One difference between 402 and 430 is the era, 402 is modern DRS, with LED style lighting and the multiple working socket, whereas 430 is BR era, with no kickplate like the BR prototypes, and the tail lights are the older style, I have an accurascale one and it is brilliant, but its interesting to see the differences, I think the accurascale is better as the snowploughs are outstanding and I much prefer the magnetic roof on the Accurascale for easy DCC fitment
Both models are fantastic, no doubt, you saw side by side. Both have some amazing features. Both have things which should have been sorted out before dispatch. I’m glad I’ve seen the differences in both, they are definitely not exactly the same. Thanks for watching.
@@piccadillymodelrailways the ending helped me with my snowploughs, useful to know that the NEM pockets come off, I just need to make the thing to stop the bogie moving upward
Fantastic, glad the video was helpful. Just try your loco see if it derails with the NEM pocket, never know you might be lucky. It was my kinematic coupling jamming up which caused the bogie to raise and therefore derail
Thank you for this. I am on the verge of returning to railway modelling and frankly I find this review worrying. The idea that I might spend that amount of money on a model and then find that it derails going over it’s first set of points seems ridiculous. I have seen a number of videos about these class 37s and for the most part they are off putting. Your review is very thorough and includes some minor issues that probably would not bother me too much, such as time delay in switching lights, but derailing on points or 2nd radius curves is completely out of order. At least you didn’t have a problem with the actual motor on the Accurascale model, which several other channels have done. Thanks for posting this thorough review.
Hi, I do understand that’s why we post such videos so any prospective buyer has some idea of what they ‘could’ expect. No model is perfect on every example made and issues do occur. The technology going into models now is phenomenal and this can lead to issues also. Hornby’s railroad range maybe a solution which gives a simpler locomotive using older technology and tooling, but the body side detail can be lacking with many parts moulded rather separately fitted. Modelling N gauge too, again none are perfect but there seems to be a greater reliability rate than OO.
The reason 430 hast got some details that 402 has eg ploughs, kick plates, eth socket in the nose, is because 430 is a modelled as she was in the 80s and 402 is modelled in her current form under drs ownership so she will have more up to date features that a 1980s 37 wouldn’t have.
On a fresh painted loco the fan room bracings below the fan would be grey and would get black over time as that area of the loco gets grubby over time . Fitting snowploughs to 37's were a right pain. Most had to be custom built to the loco as the pipe were not always in the same position if switched around with another 37. Good to see that they have reg air pipes fitted on the buffer beam. These are for multi working and are painted white, with 0 to 50 psi of air in them . 50 psi being full engine revs. The middle plough was held by two pins and the outers were bolted to the frame four bolts per side. We encountered a lot of plough damage due to them hitting certain types of buffer stops. The outer ploughs were also adjustable via a screw. These models are very good . All we need now it smoke and they would be perfect
@@piccadillymodelrailways I was impressed by the fire pull handle detail on the nose end square panel . These were see through plastic covers held in by four screws, a pull ring was the method of removing the cover in the event of a fire in the engine room. Superb detail in that scale
Hi, great video on the leading class 37's on the market, i had an issue with my nuclear flask wagons, i contacted them and they sorted it out, could you please let them know that the locos are not being packaged vey well, it looks like they have taken 1 loco box out and packed the remaining one in the box sent from china! it wouldn't take a lot to actually wrap the main loco box it bubble pack wrapping and not just to rest the bubble pack on top, surely somebody is inspecting the packaging as those locos aren't cheap, thanks for sharing.
Hi, I agree, thats why I included this in my opening shots. Im not connected with them in any way. There is a chat facility on their website at the bottom of the page under ‘contact us’. Richard Watson from New Junction works for Accurascale. I am fairly certain he will be keeping an eye on YT videos about their models, hopefully the packaging message will get through. I also received some nuclear flask wagons to run with this 37. One of my NEM pockets broke off. I did manage to swap couplings over so that the absent one was at the back of the train. All sorted. Yes the Bachmann 37 does need a new speaker, neither model is perfect (yet). It comes down to personal choice.
Hi Simon, I take it you have both models, otherwise such a claim is quite a bold statement to make from a video. The previous Bachmann 37 didn’t look right in this area, but both now look spot on in my eyes. Besides if the windows are all someone sees when viewing such fantastic creations we miss fun, excitement and pure imagination that goes along with these beautiful models. Neither are perfect but both are fantastic in their own right.
The sound decoder is the ESU loksound V4, I fitted one to my DRS Bachmann 37 and it sounded awesome, this is quite an old version now, being released a good 7 years ago, but still ticks all the boxes...
Hi Paul, it is certainly possible you bought a V4 decoder, but the fitted decoder is definitely V5, I’m looking at the sound card as I type. Thanks for commenting.
I only have one 37 and that's a Bachmann 37 558 that's in the livery like 37 430 you have ! I am well pleased with it. I never had a single issue with it! I do feel that Accurascale are releasing models with small niggles that really should be addressed before release? I personally think I would go Bachmann out of the two . Having to do these modifications on a high-end model is ridiculous! I'm not won over by the new company as of yet!
Hi, I do think Accurascale should be applauded as they do have a very high end model which runs well and at least equals Bachmann. In fairness the Bachman has caused many issues too, mainly not running on second radius track, amongst other things. So all in all Bachmann is marginally better but it’s really a tiny amount.
Hi, yes me too. I found that then the bogie was catching on the remaining post causing derailment. I found by fitting 3d printing a plug, it assisted the bogie to turn, been fine ever since. I show this in the video around 27.45 ish
Morning John, glad you're happy with the running now, it's such a shame these things aren't tested fully at manufacture, not everyone is as capable or as diligent as you, so I can see a lot of disappointed modelers out there. I do admire your ability to work through these problems and indeed have the means of printing parts to gain a satisfactory resolution. I know your picadilly line is your first love, but I really do love this 00 layout, I like the idea of a slightly run down station on a main line, and now you can continuously run ,for me it's the ultimate in enjoyment. Thanks for all you do your extremely skillfull and the information you put out there is helpful, it all helps make a difference to a fantastic hobby. You take care looking forward to the next one on either layout, Eddy xx
Thanks Eddie, you are right the issues I experienced anyone could experience. I seen a few people disappointed their model was less than satisfactory. Gratefully I was able to solve the issue to a positive conclusion. Thank you for your continued support and yes the N gauge will always be the main event, but felt I was missing out on the goodies in OO. N gauge will always be the poorer sibling due to its sheer size and space inside each vehicle.
An excellent review, well worth the watch so thank you John. (Just a quick mention about your audio levels dropping off on some of the commentary......don't move away from the microphone!) Regards Julian
I didn’t want to add much more, due to the over-all length of the video. However there are many, many videos on the running performance of both locos. Both run like a dream, bearing in mind what I discovered about the snowplough thing.
I had the same issue with the nem socket and the plough but it just pulls straight out same design as the 55 and 92, comes out to easy really had to add a little glue on the 55 and 92 to keep the rear ones in.
Fabulous review, i have the Bachmann 37 from 2005 I've only just decided to fit the snowploughs at both ends . I think Bachmans idea of having the snowplough in 3 pieces is better as i simply left the central part off allowing for the coupler . I also had to snip off a very small amount of vacuum hose at the number 1 end allowing for the central part off the snowplough . This may be different on the latest model 🙂
Hi, the snow plough on this new release sadly didnt come in three parts, only the one piece NEM pocket style. This unit sits far to far forward and looks odd, but this also means I could not fit the coupling and a snowplough. However, if you look at part 2 of the Caroline project, on my channel, I renumber this loco, but used the accurascale 3 part coupling, and make my own snowplough / magnetic coupling combo. This works a treat...
Great comparison, I only have the Accurascale 37's so interesting to see how good the newly tooled Bachmann's are. With the Accurascale ploughs, the nem pocket needs to be removed and it will then run with ploughs and hoses without derailing on curves. I agree some of the holes need a bit of drilling to better fit the hoses, but worth it to get the "look"
They are both amazing models, no doubt. As you saw my accurascale 37 derailed when I removed the NEM pocket. It only worked well with my shortened/foe NEM pocket, crazy.
@@piccadillymodelrailways remove the pocket bracket which just pulls out and then the bogie will move freely. The guidance note doesn't cover it. I also agree the lights soft switch but long delay and not v bright. Cab control dials amazing
I did exactly that, (shown on the video) and my kinetic post jams, causing the bogie to ride up and derail the loco. Take a look, youll see what I mean. Thanks for commenting.
It looks from the video that you left the post in as I can see the pocket clashes with the plough assembly. Remove the upright post and its works. I have a couple of youtube vids showing the 37 running round with ploughs fitted, but I removed more than I think your video suggests. No doubt Fran will have the answer!😊
A very interesting review John, thank you. I don’t have either of these high fidelity models & was curious to see how they compared. The only other criteria of course is of cost. I believe there is quite a difference on price between the two….
Well yes… it is always a consideration and any purchase of either has to way up the features on offer. Both come as DCC ready, sound and the Bachman has an extra level with tinted windows / rotating fans. The choice be down to each individual. Thank you for watching.
Hi John….. I enjoyed your review, I think in recent years, Accurascale have jumped up the leader board as a manufacturer of high quality detailed models at competitive prices…. Hornby and Bachmann are having to up their game. Regards… Steve 👍
Hi, Bachmann make great rolling stock, to me they are so far in front of Hornby and almost out of sight! Their prices are shocking and eye watering at the same time, Accurascale have great products and they are affordable, there are many way to pay for your items, this is great in the present financial situation we all face.
Hi John, enjoyed the comparison your review seems fair and well put. Just one point did you say the Accurascale does not have cold start or is my selective hearing playing up again ? I have an Accurascale 37026 and this does have this feature on the loco by engaging F8 whilst starting i wonder if this is a loco specific feature. Apologies if i have got the wrong end of your comment, look forward to your next upload. Cheers
Hi Graham, you heard correctly, I press F8 and nothing happens. I heard another reviewer say that refurbished versions of the 37 do not come with the cold start, it’s a shame as it is becoming a common feature on sound models now.
How is the decoder set up straight out of the box for the sound ACCS version? My bachmann 37deluxe has been set up just about correct running wise and I havent fiddled with any cv's of note
Hi, the model runs beautifully but I found the sound quite irritating with the continuous chugging, once I’d changed the CVs it ran and sounded so much better. I think Bachmann have really upped the game, and it can only lead to better models with healthy competition, as long as price stays within what is reasonable. (Assuming we haven’t already passed it ofc)
Hi John. That was one excellent review! My opinoion kept swinging one way or the other through out the entire video. My first impression and something that you didn't mention was the paintwork. 430 semmed to be more of a Network Southeast blue where as 402 seemed to be more accurate. Lighting, yes it is clear that Bachmnn holds that one as it does with the sound chips etc. I have to admit though that I have a bias to 430 as I knew it well when we had it at the Llangollen railway. It arrived in dutch livery with snow plows before being repainted into BR blue and numbered 6430 :) At the endof the day I would prefer the Bachman model but Accurascale are producing some very fine models these days and as you say, it is very close. I'm surprised that t402 came with the NEM pocket issue though. I'm unsure how that got through the QA process! Anyway, thank you again for this video. I found it to be very insiteful :) Cheers Mav
Hi Mav, I was the same flitting from one to the other. I know the Bachmann version quite well now, its successes and fails, but as you say the snowplough issue for me was not something small to be over looked. Derailing on long radius points is something Ive not seen before with any loco. Even the Bachman’s derailments was caused by stray solder on the track. (Quickly dealt with and problem solved). Thank you for watching.
Interesting video. Sorry you seem to have had issues with derailing. I’ve not fitted any of the detail pack yet……. Maybe I’ll leave the snowplough as mine doesn’t de-rail. One of my 2 Bachmann does however de-rail from time to time…… and it has the snowplough fitted. The other Bachmann without runs fine 🤔. Happy with all my 37’s to be honest think my Accurascale pips it purely because it is sound fitted 👍
Thank you, I think its good to put up each next to each other, yes both are amazing. Both also have short comings. My Accurascale 37 rans beautifully without snowploughs. 7/10 any derailing usually comes down to couplings and their affect on things around them. Ie bogies, other couplings and vehicles not forgetting added detail. Its up to you clearly if you fit the snowplough, but the look is definitely worth the effort.
Excellent review. I to own both locos, and I have to say it's the Bachmann all the way for me. It feels like their model has evolved and is much more sorted, whereas the Accurascale is the new kid on the block and it's not quite sure what it's trying to do. The Accurascale is incredibly detailed but this appears to be at expense of quality. It's definitely no SLW Class 24. Those roof hatch hinges and the like actually spoil the model more than enhance it. Lots of tiny niggles but they all add up to be very frustrating. The Bachmann sound version has all the right sounds and functions and they perform brilliantly. The Accurascale has best engine sound but other sounds/functions are poor, the marker lights are extra poor, and as you say the lighting functions are frustratingly slow...cab, head and tail lights. My Acc arrived with chipped paint, missing a lamp iron.....and big finger print on the glazing. Faults can be sorted but it's just a nuisance...it's not like it's the first time I've had problems with Accurascale products!
Yes, I do have to agree. However, as time goes on I do feel Accurascale will improve. Thinking of the chains from the deltic to this 37, they are much better. Anyway, thank you for watching and commenting.
It’s hard to say who wins. I only have the older Bachmann 37 (which is still great), and both of these are clearly ahead of these new ones, however that comes at a price, and due to price differences, I’d actually have to say I prefer the Accurascale model, as both are extremely good, and it is almost impossible to pick between the two of them, however, I am on a bit of a budget, so considering that the price difference between the two models (sound fitted/analog, not the deluxe Bachmann one) is about £40, that automatically makes Accurascale win since both models are equally as good for the most part. On the other hand, it does suck that you can’t do the cold start with the Accurascale one, as that is a feature that I value, and it did seem as if the solution for fitting the plows was not that well thought out on Accurascale’s, even though it was three pieces instead of one. I also think that many parts on the Accurascale one are finer scale, but at the end of the day, pricing is important to me, and if two models are both close to, if not equally as good, I will always go for the cheaper option.
Yes I do understand that and both companies clearly have a budget for each model. I spoke to Accurascale at GETS regarding the cold start and their 37 was recorded in Summer and had been pre-run that day, so the engine was already warm. The cold start sequence was not available. Nothing sinister or misleading. They did say IF they were able to record the cold start, they would reblow peoples’ decoders. Having had both models for a while now I still maintain the Bachmann as is appears to be a more robust model, the Accurascale has had parts fall off, issues with the sound, lights are still VERY dim. I don’t feel as confident to run it for long without something happening. Although Accurascale need to be applauded (I told them this) for producing a model that is, at least, equal to the market leader, some achievement!
@@piccadillymodelrailways very true! To be fair though, I’m not really the best person to ask about these sorts of things, as for me, if a locomotive looks decent and runs well, then I’m more than happy with it, which is why I’m sticking with my older Bachmann one!
Hi John excellent review of the two models. I've not received my accurascale 37 yet so can't comment. I do like my bachmann 37s though although I've fitted roads n rails sound which I feel is slightly better than the bachmann plus I've fitted 2 megabase speakers. I'll have to compare when mine arrive. They do both look fantastic though. Atb Andy
Well… ideally yes the same, but back in the 70s their were slight variants on shade, but nowadays. On the layout you don’t really notice the difference.
Fair enough, in reality the two locos standing next to each other, any difference is not noticeable. I take it you have an Accurascale and a recent Bachman loco to come to this conclusion?
In my opinion I've got the new bachmann large logo and the accurascale large logo. For me the yellow on the accurascale looks too plasticity and bachmann wins for me.
You can fix the duration it takes to turn on with cv or if you have an ESU lokprogrammer that would do the job easy, but you shouldn’t have to do that out of the box, should be done at the factory
Hi, with Accurascale’s help I did manage to get it a bit brighter, nowhere near bright enough. If remembering correctly, you need to change CVs 31/32 to 16 & 0 then its balancing 262 and 318. I need to play around a bit more. If you know the CV values please say.
All that packing around the model is so it can survive a six foot drop test. No kidding, they actually drop them from six foot. Any damage is usually by the postal service.
The price can vary depending on where you go, the choice to buy or not is yours. I did mention Bachman is more expensive but I don’t like stating prices for someone to watch the video in a year and the prices are very different. Thank you for watching
Biggest difference on mine, is the front is very yellow on my Accurascale and very orange on my Bachmann, totally different colours. Bachmann wins, as it has operating roof fans.
Hi, yes I’ve noticed the Bachman is ever so slightly darker on all colours, you can see this in the video with the side by side shots. The camera does seem to emphasise such things. However, for me, it’s not obvious in reality. Of course back in the 70s/80s and 90s depot differences were common place, not so now though.
I might be wrong but I think Accurascale might have plans to allow customers to retrofit a working fan at a later date. Then this feature might well be included as standard on future batch releases....Nowt wrong with bachmann, got quite a few. Their windows are the biggest issue for me. They make a crisply finished loco then stick silly prism effect lenses in the window frames. 😂
very interesting and informative, thankyou, if i win on the horses i would probably go with the accurascale 37 ,dcc ready and fit a esu with a comprehensive sound file and buy something for it to pull, which would probably still be cheaper than the bachmann sound version, as you say they are both amazing models and i agree 100% horses for courses i suppose and how much money you have😀👍
BACHMANN All day long.. So many issues with Accurascale.. Sent 2 back and 2 others will be expensive paperweights.. Accurascale were total ASSES and I ended up cancelling over £5500.00 of pre-orders, of which over £4000.00 were pre-paid.. Got my money back.. Motors stop, sound won't turn off and sound hunts.... NOT WORTH THE MONEY...
Sorry you had so many issues, I think you have been very unfortunate. I spoke to Accurascale at GETS and they are aware of the issues, and will endevour to improve on them for future releases, although that doesn't help yourself. Least you got your money back.
Yet again, issues with the NEM socket. I have banged my head against the wall repeatedly over this, an NEM socket IS MEANT TO BE SET TO A STANDARD !!! and as yet, very few British Outline models meet this. and, until they do realise that it's an international standard, and should be adhered to, then this issue will persist.... get it RIGHT FFS
Hi, Perhaps you should address this with Accurascale, I only bought one of their models, had issues and found a solution. I did chat with Accurascale about and they said they would refer it to the designer/engineer, who was on holiday at the time. However, if you feel really strongly about this you should chat with them yourself.
One difference between 402 and 430 is the era, 402 is modern DRS, with LED style lighting and the multiple working socket, whereas 430 is BR era, with no kickplate like the BR prototypes, and the tail lights are the older style, I have an accurascale one and it is brilliant, but its interesting to see the differences, I think the accurascale is better as the snowploughs are outstanding and I much prefer the magnetic roof on the Accurascale for easy DCC fitment
Both models are fantastic, no doubt, you saw side by side. Both have some amazing features. Both have things which should have been sorted out before dispatch. I’m glad I’ve seen the differences in both, they are definitely not exactly the same. Thanks for watching.
@@piccadillymodelrailways the ending helped me with my snowploughs, useful to know that the NEM pockets come off, I just need to make the thing to stop the bogie moving upward
Fantastic, glad the video was helpful. Just try your loco see if it derails with the NEM pocket, never know you might be lucky. It was my kinematic coupling jamming up which caused the bogie to raise and therefore derail
Thank you for this. I am on the verge of returning to railway modelling and frankly I find this review worrying. The idea that I might spend that amount of money on a model and then find that it derails going over it’s first set of points seems ridiculous. I have seen a number of videos about these class 37s and for the most part they are off putting.
Your review is very thorough and includes some minor issues that probably would not bother me too much, such as time delay in switching lights, but derailing on points or 2nd radius curves is completely out of order. At least you didn’t have a problem with the actual motor on the Accurascale model, which several other channels have done.
Thanks for posting this thorough review.
Hi, I do understand that’s why we post such videos so any prospective buyer has some idea of what they ‘could’ expect. No model is perfect on every example made and issues do occur. The technology going into models now is phenomenal and this can lead to issues also. Hornby’s railroad range maybe a solution which gives a simpler locomotive using older technology and tooling, but the body side detail can be lacking with many parts moulded rather separately fitted.
Modelling N gauge too, again none are perfect but there seems to be a greater reliability rate than OO.
The reason 430 hast got some details that 402 has eg ploughs, kick plates, eth socket in the nose, is because 430 is a modelled as she was in the 80s and 402 is modelled in her current form under drs ownership so she will have more up to date features that a 1980s 37 wouldn’t have.
Hi Ben, yes absolutely. In fact 37430 was scrapped in 2008.
The slow response of the lights is purely down to the way the decoder is programmed. It is easily changed through CV settings
Lol, yes I know, finding the right settings is easier said than done. Thank you for your help.
On a fresh painted loco the fan room bracings below the fan would be grey and would get black over time as that area of the loco gets grubby over time . Fitting snowploughs to 37's were a right pain. Most had to be custom built to the loco as the pipe were not always in the same position if switched around with another 37. Good to see that they have reg air pipes fitted on the buffer beam. These are for multi working and are painted white, with 0 to 50 psi of air in them . 50 psi being full engine revs. The middle plough was held by two pins and the outers were bolted to the frame four bolts per side. We encountered a lot of plough damage due to them hitting certain types of buffer stops. The outer ploughs were also adjustable via a screw. These models are very good . All we need now it smoke and they would be perfect
Fantastic, it’s good to know that the companies did their research and you recognise the features
@@piccadillymodelrailways I was impressed by the fire pull handle detail on the nose end square panel . These were see through plastic covers held in by four screws, a pull ring was the method of removing the cover in the event of a fire in the engine room. Superb detail in that scale
Hi, great video on the leading class 37's on the market, i had an issue with my nuclear flask wagons, i contacted them and they sorted it out, could you please let them know that the locos are not being packaged vey well, it looks like they have taken 1 loco box out and packed the remaining one in the box sent from china! it wouldn't take a lot to actually wrap the main loco box it bubble pack wrapping and not just to rest the bubble pack on top, surely somebody is inspecting the packaging as those locos aren't cheap, thanks for sharing.
Hi, I agree, thats why I included this in my opening shots. Im not connected with them in any way. There is a chat facility on their website at the bottom of the page under ‘contact us’.
Richard Watson from New Junction works for Accurascale. I am fairly certain he will be keeping an eye on YT videos about their models, hopefully the packaging message will get through.
I also received some nuclear flask wagons to run with this 37. One of my NEM pockets broke off. I did manage to swap couplings over so that the absent one was at the back of the train. All sorted. Yes the Bachmann 37 does need a new speaker, neither model is perfect (yet). It comes down to personal choice.
Nice job, such a comparison John!! Never seen before. love it! Cheers Onno.
I have the Bachmann 37 and it goes around my second radius curves no problem.
Great!
I think you've given a fair review, John, and would agree with you about the sound file for the Accurascale.
Thank you, very kind of you. They both amazing models with many plus points, but both have significant failings too.
great review but detail accuracy? window aperture and glazing, which is pretty vital for a class 37 model.
Hi Simon, I take it you have both models, otherwise such a claim is quite a bold statement to make from a video. The previous Bachmann 37 didn’t look right in this area, but both now look spot on in my eyes.
Besides if the windows are all someone sees when viewing such fantastic creations we miss fun, excitement and pure imagination that goes along with these beautiful models. Neither are perfect but both are fantastic in their own right.
Very interesting video John. It’s nice to be able to compare manufacturers versions. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Glad you enjoyed it
The sound decoder is the ESU loksound V4, I fitted one to my DRS Bachmann 37 and it sounded awesome, this is quite an old version now, being released a good 7 years ago, but still ticks all the boxes...
Hi Paul, it is certainly possible you bought a V4 decoder, but the fitted decoder is definitely V5, I’m looking at the sound card as I type. Thanks for commenting.
I only have one 37 and that's a Bachmann 37 558 that's in the livery like 37 430 you have ! I am well pleased with it. I never had a single issue with it! I do feel that Accurascale are releasing models with small niggles that really should be addressed before release? I personally think I would go Bachmann out of the two .
Having to do these modifications on a high-end model is ridiculous! I'm not won over by the new company as of yet!
Hi, I do think Accurascale should be applauded as they do have a very high end model which runs well and at least equals Bachmann. In fairness the Bachman has caused many issues too, mainly not running on second radius track, amongst other things. So all in all Bachmann is marginally better but it’s really a tiny amount.
the nem pocket on the accurascale model can indeed be removed. i have removed mine before and clipped them back in.
Hi, yes me too. I found that then the bogie was catching on the remaining post causing derailment. I found by fitting 3d printing a plug, it assisted the bogie to turn, been fine ever since. I show this in the video around 27.45 ish
Morning John, glad you're happy with the running now, it's such a shame these things aren't tested fully at manufacture, not everyone is as capable or as diligent as you, so I can see a lot of disappointed modelers out there. I do admire your ability to work through these problems and indeed have the means of printing parts to gain a satisfactory resolution. I know your picadilly line is your first love, but I really do love this 00 layout, I like the idea of a slightly run down station on a main line, and now you can continuously run ,for me it's the ultimate in enjoyment. Thanks for all you do your extremely skillfull and the information you put out there is helpful, it all helps make a difference to a fantastic hobby. You take care looking forward to the next one on either layout, Eddy xx
Thanks Eddie, you are right the issues I experienced anyone could experience. I seen a few people disappointed their model was less than satisfactory. Gratefully I was able to solve the issue to a positive conclusion.
Thank you for your continued support and yes the N gauge will always be the main event, but felt I was missing out on the goodies in OO. N gauge will always be the poorer sibling due to its sheer size and space inside each vehicle.
An excellent review, well worth the watch so thank you John.
(Just a quick mention about your audio levels dropping off on some of the commentary......don't move away from the microphone!) Regards Julian
Only 2 clips of the locos actually running in the full video- still a very detailed comparison of the two
I didn’t want to add much more, due to the over-all length of the video. However there are many, many videos on the running performance of both locos. Both run like a dream, bearing in mind what I discovered about the snowplough thing.
They both look great and like so many times two manufacturers see thing differently. Glad you got the problem worked out😊
Thank Jacko, it would have been a crying shame if they produced something fantastic looking that had serious faults
ERRRM WELL, YES… The video flipped upside for the intro, I know… am I worried - no, the rest I think is ok lol. Oh well…
Two great models John and I’m looking forward to my Accurascale 37 to arrive .
Cheers Kev
They are lovely Kev, run so well, just be prepared to do tiny amount of work towards that smoothness
I had the same issue with the nem socket and the plough but it just pulls straight out same design as the 55 and 92, comes out to easy really had to add a little glue on the 55 and 92 to keep the rear ones in.
I’m sure, in time all these niggles will be addressed
Fabulous review, i have the Bachmann 37 from 2005 I've only just decided to fit the snowploughs at both ends . I think Bachmans idea of having the snowplough in 3 pieces is better as i simply left the central part off allowing for the coupler . I also had to snip off a very small amount of vacuum hose at the number 1 end allowing for the central part off the snowplough . This may be different on the latest model 🙂
Hi, the snow plough on this new release sadly didnt come in three parts, only the one piece NEM pocket style. This unit sits far to far forward and looks odd, but this also means I could not fit the coupling and a snowplough.
However, if you look at part 2 of the Caroline project, on my channel, I renumber this loco, but used the accurascale 3 part coupling, and make my own snowplough / magnetic coupling combo. This works a treat...
@@piccadillymodelrailways many thanks for the info 👍
Good review, I have worked on both full sized versions when at Cardiff Canton
Good to know
Great comparison, I only have the Accurascale 37's so interesting to see how good the newly tooled Bachmann's are. With the Accurascale ploughs, the nem pocket needs to be removed and it will then run with ploughs and hoses without derailing on curves. I agree some of the holes need a bit of drilling to better fit the hoses, but worth it to get the "look"
They are both amazing models, no doubt. As you saw my accurascale 37 derailed when I removed the NEM pocket. It only worked well with my shortened/foe NEM pocket, crazy.
@@piccadillymodelrailways remove the pocket bracket which just pulls out and then the bogie will move freely. The guidance note doesn't cover it. I also agree the lights soft switch but long delay and not v bright. Cab control dials amazing
I did exactly that, (shown on the video) and my kinetic post jams, causing the bogie to ride up and derail the loco. Take a look, youll see what I mean. Thanks for commenting.
It looks from the video that you left the post in as I can see the pocket clashes with the plough assembly. Remove the upright post and its works. I have a couple of youtube vids showing the 37 running round with ploughs fitted, but I removed more than I think your video suggests. No doubt Fran will have the answer!😊
A very interesting review John, thank you.
I don’t have either of these high fidelity models & was curious to see how they compared.
The only other criteria of course is of cost. I believe there is quite a difference on price between the two….
Well yes… it is always a consideration and any purchase of either has to way up the features on offer. Both come as DCC ready, sound and the Bachman has an extra level with tinted windows / rotating fans.
The choice be down to each individual. Thank you for watching.
Excellent review John many thanks! British diesels are not my cup of tea but there is no denying these are magnificent models. Cheers, Joachim
Many thanks Joachin
if the bachmann one had a better speaker and was cheaper it would get extra points...
Hi John….. I enjoyed your review, I think in recent years, Accurascale have jumped up the leader board as a manufacturer of high quality detailed models at competitive prices…. Hornby and Bachmann are having to up their game.
Regards… Steve 👍
Hi, Bachmann make great rolling stock, to me they are so far in front of Hornby and almost out of sight! Their prices are shocking and eye watering at the same time, Accurascale have great products and they are affordable, there are many way to pay for your items, this is great in the present financial situation we all face.
Hi John, enjoyed the comparison your review seems fair and well put. Just one point did you say the Accurascale does not have cold start or is my selective hearing playing up again ? I have an Accurascale 37026 and this does have this feature on the loco by engaging F8 whilst starting i wonder if this is a loco specific feature. Apologies if i have got the wrong end of your comment, look forward to your next upload. Cheers
Hi Graham, you heard correctly, I press F8 and nothing happens. I heard another reviewer say that refurbished versions of the 37 do not come with the cold start, it’s a shame as it is becoming a common feature on sound models now.
Hi John, a very strange omission as you say it is a feature on most sound locos now!
This will be an interesting one. I have 2 Bachmann 37’s and the the new Accurascale………..I’ll comment again in 30 minutes!! 👍
Officially the longest half hour 😁
How is the decoder set up straight out of the box for the sound ACCS version? My bachmann 37deluxe has been set up just about correct running wise and I havent fiddled with any cv's of note
Hi, the model runs beautifully but I found the sound quite irritating with the continuous chugging, once I’d changed the CVs it ran and sounded so much better. I think Bachmann have really upped the game, and it can only lead to better models with healthy competition, as long as price stays within what is reasonable. (Assuming we haven’t already passed it ofc)
Hi John. That was one excellent review! My opinoion kept swinging one way or the other through out the entire video. My first impression and something that you didn't mention was the paintwork. 430 semmed to be more of a Network Southeast blue where as 402 seemed to be more accurate. Lighting, yes it is clear that Bachmnn holds that one as it does with the sound chips etc. I have to admit though that I have a bias to 430 as I knew it well when we had it at the Llangollen railway. It arrived in dutch livery with snow plows before being repainted into BR blue and numbered 6430 :)
At the endof the day I would prefer the Bachman model but Accurascale are producing some very fine models these days and as you say, it is very close. I'm surprised that t402 came with the NEM pocket issue though. I'm unsure how that got through the QA process!
Anyway, thank you again for this video. I found it to be very insiteful :)
Cheers
Mav
Hi Mav, I was the same flitting from one to the other. I know the Bachmann version quite well now, its successes and fails, but as you say the snowplough issue for me was not something small to be over looked. Derailing on long radius points is something Ive not seen before with any loco. Even the Bachman’s derailments was caused by stray solder on the track. (Quickly dealt with and problem solved).
Thank you for watching.
Interesting video. Sorry you seem to have had issues with derailing. I’ve not fitted any of the detail pack yet……. Maybe I’ll leave the snowplough as mine doesn’t de-rail.
One of my 2 Bachmann does however de-rail from time to time…… and it has the snowplough fitted. The other Bachmann without runs fine 🤔.
Happy with all my 37’s to be honest think my Accurascale pips it purely because it is sound fitted 👍
Thank you, I think its good to put up each next to each other, yes both are amazing. Both also have short comings. My Accurascale 37 rans beautifully without snowploughs. 7/10 any derailing usually comes down to couplings and their affect on things around them. Ie bogies, other couplings and vehicles not forgetting added detail. Its up to you clearly if you fit the snowplough, but the look is definitely worth the effort.
My 66 has just arrived packed the same bubble wrap at top model at bottom? Its ok though.
Good to read. I didn’t get any 66s my hattons one are fine
What can i say John..The both of them are Awesome. Faults and all.
Absolutely Mlud, both models are amazing, can’t get over this snowplough thing though. Oh well…
Just noticed you’d changed you channel name MLUD LOL
@@piccadillymodelrailways It`s a youtube thing..
Excellent review. I to own both locos, and I have to say it's the Bachmann all the way for me. It feels like their model has evolved and is much more sorted, whereas the Accurascale is the new kid on the block and it's not quite sure what it's trying to do. The Accurascale is incredibly detailed but this appears to be at expense of quality. It's definitely no SLW Class 24. Those roof hatch hinges and the like actually spoil the model more than enhance it. Lots of tiny niggles but they all add up to be very frustrating. The Bachmann sound version has all the right sounds and functions and they perform brilliantly. The Accurascale has best engine sound but other sounds/functions are poor, the marker lights are extra poor, and as you say the lighting functions are frustratingly slow...cab, head and tail lights.
My Acc arrived with chipped paint, missing a lamp iron.....and big finger print on the glazing. Faults can be sorted but it's just a nuisance...it's not like it's the first time I've had problems with Accurascale products!
Yes, I do have to agree. However, as time goes on I do feel Accurascale will improve. Thinking of the chains from the deltic to this 37, they are much better. Anyway, thank you for watching and commenting.
It’s hard to say who wins. I only have the older Bachmann 37 (which is still great), and both of these are clearly ahead of these new ones, however that comes at a price, and due to price differences, I’d actually have to say I prefer the Accurascale model, as both are extremely good, and it is almost impossible to pick between the two of them, however, I am on a bit of a budget, so considering that the price difference between the two models (sound fitted/analog, not the deluxe Bachmann one) is about £40, that automatically makes Accurascale win since both models are equally as good for the most part. On the other hand, it does suck that you can’t do the cold start with the Accurascale one, as that is a feature that I value, and it did seem as if the solution for fitting the plows was not that well thought out on Accurascale’s, even though it was three pieces instead of one. I also think that many parts on the Accurascale one are finer scale, but at the end of the day, pricing is important to me, and if two models are both close to, if not equally as good, I will always go for the cheaper option.
Yes I do understand that and both companies clearly have a budget for each model. I spoke to Accurascale at GETS regarding the cold start and their 37 was recorded in Summer and had been pre-run that day, so the engine was already warm. The cold start sequence was not available. Nothing sinister or misleading. They did say IF they were able to record the cold start, they would reblow peoples’ decoders.
Having had both models for a while now I still maintain the Bachmann as is appears to be a more robust model, the Accurascale has had parts fall off, issues with the sound, lights are still VERY dim. I don’t feel as confident to run it for long without something happening.
Although Accurascale need to be applauded (I told them this) for producing a model that is, at least, equal to the market leader, some achievement!
@@piccadillymodelrailways very true! To be fair though, I’m not really the best person to ask about these sorts of things, as for me, if a locomotive looks decent and runs well, then I’m more than happy with it, which is why I’m sticking with my older Bachmann one!
Big difference I notice is the Bachmann's body seems a lot deeper, very noticeable at the yellow section at the front. Not sure which is correct
Im seeing two fantastic models, yes they are different, both to be enjoyed. Im just having fun, that’s the bottom line.
@@piccadillymodelrailways me too, they are both great but a noticeable difference in the body depth, great review btw
The machmann nose is a separate part, which leads to a seam where it joins and a slightly too long nose
Hardly anything between them i would say main reason for choosing either would come down to price
Absolutely, and Accurascale gave to be commended for producing a model which is, at least, equal to the market leader.
Hi John excellent review of the two models. I've not received my accurascale 37 yet so can't comment. I do like my bachmann 37s though although I've fitted roads n rails sound which I feel is slightly better than the bachmann plus I've fitted 2 megabase speakers. I'll have to compare when mine arrive. They do both look fantastic though. Atb Andy
Absolutely, the two models can happily sit side by side, with each complimenting each other.
Should they both be the same colour blue/bluey green or not?
Well… ideally yes the same, but back in the 70s their were slight variants on shade, but nowadays. On the layout you don’t really notice the difference.
@piccadillymodelrailways cheers for the reply. I hope to see the N gauge layout soon when you get time. Thanks for the great videos.👌
Hi James, I’ve already posted 3-4 N gauge videos in the past 2 weeks. I’m building Dinting station. Take a look.
Fair review.
But 2 different colours of the blue, and the A/S model looks better
On the front windscreens.
Fair enough, in reality the two locos standing next to each other, any difference is not noticeable. I take it you have an Accurascale and a recent Bachman loco to come to this conclusion?
In my opinion I've got the new bachmann large logo and the accurascale large logo. For me the yellow on the accurascale looks too plasticity and bachmann wins for me.
Worked these double headed Welbeck colliery to Toton in the 70s with 43 mgrs coal good days, Stabled at Shirebrook West, Now all gone.
Sadly yes all gone. You have some great memories though
both great models but why does the bachmann cost 40% more..?
That I cannot answer, pound for pound they are both amazing models.
You can fix the duration it takes to turn on with cv or if you have an ESU lokprogrammer that would do the job easy, but you shouldn’t have to do that out of the box, should be done at the factory
Hi, with Accurascale’s help I did manage to get it a bit brighter, nowhere near bright enough. If remembering correctly, you need to change CVs 31/32 to 16 & 0 then its balancing 262 and 318. I need to play around a bit more. If you know the CV values please say.
@@piccadillymodelrailways let me take a look
All that packing around the model is so it can survive a six foot drop test. No kidding, they actually drop them from six foot. Any damage is usually by the postal service.
Yes I can quite believe it inc drop height. Thank you for your comment.
Your comparison included everything but the price. Bachmann are way too expensive by comparison
The price can vary depending on where you go, the choice to buy or not is yours. I did mention Bachman is more expensive but I don’t like stating prices for someone to watch the video in a year and the prices are very different. Thank you for watching
Biggest difference on mine, is the front is very yellow on my Accurascale and very orange on my Bachmann, totally different colours. Bachmann wins, as it has operating roof fans.
Hi, yes I’ve noticed the Bachman is ever so slightly darker on all colours, you can see this in the video with the side by side shots. The camera does seem to emphasise such things.
However, for me, it’s not obvious in reality. Of course back in the 70s/80s and 90s depot differences were common place, not so now though.
I might be wrong but I think Accurascale might have plans to allow customers to retrofit a working fan at a later date. Then this feature might well be included as standard on future batch releases....Nowt wrong with bachmann, got quite a few. Their windows are the biggest issue for me. They make a crisply finished loco then stick silly prism effect lenses in the window frames. 😂
I do hope so, I love peering down on the working fans
not worth 100 quid more for a fan
very interesting and informative, thankyou, if i win on the horses i would probably go with the accurascale 37 ,dcc ready and fit a esu with a comprehensive sound file and buy something for it to pull, which would probably still be cheaper than the bachmann sound version, as you say they are both amazing models and i agree 100% horses for courses i suppose and how much money you have😀👍
Lol Andy, looks like you’ll have to play your cards right on the gee gees lol.
Bachmann definitely has a better chassis.
BACHMANN All day long.. So many issues with Accurascale.. Sent 2 back and 2 others will be expensive paperweights.. Accurascale were total ASSES and I ended up cancelling over £5500.00 of pre-orders, of which over £4000.00 were pre-paid.. Got my money back.. Motors stop, sound won't turn off and sound hunts.... NOT WORTH THE MONEY...
Sorry you had so many issues, I think you have been very unfortunate. I spoke to Accurascale at GETS and they are aware of the issues, and will endevour to improve on them for future releases, although that doesn't help yourself. Least you got your money back.
Accurascale wins
For me it would be the ViTrains Class 37 as it was made in Italy, not China. Not buying anything made in China this year.
Fair enough. Ive never owned a Vitrains 37, but I am pleased for your decision.
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Looks almost the same. Definitely, they are not identical twins...😂😅
No, both have their pluses but equally both have shortcomings
Yet again, issues with the NEM socket. I have banged my head against the wall repeatedly over this, an NEM socket IS MEANT TO BE SET TO A STANDARD !!! and as yet, very few British Outline models meet this. and, until they do realise that it's an international standard, and should be adhered to, then this issue will persist.... get it RIGHT FFS
Hi, Perhaps you should address this with Accurascale, I only bought one of their models, had issues and found a solution. I did chat with Accurascale about and they said they would refer it to the designer/engineer, who was on holiday at the time. However, if you feel really strongly about this you should chat with them yourself.
I have a kadee gauge and the NEM is bang on correct, sadly so many earlier models are not