The WORST Tactics I have ever SEEN in Cycling | Amstel Gold Race 2021 Ladies
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- Amstel Gold Race Ladies' Edition 2021 featured a closed circuit course of 116km with three climbs each done 7 times, finishing with the Cauberg with 3km to go before a flat 1500m to the finish. Kasia Niewiadoma had won the last edition in 2019 but was up against strong competition with Marianne Vos in fine form, Elisa Longo Borghini wearing the WWT leader's jersey and SD Worx bringing a stacked team as per usual.
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ELB: Sits on because she doesn't want to come 2nd in the sprint
Also ELB: Lets the bunch come back and gets 8th in the sprint
More like lets let this come back together, then I will lead out for my nonexistent teammate from 200m to go to give myself an even worse chance of winning... If I was Niewiadoma I would be livid, its like ELB purposefully played her hand bad to tank Kasias result even when ELB would have certainly have has a better result herself, mindboggling.
@@kr7epj4x I wouldn't give ELB the benefit of the doubt that she had the forethought to ruin someone elses race tbh
I saw ELB in an interview before and she sad that she ride for first position or nothing and she doesn't mind about second places or whatever. I think she wanted to win the sprint with KN, but she lost the occasion to do it.
@@dadodave1 But she should've know that she couldn't win against Vos while she had a 50% (or more) chance of winning against Kasia, sorry but I can only say it was dumb move!
@@KoenMiseur I 100% agree with you. ELB knows she is a slow sprinter and she didn't want to be second one more time in a two riders sprint, I think she hoped to let KN do all the job to keep the group far away and then win the sprint with her. I think even if she's slow in terms of absolute speed that she has to improve her speed, tactics and self confidence cause races may end with a small group of riders like yesterday. And maybe without Marianne Vos...
yeah, that was absolutely horrendous, Niewiadoma was audibly shouting at Longo Borghini to get a move on, totally ignored. It was a great effort by Kasia who clearly wanted to take advantage but man oh man, ELB needs a talking to.
We call these riders “suckers”.....
How come splitting work means to take advantage?
@@andrewdentuzo8278 Take advantage to the group of riders behind them-remember those 2 tried to get away
man oh man? hehehehe, sorry shesheshe!
ELB often has come second carrying her opponent to the finish line. She just didn't care about another 2nd spot, so she played her cards knowing that if she cooperated she would have been beated
Full credit for Niewiadoma for riding a smart and strong race. She deserved better.
I'm new to cycling, can you please dumb it down for noobies like me? 🙏😅 Thank you!
@@naimas8120 in cycling it is extremely advantageous to ride behind someone as it saves a lot of energy the front rider uses going into the wind. When you have two people off the front, to go the fastest, it is best to have both people help with that workload. Elisa refused to help, and the group that was sharing the workload behind the two that had broken away, could more efficiently cover the same ground faster. Had she helped, she would have at worse come second, but refusing to help led them to be caught by the chasing group and not making the podium. Hope that helps
@@zachstevens55 it explained the whole video in one comment! Thank you for this useful and informative comment mb
i would not say anybody deserves anything. When i do a mistake i cannot say i am doing anything right. As you heard: why is she pretending her oponent to take a pull...
Kasia doing 10.5w/kg for a minute up Cauberg and not getting any work out of ELB was nuts. No wonder she was shouting! 🤪
Have you got a link to her strava - I can't find it
@@LanterneRougeCycling she posted a screenshot of her training peaks max 1 min power in her insta stories. From memory she averaged 535w and max 783w...lightweight thermo attack 🔥
Average 500+ watt???
What does 10.5w/kg mean?
@@MaQuGo119 Her power output per kg of bodyweight - so if she is 50kg (to make it easy to calculate) she was pushing 525W for the minute. Relative values make it easier to compare power outputs.
The best is that in a post race interview, Longo Borghini said, “Maybe we looked at each other too much.” I just don’t understand.
the reporter should have asked her straight up why she didn't work with Niewiadoma. One of the dumbest race defining moves we've seen. I doubt the TSF director sportif chewed her out in the team bus afterwards.
@@c-record ELB too often has come second carrying her opponent to the finish line. She just didn't care about another 2nd spot, so she played her cards knowing that if she cooperated she would have been beaten
@@salmiakki5638 did you not listen to the analysis in the video?!? Niewiadoma appeared to not have much left in the tank for a sprint. the odds of winning were in ELB's favor and she threw it away. no excuse for that other than spite or stupidity.
@@c-record can u 100% say with confidence that Niewiadoma had nothing left???? I mean the analysis is just a subjective opinion isnt it
@@sarthakkukreti2444 c'mon man, stop defending stupidity. I'm 100% sure ELB would have finished first or second if she had done her fair share rather than sit up completely. ELB owes it to her team to try to get the highest placing possible, every time, any podium placing is huge for her sponsors. She messed up big time. I hope her teammates chewed her out in the team bus afterwards.
Sums it up perfectly. I don't understand the other commentators saying Niewiadoma is a stronger sprinter... recently not at all.
Even if Niewiadoma were the stronger sprinter if she sat up and waited she still had to sprint against her plus the whole group catching up, the odds are *strictly* less.
Did you pay attention to the video? LR is (rightfully) saying that Newiedoma was top2 performer in this race and if Borghini wouldn’t play that stupid tactic then Newiedoma would be 100% on podium.
Excellent analysis. You put the TV channels to shame - they need to up their game a lot to even get close!
just posted a similar thing. SBS commentary team with a few exceptions are very hard to listen to. He'd be a great addition
At this point they should just forgo the effort of trying and just hire LR to do their recaps.
I've said this for a long time: if i was Newiadoma i would have done exactly the same thing...stopped riding. I'm not going to pull you to the end and get second, i'd rather come nowhere after getting caught by the pack. More riders should do this. 'You won't take a turn? I'm not taking one either!' - it will soon sort out the 'wheel suckers'
By the way, great content Lanterne Rouge; great to see you getting the recognition you deserve. I've said for a long time your work warrants a bigger audience and you're getting it. Chapeau.
Shall we discuss what your manager, teammates and team sponsors will have to say about that?
@@peterfinley8516 As someone who has never been in that position, i'm just giving my opinion. Far too many times i see wheel suckers jump past someone who has done all the work and take the win. If someone is okay with second place, fair enough. I'm just too belligerent, argumentative and combative to be used like that. Obvs team, sponsors etc. count and if i was in that position, i'd think differently. It still annoys. Thanks for the comment, though ;)))
@@johndirom8999 Let me tone that down a little, because your response is fair. In a lot of ways, I'm with you. I hate people who don't pull their weight in life and in sports and are willing to let someone else sacrifice for them only to snatch the glory. The practical side of me says that you have to pull it to the finish because the aforementioned parties will want you on the podium and you owe them something. I also think you owe it to yourself, in a sport in which podium spots are hard to come by for most racers, to claim a result that someday you will look back on and say, "I made the podium at (insert name here) in 2021!" And second is always better than 8th or 10th. But trust me, I'm with you in sentiment. I would want to slow to a crawl, look 'em in the eye and say, "I'm not dragging you home. We both work then sprint or we get caught. Your call, but I'm not your b*tch." And if they waited to call my bluff, I'd want to show them that it's no bluff. I'd want to come to a complete stop on the side of the road if I had to. So, I guess it's a battle between my sentiment and practicality and a duty to the team. My sentiment is with you!
@@peterfinley8516 Thanks for taking the time out to engage, Peter. You're 100% right of course, on reflection; 2nd is always better than 10th. A pro rider has an obligation to fans, teammates, sponsors and to themselves and their legacy/palmares. In this instance, strategy bit Longo-Borghini, but she'll win a lot in her career doing exactly the same; that's cycling. Our sentiments are the same, as is our love of the sport, by the sounds of it. Keep watching, keep enjoying and take care ;)
I think I may have learned more about cycling tactics from your commentary in this video then in any other dozen cycling videos I've ever watched.
I was genuinely bewildered watching Longo Borghini not take a turn
I lost all my respect for longho borghini.
@@marionbauer717 Longo* Borghini
Everyone was too gassed to take a pull.
Longo Borghini wasn't that gassed. She attacked once and then sprinted out from the front from way out front. She probably had fresher legs than the other person with her, and blew the best shit at a stage win by not cooperating.
She took a turn yesterday in Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift™ ;)
Awesome coverage and analysis! Jaw dropping (lack of) strategy from ELB 🤯 Kudos to Kasia 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
LR DID NOT HOLD BACK on this title. Name pronunciations on point too throughout
After butchering the name of the channel....
Perfect title. Elisa’s refusing to work for Kasia made no sense, unless her mistaken belief was the catch would tire out the legs of any possible sprinters. Why let them catch at all? Work a little to assure a victory over Kasia, who was already suffering. I haven’t searched for any interviews for her reasoning - not that they would be easy to find anyway because... women’s cycling.
Personal beefs in cycling are a thing.
And why help after that dog move. Wouldn’t be in that position had she helped earlier.
Its a lesson taught for the next race.
thank you for putting all the work into this coverage. I especially like the way you pause critical points and pop int he names. This is handy for those of us who are challenged by the team jerseys and lack face recognition software! Keep up the good work. Please attempt the same with with the men's races, please.
Oh no someone's about to get destroyed by LR
Finally, proper coverage for these elite athletes. Well deserved and well done.
Finally get proper coverage and decide to showcase the worst amateur tactics ever! Lol
I am here to thank you, once again, for you continued coverage of women's cycling!
To have this title without movistar is pretty crazy :D
HAHAAHAHAHA
:-)
Vomitstar... lol
did you see Annemiek van Vleuten's suicide attack at the base of the last Cauberg? Granted a good move, but doing it from the base she blew herself up basically.
@@MichaelBoogerd True but i think it was her best choice to many fast girls left. Could have waited a bit longer but nothing compared to the trek tactics :D
Considering still hard to find live women races and other channels where to check, the effort from sponsors, riders, family and else, THANK YOU for posting this!!!!!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
thanks for covering the women's edition - much appreciated!!
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Vos almost blew that big time, don't celebrate until you're over the line 😂
Real close to Allaphilliping that finish!
Maybe she(Vos) should have come second ..
And the one who is 2nd (Vollering) actually did that 3 day ago. She certainly learnt the lesson here
No. She was confident she could win.
Almost got pipped ala Ina Teutenberg style. In Redlands back in the day, Ina did this while getting pipped at the line by Nicole Freedman. Ina also simultaneously took out her teammate and race leader Lynne Bessette.
At least Longo Borghini can be looking forward to a christmas card from Vos. Geez...
Watching it live I had no f-ing clue what ELB was up to and thought she was letting a great advantage over the pursuers go to wast. Glad I'm not the only one thinking this way :D
"Alaphilippe style" 😂😂😂
As I was watching this unfold live my brain was already starting to overlay LR commentary. Suicidal tactics from ELB even to a knucklehead like me.
Stupid thing is no one is gonna want to work with her now...
These videos are so good!! Great for me who doesn’t know so much about tactics. I’m really intrigued to follow the development within women’s cycling for the following years. I believe the I redest is going to explode exponentially with the new started pro women’s teams and equal base pay for many.
Thanks for breaking this down - I was so confused watching it 😂
This is unbelievable!! Great commentary as usual! Good stuff!
AvdB knows she's badass when she's got about 7 sets of rainbow bands across her jersey 😂😂
Savage title.
Thx for covering this! It was very interesting how this behavior at the front was punished immediately.
I was waiting for ELB to attack with 400 to go but nothing. I was sad for Kasia because in a normal situation they'd at least have the joy of duking it out. No class or grit from ELB which is a let down
Maybe ELB is just stupid. Looks like it.
Lanterne R. Thanks so much for doing this ,It's great to see that someone is taking the time to analyze the women's races .. Keep it up { please do more of the women races, they need all the promotion they can get we don't see enough of the women's races ...
Thanks for covering the ladies!
It's the first time that I watch women's cycling highlights, congrats LR!
As usual, a good analysis from LR. Shame for Kasia, she deserved at least 2nd. Great effort too from AVV. Two of my favourite riders from amongst the ladies. Clinical finish from MV but back to "elementary school for cycling tactics" for ELB.
great analysis, thank you Lanterne
Ngl, I really love the Amstel finish 2km after the Cauberg. I know Niewiadoma probably doesn't lol but the tactics and suspense really ramps up the tension of the finish of Amstel imo
I agree, this was shocking. Katarzyna and Elisa just threw a minimum second place away. An all or nothing mentality is bullshit on this one. Take those points. But then again, it made for a spectacularly entertaining finale. Honestly, this was so bad, they might even be bought.
You can't blame KN for not carrying on working. Shes done all the work to make the gap and gets absolutely no help, she just going to tow ELB to the finish so she can take second? And if she blows up trying to keep the gap by herself...she might not even get that.
@@alpd7638 She would have kept the gap if she did all the work, that's my assumption.
@@jochem1986 she had gotten immediately attacked by Borgini so I think she was wary of towing Borgini towards the line and then getting attacked again. I think if she was alone she might have won, but the way Borgini was riding was as a domestique intentionally neutralizing a move. So idk, maybe Borgini thought her team had a secret sprint and she hates winning.
@@imjstcl In the previous edition (2019) she broke away solo on the Cauberg and won the race, so I definitely think that she was able to take it again.
LR is the best bike commentator/analyst hands down
Not many comments about DV, but the way she rocketed to MV is quite impressive. Vollering put on quite a show of strength. Congratulations to her.
Awesome review lanterno... Normally i wouldn't watch women's highlights because i know nothing about the female peloton but damn.. imma def do that now
The races are more exciting than mens I'd say. Most of the top women aren't great sprinters so they do more attacks... even if the tactics are a little questionable.
Damn, I gotta start watching women's cycling, it's so unpredictable and amusing. The last bit at the finish line was the cherry on the cake 😂
Nice video Pat!
That was very nearly one of the "celebrating too early" highlights!
Would love to get more insights on the women races when you break it down like this!
We all know ELB deserves this video title
ELB is persona non grata in Poland after Sunday
Great recap thanks!
Trek with the questionable tactics again. Made me happy to see Marianne Vos dust off everyone in that sprint
Great commentary and breakdown of the race absolutely impeccable. Here's the thing. There may be something else going on between the two of them. They were barking back and forth at each other quite a bit and I think there may have been some disgruntled issue there that isn't apparent in racing it may have been between Woman to Woman. We don't often think this way because it there in a bike race. But sometimes things are going on behind the scenes that you have no idea about.
Almost a double highlight reel, celebrating too early
Brings up some questions about the integrity of racing. I’ve enjoyed watching the Italian ride this year but certainly no longer a fan. Would be interested to hear her version of what she was thinking.
this probably has been said before but whats up with all those purple kits? especially while watching live coverage this has to be really hard to tell the teams apart
This. At least the yellow (vos) stands out
I listened to the podcast first on this one, and had to see this finish. I'm going to watch the race now and yell at ELB just for fun.
Also, loved the "Not like you Benji, I'm a degenerate." I was driving, and almost lost it on the highway going 80 MPH, I think that is 120 KPH for you out there in Metric land. Then you followed it up with another lie, it wasn't as memorable, but just as hilarious.
Women's racing is just going from strength to strength right now.
Long may it continue! :)
Bravo Kasia !💕 You er The Best 😊
Also, though, what did you think to SD Worx's tactics, like you said, four riders in the lead chase, know they didn't want to tow Vos to the line but with their roster, felt they could have done much more. Great analysis as always and so glad you have the rights for these races. Good to see they're taking you seriously, it's great exposure for them.
Great analysis--the women's races are almost more exciting then the men's!
I could not for the life of me work out what the hell was going on with the SDW tactics on the last lap and whilst the race was really enjoyable at the time your review was most helpful in clarifying that I was not the only one stumped.
Is there a grudge between ELB and KNiew or maybe ELB is just that afraid of her sprint?
In any case, the most puzzling last couple k's of a race I've seen in a while.
Thanks for the breakdown LR!
I guess she did a mini-Alaphilippe AGR 2019 style, or her brain was fried.
"I have an idea! Let's glass crank it and try to set up a two-up sprint that will never happen because we're being gobbled up by a pack of sprinters. Then we'll sprint for the table scraps. Sound Good?"
Well done Kieran, seems harsh but everyone was thinking the same watching the race.
I don't understand why someone wouldn't just be happy with a potential 2nd place, with the bonus of a potential 1st place, sprinting against just one other person, and instead try and sprint against 10 other people. I just don't. Isn't a podium finish at a race like Amstel Gold is worth racing for?
Its nice that you cover women's racing as well, just as interesting as men's
Thanks for highlighting the women - good stuff
Brilliant tracking the field and jumping almostbefore the attack. well earned win
Great shout out for women’s racing at the end! 👍 like cyclocross, women’s road cycling is quickly becoming a viewers spectacle now it’s finally broadcasted proper.
1st thing: It's spelled "Niewiadoma". 2nd thing: it's funny how Michal Kwiatkowski (also Polish, also former Amstel Gold Race winner) had the same situation happen to him a year before.
keep up the reporting on the women's races glade to be able to see more of them this year.
Just a great breakdown. Thanks!
Very good analyse good man, I enjoyed it.
I really couldn't understand it watching it live. I called it from the bottom of the climb that Vos wasn't done, even with the attack, because those two wouldn't work with each other and Katsia would be tired from the punch up the hill but I never expected Lingo Borghini to sit up. It was a guaranteed podium if they worked together. And if there's a leader's jersey in the women's world tour, then you need to ride like you deserve to wear it, and one of the strongest riders this year failed to do that for herself and her team which had worked so hard for her, Winder especially. Vollering must be pissed she narrowly missed out on two wind just on the throw but what can you say, Vos, true GOAT, she deserves so much more media attention. Nearly 300 wins, unimaginable.
Van Vloutin still took third after being dropped on the Cauberg. That's amazing!
Drew Cama Her name is Van Vleuten...
@@hansolo2121 Sorry hans, be sure to pass on my apologies to all of Holland.
@@drewcama5481 No need for apologies! I am sure if people kept referring to you as Dru Kemma you would also appreciate it if someone would point out their spelling mistake.
@@hansolo2121 If only people were commenting about my cycling greatness LOL. I only care when they write the check that they spell my name right.
I really enjoyed this video, thank you!
SBS should recruit you for commentary........ there is someone on their commentary team that drives me nuts. You'd be a perfect replacement
I know who your talking about whenever I hear that person I feel like pulling my hair out.
Thanks for the non-spoiler video title 🥳
I really felt sorry for Niewiadoma. Even if Longo Borghini took a couple turns and beat her in a sprint it would be a fair second place for Niewiadoma. But I think Longo Borghini was too afraid to lose...
LR just put Longo Borghini in a coffin.
Totally agree.
I will also add that the difference in tactical ability is huge between the mens & womens world tour racing.
Seems odd when both of them have a full team of supposed professionals behind them.
Maybe in general the women just find it harder to grasp.
Thanks for sharing the video
I see your point but I had a slightly different take watching it live (on GCN, not in person). Longo Borghini had to work at least as hard if not harder to catch Niewiadoma on the climb, and the attempt to ride Niewiadoma off her wheel-whether you agree with it or not-looked to have taken what she had left. If ELB takes another pull she really is just dragging Niewiadoma to the line. If Niewiadoma also really had nothing left to give at that point to make an attempt to kick solo to the finish then they were going to get caught anyway. So if neither of them had anything left in the tank to kick solo to the line, they wouldn’t beat the bunch together either, so there really might not have been good choices. Ultimately it doesn’t matter why ELB is refusing to pull through. Once she refuses, you have to go back and ask Niewiadoma why she made the move on the Cauberg. It didn’t look like she did it because she was hoping anyone could stay on her wheel, it looked like she did it because she wanted to try to win the race from the front. It seemed to me watching at the time that they both decided they’d rather lose (or take their chances against Vos in a sprint 😆) than allow the chance the other would win. I respect the perspective you provide but I don’t come down quite as hard on Longo Borghini, it seemed more 60-40 to me. Either way, it’s nice to be talking about women’s racing, I’ve been enjoying it more and more. (I think we can all agree on a hearty “Chapeau!” to Grace Brown though)
LB worked so hard for ELB, if I was LB, I would be really pissed.
Nice gesture from the winners for sending Thank You twitts to Borghini.
All the purples
Used to be shrink it and pink it. I guess the found a new shade
ELB did something similar in tour of flanders. She didnt work to catch the break and then started working too late. She must think other riders are stupid to willingly give her a free ride.
I was yelling at the TV. Agreed! 100%
Very interesting analysis !
The King 👑 Of Kommentary
Excellent analysis
Just started cycling. No idea what you are saying but it looks epic
Thanks for the video.
You deserve your own tv show
Being from Boston, really appreciate your pronunciation of the names. Other than Vos, no way I could say the others!
I remember ELB losing the sprint to Anna Van der Breggen and the other Swedish rider in olympics after she pulled all the way to finish line. May be she had this flashing in here mind for refusing to help Niewdoma.
Indeed, and more recently maybe we should also go back to Strade Bianche 2021, where ELB did all the work dragging Chantal VDBB to the last km and then being dropped?
Also, I wonder how many of the people commentating here would be able to be in ELB's position at the end of a race?
As usual, plenty of armchair commentators here. Maybe before criticising someone for their tactics you should try and be in their position?
Oh, wait... you lack the talent don't you?
@@wotnobrain So, nobrain, you're saying because someone beat her before she should let people beat her again? Strange logic.
ELB was phased by not wearing her Italian champ's jersey.
She forgot which team she was on and thought she had to mess up the chase for SD worx
@@shelleyc853 Ha ha yes! All that purple!
Nice material!
I love Kasia.
You're Not the Only One
i think after the olympic road race you should edit the title of this video 😂
LMFAO!! hahahaha I watched that live and it was super entertaining. I just don't know how on Earth they even think the pay must be the same.
tactivally i agree with your admonition about Longo Borghini and the Canyon Sram Rider(especially Longo Borghini). But hey let‘s also speak about the tactical and metaphysical aspects of annemiek van vleuten‘s tactic that she quitted her attempt to go over the keullberg(however it is pronounced @2.3k to go) in Order not to pass beneath her max Heart rate and to save energy. She saved @ 3rd place. the question is also about communication while beeing in the peloton. Because before i try to jump away i need to know wheter i get company or not(exept speaking about the mental fight)