You are absolutely spot on with your comments. I have been reading the same comments of the GTD’s HP number. There is such a thing as too much HP for a road course. If you can manage the car on the track it leads to less inputs which results in less momentum loss and a smoother lap. Your best lap times often come from doing less work in the driver’s seat.
I’ve been watching your channel for years and you are the few TH-camrs that can say what you’re saying about the track and have validity behind it because we’ve seen you throughout the years grow into this channel and in all the cars that you have raced around many tracks thanks for the lesson brother
Also the Mach 1 was less power and running a little faster lap times than the GT350. Weight and balance plays a huge roll in fast lap times besides having a decent amount of horse power. Great point to bring up because a lot of people are now downing the GTD because of not having huge horse power.
The GTD is going to unbelievable quick around the race track. This is a generational car that will passed down to other family members. Think about a Mustang that is truly track ready from your garage to the race track.
Hi Austin, 815 HP for a track car is almost too much. Only the best track drivers in the world can manage that much power at the edge of every turn, keeping the line, hitting every apex, maintaining peak momentum, breaking at the precise ideal moment in every turn, etc. lap after lap until the race is over! That's going to be even a challenge for you and you're an excellent driver, which is the most important component in any track car! When I attended the OG Rupert Bragg-Smith Advanced School of Driving in Pahrump, NV, the instructors told me they used to borrow one of the student's rental cars to take out on the track with the Corvettes and prove that the driver and his/her skill is more important than the car, but when the student's couldn't shake the rental car from their rear view mirror, they often got disenchanted with Corvettes so the instructors stopped doing it.
That also varies too. 815 HP miata on a track would be way too much. Then again F1 cars don't weigh 2000 pounds and the make a Lil over 1000HP. I believe and what Lil I know is all about what the chassis can take. Gear ratio, R/D
Brother I wish I could catch a ride in your gtd dude and I’m sure everyone does but damn I really can’t wait for you to share the seat time and reviews you will have in store for us.
Your explanation regarding horsepower versus the overall setup was solid. Ford didn't design the Mustang GTD for drag racing. Ford built it through testing with the amount of horsepower that worked the best on-road courses. I understand the GTD will weigh Around 3500 Lbs which is approx. 600 lbs less than the 2022 GT500 and an estimated 500 Lbs less than the C8 ZRl. It's using Multimatic's Areo and Suspension components, and a newly refined 8 speed DCT. It's basically a higher horsepower Mustang GT3. Digging into Ford and Multimatic's handbuilt Mustang GTD. Austin. I believe you're buying an awesome Track focused Mustang that's basically a Mustang GT3. I'm Looking forward to seeing you turning fast laps at tracks like Laguna Seca, VIR or wherever you choose.
"I understand the GTD will weigh Around 3500 Lbs which is approx. 600 lbs less than the 2022 GT500 and an estimated 500 Lbs less than the C8 ZRl." where's this understanding coming from?
Most people don't realize the power to weight ratio in the GTD is actually pretty good. The GTD weighs 3268lb wth 815hp, with a ratio of 0.25. The Porche GT3RS actually weighs the exact same as the GTD at 3268lbs but with 518hp, with a ratio of 0.16. The GTD has 56% better power to weight ratio than the GT3RS. That said, the ZR1 does have a ratio of 0.26 with 4050lbs and 1064hp. The issue is the 4050lbs weight. That is fairly heavy for a track car.
Austin, everything you said won't stop the 0-60, 1/4 mile and HP# crowd. The car is a track car for the street. Hell, my 350 has plenty of power for the street. The only reason someone wants more is due to electronics. Without the aid of TC ABS and stability most people would have a very hard time hustlin a 350 around the mountains. As mentioned a gt3rs can be faster. I find the RS is faster with less electronic help than the 350. Which is right on with the balance argument. Nearly 50/50 with those spool dampers and active aero, is a recipe for greatness. Add in some induction whine and nice rumble now your creating package that has both performance and emotion. To buy a car that doesn't serve as a tool for everyday life it needs to fun. It needs to make me want to just DRIVE. That's why I to will get the GTD. I'll do just what I do with my other non essential cars. Drive it, drive it hard, maintain it well and share as much of the experience with as many as I can. If you end up out east, maybe we will can get 2 GTDs together.
This is a factory race car, Multimatic knows how to make them. Your GTD is going to be insane plus you’re actual going to use it. Can’t wait to see more!
@@DaBoomClap and the carbon fibre body panels and parts, engineering, likely the modified engine and transaxle parts, tuning, testing and hand built assembly. they're at the nurburgring now.
lol people saying that the new c8 zr1 is going to beat the GTD because of top speed and straightaways lmao you people have no clue of what they’re talking about lol the GTD is way lighter and produces more downforce over 2000lbs of down force. the c8zr1 doesn’t stand a chance against the GTD on the nurburgring lol Idk why you goofy people think that horsepower and top speed is everything😂😂😂😂 the GTD will gap that c8 zr1 around those turns so bad the top speed aint gone do nothing lol
Exactly, let's compare this to gran Turismo, as the tracks, cars, and physics in that game are quite realistic. Anyone knows that if you're playing multiplayer on the 'ring, and you have the power advantage, you still need to stay close to the car in front. If they pull out a 10 second gap throughout the lap because they handle a lot better, all the power in the world isn't gonna change that.
Like you were implying, weight of the car and the suspension and the tuning of that suspension, and of the course the driver are critical for a fast lap
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that you're working on a new setup and I think it's awesome that Ford officially announced that GTDs have 850HP and I can't wait to see yours in action and I definitely agree that it could out performance it's competition despite the power disadvantage
Ford built GTD off mustang chassis. Chevy building ZR1 off the C8 chassis much superior than a mustang chassis. Hell even the Camaro Alpha chassis is better than the mustang chassis. But the GTD is a race car so who really knows. Time will tell should be very fun to watch.
@jpolimus Do you understand platforms? No matter how much you modify it, the ZR1 has a much better platform to start with. The GTD may beat a stock ZR1 around a track but if Chevy put any work into for the track it won't be a contest. A brand new, mid-engine platform is inherently superior to the Mustang even with the transaxle to improve distribution.
@@jtc1964x the mustang gt3 has a modified factory chassis too. depends who's modifying it and everything else they do. the gtd has been built as a track weapon, the corvette hasn't. one is a track car that's street legal, the other is a road car that can track.
@@jtc1964xagain the gtd is built by Multimatic. It has very little in common with your run off the mill mustang. The engine is all ford tho. Google is your friend.
Same thoughts in my mind but I know it’s going to rock. We are Now waiting for the options list that we may Or may not be able to share publicly!!? Lol! Carbon Series, Magnesium Rims and Aero packages. What do you think, over $100,000?
I have a 450whp 2018 Mustang GT track car and a 700whp 2013 GT500. My GT kicks the crap out of my GT500 around the road course because it is so much more predictable.
@@nickwinn The 2020+ GT500s are better for many reasons - more power, better cooling, better brakes, and better handling. Also 3 to 4 times more expensive, and track day insurance is really expensive for these beasts. My GT costs $155 an event. The GT500 would be $500. Wowza!
@themidnighttavern6784 Then what was the point of his post...?🤔 The point of Speed Phenom's video is to discuss how big horsepower numbers doesn't always equal faster lap times on the track. Comparing an older a 2013-14 GT500 to a 2018 Mustang GT doesn't illustrate that point, because the S550 has a significant chassis and suspension advantage when it comes to track/road course performance...
The ring is a lower(ish) down force track which should favor the higher horsepower ZR1(825 more hp) plus the ZR1 is mid engine. Yet the GTD active aero which should help it big time in tight corners and it trans axle to give it some balance. My guesstimate... 6 44 ZR1. 6 52 Gtd. I think I'd take the GTD over the ZR1 on tracks like Walkens Glen or Laguna Seca.
Since when has the Nürburgring been a track that favors low downforce cars? Yeah, it's got a few long sections here and there to take advantage of a car's horsepower, but everything else is tight and technical turns that demand good chassis balance and high levels of downforce. Every car that has set an extraordinarily fast lap at the ring has done so with a well-balanced chassis and a huge wing or active aero.
“Balance” of 50/50 is a fictitious statement made up by BMW advertising. Both Ferrari and Porsche purposefully target a near 40/60 weight distribution for maximum grip and balance
@@BEBNC1 I never said that cars have to have a 50/50 weight distribution in order for them to be considered "balanced." I was really just talking about the chassis and how structural rigidity, as well as weight distribution and downforce would have an outsized impact on lap times at the Nürburgring, since the track has far more corners than it does straights.
@@roccotoulon4031 ...which is why having DRS and active-aero is such a big game changer. It means you don't need a silly amount of horsepower to counteract the drag you'll get from high downforce aero, like a big wing, splitter and diffuser.
The price on this car is also NOT because it is a Ford or a Mustang but because it is Multimatic Technology on a street car(as was stated earlier of the GT). I wonder what the Ford GT would be like with the Predator Motor? Maybe this has been done already!?
800 hp is probably the limit of this type of platform. AMG BS GT was under rated based off dynos. Lap times will depends on conditions and track size. Under braking GTD will likely feel very close to a race car. GM did upgrade brakes, is that enough to improve and help increase such performance?
Personally I'll judge the GTD based on how it performs on a road course since that's what it's being made for. I don't care about numbers unless they are lap times. Like you said, a lot of speed can be gained by driver confidence which doesn't show in car specs. I would be very surprised if the GTD isn't amazing since Ford and Multimatic know how to make race cars. I expect it to out perform a C8 ZR1 on any track that isn't super dominated by straights. If it can't and it ends up being 100k more, then I think Ford made a mistake since cars don't exist in isolation or we'd still think cars with 300 hp were amazing.
Cars do exist in isolation due to heavy brand bias. The GTD could get its ass whooped by the ZR1 and GT3 and still be an absolute collector car to due brand bias and loyalty
Spot on. That's why I was laughing at everyone swooning over the ZR1 while making fun of the GTD as if GM just trumped them or something. Just acting like a bunch of fangirls. Congrats, it makes 1k hp and has half the downforce of the GTD. The ZR1 is more in line with the Demon. 2 toally different worlds.
@@elijahprasad7884It doesn't make 1200 lbs of down force until it's literally going it's top speed though. Cars like the GT3 RS for example make way more down force at much lower speeds.
@@BEBNC1 The GT3 RS is advertised as making 1895 lbs of down force at 177 mph. The ZR1 with the ZTK package makes 1200 lbs of down force at 202 mph. 695 lbs more is down force while going 25 mph slower. It's not even close. GT3 RS can do 184 mph.
I think the ZR1 may enforce what you're saying. I wish some of those 1000 hp was going to the front wheels. Don't be surprised if the ZORA shows up with some sort of front wheel 4WD. I bet it does!
making it awd would not only increase the weight, which would slow it down, but create more understeer as well. Awd is not for the track most of the time and you don't want awd car on a track.
Higher horsepower without a experience race car driver that's experienced with high horsepower will be a slower lap time. A professional race car driver and novice or a person that goes to the track as a regular person with not a professional skill in high horsepower is a huge difference. It's like a person going from a honda civic to a dodge viper they won't know how to handle the power. Unless it's a drag race car against a lower hp track car that would be the difference. But a supersnake and a 350gt the supersnake with the proper driver should have a much better time then 350gt. Sometimes people with stingrays, mustang gts, even a zo6 think they know how to handle high power supercars but they don't.
@quentinfreeman7516 it sure can. You don't have to take my word Google it. The guy in the video is a great driver but not a professional with a 1000hp car. I'm sure if he had more track time he would be great as he's a very good driver but not use to the horsepower of a supersnake.
because it's a purpose built track car. when Misha Charoudin had the Camaro ZL1 1LE on the nurburgring the transmission overheated and they had to slow down. rumour has it that all that hp in the zr1 is blowing the electronic differential. there's way more to building a track car than massive horsepower, which can be an unusable hinderance.
What does the GTD weigh? That is the question. If it has 815hp and it is 3,000 pounds it will rock. If it’s another 3,600 pound mustang it’s a total fail.
Before you get too excited, that’s a lot of money to spend on a 5.2 predator motor with a bunch gadgets. Here’s the bigger question, will you give us an honest review of this car once you hit the track? I’ve watched you from the beginning, everyone needs to hear the truth. For example, the Shelby code red! Who is driving it out there at the track? Crickets!
A "bunch of gadgets"? Really? Even allowing for that characterization, it still take a hell of a lot of high level engineering to make all those "gadgets" work in tandem. Remember, The GTD will post post a time on the Nurburgring within the next few weeks. The Multimatic engineer is very confident it beats the AMG record and is even more confident they beat the GT3 RS. If the GTD does that I think that will speak for itself. I am more curious to see reviews of how the GTD performs on the road.
Your 750s and upcoming ZR1 ZTK will beat that mustang on any track with a straight away. It will only be close on short curvy tracks. Though I will give it a distinct sound benefit.
Highly doubtful. The ZR1 will be in the high 6 minute range. There are several very high speed runs on the nurburgring. Take a look at how fast the ZR1 does 20 to 170. The mustang would beat the ZR1 at like Monaco, or similar tracks.
@@bryanmaxwell7234 we should hear the time for both the gtd and c8 zr1 in october, cooler temps. means faster times and the weather is cooling off now at nurburg.
There's an Episode on ICONS Ferrari beat a Cadillac LeMans Prototype (LMP) Ferrari (900+hp) won from Dig, though the LMP with only 600 hp won thru the Roll race. 👨🏻👍🏻🏎🏎🏁🏁🌲🌲⛰⛰
You are absolutely spot on with your comments. I have been reading the same comments of the GTD’s HP number. There is such a thing as too much HP for a road course. If you can manage the car on the track it leads to less inputs which results in less momentum loss and a smoother lap. Your best lap times often come from doing less work in the driver’s seat.
I’ve been watching your channel for years and you are the few TH-camrs that can say what you’re saying about the track and have validity behind it because we’ve seen you throughout the years grow into this channel and in all the cars that you have raced around many tracks thanks for the lesson brother
Love and respect all your videos. Been watching you since the black 2020 gt 500. U are so good at explaining things. Keep it up buddy great job
His GT350R content was fantastic. His Shelby Super Snake stuff was cool too.
Also the Mach 1 was less power and running a little faster lap times than the GT350. Weight and balance plays a huge roll in fast lap times besides having a decent amount of horse power. Great point to bring up because a lot of people are now downing the GTD because of not having huge horse power.
There is absolutely a balance between horsepower and handling
You're spot on.
Great breakdown regarding hp and and handling trait variables.
Lots of HP = good for drag racing
Less/ balanced HP = good for track.
(Along with the proper tuning)
The GTD is going to unbelievable quick around the race track. This is a generational car that will passed down to other family members. Think about a Mustang that is truly track ready from your garage to the race track.
Great video ,keep up the hard work.Thank you.
Hi Austin, 815 HP for a track car is almost too much. Only the best track drivers in the world can manage that much power at the edge of every turn, keeping the line, hitting every apex, maintaining peak momentum, breaking at the precise ideal moment in every turn, etc. lap after lap until the race is over! That's going to be even a challenge for you and you're an excellent driver, which is the most important component in any track car! When I attended the OG Rupert Bragg-Smith Advanced School of Driving in Pahrump, NV, the instructors told me they used to borrow one of the student's rental cars to take out on the track with the Corvettes and prove that the driver and his/her skill is more important than the car, but when the student's couldn't shake the rental car from their rear view mirror, they often got disenchanted with Corvettes so the instructors stopped doing it.
That also varies too. 815 HP miata on a track would be way too much. Then again F1 cars don't weigh 2000 pounds and the make a Lil over 1000HP. I believe and what Lil I know is all about what the chassis can take. Gear ratio, R/D
Brother I wish I could catch a ride in your gtd dude and I’m sure everyone does but damn I really can’t wait for you to share the seat time and reviews you will have in store for us.
I cant wait to see you ripping the GTD on the track. Its gonna be insane.
Your explanation regarding horsepower versus the overall setup was solid. Ford didn't design the Mustang GTD for drag racing. Ford built it through testing with the amount of horsepower that worked the best on-road courses. I understand the GTD will weigh Around 3500 Lbs which is approx. 600 lbs less than the 2022 GT500 and an estimated 500 Lbs less than the C8 ZRl. It's using Multimatic's Areo and Suspension components, and a newly refined 8 speed DCT. It's basically a higher horsepower Mustang GT3. Digging into Ford and Multimatic's handbuilt Mustang GTD. Austin. I believe you're buying an awesome Track focused Mustang that's basically a Mustang GT3. I'm Looking forward to seeing you turning fast laps at tracks like Laguna Seca, VIR or wherever you choose.
"I understand the GTD will weigh Around 3500 Lbs which is approx. 600 lbs less than the 2022 GT500 and an estimated 500 Lbs less than the C8 ZRl."
where's this understanding coming from?
Austin, you rock! Can't wait for you to get it. Peace
Gt500 cftp about to skyrocket if the gtd breaks records.
Fantastic! 815 is more than enough for a track car! 662 in my 13 shelby gt500 is plenty!
Most people don't realize the power to weight ratio in the GTD is actually pretty good. The GTD weighs 3268lb wth 815hp, with a ratio of 0.25. The Porche GT3RS actually weighs the exact same as the GTD at 3268lbs but with 518hp, with a ratio of 0.16. The GTD has 56% better power to weight ratio than the GT3RS. That said, the ZR1 does have a ratio of 0.26 with 4050lbs and 1064hp. The issue is the 4050lbs weight. That is fairly heavy for a track car.
Outstanding primer on performance driving! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
Austin, everything you said won't stop the 0-60, 1/4 mile and HP# crowd. The car is a track car for the street. Hell, my 350 has plenty of power for the street. The only reason someone wants more is due to electronics. Without the aid of TC ABS and stability most people would have a very hard time hustlin a 350 around the mountains.
As mentioned a gt3rs can be faster. I find the RS is faster with less electronic help than the 350. Which is right on with the balance argument. Nearly 50/50 with those spool dampers and active aero, is a recipe for greatness. Add in some induction whine and nice rumble now your creating package that has both performance and emotion.
To buy a car that doesn't serve as a tool for everyday life it needs to fun. It needs to make me want to just DRIVE. That's why I to will get the GTD. I'll do just what I do with my other non essential cars. Drive it, drive it hard, maintain it well and share as much of the experience with as many as I can.
If you end up out east, maybe we will can get 2 GTDs together.
The predator engine is able to be pushed to 1300bhp pretty easy. So if you want it it’s there. Just saying.
You can get 1300hp out of a b58 pretty easy😂
@@hpickettz34not reliably buddy😂
@Silent_Q50 oops I meant 1500hp, I see alot of b58's over 1000hp
Great listening to your thoughts abt all these new horsepower cars coming out... also looking forward to what's coming next!!
This is a factory race car, Multimatic knows how to make them. Your GTD is going to be insane plus you’re actual going to use it. Can’t wait to see more!
the only thing multimatic provided was the suspension system, a tubular subframe and the DRS system/ aero the motor and the rest is all ford
@@DaBoomClap and the carbon fibre body panels and parts, engineering, likely the modified engine and transaxle parts, tuning, testing and hand built assembly. they're at the nurburgring now.
@@DaBoomClap ford definitely provided the factory chassis, engine block, aluminum doors and any plastic interior parts.
What a special car. Automotive history.
The Ford GT has less hp and look how good it did
Right, and the GTD is gonna be about 200 lbs. The extra power balances it out.
@@justincharles6585try about +600lbs more. You can book that
lol people saying that the new c8 zr1 is going to beat the GTD because of top speed and straightaways lmao you people have no clue of what they’re talking about lol the GTD is way lighter and produces more downforce over 2000lbs of down force. the c8zr1 doesn’t stand a chance against the GTD on the nurburgring lol
Idk why you goofy people think that horsepower and top speed is everything😂😂😂😂 the GTD will gap that c8 zr1 around those turns so bad the top speed aint gone do nothing lol
Dream on. ZR1 will be way better.
@bob-qi4nr Brother you are the one dreaming for the ZR1 to be better, that is delusion at its finest.
Exactly, let's compare this to gran Turismo, as the tracks, cars, and physics in that game are quite realistic. Anyone knows that if you're playing multiplayer on the 'ring, and you have the power advantage, you still need to stay close to the car in front. If they pull out a 10 second gap throughout the lap because they handle a lot better, all the power in the world isn't gonna change that.
Like you were implying, weight of the car and the suspension and the tuning of that suspension, and of the course the driver are critical for a fast lap
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that you're working on a new setup and I think it's awesome that Ford officially announced that GTDs have 850HP and I can't wait to see yours in action and I definitely agree that it could out performance it's competition despite the power disadvantage
Ford built GTD off mustang chassis. Chevy building ZR1 off the C8 chassis much superior than a mustang chassis. Hell even the Camaro Alpha chassis is better than the mustang chassis. But the GTD is a race car so who really knows. Time will tell should be very fun to watch.
Any ZR-1 set up for a road course will crush this car
The GTD is built by Multimatick u know the folks that built the ford GT. Very different from your run off the mill mustangs
@jpolimus Do you understand platforms? No matter how much you modify it, the ZR1 has a much better platform to start with. The GTD may beat a stock ZR1 around a track but if Chevy put any work into for the track it won't be a contest. A brand new, mid-engine platform is inherently superior to the Mustang even with the transaxle to improve distribution.
@@jtc1964x the mustang gt3 has a modified factory chassis too. depends who's modifying it and everything else they do. the gtd has been built as a track weapon, the corvette hasn't. one is a track car that's street legal, the other is a road car that can track.
@@jtc1964xagain the gtd is built by Multimatic. It has very little in common with your run off the mill mustang. The engine is all ford tho. Google is your friend.
That hat is pretty sweet too!
Same thoughts in my mind but I know it’s going to rock. We are
Now waiting for the options list that we may
Or may not be able to share publicly!!? Lol! Carbon Series, Magnesium Rims and Aero packages. What do you think, over $100,000?
I have a 450whp 2018 Mustang GT track car and a 700whp 2013 GT500. My GT kicks the crap out of my GT500 around the road course because it is so much more predictable.
The last gen gt500 is more predictable
That's because the older 2013-14 GT500s have the older S197 chassis and a solid rear axle which hurts it on a road course. Not just about hp/tq...
@@nickwinn The 2020+ GT500s are better for many reasons - more power, better cooling, better brakes, and better handling. Also 3 to 4 times more expensive, and track day insurance is really expensive for these beasts. My GT costs $155 an event. The GT500 would be $500. Wowza!
@@chrism.728I'm pretty sure he knows that seeing as he owns and tracks the car lol.
@themidnighttavern6784 Then what was the point of his post...?🤔 The point of Speed Phenom's video is to discuss how big horsepower numbers doesn't always equal faster lap times on the track. Comparing an older a 2013-14 GT500 to a 2018 Mustang GT doesn't illustrate that point, because the S550 has a significant chassis and suspension advantage when it comes to track/road course performance...
The ring is a lower(ish) down force track which should favor the higher horsepower ZR1(825 more hp) plus the ZR1 is mid engine. Yet the GTD active aero which should help it big time in tight corners and it trans axle to give it some balance. My guesstimate... 6 44 ZR1. 6 52 Gtd. I think I'd take the GTD over the ZR1 on tracks like Walkens Glen or Laguna Seca.
Since when has the Nürburgring been a track that favors low downforce cars? Yeah, it's got a few long sections here and there to take advantage of a car's horsepower, but everything else is tight and technical turns that demand good chassis balance and high levels of downforce. Every car that has set an extraordinarily fast lap at the ring has done so with a well-balanced chassis and a huge wing or active aero.
“Balance” of 50/50 is a fictitious statement made up by BMW advertising. Both Ferrari and Porsche purposefully target a near 40/60 weight distribution for maximum grip and balance
@@BEBNC1
I never said that cars have to have a 50/50 weight distribution in order for them to be considered "balanced." I was really just talking about the chassis and how structural rigidity, as well as weight distribution and downforce would have an outsized impact on lap times at the Nürburgring, since the track has far more corners than it does straights.
@CaseyCollier obviously the 179 corner, 12.9 mile track will have high down force corners but the majority of the course is moderate to low down force
@@roccotoulon4031
...which is why having DRS and active-aero is such a big game changer. It means you don't need a silly amount of horsepower to counteract the drag you'll get from high downforce aero, like a big wing, splitter and diffuser.
They should hire you to do a promo demo of that cool machine
EXACTLY!!!
GT 500 to me is THE perfect car and will always be part of my stable!
This needs to go viral
The price on this car is also NOT because it is a Ford or a Mustang but because it is Multimatic Technology on a street car(as was stated earlier of the GT). I wonder what the Ford GT would be like with the Predator Motor? Maybe this has been done already!?
800 hp is probably the limit of this type of platform. AMG BS GT was under rated based off dynos. Lap times will depends on conditions and track size. Under braking GTD will likely feel very close to a race car. GM did upgrade brakes, is that enough to improve and help increase such performance?
The problem is they should have done more with the car for the money.
Did they release the weight? That's key
About 3300 lbs. Still the S650 chasis
@@skylerhickman3646 that's the weight of the stripped out gt3 race car, no way the gtd is 3300 lbs. - add about 5-600 lbs. and you might be close.
@@blackberrythorns gt3 racecar is 2750 lbs, so you're quite off.
@@blackberrythorns Considering the Gt3 car weighs in at 2821, Your math said to add 500 lbs or so, and that equates to 3321, I dont see an issue here
@@blackberrythornsThe GT3 car is 2,900 lbs according to the spec sheet. I'm betting low to mid 3s.
So how much does the GTD weigh?
Horsepower almost always wins on a strip. IF you have stick. No traction, no win.
Personally I'll judge the GTD based on how it performs on a road course since that's what it's being made for. I don't care about numbers unless they are lap times. Like you said, a lot of speed can be gained by driver confidence which doesn't show in car specs. I would be very surprised if the GTD isn't amazing since Ford and Multimatic know how to make race cars. I expect it to out perform a C8 ZR1 on any track that isn't super dominated by straights. If it can't and it ends up being 100k more, then I think Ford made a mistake since cars don't exist in isolation or we'd still think cars with 300 hp were amazing.
6:42 around the ring would be exceptional, 6:45 would be ok imo.
Cars do exist in isolation due to heavy brand bias. The GTD could get its ass whooped by the ZR1 and GT3 and still be an absolute collector car to due brand bias and loyalty
@@blackberrythornsEven a 6:55 wouldn't be bad.
@@themidnighttavern6784 that would be a bit of a disappointment given what they're shooting for.
@@blackberrythorns Even if it was a 20 minute lap time it would be incredible.
This makes some sense but shouldn't the higher horsepower car slowly eek out a lead over the length of a race - all things otherwise being equal.
Spot on. That's why I was laughing at everyone swooning over the ZR1 while making fun of the GTD as if GM just trumped them or something. Just acting like a bunch of fangirls. Congrats, it makes 1k hp and has half the downforce of the GTD. The ZR1 is more in line with the Demon. 2 toally different worlds.
ZR1 has 1200 lbs of downforce, so it's not half.
@@elijahprasad7884It doesn't make 1200 lbs of down force until it's literally going it's top speed though. Cars like the GT3 RS for example make way more down force at much lower speeds.
@@quentinfreeman7516 bullshit. The GT3 RS’ downforce is advertised at its v max.
@@BEBNC1 The GT3 RS is advertised as making 1895 lbs of down force at 177 mph. The ZR1 with the ZTK package makes 1200 lbs of down force at 202 mph. 695 lbs more is down force while going 25 mph slower. It's not even close. GT3 RS can do 184 mph.
Did they ever post times for Nuremberg ??
I think the ZR1 may enforce what you're saying. I wish some of those 1000 hp was going to the front wheels. Don't be surprised if the ZORA shows up with some sort of front wheel 4WD. I bet it does!
AWD Zora is being tested at the Nuremberg already
@@derekbujold9020 there's a video of it being tested that just was posted today, it looks like they have some work to do. really rough.
making it awd would not only increase the weight, which would slow it down, but create more understeer as well. Awd is not for the track most of the time and you don't want awd car on a track.
@@maximborodyuk3773 most Vette owners don't track their cars so not sure what the point was
@@derekbujold9020 the entire point of this video is talking about cars on road course tracks and that's what the gtd is made for.
992 gt3 RS is actually faster around the ring than the stock gt2 rs (non mathey) using the new metrics since they updated the track a few years ago.
So it will get smoked on the drag strip but if it can keep up with a GT2RS on the track I think we’d be satisfied
I don't care how much power it has. How much does it weigh?
Not enough HP for the money they are asking. I bet an E-Ray will smoke it because of balance as you say and for 1/3 of the price.
DSSV Suspension…nuff said!
What is the weight of the car? I still haven't heard anybody mention the weight
They still haven't released it
Higher horsepower without a experience race car driver that's experienced with high horsepower will be a slower lap time. A professional race car driver and novice or a person that goes to the track as a regular person with not a professional skill in high horsepower is a huge difference. It's like a person going from a honda civic to a dodge viper they won't know how to handle the power. Unless it's a drag race car against a lower hp track car that would be the difference. But a supersnake and a 350gt the supersnake with the proper driver should have a much better time then 350gt. Sometimes people with stingrays, mustang gts, even a zo6 think they know how to handle high power supercars but they don't.
A super snake could never beat a GT350 R around at track even in the hands of pro drivers. It just isn't built for that.
@quentinfreeman7516 it sure can. You don't have to take my word Google it. The guy in the video is a great driver but not a professional with a 1000hp car. I'm sure if he had more track time he would be great as he's a very good driver but not use to the horsepower of a supersnake.
Willing to bet the ZR1 and or Zora will still be faster without all that carbon fiber body and race technology stuff in it.
I hope we get a match up
so if it wasn't a gtd they'd be faster. that's quite the logic.
How?
@@quentinfreeman7516 if it was a base mustang gt the corvette would be faster... or something.
Nice Camaro 🎉
Why would anyone choose this over the new ZR-1?
because it's a purpose built track car. when Misha Charoudin had the Camaro ZL1 1LE on the nurburgring the transmission overheated and they had to slow down. rumour has it that all that hp in the zr1 is blowing the electronic differential. there's way more to building a track car than massive horsepower, which can be an unusable hinderance.
All you have to say is try dodge and then try others and thats all lmao. Im a challenger owner but i know im not winning no lap race ever
I can go buy the 2024 Hennessey Darkhorse for half the price of the GTD & the same horsepower for $150,000 from Hennessey Performance
apples and oranges. have fun driving in a straight line.
This is definitely a different car . Only the name is same
@@bcelectricc just saying I'd save a few dollars buying the Hennessey Darkhorse with the same horsepower
@@charlesallen9483 did you watch this video? it's not all about the horsepower.
@@blackberrythorns watched the entire video & I'd still buy the Hennessey Darkhorse
BROOOOO’s….there is NO WAY you can’t just go buy a dark horse and spec it out like the GTD for half the money…noooo way👎
What does the GTD weigh? That is the question. If it has 815hp and it is 3,000 pounds it will rock. If it’s another 3,600 pound mustang it’s a total fail.
Before you get too excited, that’s a lot of money to spend on a 5.2 predator motor with a bunch gadgets. Here’s the bigger question, will you give us an honest review of this car once you hit the track? I’ve watched you from the beginning, everyone needs to hear the truth. For example, the Shelby code red! Who is driving it out there at the track? Crickets!
the code red is a drag car, the gtd is a road course track weapon.
A "bunch of gadgets"? Really? Even allowing for that characterization, it still take a hell of a lot of high level engineering to make all those "gadgets" work in tandem.
Remember, The GTD will post post a time on the Nurburgring within the next few weeks. The Multimatic engineer is very confident it beats the AMG record and is even more confident they beat the GT3 RS. If the GTD does that I think that will speak for itself.
I am more curious to see reviews of how the GTD performs on the road.
Your 750s and upcoming ZR1 ZTK will beat that mustang on any track with a straight away. It will only be close on short curvy tracks. Though I will give it a distinct sound benefit.
I'm willing to bet that the gtd will absolutely beat the zr1 on nurburgring
Highly doubtful. The ZR1 will be in the high 6 minute range. There are several very high speed runs on the nurburgring. Take a look at how fast the ZR1 does 20 to 170. The mustang would beat the ZR1 at like Monaco, or similar tracks.
@bryanmaxwell7234 the gtd has been confirmed by the engineers to be in the mid 6s though, coming close to the black series
I guess will see when all the official numbers are released and Austin goes around Laguna Seca in it. Pretty sure he won't beat his 750 time.
@@bryanmaxwell7234 we should hear the time for both the gtd and c8 zr1 in october, cooler temps. means faster times and the weather is cooling off now at nurburg.
time shall teLL ~ it better hook Up 🙄🙄 >> C8 Z07
There's an Episode on ICONS Ferrari beat a Cadillac LeMans Prototype (LMP) Ferrari (900+hp) won from Dig, though the LMP with only 600 hp won thru the Roll race. 👨🏻👍🏻🏎🏎🏁🏁🌲🌲⛰⛰