Cheating on our RED Camera - Sony Venice 6K Cinema Camera
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- Sony's Venice is a serious contender in the film industry, but it records at 6K instead of 8K! What makes it so special?
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Note: "The $90K setup was based on a package that includes four media cards and a rialto extension system with no licenses" - Brandon
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Sony: Why did this press sample camera we sent out come back watercooled?
LMG:
Bahahahaa 🤣
uh you did not see anything sony
LMG: You mean, PROPERLY cooled?
"Because, hey, YOLO!"
- Linus
@@rzkrdn8650 Thanks, you made my day
Brandon really sounds like he's trying to justify to his Dad (Linus) why they need this $90,000 camera..........for youtube videos.
Its a review unit that they have to sent back no? So i don't think they bought it.
@@navneeths459 ...yet
The LMG Movie is coming
What else hasn't LMG got yet ?
I say Brandon shoot for the stars and ask Daddy Linus for an Arri LF
LTT in two weeks: "We've gone full Sony for our production team"
LTT in 4 weeks: so we sold our Sonys for an Arri Alexa
Welp, now they got 6 of the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K cameras lol
I came from the future where this has become reality.
I mean they did literally switch to FX6's and the FX3 soooo.
I would love a full review. mostly, I really dig it when Brandon hosts anything on LTT. Him and Taran. I understand why we don't hear from them often. it's cool, but I always think it's a treat to hear from the really big nerds :-)
We don't hear from them too often because they are editors and shooters, not the writers / hosts. I would also like to see them more
I miss those old days
there is genuine enthusiasm in there videos and they are fresh about it (maybe the others are a bit tired at it or maybe its just me)
Brandon is cool :) Taran feels way to 'look at me I'm funny and need attention' but that might just be a matter of taste ;)
So we don't see Brandon in years, and then he rises in ShortCircuit
Sadly TH-cam algorithms don't like camera reviews. At least they created ShortCircuit.
OreoCupcakes Its not about the Algorithms, mate, People just don’t care as much.
@@NickTheSickDick I don't think it's that people don't care, they don't understand.
I for one, wish I enjoyed this video more, but I don't as much because I don't understand the technical part of the camera.
Yes would love a full review
FizzyFrys Most people simply aren’t that interested in these cameras, even computer geeks and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
Sony uses crazy nonsensical codenames for their consumer products but this professional camera is called the Venice? ...
Sony‘s actual designation is MPC-3610
was "A7" hard to remember?
@@alex0589 it's not hard to remember, their naming is inconsistent though. Like you have the a6000, followed by a6300 then a6500 Followed by the a6600 so the numbers don't change consistently. There's also the a6400 which is a fundamentally different videocamera so kinda little confusing. And then you have the a7 that just uses generations instead of different names unlike their video cameras. Their entire camera lineup is just insanely inconsistent and doesn't make senses
@@nickrr3626 the a6000 lineup is a bit screwy but the A7/R/S is not - its very consistent and easy to remember
@@nickrr3626 a6000/6100 is low budget aimed, A6300/6400 is mid budget aimed and A6500/6600 pro budget aimed. Yes its a bit wierd but quiet easy to figure out. But still they should just have called it A6000II A6300II and A6500II like they do with A7 (fullframe series) S/-/R (MP) I/II/III/IV (Version).
ILCE = Interchangable Lense Camera E-Mount
a6xxx apsc Series
a7 Fullframe
a9 Fullframe Sport
ILCA = Interchangable Lense Camera A-Mount
a56/68 apsc slt Series
a77 apsc slt pro
a99 fullframe slt pro
a500 dslr apsc
a700 apsc pro
a900 fullframe pro
Brandon : Let's show some footage in 6K
Me : Watching TH-cam in 480p
why boi why
@@Neuer_Alias_erstellen because my internet connection barely keeps up with 480p, anything higher than that is just impossible to watch
@@Neuer_Alias_erstellen cause TH-cam/Netflix has capped highest quality to 480p across India due to this home quarantine shit.
240p
@@mayureshkharwade2696 whoa, the hell? I know they made it default in some countries, but all ltt video's are still 4k or even 8k at auto when I launch them. Lithuania here though, we have great internet, gigabit personally for cheap
Would love to see a full review. Like learning more about the “science” of production while the “art” gets most of the love.
Yes
Sure, why not? We're already here anyways.
I'd like to see side-by-side comparison shots between that and the REDs you have in inventory.
Christian Stout especially in low light, I want to see the iso difference mentioned.
Philip Bloom posted a long 2 hour long review of the FX9 just watch that video if you want to see the two features Brandon mentioned, Dual ISO and Variable ND stops. it's also a very beautiful relaxing watch, made by a Fantastic Cinematographer, it's worth the time, even more in this quarantine time, nobody has as much free time as now.
Yes, ALL the REDs.
@@MuhammadKharismawan exactly!
Yes. Give us that full fledged video on the LTT Chanel. We're waiting for it. Plus, you know that expensive tech stuff do well on TH-cam ;)
Sony: Wait you can't just watercool a $90k Sony Venice cinema camera!
LMG: Haha, Watercooling bump go brrrrrr!
"Hey, can you stand here so we can dump some water over your heads?"
"For camera tests?"
"...What? Oh. Uh. Sure. That's the reason."
“That one has [high number], but *_this_* one, this one has [higher number].
That's right, [higher number]!!!”.
N R basically every Tech video ever.
mo numba mo betta!
Tech at its finest! Gotta boost those numbers, man! Those are rookie numbers!
@@10010110100102Error Yeah! My phone's ISO can go up to 1600! To think that a common smartphone can reach almost half of what a 90k does... I bet my phone even gets more grain than that does...
Ngl didn't understand half the terminology
I love the media production content, hope there's more in the future
@ Jono and Brandon for more
Yes plz
Seconded.
Pretty please?
ShortCircuit pretty please with sprinkles and a cherry on top
You can really see the passion that Brandon has for Cinematography, it's great to see too! I'd love to see it tested out even though I'll never be able to fork out more than some houses cost in my area, for a camera...
Excited to see your thoughts on the workflow and reliability of the VENICE vs your REDs. Keep in mind, the VENICE body is $42,000 new $39k list price), and the optional AXS-R7 raw module is $7,000. $90k is not correct in reference to the “basic package”. Anyways, looking forward to the LLT teams thoughts.
@Brandon Lee Have you tried out the new Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2? I think that’s the most interesting camera in the market right now for 4K producing cinematographers both in terms of bang for the buck and in terms of non properitary standards. It has interchangeable mounts to switch between EF, PL, F and B4, you can directly record via USB-C and optionally directly into 2,5 inch SSDs and costs under 10k$ maxed out. It also has an integrated ND filter, 15 stops of dynamic and 300fps slow motion in full hd.
Man just pulls out a 90k cinema camera like nothing
That's what you have insurance for. The rule usually is that there's no need to be extra cautious, be careful that's enough.
I've used a Phantom camera before which is rough 150k and man I almost shat myself ahaha
The camera was loaned to them by Sony. They did not buy it.
Do FULL REVIEW, Love when you guys do camera reviews, The ursa mini 4.6k is one of my Favorite videos. Brandon you guys should shoot an entire LTT video on the venice and shoot BTS of you doing it as the full review. That would be a really cool video for LTT, like an entire bts of creating an epiosode
CineBlogs yes. With Brandon hosting as well. We don’t see Brandon enough.
Keep this kind of content coming. I love this channel and its style.
I'm just pretending I know what he's talking about lol.
Brandon can you do a tech quickie explaining all these terms.
ND filters block light. 1 stop of light is 1 power of 2. So if an ND filter is 2 stops, it reduces the amount of light by 4x
I agree that these vids would be better if they were about vulgarization and not about just giving a tour of some piece of hardware.
I am a camera person and i cringe a bit every time i see cameras and lenses reviewed by "tech" channels. (this guy knows his stuff, that's not the point)
Cameras were around for 200 years before they became computers with sensors and the basics are unknown to most people, it'd be nice of the script included some education for everyone, even if you don't usually do that for pc parts because pc people might already know a little about how their PCs work, sorta.
>ND filter = like expensive sunglasses, blocks light without changing the colors or tint, you want that when you shoot in bright light but don't want to change your camera settings aka change the look. **built-in NDs** means they are small pieces of glass that can slip in front of the sensor and get darker, as the cameraperson desires.------------
>PL mount = mechanical way to attach most "cinema lenses" to cameras developed by the German company ARRI. consists of the metal back of the lens and the front of the camera.
(Cameras like REDs have interchangeable lens mounts to change from cheaper "photo" lenses like canon EF mount to ARRI PL, for example.) Originally designed for film cine cams.---
>ISO = sensitivity of the sensor (called ASA for film). ISO 100 in a dark room? cant see anything. ISO 1600? better. Brightness depends on 2 additional settings, Shutter Speed and the IRIS in the lens.
>"Dual ISO" means it's a good low-light camera, basically)---------
>V mount battery= A standard for the (way you mount) big ass batteries to cameras and other accessories. (you also see something called Gold Mount batteries on sets).---------
>ARRI Alexa= Remember that German company? They make cameras and lights and stuff and have been for 103 years. Their Digital camera is called Alexa. -------
There's been many different iterations of it in the last 10 years. It is widely used on sets all around the world. The Avengers (2012) was one of the big blockbusters that used it when the industry started switching from film to digital.---------
>Sony Venice= Sony's "CineAlta" top of line Cine camera. Sony has a long history of Digital cinema cameras going back to the star wars prequels.-----------
>FULL FRAME= a sensor that is the same size as old 35mm PHOTO negatives. First digital full frame camera to have HD video features was the Canon 5D Mark2 in 2008.
Historically, film or sensors used in cine cameras were a bit smaller. So, full frame= more light hitting a bigger sensor AKA better low light *also* capacity for shallower *depth of field* =backgrounds softly out of focus. ---------------
Hope this can help.
which terms specifically?
@@alex0589 Thank you very much for clarifying. I was also wondering, what exactly the terms meant. Although I could've kinda guessed some ones.
Not the kind of equipment you want to see on LinusDropTips.
Accurate
Rip linus kids they probably all got dropped
When he picked it up and felt the balance I got nervous, I had to remind myself that he wasn't Linus.
That's why Linus isn't the one doing the unbox...
FULL REVIEW, love these videos man
I love your full camera reviews - do it!
Watercool it, I'm sure Sony will appreciate the free upgrade (or be absolutely horrified and never send you guys anything ever again)!
then sony says.. its already watercooled.. that's why its so heavy.
sony does crazy things at times... like the camera with phone though they market it the other way round
I love watching Brandon geek out on cameras, now we need a video on the Arri Alexa. And yes to a full review!
I really enjoy it when camera equipment get a full review on the big channel, and I really enjoy when you get more camera time since you're a great host, so I would love a full review
Wouldn't it be a bit more fait to compare it to a RED camera equiped with their monstro sensor (the full frame one)
Seeing the actual difference in low light between both would be nice (maybe compare it to an arri alexa lf ?)
Almost explicitly yeah.
The alexa goes for 9k-6k second hand. That's not a fair comparison. I'd say the mini lf or the lf is a better comparison.
Please do a full review I didn't even know this camera existed
Yes please, we need a full review and a comparison against the RED camera.
In a blind test, you won't be able to tell the differences between the videos. After a few thousand dollars, all the cameras start looking the same. This is overpriced junk.
YES! Full review needed, Linus.
I’d love to see a full review of the Venice! Great video!
Full LTT review please!
Friendship ended with RED Digital Cinema
Now Sony is my best friend
Full review please, all the camera reviews you made on ltt are just so pleasing to watch
Yes please! A full in depth review of this would be great!
Hell yeah......Lets see Brandon do a full review....If he gets to keep it maybe we will get on his xmas card list.
Anything that gets more Brandon on the channel is a good thing!
Definitely want a full review, this thing is awesome.
Full review please!!!! Even that short clip of the slow-mo has my body ready.
16-bit linear raw?! XD
edit: hell yeah review this!
16 bits is honestly more useful just for compatibility convenience. The camera doesn't actually record beyond 12 bits or so. (12 bits is still more than anyone would need- even Hollywood. It's just not 16 real bits of data)
More bit is better for heavy colour correction, and sfx editing
Man I wanna see that full review real talk havent seen a LTT camera review in ages
when you have first impression video / unbox video, it always good to have a full review follow up! :D
The enthusiasm is amazing and really enjoyed this episode.
ShortCirtuit : This camera totaly costs almost 100.000$
Everyone : KEEP IT AWAY FROM LINUS
That'll be an expensive drop.
Paul Cotton Some places use a . instead of a ,
maybe that's the reason they are shooting at this point of time, when linus is in self quarantine
@@yashwanth_guduru hahahahahahahaha that makes soooo much sense, quick lets shoot it now that Linus cant leave his home ahahahahhaa, he must never come into contact with THIS !!!
@@PaulCotton Agreed but this doesn't mean he needs to be spending it. Especially during these times.
9:23 "theres more cooling" - taking bets on how long till Linus water cools it
I would really love to see full review! Heard about this camera a lot, but never saw a review with this monster in professional's hands.
Especially now, when this division takes part in developing Sony's new phones as well.
Definitely need a full review of this camera. Love these camera reviews
Please make more camera-related videos like this and the full review on LTT !
Please make a full review for this I just want to see Brandon further gush over it lmao
It's like he is in love with the camera.
absolutely keen for a full review
I'd absolutely 100% love to see a full review of this. Plz show more footage :)
Yes please. I love all the cameras you've listed but I don't know Jack about the Venice
I've had some pretty "wtf" moments from LTT for expensive hardware, but even as a camera nerd, my jaw legitimately dropped at that body-only price.
TJW595 that’s not that far out there when I start looking at broadcast cameras, it’s a pretty similar price to EACH camera used on a sports broadcast and they can even record for that you use a replay server (running on DOS too) that cost about $250,000 each and you broadcast truck will have 4-8 of those.
Oh yea then you didnt have a look at vision researchs phantom cameras 😅
@@TimestormFilms Yea i know about the Phantom lineup but i would consider them to be a special subset, this being a cinema camera makes it seem(?) more mainstream than it is because I mean I get that $40k for a Red cinema camera is a lot to us stills photographers who dream of even owning a Sony a9 for $3500, and i guess thats why it seems so surreal. Movies are made on Red weapons, but even so Arri exists, and this thing exists, and the broadcast cameras that @45under mentioned exist so it gets to a point where even im just like... "but why???"
100/150k normal price for cinema camera. Take a look to some Arri camera, like the Alexa.
@@SaraBearRawr0312 Because the camera cost 1/100 or 1/1000 of what a single Leonardo DiCaprio costs. It's a rounding error for production studios.
Love your enthusiasm I want more!!!!
YES... A full review wouold be awesome.
Compare the color science between Venice and Weapon 8K!
I wanna see Sony color vs Red color and also a full-on review (usability, image quality, blah blah blah)
I highly doubt it would stand a chance against the Alexa's colour science, though. Sony's got some great engineers, but their imaging is sterile and overtly digital. Arri meanwhile has decades of experience dedicated towards film.
@@MarioAtheonio Having used the Venice, I found it to be way closer to Arri's colour science quality than Red's is. It was also way cleaner than either. I agree Sony's colours haven't been the best in the past, but the new generation Venice Colour is pretty stunning.
Christy Kail Interesting! To be honest, I’ve never worked with a Sony cine camera, just talking from my limited experience with the a7s and other Sony stills and video cameras, and the Alexa Classic and the D21.
WhatWhere Sony CineAlta cameras are in a totally different league to their stills cameras. As you’d expect!
@@SoundSpeeding Sure, but it is the same company after all, so there is also reason to expect similar attitudes.
Im really interested in what the Venice can do ! Show us more !
Great video! I'd love to see a full review!
I have, and will never have, the money or expertise to use these cameras. That being said I love the fact that this is a review that I can understand, digest, and enjoy as it gives me a glimpse into what kind of crazy world cameras will be in 5 or 10 years. Can't wait to see a review on something like this when 6k is considered old news!
Yay, more Brandon. Hope to see full review on LTT
When a RED camera looks like a good deal...
I love your cinema/stills content. You should totally do a review.
Yesss please do an in-depth review!
Id absolutely love a full review!
Yes, I absolutely want to see the full review... I love the long-form camera videos!
Your expertise is amazing man. You truly take pride in your worK and love the tools and toys that help to achieve your goal in producing such fantastic cinematography and video content for the ltt channel. Take care
Full review please and keep up the camera related content 👍
Really enjoyed hearing about this and would love a full review! Hope to see more content like this!
Me: Oh wow, STANDARD batteries, go Sony go!
Brandon: Sony Proprietary card reader
me: oh, never then.
You also forgot which can adapt to the more standard format.
Well, at least their proprietary card is not a off the shelf ssd in a proprietary enclosure.
The feature licencing is way more egregious IMO
@@aCoreyJ does it really matter ? this is not for a common usages.. its for these rich ass high end studios.. anyone who can afford it has the money to do it..so who cares about that :P
For most Camera and Video stuff Sony defines the standards... So yeah... They are using their own standards and industry just adapted to them :D
It's nice to see Brandon in front of cameras from time to time.
I'm up to the full reviews of camera equipment.
Yes! Full review please!
Yes! Full review! I want dope tech!
A full review would be much appreciated.
Brandon's drive for better cinematography on LTT has always been awesome. Definitely want to see more on this!
Definitely want a full review of this
Yes my dude! Review the hell out of that camera! Do a side by side comparison if possible!
Get this comment to the top! I want a review!
*Corrected weight
Red:3kg
Sony: 5,6kg
Came here for the same
Would really love a full review, Brandon! ☺️
Brandon gives me the feeling that a man knows exactly what he's doing. Would like to see more of his videos.
nice try brandon
a lot of what the Venice can do the FX9 can do as well, it's the cut down smaller version and only on serious big budget cinema use does the Venice make more sense, freelancer and small production like LTT would (if they hadn't already moved on to Red) be able to make use of FX9 way more. and they did, LTT had FS7 before their REDs after all.
the FX9 also have the dual ISO and Variable ND Brandon mentioned as Venice best selling point, its smaller and way cheaper than the Venice as well.
@Jacob Dawson I'm sorry, but no it doesn't.
@Jacob Dawson hahahah right thanks for the joke 😂
@Jacob Dawson Lamao that's a good one
I'd say the color science of the Venice, which the FX9 is SUPER close to, is much better than the RED as well. But they're so invested now, it almost wouldn't make sense to switch systems at this point.
@@ThomasPrettyman01 their workflow is also already optimizer 8K bandwidth of which the FX9 isn't able to do, I think 6K is promised in firmware update?
TH-cam is and will still be the most widely used implementation on ultra high resolution Videos so they invested on that 8K long before, for future long term stash and backreferencing.
I want a full review, camera looks sweet!
Def want a full review on it. Anything able to get Brandon that excited is worth looking at.
Yes, full review please!
I'm really enjoying the camera content on this channel, keep it up.
also I'd love to see the full review of this, I haven't seen many about it.
Please let Brandon have his fun over at LTT
I would love to see a review of this incredible camera. What a great overview.
Hell yeah full review!
Yay we’re gonna get unboxing of Sony Venice soon cause we know they gonna buy it.
Are you from production?
Learner Guy No. but I feel like Brandon loves the Sony Venice so much they’re gonna buy it and we’re gonna get another unboxing video where Linus complains how we paid quarter of a million for two cameras. Wholesome entertainment
@@vaibhavjain5227 that's not happening unfortunately. replacing all their cameras at this point for something thats such an overkill (the Red already was an overkill, this is just rediculous)
OZbibaO do we watch the same channel? They’re the definition of overkill and extravagance lol. Just saying it won’t surprise me.
Honestly if this was a normal year I could see Brandon getting a Venice camera but with covid going on lmg must just be trying to survive
Would love to see a full review so that I can see Brandon talk about the camera more. This is an opportunity for him and viewers alike!
Love hearing Brandon talk about camera stuff, even when i only understand half of it 🤩
Would love a full review. Don't understand half of what you are talking about but still enjoy hearing the technical side of things. Would really enjoy seeing side by side clips of similar filming situations to show the pros and cons of both the Sony and Red cameras.
I wish i understood half the things he was talking about
Same
-How I feel during their content about virtual machines and server settings. Lol
Machine catch light, machine make nice picture.
i wish i understood 10% of what he talked about
I just realized that I do understand everything he said
Do it! (full review)
I would watch a full review!!! Hope Linus lets you do one.
Full review? Yes please!!!
I see a lot of people complaining about the price. This is pro equipment. Even as I camera nerd, I admit this is expensive BUT these are cinema cameras NOT DSLR. Professionals buy this, not hobbiests or consumers
Actually, *professionals RENT this, that's partly why it's so expensive to buy, the price is not that steep for rental houses who expect to rent these out hundreds of times.
I just love how they gouge professionals because they know they can get away with it. It's just how the world works I guess. Professionals don't have any other choice; image quality of good DSLRs is similar, but they lack just enough features to make them unusable. So you're stuck paying $90,000 instead of $3000. Not complaining though, if I was in the same position as Sony I would probably do the same thing. Gouge gouge gouge baby.
@@Fireflyepic i don't think the the difference is 90000 and 3000. and companies have to make profit on those things and not many ppl will buy them since they don't need them nor can they opperate them.
and not only do they have to make profit they have to actually support the damn thing for years to come. you need to have a team of engineers actually fixxing bugs perfomances issues or even hardware bugs for years, since this is a tool and will be needing the attention of one.
and not forget that those machines have most likely an assembly line just for them and many of custom machinery made for them. machines that it wouldn't be easy to adapt to other tasks.
let alone that the product cycle on this things isn't as small as on consumer products so you cannot expect fast updates cycles to pay for this thing.
the bill of materials on this thing must be stupendous.
do they make a rediculous margin on this things ???? most deffinetely....
does it matter to the average consumer or someone who cannot afford this? probably not.
at the end of the day whoever wants to play with intustry equipment can w8 a cycle or two to grab it on an ebay listing, most likely those should be like the expensive servers in the pc market.
People be like: i TaKE pICtuRe oF mY cAT eVeRy DAy. imMA pRO. tHis pRIcE iS sTuPid
@@hellNo116 I think you missed my point. My point is that they make ridiculous margins. That's fine though, i'm not saying they shouldn't. I would do the same thing if I was Sony.
Also, i'm not sure what you mean by saying that the difference isn't $90,000 and $3,000 -- it most certainly is. Prosumer gear will be up to around $3,000, truly professional video gear like this can go as high as six figures. Real pros oftentimes can't use the prosumer gear, which is a shame. It's 90% there, but just missing a few key features.
They price it this way because they can. Microsoft does the same thing. Microsoft forces businesses to do Windows Enterprise, and they charge $84 per user per year. In other words, you need to buy Windows again every single year. Businesses are fine paying this, your average joe might not be, though. They gouge the former, and give a free upgrade to Windows 10 for the latter. Sony, Microsoft, internet providers, etc. want to know if your are a business/professional or a regular consumer to decide how much they can gouge you. Yes, they offer certain benefits, but nothing to justify the cost difference.
Whatever though, it doesn't affect most of us.
Charging to use features on your camera that you paid for?
Wtf
you're paying more for the support of those features. Paying that extra $ ensures everything will work all the time and given general production costs its not totally surprising.
These are for commercial use, so I don't think companies care about prices too much.
It's not a trick - it's a Sony!
The ole ibm goods as a service mentality
This is a common practice, honestly. It requires a lot of extra work for brands to get specific recording formats to function so it's common to release a camera with all the basics and release more options later at an extra cost.
For example, if you want to record S-LOG3 at 30fps, that's an entirely different instruction set compared to the same recording profile but at 90fps. You have to optimize each for the datarate limits of the sensor as well as for things like rolling shutter, syncing audio, how dynamic range is used across the profile, etc. It's a lot and considering the demand for each license is low, it makes sense to have the lower hardware cost.
Yes, please full review!!!!
this channel is so special , because each of tech products are reviewed by different person who had a better knowledge at that product . linus is just a computer guy