Man, as a PC player it's a shame we don't have Gran Turismo, the fact that we're left with Forza Motorsport is just sad. I'd love to get my hands on GT7 sometime in the future, even if it means getting a PlayStation console.
I really hope they release it on PC; it would significantly shake up the sim racing world there. I bet most people would try it and love it. Opening it up to mods would definitely take this game to the next level.
@@AutomotiveVP I'm worried that if they ported it over - and they will - the resources will be stretched, and the PC game will get the attention and the PS will become the poor cousin. Ironic that the many PC players who derided GT7 as 'arcadey' would then be gushing how wonderful the PC version is, and further denigrating the console version and its players. I'd be really annoyed if PD forgot which player base made their reputation. Friggin Deathstar elitists. I hate them for their snobby attiutudes.
I also want to point out that Forza got the wheels wrong on this car too. Aside from removing the SSR logo (because they’re too damn cheap to even get the brands to represent themselves), they’re flipped upside down. The fins on the wheels should be facing up instead of down.
I just noticed that too. The wheels are designed to pull air through them in turn pulling heat off of the brakes. So the way Forza has it, wouldn't even actually work in real life
It looks crazy man. Ps5 is definitely gonna be my next investment. I’m not sure how people believe that forza looks better and plays better, especially if they watch these comparisons.
Keep them coming, brother! It never ceases to surprise me how much more detailed GT is in comparison to pretty much anything and everything out there; it’s insane! Can’t imagine if GT7 had been developed exclusively on PS5 only. 🤯
I'm now convinced that the xbot's blindly defending this mess of a game (motorsport 8), don't actually own it. THIS is literally how the game looks, even on a pc with Maximum graphics. There's no way in hell people actually think you're intentionally making forza look bad, when this was the final product WE were given. Keep up the comparisons man and just ignore the xbots who are too stupid to realize what the game actually looks like.
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-HamiltonForza motorsport like Simcade is heading towards the simulator goal. Either choose total beauty and be a simulator, or lose a little beauty to achieve the goal of becoming a simulator. Gt7 sells itself as a simulator but it's more of an arcade simcade, with functional arrow lights and focusing on just beauty doesn't make it a simulator. Simple as that, if you want a pure simulator, play ACC or Iracing. If you want a middle ground it's Forza motorsport, and if you want a beautiful arcade GT7. And if the channel owner doesn't like it, he can get angry at will, since he treats the gt franchise as a religion, I ask you something, have you been to gt7's Sunday mass and prayed 7 mechanical birds?
@rodrigo2silvanoob Anyone that isn't a paid sponsor and has done some autocross would tell you how absolutely fucking stupid you are. My real world experience can be transferred easily to ACC, iracing, rfactor2, automibilista2, and even GT7. Fm23 is a dogshit over steer simulator. The fact that wet racing is so easy tells you everything you need to know. It falls in the same category as grid autostart which carries itself as a more arcade game and doesn't pretend any differently. GT7 simply doesn't giver you the same adjustment level as the more enthusiast sims. It offers a streamlined experience but still simulates everything the others do. Sim dashboard shows pretty clearly that things people claim it doesn't simulate, it does. And no sim from any dev that gives a shit would ever put out such a dogshit version of the nurbergring.
The only issue with iRacing is the subscription cost and the frustrating user interface; other than that, it's a great game. I need to get back to playing it!
here's the differences your vids have shown. Forza Motorsport-Looks like the car. Looks like the track. Good from a far but far from good. Gran Turismo 7 This IS what the car looks like. This IS what the track looks like. Thanks for the videos. Love it when the venom comes out. I don.t have a PS5 so Series X and FM for me and it is a over marketed disappointment and is most deserving of the criticism it receives. If I read or hear it's a good base to build from I'm gonna chuck. It's number 8 for Christs sake. The base was the first Motorsport in 2005.
Glad to see someone who owns forza and can understand that gt is better. I own a series x along with forza Motorsport and was extremely let down when I played it. I’m gonna have to invest in a ps5.
You actually went easy on Forza with that Daytona race. I did a 1 hour endurance race on the road course the other day and there was not a single lap where the AI wasn‘t facing the wrong way into turn 1.
I grew up playing gran turismo since the first game, but ended up with an Xbox in high school and stuck with forza. Always loved both games though. I was so disappointed with the new forza on the lack of content, graphics not living up to the hype, bugs, and just bad choices they made in that game that I bought a ps5 and gt7 and realized how much I was missing out on. Way more content, attention to detail, and you can see how much appreciation Kazunori has for cars/racing/ just by playing the game. The quality T10 put in the new forza speaks for itself and that’s why there is so much backlash. I do think the actual gameplay is really good (aside from some types of cars) and hopefully they can improve it over the next few updates and make it into a great game. I never cared to pick sides because I liked both series, but In the mean time I don’t see myself playing forza in its current state.
@3:35 “I’m gonna be lookin at all this Lego. Fuck me.” About sums it up. Forza’s next content update should offer the Copium Cup as its featured series for the month All the casual newcomers to the series on /r/forza: “this game is actually good. People like to hate this game because it’s the cool thing to do.” Keep up the cope kids.
You still can adjust the cockpit cam it’s just super restrictive. In some cars you’re too high up in the seat even on the lowest setting and others you’re too close to the dash even on the farthest setting - the new Civic being a good example of the latter. So they definitely need to give the cockpit cam more range of motion.
@@Ward413 Exactly! Not that I'm bashing GT since the game it's awesome as a whole, but a better FOV adjustment for who plays in the cockpit cam like me would be a game changer. Cheers!
I agree with everything you said. I've got a simrig and VR setup for PC.... I really don't want to have to buy all of that again just for 1 game but I really want to play GT7 :(
Hey, it could be great if u make a night comparison, i was playing GT7 on PS4 and the graphics on Tokyo Expressway on night are just unmatched, Forza have no chance
Does gran turismo get the r32 skyline brake lights correct? All four should light up and i know that FM still does it wrong, SO many games since they first messed it up
@@olavofernandes7286 The 400R is a BCNR33. It's the same chassis because they're both R33 GT-Rs. To be honest, I don't see how this would affect the innermost lights not working.
I don't like how Assetto Corsa handles either but I don't have a wheel either. The things AC does right are attention to detail, tire simulation and force feedback.
Light years ahead!! The vision of GT!!! Again!!! Yes Forza caught up ONLY when Sony and PS3 stumbled.... All of Sony stumbled during PS3, it took GT5 forever to come out, GT5 got slammed for the decision of standards and premiums!!! T10 shouldve learnt from that! PD went online ONLY with Sport T10 shouldve seized the opportunity! To remodel! Because everyone knew PD would be back with a bang! Again this is about the vision of Kaz and what they want to achieve with GT and what they envision for the future of the car game! T10 is chasing GTs shadow! GT is deeply entrenched with car culture, concept cars and cross promotion! PD designs the dashboards for Nissans and Honda! PD partners with the wheel makers! PD have been doing Esport and VR for generatons now! Not forgetting GT academy that gave us real drivers! And the movie! What has Forza in comparison done!? GT has Sophy another collab and its the future! watch it get rolled out as the main AI in future! ALSO just came from watching LFC!!!! up the effing reds!!!!
I'm sure that few details, rain and other small things, are gonna be incredibly better in GT8. There are few things "I don't like" graphically about GT7, like tyres textures in game, rain in general, etc. But judging from online comparisons, and owning the game, I think GT is far better than FM from miles away.
Even as an avid forza player ill say it the cars look shit and rightfully so, but Gt7 still has flaws of its own every game does, to me personally the only thing missing that would make GT7 the pinnacle of Sim racers is better car sounds (from the 3rd person view), better 3rd person camera angles, and personally more cars on the car list
Gt7 the student who learn all night the lesson. Forza the one who learn the lesson five min before the test and looking over gt7 shoulder and even manage to fail the test.
I don't understand the hate you get, and I would call myself a Forza fan, been playing since 05. If you are happy with the objectively lower and lower standards each game, especially with this new one and are not prepared to call out the BS, everything that was built up in FM4 being stripped away since (Plus FM4 looks objectively better most of the time) then simply put if you are happy with this franchise nose diving into the ground then you are not a Forza fan. Strive for better standards or continue to cope as the franchise gets driven into the ground.
I don't get the "vs" part. It's literally the same game, with a different POV. That's it. What you expect in a "vs" video with "a game vs the same game"?
You can't have a comparison between these two. Technically, it is the same game - literally, it's not a different version of the game for VR. You are running the exact same copy of the game in VR and flat modes. When it comes to graphics - due to mura effect in VR mode, it looks a bit worse than on flat screen, but because of said effect, the actual looks are technically impossible to be reproduced on flat screen. Therefore, like I said, it is technically impossible to compare flat vs VR mode and capture the actual graphical differences.
Yes I have Forza on PC and I am disappointed because it looks bland for a newer big name game , I hope they can upgrade the graphics on it soon and I'd like it if GT would come to PC ,that would be nice.
The only reason I play Forza sometimes instead of my diferent sims is because GT7 isn't available for pc and the ps5 isn't compatible with my rig. Otherwise Forza would be irrelevant, but for now it's all we have if we want that interesting multiplayer system.
got flamed for saying that about GT7 vs Forza motorsport when i addressed them about overall game qualities between the 2, i claiming that GT7, much like you, had better visuals, augments other things. 'a game most popular dosen't mean it's the best at everything'. what ticked him off however, was the fact i noticed that Forza players dont match the speed of the driver ahead when a crooner is approaching, nor when to re-enter the racing line when something or someone is obscuring it. i do like close racing when you risk all with some rubbing and slight bumping yes, but that ain't it. with that said, i think GT is the best (assuming) controller friendly racing games that actually teaches proper driving demeanors if you ask me. ...any objections you'll like to add??
Yeah that’s fair. That’s one thing I wish GT would do is add more cars. They don’t have the E60 or E39 M5’s or any post F30 BMW’s like Forza does. I love that Forza has the Crown Vic Police Interceptor but I’m not sure GT would ever add a car like that. I don’t see why not though as they have weirder shit like the WWII Willy’s Jeep you can Hellcat swap.
@@Ward413 WE have the Toyota Crown safety car in GT7 as japanese police car and we can use the Dodge Charger safety car too for usa police car. we have also the ajapanese ambulance. :) Are many cars in Forza I wish also in GT7.
I swapped from Xbox to PlayStation. I had fun playing new Forza Motorsport 23 and when I bought GT7 I was a little bit skeptical about the game. The beginning was a bit slow but I decided to give it a good try to see how it really is and now I can agree that GT is much better in many aspects
I was on the fence about buying an xbox because of the promises of this game (Forza). Thanks to these kinds of videos, I dodged a financial mistake. Thank you!
When you do the car sounds, can you please show the difference between Forza and GT7? The sound was only coming through the right side of the speakers, so it doesn’t really show what the actual car sound is for each game.
Do you think about what you say before you say it? You can see the clips for the bonnet and wings clear as day.....in your own video. And as for what details the Forza model is missing? Is beyond me. Just had a good look over great images of the real thing, I can't see what Forza has missed.
Going on X, I saw them post about the AMR Pro how it has no hybrid system. So it got me thinking why do they use KW if it's engines. Well if you convert the KW it's not the same as the real life counterparts. I checked the 488 GTE and 2017 Alfa Romeo and the HP doesn't match the KWs...neither torque is correct.
Wish Forza could get VR supprt, but just like you, with how the game actually turned out, I've always pictured it looking horrible since the interiors are just so bad and full of plastic. I mean, this car is a great example. All that metal or aluminum inside looks like the actual fucking thing. Looks like real sheets of metal or aluminum in there.
The only advantage Forza has is how many Super Silhouette they have, while the DR30 Turbo is the ONLY Super Silhouette in Gran Turismo ever since it was introduced in GT2 (yes, after all these years they still only got that one Super Silhouette. Laughable if you ask me...) Polyphony Digital refuses to license more classic race cars of the same class to race together is an absolute butthurt for me.
I can only agree with what you’ve said mate… Way back when I chose Xbox because I enjoyed earlier motorsport titles ( motorsport 1-4) however with the release of this motorsport, I’m disappointed… I’ve been team Xbox for Aslong as I can remember, but GT7 is seriously making me question myself 🤣 I just can’t justify getting a Play station for one game 🤣
As is tradition with these games. Forza continues to be an 80% effort game and strive for nothing more. Where gran turismo at its best will not be equalled for a decade and at its worst was eclipsed on the PS2.
Usually we see comparisons where GT is winning. But yeah, like you say, there are some things that Forza actually do better than GT. Like, imagine if we could get Forza's chase cam for GT. It's like the best of both worlds.
@@jpolimus indeed, but it's adjustable nonetheless. I've watched lots of videos with people complaining about the chase cam, not realizing it can be adjusted slightly.
Yes they are. On PS4 the texture resolutions are a touch lower and the lighting is different, making semitranslucent parts like that fabric hose next to the drivers seat look a bit less realistic. But if you'd take the identical screenshot from a race or from a Scapes location, you couldn't say which one was from which console. Scapes is the dedicated photomode in GT7. Static backgrounds and static cars to place into then snap a shot and upload it. So the processing power doesn't have to be divided between looks and physics.
@@320iSTWEdition actually Scapes has PS5 exclusive features, not in the Spaces list but in lighting and resolution so no, PS5 Scapes pics DO look better than PS4 or PS4 Pro ones I know this because I started on PS4 Pro and jumped to PS5 later you can search me with the #PRC tag
@@rosaria8384 Don't see any issue in that...... although there are more suddle differences between the two versions..... But they only bother if you are a perfectionist and want EVERYTHING on the highest setting even if it doesn't matter at all..... My races aren't worse because of a lower framerate, the lack of graphical details on the cars, less realtime lighting of the AI cars at night, less smoke trails or unavailable Super AI..... They are just like i want them. But to others maybe like you the world is ending...... don't know..... and will never understand.....
The people do not understand that anybody would like to have a brand new game in a new console performing worse than a game created a couple years ago. If Forza was better it would make people work even harder to create better games to new consoles.
I like to be fair and i made a side by side comparizon with my game (Forza) and your video, i notice more saturation on the video image when compared to the game itself (i belive because of video editing). Also there is something odd with your ambient oclusion and lack of some reflections on you video, maybe you played with the video quality for better clarity. In photo mode i recomend giving it a bit more colour, it helps seeying dark places (blame this hawfull forza vista...). Besides that, GT7 have better car details no doubt about that. More similar to the real car. And more attention to the little details for sure. Gameplaywise i wont coment because, at the end of the day, its related to what people like and for some ppl forza feels better for others GT feels better. Also i totally agree with you, marketing destroyed forza for sure. They nerfed sooooo many things thats ridiculous. One last note and we have to give credit where credit is due, you can open the trunk and bonnet in this car in forza for more details. Dont know if GT have those. Cheers
Yes. You can't open the doors and the other things. The problem is, because polyphony hasn't ever done that in any of their games (including gt sport) they will have to model each trunk and engine bay of every car. They'll probably not implement it because it will take a lot of time. Forza didn't have a problem with that because they had already modeled that in their previous games. So they just ported it.
You can't open the hood or look at the engine in this car. When I pressed the 'explode' button, it only opened the doors. I haven't done any external editing to the videos. The track setting is Daytona at noon. I used to play the game in the afternoon, but people complained that it was too dark. Now, I set it to the brightest time of day. However, this seems to wash out the colors of the cars for some reason. Nothing has been edited or tampered with. Even when I play with the settings maxed out on PC, I get the same results. It might be that your time of day setting doesn't match mine.
@@AutomotiveVP the explode button only opens anything that have hinges (sort of). Some cars that have full pannels that can be removed have to be done manually. 2022 Pagani Huayra R is another example. Please check again, i garantee you can remove front anf back pannels in this car. I recomend you double check allways. From my experience with the game i get better results messing with the colour settings. Cheers. (Note: i was not defending forza)
Forza can not compete with GT7, Forza's models are atrocious and just show the developers' lack of care and passion. Xbox in general has fallen big time and just seems to produce crap 😅 Starfail and many other titles show the lack of care/passion developers have for Microsoft titles. PS5 is the console for quality games for sure 👍
2:40 Forza is not good and even I am a fan of Forza, yes, I am but I agree with everyone that Forza is complete rubbish but they are trying everything in the updates for everyone be satisfied and there are even some cars that Forza did better, yes but most of the cars are complete rubbish
I can't wait for the Nürburgring update. Aside from that, I'm not sure if they'll surpass their previous achievements, but I do hope they do. We need that kind of pressure on Gran Turismo. Regarding the better cars, no offense taken; I'm just curious to know which cars you're referring to so I can check them out.
Keep fighting the fight you need to be blind to not see Gt is looking better and nothing comes close playing Gt7 in Vr with a wheel but if I get a motion rig my wife would not agree to.
Also keep swearing its great. I think its a shame theyve had to make the games safe for easily offeded infants tbh. Bring back old style games that didnt have to care so much
U say right about it the detail is great since almost 2 years GT7 is release and GT7 have contents for sure. But god damn what the f..k my eyes is bleeding each time i watch ur videos the coloring is like from the 50's and sure u play on PC bc i have seem some videos show over the 80fps with the PC and have graphics beside of u. Forza dont have alot contents and the one only things with some couple bugs they to fix. Btw i play forza and im fan. Forza is f..king assom and driving and the graphics is insane while i play on my sereis x with 4k. The weather, smogy with lights its crazy kind of realistic and come to tell me im lying. And the stars is amzing and all the sky and btw PC s..k cannot run that game better and thats why GT7 is better basicly bc u run it in PS5 on dark resolution kind of coming up with the rain. Yes GT7 is better for now for some parts but for now 😂😂
Brother...what happened? In this video, every other word is fuck this, fuck that...this kind of shtick works if you have a range of content, but you literally make ONE kind of video. Seems like you dipped into grandpas medicine cabinet
I mention 'RANT' in the title, but it's just for laughs and entertainment. I also have plenty of content, including VR wheel gameplay, videos where I discuss cars, retro content, no HUD gameplay, and world record times. I've continuously evolved my content and tested different approaches. I aim to give viewers what they want the most, which includes comparisons.
The channel owner treats gt7 as if the game were his religion and his God. No one can find anything different from him or he calls anyone who likes what he doesn't like stupid, idiot... . iracing is super beautiful, acc, not because the focus is on physics. What was done in the franchise that wanted to compete in beauty, they placed more emphasis on physics. So he should be calling Iracing and ACC rubbish, because they don't focus on beauty. Gt7 isn't bad, it's just more for arcade. In the simulator, just make an arrow left or right.
Forza motorsport like Simcade is heading towards the simulator goal. Either choose total beauty and be a simulator, or lose a little beauty to achieve the goal of becoming a simulator. Gt7 sells itself as a simulator but it's more of an arcade simcade, with functional arrow lights and focusing on just beauty doesn't make it a simulator. Simple as that, if you want a pure simulator, play ACC or Iracing. If you want a middle ground it's Forza motorsport, and if you want a beautiful arcade GT7. And if the channel owner doesn't like it, he can get angry at will, since he treats the gt franchise as a religion, I ask you something, have you been to gt7's Sunday mass and prayed 7 mechanical birds?
There are Sims out there that ARE sims that LOOK better than FM8...... Right now BOTH is possible with todays computing power.... it just comes down to ability. And it is lacking badly in Turn 10.... plus they were never marketing it as a better simulator than the games before and having reduced graphic fidelity. Seems more like you have visited every sunday FM8 mass since the beginning of it.....
@@320iSTWEdition We have another loyal follower who sucks up to a streamer with no opinion of his own who does not accept criticism from others, other than that of his pet streamer. Pure simulators that can only run beautifully on a NASA PC. Not even gt7 can merge blz and simulator, because if you want to focus on simulation you can go crying, buaaaa they reduced the beauty buaaaa I want an arcade sold as a simulator again. I'll give an example of why beauty and simulation come off as very heavy. Flight Simulator. FM8 must have wanted to follow the same path, but a choice had to be made. Either reduce the physics or focus on the visuals, because it has to go to a console that doesn't beat PC, and PC, what would you do? Were you going to focus on the visuals so that someone could later complain about the physics or vice versa?
@@rodrigo2silvanoob So how do you actually judge this is NOT "my opinion".... by insulting me for not being of YOUR opinion because there is ONLY your opinion e.g. the holy truth? You're mental and a fanboy and don't realise it..... FM4 was a great game.... but since then Turn10 has spiralled downwards..... Actually.... FM2 had brought me away from GT4...... but then again you have a glass sphere in which you have seen that to judge me and insinuate that I am a fanboy..... The only one "sucking up" is you.... to Turn 10 and Microsoft.You are supporting subpar games on current gen consoles..... but keep doing that and see what you get in a few years by lowering your standards under XBox 360 standards.... because that is where FM8 is right now....
Buh buh but, FM developers said it has unmatched visuals, no other racing game has visuals like it, and a few other lies I could quote. So they market the game alllllllllll about the visuals. Hyped it up allllllll about the visuals and here and there about tire model and physics. But they didn't deliver on what sounds like their biggest marketing choice of words/lies. Instead we have 15-19 year old car models that look like plastic, and washed out looking tracks. Driving physics got better, and that's it. And I'm a much bigger FM fan than the average guy. This one disappoints.
Another great vid, telling us how it really is! 🙏🏽 GT hands down has always looked better than Forza IMO. You would have thought the new FM would look better, but it doesn't. Also, the finer details in GT have always been amazing. It's the little things that count. I was blown away how in GT the player character model actually puts the h-pattern shifter gear into it's respective gear, how paddle shifts actually line up and click with the character models hands. In Forza it's a joke. The animations are absolute rubbish. Keep up the great work! 💯
its funny how a vr version of gran turismo which is lower res and less detailed than flat still crushes forza lol
Yeah 😂
Man, as a PC player it's a shame we don't have Gran Turismo, the fact that we're left with Forza Motorsport is just sad. I'd love to get my hands on GT7 sometime in the future, even if it means getting a PlayStation console.
I really hope they release it on PC; it would significantly shake up the sim racing world there. I bet most people would try it and love it. Opening it up to mods would definitely take this game to the next level.
If fkn only they ported it over
@@AutomotiveVP I'm worried that if they ported it over - and they will - the resources will be stretched, and the PC game will get the attention and the PS will become the poor cousin.
Ironic that the many PC players who derided GT7 as 'arcadey' would then be gushing how wonderful the PC version is, and further denigrating the console version and its players.
I'd be really annoyed if PD forgot which player base made their reputation. Friggin Deathstar elitists. I hate them for their snobby attiutudes.
@@AutomotiveVPbro gt7 ain’t a sim. Ask actual gt3 racer David peral. He puts gt on the same level as forza. Stop the cap and cope
There is a leak that it MIGHT come to PC at the end of this year.
If so, FM is dead.
I also want to point out that Forza got the wheels wrong on this car too. Aside from removing the SSR logo (because they’re too damn cheap to even get the brands to represent themselves), they’re flipped upside down. The fins on the wheels should be facing up instead of down.
I just noticed that too. The wheels are designed to pull air through them in turn pulling heat off of the brakes. So the way Forza has it, wouldn't even actually work in real life
@@alecwood4491 that will make wheel in forza to over heat
Thanks for keeping it real. I’m amazed every time you post a video how real to life gt looks.
You're welcome mate! Thanks for the comment! GT7 in VR is mind-blowing
It looks crazy man. Ps5 is definitely gonna be my next investment. I’m not sure how people believe that forza looks better and plays better, especially if they watch these comparisons.
Keep them coming, brother!
It never ceases to surprise me how much more detailed GT is in comparison to pretty much anything and everything out there; it’s insane!
Can’t imagine if GT7 had been developed exclusively on PS5 only. 🤯
well its also available on ps4
@@pjisleta1994he's saying that if it was only for ps5 it could be better
@@Lautrec_522 you're right it could be better
I'm now convinced that the xbot's blindly defending this mess of a game (motorsport 8), don't actually own it. THIS is literally how the game looks, even on a pc with Maximum graphics. There's no way in hell people actually think you're intentionally making forza look bad, when this was the final product WE were given. Keep up the comparisons man and just ignore the xbots who are too stupid to realize what the game actually looks like.
Forza and gt7 are game pad kiddy trash. ACC smokes both those arcade trash
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-HamiltonForza motorsport like Simcade is heading towards the simulator goal. Either choose total beauty and be a simulator, or lose a little beauty to achieve the goal of becoming a simulator. Gt7 sells itself as a simulator but it's more of an arcade simcade, with functional arrow lights and focusing on just beauty doesn't make it a simulator. Simple as that, if you want a pure simulator, play ACC or Iracing. If you want a middle ground it's Forza motorsport, and if you want a beautiful arcade GT7. And if the channel owner doesn't like it, he can get angry at will, since he treats the gt franchise as a religion, I ask you something, have you been to gt7's Sunday mass and prayed 7 mechanical birds?
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-Hamilton good joke bud😂
@rodrigo2silvanoob
Anyone that isn't a paid sponsor and has done some autocross would tell you how absolutely fucking stupid you are. My real world experience can be transferred easily to ACC, iracing, rfactor2, automibilista2, and even GT7. Fm23 is a dogshit over steer simulator. The fact that wet racing is so easy tells you everything you need to know. It falls in the same category as grid autostart which carries itself as a more arcade game and doesn't pretend any differently. GT7 simply doesn't giver you the same adjustment level as the more enthusiast sims. It offers a streamlined experience but still simulates everything the others do. Sim dashboard shows pretty clearly that things people claim it doesn't simulate, it does. And no sim from any dev that gives a shit would ever put out such a dogshit version of the nurbergring.
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-Hamiltonall PC sims feel bland as f@k.
Bro, the honesty is amazing. Never change man. haha. GT7 is a visual marvel. It's really just an ode to automotive design. Its great.
The career and muffled stock car sounds won't age well but everything else in this game will.
I ended up leaving Forza and moved over to iRacing. Can tell you rn, I’m enjoying it more than Forza.
The only issue with iRacing is the subscription cost and the frustrating user interface; other than that, it's a great game. I need to get back to playing it!
at least iracing is better than forza shit
Proper game
@@AutomotiveVPacc, then racing.. gt7 and forza are toys, kids with game pads
@@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-HamiltonI play gt7 every day over both acc and Iracing
here's the differences your vids have shown.
Forza Motorsport-Looks like the car. Looks like the track. Good from a far but far from good.
Gran Turismo 7 This IS what the car looks like. This IS what the track looks like.
Thanks for the videos. Love it when the venom comes out. I don.t have a PS5 so Series X and FM for me and it is a over marketed disappointment and is most deserving of the criticism it receives.
If I read or hear it's a good base to build from I'm gonna chuck. It's number 8 for Christs sake. The base was the first Motorsport in 2005.
Glad to see someone who owns forza and can understand that gt is better. I own a series x along with forza Motorsport and was extremely let down when I played it. I’m gonna have to invest in a ps5.
@@joshuavincent4349Forza motorsport was the reason why I waited on buying a series S/X. I think I’ll be investing in a PC sooner or later.
@@gabrielriley2388 yea that’s not a bad idea. Forza was definitely a huge let down.
You actually went easy on Forza with that Daytona race. I did a 1 hour endurance race on the road course the other day and there was not a single lap where the AI wasn‘t facing the wrong way into turn 1.
I love your no-bullshzit approach to this, it's quite refreshing
How much swearing? Yes! Though you are just fuckin right mate!
I grew up playing gran turismo since the first game, but ended up with an Xbox in high school and stuck with forza. Always loved both games though.
I was so disappointed with the new forza on the lack of content, graphics not living up to the hype, bugs, and just bad choices they made in that game that I bought a ps5 and gt7 and realized how much I was missing out on. Way more content, attention to detail, and you can see how much appreciation Kazunori has for cars/racing/ just by playing the game.
The quality T10 put in the new forza speaks for itself and that’s why there is so much backlash. I do think the actual gameplay is really good (aside from some types of cars) and hopefully they can improve it over the next few updates and make it into a great game. I never cared to pick sides because I liked both series, but In the mean time I don’t see myself playing forza in its current state.
No the gameplay from Forza is not as great as GT7 the gameplay of GT7 is great....
@@Rene-jv7rf I never said forza’s gameplay is better than gt7
@@jtapatio05 But the gameplay of Forza is not good...
@3:35 “I’m gonna be lookin at all this Lego. Fuck me.”
About sums it up. Forza’s next content update should offer the Copium Cup as its featured series for the month
All the casual newcomers to the series on /r/forza: “this game is actually good. People like to hate this game because it’s the cool thing to do.” Keep up the cope kids.
Hitting it out of the park again. My God, the interior of this car in VR2. I'm gonna have to revisit it now!
One of my favs in VR is the Honda NSX concept it's the blue and yellow one. Every time I jump in this one in VR my jaw drops.
@@minners71 is that the Gr 2 car? Sorry, I'm clueless, lol.
The Gr2 NSX is mucho fun, agreed!
The only thing that I really miss in GT is the option to adjust the FOV in cockpit camera, I prefer a FOV more distant from the dashboard.
You still can adjust the cockpit cam it’s just super restrictive. In some cars you’re too high up in the seat even on the lowest setting and others you’re too close to the dash even on the farthest setting - the new Civic being a good example of the latter. So they definitely need to give the cockpit cam more range of motion.
@@Ward413 Exactly! Not that I'm bashing GT since the game it's awesome as a whole, but a better FOV adjustment for who plays in the cockpit cam like me would be a game changer. Cheers!
I agree with everything you said. I've got a simrig and VR setup for PC.... I really don't want to have to buy all of that again just for 1 game but I really want to play GT7 :(
Forza faithful here, Gran Turismo is objectively FAR BETTER than Forza EVER will be 🤣
Hey, it could be great if u make a night comparison, i was playing GT7 on PS4 and the graphics on Tokyo Expressway on night are just unmatched, Forza have no chance
Does gran turismo get the r32 skyline brake lights correct? All four should light up and i know that FM still does it wrong, SO many games since they first messed it up
Just checked GT does in fact have all 4 lights when braking
But for some reason, the R33 brake lights don't work like they should in GT.
@@DaMotoristX the r33 does work but the nismo 400r chassi must be a prototype owned only by omori factory nismo
@@olavofernandes7286 The 400R is a BCNR33. It's the same chassis because they're both R33 GT-Rs. To be honest, I don't see how this would affect the innermost lights not working.
I don't like how Assetto Corsa handles either but I don't have a wheel either. The things AC does right are attention to detail, tire simulation and force feedback.
How can you say AC has good FFB when admitting you never touched it with a wheel?
Gawd damn bro the detail on this one is of the charts
Light years ahead!! The vision of GT!!!
Again!!! Yes Forza caught up ONLY when Sony and PS3 stumbled.... All of Sony stumbled during PS3, it took GT5 forever to come out, GT5 got slammed for the decision of standards and premiums!!!
T10 shouldve learnt from that! PD went online ONLY with Sport T10 shouldve seized the opportunity! To remodel! Because everyone knew PD would be back with a bang!
Again this is about the vision of Kaz and what they want to achieve with GT and what they envision for the future of the car game!
T10 is chasing GTs shadow! GT is deeply entrenched with car culture, concept cars and cross promotion! PD designs the dashboards for Nissans and Honda! PD partners with the wheel makers! PD have been doing Esport and VR for generatons now! Not forgetting GT academy that gave us real drivers! And the movie! What has Forza in comparison done!?
GT has Sophy another collab and its the future! watch it get rolled out as the main AI in future!
ALSO just came from watching LFC!!!! up the effing reds!!!!
One thing about Forza is that it have indirect lighting making some track looks more beautiful than gt7. But that scenario is a dime a dozen!
I'm sure that few details, rain and other small things, are gonna be incredibly better in GT8. There are few things "I don't like" graphically about GT7, like tyres textures in game, rain in general, etc. But judging from online comparisons, and owning the game, I think GT is far better than FM from miles away.
Even as an avid forza player ill say it the cars look shit and rightfully so, but Gt7 still has flaws of its own every game does, to me personally the only thing missing that would make GT7 the pinnacle of Sim racers is better car sounds (from the 3rd person view), better 3rd person camera angles, and personally more cars on the car list
Even the Tire details as well. can see it said Dunlop Racing on it of the side of the Tire.
Gt7 the student who learn all night the lesson. Forza the one who learn the lesson five min before the test and looking over gt7 shoulder and even manage to fail the test.
I don't understand the hate you get, and I would call myself a Forza fan, been playing since 05. If you are happy with the objectively lower and lower standards each game, especially with this new one and are not prepared to call out the BS, everything that was built up in FM4 being stripped away since (Plus FM4 looks objectively better most of the time) then simply put if you are happy with this franchise nose diving into the ground then you are not a Forza fan. Strive for better standards or continue to cope as the franchise gets driven into the ground.
Thanks for saying it like it is bud. 🙏🏼
Can you do a GT7 vs GT7 PSVR2 comparison mate? I'm curious since I don't have a VR.
I don't get the "vs" part. It's literally the same game, with a different POV. That's it. What you expect in a "vs" video with "a game vs the same game"?
You can't have a comparison between these two. Technically, it is the same game - literally, it's not a different version of the game for VR. You are running the exact same copy of the game in VR and flat modes.
When it comes to graphics - due to mura effect in VR mode, it looks a bit worse than on flat screen, but because of said effect, the actual looks are technically impossible to be reproduced on flat screen. Therefore, like I said, it is technically impossible to compare flat vs VR mode and capture the actual graphical differences.
wow forza should be ashamed of making the r31 look like cardboard.
Yes I have Forza on PC and I am disappointed because it looks bland for a newer big name game , I hope they can upgrade the graphics on it soon and I'd like it if GT would come to PC ,that would be nice.
The only reason I play Forza sometimes instead of my diferent sims is because GT7 isn't available for pc and the ps5 isn't compatible with my rig. Otherwise Forza would be irrelevant, but for now it's all we have if we want that interesting multiplayer system.
WTF Is wrong with Motorsport? Why is everything lazily covered by a blanket uniform shining shader? I bet even the god damned screws have shine to it.
Forza isn't that bad, it's just that gt7 is in another level of detail and perfection, which remains unmatched by any game in the market nowadays.
got flamed for saying that about GT7 vs Forza motorsport when i addressed them about overall game qualities between the 2, i claiming that GT7, much like you, had better visuals, augments other things. 'a game most popular dosen't mean it's the best at everything'.
what ticked him off however, was the fact i noticed that Forza players dont match the speed of the driver ahead when a crooner is approaching, nor when to re-enter the racing line when something or someone is obscuring it. i do like close racing when you risk all with some rubbing and slight bumping yes, but that ain't it.
with that said, i think GT is the best (assuming) controller friendly racing games that actually teaches proper driving demeanors if you ask me.
...any objections you'll like to add??
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@@AutomotiveVP edited first post,
@@lc5957 Who are you writing about? Who is "him"?
At Forza games I give for the car variety. But that was about it.
Yeah that’s fair. That’s one thing I wish GT would do is add more cars. They don’t have the E60 or E39 M5’s or any post F30 BMW’s like Forza does. I love that Forza has the Crown Vic Police Interceptor but I’m not sure GT would ever add a car like that. I don’t see why not though as they have weirder shit like the WWII Willy’s Jeep you can Hellcat swap.
@@Ward413 WE have the Toyota Crown safety car in GT7 as japanese police car and we can use the Dodge Charger safety car too for usa police car. we have also the ajapanese ambulance. :)
Are many cars in Forza I wish also in GT7.
@@Ampelfreund Yeah I’ve got a CHP livery on my Charger safety car. Haven’t tried the other safety cars.
Forza is cringe at this point, Motorsport 4 was the last good one.
The franchise peaked with FM4 and FH1 IMHO
I love FM 4. Still better than new FM
I swapped from Xbox to PlayStation. I had fun playing new Forza Motorsport 23 and when I bought GT7 I was a little bit skeptical about the game. The beginning was a bit slow but I decided to give it a good try to see how it really is and now I can agree that GT is much better in many aspects
I was on the fence about buying an xbox because of the promises of this game (Forza). Thanks to these kinds of videos, I dodged a financial mistake. Thank you!
When you do the car sounds, can you please show the difference between Forza and GT7? The sound was only coming through the right side of the speakers, so it doesn’t really show what the actual car sound is for each game.
please do the porsche careera gt nexr, its a not racing car, and its not visually complex, but its damn beautiful on gran turismo.
Do you think about what you say before you say it? You can see the clips for the bonnet and wings clear as day.....in your own video. And as for what details the Forza model is missing? Is beyond me. Just had a good look over great images of the real thing, I can't see what Forza has missed.
Going on X, I saw them post about the AMR Pro how it has no hybrid system. So it got me thinking why do they use KW if it's engines. Well if you convert the KW it's not the same as the real life counterparts. I checked the 488 GTE and 2017 Alfa Romeo and the HP doesn't match the KWs...neither torque is correct.
You can change static camera in options to be more Forzalike.
Wish Forza could get VR supprt, but just like you, with how the game actually turned out, I've always pictured it looking horrible since the interiors are just so bad and full of plastic. I mean, this car is a great example. All that metal or aluminum inside looks like the actual fucking thing. Looks like real sheets of metal or aluminum in there.
The only advantage Forza has is how many Super Silhouette they have, while the DR30 Turbo is the ONLY Super Silhouette in Gran Turismo ever since it was introduced in GT2 (yes, after all these years they still only got that one Super Silhouette. Laughable if you ask me...)
Polyphony Digital refuses to license more classic race cars of the same class to race together is an absolute butthurt for me.
Gt7 sport mode in psvr2 is amazing , can't go back to flat screen.
It really is, I wish they had a VR sport mode so you knew everyone else was in VR with chat haha
I like the swearing 😂 it's fucking hilarious.
U need to compare Assetto Corsa Competizione and Forza, next. But before doing so, adjust the ingame color settings of ACC to match Forza
My partner wants to know what your accent is. We both think Northern England, but I suspect Geordie.
Im jst here for your commentary, got these forza fans balling up both fist & screaming… hehehe
I can only agree with what you’ve said mate…
Way back when I chose Xbox because I enjoyed earlier motorsport titles ( motorsport 1-4) however with the release of this motorsport, I’m disappointed…
I’ve been team Xbox for Aslong as I can remember, but GT7 is seriously making me question myself 🤣
I just can’t justify getting a Play station for one game 🤣
GT 7 is unbeatable. Keep them coming
absolute amazing take!!!!
As is tradition with these games. Forza continues to be an 80% effort game and strive for nothing more. Where gran turismo at its best will not be equalled for a decade and at its worst was eclipsed on the PS2.
Usually we see comparisons where GT is winning. But yeah, like you say, there are some things that Forza actually do better than GT. Like, imagine if we could get Forza's chase cam for GT. It's like the best of both worlds.
Just out of curiosity - you know that you can adjust the chase cam in GT7, right?
...right?
@@ArturKwaszynit’s not the same not even close
@@jpolimus indeed, but it's adjustable nonetheless. I've watched lots of videos with people complaining about the chase cam, not realizing it can be adjusted slightly.
GT7 PS4 and GT7 PS5 3D model are the same ?
Yes they are. On PS4 the texture resolutions are a touch lower and the lighting is different, making semitranslucent parts like that fabric hose next to the drivers seat look a bit less realistic. But if you'd take the identical screenshot from a race or from a Scapes location, you couldn't say which one was from which console. Scapes is the dedicated photomode in GT7. Static backgrounds and static cars to place into then snap a shot and upload it. So the processing power doesn't have to be divided between looks and physics.
@@320iSTWEdition the fact they can do everything fit in two generations of console without using different assets is mads genius
@@320iSTWEdition actually Scapes has PS5 exclusive features, not in the Spaces list but in lighting and resolution
so no, PS5 Scapes pics DO look better than PS4 or PS4 Pro ones
I know this because I started on PS4 Pro and jumped to PS5 later
you can search me with the #PRC tag
Yes. Nothing has changed apart from the lack of Sophy in PS4 and lower frame rate in PS4.
@@rosaria8384 Don't see any issue in that...... although there are more suddle differences between the two versions.....
But they only bother if you are a perfectionist and want EVERYTHING on the highest setting even if it doesn't matter at all.....
My races aren't worse because of a lower framerate, the lack of graphical details on the cars, less realtime lighting of the AI cars at night, less smoke trails or unavailable Super AI.....
They are just like i want them.
But to others maybe like you the world is ending...... don't know..... and will never understand.....
this video put more fuel to the Forza fans and I like it, thanks to them these devs won't change because they keep buying their trash
Ahahahah! Its another league! Epic comments mate! 😂
When video comparison with Assetto Corsa?
Gran Turismo is UNMATCHABLE 🔥
The people do not understand that anybody would like to have a brand new game in a new console performing worse than a game created a couple years ago. If Forza was better it would make people work even harder to create better games to new consoles.
Hey, at least Forza Motorsport 2023 kept the Tomica logos at launch, unlike Forza Motorsport 7.
I like to be fair and i made a side by side comparizon with my game (Forza) and your video, i notice more saturation on the video image when compared to the game itself (i belive because of video editing).
Also there is something odd with your ambient oclusion and lack of some reflections on you video, maybe you played with the video quality for better clarity.
In photo mode i recomend giving it a bit more colour, it helps seeying dark places (blame this hawfull forza vista...).
Besides that, GT7 have better car details no doubt about that. More similar to the real car. And more attention to the little details for sure.
Gameplaywise i wont coment because, at the end of the day, its related to what people like and for some ppl forza feels better for others GT feels better.
Also i totally agree with you, marketing destroyed forza for sure. They nerfed sooooo many things thats ridiculous.
One last note and we have to give credit where credit is due, you can open the trunk and bonnet in this car in forza for more details. Dont know if GT have those.
Cheers
i've noticed on a coment below this was on Series X so i believe the difference i noticed was because of that. I was on PC
Yes. You can't open the doors and the other things. The problem is, because polyphony hasn't ever done that in any of their games (including gt sport) they will have to model each trunk and engine bay of every car. They'll probably not implement it because it will take a lot of time. Forza didn't have a problem with that because they had already modeled that in their previous games. So they just ported it.
@@georgevasilopoulos5359 Lazy Forza
You can't open the hood or look at the engine in this car. When I pressed the 'explode' button, it only opened the doors. I haven't done any external editing to the videos. The track setting is Daytona at noon. I used to play the game in the afternoon, but people complained that it was too dark. Now, I set it to the brightest time of day. However, this seems to wash out the colors of the cars for some reason. Nothing has been edited or tampered with. Even when I play with the settings maxed out on PC, I get the same results. It might be that your time of day setting doesn't match mine.
@@AutomotiveVP the explode button only opens anything that have hinges (sort of).
Some cars that have full pannels that can be removed have to be done manually.
2022 Pagani Huayra R is another example.
Please check again, i garantee you can remove front anf back pannels in this car.
I recomend you double check allways.
From my experience with the game i get better results messing with the colour settings.
Cheers.
(Note: i was not defending forza)
GT7 so amazing
But but but but look at that pebble on the side of the track it looks more detailed in forza so it's better 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please Sony, bring Gran Turismo to PC!!!
Forza can not compete with GT7, Forza's models are atrocious and just show the developers' lack of care and passion. Xbox in general has fallen big time and just seems to produce crap 😅 Starfail and many other titles show the lack of care/passion developers have for Microsoft titles. PS5 is the console for quality games for sure 👍
Welcome back
I fockin' approve this video! 😉
Forza 8 looks like a mobile game from 2015 💀
one of my favourite cars ;D
GT is an interactable encylopedia on cars. Forza is +5 and up on racing.
2:40 Forza is not good and even I am a fan of Forza, yes, I am but I agree with everyone that Forza is complete rubbish but they are trying everything in the updates for everyone be satisfied and there are even some cars that Forza did better, yes but most of the cars are complete rubbish
I can't wait for the Nürburgring update. Aside from that, I'm not sure if they'll surpass their previous achievements, but I do hope they do. We need that kind of pressure on Gran Turismo. Regarding the better cars, no offense taken; I'm just curious to know which cars you're referring to so I can check them out.
@@AutomotiveVP Ok and I'm also waiting for the new update:D
Keep fighting the fight you need to be blind to not see Gt is looking better and nothing comes close playing Gt7 in Vr with a wheel but if I get a motion rig my wife would not agree to.
I have a skin for this car it looks like a load of cardboard boxes taped to it awesome.
Iam still play both of them and had a lot of enjoy in forza iam in love with all car game only the crew i hate it a lot
Why?
@@320iSTWEdition easy its from ubisoft
Forza Low Graphics?
XboxSX
Also keep swearing its great. I think its a shame theyve had to make the games safe for easily offeded infants tbh. Bring back old style games that didnt have to care so much
Haha so good!
I'm never buying an Xbox again 😂😂😂
I wish i brought a PlayStation
U say right about it the detail is great since almost 2 years GT7 is release and GT7 have contents for sure. But god damn what the f..k my eyes is bleeding each time i watch ur videos the coloring is like from the 50's and sure u play on PC bc i have seem some videos show over the 80fps with the PC and have graphics beside of u. Forza dont have alot contents and the one only things with some couple bugs they to fix. Btw i play forza and im fan. Forza is f..king assom and driving and the graphics is insane while i play on my sereis x with 4k. The weather, smogy with lights its crazy kind of realistic and come to tell me im lying. And the stars is amzing and all the sky and btw PC s..k cannot run that game better and thats why GT7 is better basicly bc u run it in PS5 on dark resolution kind of coming up with the rain.
Yes GT7 is better for now for some parts but for now 😂😂
I love how GT7 made it for the fans with detailing and some contents i will love turn 10 put some on work.
I play both games and enjoy them for different reasons, who gives a F how the seatbelt looks. If you don’t like Forza just uninstall it and move on.
Best review ever lol hahahahaha
Brother...what happened? In this video, every other word is fuck this, fuck that...this kind of shtick works if you have a range of content, but you literally make ONE kind of video. Seems like you dipped into grandpas medicine cabinet
I mention 'RANT' in the title, but it's just for laughs and entertainment. I also have plenty of content, including VR wheel gameplay, videos where I discuss cars, retro content, no HUD gameplay, and world record times. I've continuously evolved my content and tested different approaches. I aim to give viewers what they want the most, which includes comparisons.
The channel owner treats gt7 as if the game were his religion and his God. No one can find anything different from him or he calls anyone who likes what he doesn't like stupid, idiot... . iracing is super beautiful, acc, not because the focus is on physics. What was done in the franchise that wanted to compete in beauty, they placed more emphasis on physics. So he should be calling Iracing and ACC rubbish, because they don't focus on beauty. Gt7 isn't bad, it's just more for arcade. In the simulator, just make an arrow left or right.
Forza motorsport like Simcade is heading towards the simulator goal. Either choose total beauty and be a simulator, or lose a little beauty to achieve the goal of becoming a simulator. Gt7 sells itself as a simulator but it's more of an arcade simcade, with functional arrow lights and focusing on just beauty doesn't make it a simulator. Simple as that, if you want a pure simulator, play ACC or Iracing. If you want a middle ground it's Forza motorsport, and if you want a beautiful arcade GT7. And if the channel owner doesn't like it, he can get angry at will, since he treats the gt franchise as a religion, I ask you something, have you been to gt7's Sunday mass and prayed 7 mechanical birds?
There are Sims out there that ARE sims that LOOK better than FM8...... Right now BOTH is possible with todays computing power.... it just comes down to ability. And it is lacking badly in Turn 10.... plus they were never marketing it as a better simulator than the games before and having reduced graphic fidelity.
Seems more like you have visited every sunday FM8 mass since the beginning of it.....
@@320iSTWEdition We have another loyal follower who sucks up to a streamer with no opinion of his own who does not accept criticism from others, other than that of his pet streamer. Pure simulators that can only run beautifully on a NASA PC. Not even gt7 can merge blz and simulator, because if you want to focus on simulation you can go crying, buaaaa they reduced the beauty buaaaa I want an arcade sold as a simulator again. I'll give an example of why beauty and simulation come off as very heavy. Flight Simulator. FM8 must have wanted to follow the same path, but a choice had to be made. Either reduce the physics or focus on the visuals, because it has to go to a console that doesn't beat PC, and PC, what would you do? Were you going to focus on the visuals so that someone could later complain about the physics or vice versa?
@@rodrigo2silvanoob So how do you actually judge this is NOT "my opinion".... by insulting me for not being of YOUR opinion because there is ONLY your opinion e.g. the holy truth?
You're mental and a fanboy and don't realise it..... FM4 was a great game.... but since then Turn10 has spiralled downwards.....
Actually.... FM2 had brought me away from GT4...... but then again you have a glass sphere in which you have seen that to judge me and insinuate that I am a fanboy.....
The only one "sucking up" is you.... to Turn 10 and Microsoft.You are supporting subpar games on current gen consoles..... but keep doing that and see what you get in a few years by lowering your standards under XBox 360 standards.... because that is where FM8 is right now....
Buh buh but, FM developers said it has unmatched visuals, no other racing game has visuals like it, and a few other lies I could quote. So they market the game alllllllllll about the visuals. Hyped it up allllllll about the visuals and here and there about tire model and physics. But they didn't deliver on what sounds like their biggest marketing choice of words/lies. Instead we have 15-19 year old car models that look like plastic, and washed out looking tracks. Driving physics got better, and that's it.
And I'm a much bigger FM fan than the average guy. This one disappoints.
HAHAHA Forza "simcade"
Bruh
lol Forza's dashboard is made of concrete
Another great vid, telling us how it really is! 🙏🏽 GT hands down has always looked better than Forza IMO. You would have thought the new FM would look better, but it doesn't. Also, the finer details in GT have always been amazing. It's the little things that count. I was blown away how in GT the player character model actually puts the h-pattern shifter gear into it's respective gear, how paddle shifts actually line up and click with the character models hands. In Forza it's a joke. The animations are absolute rubbish. Keep up the great work! 💯