First, It was mj vs magic. Then mj vs Kobe. Then mj vs lebron. There will be more comparisons. Mj is the gold standard for greatness in sports. It’s just how it is.
Updated!!! GOAT debate should be between MJ/Kobe & Kareem or Bill unfortunately for Kobe he is the MJ of 2000s but he is def the 2nd GOAT behind MJ followed by Kareem/Bill/Wilt. The social media of 2010s and the present help LeFlop existences like his superstars teammates and superteams. But, LeBron shouldn't even in the debate, the last 5 years, he was just chasing stats with his super teams. He has to join 3 different teams to win, in every 1st year of his new team he got beat up badly or missed the playoffs that in the 2nd year of his every teams, he has to trade most of if not eveyrone for new superstars ans veteran allstars of his sights like. His Lakers tenure isn't something to convince for GOAT debate, 1st y3ar missed playoffs, 2nd year hebhas to trad eevryone to get AD and guys he wants, AD won them that championship while Lebron cherry picking stats, 3rd got beat up and blamed eveyrone and this year, he supposed to be outbof the seaon as he suad he has injuries or whatever but when he sees Dlo/AD/Reavs and the co. winning games, Lebron suddebly hurried to comeback and healthy again to play, every wins he take all the credits for himself, every loses its AD/Dlo/Hams fault. 2013-14 he got beat uo badly by the Spurs but luckily for him, Allen saves them from gettunf beat up but 2014, spurs destroyed themm 2015, with all those trades they got beat up hy young and inexperienced warriors. 2016, he has to tradeagain including his coach and saved again by another teammates (oh his blocks) lebron is good for 2nd or 3rd help defende which include that blocks, hebia no good perimeter or 1 on1 defender, hebis good for 2nd or 3rd help defense. Anyway, that 2016 was a disaster for warriors but why the Lebronsexual fans goat has to be down 3-1???? Kyrie has to be the Batman while Lebron picking stats until Cavs cameback and Kyrie hit that game winning shots. 2018 cavs? That cavs was still stacked and better that the younger teams in East. 2019? Lebron was cherry picking and injured when Lakers wasn't making the playoffs. Jesus, Lebronsexual fans will say, hebis goat cause he won 3 rings for 3 teams? What a stupid narrative, he won 3 rings from 3 different teams because he cant win a championship with 1 team in his 1st year and has to trade every assets they have to get superstas and to have superteam to win a ring. While MJ Kobe stayed onlynfor 1 team and win morenring with less years than Lebron. Lebron has to stat pad more for GOAT conversion. He messed up the Lakers offense in this years playoffs. Dlo/Shroeder/Beasley/Vanderbilt and AD became barely scored and has to lower theirbgames for Lebrons sake and to be able for Lebron to be rellevant in Lakers offense. Cause if you take out the ball from Lebrons hand, he is irrelevant. AD can score/Reaves and Dlo was doing good when Lebron was about to expire. Jesus, we should do the debate between, MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Bird. Lebron fpr aure is a top 10 due to his stats and 20 years of playing, but GOAT? He isn't even in top 5 debate. LeFlop Lakers Tenure. 2019 Missed Playoffs 2020 Bubble ring (AD to the rescue). 2021 1st round exit. 2022 Missed playoffs 2023 WCF swept 2024 Swept in 1st round exit. 2025 Missed Playoffs, Blamed his 7th coaches and traded 5 players.
@@NarutoUzumaki-og1ge Ohhh, that's alright Lebronsexual fans are mostly uneducated Imbeciles and they need to be enlighten. They seems getting worst everytime Lebron loses badly. They find and make excuses for LeSwept sake.
No just because people try to and fail to compare drake and Michael Jackson doesn’t mean that Michael Jackson isn’t the goat and will always be the goat.
Everybody wanted to be like dr j. That doesn’t make dr j the best or even top 3. Jordan stole dr j’s moves and dunks. What you talking bout willis. Lebron is the goat. Kobe is 2nd Kareem 3rd.
@@user-eb4xm9ck2x No one talks about Jordan stole moves from Dr. J is because, while Dr.J's move was absolutely insane and beautiful, Jordan made it even better. People talk about Kobe stealing move from MJ because Kobe did not advancing it. I would argue Jordan still has the most advanced and efficient moves of all time, despite players have been learning from him for 30 years. That's legacy. And don't get me started with Lebron's move, if there is a ugliest move award I think he'd probably get it every year. The single person that has the ugliest move of all time. And from your top3 clearly you need to see a doctor, brain damage is concerning but curable.
@@dawdle525 You hear yourself? Same with kobe. Jordan did it nice and kobe did it way better. Kobe made it look prettier and smoother. 😂🫵🏼😂 Ofcourse the Jordan fan girls won’t admit to Jordan stealing dr j’s dunks, but he did. Anyone with eyes seen and could see that. Whether you feel Jordan made it look better, it’s still stolen. Same way america was stolen and made better 😂🫵🏼😂
The media did a hell of a job "selling" the narrative that Lebron is part of a conversation he has no business being in, and comparing him to MJ is absolutely laughable. I still don’t understand how they’ve managed to trick so many people.
Its the power of Klutch sports network doing all this propaganda. They even offered money to a coach for MVP vote for Lebron. The masses that dont know just eats up what theyre told.
You all are brain washed. Not everyone wakes up puts on their MJ boxers before they leave out the house. It’s subjective, MJ will never be the unanimous GOAT. No one can be
@@hyperflame7255 MJ Goat stuff 10 x Topscorer. (Record) Most trophies. Most MVP Awards (Finals + Season) Most points per game in the finals. Most points per game in the playoffs. Most points per game alltime. The only player in 60 years with more than 3,000 points in a season. Most efficient player (27,9)in the history. Plus 3x steal leader The first and only one player with MVP, DPOY and top scorer in a season. The only player (with Pippen as far as the pure 3-peats are concerned) ) with 2 x 3-peat + 6 Finals MVP- (also record by the way) Second 3-peat= 2 x MVP, 3 x Finals MVP, 3x Topscorer, 3 x All- Defense Team without missing a single game. 6:0 Finals win record At the age of 35- NBA Champion, MVP, Finals MVP, Allstar Game MVP, All NBA First Team, All Defense First Team. The only player (by a huge margin) who was top scorer 9 times and at the same time in the All Defense Team. All of this in 12 seasons with the Bulls (86'only a few games due to a serious injury + 95' very late comeback only a few games=which doesn't even add up to half a season) When he played as pointguard in March-April 89' (test) = 7 triple doubles in a row, 10 triple doubles from 11 games ( 33,6 Points average, 10,8 Rebounds average, 11,4 Assists average, 1,9 blocks average), 15 triple doubles total, in a few weeks.
MJ23 is the GOAT... I m from Montenegro little country in balkan, man my mom knows who is Jordan in the 90s we are been in civil war, and every kid knows who Jordan is, without internet, social media and evreything...MJ is a basketball !!!
Same same happened in my country Cuba in the 90's everybody knows who was Jordan, also the comunist government Didn't allow to watch any professional sports on national television
MJ was arguably the most famous person alive. lots of non-americans, mostly europeans because they think they're special, try to downplay that fact. say this soccer guy or that soccer guy. but no. sports, politics, acting, singing, doesn't matter. MJ was probably the most famous person on the planet for quite a while.
Lebron is the GOAT....look at who hes going up against.....Name ONE player Jordan had to go against Better than Steph Curry?..better than Durant?...Better than Derrick Rose(with the good knees)....Better than Kobe?....better than Damien Lillard?....etc....name someone better than Ja Morant bro
@@henreyberry5 Jordan played with Larry bird, Prime Kobe, Shaq, magic Johnson, Olajuwon, Drexler, etc. your acting like 90s nba are a joke but it’s not.
@@aiaiwjeheiqkwurhwjwkw9914 No never a joke. The 90's player evolved the game to what it is now...People are just scared to admit the talent has evolved also
@@henreyberry5 true but if you put modern players now back in the 90s with a bunch of the other 90s players the old rules. Most of those players wouldn’t even wanna consider playing basketball ever again. Not saying all but majority of them. 90s basketball was way different than it is now. If mj played in this era he would dominate the whole league
@@henreyberry5 no they didn’t players now are soft and lebrón will never be the goat with 6 losses in the finals and Jordan played against more all stars than lebrón.
The only reason why you keep hearing the conversation, is not because you are close to MJ. It’s because MJ sellsssssssssssssssssss. MJ is the reason media have success in their shows. When you retire, people will move on just like they do with baseball, hockie, football etc. MJ will be heard for ever. He is GOAT
That’s a lie bro.. there was no goat discussion with no damn Kobe Duncan or magic or Kareem. Tbh i don’t remember players careers getting judge so matter of factly while they were still playing before social media took over. Jordan had the benefit to retire unchallenged as the best cuz ppl remember 6 for 6 in the championship but he played 15 seasons lol at the end ppl are only looking at the totals but these players get judged on their career from a game to game perspective. Lebron is the only who has lived tried n failed n come out clean on the other end as the solo guy. For all his “Allstar” teammates n team jumping 4 for 4 finals mvps n never was in question for losing one to a team mate so he didn’t get carried when he did win n didn’t beat any fluke teams to win.
MJ is the measure by which all others are compared, he is the Platinum standard because during the height of his prime, MJ had no rivals since the world understood he was #1, and the separation between #1 and #2 was a large chasm.
It depends how you look at it now. I think LeBron had a better NBA career than Jordan (better longevity/sustained eliteness, just as popular, more salary earned, better all around stats) but what Jordan accomplished in 13 seasons and being near perfect in that span with very minimal Ls and setbacks makes him the greater player. It’s similar to how LeBron is a greater Laker than Fisher by accomplishing more within less time
@@BRBallin1 longevity is the only thing this due has on Jordan. Are you aware that Jordan made the NBA popular? Are you aware that the reason players get better salaries is because of jordan? Are you aware that the only stats that LeBron has on Jordan are cumulative stats? Which mean nothing cause Jordan only player 13 seasons. You are delusional my man
@@hyperflame7255 so many....unless there comes an nba player, who did more than MJ,. then that would be the goat. if indeed you are an NBA fan, and you watched games of the 80's and up to early 20's, you would know the very good players MJ has faced/encountered. but the fact you are asking that question whom MJ faced, boy tells me you are just a young fellow.... do your own diligence so you would know why in the world, MJ"s "AIR JORDAN Brand sells 150 Million annually to this day, when he is retired 20 yrs ago... you know who is the second, and its not even close, Le bron at 35 million annually... here in asia and in europe, when you googled who is the goat, most cite tells you MJ. the world knows who is the true goat.
@@micapalma9532 I Ain’t Jordan Wasn’t The Goat And I Didn’t Say LeBron Wasn’t Either Because Honestly There Will Never Be A Definitive Goat The Whole Debate Is Silly Since The Goat Means The (Greatest Of All Time) It’s Pointless Really Time Is Infinite, So There Will Never Be A Definite Goat Since Someone Will Eventually Past Someone Else Thats Just How Sports And Records Work For Basketball And I Only Asked Who Was His Hardest Competition To Watch The Games In My Free Time.
Flame, to me the best competition he faced was before he won. Boston and Detroit. Winning years would be Pistons and Lakers in 91. Swept the double champs like they never existed then outplayed Magic. Isiah Thomas acts like what he did in 1990 is the greatest feat in history by beating Bird Jordan and Magic. Then he claims that ONE year later, they were all old and past their prime. Ridiculous.
@@hyperflame7255 For sure the Bad Boy Pistons who physically beat him up. Mike actually started to work out to handle the abuse. Then a bigger and badder Michael went on to beat the Pistons.
@StormS2N, “old”? Good one 😂. When Jordan beat the Pistons in the 1990-1991 post-season, the Pistons starting lineup had a 29 year old Rodman (All-NBA First team defense; Defensive player of the year) and a 27 year old Dumars (All-NBA Third team; All-NBA Second team defense). So, two guys under 30 years old who were top-3 in their position. Plus a 30 year old NBA All-Star in Isiah Thomas.
The whole era thing is why LeBron will never get looked at as better than MJ. 80s and 90s basketball was GRITTY, PHYSICAL, AND AGGRESSIVE! The NBA of today is like FOULS GALORE... over everything
💯 Today era is weak overall, In the 80/90 they wouldn’t call for 90% of the fouls nowdays. It’s disgusting how weak this sport becomes… Actually it’s so soft that we can see players actually not playing really defence and “trying” because they know the consequences… which all the better 3p shooters taking advantage nowdays. I really can see this game in the next decade going to the only 3p route with how weak it’s becoming.
@@callmeshen9754I advise you to rewatch some 90s games and take off your nostalgia glasses. Illegal defense rules made it near impossible to double team non driving players and nearly every shot 10ft+ out went uncontested.
Accomplishments aside, MJ changed the game, culture & world with his influence and impact. You can't ever erase that and what he did for everyone growing up. We have something intrinsically that makes MJ special.
@@BoyDanny93 no he wouldn't have. LeBron wouldn't have an identity to follow. 90% of LeBron's identity is off of copying/following MJ. MJ was literally the perfect storm. The look, flashy style, number 23, dunks, high flying, sneakers, mental, perfect team for marketing. Everything was perfect for him to be the man he is today, LeBron wouldn't have been able to do what MJ did.
Most of us don't hate his game. We appreciate LBJ . ( I am a fan since his rookie years , specifically the time he was facing Howard and nelson , pitrues ) I still remember the buzzer beater of the king " Cavs vs Orlando " man . ( I cheer for him too , before I became a hater ) Once he admits that he is not the Goat. He will earn the respect that he deserves.
The funny part is LeBron HIMSELF has NEVER disrespected or given anything other than respect for the role he's played in his life. The media created the division between lebron and mj. But what's great about lebron is n he doesn't have to put nobody down to uplift himself. And MFs HATE IT! 😂😂😂Without disrespecting Jordan, he passed him in scoring. Without disrespecting Jordan, LeBron passed him in assist. Without disrespect, he passed Jordan in rebounds. The man had never said a bad word about Jordan and given him the utmost respect. The only way people can be disrespectful about lebron is because they're idol has been made human because video evidence exist. Thank God ive been alive to see the failures and short comings that Jordan had! Otherwise i would be on the disrespect wagon that most stans are on
We don’t at all. Lebron is an extraordinary world class talent. He’s a worthy number 2. No one is disrespecting Lebron by citing him as the second greatest of all time. I don’t remember Jordan ever saying a bad word about Lebron? Not sure what your point is there. The reason for me that it’s not really a conversation is there are five honours a player strives for every year. Defensive first team Scoring title MVP Championship Finals MVP Only one player ever, in the history of the NBA, won all five honours in a single year. And Jordan did it 4 freaking Times!!!! Bird didn’t do it. Wilt didn’t do it. Magic didn’t. Steph didn’t. And Lebron never did it. None of them even did it once. Only Michael Jeffrey Jordan…4 times.
@@wretchwalker2991 Yeah, I thought it was funny when he made that ridiculous a remark. There's no shortage of ignorance on TH-cam Bball comment sections.
“You never hear the greatest quarterbacks talked about…..” WHAT?!?!? Has Lebron been under a sports-talk rock for the last 5 years of TOM BRADY’S CAREER???? Has he seriously not ever heard a Brady/Montana debate???? Not one?!?!???
So many of these idiots in the comments didn't even watch the video. They're commenting as if he said that lol. MJ is the GOAT though, but don't comment on a video that you didn't watch, makes you look stupid.
Only one player in NBA history has ever been ALL DEFENSE, won the SCORING TITLE, won the MVP, won the CHIP, and won the FINALS MVP IN THE SAME YEAR!!! ONLY ONE!!! AND JORDAN DID THAT 4 TIMES!!! 4 FREAKING TIMES!!! No one will ever do that.
Jordan spent his time on defense. He was a god because he showed great offensive power in that era. In modern times, there is no hand check, making it easy to attack. You can't compare based on stats alone. If he existed in his prime under modern rules, he would be able to score incredible points. And he'll probably beat up LeBron or whatever.
Lebron is obviously the superior player. He can do everything Jordan can and more. Name the Steph Curry that MJ has to play against. Not meant to be answered btw. A shooter like Curry didn’t exist back then. The rules of basketball may have changed but the players today are faster and stronger than back in the day. The pool of talent is much larger as well because there are way more international players in NBA. A larger pool of players will give you more skill so it’s King James who was playing in a tougher league.
Jordan and the Bulls were the Juggernaut! That’s the thing! They were the team to beat! In the NBA 80’s was tough football style of basketball 90’s was just as tough. Today 2023 Shaq said it best! “This is the cupcake league”🎤💧
@@robertm.serrato258 old cats always hate on those who come after. Look at boomers and how they hate on millennials non-stop. And nah it’s the other way around. There is a much larger pool of players so statistically we would have a tougher NBA because of the rise in talent. It’s also stupid to imply that the game just stopped evolving after the 90s. Players can’t even play the way they used too because rules have changed. Also we can just look at the stats and efficiency of the players then and now (take the average) and you’ll come to conclusion that this is a more skillful league in every way
@@connerwhite5351 guy, just like the Golden State Warriors dominated the league in todays NBA. The Bulls, of the 90’s, The Pistons of the 80’s, the Lakers, and the Boston Celtics would absolutely slide right in. Don’t forget it was those guys before that made the league. And Jordan would annihilate in 2023! 🎤💧
@@robertm.serrato258 no he wouldn’t. Just look at the shooting efficiency of today’s players. It’s absolutely delusional to say the game has not evolved. You’re only logical argument can be to say the defense is not what it was. 1. The rules have changed. 2. Look at both errors in regards to wide open shots 3. There were not a large amount of players hitting 3s like today 4. There is a much larger POOL of players the NBA has to choose from. You cannot get past these facts. You MJ fanboys are delusional. Btw I’m not actually a Lebron fan. I can’t stand floppers
@@connerwhite5351 Fan boys? Guy, that makes the majority of the people Jordan Fan boys! And yes, MJ would dominate today. The only evolution the game has today is the three ball. If Jordan played today he would absolutely develop his three ball. Yes, I am a Jordan Fan. He is the standard of greatness. Any era! 🎤💧
The greatest QB discussion was a debate regularly had among sports fans. Montana was considered the best until Brady went way past him. And now the media has throw Mahomes into that convo which I find silly. Montana won 4 super bowls and Brady won 7. Mahomes is still obviously playing but he's only won 2. He has not surpassed Montana yet.
MJ is the GOAT because of.... offensive skills, defensive skills, personal achievements, team achievements, artistry, he invented moves, mentality, loyalty, series of epic highlights, techincal impact on the court, emotional impact outside the court, personal aura, legacy ... etc ... etc .. Lebron is phenomenal, but in basketball we saw the perfection
@@hyperflame7255 Magic Johnson, Larey Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Barkley, Shaq, Stockton&Amlone, Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, Reggie Miller, Drexler, etc. etc. he was the best in the generation of the best ones
@@tm75_88he never won against Larry or Magic in their prime lol the Lakers were done, Kareem was gone and Byron was hurt. Larry was hurt. Barkley was literally by himself, drex is not a superstar, and Penny was hurt when they played Orlando, the year Mike came back, they actually put the bulls out of the playoffs
@@victorsuarez3 That’s because nobody can be like LeBron. Not one player can do the shit he has been for 20 years. Him and Shaq are two types of players you’ll never see again.
We're talking about a guy that never had to figure it out. A guy that college could not hold him. A guy that didnt have to have any great coach. He came out smoking, year 1 day 1. Yes, Jordan's 6 years of dominace is unmatched. But Lebron has been dominant for at least 20 with harder competition.
@@Theemptythroneistaken If you think Malone & Stockton are better than Kevin Durant & Steph you need to stop talking basketball & stay on the sidelines.
@FreedomRyda2010 It's about synergy as a team my friend you best believe that no amount of skills as an individual can beat a team who can and have 6 NBA titles.
@@Theemptythroneistaken 😂 If you think any of those Bulls teams was beating the 17-18 Warriors you don't know Basketball. Jazz took MJ to 6 games. GS would have beat those Bulls in 6.
Jordan brings the "I" in we WIN in TEAM not only in basketball outside of basketball, baseball, student, master, father, son, good person. Even Jordan is humble, who because of his airness's example, I want to strive to be my best regardless of task. Task you coach Jordan. I consider you the living Dean Smith and Bobby Knight in ONE Jordan.
Mj fans say they hate bron cause "he wont admit mjs better" but shit ton of player in history said they were the the greatest so whats the real reason yall hate bron. The reason is cause u guys are scared of his legacy and we all know who has the bettee career and who played in a yougher era
Lebron is humble & obviously isnt gonna say himself lmfao he already gets enough hate & knows what a comment like that would bring, he knows his resume speaks for itself he outdid jordan in every aspect & only 2 rings off bc jordan was ona superteam for that time of nba lmao jordan didnt bring no ring to the wizards lebron won everywhere hes been without the super help besides the heat which he still carried massively, 40 years old almost still as great as when he entered the nba, jordan isnt the goat on the court & especially off the court, goat of his era maybe but not of all time, thats lebron
Jordon said it best when he said he never played against the likes if Bill Russel or Wilt Chamberlain. He never played against these amazing players, so in his mind, how can anyone vbe considered the GOAT. We get it Mike! But, you are the GOAT!!!!
1:14 Gretsky's dominance was HUGE enough nobody else can even come close. Some sports there is no reason for a debate, as there's no real compititon who was the greatest.
MJ dominated on BOTH ends of the court. Dude was 1st team All defense 10 years. I will say this about LeBron- you have to be committed to staying in shape for 20+ years and not have a prolonged injury that takes you off the court like Kobe Achilles or MJ broken bone in his foot. With all of the wear and tear on his body, the games and the minutes he has played- that is phenomenal.
The fact there is a debate about MJ and LeBron is a testament to LeBron. I look at all the intangibles before I look at there stats. Yes Jordan has all these different accolades...but so does LeBron...so my intangibles start with LeBron didn't have his dad or brother to push him...he never played for a college hall of fame coach ...and third most important to me...he has had to deal with a loud mouth African American journalist who has criticized his eveery game since he came into the league. MJ never had to deal with social media...ever...now someone tell me MJ career would have been the same if social media was going on in the '90s...💯
@@kcidd12 yea that’s has a little something to do with it but man the accomplishments and not just that how mj played the game .you go watch some of the games and compare them to todays game it’s not comparable.mj played in a harder more physical game .lebron would quit he’s done it before and the defense wasn’t like back then
Lebron literally lost 60% of the Finals he played in. Nothing about a 60% losing percentage says 🐐 Name another 🐐 in any sport who has lost more rings than he has won. You can’t and there’s a reason for that. He’s not the 🐐 never has been and never will be. A parachute that only opens up 40% of the time is a shitty parachute. The same can be said for a basketball player who only wins 40% of his championships that he’s played in. A boxer with a 4-6 record in title fights would get laughed at trying to claim best boxer in the world 😂😂
Scottie Pippen is 6-0 as well, is he as good as Michael or better than LeBron? Bill Russell has more rings than anyone does that make him the GOAT? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the most decorated basketball player of all time, is he the GOAT? Wilt Chamberlain holds more records than any other player in NBA history, does that make him the GOAT? The ring conversation is quite stupid because many of the top 75 greatest NBA players of all time haven't won a ring such as Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Patrick Ewing who all competed against the Bulls and came up short, but are considered all-time greats.
@@brandondickerson6795 why bring up someone who isn’t even in this conversation/post. I get that these days having an IQ above freezing temps is hard but we’re talking about lebron and his 60% losing percentage. Stay focused. I know it’s hard with the kind of a child.
@@MilesIzHigh5280 Your statement is stupid because you were using a boxing record of 4-6 to LeBron's 4-6 finals record. Basketball is more than rings to define someone's greatness. LeBron has surpassed Michael in many ways other than rings. In boxing, you can have an undefeated record of 6-0 beating bums or a record of 4-6 fighting decent boxers. In the NBA, you must compete against the best teams in the finals.
Towards the end of the video, did Lebron just mention all of the CLOTHING ASPECTS of what he did like MJ INSTEAD of actual ACHIEVEMENTS in the NBA THAT TRULY MATTER lol? Huh?🤔🤔🤔
That certainly sounds more reasonable than him proclaiming himself as the GOAT when his Cleveland team got lucky that Draymond Green was suspended which allowed them to beat the Warriors. He's right though in that he at least has put himself into a conversation (I wouldn't really call it a debate because Jordan is unquestionably the best basketball player to ever live) so that's an honor in itself.
Y’all bring all that up but if Lebron wasn’t on the team kyrie and the Cavs don’t win the chip, simple, kyrie wasn’t even making the playoffs before Bron came back, they needed him more than he needed them because Bron could have went anywhere else and won‼️💯🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@kannondeblasio718 I bring it up because LeBron said "that one right there made me the greatest player of all time". As if beating the dubs in 2016 was done on his own (Of course LeBron was the best player on the team) But the fact that he beat them once out of four tries in a row?? 2015, 2017 and 2018 you get your ass handed to you, but cuz you squeezed by them once in 2016 after Draymond n Curry missed serious game time, Not to mention Kyrie averaged almost 28 PPG for the series, all of a sudden that makes you the GOAT? It's not like he won 3 In a row, retired for 2 years, then came back and won another 3 in a row. After accomplishing something like that, anyone could say they're the greatest of all time And it wouldn't be such an egregious statement. You guys like to use all these numbers like how he is the most total points, most total assists, and has all these longevity records... But he also has the most turnovers, the most playoff missed field goals, most finals losses in NBA history with 33, The most playoff losses with 100. The 3rd most finals series defeats of all time with 6. Worst collapse by a franchise player in a finals series-LeBron James 2011 NBA finals. Especially when considering how heavily favored the Heat were. Worst meltdown in the last 60 seconds of a win or go home NBA finals game (game 6 of 2013 NBA finals vs Spurs) 5 possessions in the final minute. -First possession turnover -Second possession turnover -Third possession air ball 3 -4th possession rebound came back to him and sunk second 3 attempt -5th possession with the game clock off, down by 3, bricks the tie or go home final shot attempt. (And then Bosch reach back for the board kicked it out to Allen and made the greatest shot in finals history) So to sum it up, down only 1pt to San Antonio with 1 minute left LeBron had B2B turnovers, followed by an air ball triple attempt! Forget the missing the final shot, those three plays alone land him in that spot for worst meltdown in the final minute of a elimination finals game by a franchise player. I'm not even going to mention game one of the 2008 ECF game 1 vs Boston where he went 2-18FG with 10 turnovers. Nothing like that EVER happened to MJ in a finals series, and MJ never had one bad series in his 37 playoff series appearances. In fact he's 30-7 in the playoffs. Jordan's worst playoff game was in the 89 ECSF GM2 vs the Knicks where he only put up 15 pts. However for the series, he averaged 36.5/8.5/9.5 with 2.5 SPG. Scoring 40 PTS in 4 of the 6 games and taking out New York in 6. So when the lights shined the brightest, no matter how great or terrible his teammates played, Jordan ALWAYS showed up, and never ever choked! That's why LeBron can never be compared to 6 rings/6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVPs, 3 steals titles, 9 all NBA defensive first team honors, 11x leading the league in total points, all time regular season PPG leader and playoff PPG leader. Oh yeah and defensive player of the year. LeBron's missing a bunch of those.
@@Daveyboy_GolfR one out of four but he was short handed in 2015, 2017, 2018 GS added KD who was considered the second best player in the NBA if you ask me that was a sucker move by GS and KD which proves he put fear in GS heart, that was the only way they was going to beat Bron again, therefore who else was beating that gs line up with KD????????
Lebron always got Tom Brady name in his mouth. Tom Brady is 7-3. Lebron is 4 and 10 in the finals. TB ain't pick his teammates like Lebron do. MJ playing less years had a waay better career than lebron by far.
I have Leflop at best at 8, he will never surpass Tim Duncan !! 1. Michael Jordan 2. Bill Russell 3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Larry Bird 6. Kobe Bryant 7. Tim Duncan 8. Lebron James 9. Wilt Chamberlain 10. Shaquille O´Neil
Jordan simply is The goat with The statics, good pos moves and more. Hes won gold everytime in the olympic and is The best winner. Well jordan has a 33% from threes but dominates at mid-range shots. He got higher free throw percantages with over 80%. But tho Lebron is a very great player and many loves him but in my opinion, MJ dominates
Jordan is the GOAT, but I think Lebron is number 2. I think he could potentially catch MJ if he did some very amazing things his last years, but it would be almost impossible at his age. What do you mean by he realized that? Did you listen to this? He never agreed that MJ was the GOAT. He didn't say he was the GOAT either. He just didn't speak on it.
I don't know much about Mj when he played on the Wizards team. What were his stats during that season? And what are the stats of Lbj in his Lakers season? Does Mj dominate Lebron in every aspect?
It’s MJ and we are moving on lol. MJ is the gold standard. This dude was hyped up by corporate media for business purposes. He’s lucky to even be mentioned in the same breathe as Michael Jordan. They have to push this narrative for young NBA viewers, it does the NBA and all these sports networks no good having MJ viewed as the goat. They have to market LBJ like this to keep the NBA product generating as many views and dollars as possible. The NBA model is based on individual stars unlike the NFL which is team based. When your model is based on teams then you don’t have to rely so much on a individual player who at some point will no longer be around.
The fact that a wildly successful career like LeBron’s is still 2nd to Jordan should be all the indication that Jordan will remain the undisputed GOAT. The moment a player gets “too much help” to win a ring or doesn’t win a finals series + win finals MVP, they automatically are set below Jordan.
The GOAT wore #6. The ENTIRE League retired his NUMBER. Just because you’re too young and missed it changes nothing. And Bill Russell is WHY Wilt Chamberlain was so great.
What makes me mad is the people who make Jordan invincible and don’t accept Lebron is right there. You must accept it can go either way. Screw the championships when Lebron was the best player for 20 years.. longer than Jordan. Also.. better era. Way better. Better game.
@@Theemptythroneistaken 5 on 5… Jordan with the bulls team. Lebron with the very same bulls team (minus Jordan) give me Lebron. It’s close but I’ll take bron.
@wyattfriend7360 Doubtful guys much less physical than pippin have checked lebron in a era not designed to be kind to defensive players so putting lebron in MJ era is asking for lebron to get hurt.
Doctor J was the pioneer, the first player who took basketball to a spectacular level. Then, Magic and Larry began the great saga of rivalry in the NBA. Finally, Michael Jordan arrived, who elevated basketball to its highest expression, reaching levels that have not been reached since then. All the other "great players" who came after Jordan have done nothing to improve basketball, they are just copies or imitations (some of good quality, like Kobe and Lebron, but imitations). The day a better player than Jordan arrives, I will be there to say it, but for now, that player has not arrived.
The world knows that MJ is the GOAT and KB is the greatest Laker who played the game! Oh one more SC the greatesf shooter of all time is the most influential player after the MJ and kB era.
@@inf4mousvloglife1572 Facts, Lebron once admitted he was the GOAT. thats why he was critisized from upto now, the thing is he didn't even went close of his claim.. facts.
@@inf4mousvloglife1572 LJ is a great player but definitely NOT the GOAT. A future hall of famer. yes. LJ's fans arguements is his personal stats. the more they were wrong. LJ played longer, its a fact which ofcourse will transalate to higher stats. But higher stats does not necessarily equate to higher percentage atleast not with LJ.
Everyone knows Jordan is the goat besides Lebron. And the greatest quarterback is Tom Brady and he has 7 rings not 6. If Lebron would have just won 2 of the 6 finals he lost no one would have a problem labeling Lebron as the goat but he didn't so he's not.
Bro I told myself even tho I didn't like the move if get gets 4 straight in Miami which everyone thought they would I would start to consider that he might be the goat he only got 2 switch teams again stop playing defense and playing for a stat sheet throwing his teammates under the bus faking injuries and basically trying to convince the people he's the goat versus going out and just winning and letting the people decide completely killed his argument for me.
LeBron has been a great player for 20 years! He hasn’t always won but this man has been balling since he came into the league. That’s why fans, players, and the media talks about him ALL THE TIME.
@cooljohn6961 no he hasn't he had a decent rookie yea didn't shoot over 50 from the field for a season until they changed the rules an went to small yall be saying anything
@@jonoak oh no for sure I know bout Lebron not making it his first 2 years. I was just stating in his career jordan was swept too. Both have in they careers
Jordan lost too Detroit and Boston early yrs after his injury 2nd yr he won every yr after dat took a yr of and came back and won dats a whole 5to 6 yrs mj ruled da court no1 could stop him no1
Honestly, who was the hardest working goats, with numbers surpassing any pro-baller woth exposive power that be King james. Mj very flexible with high tempo athleticism. Remember ball hoggers don't win championship, it's team work that wins more championships. Both of them were both number #1 ball hoggers out of all pro- baller hoggers by 200%. Who the hardest working out of the best of both niggas. King James 🤴 #1 goat 🐐, why, this nigga got many years before shitting on any pro-baller that ever played the love of basketball 🏀 ❤ 💯
Watered down. I can tell you didn’t watch the teams with a terrific amount of talent battle it out in the 80s and 90s. MJ 6 rings , 6 Finals mvp, MJ 10 scoring titles = record (LJ = 1) MJ 9 all defensive 1st team selections = record (LJ = 5) MJ - career ppg = record With the court spacing and rule changes protecting the shooter, MJ would average 45ppg in todays NBA. I could go on. MJ was by far the best 2 way and complete player the NBA has ever seen.
@@robertmarking817 So I guess you think Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Scottie Pippen, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Gilbert Arenas, Bill Laimbeer all don't know anything about basketball and are liars?
@@robertmarking817 The talent wasnt as good back then. its only Bulls possible to win title every season. MJ would do serious damage in today's league when teamed with superstars. He will have some trouble against zone defense but he will lose finals as well. Kobe pretty much done what MJ did today, he won 2 rings outside of shaq and average like 25 ppg, as he get doubled teamed and trapped a lot forcing to pass ball away. Durant and Butler today may be similar shooter like MJ, only 2 rings Durant.
Everyone has their own defenition of what the GOAT is but shouldn't it be who has averaged the big 3 stats in basketball? Points, assists and reblunds? By that rationale Kareem is the GOAT
The reason we dont bring up Brady/Montana is cause Brady has 7. Cause there were huge arguments after Brady won his 5th, but after 6, people stopped. Now if he was stuck at 5, different story. 5 in 20 years or 4 in 13 years?
the conversation will never end because a lot of the lebron fans has never watched MJ live and see his dominanve against the best players the game has ever seen....but followed the whole life of lebron and seeing him dominating the league for years in a weak 2000s era.... thats the reason
First, It was mj vs magic. Then mj vs Kobe. Then mj vs lebron. There will be more comparisons. Mj is the gold standard for greatness in sports. It’s just how it is.
Updated!!! GOAT debate should be between MJ/Kobe & Kareem or Bill unfortunately for Kobe he is the MJ of 2000s but he is def the 2nd GOAT behind MJ followed by Kareem/Bill/Wilt. The social media of 2010s and the present help LeFlop existences like his superstars teammates and superteams. But, LeBron shouldn't even in the debate, the last 5 years, he was just chasing stats with his super teams. He has to join 3 different teams to win, in every 1st year of his new team he got beat up badly or missed the playoffs that in the 2nd year of his every teams, he has to trade most of if not eveyrone for new superstars ans veteran allstars of his sights like. His Lakers tenure isn't something to convince for GOAT debate, 1st y3ar missed playoffs, 2nd year hebhas to trad eevryone to get AD and guys he wants, AD won them that championship while Lebron cherry picking stats, 3rd got beat up and blamed eveyrone and this year, he supposed to be outbof the seaon as he suad he has injuries or whatever but when he sees Dlo/AD/Reavs and the co. winning games, Lebron suddebly hurried to comeback and healthy again to play, every wins he take all the credits for himself, every loses its AD/Dlo/Hams fault. 2013-14 he got beat uo badly by the Spurs but luckily for him, Allen saves them from gettunf beat up but 2014, spurs destroyed themm 2015, with all those trades they got beat up hy young and inexperienced warriors. 2016, he has to tradeagain including his coach and saved again by another teammates (oh his blocks) lebron is good for 2nd or 3rd help defende which include that blocks, hebia no good perimeter or 1 on1 defender, hebis good for 2nd or 3rd help defense. Anyway, that 2016 was a disaster for warriors but why the Lebronsexual fans goat has to be down 3-1???? Kyrie has to be the Batman while Lebron picking stats until Cavs cameback and Kyrie hit that game winning shots.
2018 cavs? That cavs was still stacked and better that the younger teams in East. 2019? Lebron was cherry picking and injured when Lakers wasn't making the playoffs.
Jesus, Lebronsexual fans will say, hebis goat cause he won 3 rings for 3 teams? What a stupid narrative, he won 3 rings from 3 different teams because he cant win a championship with 1 team in his 1st year and has to trade every assets they have to get superstas and to have superteam to win a ring. While MJ Kobe stayed onlynfor 1 team and win morenring with less years than Lebron. Lebron has to stat pad more for GOAT conversion. He messed up the Lakers offense in this years playoffs. Dlo/Shroeder/Beasley/Vanderbilt and AD became barely scored and has to lower theirbgames for Lebrons sake and to be able for Lebron to be rellevant in Lakers offense. Cause if you take out the ball from Lebrons hand, he is irrelevant. AD can score/Reaves and Dlo was doing good when Lebron was about to expire.
Jesus, we should do the debate between, MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Bird. Lebron fpr aure is a top 10 due to his stats and 20 years of playing, but GOAT? He isn't even in top 5 debate.
LeFlop Lakers Tenure.
2019 Missed Playoffs
2020 Bubble ring (AD to the rescue).
2021 1st round exit.
2022 Missed playoffs
2023 WCF swept
2024 Swept in 1st round exit.
2025 Missed Playoffs, Blamed his 7th coaches and traded 5 players.
@@euwonder6170ey man you don't need to write an essay to prove your point
@@NarutoUzumaki-og1ge Ohhh, that's alright Lebronsexual fans are mostly uneducated Imbeciles and they need to be enlighten. They seems getting worst everytime Lebron loses badly. They find and make excuses for LeSwept sake.
@@euwonder6170 LeBron is an explosive type of player but neve a goat. Similar to what Shawn Kemp used to be.
@@euwonder6170bro you just have to be delusional to think kobe is close to jordan or bron 😭
The fact that everybody is compared to MJ makes him the GOAT
No just because people try to and fail to compare drake and Michael Jackson doesn’t mean that Michael Jackson isn’t the goat and will always be the goat.
@@dzy3030 You actually just supported his point. Everyone compares new artists to Michael Jackson because Jackson is the GOAT...the same as Jordan.
@@gerald5175 hes in denial brother don't bother
@@Ap.exzy1 There seems to be a lot of that these days. Lol...
@@dzy3030 Kobe and mj is top two goats 🐐 🐐
Everyone want to be Mike, everyone wanted to compare someone to Mike. MJ is the pinnacle of this sport, he is the blueprint an idol.
Everybody wanted to be like dr j.
That doesn’t make dr j the best or even top 3.
Jordan stole dr j’s moves and dunks.
What you talking bout willis.
Lebron is the goat.
Kobe is 2nd
Kareem 3rd.
@@user-eb4xm9ck2xtroll 😂🤡
@@user-eb4xm9ck2x No one talks about Jordan stole moves from Dr. J is because, while Dr.J's move was absolutely insane and beautiful, Jordan made it even better. People talk about Kobe stealing move from MJ because Kobe did not advancing it. I would argue Jordan still has the most advanced and efficient moves of all time, despite players have been learning from him for 30 years. That's legacy.
And don't get me started with Lebron's move, if there is a ugliest move award I think he'd probably get it every year. The single person that has the ugliest move of all time.
And from your top3 clearly you need to see a doctor, brain damage is concerning but curable.
@@dawdle525
You hear yourself?
Same with kobe.
Jordan did it nice and kobe did it way better.
Kobe made it look prettier and smoother.
😂🫵🏼😂
Ofcourse the Jordan fan girls won’t admit to Jordan stealing dr j’s dunks, but he did.
Anyone with eyes seen and could see that.
Whether you feel Jordan made it look better, it’s still stolen.
Same way america was stolen and made better 😂🫵🏼😂
People don’t move on from MJ because MJs the best there is , there was , and ever will be.
Wilt had that discussion already - direct with MJ - and won.
Bret Hart
@@luisrizo8813he has the most wins in wef history apparently
Jordan wasn't the best. If thats the case he would have won before pippen.
@@144Souldier found the lebum
The media did a hell of a job "selling" the narrative that Lebron is part of a conversation he has no business being in, and comparing him to MJ is absolutely laughable. I still don’t understand how they’ve managed to trick so many people.
80 million of them....
Its the power of Klutch sports network doing all this propaganda. They even offered money to a coach for MVP vote for Lebron. The masses that dont know just eats up what theyre told.
You all are brain washed. Not everyone wakes up puts on their MJ boxers before they leave out the house. It’s subjective, MJ will never be the unanimous GOAT. No one can be
MJ was the goat, never was a question
He Close
@@hyperflame7255
MJ Goat stuff
10 x Topscorer. (Record)
Most trophies.
Most MVP Awards (Finals + Season)
Most points per game in the finals.
Most points per game in the playoffs.
Most points per game alltime.
The only player in 60 years with more than 3,000 points in a season.
Most efficient player (27,9)in the history.
Plus 3x steal leader
The first and only one player with MVP, DPOY and top scorer in a season.
The only player (with Pippen as far as the pure 3-peats are concerned) ) with 2 x 3-peat + 6 Finals MVP- (also record by the way)
Second 3-peat= 2 x MVP, 3 x Finals MVP, 3x Topscorer, 3 x All- Defense Team without missing a single game.
6:0 Finals win record
At the age of 35- NBA Champion, MVP, Finals MVP, Allstar Game MVP, All NBA First Team, All Defense First Team.
The only player (by a huge margin) who was top scorer 9 times and at the same time in the All Defense Team.
All of this in 12 seasons with the Bulls (86'only a few games due to a serious injury + 95' very late comeback only a few games=which doesn't even add up to half a season)
When he played as pointguard in March-April 89' (test) = 7 triple doubles in a row, 10 triple doubles from 11 games ( 33,6 Points average, 10,8 Rebounds average, 11,4 Assists average, 1,9 blocks average), 15 triple doubles total, in a few weeks.
@@hyperflame7255If "close" means far away, you're right.
Was? Is
@@Ilfenomeno-sp2hkit’s not the 90s no more 😂
Everybody who knows basketball says MJ and moves on.
Nope
Goat James.. trust it's opinionated
anyone over the age of 40, who wont accept brons the goat
@@aces4891u mad that jordan is world wide more of a goat than mj
Period
MJ23 is the GOAT... I m from Montenegro little country in balkan, man my mom knows who is Jordan in the 90s we are been in civil war, and every kid knows who Jordan is, without internet, social media and evreything...MJ is a basketball !!!
Thank you
Same same happened in my country Cuba in the 90's everybody knows who was Jordan, also the comunist government Didn't allow to watch any professional sports on national television
It's a point I always use to bring to the table
MJ was arguably the most famous person alive. lots of non-americans, mostly europeans because they think they're special, try to downplay that fact. say this soccer guy or that soccer guy. but no. sports, politics, acting, singing, doesn't matter. MJ was probably the most famous person on the planet for quite a while.
Yeah bro n I bet no one even know where the hell u from even is so yeah mj
Always knew MJ was the goat, never was a question
MJ's the GOAT the end
Lebron is the GOAT....look at who hes going up against.....Name ONE player Jordan had to go against Better than Steph Curry?..better than Durant?...Better than Derrick Rose(with the good knees)....Better than Kobe?....better than Damien Lillard?....etc....name someone better than Ja Morant bro
@@henreyberry5 Jordan played with Larry bird, Prime Kobe, Shaq, magic Johnson, Olajuwon, Drexler, etc. your acting like 90s nba are a joke but it’s not.
@@aiaiwjeheiqkwurhwjwkw9914 No never a joke. The 90's player evolved the game to what it is now...People are just scared to admit the talent has evolved also
@@henreyberry5 true but if you put modern players now back in the 90s with a bunch of the other 90s players the old rules. Most of those players wouldn’t even wanna consider playing basketball ever again. Not saying all but majority of them. 90s basketball was way different than it is now. If mj played in this era he would dominate the whole league
@@henreyberry5 no they didn’t players now are soft and lebrón will never be the goat with 6 losses in the finals and Jordan played against more all stars than lebrón.
The only reason why you keep hearing the conversation, is not because you are close to MJ. It’s because MJ sellsssssssssssssssssss. MJ is the reason media have success in their shows. When you retire, people will move on just like they do with baseball, hockie, football etc. MJ will be heard for ever. He is GOAT
That’s a lie bro.. there was no goat discussion with no damn Kobe Duncan or magic or Kareem. Tbh i don’t remember players careers getting judge so matter of factly while they were still playing before social media took over. Jordan had the benefit to retire unchallenged as the best cuz ppl remember 6 for 6 in the championship but he played 15 seasons lol at the end ppl are only looking at the totals but these players get judged on their career from a game to game perspective. Lebron is the only who has lived tried n failed n come out clean on the other end as the solo guy.
For all his “Allstar” teammates n team jumping 4 for 4 finals mvps n never was in question for losing one to a team mate so he didn’t get carried when he did win n didn’t beat any fluke teams to win.
@@TheDifferenceCHI”matter of factly” just stop it bro. Seriously! 💀💀💀
@@lionheart4529He Spittin Sum
Lebron is a better basketball player than Jordan
@@chickenuzumaki1771SHUT UP
MJ is the measure by which all others are compared, he is the Platinum standard because during the height of his prime, MJ had no rivals since the world understood he was #1, and the separation between #1 and #2 was a large chasm.
Who Was Jordan’s Hardest Competition In Your Opinion ?
@@hyperflame7255 The Legendary Celtics team with 5 Hall of Famers against MJ with Charles Oakley as their second best player.
@@Mentallect Thank You 🙏🏽 I’m Gatherings Opinions From Fans And In Your Opinion What Team Was LeBron’s Hardest Competition. ?
@@hyperflame7255 either KD Warriors or Mavs..
@@juliuscaesar6994 Yeah I’m Thinking The Same Most People Said The Warriors.
there isn't really a debate in Basketball either, whether lebron wants to admit it or not. MJ is the goat
He Close But Nah
It depends how you look at it now. I think LeBron had a better NBA career than Jordan (better longevity/sustained eliteness, just as popular, more salary earned, better all around stats) but what Jordan accomplished in 13 seasons and being near perfect in that span with very minimal Ls and setbacks makes him the greater player. It’s similar to how LeBron is a greater Laker than Fisher by accomplishing more within less time
@@BRBallin1 longevity is the only thing this due has on Jordan. Are you aware that Jordan made the NBA popular? Are you aware that the reason players get better salaries is because of jordan? Are you aware that the only stats that LeBron has on Jordan are cumulative stats? Which mean nothing cause Jordan only player 13 seasons. You are delusional my man
There is a debate. Ya'll do it everyday lol. That was the whole point
@@Rachis01 well, as much as the earth being round is a debate, there will always be numbnuts who keep saying otherwise. So much of a debate it is...
MJ IS GOAT FOREVER! He changed the entire game period and was everyone idol in the late 80’s into the 90’s! I still yearn to meet MJ
Not Forever In Fact Who Did He Face That Was His Hardest Competition In Your Opinion ?
@@hyperflame7255 so many....unless there comes an nba player, who did more than MJ,. then that would be the goat.
if indeed you are an NBA fan, and you watched games of the 80's and up to early 20's, you would know the very good players MJ has faced/encountered.
but the fact you are asking that question whom MJ faced, boy tells me you are just a young fellow....
do your own diligence so you would know why in the world, MJ"s "AIR JORDAN Brand sells 150 Million annually to this day, when he is retired 20 yrs ago...
you know who is the second, and its not even close, Le bron at 35 million annually...
here in asia and in europe, when you googled who is the goat, most cite tells you MJ.
the world knows who is the true goat.
@@micapalma9532 I Ain’t Jordan Wasn’t The Goat And I Didn’t Say LeBron Wasn’t Either Because Honestly There Will Never Be A Definitive Goat The Whole Debate Is Silly Since The Goat Means
The (Greatest Of All Time) It’s Pointless Really Time Is Infinite, So There Will Never Be A Definite Goat Since Someone Will Eventually Past Someone Else Thats Just How Sports And Records Work For Basketball And I Only Asked Who Was His Hardest Competition To Watch The Games In My Free Time.
Flame, to me the best competition he faced was before he won. Boston and Detroit. Winning years would be Pistons and Lakers in 91.
Swept the double champs like they never existed then outplayed Magic.
Isiah Thomas acts like what he did in 1990 is the greatest feat in history by beating Bird Jordan and Magic.
Then he claims that ONE year later, they were all old and past their prime. Ridiculous.
He doesn't give a shit about you and would probably charge you money for an autograph
LeBron DOES NOT say that MJ is the GOAT, like the caption states.
If only youtube could shutdown or ban a channel for clickbaiting or misleading the viewers
saved me couple minutes sir - thanks for your service.
I must have missed when Bron admitted MJ is the GOAT in this video, like the title claims.
MJ is the 🐐 PERIOD
Nah
@@TruSteppa YEAH WAY
@@TruSteppa whose your goat 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@frankiefernandez9225 You probably wasn’t even born to watch MJ play 🤣🤣🤣yall just go with flow what people say nowadays
@@TruSteppa I was born in 1968 🤣🤣🤣 MJ IS THE GOAT…..WHOSE YOUR GOAT ANSWER THE QUESTION STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Prime mj was at a different level. Less time and he had much more
Who Was Jordan’s Hardest Competition In Your Opinion. ?
@@hyperflame7255 For sure the Bad Boy Pistons who physically beat him up. Mike actually started to work out to handle the abuse. Then a bigger and badder Michael went on to beat the Pistons.
@@skarath they were old bro. he didnt beat them in their prime. same as the celtics with bird.
@StormS2N, “old”? Good one 😂. When Jordan beat the Pistons in the 1990-1991 post-season, the Pistons starting lineup had a 29 year old Rodman (All-NBA First team defense; Defensive player of the year) and a 27 year old Dumars (All-NBA Third team; All-NBA Second team defense). So, two guys under 30 years old who were top-3 in their position. Plus a 30 year old NBA All-Star in Isiah Thomas.
They also had just won the previous chip. Old my ass
MJ will always be the GOAT.
Fax!
Michael Jordan was never the goat all you are wrong monkey
Nah
The whole era thing is why LeBron will never get looked at as better than MJ. 80s and 90s basketball was GRITTY, PHYSICAL, AND AGGRESSIVE! The NBA of today is like FOULS GALORE... over everything
💯 Today era is weak overall, In the 80/90 they wouldn’t call for 90% of the fouls nowdays. It’s disgusting how weak this sport becomes… Actually it’s so soft that we can see players actually not playing really defence and “trying” because they know the consequences… which all the better 3p shooters taking advantage nowdays.
I really can see this game in the next decade going to the only 3p route with how weak it’s becoming.
@@callmeshen9754I advise you to rewatch some 90s games and take off your nostalgia glasses. Illegal defense rules made it near impossible to double team non driving players and nearly every shot 10ft+ out went uncontested.
Didn’t LeBron Beat The Warriors ?
There were literally more fouls in the 80s-90s per game than today... by far lol
Accomplishments aside, MJ changed the game, culture & world with his influence and impact. You can't ever erase that and what he did for everyone growing up. We have something intrinsically that makes MJ special.
If Lebron came before him, Lebron would've done the same. Lebron was already a lot of attention since highschool
@@BoyDanny93 no he wouldn't have. LeBron wouldn't have an identity to follow. 90% of LeBron's identity is off of copying/following MJ. MJ was literally the perfect storm. The look, flashy style, number 23, dunks, high flying, sneakers, mental, perfect team for marketing. Everything was perfect for him to be the man he is today, LeBron wouldn't have been able to do what MJ did.
Most of us don't hate his game. We appreciate LBJ . ( I am a fan since his rookie years , specifically the time he was facing Howard and nelson , pitrues ) I still remember the buzzer beater of the king " Cavs vs Orlando " man . ( I cheer for him too , before I became a hater )
Once he admits that he is not the Goat. He will earn the respect that he deserves.
@Low Murph how people are hating on him he can't even take a team to the finals Kobe is way better than ham
The respect he deserves?Who are you?
@@insmileyfacemur4242u just proved his point. u are a hater.
@@lowmurph3575fax
@@wrsir5765what are you talking about.
The funny part is LeBron HIMSELF has NEVER disrespected or given anything other than respect for the role he's played in his life. The media created the division between lebron and mj. But what's great about lebron is n he doesn't have to put nobody down to uplift himself. And MFs HATE IT! 😂😂😂Without disrespecting Jordan, he passed him in scoring. Without disrespecting Jordan, LeBron passed him in assist. Without disrespect, he passed Jordan in rebounds. The man had never said a bad word about Jordan and given him the utmost respect. The only way people can be disrespectful about lebron is because they're idol has been made human because video evidence exist. Thank God ive been alive to see the failures and short comings that Jordan had! Otherwise i would be on the disrespect wagon that most stans are on
We don’t at all. Lebron is an extraordinary world class talent. He’s a worthy number 2. No one is disrespecting Lebron by citing him as the second greatest of all time. I don’t remember Jordan ever saying a bad word about Lebron?
Not sure what your point is there.
The reason for me that it’s not really a conversation is there are five honours a player strives for every year.
Defensive first team
Scoring title
MVP
Championship
Finals MVP
Only one player ever, in the history of the NBA, won all five honours in a single year.
And Jordan did it 4 freaking Times!!!!
Bird didn’t do it. Wilt didn’t do it. Magic didn’t. Steph didn’t. And Lebron never did it. None of them even did it once.
Only Michael Jeffrey Jordan…4 times.
@@gerald5175 Those are awards based on popularity.
@@sholovesholove4620 You could simply tell me you don't know anything about Basketball.
@@gerald5175😂😂😂
@@wretchwalker2991 Yeah, I thought it was funny when he made that ridiculous a remark. There's no shortage of ignorance on TH-cam Bball comment sections.
I respect Lebron, it is a privilege to be just mentioned among the greatest, because he is one of the greatest without a doubt.
C'mon dude,Joe Montana won 4 Superbowls,not five.How could you not know that? 🤔
He is showing greatness outside of just basket ball… great character!!!
Lol
No one says “Babe Ruth is the best baseball player 😂😂. Not even close.
I'm sure they said it before Lou Gherig came along.
“You never hear the greatest quarterbacks talked about…..” WHAT?!?!? Has Lebron been under a sports-talk rock for the last 5 years of TOM BRADY’S CAREER???? Has he seriously not ever heard a Brady/Montana debate???? Not one?!?!???
“Warren Moon!” 😂
He meant comparing wise, in a vacuum. Listen to it again.
@@billj4525And so did I……your point?
MJ all day ❤
He didn’t at all say mj was the goat in this video
Lebron did not admit in this video that Jordan was the goat
So many of these idiots in the comments didn't even watch the video. They're commenting as if he said that lol. MJ is the GOAT though, but don't comment on a video that you didn't watch, makes you look stupid.
Exactly. They have hearing aids on 😅
That was a humble response... for a change 😂😂😂
Funny thing is, he's been saying this for a long time, people just ignore it because they hate him
@@kaya856 he already said it many times that his goat is MJ. Stpd.
@@kaya856 Relax man. Try to pay more attention and be more realistic, and this is coming from someone who thinks MJ is the GOAT.
Mj looked up to Dr.J doesnt mean he's the goat.
Only one player in NBA history has ever been ALL DEFENSE, won the SCORING TITLE, won the MVP,
won the CHIP, and won the FINALS MVP IN THE SAME YEAR!!!
ONLY ONE!!! AND JORDAN DID THAT 4 TIMES!!! 4 FREAKING TIMES!!!
No one will ever do that.
Yeah because MJ is humble Guy Nott like Bron arrogance.
Jordan stans are funny
@@sholovesholove4620 even your statement also is funny.
@@sholovesholove4620 Lebron casuals are full of…something.
Jordan spent his time on defense. He was a god because he showed great offensive power in that era.
In modern times, there is no hand check, making it easy to attack.
You can't compare based on stats alone. If he existed in his prime under modern rules, he would be able to score incredible points. And he'll probably beat up LeBron or whatever.
They cant be compared. They’re in two different eras and play two different positions. Makes no sense.
He is a great role model and one of the greatest basketball players.what else is there
@@kaya856cap
Lebron is obviously the superior player. He can do everything Jordan can and more. Name the Steph Curry that MJ has to play against. Not meant to be answered btw. A shooter like Curry didn’t exist back then. The rules of basketball may have changed but the players today are faster and stronger than back in the day. The pool of talent is much larger as well because there are way more international players in NBA. A larger pool of players will give you more skill so it’s King James who was playing in a tougher league.
Jordan and the Bulls were the Juggernaut! That’s the thing! They were the team to beat! In the NBA 80’s was tough football style of basketball 90’s was just as tough. Today 2023 Shaq said it best! “This is the cupcake league”🎤💧
@@robertm.serrato258 old cats always hate on those who come after. Look at boomers and how they hate on millennials non-stop. And nah it’s the other way around. There is a much larger pool of players so statistically we would have a tougher NBA because of the rise in talent. It’s also stupid to imply that the game just stopped evolving after the 90s. Players can’t even play the way they used too because rules have changed.
Also we can just look at the stats and efficiency of the players then and now (take the average) and you’ll come to conclusion that this is a more skillful league in every way
@@connerwhite5351 guy, just like the Golden State Warriors dominated the league in todays NBA. The Bulls, of the 90’s, The Pistons of the 80’s, the Lakers, and the Boston Celtics would absolutely slide right in. Don’t forget it was those guys before that made the league. And Jordan would annihilate in 2023! 🎤💧
@@robertm.serrato258 no he wouldn’t. Just look at the shooting efficiency of today’s players. It’s absolutely delusional to say the game has not evolved. You’re only logical argument can be to say the defense is not what it was. 1. The rules have changed. 2. Look at both errors in regards to wide open shots 3. There were not a large amount of players hitting 3s like today 4. There is a much larger POOL of players the NBA has to choose from.
You cannot get past these facts. You MJ fanboys are delusional. Btw I’m not actually a Lebron fan. I can’t stand floppers
@@connerwhite5351 Fan boys? Guy, that makes the majority of the people Jordan Fan boys! And yes, MJ would dominate today. The only evolution the game has today is the three ball. If Jordan played today he would absolutely develop his three ball. Yes, I am a Jordan Fan. He is the standard of greatness. Any era! 🎤💧
The greatest QB discussion was a debate regularly had among sports fans. Montana was considered the best until Brady went way past him. And now the media has throw Mahomes into that convo which I find silly. Montana won 4 super bowls and Brady won 7. Mahomes is still obviously playing but he's only won 2. He has not surpassed Montana yet.
Don't forget Joe Mantegna.
Some fans said that both LeBron and Jordan are greatest player....but the haters will find ways to crytize 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
MJ is the GOAT because of....
offensive skills,
defensive skills,
personal achievements,
team achievements,
artistry,
he invented moves,
mentality,
loyalty,
series of epic highlights,
techincal impact on the court,
emotional impact outside the court,
personal aura,
legacy
... etc ... etc ..
Lebron is phenomenal,
but in basketball we saw the perfection
Who Did MJ Face ?
@@hyperflame7255 Magic Johnson, Larey Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Barkley, Shaq, Stockton&Amlone, Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, Reggie Miller, Drexler, etc. etc.
he was the best in the generation of the best ones
@@tm75_88he never won against Larry or Magic in their prime lol the Lakers were done, Kareem was gone and Byron was hurt. Larry was hurt. Barkley was literally by himself, drex is not a superstar, and Penny was hurt when they played Orlando, the year Mike came back, they actually put the bulls out of the playoffs
Everybody wanted to be like Mike, I don’t see that happening with Lebron.
Yeah exactly.
That’s because you can’t be like LeBron. Nobody will ever be like him. Kobe showed you can emulate MJ but with LeBron?…pffft
@@truenorth8414 Yeah sure, that's the reason why nobody wants to be like Lebron. 😂
@@truenorth8414 No body Flopping like Bron does Hahaha clown Lebron.
@@victorsuarez3 That’s because nobody can be like LeBron. Not one player can do the shit he has been for 20 years. Him and Shaq are two types of players you’ll never see again.
We're talking about a guy that never had to figure it out. A guy that college could not hold him. A guy that didnt have to have any great coach. He came out smoking, year 1 day 1. Yes, Jordan's 6 years of dominace is unmatched. But Lebron has been dominant for at least 20 with harder competition.
Harder competition? In a league designed to protect the attacker I don't think so.
@@Theemptythroneistaken If you think Malone & Stockton are better than Kevin Durant & Steph you need to stop talking basketball & stay on the sidelines.
@FreedomRyda2010 It's about synergy as a team my friend you best believe that no amount of skills as an individual can beat a team who can and have 6 NBA titles.
@FreedomRyda2010 There's a reason they have never lost a final maybe you have forgotten.
@@Theemptythroneistaken 😂 If you think any of those Bulls teams was beating the 17-18 Warriors you don't know Basketball. Jazz took MJ to 6 games. GS would have beat those Bulls in 6.
I said the same thing. This a lebron hate. Love Jordan thing. It’s like. They diss Crawford accomplishments because the love of Spence
Jordan brings the "I" in we WIN in TEAM not only in basketball outside of basketball, baseball, student, master, father, son, good person. Even Jordan is humble, who because of his airness's example, I want to strive to be my best regardless of task. Task you coach Jordan. I consider you the living Dean Smith and Bobby Knight in ONE Jordan.
Fr He Was Great Gotta Give To LB Tho
Whether he agrees or not JORDAN Is the GOAT.
LOVE FROM NIGERIA
Nah He Close Though
Forgot to add shithole
Mj fans say they hate bron cause "he wont admit mjs better" but shit ton of player in history said they were the the greatest so whats the real reason yall hate bron. The reason is cause u guys are scared of his legacy and we all know who has the bettee career and who played in a yougher era
Exactly. Jordan wasn't good until college. Bron been phenom since 16 fool. Jordan's brother was better in college. Do your research
I never heard him say Jordan was the goat
Lebron vs Jordan shouldn’t be the conversation it should be Lebron vs Larry and we all know who was better 😁
Somethings wrong with your opinion if you don't have MJ in the top 2 of GOATS.
Lmfao what MJ wrecks both
Not a surprise, 95% of earth acknowledges that Jordan is the goat by far. LeBron is not even better than Kareem.
Lebron is the goat and the next time I hear Jordan the goat then this world will be over
@@moat21 LeChoke is 3.5 rings out of 10 tries... he's a loser who loses nonstop to everyone. Grow a brain.
Do you take medication for mental illness?
Lebron is humble & obviously isnt gonna say himself lmfao he already gets enough hate & knows what a comment like that would bring, he knows his resume speaks for itself he outdid jordan in every aspect & only 2 rings off bc jordan was ona superteam for that time of nba lmao jordan didnt bring no ring to the wizards lebron won everywhere hes been without the super help besides the heat which he still carried massively, 40 years old almost still as great as when he entered the nba, jordan isnt the goat on the court & especially off the court, goat of his era maybe but not of all time, thats lebron
Say thus truthful shit sur. Preach to these UNEDUCATED OPINIONATED FOOLS
Jordon said it best when he said he never played against the likes if Bill Russel or Wilt Chamberlain. He never played against these amazing players, so in his mind, how can anyone vbe considered the GOAT. We get it Mike! But, you are the GOAT!!!!
Nah But He Close
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Gretsky's dominance was HUGE enough nobody else can even come close.
Some sports there is no reason for a debate, as there's no real compititon who was the greatest.
He absolutely did not say Jordan was the GOAT anywhere in this clip.
MJ dominated on BOTH ends of the court. Dude was 1st team All defense 10 years. I will say this about LeBron- you have to be committed to staying in shape for 20+ years and not have a prolonged injury that takes you off the court like Kobe Achilles or MJ broken bone in his foot. With all of the wear and tear on his body, the games and the minutes he has played- that is phenomenal.
The fact there is a debate about MJ and LeBron is a testament to LeBron. I look at all the intangibles before I look at there stats. Yes Jordan has all these different accolades...but so does LeBron...so my intangibles start with LeBron didn't have his dad or brother to push him...he never played for a college hall of fame coach ...and third most important to me...he has had to deal with a loud mouth African American journalist who has criticized his eveery game since he came into the league. MJ never had to deal with social media...ever...now someone tell me MJ career would have been the same if social media was going on in the '90s...💯
Jordan didnt face a super team
I don’t even know why it’s a debate for .mj is the goat period
and not just for what he did and stats but he single handedly made the NBA more relevant
@@kcidd12 yea that’s has a little something to do with it but man the accomplishments and not just that how mj played the game .you go watch some of the games and compare them to todays game it’s not comparable.mj played in a harder more physical game .lebron would quit he’s done it before and the defense wasn’t like back then
Lebron literally lost 60% of the Finals he played in. Nothing about a 60% losing percentage says 🐐 Name another 🐐 in any sport who has lost more rings than he has won. You can’t and there’s a reason for that. He’s not the 🐐 never has been and never will be. A parachute that only opens up 40% of the time is a shitty parachute. The same can be said for a basketball player who only wins 40% of his championships that he’s played in. A boxer with a 4-6 record in title fights would get laughed at trying to claim best boxer in the world 😂😂
Scottie Pippen is 6-0 as well, is he as good as Michael or better than LeBron? Bill Russell has more rings than anyone does that make him the GOAT? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the most decorated basketball player of all time, is he the GOAT? Wilt Chamberlain holds more records than any other player in NBA history, does that make him the GOAT? The ring conversation is quite stupid because many of the top 75 greatest NBA players of all time haven't won a ring such as Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Patrick Ewing who all competed against the Bulls and came up short, but are considered all-time greats.
@@brandondickerson6795 why bring up someone who isn’t even in this conversation/post. I get that these days having an IQ above freezing temps is hard but we’re talking about lebron and his 60% losing percentage. Stay focused. I know it’s hard with the kind of a child.
@@MilesIzHigh5280 Your statement is stupid because you were using a boxing record of 4-6 to LeBron's 4-6 finals record. Basketball is more than rings to define someone's greatness. LeBron has surpassed Michael in many ways other than rings. In boxing, you can have an undefeated record of 6-0 beating bums or a record of 4-6 fighting decent boxers. In the NBA, you must compete against the best teams in the finals.
@@MilesIzHigh5280 You also have really poor grammar. Stay off the internet!
@@MilesIzHigh5280 bc they are lebrón fan boys and can’t refute your argument..!!
Towards the end of the video, did Lebron just mention all of the CLOTHING ASPECTS of what he did like MJ INSTEAD of actual ACHIEVEMENTS in the NBA THAT TRULY MATTER lol? Huh?🤔🤔🤔
LBJ never said he was the goat in this clip..shameful!
That certainly sounds more reasonable than him proclaiming himself as the GOAT when his Cleveland team got lucky that Draymond Green was suspended which allowed them to beat the Warriors. He's right though in that he at least has put himself into a conversation (I wouldn't really call it a debate because Jordan is unquestionably the best basketball player to ever live) so that's an honor in itself.
Don't forget Kyrie averaged over 27 PPG in that 2016 finals series. LeBron acts like he did it on his own
Y’all bring all that up but if Lebron wasn’t on the team kyrie and the Cavs don’t win the chip, simple, kyrie wasn’t even making the playoffs before Bron came back, they needed him more than he needed them because Bron could have went anywhere else and won‼️💯🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@Daveyboy_GolfRLebron paved the way for Kyrie duhhh
@@kannondeblasio718 I bring it up because LeBron said "that one right there made me the greatest player of all time".
As if beating the dubs in 2016 was done on his own (Of course LeBron was the best player on the team) But the fact that he beat them once out of four tries in a row?? 2015, 2017 and 2018 you get your ass handed to you, but cuz you squeezed by them once in 2016 after Draymond n Curry missed serious game time, Not to mention Kyrie averaged almost 28 PPG for the series, all of a sudden that makes you the GOAT?
It's not like he won 3 In a row, retired for 2 years, then came back and won another 3 in a row. After accomplishing something like that, anyone could say they're the greatest of all time And it wouldn't be such an egregious statement.
You guys like to use all these numbers like how he is the most total points, most total assists, and has all these longevity records... But he also has the most turnovers, the most playoff missed field goals, most finals losses in NBA history with 33, The most playoff losses with 100.
The 3rd most finals series defeats of all time with 6.
Worst collapse by a franchise player in a finals series-LeBron James 2011 NBA finals. Especially when considering how heavily favored the Heat were.
Worst meltdown in the last 60 seconds of a win or go home NBA finals game (game 6 of 2013 NBA finals vs Spurs)
5 possessions in the final minute. -First possession turnover
-Second possession turnover
-Third possession air ball 3
-4th possession rebound came back to him and sunk second 3 attempt
-5th possession with the game clock off, down by 3, bricks the tie or go home final shot attempt. (And then Bosch reach back for the board kicked it out to Allen and made the greatest shot in finals history)
So to sum it up, down only 1pt to San Antonio with 1 minute left LeBron had B2B turnovers, followed by an air ball triple attempt!
Forget the missing the final shot, those three plays alone land him in that spot for worst meltdown in the final minute of a elimination finals game by a franchise player.
I'm not even going to mention game one of the 2008 ECF game 1 vs Boston where he went 2-18FG with 10 turnovers.
Nothing like that EVER happened to MJ in a finals series, and MJ never had one bad series in his 37 playoff series appearances.
In fact he's 30-7 in the playoffs.
Jordan's worst playoff game was in the 89 ECSF GM2 vs the Knicks where he only put up 15 pts.
However for the series, he averaged 36.5/8.5/9.5 with 2.5 SPG. Scoring 40 PTS in 4 of the 6 games and taking out New York in 6.
So when the lights shined the brightest, no matter how great or terrible his teammates played, Jordan ALWAYS showed up, and never ever choked!
That's why LeBron can never be compared to 6 rings/6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVPs, 3 steals titles, 9 all NBA defensive first team honors, 11x leading the league in total points, all time regular season PPG leader and playoff PPG leader.
Oh yeah and defensive player of the year.
LeBron's missing a bunch of those.
@@Daveyboy_GolfR one out of four but he was short handed in 2015, 2017, 2018 GS added KD who was considered the second best player in the NBA if you ask me that was a sucker move by GS and KD which proves he put fear in GS heart, that was the only way they was going to beat Bron again, therefore who else was beating that gs line up with KD????????
its because James has the most physical gifts. but Jordan got it done everytime always. he's a killer and the best.
MJ was lowkey physically gifted too bro had the hand size of a man a foot taller than him.
@@geckoed132 Well Jordans athleticism was basically unmatched. Him and Lebron both actually.
@@billj4525 yeah no disrespect to lebron either obv
The background comments 🤣 😂 💀
Clearly he didn't try everything. He didn't try to play defense, and he never tried taking the blame when his team loses.
Lebron always got Tom Brady name in his mouth. Tom Brady is 7-3. Lebron is 4 and 10 in the finals. TB ain't pick his teammates like Lebron do. MJ playing less years had a waay better career than lebron by far.
Then, good for you
MJ is the goat he knows it lebron listening to the world
You never hear it about Bret Hart. It's just known that he's "The Best There is, the Best There Was, and The Best There Ever Will Be.".
Not once did he admit Jordan was the goat 🤷🏻♂️
I have Leflop at best at 8, he will never surpass Tim Duncan !!
1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Lebron James
9. Wilt Chamberlain
10. Shaquille O´Neil
Jordan simply is The goat with The statics, good pos moves and more. Hes won gold everytime in the olympic and is The best winner. Well jordan has a 33% from threes but dominates at mid-range shots. He got higher free throw percantages with over 80%. But tho Lebron is a very great player and many loves him but in my opinion, MJ dominates
Dude really just completely lied in his video title to get clicks lol
Rational people know this isn't a conversation
I guess he now realize he can't caught Jordan. Even if he said he the GOAT.... people say Jordan is the GOAT.
Jordan is the GOAT, but I think Lebron is number 2. I think he could potentially catch MJ if he did some very amazing things his last years, but it would be almost impossible at his age. What do you mean by he realized that? Did you listen to this? He never agreed that MJ was the GOAT. He didn't say he was the GOAT either. He just didn't speak on it.
I like how Jefferson started out putting words in Lebrons mouth.
I don't know much about Mj when he played on the Wizards team.
What were his stats during that season? And what are the stats of Lbj in his Lakers season?
Does Mj dominate Lebron in every aspect?
It’s MJ and we are moving on lol. MJ is the gold standard. This dude was hyped up by corporate media for business purposes. He’s lucky to even be mentioned in the same breathe as Michael Jordan. They have to push this narrative for young NBA viewers, it does the NBA and all these sports networks no good having MJ viewed as the goat. They have to market LBJ like this to keep the NBA product generating as many views and dollars as possible. The NBA model is based on individual stars unlike the NFL which is team based. When your model is based on teams then you don’t have to rely so much on a individual player who at some point will no longer be around.
The fact that a wildly successful career like LeBron’s is still 2nd to Jordan should be all the indication that Jordan will remain the undisputed GOAT. The moment a player gets “too much help” to win a ring or doesn’t win a finals series + win finals MVP, they automatically are set below Jordan.
The GOAT wore #6. The ENTIRE League retired his NUMBER. Just because you’re too young and missed it changes nothing.
And Bill Russell is WHY Wilt Chamberlain was so great.
What makes me mad is the people who make Jordan invincible and don’t accept Lebron is right there. You must accept it can go either way. Screw the championships when Lebron was the best player for 20 years.. longer than Jordan. Also.. better era. Way better. Better game.
1v1 prime for prime no jordan wins it doesn't go either way the man was built for 1v1.
@@Theemptythroneistaken 5 on 5… Jordan with the bulls team. Lebron with the very same bulls team (minus Jordan) give me Lebron. It’s close but I’ll take bron.
@wyattfriend7360 bro that pitbull team comes from an era brons lakers team wouldn't even be top 5 in due to the defensive side back then being brutal.
@@Theemptythroneistaken lol well the more physical, the more we can be sure that Lebron is coming out on top 💯
@wyattfriend7360 Doubtful guys much less physical than pippin have checked lebron in a era not designed to be kind to defensive players so putting lebron in MJ era is asking for lebron to get hurt.
MJ is the GOAT, no questions ask! He never claimed to be GOAT, everyone else did.
Of course. Neither of them claim it. This is a fan discussion.
@@billj4525mj literally said he's the goat
"Payton and Brady but then Brady started winning more".... So comparisons stopped with WINS...
Doctor J was the pioneer, the first player who took basketball to a spectacular level. Then, Magic and Larry began the great saga of rivalry in the NBA. Finally, Michael Jordan arrived, who elevated basketball to its highest expression, reaching levels that have not been reached since then. All the other "great players" who came after Jordan have done nothing to improve basketball, they are just copies or imitations (some of good quality, like Kobe and Lebron, but imitations). The day a better player than Jordan arrives, I will be there to say it, but for now, that player has not arrived.
The world knows that MJ is the GOAT and KB is the greatest Laker who played the game! Oh one more SC the greatesf shooter of all time is the most influential player after the MJ and kB era.
Facts.. did Bron bring their top
Tiers in his name? Nah.. I don't think so.
@@inf4mousvloglife1572 Facts, Lebron once admitted he was the GOAT. thats why he was critisized from upto now, the thing is he didn't even went close of his claim.. facts.
@@jemai15 the person who say Bron is Hall of Fame is idiot even hall of Fame management didn't credit Bron as a hall of Fame.
@@jemai15 plus who's the team in 2000's till 2020 got 3peat only once Kobe did.
@@inf4mousvloglife1572 LJ is a great player but definitely NOT the GOAT. A future hall of famer. yes. LJ's fans arguements is his personal stats. the more they were wrong. LJ played longer, its a fact which ofcourse will transalate to higher stats. But higher stats does not necessarily equate to higher percentage atleast not with LJ.
Everyone knows Jordan is the goat besides Lebron. And the greatest quarterback is Tom Brady and he has 7 rings not 6. If Lebron would have just won 2 of the 6 finals he lost no one would have a problem labeling Lebron as the goat but he didn't so he's not.
Bro I told myself even tho I didn't like the move if get gets 4 straight in Miami which everyone thought they would I would start to consider that he might be the goat he only got 2 switch teams again stop playing defense and playing for a stat sheet throwing his teammates under the bus faking injuries and basically trying to convince the people he's the goat versus going out and just winning and letting the people decide completely killed his argument for me.
Well said.
LeBron has been a great player for 20 years! He hasn’t always won but this man has been balling since he came into the league. That’s why fans, players, and the media talks about him ALL THE TIME.
@cooljohn6961 no he hasn't he had a decent rookie yea didn't shoot over 50 from the field for a season until they changed the rules an went to small yall be saying anything
I think u need to go look up LeBron’s career and then come back. I think u r misinformed.
As a Kobe’s fan
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
LeBron was the one who put that conversation in everyone's mouth,and totally skipped over Kobe
Jordan was NEVER swept
He did get swept
@@kinghasan9028his first 2 years but LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 years both ls for both players in my opinion
@@jonoak oh no for sure I know bout Lebron not making it his first 2 years. I was just stating in his career jordan was swept too. Both have in they careers
Jordan lost too Detroit and Boston early yrs after his injury 2nd yr he won every yr after dat took a yr of and came back and won dats a whole 5to 6 yrs mj ruled da court no1 could stop him no1
@Chris Sanca jr he never got sweep in the conference finals tho lebron has 😂😂
Micheal jordan....move on!!
Honestly, who was the hardest working goats, with numbers surpassing any pro-baller woth exposive power that be King james. Mj very flexible with high tempo athleticism. Remember ball hoggers don't win championship, it's team work that wins more championships. Both of them were both number #1 ball hoggers out of all pro- baller hoggers by 200%. Who the hardest working out of the best of both niggas. King James 🤴 #1 goat 🐐, why, this nigga got many years before shitting on any pro-baller that ever played the love of basketball 🏀 ❤ 💯
Preach! My brother
He's a fan of the game like everyone else so why are MJ fans always in their feelings 😂
They get extremely insecure whenever Lebron gets mentioned for some strange reason
MJ goat all day
Missing the point. This is. MAASSIVE disrespect to kobe
But they say this man anit humble
He wanted the GOAT title so bad he and his friends remade the SpaceJam. 😂😅😂
And it was better that mjs wack movie
Lebron James is the GOAT. MJ did everything in a watered-down league with weaker competition, and the Illegal Defense Rule making it easier to score.
Watered down. I can tell you didn’t watch the teams with a terrific amount of talent battle it out in the 80s and 90s.
MJ 6 rings , 6 Finals mvp,
MJ 10 scoring titles = record (LJ = 1)
MJ 9 all defensive 1st team selections = record (LJ = 5)
MJ - career ppg = record
With the court spacing and rule changes protecting the shooter, MJ would average 45ppg in todays NBA.
I could go on.
MJ was by far the best 2 way and complete player the NBA has ever seen.
@@robertmarking817 You clearly don't know what watered-down actually means.
@@willsafran8855 once again, I know for a fact you didn’t watch NBA basketball in the 80s and 90s. Otherwise you’d have a very different opinion.
@@robertmarking817 So I guess you think Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Scottie Pippen, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Gilbert Arenas, Bill Laimbeer all don't know anything about basketball and are liars?
@@robertmarking817 The talent wasnt as good back then. its only Bulls possible to win title every season. MJ would do serious damage in today's league when teamed with superstars. He will have some trouble against zone defense but he will lose finals as well. Kobe pretty much done what MJ did today, he won 2 rings outside of shaq and average like 25 ppg, as he get doubled teamed and trapped a lot forcing to pass ball away. Durant and Butler today may be similar shooter like MJ, only 2 rings Durant.
Everyone has their own defenition of what the GOAT is but shouldn't it be who has averaged the big 3 stats in basketball? Points, assists and reblunds?
By that rationale Kareem is the GOAT
LBJ needs to pass KAJ first.
The reason we dont bring up Brady/Montana is cause Brady has 7. Cause there were huge arguments after Brady won his 5th, but after 6, people stopped. Now if he was stuck at 5, different story. 5 in 20 years or 4 in 13 years?
Believe it or not, some people still have Joe Montana ahead of Brady. And Bron I think your numbers are off. Joe Montana only won 4 super bowls.
MICHAEL JORDAN GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!!🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀
MJ is not the goat, Muhammad Ali is
LeBron is the best player. But mj is the greatest player of all time.
the conversation will never end because a lot of the lebron fans has never watched MJ live and see his dominanve against the best players the game has ever seen....but followed the whole life of lebron and seeing him dominating the league for years in a weak 2000s era.... thats the reason