INVENTOR CLASS GUIDE - PATHFINDER 2E

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  • The Inventor has finally been released with the new Guns & Gears supplement book for Pathfinder 2e! Let's dive deep into this class and talk about all of the WILD ways you can augment you character's customized innovation in this class guide!
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  • @Nonat1s
    @Nonat1s  2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Less than 10 minutes and people have already caught me! Investigator is an Int based class! Thanks for keeping me honest, yall!
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    • @quark12000
      @quark12000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Alchemist too.

    • @kylone1
      @kylone1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was going to say Alchemist, but I wasn't sure if you considered them martial because they only get up to expert in bombs and weapons. I too forgot about the investigator because in all my years of playing I haven't known anyone who has ever played one.

    • @simurghthepersian7220
      @simurghthepersian7220 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey nonat dude ! Crit specialisation for armor inventor is for unarmed martial artist inventor

    • @buffewo6386
      @buffewo6386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I died a little inside when you forgot us...
      The guy who has played so many Investigators that people ask if I'm ok if I bring something else to the table...

    • @AClassyGuy
      @AClassyGuy ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know if you will EVER read this, but my regular D&D Group has recently made the switch to PF2 (WOTC has screwed everyone) and I am playing a poppet inventor with the power armor with phlogistonic regulator. Do you think this would negate the natural vulnerability to fire that all poppets have (being constructs)? I haven't been able to find a set answer because the extra damage is 1/3 of my level, while the resistance is 1/2? Do you happen top have any sage wisdom in regard to this?

  • @poke_onix9235
    @poke_onix9235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    My current character is a goblin inventor whose invention is a wheelchair construct he rides. Couldn't be happier with this class.

    • @kyzer42
      @kyzer42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nice! That reminds me of Daretti from Magic: The Gathering.

    • @justincampbell5987
      @justincampbell5987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      About to make a goblin inventor with the alchemist archetype and ride his "glider" construct

    • @poke_onix9235
      @poke_onix9235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@justincampbell5987 great minds think alike - or similar I guess. You can get really creative with inventions. Hell you can even make a shield a weapon invention if you wanted to

    • @justincampbell5987
      @justincampbell5987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poke_onix9235 you can make most of the avengers as inventors.

    • @poke_onix9235
      @poke_onix9235 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justincampbell5987 you know, you're not wrong

  • @andrewwahba5006
    @andrewwahba5006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    "First intelligence-baswd, non-caster class"
    Investigators crying in the corner

    • @brutusthecat6044
      @brutusthecat6044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      The Alchemist slowly phases out of existence. (They get a level 1 Feat just like every other martial class, they count)

    • @rickbau7476
      @rickbau7476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Poor and forgotten alchemist and investigator 😢

    • @zuresei
      @zuresei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      that's so funny; I'm currently running an Inventor alongside an Alchemist and Investigator without any spellcasters in the rest of the party. we're having great fun playing off one another and working around the other three (actual martial characters) when a proper fight breaks out

  • @Delarissa
    @Delarissa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    17:55 "The hampering trait, which I don't think existed before Guns & Gears", then a flash message saying "It Didn't". It most definitely did, it was in the Lost Omens - Ancestry Guide. The Whip Claw, a Catfolk weapon that has hampering.

  • @sparklingwater925
    @sparklingwater925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Actually investigator is the first intelligence based martial.

    • @brutusthecat6044
      @brutusthecat6044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Alchemist: Am I a joke to you?

    • @AlossFS
      @AlossFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mastermind rogue at all?

    • @nicolasvillasecaali7662
      @nicolasvillasecaali7662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brutusthecat6044 he is more like a team enhancer support than a martial, unless im missing something.

    • @brutusthecat6044
      @brutusthecat6044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nicolasvillasecaali7662 The Alchemist does lean into the Support role but they are martials, especially if you look at their mutagenist subclass

    • @nicolasvillasecaali7662
      @nicolasvillasecaali7662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brutusthecat6044 i mean, i guess? Imo they should be able to make mutagens for your allies to make the party their super atomic guinea pigs and make them more awesome to beat that evil air balling bozos. Idk why they feats have to only affect you, since you are becoming better at creating this concoctions.

  • @lothesven3236
    @lothesven3236 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    If i am correct, a broken wall is still a wall. In a dungeon this could be lifesaving. Also 30 feet line from which you can make an explosion dealing 15d6 with 15 foot emanation is nuts... provided your constuct can survive this long. I guess you can't make it explode if it's broken.

  • @WolfClant
    @WolfClant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    while i agree with your rant on the subclass change in level 19, from a fluff stance, wouldn't it be cool that you essentially wear your construct as a suit or it transforms to your weapon like Transformers?

  • @Kingdoms.Kobolds_81
    @Kingdoms.Kobolds_81 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Small or Medium Construct size can make a significant difference- if your character is Small and your Construct is Medium then you can ride it as a mount!
    Kobolds on Constructs ftw xD

    • @mastertadakatsu
      @mastertadakatsu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Something like this?
      th-cam.com/video/jlB_tmbiqbM/w-d-xo.html

    • @diestormlie
      @diestormlie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm now imagining a Kobold Don Quixote on his Robot Rocinante.
      Sold.

    • @Kingdoms.Kobolds_81
      @Kingdoms.Kobolds_81 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My idea for a mount is a mechanical version of the riding drakes like from Golden Axe, basically a Jurassic Park style Velociraptor but with draconian features. Also it is 2-headed because A.) It's distinctive and B.) Allows for a direct line of sight in front between the two heads and necks when it's not running at full speed with it's head(s) down

  • @shrimpisdelicious
    @shrimpisdelicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Fun fact: several of the firearms in the "Guns" section of Guns & Gears are Level 0 or Level 1. Which means making an inventor who invents a better gun is totally a thing you can do. I'd probably go with the Harmona Gun, myself; it has a d10 damage die but no Fatal trait, which sounds like a good pickup for someone firing a gun without a Gunslinger or Fighter proficiency

    • @austinobst8989
      @austinobst8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's great with megaton strike.

    • @HenshinFanatic
      @HenshinFanatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      300 foot range increment Arquebus, or if you really want to take the piss, 360 foot range increment Repeating Heavy Crossbow.

  • @okagisama
    @okagisama 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I can see a robodog transforming itself into a full suit of armor and being inhabited by its creator like Ironman personnally, that'd be kind of cool.

  • @SrKing-dm4ku
    @SrKing-dm4ku ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Had a big brain moment explaining why disarm be like that! The ready action. The enemy is already 1+ actions into their turn, and you disarm them on a reaction, so now they cannot flourish or do a 2 action attack

  • @NuclearPoweredGinger
    @NuclearPoweredGinger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    See, I like the level 19 capstone. But not because it lets you change your subclass at daily preparations, oh no.
    It lets you change your mods and offensive boost at daily prep. This lets you change up your innovation to what you think you’re gonna need for the rest of the day, similar to a Wizard preparing different spells, rather than taking a day to do so. So lets say you know you’re gonna be facing down a fire dragon today, now your armor inventor can make sure they have the right damage resistance for the job. Or maybe the mission requires taking somebody in alive, now the weapon inventor can make sure they don’t accidentally kill the target. Traveling over the sea for a quick voyager? Construct inventor can give their pet a swim speed. To me that’s just plain cool.
    Screw changing subclasses though, I don’t think I’d ever do that unless somebody real close to my character died or something big like that.

  • @Sequellbellhelmel
    @Sequellbellhelmel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Finally I can show this to my fiancee! She's been going crazy about the inventor ever since the playtest

  • @bluemagnusstormcrow
    @bluemagnusstormcrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I suspect that the fire and cold resistance armour modification doesn't get 3+half your level because it would basically negate the fire damage from the inventor's critical failure effects if it did. Especially because you wouldn't take any fire damage from it until 8th level I believe.

  • @elsewhereprince3969
    @elsewhereprince3969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As soon as I saw the weapon innovations I was reminded of Green Arrow and wanted to make a Inventor/Ranger character.
    Blunt Shot = punch glove arrow
    Also Visual Fidelity + Blind-Fight is a powerful combination.

    • @bazzfromthebackground3696
      @bazzfromthebackground3696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      An inventor using fists and throwing weapons could be Batman. Lol
      You could make your own justice league.

  • @LilythePie
    @LilythePie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for making these, I’m in the midst of making my dnd 5e campaign into a pathfinder 2e campaign and these are definitely going to help my players get use to their classes again

  • @milanmarkovic2721
    @milanmarkovic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    22:26 Inventor feat + Reverse engineer (inventor) feat + Gadget specialist feat chain + formula book with all common item formulas(also has some bombs, mutagens and 1st level spell scroll formula) = formulas for days.

  • @MisterMixxy
    @MisterMixxy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Small correction: You said that Explode's damage goes up "every odd level". That's incorrect. At 3rd level, *and every level thereafter*, its damage increases by 1d6.
    At every level other than 1st level, it's doing 1d6 per character level.

  • @Olimar92
    @Olimar92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Omnirange Stabilizers, either Crossbow and Sharpshooter Automaton. Max range of a single attack at no range penalty: 720ft.

  • @blykins80
    @blykins80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Hampering Trait DID exist prior to Guns & Gears. It was introduced in the Ancestry Guide as a Catfolk weapon "Whip Claw"

  • @RekijanGaming
    @RekijanGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Today we observe a content creator in the wild that has discoverd the flame graphic and explosion sound. Amazing :D

  • @yohangasmask5075
    @yohangasmask5075 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey, idea.
    What if, at level 19, Infinite Invention let you swap out features with your subclass every 10 minutes instead of every day, and also lets you reset unstable abilities whenever you do? That way you can treat your subclass features like focus points, and keep your subclass identity.

  • @mentalkitty789
    @mentalkitty789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    On the 19th feat. I think something like 'dual innovations' would have been cooler. Maybe you have to split your innovation upgrades between the two or this one gets a few points to less breakthroughs but then it still encourages the 'retrain' as you combine two radical and unique inventor items together for a crazy combo.

  • @elianisthebrave6988
    @elianisthebrave6988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When i readed the playtest of the armor inovation being able to put their armor with so few actions (rather then minutes) the first thing i thought about was i could make a Kamen Rider/Power ranger character. i hope its still here in the official book.

  • @LordCyler
    @LordCyler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Difficult Terrain penalties are applied to the square you are moving into, not out of.

  • @midnamidnightwhisper7529
    @midnamidnightwhisper7529 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Since she first learned how to craft a dagger she dreamed of making the most incredible weapon of all time, one that could slay powerful beings even from other realms, a weapon fit for a hero of the ages to wield and bring peace to the sundered land. As she grew older the dreams became more realistic, but never lost its shine, through rigorous learning, experience, and testing she'd made her prototype, given it a name, and protected it with her life - and after the hours, days, weeks of careful handiwork, it also protected her amidst the chaos of battle. Then came the time she thought would be her final hour, but instead was her finest - and she realized she had become the hero of the ages she'd dreamed of - an incredible smite staggered the ancient evil before her, and her ally finished it for good. Tears fell from her eyes as she gazed upon the greatness conceived by the meek little tinkerer she once was, bringing peace at last."
    And then after the level up she decided to make a robot that can become a wall.

  • @YaGirlGumption
    @YaGirlGumption 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad a gun toting inventor is not only possible but encouraged with a lot of these amazing options.

  • @astranger934
    @astranger934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2:51 Investigator is also a full martial trained class that's INT based. But they're also stinky, so.

    • @ramisthename6193
      @ramisthename6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TBH I did some math and... Yeah inventor isn't much better than an investigator sorry

    • @decimusdrake5791
      @decimusdrake5791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ramisthename6193 ?Care to share the maths

    • @ramisthename6193
      @ramisthename6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Soo..... This is with the both of them using a one handed weapon for one strike. for this the inventor uses a long sword and investigator a short sword.
      Inventor: 2d8(9)+4+2+4+1d6(3.5)=22.5
      Investigator: 2d6(7)+2+4+3d6(10.5)=23.5
      They're AC is also very similar (unless you get the armor feature that makes it "plate" like). All in all both are fine if you really cared you could optimize every class so just play what you like I guess

    • @austinobst8989
      @austinobst8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Investigator is the megamind class. It's all about recall knowledge since you can make any skill checks with at least your level being your proficiency, so any lore check will still be pretty good. In terms of combat, the inventor is better suited, but for support and knowledge, investigator beats it by a mile

  • @robertmayotte7317
    @robertmayotte7317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Explode's dice # equals your level past level 1,btw. It increases by 1 die at Every Single Level 3+, not just odd levels

  • @swordsman1612
    @swordsman1612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh... I like this. An inventor, with some gadgets and Alchemist dedication...

  • @WhiteZombie7689
    @WhiteZombie7689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a note, the Strength column notes the rating required to ignore the Check Penalty and reduce the Speed Penalty by 5; Core Pg. 274. There is no restriction on a character wearing armor, outside of meeting prerequisites.
    Also, Infinite Invention means you can wake up each day and completely change all of your class options for free, if you include a day for feats that break because of choices. For free. Daily.

  • @Ghostdesuu
    @Ghostdesuu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I feel like swapping the innovation type can be pretty swell for some characters though it def doesn't make sense for everyone. Feels like something that could be its own subclass or maybe a class feat or something

  • @moox100
    @moox100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite thing about construct companions is you can use them as mounts, so once it gains the ability to fly, you can fly with it :)

  • @Gloomfall
    @Gloomfall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Deadly d12 is so crazy. Especially because it eventually adds up to 3d12 on crits when you have a powerful enough striking rune.

  • @quark12000
    @quark12000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are awesome for getting this out so fast. Great job!

  • @rowanash5378
    @rowanash5378 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your casual call out/reference to Deadly d8. You're both great P2E content creators and I always enjoy y'all's content.

  • @milanmarkovic2721
    @milanmarkovic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:53 Alchemists and Investigators?

    • @andrewwahba5006
      @andrewwahba5006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao I remembered the Investigator, but I forgot the alchemist. Rip 2e alchemist

    • @milanmarkovic2721
      @milanmarkovic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewwahba5006 Why? It is really good class if you know about utility.

  • @zekenkurolyon
    @zekenkurolyon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Probably worth mentioning the backpack ballista is a level 1 martial weapon.

  • @lucbergeron5478
    @lucbergeron5478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can see some really cool battlefield manipulation with the wall configuration and 40ft speed on your construct. Have the construct zip through the crowd of enemies and block their exit or reinforcements with a deployable wall. Could also be used to seal enemies in while you get away, and leaving the construct isn’t a big deal since you can just rebuild it with 24h downtime.

  • @carbonscythe
    @carbonscythe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the level 19 capstone sounds like silly fun, especially if you are a Construct Inventor with a sentient companion. With GMs approval I would say it becomes like any Saturday morning cartoon that has a robot side kick and can change shape depending of necessity (still one shape/day). "Oh, why did you turn me into a hammer today? You will never solve your problems if you treat everything like a nail."

  • @TheEventide
    @TheEventide 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    14:55 Weapon innovation has to be a simple or martial weapon. I don't think you mentioned that, but I might be wrong.

  • @zenvariety9383
    @zenvariety9383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With the construct inventor you could literally have your construct be your assistant. Just imagine a humanoid robot acting as an assistant who hands an inventor tools as they’re creating an item.

  • @anexor3632
    @anexor3632 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was working on some homebrew inventor innovations and I was watching this video to try and get inspiration and I just realized that the construct innovation's wall configuration modification is even *worse* than it initially looks. Not only is it taking a -2 status penatly to AC, it's also flat-footed, which means it has a total of -4 to its AC.

  • @Captainpigraven
    @Captainpigraven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Warning: My post is actually all about the Bard class. But the Inventor class did something the Bard class should have done, so I want to touch on that and then share some changes I made for my table for the Bard class. My hope is these changes can help out other tables.
    In my opinion, giving the Inventor automatic scaling in Crafting is exactly what the Bard should have received with their class, only using Performance instead. Outside of Bard, Swashbuckler and a couple archetypes, it’s next to useless from a resource perspective. It can be a fun flavor skill, but with skills already at a premium for many classes, it’s hard to justify for many players. It also works as an effective skill tax for Bards, who don’t get nearly as many skills to start as one might expect. Worse, because a non-dipping Bard is effectively forced to max out Performance to max their own in-combat effectiveness, it leaves only two other skills available to max. Want to be a Bard that excels in social situations AND add some combat options? You’re left to choose between maxing Diplomacy, Deception, and Intimidation. Want to utilize your likely decent Dex mod while in the field? Be prepared for a dip into the Acrobatic archetype and learn to embrace only one of Diplomacy, Deception, or Intimidation.
    Sorry, I know this is an Inventor focused video, but it totally hit my nerve with what I consider to be the biggest failing of the Bard. I do recognize that overall, it’s a really strong class, but between skills and having to use Intelligence for Bardic Lore-which further shortchanges the Bard in max skills because you have to hit Legendary in Occultism to raise proficiency in Bardic Lore-the Bard takes what I consider an unacceptable hit in flavor.
    Am I alone in this thinking? I’d like to hear what Nonat and anyone else has to say. It’s less that the Bard is weak (it’s not, and arguably one of the most powerful classes). It’s more that one of the original, most fun flavor aspects of the Bard gets sucker-punched.
    As a DM, I’ve made a few changes in my games that have gone over well. From nearly the start, I offered automatic scaling in Performance as part of the main Bard class chassis. This scales at levels 3, 7, and 15, respectively. This allows a more well-rounded Bard. It’s also not offered as part of the Bard Dedication package or any Bard mutilclass feats, so it remains exclusive to the Bard class.
    Second, I allow a Bard that starts with the Enigma muse to use their Charisma modifier instead of Intelligence modifier for any Bardic Lore check. This is only for 1st-level Bards that start with the Enigma muse. If you pick it up via Multifarious Muse or a Bard multiclass feat, you are back to using your Intelligence modifier. This adds some extra incentive to start as an Enigma Bard, whereas most everyone else chooses Maestro.
    The final change I made is to allow Bardic Lore to increase to Expert proficiency when Occultism reaches Master proficiency. And Bardic Lore can increase again to Master proficiency when Occultism hits Legendary proficiency. This goes for any Bard, regardless of what level or how you pick up Bardic Lore. This preserves the advantage for 1st-Level Enigma Bards (whom always use their Charisma modifier) throughout most of the game. But it also allows any other Bard to get some earlier use out of raising their Occultism proficiency, which can often be fun for roleplaying purposes.
    So far every Bard at my table over the last couple years has appreciated these changes. It’s helped to level out the fun of the class, freeing up skill increases to better their character elsewhere. It’s also helped to maintain the fun of the Bard class from editions past, without creating anything to overpowering for actual gameplay purposes. Also, the players now don’t sign up automatically for the Maestro muse anymore. That’s a great muse, but the mechanical benefits in combat tend to outweigh out-of-combat benefits of the non-homebrewed Enigma muse.

  • @ramisthename6193
    @ramisthename6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I want an inventor who is an ice cream maker I don't fully know how but I know the construct companion's gonna be an ice cream cart

  • @jasoncrawford5417
    @jasoncrawford5417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Um, does the explosion add 1d6 PER LEVEL? So not per spell level. That’s pretty sweet.

  • @CromTuise
    @CromTuise 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speaking of Inventor deep-dive, the armour option would be great in my naval campaign for underwater silliness.

  • @clayw1656
    @clayw1656 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a bone to pick with you. I finally got my hard copy of G&G, and I'm now realizing how strong the construct get(read to the end).
    If inventor takes the incredible construct feat at lvl 8, it gets a +6 modifier to str and dex, +5 to con,.......but then I realized that the proficiency to attack and Unarmored defense doesn't increase to expert til paragon at 14...whoops lol

  • @Coyotan
    @Coyotan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lost Omens Ancestry Guide had the hampering trait too- it was on the whip claw for kittyfolk

  • @austinobst8989
    @austinobst8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish there was some more interesting options for weapon modifications like parry or twin

  • @rasleyforde2363
    @rasleyforde2363 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Investigator are the Luigi of Pathfinder

  • @gendriel9750
    @gendriel9750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wall configuration plus explode.

  • @austin80112
    @austin80112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Integrated weapon dueling pistol inventor so you can reload with your weapon hand and still hold a shield.

  • @jakubczeczot8500
    @jakubczeczot8500 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    21:41 Bonus dmg to explosion is EVERY level from 3rd. ("At 3rd level, and EVERY level thereafter,...)
    Not as you mentioned "every odd level".
    Lvl 1 - +2d6
    lvl 2 - +2d6
    lvl3 - +3d6
    lvl4 - +4d6
    lvl 5 - +5d6
    and so on.
    Easy math, exposlion dmg = Your Level x d6 dices :)
    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  • @Lantern_Light
    @Lantern_Light ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok but if you flavor the infinite inventor as mechanically shapeshifting. Like your construct literally opens up and you wear it as power armor. Or some such. It can still be good. I agree with you in regards to the flavor problems

  • @zerocold1924
    @zerocold1924 ปีที่แล้ว

    47:24 "You played with that Inovation! Your baby! Since level 1! Why would you change?!"
    I don't see the issue why I can't have my loyal companion steam-gole-robot-dog baby one day and then wear it like a suit the next.

  • @nothingelsetodoZ
    @nothingelsetodoZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:28 "But, and this is a really big but"
    heh

  • @thecodeanatorgamer
    @thecodeanatorgamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you dont need to meet strength requirment to wear the armor it just means you take the check penalty (which is pretty minimal especially for subterfuge) and the -5 speed with the power suit

  • @erjavier1995
    @erjavier1995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:53 "he is the only intelligence martial class with the mastermind rogue"
    Investigator: Im a joke to you?
    XD

  • @nickdanen4740
    @nickdanen4740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    27:57 Construct Inventor

  • @coldravioli7839
    @coldravioli7839 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Late, but Hampering existed before Guns and Gears. The catfolk weapon 'Whip Claw' has it. It's the only one.

  • @jonday2594
    @jonday2594 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video nonat

  • @Steve0C
    @Steve0C ปีที่แล้ว

    Just stumbled upon this channel looking into pathfinder after WoTC shenanigans. Not bad.

  • @JacksonOwex
    @JacksonOwex 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    BattleZoo Ancestries DRAGONS?! Interesting!

  • @jaredrosa3415
    @jaredrosa3415 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wouldn't turning your construct into a wall and make it explode cover an insane amount of area. It would be a 15 ft emanation from a 30ft long wall.

  • @undraxis
    @undraxis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the Inventor class needs a major revamp or at least new optional feats. I wish there were feats or rules to integrate magic items into the suit for example, or maybe let the suit have some or all of your ability boosts for a small benefit to match the power armor of other genres where the increase is from the suit rather than the pilot. I've brainstormed a few other options but i hate having to dip into wizard or sorc to match the Iron Man/Knight Sabre style inspiration.

  • @daemorootg8693
    @daemorootg8693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a huge deal but Ranged Trip was introduced in the Bestiary with the Aklys. I only know this because my Half Orc Investigator makes use of it regularly :)

    • @daemorootg8693
      @daemorootg8693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      After I typed this I realized that if an Inventor were using an Aklys it would already have ranged trip and "Tether" which is the same as the one that lets you yoink your weapon back to you built in. So modifying it with a couple of other upgrades would be REALLY cool.

  • @UntestedGaming
    @UntestedGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't agree more on Infinite Invention. Would have preferred something along the lines of maybe getting a second innovation that that only gets a basic modification as a 19th level class feature. Or just giving you're starting innovation an additional modification.

  • @rafasiqalv
    @rafasiqalv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nonat, I totally agree with your feelings about the Infinite Invention Class feature. I don't like how you can change your entire subclass in a day, it feels cheap and isn't something that hypes me to get to level 19. "Oh boy, next level I'm going to be able to make all of my choices that led me here unimportant!".
    The closest thing I can compare with it is the Ranger's feat Manifold Edge, and while it let's you change your Hunter's Edge (that can be considered the subclass) your feats still matter, if you're a Monster Hunter specialist, a snare user, dual-wield schortswords etc, you still are.
    I understand that this is because the whole gimmick of Inventor's feats having modifications to their Innovation, but I still didn't like it in the playtest and I don't like in the base class. I want the final feature to enhance the subclass instead of making it less important, and I guess until the point of being able to change feats/modifications daily it is cool. I would prefer a bonus low-level feat or initial modification that could be changed on a 10-minute activity instead of changing your entire character.
    It's also horrible for people who play with a paper character sheet.

  • @Atrianpaul
    @Atrianpaul 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Elf with nimble elf, fleet, hyper buster with multiclass of monk and take ki rush and monk moves ... about 140ft in 1 action and get concelment (for ki rush) and 70 feat

  • @cmeast
    @cmeast 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the idea of an intelligent construct, but I think it should have been a separate feat rather than a modification, and then you could have created intelligent weapons and intelligent armour. People could then recreate Iron Man, or the classic fantasy talking sword.
    Also, I completely agree with you on the 19th level ability. It shouldn't allow you to swap innovations. Your intelligent construct gets dismantled and turned into a hammer, the poor thing.

  • @milanmarkovic2721
    @milanmarkovic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:00 Gir:FINALLY!

  • @yellowpetelol6417
    @yellowpetelol6417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Time stamps would be really appreciated for videos like this

  • @mikebulford7357
    @mikebulford7357 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually hampering already existed on the whip claw catfolk weapon

  • @T0beyeus
    @T0beyeus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am late to the party, I agree the wall seems a little meh, it would have been cool if say it upgraded the turret mode to create a short wall for cover. I did see someone mention it can made a huge origin point for Explosion.
    I agree the 19th level feature does kill the immersion, being able to swap out modifications during daily preparations is cool. Maybe if it instead let you pick a 2nd Invention and with one modification.

  • @natanoj16
    @natanoj16 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my players asked if they could use Electric damage instead of fire in a bunch of the abilities due to a stacian tech focis ^^^

    • @whotheheckcares
      @whotheheckcares 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's a level 1 feat for that

  • @TheNehebkau
    @TheNehebkau 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kinda sad to see there was no upgrade to the constructs manual dexterity modification.

  • @whenlifedoesntgorightgolef7304
    @whenlifedoesntgorightgolef7304 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think something very important that you are missing is one that likelihood of people actually changing is not super high but it is reasonable for a inventor as exactly what their name suggests to invent a new innovation for whatever challenge they are facing additionally you don't change your feets so the character is aren't all the same and third honestly you just seem to not be putting that much faith in players which have to interact with these rules in order for them to operate It's not just happening in a vacuum and everyone plays differently so it's not like they're all just going to become the exact same person as soon as they get this feature what it means is that they finally get extra flexibility to do more things for their party and furthermore some people might have decided to pick one invention at the beginning and not want to play with it anymore and they are fully free to be able to change that.

  • @askaveng7911
    @askaveng7911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    29:55 Sadly, Backstabber does not add damage equal to the number of your weapon damage dice. It only adds 1 damage until your weapon is +3, at which point extra damage goes to 2

  • @NightHauntDragon
    @NightHauntDragon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not bad! 👍

  • @vampiregoat69
    @vampiregoat69 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't fighting a fire elemental be Ice, water or the sort?

  • @tamadesthi156
    @tamadesthi156 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean the wall breaks line of sight AND effect, doesn'T that mean it would stop all kinds of AoE effects? That seems pretty damn powerful to me

  • @shadowclaw7778
    @shadowclaw7778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Personal opinion, have a Beastkin Orc Armor Inventor in our game as the main tank, and oh man are they struggling as the frontline role. I believe besides having 18 int so you have good skills and recalling knowledge, inventors are horrible. A barbarian will have 50% more health, a reliable way to increase damage and a Champion will have way better AC. Why does the Armor Inventor need to use one of their modification to make their Armor, Full Plate, it’s even the Mid-Tier upgrade?. Compared to just taking the Sentinel feat, it seems really unfair. Basically Inventor work only good as damage-dealer strikers, they make really bad front-liners

    • @StretchDattass
      @StretchDattass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      armorer got shafted overall, 7th level for full plate when construct gets large at 1st, and armorer should have gotten a built in range weapon option.

    • @shadowclaw7778
      @shadowclaw7778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StretchDattass Compare the Armor Modifation that makes your Armor Full Plate to the Sentinel Archetype, You get the same AC but move -5ft slower. But you get to choose a Moderate Modification for like Slashing resistance. Piercing resistance is useless since at 11th level you have armor specialization for composite armor, that gives you slashing resistance. Why can’t I get Feats that make me more like Iron Man?, why is Collapsible Armor a fucking feat and not a skill feat

  • @flomat4
    @flomat4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    will we ever see a new 'rating every class in P2E' with all these new additions?

  • @Strix182
    @Strix182 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sorry, so if you had a super cool robot dog companion, you WOULDN'T want it to be able to transform into an awesome suit of armor or a big sword?

  • @DanvsMedius
    @DanvsMedius 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do you need a 16 Strength to use power armor? If it's POWER armor, shouldn't that negate the Strength minimum?

  • @Mokey_MokeyLordofPuns
    @Mokey_MokeyLordofPuns ปีที่แล้ว

    Dog go hammer mode

  • @Gubbykahn
    @Gubbykahn ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned playing an Inventor with a Weapon Innovation wich has a Fatal trait or Deadly trait will make your Class ultra broken. As Armor Innovation you can become almost unkillable if your GM doesnt send 2 Dragons on you playing Ball with your Character xD Only the Construct Innovation is by far the most boring one. Its nice to have but Weapon/Armor Innovation is more fun xD

  • @npaulagain
    @npaulagain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hampering was on a catfolk weapon before G&G I believe.

  • @mistmage
    @mistmage ปีที่แล้ว

    Honstly i thing you wrong.
    Inventor does not have a subclass, but that's the point. Because not everyone needs a subclass if you want to have pet, and have it forever be i don't know, summoner.
    Inventors' 'class identity' is not to be consistent - it is to be everchanging to invent its way from the problems even if it means to sacrifice something 'unimportant'
    and in the end, your armor can look resembling your construct, etc.

  • @brandonwyman9125
    @brandonwyman9125 ปีที่แล้ว

    So could an Automaton make their reinforced chassis body armor, which counts as medium armor, and make that their armor innovation and augment it that way? Between the Automaton racial enhancement feats and the Inventor Innovation feats, that could provide a lot of customization for your Automaton. 😁

  • @tommyz3779
    @tommyz3779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For Disarm, I have a Success knock the weapon/item out of the target's grasp and it falls into their space (single action to pick it up) and on a Critical Success you can choose to knock away into another square or take it yourself (if you have a free hand). The RAW Success is just lame.

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So long as enemies have the same opportunity, I feel like there's no problem with this.
      It would definitely be powerful, but if enemies can do the same thing then it's a balanced mechanic.

    • @tommyz3779
      @tommyz3779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nonat1s Oh, absolutely! Anything the players can do, the enemies can do as well (provided they meet the prereqs, have equipment, yadda yadda)

    • @tommyz3779
      @tommyz3779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nonat1s And with a Success you're just giving a penalty (item out of your grasp) that can be fixed with a single action. For a Crit Success, 2 actions. That's comparable to Trip, Intimidate, etc. as far as I'm aware.

  • @stickss22
    @stickss22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me casually making a sentient construct just to turn it into armor

  • @austinobst8989
    @austinobst8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The weapon innovation really overvalues versatile damage.

  • @milanmarkovic2721
    @milanmarkovic2721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:58 Aka Green Arrow boxing glove arrow.

  • @dmc8706
    @dmc8706 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "This is the only int based martial class unless you count the mastermind rouge."
    The Investigator:
    🤨🤨🤨🤨

  • @clayw1656
    @clayw1656 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two handed heavy rapier....nuff said

  • @xNINJ4xSTE4LTHx
    @xNINJ4xSTE4LTHx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait.. is the alchemist not considered a martial class?

    • @abobbins
      @abobbins 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Alchemist considered a vending machine.
      Caps at expert weapons, like a caster.

    • @nicolasvillasecaali7662
      @nicolasvillasecaali7662 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is more like a support class than a martial, he can enhance itself for it, but i think it have better potential making his party be more awesome while they risk their lifes more than what you need.

  • @andrewg9216
    @andrewg9216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RANGER 101 WHEN #RANGER #NONAT20STILLRANGER101

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      IT'S NOT MY FAULT. PAIZO RELEASED 3 NEW BOOKS IN TWO MONTHS AND NEW CONTENT GETS MORE VIEWS. I NEED TO PAY MY BILLS!!! IT'LL HAPPEN SOMEDAY!

    • @andrewg9216
      @andrewg9216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nonat1s NEXT TIME YOU STREAM IM GONNA THROW 10 BUCKS AT YOU BECAUSE I VALUE YOUR CONTENT #RANGER101 #NONAT1SISAMAZING

  • @mattsullivan2458
    @mattsullivan2458 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video gives nonat a +1 item blonus to diplomacy checks to make an impression.