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How does adding weight actually affect performance?
Well today we’re going to find out using Mat’s daily, the Porsche 911 Turbo S. We’ve lined up a number of tests to find out what effect adding weight has on the car.
We’re going to launch the car from 0-60mph and over the 1 /4 mile, do a brake test, a slalom and measure the car's economy. We’ll be testing with just a driver, with a single passenger, with three passengers and with three passengers with 150kg of weight in the boot!
How do you think the added load will impact the Porsche? Stick with us to find out for yourself!
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One interesting test would have been to have just the two people adding 158 kg in the back seats on one run and another run with no one in the back seats but 150 kgs of ballast in the front trunk to see how the position of the extra weight affects the car
They do have friends and families that they gotta get back home to, you know😅
I think with more weight in the back seat and no one in the front passenger seat, the 0-60 will be quicker than with only the driver
I think the conclusion would be what you think it would be. adding weight to rear will improve 0-60 slightly and adding 150kg to the front only will hurt 0-60 slighlty. but adding weight anywhere will hurt the quarter mile time either way
@@justinbocchino5141 yes we do have a general and probably fairly accurate idea of how things would go but we'd be able to quantify that gap
@@justinbocchino5141 i dont think adding weight will improve the speed since the turbo s dont really need any weight to grip better
This car's legacy gonna stay for decades what a fine piece of engineering 👌
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and in decades you still won't be able to afford it, fanboy 😅
@@mmmdawe Mateusz W, i belive adding weight only lose 7bhp to the 911 TURBO S. The 911 Turbo S has 591PP. With adding weight, it brought down to 590.
@@mmmdawe nah it will definitely become cheaper in a few years
Best lanching car of the early 2020s...
I’m shocked at how little effect that extra weight has on the Turbo S, 150kg is roughly 330lbs(!) which is sure to change the weight balance significantly as is adding rear 2 passengers. What an amazing car 👍🏻
The test lack the urban cycle test, aka, stop go for at least 7 minutes and freeway cruise for another 7 minutes... This will be a better representation for fuel consumption.
@@thabzmad7265 adding weight only deducts 1 PP to the 911 TURBO S.
It's only a 9% increase in weight.
Wow, thanks for doing the conversion! 🙄🤦♂️
I'm more shocked that adding passengers makes the 0-60 quicker even though the car is AWD...the only explanation I can see is the AWD system is not properly tuned and doesn't know how to take advantage of the front grip as well as the rear grip. more weight cant improve acceleration unless it's more weight on driven wheels. let's say on a RWD , you add 10% of the total weight, but in the back m, resulting in 15% more weight on the rear wheels m, 15% more grip/wheel torque actually transfered to the road. but if AWD is properly implemented, AWD should always be quicker with less weight. I don't know how the torque is actually split, I've read that the torque split is continuously adjusted but even weirder, I'd expect the launch control to be more optimized for 2 people than 4. how often are you likely to drive your turbo S with 4 adults inside, and use launch control?? good thing is that it means there are still small improvements/performance gains to be made on the next gen. otherwise it's getting so close to perfect supercar+daily driver. it feels like hybridization/electrification will come at a good time when they have almost exhausted what they can do with the traditional design gas 911. pdk is already close to as good as it gets. straight line performance is insane. how far can you go with wheel size before it stops looking like a 911 or even a sports car
I would have loved to see a lightweight non hybrid 911 with a boxer free valve engine. of you put 2 Koenigsegg TFG 2l inline 3 together, you have a stock 4l flat 6 1200hp engine, up to 1200Nm from 2000rpm or a even 600hp NA GT3 RS with turbos they could still donwsize to 3.0l ...and also WAY better mileage/emissions
I’m shocked about 7l/100km.
Incredible for a super car.
The car seems to stood the test of everything.
it's just wrong. it gets 33.5 imperial mpg which is 8.5L/100km.
their conversion is with US gallons
It’s not a supercar
@@JStryker7 it just is
@@JStryker7 it smokes 90% of real supercars on all aspects, so it's definitely a supercar.
Quite impressed by the fuel economy in motorway. Never thought that a car of that kind of performance was capable of less than 25
Gets better economy than my Lexus that has less than half the power, truly impressive
@@talltrini10 Keep in mind that resetting the MPG tracker while moving at freeway speeds is considered "cheating". I do it all the time for the short term satisfaction in my RC after filling up, and it will inevitably settle down to around 20-22
@@talltrini10 fuel economy isn't based on power its based on wind resistance, rolling resistance and weight in stop-start traffic
This video just confirmed what we already knew - it’s an awesome piece of engineering and performs well above its already exceptional spec sheet.
33.7 mpg imperial is 8.38 l/100km. Still very impressive for such powerful car but a little more than 6.98.
Yes. For some reason they converted using US MPG instead of imperial MPG. Maybe Porsche uses that? Didn't notice any mention of it but meh.
i like how none of those is helpful to me. what's that in km/l? i guess around 12 which is bonkers since my car only does like 9 @ 120kph
@@GraveUypo it's 8.5l/100km.
@@GraveUypo Why do you use km/l? I'm curious
@@anonym3017 such a shame. My car gets 4 l /100 km.
a very good video for education purposes, now do the same test with a 2.0 hot hatch and lets see the major differences in performance in tests when you don't have a big power plant under the bonnet
Check out the same test done on the Dacia Jogger 1.0
@@thabihotboy9376 yep. I already saw it. Hope carwow also uploaded the one with Nissan R33GT-R.
*under the boot
Yes, the 911 has a ton of power and inherently great weight distribution for acceleration, but also and a very powerful and well-tuned active suspension system
These weight comparison videos have been epic! Can't wait to see more like this, especially when changing more trivial-ish factors like tyres and drag! Keep it up Mat and team :)
Tires are the single biggest difference you can make to any cars performance, certainly not trivial
Would be interesting to see the same tests, but what's happening when you change tires pressure, i.e. from 1.8 Bar to 2.8 Bar every 0.2 Bar or something similar and see how that affects 0-60, 60-0, fuel economy, etc.
@@povilasrikteris what about increasing the downforce on both sides?
@@Onewheelordeal increasing downforce by 4 percent on both sides may do the trick.
Anyone else fells a spark of happiness when mat uploads a new video 😉?
This information can be used in future drag races when the 911 goes against heavier cars
that fuel economy on the motorway is absolutely insane!!!
That fuel economy is wrong. Matt used conversion from US mpg, not imperial. Correct amount would be 8.38 l/100. Still very impressive for such powerful car.
@@oskarskalski2982as you said still good fuel economy. From a 650hp car !!!!!
Imperial gallon UK = 4.546 L. US gallon = 3.785 L
@@MrCosmin94 👍👍👍
@@JonBecker81 Japanese Galloon: 5555L?
Another reason why 911 is an amazing sportscar.
What this test/review did is make me fall in love more with the 911 Turbo S
I love these scientific weight vs speed videos! Mat make more videos like this one with more cars and SUVs!
Is there anything you don't love about these videos!?!!!
If Mat was having a shit would you love that?
scientific? 🤣
It's far from scientific. Way too many uncontrolled variables and not enough trials. Still an entertaining video though.
4 adults and 150 kilos of ballast! The 992 Turbo S is a proper beast. To think that its performance is not phased by so much extra weight is just insane.
This is a great video! Would love to see the differences on a small, economy car as well. I have a Kia Picanto (Australia) and I know the difference with a extra 100kg on board is huge!
there is another video with a cheap underpowered three row Dacia with up to 7 passengers.
Trap speeds at the quarter mile would've been a good indicator of performance degradation with the added weight
As a big Mercedes fanboy, I must say, apart from Mercedes cars, this one is my favorite. It's just perfect in so many ways. Beautiful, fast, elegant, sleek, eye catching, just everything. Pure perfection
Please do more of these videos, they make a huge difference in addition to your car reviews.
What a car this 911 Turbo S, and a practical one too.👍
Practical but expensive. $300,000 Plus in the US right now.
@@georgespalding7640 6+ months wanting period!!
@@georgespalding7640 2023 may reach $500000.
@@rohitbishoyi1095 more like 17.
@@rohitbishoyi1095 I don't think you can even order one now. Porsche is sending just so many to each dealership and when they're just about to get to the dealership they go up for bids. There are NO new 911 Turbos at any dealership in California on display. I did a search the other day and could not find one dealership with one on the floor. It just said here's two that's on the way and dealer will set the price.
What an extraordinary car. Would be interested to see the same experiment with a cheap 100hp hatch
I had a 180 bhp glanza v years ago. With 5 in it a 2 litre diesel would pull on you!
I never expected click bait from this channel but that title is the definition of click bait. It wouldn’t be as bad if the thumbnail didn’t say “ruined” which implying he modified the car in a way that purists would label it as ruined. Doing some weight tests on the car doesn’t qualify as ruined or even remotely relate to the title.
There's a question mark like a lot of their videos
I would love for this to turn into a series.
Nice to see a supercar is being put to the test as well, really enjoyed the Dacia test previously!
What about a test on R390GT1?
The passenger's face in the back left is hilarious... 😂😂😂 like what am I doing here??
Oh oooooooo ohhh 😎🤣😆😂😂 he is embarresd Coz he was thinking of how can I fit in this small car😎🤣🤣🔫✅
@Eight8 strong as 5 kg with harsd skin
Just make sure you take a dump before going on track next time 🙂
You old smoothie you…
I could hear the Clarkson voice inside my brain: MORE POWEERERRR😂
This just shows us just how immaculate Porsche is with their engineering ~~ This car is not affected at all when you do all of this and still has effective performance and fuel economy.
Porsche is just that good . Stuttgart ❤️
I cant concentrate in what you say Matt with the faces from those NPCs lmao
RIP QUEEN ELIZABETH II
Those passengers are like gta npc's they have no soul. They had 0 reaction throughout the video 😂
I think all of this is a testament to how awesome the car really is. I would bet doing these same tests to a lesser vehicle would yield severely diminishing results.
I was gonna say this test only works for a porsche, especially the braking side of things😂
I just can't get over how astonishingly capable this car is.
man the 911 its such a technological marvel, it perfectly blends the lines between a mind boggingly quick supercar with a gt daily driver
and this technological marvel has broken rear lights 0:37
@@ilyakhlybov6446 Broken? they work just fine lmao
@@ilyakhlybov6446 I think youre talking about the split light in the rear light bar? Thats not broken, thats just split in the middle because of UK car regulations.
@@diggernick8628 the spot in the middle isn't bright
@@diggernick8628 damn
I'm blown away at the mpg cruising! I have the 3.0T Diesel Cayenne and I can manage about 38mpg cruising like that but it's nowhere near the level of a Turbo S! Wow! The Turbo S is truly a daily driver supercar.
how are you getting better fuel economy in a Cayenne, what speed were you going at?
Thanks for listening to my slalom suggestion!! ❤️
good video, it would be nice to add the temperature of the breaks before and after breaking so that the comparison is even more accurate 👍
Brakes goddammit
Need more tests like this
Keep up with great work Matt...for some of us it's crazy out here for me....things are just not working out. This is the last year for me on Carwow, social media, etc love & light Matt and Carwow team I've also been praying for ages but nothing is working out for me....see you on the other side people!
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Hang in there mate
@@yuckf0094 Its crazy bro, really dead ass crazy and it's been for ages...at least if I'm getting glimpses of great things for I to believe the is good for me in earth...and I love , respect people I don't do bad towards them but I always get crushed. God is quiet!
Huh?
I asked for this test with a high performance car in the previous video comment section and you delivered, thanks!
Would be interesting to see the same tests, but what's happening when you change tires pressure, i.e. from 1.8 Bar to 2.8 Bar every 0.2 Bar or something similar and see how that affects 0-60, 60-0, fuel economy, etc.
Yep. Add also on both downforces by 6 percent.
When i was a kid, i was racing in karts professionaly and it was clear that when puberty kicked in, all the giants kids (including me) had to stop because there was no chance to win competitions when you weigh 20 KG more than another driver who drives as good as you on this level. At the age of 15, i started to race cars at slalom races with a Opel Corsa. The Car was built up and weight was around 1000KG + driver and it had 100hp. You might think now: Well it doesn't make a difference. Let me tell you something: When we were in training for races on the slalom courses and we had a beginner girl (~ 50KG) as a passenger to show her how to drive fast, the times dropped consistantly around !!!!!HALF A SECOND!!!!! (times were always around 50 seconds on those 1km slalom tracks).
So even there it was quiet hard to keep up, if you are really tall or really fat.
We all know that the Porsche 911 Turbo S is a legendary sports car with a cool looking design and ultimate performance! But it's not a legendary truck with lots of torque!
Good old Millbrook, I knew the test drivers of years ago used to take their hands off the wheel in the bowl to do paperwork. Funny how they used to cover crashes up and we repaired them
I love the Porsche 911 Turbo S! The Porsche 911 Turbo S have a cool and sporty looking design with absolutely insane performance from that insane 3.83.8-litre twin-turbo flat-six engine! The Porsche 911 Turbo S is one of my ultimate dream car!
Porsche 911 Turbos is the best all-round super sports car out there. One of the 'cheapest', one of the most reliable, and most everyday usable sports cars. Also at the absolute top in acceleration .
Mat can you drag race a Tesla Model S Plaid against a Lucid Air with The Stig?
Finally! A slalom on Carwow!
Love your work Matt,keep up the good work!
Please do more videos like these :D
JFC this car just impresses time after time. If reliability holds, dare I say this is the greatest production car ever? This is coming from a major BMW fanboi! Hats of to Porsche on this masterpiece. Just blown away.....again.
Keep up with your great videos
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Do a video showing the effect of heavier or lighter ROTATING MASS. Meaning the effect of heavier or lighter road wheels. Also bigger or smaller brake discs.
The 0-60 times would be interesting.
Rotating mass makes a bigger difference than people realise/expect.
Old is gold E46 style ❤️🐐
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They should add two big chambers in the front and back, which are connected by a hydraulic system. If you accelerate, the weights are distributed to the back, if you break, they are distributed to the front 😝
Very interesting. 911 HUL (factory supplied vehicle/press car) was a consistent 10.1 second car. Suddenly we are seeing times consistently north of 10.4 on Matt's personal car. What happened to the 2.1 second 0-60 thats repeatable over and over again. The surface seemed pretty dry to me so no excuse there.
he have older modle
There’s more to it than surface conditions. How about air temp, how much fuel was in the car? Is Matts car a different spec with extras that weigh a bit more…. So many variables, but the difference is only a blink of an eye.
BTW, it had never done 2.1,the fastest time it did to 100 was 2.5
And the reason for the decrease is probably the fact that it's a press car and it has undergone some tough use before it was handed to Matt and also the tires are probably used a lot. So you can understand why it is slower.
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This is his personal car
Extra weight in the back increases grip: this is why when driving my Jaaaaag XKR I like to keep a lot of heavy things in the trunk. Oil paintings, gold bullion, shotguns, marble statues, priceless artifacts, the koh I noor diamond etc
Great job
First I love Porsche! And Matt and Carwow videos.
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Porsche and LoveLive fan here.
Make video on car maintenance and tips for high fuel efficiency for old cars and modern cars.
Very informative test. I would like to see this test done with an Electric car like a Tesla Model 3. However, you should change the weight of the wheels 🛞 too. Since the EV doesn’t have a flywheel changing the rotational inertia affects it considerably. Also at higher speeds the single speed transmission limits the power of the motors. Adding or removing weight would affect high speed performance greatly.
What about a test on power limiter? Might be interesting if 911 has a 50 percent power limit.
I love this kind of tests, should be a feature
"Only people who didn't come from Instagram and TikTok are worthy of liking this.."
Tik Tok is literally cancer. The Chinese government created it. In china it’s all educational videos and you can access it after 10pm. The rest of the world it’s created to dumb the world down with utter crap. Very clever from china
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@@vojinvujadinovic4184 why?
The two people in the back help with the weight on the rear.
Let's w a moment to appreciate how much effort he puts into his contact to entertain., ♥️☺️
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He he he he!!
I love these new type of test 😍
Perfect! Now do the same with Skoda Octavia TDi vs petrol
I didn't expect the mpg to change much because your speed was constant. Fuel economy is affected by weight when speeding up. There's more mass to accelerate which requires more energy than accelerating a lighter car.
These cars are equipped with alot of things we are not told like altimeters and load sensors which adjust the power output without telling you. So performance is determined but more than just a sticky track.
You have to mention the adaptive suspension and active anti-roll. Most cars, even sporty or performance ones, do not have Porsche 911 Turbo levels of active suspension.
MY OLD VW PASSAT ESTATE 1.9 TDI 130 BHP B5.5 ( 2003 ) JUST AMAZING WITH THE 508LTR ROOF BOX FULLY LOADED, PLUS THE TRAILER, PLUS BIKES,AND A FULL BOOT LOAD WITH THE DOG GUARD UP TO STOP STUFF FLYING AT THE 3 KIDS. SHE JUST EATS UP THE MILES AND DISTANCE IS NEVER A PROBLEM. THE ONLY THING I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT MY OLD VW IS THE 15” ALLOY WHEELS THAT NEED TO BE SENT AWAY TO HAVE THEM REFURBISHED. BUT SAYING THAT IVE NOT EVER BOTHERED TO UPGRADE THEM, BECAUSE IF IT NOT BROKEN WHY CHANGE IT.
Mat, thanks for listening to your subscribers and making videos they ask you to make.
P.S. Will you make a running video of you against Yianni?
Weight at the front is good for breaking. Weight at the back improves launch. That's why 5050 weight distributions are perfect.
Another great comparison! Whomever is your vid. Editor is doing great job!! Love it
Something about this car makes it timeless,the design merges the old with the new and engineering-wise is second to none. I don't think anyone can find better value in a car for various usages...
What this showed is that weight alone is an important factor, but weight distribution is also really important.
Nice series keep going very interesting
No matter how much weight you add to a 992 turbo s, it will always be fast as f%^k!......The undisputed king of Turbo Coupes......Great car.
The genius engineer that's being put in this Porsche 911 turbo s show the people at Porsche definitely know their technology and what makes such a car great Mr Ferdinand Porsche would definitely be very proud of the way his legacy turn out a wonderful and very interesting and informative video blessings to you Mr Matt Watson for your time in making these great videos peace 👍👍
i think the biggest takeaway here is that weight doesnt matter as much as WHERE you put that weight. Balance is everything
I waited for this insane video since the day Mat did the same thing to the Dacia Jogger!
Do a MPG / weight comparison.
Thanks a lot for the video. Really interesting to see these results!
I am just amazed two guys fit in the back seats some how
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It's a cone tip
Honestly this makes manufacturers look stupid when they say oh 1 lb weight saving on this part as an option for $5000 when this video shows that even huge amounts of weight do very little to slow down a car of this caliber
It's the handling that's affected most when engines are this powerful, not the acceleration. These cars are mostly limited by traction/tires and gears more than power output. And all the extra weight is centered in the middle of the car, so even the balance stays pretty much the same.
@@Havanu81 its a good point but there is a handling test in this video and it only slowed the car down .2 with 3 extra people in the car
@@Vartazian360 0.2 adds up when you're in say a 24 hour endurance race :). Which this car will of course never be used for. I also believe that 4WD is less suseptible to the extra weight vs handling than 2WD would be, although I could be wrong about that one.
Please review the Landcruiser LC300 in depth
2 more tests ideas. Mission: improve braking and accelerating for 1 person driving :)
Front balast alone brake test
2 or 1 people on the rear seats acceleration test.
i love this new concept
When I used to have an old *"K" reg (1971/2) Mini Clubman,* with just me in the car it wasn't fast, but it was nippy enough.
_However..._
When there was *me and 5 other people in the car,* it wasn't so nippy due to being _"over crowded"..._ As the nice policeman who stopped me very late one night pointed out.
But as I had been nice and pleasant to the same police who'd stopped me the night before, they let me off saying _"Don't do it again."_
How policing has changed.
We need more like this video
It's amazing how that Porsche 911 Turbo S handled 400kg of more weight without any problem!
Having passengers and load matters less than I always thought. Especially braking is suprising. Also with the Dacia video.
The back seat passengers 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was a short and simple video that I really liked! You just missed one thing... 0-60 with driver and 2 passengers in the back no passenger in the front.
You have the proper outside color I’m amazed you didn’t get the correct silver over red leather
Mat thank you so much for this insane video!
No one does it better than mat✌🏽
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This would be more interesting if you used something less balanced. Do it again with a rwd and fwd wagon, and demonstrate the weight differences. Likely to be far more drastic than the 911.
Who says this car is not practical?
I heard that the sand bags were very comfortable.