion in sprint is to be a world champion by default ”because they're the best anyway". Lol, it doesn't work like that. You might be a favourite for a title, yet you still need to earn it to claim it.
*NBA and Euroleague Clashing would make such a fuss just like Copa Libertadores with UEFA Champions League* ...Gold tier entertainment there hope we'll live to see it happening!
The explanation is simple: the NBA isn't basketball, it has different rules. When you get used to NBA rules, things often go south when going back to playing the actual game.
Would you mind explaining how so? Like, what rules are so different that they make a "new game"? I don't know anything about basketball, but I don't assume they have something like lowered hoops there or anything, do they?
@@Dormazain look at it this way, many plays that are taken from granted in the NBA in FIBA rules are considered a rule violation. Eg in NBA we take for granted not counting grab and shooting steps.
@@Dormazain refs are less lenient with carrying the ball and give out more fouls. The defensive three-second rule also doesn't exist in FIBA which makes it harder to score in the paint. Imagine Rudy Gobert and Victor Wembanyama playing for the French national team and being allowed to sit in the paint for the whole game. Also the three point line is closer in FIBA
Also you calculated the games European clubs played vs mostly the top 10 clubs from NBA at the time of playing those games which means that if they can beat the top teams, they could surely beat worse NBA teams and that would improve their potential record in NBA even more
@@konstantinosmaragkakis585 You're completely missing the point. He was trying to make the point that the best eu teams could compete in the NBA, what you're saying is completely unrelated to that point.
@@konstantinosmaragkakis585That's already baked into their record cause the top NBA teams are playing the lower rated NBA teams. The euro league teams are purely hypothetical based on the win rate of playing top NBA teams since 2000 or whatever year he said
Winning one game means nothing. These are friendlies, and the NBA teams play friendlies against other leagues all the time, they almost never win. In the NBA, even the worst team in the league can beat the best team on any given night just because of the nature of the game. The vast majority of the time the NBA team wipes the floor with the others.
I'd like to add some more info to this video regardless of the fact it's almost a year old now. There's a tournament called the FIBA Intercontinental Cup which WAS a Club World Cup of Basketball, but no NBA teams wanted to play, in fact 2 universities played throughout the competitions history and won it 4 times... compared to the other 32 winners. As of now the Basketball Champions League winner plays instead of the Euroleague winner, and the US representative is the G-League Ignite team. Who haven't even reached the final once.
And the actual champion is Franca from Brazil, they won the final against Bonn that was the fiba europe champion and german champion. It expands the subject to other contries out Europe too .
So what you’re saying is that a bunch of college kids who mostly play 1-2 years together (atleast the good ones who move on to the nba) were able to win a tournament against over seas pros ? That’s embarrassing put any college team in the nba and they won’t make the playoffs
Imagine adding the Denver nuggets, Celtics and okc to that tournament. No one would win but them it would be unfair. Especially since it won’t be these friendlys this dude is boasting about where the nba doesn’t care
FIBA already has Intercontinetal Cup for year, but currently Europe is represented by Fiba Champions League title holder (which is together with Eurocup 2nd tier continetial competition in Europe) , USA by G league Champion, Latin America by Basketballl Champions League Americas champion, Africa by BAL champion and Asia by Chinese title holder. So NBA, Euroleague (for info, Euroleague and Eurocup from 2000 are not controlled by Fiba, if you did not know) and Australian-New Zealand NBL league champions are missing. To Expand this compettition would be great for basketball, however it clashes with offseason NBA and Euroleague schedule
It would be interesting to see that competition evolve to the "Club World Cup" idea that the video exposes, cause it currently does not represent that idea with the participants that competes
@@MambaMonkeyOGtrue. Its kinda strange that basketball doesnt have official international competition between the winners of top tier competitions while Handball has it and like, Europeans clubs beat everyone by 5 points minimum😂
Would be cool to see if the NBA would one day change the NBA Cup or whatever they're doing starting this season instead into an international tournament where NBA teams could compete against the top international teams
Shouldn't be played after the season in the summer. Must be played mid season. Now must also must not be played only in Europe. Too noisy. Now who is going to pay the NBA players? Ticket and t.v. rights?
As a soccer fan, I agree to your proposal. Make it an “Intercontinental Cup” between the winners of the NBA and the EuroLeague. That’s the name of a super cup competition between the UEFA Champions League winners and the Copa Libertadores winners from 1960 to 2004. And unlike its successor Club World Cup, it’s pretty even back then.
@scratchybongvt it does not matter. It. Is called. Football. You may sleep in your comfortable bed located at precisely 56.005838°N 45.039717°W yet I will still lurk in your walls. You eat to stay healthy. I eat to make the food crisis worse. You play ball for fun. I play with balls. We are not the same.
in NBA or Euroleague rules/referees? that´s the real deal. BTW, probably the NBA team would win, but would be a nice tournament, not a friendly pre season game. Most of this games were on pre season for NBA, but on NBA rules aswell
@@vladetastojanovic9406 what a silly assumption to make. I’ve traveled many time to Europe to play rugby 😂 you know nothing about me to make this comment silly
I doubt this will ever happen. The NBA teams wouldn't want to risk losing their prestige as the best teams in the world. They are making too money and have too much clout. It is why 1v1 competitions don't happen in the NBA or the fact that stars don't play in the dunk contest.
Na man, these were preseason games. You guys fail to realize these are still humans, and have mentalities that don’t always equate to what the fans think. Euro guys can play for sure, but these games weren’t taken serious at all. You can use stats to back it up but stats don’t speak on effort, and the stigma the nba has always had shows the euros have more to prove coming here to play for and against the nba vs nba players playing a exhibition game against euros..
@@RAZYRAZY1124 I agree that since its exhibition the NBA guys don’t try as hard as the Euro guys trying to make a statement. My point is there can’t be an actual high stakes competition cuz the NBA players have too much at stake if they lose compared to the Euro guys.
thats a lie if that were true they wouldnt allow there players to play in the olympics think man think why would they even have the international games then gotnrid of it but it was a thing
I think the only difference between the NBA and the Euro league is the defense is harder in Euro league and in the NBA it's easier to score plus the 3pt line is shorter
U forget the fans. I bet many NBA teams would choke like hell if they have to play a Serbian team in front of Serbian fans continuously chanting, singing, and firing flares.
@@TMPOUZI Exactly. The coaching and strategy is completely different also. Even the court dimensions are different and travel rules. It's not even comparable in my opinion. I prefer the dynamics of the European basketball myself. It's just my personal preference, i'm sure many people prefer the NBA.
@@BatkoBrat You are correct. Only the highlights are worth watching from the nba nowadays. I really can't stand the excessive travelling going on, the non-existant defencive plays and the commercial breaks every 5 minutes or so
In Europe's Football, there is a UEFA Champions League which seek out the best team in Europe. Europe arguably has the best Football Leagues in the world but when they won the Champion's League, I havent seen anyone called that team who won a World Champ. They just said, "European Champion". They usually said World Champ only when they won the FIFA Club World Cup. So by saying NBA champs are World Champs. doesnt make sense to me. Or maybe I'm just stupid and doesnt have the right to think like this :v
You're right, what's happening is just that basketball has been one of "america's sports" for a long time, and only now it's starting to become a more international sport. Football on the other hand has always been an international sport from the start. So many americans who watch the NBA aren't used to the concept of a real international sport, it's new concept for them, while to us it's just obvious.
@@jessetorres9502 it makes sense either way. No right to claim a title if you didn't earn it. You might be a clear favourite, yet to be crowned you still need to win. It's easy. No world championship? No world champions.
not to mention that in 2022, the adelaide 36ers of the Australian NBL, who finished 7th in a 10 team league with a record of 10-18, beat the phoenix suns, who had just lost the nba finals with a record of 64-18, 134-124 in phoenix.
8:32 And THAT'S why nba or any other powerful team can't declare itself champion without playing. There were some cases of european teams (the clearly superior teams and favs to win it every year) getting beaten by teams from south america and others from mexico and africa put up a good fight making everyone doubt who would get the W Even if you'll win 99 out of 100 games as long as that single L exists you can't celebrate beforehand
Very timely as Real Madrid just beat Dallas Mavericks yesterday. 😂 i mean yeah Luka didn’t play much and Dallas didn’t make the playoffs last season but these are NBA players who are “best of the best”. Great video, DKM. 😄
@@kennyoffhennyHE USD THIS TERM, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO AMERICANS, THE PLAYERS PLAYING IN NBA ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST COMPARED TO OTHER WORLD LEAGUES, WHIC ISN'T TRUE
@@mahdisultan3546 you didn’t understand. Championship Euro league teams are better than some NBA teams, but NBA championship teams are usually better than championship euro league teams
@@matthewmartin7391 playing a soccer match is much more taxing on the body. you probably spend (way) more time on the field and need to do a lot more running. so it balances out.
@@janthecoo4964 not really, nba players play a maximum of 135 games a season if they go all the way and have to constantly be running and jumping in an explosive manner with barely any rest days most times being just a 1 day rest. Where in soccer you have up to a week for league games and midweek for domestic and continental competitions. So they have better recovery as for actual gameplay footballers have a more tedious cardiovascular challenge however in terms of frequency of injury the nba is a lot more injury prone as players are constantly jumping putting incredible pressure on there knees which is already bad with a tall persons high center of gravity compared to a footballers lower center of gravity and heightened lower body strength. It’s about the same interms of taxing body issues.
That’s facts The first time I saw a video of a TH-camr I follow regarding the world champions argument being right I thought about the same example and actually you quote this video on yours, and I just couldn’t help myself to think about the champions league, this is just accurate facts
Maccabi Tel Aviv in four times, Real Madrid, CSKA and Barça in three times, Fenerbahçe in two times and Unicaja, ALBA Berlin, Adelaide 36ers and the national team of the Soviet Union, the only ones to win against NBA teams...anyway, thank you for make this very needed video, whatever more powerful the NBA is, it is still a national league.
I would love to see something like the club world cup we see in soccer. Hopefully FIBA can organize something like that so that there is actual competitive basketball played between different continents.
I would love to see a world championship game or 3 game series from the Euroleague and NBA champs every year in the preseason as part of prepping for their new seasons but also for the actual world champ title
In our perspective as Brazilians, this issue is reminiscent of the "Copa Toyota" controversy, also known as the Intercontinental Cup. In this tournament, the champion of the Copa Libertadores (which, by the way, excludes teams from Central and North America) faced the champion of the UEFA Champions League in a single match. After this single game, the winner was considered the world champion. Currently, the FIFA Club World Cup includes champions from continental leagues as representatives, and there are still plans for changes to give this tournament a championship format. In my view, this would provide more fairness in the "world champion" matter.
Yeah, the intercontinental was really outdated. It belong to the times when only Europe and South America had strong clubs, and it wasn't even correct in the territories. It's good they changed it. But hey, at least there was a cup. No one claimed to be World Champion just because.
your copa libertadores winner got slapped 4 zip by a team without its two best players. those north and central american teams would not change aynthing to that
@@reinoutvanrespaille6217 Your analysis is quite superficial, considering that a team from Asia and two from Africa have reached the final. Just like Fluminense, Santos with Neymar lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the final. So, understand that the world is not limited to South America and Europe, even in sports.
@@profpenatieri your point makes no sense. the champions of each continent play in a direct elimination tournament to decide the world champion. EXACTLY like the actual world cup. what do you want every single team in the world to play each other to determine the world champion?
Excellent video, only thing wrong I could find was around the 8 minute mark when you say the Premier is the best football national league. It isn't. The only reason people claim it is is because it's the English league, which makes it more internationally accessible and have more "history" to itself. The best league is the Spanish "LaLiga". It has the best teams with the most international titles along with the best players in the world.
No. It’s statistically the EPL. Anecdotally, from players and managers, it’s the EPL. La Liga is not the force it once was, since the EPL is benefitting from much higher revenue
He doesn't need to. He just needs to keep on focusing on his athletics career and winning more medals against athletes from all over the world. He doesn't live in a self-claimed fantasy with self-awarded "world champions" titles, and that's a big win for him already.
@@konstantinosvlachakis1857 so youre telling me mavericks are just a bunch of losers depending on 1 player? Aight. Or maybe real madrid are just better on a team level, which is obvious
@@spkd123 NBA players usually don't go all out in these exhibition matches for fear of injury. These are promotional matches for basketball to enhance the game in Europe. Btw when you're talking about best player, that's 20%+ of the on court team firepower, 20+ because the best player does more than a regular player. For example, MJ probably on average scored a third (or more) of all Bulls points per game. Basketball is not football, a single player has more effect on a team.
what makes that win% stat kinda crazy to think of as well is that most of those games were against top NBA teams. They won an average of about 35-40% of their games against some of NBA's BEST teams. Think how their record would improve if they were to play every team in the NBA.
@@JamieBaxen-pp5zs what is? so if any team that has what, 30% and lower % winrates, just keep playing games it will definitely improve ovetime because of probabillity?
@@wasdwasdedsf He explained it: The calculated win rate is based on games against the best team of the NBA. It is harder to score against them than against weaker teams of the NBA. So it is fair to assume that the overall win ratio increases, when you also play against the the weaker teams of the NBA and not only the top team.
This is the best video when I see! Facts, numbers dont lie! Eurolegue teams go harder throw the time. 2003 , 2010, 2015. Every year more %for win. Now I think the best of eurolegue play with nba champion here in Europe, with eurolegue rules and refferes I think have 45 %to win! This is Fact. 👍💪🇸🇮
The same story can be seen on international team level as well. The FIBA World Cup for national teams hasn't been won by a north american team since 2014, with the last winner being Germany in 2023 and Spain in 2019. The US did not even make into the top 3 in each of those tournaments respectively. A European team is also tied for most titles overall with the US team (formerly Yugoslavia/now Serbia)
This has nothing to do with NBA and club basketball. i do see your point but a national team is based on national players. a club is based on a team that can be from anywhere. You cant compare a football team such as Barcelona with Spain's team. The "argument " is about NBA champions and not National
I think Americans only take the Olympics seriously. Technically, it's higher than the FIBA World. But I'm not entirely sure. We'll see this 2024 in Paris.
@@peterkotar2324 I am well aware of that, and it's actually seven countries : Bosnia and Herzegovina Croatia Kosovo (as much as some people like to deny this) Montenegro North Macedonia Serbia Slovenia Though most of these countries became independent well back in the early 90's, while Serbia and Montenegro weren't so until 2006-2008.
Did you see joker playing for Serbia in this fiba why didn’t he play cause it’s a low tier leauge for him he’s current nba champion and mvp he could have easily made Sérbia more better but why he didn’t cause it’s sucker trophy the winner it was denis Schroder who was good in finals and he plays in nba what is Schroder is nba nothing guys traded like shit the champion Schroder ain’t shit in nba see the level Schroder dominated in fiba but nba a little guy who gets traded players for Toronto
A couple of days ago, Real Madrid won a game against the Dallas Mavericks in madrid. A match in which it had clearly been agreed not to play defense, otherwise Real Madrid could have won by at least 30 points.
You need to chill on the 2010 Lakers, they won a grueling 7 game series against the celtics playing through injuries, going through the stacked western conference, and earning the 1st seed in a 82 game regular season. Now you have them traveling to Europe during their off season to play a game of basketball against a team they have little to no experience against. Trust me, I would love to see more NBA Collaborations but you need more context for your comparisons. This wasn't a definitive win.
17:40 Important to note that the Euro League teams played the best teams in the NBA if they were to play in a regular season they would have matched up with tanking teams and their records would be much better.
i would love to see NBA teams playing officials on european courts. NBA is better at basketball, but NBA crowds are so lame. Imagine Denver or Boston playing Olympiakos, Real Madrid or Locomotiv with a full court
also, one quick thing. European teams are accustomed to Single-Elimination, something NBA teams dont really know how to face. NBA coaches arent as quick as European coaches to change things in game (they make adjustments, whereas ive seen european coaches changing the starting five from the five that started to other 5 guys in the seconf half), usually making those changes in the next game of the series.
we played against them when i was young and they came here to spain. it was fucking crazy. maybe i remember them to foondly but they were NUTS @@Komdwy
As a non American, it always confused me, coz American sports have a lot of tournaments called "world series" or world championships that only involves American teams 😄until they actually play against other countries
Ah yes because NBA teams care so much about NBA preseason games and they should matter when consider “world champs”. I’m not saying this has zero merit as an argument but using preseason matchups as evidence is absolutely brain dead
if there's something american nba tams definetly should learn about european clubs is to make good club badges. my god the nba badges look just like some kind of soda or snacks label
That's because in the NBA they're franchises, European teams are teams that have more and even more years of history, culture and tradition and many time (like Real or Barcelona) are owned by fans, or in the case of CSKA, was workers owned being the club of the central soviet army until 1992. And many Greek teams were fan owned until recently with over +60 years of history at least. For instance franchises move from cities, or just buy new rosters completely. And that makes them behave more like when your local supermarket chain puts a new store in another place and tries to reach a market by attracting customers.
The Euroleague is the fundamental game of basketball and the NBA is hero basketball and not to mention the offensive advantage, and that's why Luca said that it's easier to score in the NBA, because you basically can't do anything as a defender, you just have to Get out of the way and literally observe.
Dallas will be playing against Real Madrid in preseason game. Real Madrid is the current Euroleague Champions so this game will be exciting for sure. Luka against his former team, I'm sure he is hyped up because this is like homecoming game also him and Tavares has already played each other in World Cup it's like a rematch with different teams.
It's interesting that only the Americans seem to call themselves world champions without playing other countries' teams. They do it in baseball as well (and that's the official title - world series), when the Japanese have actually proven themselves able to compete. The problem after that is that the Americans then seem insistent that playing any sort of world championship match would be insulting or it wouldn't match their season or something. I'm sorry, but you can't call yourselves the world champions without playing any other teams and then laugh off any offers to prove that you're world champions.
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Kobe Bryant have no chance winning against against Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi.
fr fr. and Ramos and Pepe would brakes his ankles
@@maximwannabepro3021bruh they from madrid not barça
the infamous uefalona, i know right
@@mattlai443 yeah like rigged madrid, gotta love stealing titles like they do xD
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As an American who initially sided with Jxmy, this video persuaded me that NBA champs aren't world champs. Thank you for your unbiased take with great statistics to back it up!
unfortunately NA players cant even carry in NA
How about a 7-game series
If you watch his vid you would’ve remembered that the nba is 161-17 against international teams are wind rate is literally 90%💀 but he conveniently didn’t mention that, but they called him out for cherry picking💀
@@Yung_Casanova_ Okay and? NBA teams are 4-4 against European teams since 2012? You missed the entire point proof the video.
@@randomuruk7230 even the rockets could win against the nuggets in a regular season.
Relegation is what make teams in Europe better. Pressure to stay in top league is way harder than any NBA matches.
relegation is the best solution to shameless tanking for draft priorities!
I also watched a video saying European teams learn to play as a team, where American schools and college focus on single standout players, so when they make it to the NBA they aren't the best team players. I like basketball but I don't watch enough to be able to form my own opinion on this subject
They are like a team full of egoist individual....how they can win by themselves
Who is relegated ? Are you kidding me ?
Euroleague is a closed league, you can buy your way in.
@@nomooon So why is not reflected in the Olimpic Games?
I love games featuring nba vs foreign teams. I hope they add more of these to their preseason
To facilitate this, the NBA's pre-season games should start a bit earlier. European season usually start in September but the NBA's training camps start at the end of September.
stopped when they noticed the euro teams beating their all nba squad
We need a world club tournament
year to year
A world tournament with the NBA champion and the champions from each continent would be interesting. FIBA should help organize this competition.
@@sakimtornado DAMN
There’s a reason Luka Doncic from Slovenia said European league is harder then NBA
Well duh. The NBA season (82 games) is more than twice as long as a Euroleague season (34 games). Do you realize how much more taxing that is on your body? NBA players aren't always gonna go hard every game. Meanwhile, Euroleague pllayers have to play hard every game because each win or loss means more. But look at how NBA teams turn it up when the playoffs start. They are on another level.
@@drestathagangsta8880 bruh euroleague is Continental competition, every club in euroleague they have domestic competition in their country for example real madrid playing in acb league and copa del rey in they domestic competition
@@drestathagangsta8880you do realize euroleague is a midweek tournament with each participant playing in their respective country in-between right?
@@drestathagangsta8880 if you count Euroleague, Domestic league, Domestic Cup and Super Cup games, a final4 Euroleague team will have to play around the same amount of games as an NBA team. Also in Europe you don't have commercial time-outs every 5 minutes, so I don't know who's getting more physical at the end. Also in Euroleague all 5 players on the court move like hell, in the NBA it's too much iso and corner men. If you watch a play-off or final 4 game in Europe is like watching wrestling or brawls at times
Add 34 more Games of domestic competition, 1 to 4 of Domestic Cup and 1 or 2 of Supercup.
At least 70 Games, 74 at most, only 8 less than in the NBA where 41 Games are played with now defense and with many players resting.
"world champions" and then they are shocked when the rest of the world says they are arrogant
I mean they kind of prove it in nearly every Olympics in regards to basketball... which involves the world.
What do the Olympics have to do with this, national teams and clubs are not the same. And 2 years ago USA didn’t even get a medal at the World Championship
@@unknownuser5645 In regards to clubs which use players from around the world, no you're right. Like the NBA also uses players from around the world.... BUT just like FIFA which crowns world champions for football (soccer) and has players play for their countries, the Olympics show that the USA in terms of talent are indeed world champions almost every 4 years in basketball including the last Olympics.
Also do you mean the FIBA world championship? Cause USA didn't even get 3rd place last year. Low interest and not sending better talent plays a part in that loss, but they did still lose.
@@enriquegonzales8186 When they win a world national competition, then and only then they can say they’re their world champions, for that particular year, and only when referring to their national team (not the NBA champions).
Btw, the FIBA World Championship is not low interest, it’s a very big deal for all countries just like the FIFA World Cup is for football.
It’s just that the USA decides to start making excuses when they get their asses kicked.
@@unknownuser5645 Not sure where you are from, but when i say "low interest" I am referring to that the USA has low interest in the FIBA title even though they have won 5 world championships. I personally don't like that the USA doesn't take FIBA seriously. But this is showed by this quote on global viewership which also explains why lower talent is sent to FIBA:
"One must bear in mind that the US regards the NBA as the pinnacle of the sport. At the World Cup, USA often fields a team with relatively lesser-known players compared to globally renowned stars that headline the NBA. The NBA is more than two times as popular as the FIBA Basketball World Cup in the US (26%)." by business you gov.
You're screaming into the void honestly. We all know that you're right, and Americans (who disagree) are probably too self-centered to have their minds changed on this. Hopefully we get to see more club matches between NBA and other leagues, and hopefully more leagues can develop talent and keep it to compete with NBA teams.
Well yea he technically right. But at the same time literal children play in the euroleaugue, once they turn 18 if they’re good enough they try to make it in the nba.
@@DabToTheFuture in my opinion euroleague is better and more interesting becouse every time i try to watch nba,players just shooting almost only 3pointers and enemy team doesnt even try to defend. When in euroleague you cant even see the team who doesnt even try to defend
@@rajonskikrw Lorenzo Brown was on the all euro first team last year, he played 100 games in the nba over 5 seasons before playing euro league. His all euro team season he averaged 9 points and 5 assists. That’s worse than the wnba.
You realize the NBA teams play other leagues all the time? This dude just pointed out the only times they actually won and acts like it's a regular thing.
@@tepsicouchi think u missed the entire point which is that euroleague teams specifically have been able to compete with nba teams when they have played against each other, euroleague is far superior to teams from australia or argentina or other places whose teams have played against nba teams
Facts were spoken
Most of the time America doesn't send all of its best players, so this is bit exaggerated. I understand the kid is trying to make content.
@@Youralwayswhining4367😂🤣🤡
@@Youralwayswhining4367😂😂 did you even watch the video no you guys didnt. Or you wouldnt say this nonsense. I think championship teams are pretty good teams no?
since the exhibition games have been a thing the nba teams have 90 win % so like @@duangc3280
@@duangc3280 he’s not wrong the guy cherry pick which is funny because he called out jimmy for cherry picking
Never forget that Greece beat USA team with LeBron, Melo, CP3, Wade etc, 101-95 in 2006.
They toasted the Team USA there loool
USA has won the last 4 Gold medals , Euro league is not as good as NBA
Yeah and real lost to arabic team in international WC, does that mean they are better than Real Madrid? NBA is the main thing to win and the rest is irrevant but for the other team, beating any team from the NBA is the most valuble win they ever got. Thats why they win and not bc they better or something. I mena luka was outplayeling everyone in the europe but when he came to the NBA he couldnt do sh*t, thats the levels between NBA players and the rest of the world.
@@Almighty5-ww1kl ofc they're not as good but they're that far off either. I can watch Euroleague all day!
@@Almighty5-ww1kl Wrong. The US was 4th in 2023 and 7th in 2019.
I am a lifelong Chicago Bulls fan, born and raised in Chicago in the 90s and seeing the dominating Jordan/Pippen teams. Continue to watch them to this day. Now I live in London, and my wife is from Barcelona. I went to an FC Barcelona basket game last year with my mom because we used to go to a lot of Bulls games growing up. I got so anxiety ridden because I felt like they were passing way too much. But in reality they were really really hunting for the best kind of shot. No heroball at all. Made it pretty obvious why the current Bulls 'my turn, your turn' with Lavine and DeRozan is failing. I'm quite sure that last years FC Barcelona with Mirotic would beat the last years' Bulls in a series.
Being away from the US in general, you understand we are just raised with a ridiculous amount of entitled exceptionalism. It's such a gross look when the cacophony of sports media and former NBA players like Gilbert Arenas continue to talk about players like Jokic like he is a joke. I remember when Nikola Mirotic turned down a contract in Utah and Milwaukee to return to Barcelona. I was like, 'yes, I too would have taken less money to live in a way, way, way better city.' And so many people came down on me in comments about how America was the greatest yadda, yadda, yadda. It's ridiculous that even as somebody that has spent substantial time in all three aforementioned cities; trying to explain thing like worker and social rights, the choice of free healthcare, great infrastructure and public transportation, and pedestrian access just illicits a response of 'that's communism.'
Respect to you. Thank you for a wonderful take and reflection.
Funny how much the americans actually love communism. When you tell them of good things, they say communism.
Also, considering how a lot of american internal politics reminds me of late 19th to early 20th century Europe that nurtured the communist idea, it seems they really want to bring about a revolution.
Just weird.
Bro turned down a huge contract from Utah to play in Barcelona, yup bro is acoustic. I’m not even American 😭
Βrilliant comment sir.
Basket game? lol
Facts. You know the game. Europe is improving rapidly. Will be great to have that world championship competition created. Very proud of that Spanish team 💪
I hope to become a professional basketball player, and I wouldn't mind either going to the euro league or nba, both are nice
what do you mean Europe is improving? You do realize that most of the best NBA players are European? NBA is just higher paid league, thats all there is to it. If the same amount of money was circulating in Europe, I believe 90% of Europeans would never even consider going to NBA. On the other hand, calling an NBA team a world champ just because NBA is the strognest league is really stupid. We can all agree that English premiere league is the best football league in the world, but for many years Spanish teams dominated in Champions league over all the English teams, even tho Spanish league is not the strongest. Who is to say that for example Real Madrid wouldn't win an NBA title if they were a part of NBA?
No they not lmao.
@@johnnytomahawk yeah sorry, ur right, they are not. Just like the last 5 mvps were not European 😂
@@Plavaovca doesn’t matter. Who won gold the last 4 olympics?
you see the problem is in the translation. in British English world means the earth, together with all of its countries and peoples. However in American English, world means USA.
That's not problem of language that's called....... delusion.....
In the USA America is their country.
But in the rest of America, America is the continent.
I don't care about the American definition. The world is the globe and the USA is only a part of it. The American version of the word world is DELUSIONAL AND ARROGANT.
@@rockystoney2021 bro he was not being literal, calm down.
@@littlefish2944😁
As a Football Club Barcelona fan, seeing Barcelona do well at basketball in 2008-2010 too is beautiful.
What is guardiola doing in basketball
Same here as a Culer
do u still like barca?
@@editorindebt8410 Of course, Culers cant just stop supporting the team.
@@viticabo1524messi fans did 🤣🫵
It would be really intense, entertaining and controversial if every year nba's playoffs 4 team, euroleague's final 4 and some other nation's league's final 4 compete against each other for World Champions crown.
That like English premier league teams playing Msl. Why would nba fans want to see that. Players who were bad in the nba like Shane larkin become super stars in the euro league
@@Islam.is.the.truth.. Bro there is 8 billion+ people living in this world. And millions of people love NBA and god knows amount of them definitely would watch that. You never know.
It's bad for the NBA's brand. If the top NBA teams lose to international teams, it ruins the idea that the NBA is by far the best league which will cost them money
@@tysmothers exactly sir. They won't risk it. That's a bummer
@@tysmothers that’s not why it’s not done. Just no one in america wants to see that
Remember back in the 30’s when England refused to play in the soccer World Cup because how could anyone even consider themselves better? It was a foregone conclusion, so they said, that England would crush anyone, so why even go to the tournament. Then in 1950 they decided to grace the world with their presence and were summarily eliminated when they lost to the USA by a bunch of amateurs. So much for the English arrogance at the time.
The apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
They Refuse to play FOOTBALL World Cup.
Sure, but in USA team played a few players who weren't american... Joe Maca was belgian, Edward McIlvenny was scottish and Joe Gaetjens was haitian.
@@p.informatico1320 theres a rule in FIFA where you can play for the country your parents either originated from or the country you originate from. Its likely this rule applied at the time. Please dont talk if you dont know the rules 🤣
Ex: Im American. But due to my Jamaican heritage i can play for jamaica
Anybody who remembers anything from the 30's is dead
Calculating the theoretical amount of wins for a Euroleague in the NBA, you also have to consider that historically the Euroleague teams have mostly played NBA champions and not bad NBA teams, so their record would probably be even better
Well, the European clubs were also amongst the best. That was a fair comparison, imo.
@@jal051 yeah, but theres a big difference in winning against kobe's lakers and the worst team in the nba, you tell me which is harder
i mean, half of the teams there were mentioned on the video were unknown to me. except a few.@@jal051
@@srensen3081
Depends there one off games, with an NBA team coming of about 130 game szn (regular and playoffs) so anything is possible .
I feel like best of 7 would be the way to go to really understand the quality difference
Could say the same abt Europe
The simple fact that the NBA doesn't play with the same rules as the rest of the world makes the "Worlds champions" title meaningless
Exactly so if it’s meaningless then why does this conversation get brought up every year
@@boubacarbah820to show how nba managers are arrogant
It applies to Baseball as well. The WBC is the World series for me.
@@boubacarbah820he didn’t say the argument is meaningless, he’s said the a TITLE of world champions is meaningless🧠🤏🤣🫵🫵
@@dave_mate4244the WBC is a joke. US doesn’t send the best guys. Quit glazing these exhibition games
Frendly reminder that most european clubs (like Barcelona) have basketball as a secondary sport, meaning they dont spend nearly as much as they do in football. And also they cover more sports like hockey
BUT THEY ARE STILL BETTER THAN NBA TEAMS🤣🤣🤣
Spoke facts. Great video by this creator. CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED content. This video needs to be viral asap
Umm no he cherry pick the hell out of this video💀 he forgot to mention that nba teams are 161-17 against international teams including fiba 💀 our win rate is literally 90%
@@Yung_Casanova_ uhm stfu and watch the video again
@@Yung_Casanova_ This is about euroleague teams being competitive against NBA teams. NBA teams beating chinese and australian teams have nothing to do with his point.
@@Yung_Casanova_keep crying
@@dron7_shorts ya motha
Dallas mavs just lost against Real Madrid😅
Yeah, but Luka played 4 mins and no Kyrie
@@irn4975right
@@irn4975lol Kyrie is a liability, mavs is stronger without Kyrie. And Real Madrid are bunch if nobodies. Better excuses??😂
@@denpamori2076 Real has pretty good players also many former nba players.
Real madrid won 14 uefa champions leagues and a few club world cups, i havent seen any mls teams do that@@denpamori2076
All american sports call themselves "world champions" but fail to acknowledge other teams in other countries 😂
Its not just nba its every sport in America 😂
Wrong! The Stanley Cup Champions are NOT portrayed as World Champions!!!
@@chrisbee9643 that is just because there are so many Canadians there that would apologize afterwards.
Also it may help the fact that NHL teams had lost several series to Russian teams in the 70's-90's.
Actually, in hockey they do know that some European nations do have very competitive leagues as well (which doesn't happen in more "completely US based" sports like baseball or "football", in basketball the big growth in competitivity elsewhere is mostly recent with the creation of Euroleague as stated in the video).
I really wanna see it get settled. The first time I saw the "World Champions" title being used by the NBA champs, I find it weird since there are no flags being represented there and they were only playing in a domestic league. About time to settle this. Best ball clubs in the world duke it out to see who's the best.
Yeah, no flags are being represented for each team, but technically that statement is partially incorrect as well. The NBA (as well as other American sporting leagues) do have our country's national anthem (The Star-Spangled Banner) be played before EVERY game, regardless of whether it's the postseason or not (and if the Toronto Raptors are playing, the Canadian anthem plays too). I personally find it to be an odd tradition that's dated back to WW1, because you never see this in Europe for the UEFA Champions League (You never hear the anthems of the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, etc. in that event). I don't know how anthems are like in the EuroLeague but many Americans' arrogance and patriotism, especially for the NBA, just boggles my mind, AS AN AMERICAN MYSELF, quite a bit on many occasions.
Don't know about UEFA, but even in small primary school volleyball and Basketball tournaments we had our national anthem played.
Also considering the NBA is literally named a national association, naming themselves world champions is ridiculous. It's like Jamaicans in the Usain Bolt era decided their national champion in sprint is to be a world champion by default ”because they're the best anyway". Lol, it doesn't work like that. You might be a favourite for a title, yet you still need to earn it to claim it.
*NBA and Euroleague Clashing would make such a fuss just like Copa Libertadores with UEFA Champions League* ...Gold tier entertainment there hope we'll live to see it happening!
only in europe. lol US dont care for euro league.
Just put top 4 nba vs top 4 euroleague and 1 other team each. South America/Africa/Asia/Oceania
The explanation is simple: the NBA isn't basketball, it has different rules. When you get used to NBA rules, things often go south when going back to playing the actual game.
Would you mind explaining how so? Like, what rules are so different that they make a "new game"? I don't know anything about basketball, but I don't assume they have something like lowered hoops there or anything, do they?
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@@Dormazain Refs are way to lenient in the NBA.
@@Dormazain look at it this way, many plays that are taken from granted in the NBA in FIBA rules are considered a rule violation. Eg in NBA we take for granted not counting grab and shooting steps.
@@Dormazain refs are less lenient with carrying the ball and give out more fouls. The defensive three-second rule also doesn't exist in FIBA which makes it harder to score in the paint. Imagine Rudy Gobert and Victor Wembanyama playing for the French national team and being allowed to sit in the paint for the whole game. Also the three point line is closer in FIBA
17:50 As a football fan, that is the unholiest thing I've ever seen someone do to a football crest
I'm sure every Madrid and Barça supporters loved it 🤣
😂
The Russian team assimilating. Sneak 100
Also you calculated the games European clubs played vs mostly the top 10 clubs from NBA at the time of playing those games which means that if they can beat the top teams, they could surely beat worse NBA teams and that would improve their potential record in NBA even more
By the same logic, the nba teams can play with worse European teams to improve their record.
@@konstantinosmaragkakis585 You're completely missing the point. He was trying to make the point that the best eu teams could compete in the NBA, what you're saying is completely unrelated to that point.
@@konstantinosmaragkakis585That's already baked into their record cause the top NBA teams are playing the lower rated NBA teams. The euro league teams are purely hypothetical based on the win rate of playing top NBA teams since 2000 or whatever year he said
Winning one game means nothing. These are friendlies, and the NBA teams play friendlies against other leagues all the time, they almost never win. In the NBA, even the worst team in the league can beat the best team on any given night just because of the nature of the game. The vast majority of the time the NBA team wipes the floor with the others.
But they have a 18-78 record against NBA teams.
I'd like to add some more info to this video regardless of the fact it's almost a year old now. There's a tournament called the FIBA Intercontinental Cup which WAS a Club World Cup of Basketball, but no NBA teams wanted to play, in fact 2 universities played throughout the competitions history and won it 4 times... compared to the other 32 winners.
As of now the Basketball Champions League winner plays instead of the Euroleague winner, and the US representative is the G-League Ignite team. Who haven't even reached the final once.
And the actual champion is Franca from Brazil, they won the final against Bonn that was the fiba europe champion and german champion. It expands the subject to other contries out Europe too .
So what you’re saying is that a bunch of college kids who mostly play 1-2 years together (atleast the good ones who move on to the nba) were able to win a tournament against over seas pros ? That’s embarrassing put any college team in the nba and they won’t make the playoffs
Imagine adding the Denver nuggets, Celtics and okc to that tournament. No one would win but them it would be unfair. Especially since it won’t be these friendlys this dude is boasting about where the nba doesn’t care
@@yahirzavala-nm9ur not college, universities
FIBA already has Intercontinetal Cup for year, but currently Europe is represented by Fiba Champions League title holder (which is together with Eurocup 2nd tier continetial competition in Europe) , USA by G league Champion, Latin America by Basketballl Champions League Americas champion, Africa by BAL champion and Asia by Chinese title holder. So NBA, Euroleague (for info, Euroleague and Eurocup from 2000 are not controlled by Fiba, if you did not know) and Australian-New Zealand NBL league champions are missing. To Expand this compettition would be great for basketball, however it clashes with offseason NBA and Euroleague schedule
It would be interesting to see that competition evolve to the "Club World Cup" idea that the video exposes, cause it currently does not represent that idea with the participants that competes
@@MambaMonkeyOGtrue. Its kinda strange that basketball doesnt have official international competition between the winners of top tier competitions while Handball has it and like, Europeans clubs beat everyone by 5 points minimum😂
@@skojuzijanot only handball, but football aswell.
@@MrRockleyend I know but I said handball as an example because its not near the global popularity of basketball
Would be cool to see if the NBA would one day change the NBA Cup or whatever they're doing starting this season instead into an international tournament where NBA teams could compete against the top international teams
The time has come for a club-world-championship in Basketball!! Let's gooo
its already there but no one takes it seriously, its called FIBA intercontinental cup.
Shouldn't be played after the season in the summer. Must be played mid season. Now must also must not be played only in Europe. Too noisy. Now who is going to pay the NBA players? Ticket and t.v. rights?
I think he meant basketball clubs from other countries, not the national basketball team fo each country. @@tumiskw
Real Madrid would beat the Lakers under Euroleague rules
The should establish fiba club world cup or like upgrade their intercontinental cup
As a soccer fan, I agree to your proposal.
Make it an “Intercontinental Cup” between the winners of the NBA and the EuroLeague. That’s the name of a super cup competition between the UEFA Champions League winners and the Copa Libertadores winners from 1960 to 2004. And unlike its successor Club World Cup, it’s pretty even back then.
I agree with you but just one problem. It's called football.
@@SOH-bl4mr This guy is American, right?
@scratchybongvt it does not matter. It. Is called. Football. You may sleep in your comfortable bed located at precisely 56.005838°N 45.039717°W yet I will still lurk in your walls. You eat to stay healthy. I eat to make the food crisis worse. You play ball for fun. I play with balls. We are not the same.
Id be curious to see what adjustments would be made by both teams in a 7 game series.
in NBA or Euroleague rules/referees? that´s the real deal. BTW, probably the NBA team would win, but would be a nice tournament, not a friendly pre season game. Most of this games were on pre season for NBA, but on NBA rules aswell
@@drazen4368 I'd like to see Euroleague rules and refs. Really to see if the NBA team would win when at a disadvantage.
Dude this is silly 😂 winning one game after they had played an entire playoffs with a 7 games series. Come on man, they not winning a 7 games series 😂
@@mtk4539 It's not silly. You do know only Nba . You dont even know nothing about Euroleageu . You hardly know what is Europe.
@@vladetastojanovic9406 what a silly assumption to make. I’ve traveled many time to Europe to play rugby 😂 you know nothing about me to make this comment silly
I doubt this will ever happen. The NBA teams wouldn't want to risk losing their prestige as the best teams in the world. They are making too money and have too much clout. It is why 1v1 competitions don't happen in the NBA or the fact that stars don't play in the dunk contest.
Na man, these were preseason games. You guys fail to realize these are still humans, and have mentalities that don’t always equate to what the fans think. Euro guys can play for sure, but these games weren’t taken serious at all. You can use stats to back it up but stats don’t speak on effort, and the stigma the nba has always had shows the euros have more to prove coming here to play for and against the nba vs nba players playing a exhibition game against euros..
@@RAZYRAZY1124 I agree that since its exhibition the NBA guys don’t try as hard as the Euro guys trying to make a statement. My point is there can’t be an actual high stakes competition cuz the NBA players have too much at stake if they lose compared to the Euro guys.
@@RAZYRAZY1124 With this same argument I can say the European teams didn't take any of the games seriously either. What's your point?
@@davidsoup1738 no you can’t.. they don’t have the leverage to even consider doing that..
thats a lie if that were true they wouldnt allow there players to play in the olympics think man think why would they even have the international games then gotnrid of it but it was a thing
america is the personification of the meme guy celebrating with champagne and his medal and then it zooms out and theyre on third place
I like to imagine them as the Obama meme where he hangs a medal on himself 😂
I think the only difference between the NBA and the Euro league is the defense is harder in Euro league and in the NBA it's easier to score plus the 3pt line is shorter
U forget the fans. I bet many NBA teams would choke like hell if they have to play a Serbian team in front of Serbian fans continuously chanting, singing, and firing flares.
@@ClovzeLeFernandezMatthewsthats a fact,they arent used to it
The game is completely different, different format, different plays, different roles and positions
@@TMPOUZI
Exactly. The coaching and strategy is completely different also. Even the court dimensions are different and travel rules. It's not even comparable in my opinion. I prefer the dynamics of the European basketball myself. It's just my personal preference, i'm sure many people prefer the NBA.
@@BatkoBrat You are correct. Only the highlights are worth watching from the nba nowadays. I really can't stand the excessive travelling going on, the non-existant defencive plays and the commercial breaks every 5 minutes or so
In Europe's Football, there is a UEFA Champions League which seek out the best team in Europe. Europe arguably has the best Football Leagues in the world but when they won the Champion's League, I havent seen anyone called that team who won a World Champ. They just said, "European Champion". They usually said World Champ only when they won the FIFA Club World Cup.
So by saying NBA champs are World Champs. doesnt make sense to me. Or maybe I'm just stupid and doesnt have the right to think like this :v
Nope, you’re completely right
You're right, what's happening is just that basketball has been one of "america's sports" for a long time, and only now it's starting to become a more international sport.
Football on the other hand has always been an international sport from the start.
So many americans who watch the NBA aren't used to the concept of a real international sport, it's new concept for them, while to us it's just obvious.
If there was a world championship game for basketball like FIFA has for soccer, your take would make sense
@jessetorres9502 whats soccer? You mean football?
@@jessetorres9502 it makes sense either way. No right to claim a title if you didn't earn it. You might be a clear favourite, yet to be crowned you still need to win. It's easy. No world championship? No world champions.
US calling their national leagues winners WORLD CHAMPIONS kinda sums up everything that can be said about the US
not to mention that in 2022, the adelaide 36ers of the Australian NBL, who finished 7th in a 10 team league with a record of 10-18, beat the phoenix suns, who had just lost the nba finals with a record of 64-18, 134-124 in phoenix.
NBA is a show, Europe teams actually play basketball
This is one of the most satisfying videos I've ever seen.
8:32 And THAT'S why nba or any other powerful team can't declare itself champion without playing. There were some cases of european teams (the clearly superior teams and favs to win it every year) getting beaten by teams from south america and others from mexico and africa put up a good fight making everyone doubt who would get the W
Even if you'll win 99 out of 100 games as long as that single L exists you can't celebrate beforehand
hermano argentino, no pudiste haberlo dicho mejor
It’s funny how Barcelona’s basketball team still has FC in the name
Barcelona football club
Sound about right
-Barça’s direction
Their handball team does as well.
And?
@@Qualipse it's funny.
IT"S FUNNY YO FCB = FOOTBALL THIS IS BCB@@Qualipse
You have to say that the nba and euroleague have diferent rules, because It matters a lot for the stats
what if i told you he did?
the lakers just did one friendly match without a prize.
If they paid attention, Americans won't be trolled@@loxy2646
@@lunarsann5499 So did Barcelona...
Personally I think a yearly 3 game series between the Euro League champions and NBA champions should be organized
they going to have world tournament via clubs around the world
This aged extremely well lmao
All hail Noah Lyles 😂
Barca and Real Madrid be cooking in fútbol and basketball 💀
Very timely as Real Madrid just beat Dallas Mavericks yesterday. 😂 i mean yeah Luka didn’t play much and Dallas didn’t make the playoffs last season but these are NBA players who are “best of the best”. Great video, DKM. 😄
friendlies... who cares
Luka is literally one of their only good players and without Luka they're a subpar team.
Do you know what best of the best means? If they didn’t make the playoffs, they’re not the best of the best… NBA champions are the best of the best 😅
@@kennyoffhennyHE USD THIS TERM, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO AMERICANS, THE PLAYERS PLAYING IN NBA ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST COMPARED TO OTHER WORLD LEAGUES, WHIC ISN'T TRUE
@@mahdisultan3546 you didn’t understand. Championship Euro league teams are better than some NBA teams, but NBA championship teams are usually better than championship euro league teams
It would be nice to see more of the nba teams versus other teams in the world.
Everybody forgot the golden rule of "lets settle it on the court" lmao
They can’t lol the two schedules don’t mesh at all
@@Chief_kemosabe The don't mesh in soccer either, and yet they do it.
@@jal051
Bro really compared a 130 game season to a 50 game one
@@matthewmartin7391 playing a soccer match is much more taxing on the body. you probably spend (way) more time on the field and need to do a lot more running. so it balances out.
@@janthecoo4964 not really, nba players play a maximum of 135 games a season if they go all the way and have to constantly be running and jumping in an explosive manner with barely any rest days most times being just a 1 day rest. Where in soccer you have up to a week for league games and midweek for domestic and continental competitions.
So they have better recovery as for actual gameplay footballers have a more tedious cardiovascular challenge however in terms of frequency of injury the nba is a lot more injury prone as players are constantly jumping putting incredible pressure on there knees which is already bad with a tall persons high center of gravity compared to a footballers lower center of gravity and heightened lower body strength.
It’s about the same interms of taxing body issues.
That’s facts
The first time I saw a video of a TH-camr I follow regarding the world champions argument being right I thought about the same example and actually you quote this video on yours, and I just couldn’t help myself to think about the champions league, this is just accurate facts
Maccabi Tel Aviv in four times, Real Madrid, CSKA and Barça in three times, Fenerbahçe in two times and Unicaja, ALBA Berlin, Adelaide 36ers and the national team of the Soviet Union, the only ones to win against NBA teams...anyway, thank you for make this very needed video, whatever more powerful the NBA is, it is still a national league.
I would love to see something like the club world cup we see in soccer. Hopefully FIBA can organize something like that so that there is actual competitive basketball played between different continents.
FIBA actually already has a tournament like this. It's called Intercontinental Cup
Would NBA clubs even attend if it's played under FIBA rules? It's easier to say you are world champion just because.
@@jal051Finalists from ECF and WCF. Or top 2 team regular season team from both EC AND WC.
They do have such an event, but an interesting fact is that a competition like the Basketball World Cup is not even as important as the Olympics
@@mralyx5996 In the US. In the rest of countries we care about them equally, if not more about the WC.
I would love to see a world championship game or 3 game series from the Euroleague and NBA champs every year in the preseason as part of prepping for their new seasons but also for the actual world champ title
In our perspective as Brazilians, this issue is reminiscent of the "Copa Toyota" controversy, also known as the Intercontinental Cup. In this tournament, the champion of the Copa Libertadores (which, by the way, excludes teams from Central and North America) faced the champion of the UEFA Champions League in a single match. After this single game, the winner was considered the world champion. Currently, the FIFA Club World Cup includes champions from continental leagues as representatives, and there are still plans for changes to give this tournament a championship format. In my view, this would provide more fairness in the "world champion" matter.
absolutely correct my brazilian friend
Yeah, the intercontinental was really outdated. It belong to the times when only Europe and South America had strong clubs, and it wasn't even correct in the territories. It's good they changed it. But hey, at least there was a cup. No one claimed to be World Champion just because.
your copa libertadores winner got slapped 4 zip by a team without its two best players. those north and central american teams would not change aynthing to that
@@reinoutvanrespaille6217 Your analysis is quite superficial, considering that a team from Asia and two from Africa have reached the final. Just like Fluminense, Santos with Neymar lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the final. So, understand that the world is not limited to South America and Europe, even in sports.
@@profpenatieri your point makes no sense. the champions of each continent play in a direct elimination tournament to decide the world champion. EXACTLY like the actual world cup. what do you want every single team in the world to play each other to determine the world champion?
Speaking the truth that others aren’t willing to hear! Pure facts
Excellent video, only thing wrong I could find was around the 8 minute mark when you say the Premier is the best football national league. It isn't. The only reason people claim it is is because it's the English league, which makes it more internationally accessible and have more "history" to itself.
The best league is the Spanish "LaLiga". It has the best teams with the most international titles along with the best players in the world.
No. It’s statistically the EPL. Anecdotally, from players and managers, it’s the EPL.
La Liga is not the force it once was, since the EPL is benefitting from much higher revenue
Even the basketball version of Barcelona can terrorizing anyone between 2009-2011
Noah Lyles is laughing somewhere at the background. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He doesn't need to. He just needs to keep on focusing on his athletics career and winning more medals against athletes from all over the world. He doesn't live in a self-claimed fantasy with self-awarded "world champions" titles, and that's a big win for him already.
someone is salty@@ClovzeLeFernandezMatthews
He’s a bum
0:14 I loved it "SELF proclaim World Champions"
i just watched this video after the loss of the mavs against real madrid
mavericks best player played 10 minutes and the 2nd best didnt play
@@konstantinosvlachakis1857 so youre telling me mavericks are just a bunch of losers depending on 1 player? Aight. Or maybe real madrid are just better on a team level, which is obvious
@@spkd123 NBA players usually don't go all out in these exhibition matches for fear of injury. These are promotional matches for basketball to enhance the game in Europe. Btw when you're talking about best player, that's 20%+ of the on court team firepower, 20+ because the best player does more than a regular player. For example, MJ probably on average scored a third (or more) of all Bulls points per game. Basketball is not football, a single player has more effect on a team.
@@MrAkaacer ahh, so youre saying they dont want to play. Of course. You're just either delusional or ignorant.
@@spkd123you pretty much said it yourself 😂 that's the Mavs for you , the team runs through Doncic no one else sorry buddy boy
This was one of the best basketball videos I've ever watched, very very eye opening. Thank you
3:16 that’s kind of a reach because you’re not considering the USA 1992 Olympics team. The dream team
Facts
I knew we could rely on you making these arguments and spreading the word
what makes that win% stat kinda crazy to think of as well is that most of those games were against top NBA teams. They won an average of about 35-40% of their games against some of NBA's BEST teams. Think how their record would improve if they were to play every team in the NBA.
what why would their record mprove if they play every team ...
@@wasdwasdedsf Simple probability
@@JamieBaxen-pp5zs what is? so if any team that has what, 30% and lower % winrates, just keep playing games it will definitely improve ovetime because of probabillity?
@@wasdwasdedsf Thats not what I said.
@@wasdwasdedsf He explained it: The calculated win rate is based on games against the best team of the NBA. It is harder to score against them than against weaker teams of the NBA.
So it is fair to assume that the overall win ratio increases, when you also play against the the weaker teams of the NBA and not only the top team.
This is the best video when I see! Facts, numbers dont lie! Eurolegue teams go harder throw the time. 2003 , 2010, 2015. Every year more %for win. Now I think the best of eurolegue play with nba champion here in Europe, with eurolegue rules and refferes I think have 45 %to win! This is Fact. 👍💪🇸🇮
The same story can be seen on international team level as well. The FIBA World Cup for national teams hasn't been won by a north american team since 2014, with the last winner being Germany in 2023 and Spain in 2019. The US did not even make into the top 3 in each of those tournaments respectively. A European team is also tied for most titles overall with the US team (formerly Yugoslavia/now Serbia)
This has nothing to do with NBA and club basketball.
i do see your point but a national team is based on national players. a club is based on a team that can be from anywhere. You cant compare a football team such as Barcelona with Spain's team.
The "argument " is about NBA champions and not National
tf u mean "now serbia"? Yugoslavia consisted of 6 countries?
I think Americans only take the Olympics seriously. Technically, it's higher than the FIBA World. But I'm not entirely sure. We'll see this 2024 in Paris.
@@peterkotar2324 I am well aware of that, and it's actually seven countries :
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Kosovo (as much as some people like to deny this)
Montenegro
North Macedonia
Serbia
Slovenia
Though most of these countries became independent well back in the early 90's, while Serbia and Montenegro weren't so until 2006-2008.
Did you see joker playing for Serbia in this fiba why didn’t he play cause it’s a low tier leauge for him he’s current nba champion and mvp he could have easily made Sérbia more better but why he didn’t cause it’s sucker trophy the winner it was denis Schroder who was good in finals and he plays in nba what is Schroder is nba nothing guys traded like shit the champion Schroder ain’t shit in nba see the level Schroder dominated in fiba but nba a little guy who gets traded players for Toronto
A couple of days ago, Real Madrid won a game against the Dallas Mavericks in madrid. A match in which it had clearly been agreed not to play defense, otherwise Real Madrid could have won by at least 30 points.
dude y’all could/would not have won by no 30 pts…Idk who be sounding more ridiculous sometimes, the Americans or the Europeans.
Bullshit.
Ooooooooo 😮 dramaaaa! You calling out Jimmy Highroller - Noice! 👏🏻
Incredibly well put video. Amazingly done, congratulations!!
Many of the teams that lost to the NBA are from the second leagues from their country
"WORLD CHAMPIONS OF WHAT?"😂❤
Thanks for saying it! You have this Canadian's support!
I don’t watch basketball, but seeing this video, I think it would be cool if they organized a championship like the Club World Cup by FIFA
NBA: Best players, super popular
Euroleague: Better plays, better teams, better refs(I think)
You need to chill on the 2010 Lakers, they won a grueling 7 game series against the celtics playing through injuries, going through the stacked western conference, and earning the 1st seed in a 82 game regular season. Now you have them traveling to Europe during their off season to play a game of basketball against a team they have little to no experience against. Trust me, I would love to see more NBA Collaborations but you need more context for your comparisons. This wasn't a definitive win.
I heard the words "World Champion"... As a german I became sharp-eared! 😉😂
"They hated him because he spoke the truth"
17:40 Important to note that the Euro League teams played the best teams in the NBA if they were to play in a regular season they would have matched up with tanking teams and their records would be much better.
He also chose some of the finest clubs in Europe. I think his comparison is balanced.
The question is how serious do the NBA players take those games.
Because I doubt they take serious at all.
Yeah, it's just a preseason game that's just got a bit more spice to it but that's it.
I thought Kobe was supposed to be competitive
You really think professional sportsmen can turn off a winning mentality
Watch an NBA all star game 😂@@slapmyfunkybass
Greece vs USA (101 - 95) on the semifinal of 2006 World Cup. Outstanding win for Greece!
Facts overload......Common sense overload.
i would love to see NBA teams playing officials on european courts. NBA is better at basketball, but NBA crowds are so lame. Imagine Denver or Boston playing Olympiakos, Real Madrid or Locomotiv with a full court
also, one quick thing. European teams are accustomed to Single-Elimination, something NBA teams dont really know how to face. NBA coaches arent as quick as European coaches to change things in game (they make adjustments, whereas ive seen european coaches changing the starting five from the five that started to other 5 guys in the seconf half), usually making those changes in the next game of the series.
Lokomotiv? Are you for real?
@@Komdwy yeah, they are bad. But crowds are Crazy
@@carlosmartinezcaballer8203 You must be joking..
we played against them when i was young and they came here to spain. it was fucking crazy. maybe i remember them to foondly but they were NUTS @@Komdwy
Quite easy to be self-proclaimed world champion when you exclude the192 other countries from the championship 🤣
Exactly... Sounds like they are scared of a True Rival that would knock them off their high horse.... they are afraid of competition.
Him saying cherry picking stats is hilarious💀
As a non American, it always confused me, coz American sports have a lot of tournaments called "world series" or world championships that only involves American teams 😄until they actually play against other countries
I legit thought world Series in baseball is a world Cup tournament
@@YashMezzala bro😄
its a trap for sponsors x)
Relax, euroleague/nba games involving champs is 19-6 going the US's way. The NBA is still the best league on the planet without a doubt.
@@crusaderman4043 I'm not talking about that though
absolutely correct, we need NBA vs Euro League annually!!!!
I dont know why I just watched this. Im not even a basketball fan. But good video, have a like
Ah yes because NBA teams care so much about NBA preseason games and they should matter when consider “world champs”. I’m not saying this has zero merit as an argument but using preseason matchups as evidence is absolutely brain dead
Still your teams aint "world champion" 😂
Barça winning the ucl in 2011 with their football team AND the lakers in basketball is like a dream come true 🔥 theyre goated at my 2 favourite sports
They were goated at football for like 10 years. They re trash now. Chill
Barca didn't win the ucl in 2010....
@tomTOM-de2nk Oh yeah,confused 2010 with 2010-11.
if there's something american nba tams definetly should learn about european clubs is to make good club badges. my god the nba badges look just like some kind of soda or snacks label
That's because in the NBA they're franchises, European teams are teams that have more and even more years of history, culture and tradition and many time (like Real or Barcelona) are owned by fans, or in the case of CSKA, was workers owned being the club of the central soviet army until 1992. And many Greek teams were fan owned until recently with over +60 years of history at least.
For instance franchises move from cities, or just buy new rosters completely. And that makes them behave more like when your local supermarket chain puts a new store in another place and tries to reach a market by attracting customers.
The nba logos are fire wym they both are
The european club badges are frequently ridiculous.
Some Europe cup (3rd tier) team having the absolute of a banger logo be like :
Mf theyre almost all ass😂 the bucks and bulls logo sweep the entire european badge debate
this needs to get settled sooner rather than later
The Euroleague is the fundamental game of basketball and the NBA is hero basketball and not to mention the offensive advantage, and that's why Luca said that it's easier to score in the NBA, because you basically can't do anything as a defender, you just have to Get out of the way and literally observe.
One game sample size against NBA teams fresh off of training camp. Come on lmfao
Man if the euroleague and nba merge, it would be crazy
There used to be rumours about NBA thinking of an European franchise.
It's stupid because of geography
But playing a single game during preseason it's a good idea
you forgot to mention the crazy strong USA Team against Greece in 2006 : 101-95 win for Greece.
I've become Scott Steiner after watching this video
Dallas will be playing against Real Madrid in preseason game. Real Madrid is the current Euroleague Champions so this game will be exciting for sure. Luka against his former team, I'm sure he is hyped up because this is like homecoming game also him and Tavares has already played each other in World Cup it's like a rematch with different teams.
But they use nba rules and nba referees right?
@@BontoBontoa Yeah NBA rules and probably 3 NBA referees since it's a NBA preseason game.
and the dallas lost
Damn it's crazy when fc barcelona dropped messi on the court. Everyone is breaking ankles and yes he slam dunked
It's interesting that only the Americans seem to call themselves world champions without playing other countries' teams. They do it in baseball as well (and that's the official title - world series), when the Japanese have actually proven themselves able to compete. The problem after that is that the Americans then seem insistent that playing any sort of world championship match would be insulting or it wouldn't match their season or something.
I'm sorry, but you can't call yourselves the world champions without playing any other teams and then laugh off any offers to prove that you're world champions.