Thanks for watching my video. I recorded this in one shot last week and have some post-edit notes: 1) Some universities including Harvard do not charge ANYTHING if your family income is below a certain threshold. If you qualify, it's absolutely worth apply to these schools. 2) I misspoke when I said there are 50 PhD holders per tenure track professor position. If you can finish your PhD, your prospects at a professorship are not good but they're not quite that grim. I added a table to show more accurate numbers for each field. These vary by country. Regardless of whether you choose to go to university / where you study / what you study - please know that the global freeCodeCamp community has got your back. We're all cheering for you to succeed. And we're working hard to create these free, self-paced learning resources to help you get there. 🏕
Hey Quincy! Thank you for this super amazing video 🤗 I really wanted some help in regards to higher studies and info about that. I can't thank you enough, I'm ever so indebted! 🙏🎊
Hi Quincy, I just need to say thank you for more information you just passed on to me, it is highly valuable to me as well as my people here in South Africa. Only a few who has such information in my region, definitely I'm going to let them know too and be selfless as you do. I just love this organisation, FREECODECAMPER FOREVER...
If you're in a country where education is free, then yes, it's probably worth it, not necessarily to learn or gain knowledge, but to participate in a community, make connections and gain experience. at least this is my current view and experience, i'm in my 2nd year and it's been great so far.
In my country is free but im currenly working as a software engineer so if I wanna study, i'll need to pay for it because the course-scheduling is unsuitable with my work
Some community colleges are so good that, after completing your AA, they will allow you to take university courses sponsored by a university. They'll let you take 3rd and 4th year classes right at your CC, at reduced cost.
Yes. Only because even engineering jobs require a bachelors in the US. I do know many engineers who were like a history major or something, but most job postings require a bachelors. I do recommend going to a local community college for the basics, transfer to 4 year for the last 2 years. Pick a community college that feeds directly into the university.
@@fayelis Unlike being a doctor or lawyer, there is no legal requirement to become an engineer. Build work experience, create your own projects and then tailor your resume to your goal.
It depends. I work in finance and it is very difficult to get a job without a degree. Undergrad was meh. I got a masters in financial mathematics and I learn a lot from that. But I still spend a lot of time learning new technologies/programming languages as I pivoted towards the data side. A degree is an investment but it isn’t risk free unless you get it fully paid for.
@@karag4487 Sorry for the late response. My degree was in business/finance. I had to take an additional 6 mathematics classes and 1 programming class to get in grad school. It was tough but worth it. It gave me skills that most MBAs or finance professionals don’t have.
I recently graduated in College as a Computer Engineer and this video pop up in my notification LOL, I got a QA Engineer job literally a day after the graduation day.
From my freshmen year to sophomore, I am not that serious taking my course, I am more of a playboy and party goer guy, I started to take my course seriously when I am a senior. Started learning various programming languages that is currently in-demand and participating hackathons and apply for multiple interships as software engineer, I know 3 out 4 of my college years is a bummer but take the last year seriously like a bootcamp and you will have a skill of a person that earned the skills in online course + plus a degree, you will have 100% employment rate when you have that in you resume.
Going to college/uni is worth as much as you can take out of it. If you know what you want to learn, learn it from the best and be surrounded with other ambitious people who are working in the industry to become the best, as well getting a lot of connections, then a good college might be a place for you. However it is easy to mess it up and end up in a worse position if you make wrong decisions
Yup, thats why i think its so unfortunate that students are pressured to go to college so early; many of them still dont know who they are or what they truly want in life: Many of them end up in college unprepared, not really wanting to be there, struggling by, gaining no real-world experience or new social skills, and having no professional support (and God help them if they go into debt for a major like Art History too, then they're **really** screwed). These students are then compared against other students who DO know what they want, who got big internships at Microsoft/Goldman Sachs/Smithsonian/etc, who won competitions, and who gained powerful connections that gave them the hookup; and if these other students went to Ivy Leagues too?? its almost guaranteed they'll be THROWN jobs before they even graduate. When you truly know who you are, what you want, how to focus, and how to do business with finesse, THEN college is worth it, because otherwise, the college-system will eat you alive if you have no real drive or no professional network to help you.
I did start college, but never finished it. All those years were filled with lectures not related to IT even tho I was studying IT. I say uni/college is a complete waste. I am strong developer now, but If I started working as programmer by the age of 19 I can't imagine how much better I would be. Uni college is not for everyone. I did well just died of boredom and during last year thought "wth im even doing here" dropped it just before final exams - absolutely zero regrets.
And I say this nearing amount of wealth where I can buy (not rent) a decent house. If I started my career earlier I would likely already have it by now. uni/college is a scam at least for programming, some other disciplines strictly require it, however dont be fooled, your first employer will value your personal projects more than diploma, with just diploma you have virtually close to zero chance to get hired.
and this works that way because most education programs in uni/college is outdated you will learn programming basics and how to solve math problems. that is like 1/10th of what skillset you'll need in an actual job.
You are right. They teach you all the maths, physics, electronics, hardware, computer science but they barely teach you how to be a real programmer and how to work in the tech industry. If I were young again, would do bootcamps and get a job, then I would learn theoretical stuff by myself if I needed to.
College was the biggest opportunity cost of my life. I finished college around 2012 and moved to Austin to start my career. The houses in Austin metro at that time were like 150k or less. I tried to get a mortgage but my debt to income ratio was too high to quality. In 2022, those same houses were worth like 550k+. Because of my college loans I missed out on the once in a lifetime opportunity of getting a cheap house in an up and coming city. That would have changed the entire course of my life. College was worst financial decision of my life. I'm still butthurt about it. I didn't quality for free school like my friend because my dad made too much money. He was a teacher. But my parents were not paying for my college? How is that fair.
I have completed my college for bachelors in computer science and I now have the same knowledge which I had after completing my school, but now I'm doing online courses which I think would teach me more than my college, I mean college is pointless in software field but it may vary according to the field you're choosing.🙌
at least you can become a manager and make more money even with the same knowledge, because you will have the piece of paper which I am working in at 34 and I am not learning anything lol
To be entirely honest, I think we just need to stop making kids make that choice while they're still, you know, kids. Even technical colleges and trade schools are relatively expensive and time-intensive. I think we'd be better off as a society if we ditched that, and just let people feel things out for their first years of adulthood. I think we should normalize and encourage choosing college later on in their late-twenties or early-thirties. And present alternative educational resources for people who have specific areas they'd like to improve on in preparation for other things.
@@Slawa_Saporogezof course it does. Lol not surprised. But let’s realize that HOMOGENOUS countries tend to look after their own. That is SO not that case in America in fact, the govt shows it’s hatred to all of its citizens in some way or another except the very top 1% which means wealthy lobbyists & politicians. Starting w poisoning dang near everything that’s supposed to be edible .
@@Slawa_Saporogez So do people look for jobs after secondary school or do they attend vocational school first then look for jobs? And after that, you're saying some go to uni somewhere in their late 20's, but do those people need to have an Abitur to apply, or they can just apply immediately since they've already worked before? I'm curious.
With age it gets harder to study cause you start losing the focus. The earlier you can get the best education you can afford, the better. After that you can explore and look for other opportunities. If you haven't found any particular area you want to be in yet, get some useful degree as a foundation - in English, foreign languages, economics, etc., which will get you at least some entry job to start with.
Look at going to college like joining the military....it is a backup plan that comes into play when the economy gets tight. As of now, with a tight labor market and mass layoffs, many companies and teams within companies are not sniffing an application without a degree of any kind....and in SWE, they want CS or ECE degrees specifically.
I've been seeing in both UK and USA that entry level roles are becoming severely competitive because of the economic situations. Employers now care more about degrees as a way of filtering out candidates. You're definitely right and its worth it as a backup if you can afford it.
College can be worth it if you intend to use the experience to build relationships, challenge yourself, and pursue a career that requires specialized education, such as in medical, engineering, or accounting fields. It may help in becoming more reliable and achieving long-term goals. On the other hand, if your primary objectives for attending college are social or you're pursuing a degree without clear career prospects, the substantial expense may not justify the benefits. However, individual outcomes can vary, and some have found success even in unconventional paths
I have a bachelors of science in Computer Science since 2019 and im still unemployed almost 4 years later. College degrees are worthless right now for me as job market is fucked.
I absolutely love free code camp, but it is a shame that governments around the world don't take education into their own hands making it free and accessible for everyone, that would really speed up the transition to more open and accessible education.
If governments take control of education they will only teach the science of destruction and war not creating things that benefit all. There is already a solution for accessible education: the internet.
Professional education cannot be free. It should be financed by you or by someone else if you can prove your motivation. Teachers also need to be motivated by your choice. Free education is a paved road to a corruption and waste of time and resources, including your own.
I chose to study software engineering at WGU. Started on August 1. Yeah, studying is free, but I’m someone who will stay on the same subject for a year without some kind of path or structure. So, college is worth it for me. That said, WGU is $4K a semester, which is not expensive, and is regionally accredited, so it’s not a diploma mill. College doesn’t need to be expensive.
@@djbobby224True, but for the average, it’s not. Boot camps are $20K for 9 - 12 months. I made the mistake of getting my associate’s from a private college, which was almost $14K for one semester.
14:00 I studied Petroleum Engineering and worked in that field for 10 years, now working as a SWE/EM for a lot of the reasons here. No regrets as it was a challenging field and prepared me well for problem solving and project management.
I think it depends on the person. Let's be honest, most people go to college because they lack discipline. With all material available online you can self-educate yourself. I knew people who taught themselves how to code via free sources. It is hard work but doable. However, this approach can not be applied to certain fields such as medicine.
A good education first of all is the way to learn how to think and find non-trivial solutions which can be learned only from other smart people. Most of the so-called "self-taught programmers" miss this fundamental step and think that programming is the typing a lot of code fast. They cannot understand complex abstract concepts and are absolutely sure that programmers need no math, because they've never seen that university math which programming is based on. They also think that they are great teachers, but their videos are full of errors and wrong concepts which will be leading to more issues later.
I think with the tecnology improvement the university will be left aside in the short term, now you can find books online not only in the university’s library, you have a lot of videos and youtube to clear doubts, you have a lot of software tools to practice in your home, even a lot of ways to communicate with other people, these kind of tools we did not have it 15 years ago and the university was the only way to gain knowledge…
This system is such a fail of only the rich can go to college or university. This should be entirely free or at a symbolic cost. It should be open to anyone. I really dislike this system. Luckily, I live in a country where all of this is almost free and therefore open to anyone. Furthermore we can be so happy to have Free Code Camp. What an awesome resource!!!
As someone who was in High School trying to get through college as early as possible, DO NOT TAKE AP CLASSES. In the state of Georgia, most AP will NOT transfer into college credits, and the classes are typically more difficult than just taking a 2 year institution course. What should be recommended is a Dual-Enrollment system that is designed to allow high school students to take actual college classes and transfer those credits into their degree program and reduce amount of time and money spent per semester. If you have the opportunity to take dual-enrolled courses, go for your core classses and not just what interests you, you will save a ton of time. From my junior year to senior year in High School, i managed to finish 10 classes, 9 of which I completed with flying colors.
computer science major here and software engineer isn't what i went to school for. that would be the much better cybersecurity field .. not quite a difference in pay neither but i feel cybersecurity is just far more valuable and stable as a long term job security
short answer, no. rn im stuck on smester 13 of master degree simply because of the thesis. idk about you guys but in indonesia, things were made inconsistently difficult, the requirements are: app should be made in web or android or robot; app should have ai; unless if its a robot, app should be online and has database. these requirements hold back a lot of creative ideas you could throw to make a program that actually useful. they dont want you to finish your college without creating something they can patent to sell for thelmselves. if i have a kid, the first thing im gonna tell my kids are to get diploma then work then master degree.
College degree is just a piece of paper to get a job, be an employee and climb the corporate ladder. It is not worth it if you want to own your own business, you can learn anything for free anywhere.
MOST rich people stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without stopping then most poor people stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich but impressing them
I think this is just a narrative. The rich are rich so they can spend and still have money because they still produce. If you need to live like a poor person to remain rich in reality you are not rich, but rather most probably an upper middle class professional who is making more money than the average person.
College is worth if you study a real thing like math, science, philosophy or law and if you leverage it. If you study computer science and barely program, have no real knowledge and dont even have a interest you won't make it far but if you study math and do it hard, which seems more abstract and less applicable, you unlock a potential to work in almost every technical field available. With college you prove yourself that you can and like studying and will be able to do that for companies and institutions as well in certain fields. Brilliant analysis. The problem qith liberal arts is that by themselves, they may not constitute a skill for 90% of its students. Id love a similar rigurous analysis to explain how unstoppable is a US gradutate. Someone who has 25k of debt, has worked his ass off during college in 2 jobs while passing is simply impossible to compete with in the real world, that's part of the reason they unlock this huge salaries.
There are degrees like Finance where it's impossible to land at a job without a degree. In Europe, you can't get a banking job without a Master's degree. In something like Risk Management PhD is very desirable because you need to know how to research, work with data, statistical analysis and econometrics. Bear in mind paid degrees are like 10 times cheaper in Europe, there are stipends available, and in some countries it's free. No one is borrowing money to get a degree. Being in debt is frowned upon.
Nepotism will do more for you in the tech career field than any degrees. I've watched highly qualified people get passed over again and again and again for so-and-so's son, second cousin, ex-wife, etc.
If you want to emigrate to one of the countries where a residence permit is granted on a points-based system, such as Canada or Austria, you have zero chances in comparison to the more qualified people who have a degree.
I agree, but i think there needs to be more nuance to this: While you could theoretically "work your way up" in other industries without a bachelor's, things can get tricky if, for example, you lose your job before you had a chance to really move up in the company. Then you gotta start over at another company, compete against other people who have experience AND degrees, just so you could **maybe** have a shot at moving up. A bachelor's (in a "marketable" major) gives you a good baseline where you dont always need to start from the bottom-of-the-barrel. If you ever gotta move somewhere else, or your company closes down a location (which is happening ALOT nowadays), that bachelor's will atleast keep you in the running for mid-level to manager-level positions. I only had a high school diploma for the LONGEST, and despite me having so much experience, several industries were still wanting that bachelor's, because simply having alot of experience in one industry didnt necessarily translate to experience in other industries--but a Bachelor's (in the right major) translates everywhere. So im back in college, and already, its opening up doors i wouldnt have had otherwise.
I have to decide between accounting or business administration by October. I'll probably end up doing an accounting degree with a finance concentration. Right now, I'm a year in community college with a 3.75 GPA and I'm planning on transferring to a four-year university next year as I already have done a year so far. I didn't plan on going to college when I graduated from high school, but I was just working odd jobs, smoking pot, and training mma all the time which seemed like a waste. I hate college so much. Not because its hard but because I don't know if it's going to be pointless. I'm in a household of three that makes 45 grand a year collectively. I have no safety net really so if college is bust, I will be fucked but I don't know any good alternatives that won't just be a dead-end job.
Uni is worth it, dont let the price or loans dissuade you. Rather, you need to make sure you make enough money to do what you need and want. Not going to school is wise only if you can become an entrepreneur early in life. Most people cant. If you cant make money as a youngster and you dont have education or skills then you will have a very miserable life.
As a coder and linux system administrator, I didn't go to college. I make a good living, but not FAANG level. The advantage: I never waited for a class to learn new things. I'm always learning. In that way I'm quicker to pick up new tech than many college grads. I keep work interesting by jumping on the hardest projects. This disadvantage: I've had some boring jobs where everyone else is more excited about watching sport that learning science and tech. I often wish studied with a bunch of enthusiastic smart people and gone on to companies where people loved tech and learning. Also I like smart college people and find them interesting but don't really fit in without a degree.
Definitely not youtubers and great teacher's explains so good that we understand everything and we can crack the interview's also only the thing is that we will not get the government authorised certificate for that we have to go for college's and pay money for that.
What's no one talks about is that you are wasting you time and wasting your money just for someone or company MAYBE accept you. For most people university is not the best idea, mainly these days that knowledge is widely available. The rule is if you need a job you should avoid university. For most people university will keep them poor. P.S.: I'm not a native English speaker. Sorry if there's any grammar mistake.
for me well yes if you want to become a lawyer doctor engineer business etc with some bar exam or with phd but it depends on school but before you go to college pls choose you want not because of money choose wisely
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I think highschool is useless if you know what you want from life or have guidance from family. If in highschool you put extra work going to a mentor in the field you want, then in uni you can focus for a career path. For me highschool was 4 years I am never gonna get back and uni was a disaster, I got my diploma in the end but it wasn't pleasant.
In my country education is expensive so hopefully Internet is not that expensive but Is important the reason that you say AND also A human want their parent proud If good Uni were free I agree
If you have government subsidies to cash in for your tertiary education why not? Where I’m from, each citizen gets a tertiary education subsidy that subsidies tertiary education (and other subsidies that made our pre-tertiary education cost peanuts, especially for primary and secondary school). No matter what you believe, hiring managers do tend to hire degree holders over non degree holders, especially if they have the same skill set and experience, no matter what they say about how degree isn’t necessary, at the end of the day, most would still prefer degree holders if the applicants are on similar levels. Where I’m from, most of our job descriptions, even entry level, requires degrees, some requires only a diploma. If you can afford a degree, go for it, everything you learn stays with you, and a degree does open up doors for you no matter the field you are in, especially if you are a fresh grad trying to break into a new industry you never been into.
To anybody just about to start college or university, make sure you pick a high paying STEM career as soon as possible. Really commit, because they have some of the best ROI.
@polarfamily6222 usually it's the people that pick science struggle to find a job especially without a phd and the engineer and math usually don't even stay in the degree program. Tech is your best bet but most of the curriculum is either old or not even relevant to the job you get
@@20cmusicthey all have apprentiships for people with out degrees and even with a degree you have to be the best in your class and most likely come from an ivy league. Not the best example of being realistic
In 2008, yes but no it's not worth it in 2024. You can easily learn all of your math, science, and electrical and computer engineering courses on here as well as purchasing hardware such as a signal generator, an oscilloscope, an Arduino, an FGPA, and Xilinx software to act as your lab courses.
It fascinating that the American Legal System allows anyone to call themselves a University this is illegal in Australia I am a University lecturer in Australia at a Private Entrepreneurial University small class sizes, students aren’t numbers we know them, we care that they graduate and overcome any problems and failures along the way because of our reputation and their student debt ROI matters totally agree We are in the top 2% of Business Schools globally and relatively new having just had our 30th Anniversary Love our global cohort this semester I had a post grad class of 15 students from 14 different countries I am fascinated you didn’t address AI and the future of jobs in white collar world in this presentation given it was only 9 days ago Oh just heard the end you’re not accredited but pitching do this, we 57:57 will be Just saying that’s completely the wrong pitch to build trust and reputation
I have my masters in IT and bachelors in Computer Science and still no job in any position. I try to do projects on the side but get so bummed out that i have no position in any of my degrees.
If you can get your education for free then yes absolutely worth it because this day and age it is just required to qualify for lots of jobs even though you don’t necessarily need the degree to do the job. But most jobs can be done without a degree
@@royharper2003 administrative assistant, help desk technician, system admin, software developer, human resource jobs, office manager, manager of almost any kind are just a few I could name. Plenty of jobs don’t really need the education just common sense and willingness to learn.
@@devinbridgelall8394 some of those jobs you liseted are low paying dead end jobs. It isn't about the education if people won't hire you without a degree. a degree opens doors
@@prettyboishah2898 Yes and no, it is more of a requirement that companies expect. But there have been many cases where they accept any degree, the job itself is almost always easier than what they make it out to be. Definitely get your degree if you can but you will find for most jobs, you can do the same work with two different degrees. For example, a person working in finance or admin can be someone who has a Psychology Degree or an actual Business and Finance Degree. Even a Data Analyst does not have to be a computer or technology-based degree. It certainly helps but to most job postings/companies a degree is a degree.
Not the video I was expecting to see from this channel, but I think the importance of this topic is increasing by the minute. Tuition to wage ratio is getting out of hand
If we have an skills, then no needs of any degree. Degree is an only nomenculture by human beings. It has not required at that point where you have to prove yourself.
SNHU is also a private nonprofit mostly online school, but around 3x more expensive than UofPeople and WGU. It may be a good school but I don't know anyone who's studied there.
Thanks for watching my video. I recorded this in one shot last week and have some post-edit notes: 1) Some universities including Harvard do not charge ANYTHING if your family income is below a certain threshold. If you qualify, it's absolutely worth apply to these schools. 2) I misspoke when I said there are 50 PhD holders per tenure track professor position. If you can finish your PhD, your prospects at a professorship are not good but they're not quite that grim. I added a table to show more accurate numbers for each field. These vary by country.
Regardless of whether you choose to go to university / where you study / what you study - please know that the global freeCodeCamp community has got your back. We're all cheering for you to succeed. And we're working hard to create these free, self-paced learning resources to help you get there. 🏕
At first, I thought maybe this video wouldn't quite apply to me but it did. Thanks for the information and encouragement.
Hey Quincy! Thank you for this super amazing video 🤗 I really wanted some help in regards to higher studies and info about that. I can't thank you enough, I'm ever so indebted! 🙏🎊
You have done SOOOOO much for the community Quincy. Always a star!
Hi Quincy, I just need to say thank you for more information you just passed on to me, it is highly valuable to me as well as my people here in South Africa. Only a few who has such information in my region, definitely I'm going to let them know too and be selfless as you do. I just love this organisation, FREECODECAMPER FOREVER...
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If you're in a country where education is free,
then yes, it's probably worth it, not necessarily to learn or gain knowledge, but to participate in a community, make connections and gain experience.
at least this is my current view and experience, i'm in my 2nd year and it's been great so far.
In my country is free but im currenly working as a software engineer so if I wanna study, i'll need to pay for it because the course-scheduling is unsuitable with my work
Some community colleges are so good that, after completing your AA, they will allow you to take university courses sponsored by a university. They'll let you take 3rd and 4th year classes right at your CC, at reduced cost.
Yes. Only because even engineering jobs require a bachelors in the US. I do know many engineers who were like a history major or something, but most job postings require a bachelors.
I do recommend going to a local community college for the basics, transfer to 4 year for the last 2 years. Pick a community college that feeds directly into the university.
No. They don't require a degree. You don't need college to become an engineer.
@@FriendlyChannelll Evidence or you just going to say that
@@fayelis Unlike being a doctor or lawyer, there is no legal requirement to become an engineer. Build work experience, create your own projects and then tailor your resume to your goal.
@@FriendlyChannelll You undermine the difficulty of doing that
@@fayelis You can do it in less than 2 years bro.
No (if it's not FREE) - From a guy with both, a degree and Diploma in Computer Science Engineering.
What if you want to do computer science research?
@RM-xq7gf you need a PhD as a minimum for research.
@@shahinzaThere is world outside USA and Europe. various Degrees name and course are different in India, south asia
No? After a certain point you need these certificates to get certain positions in a company
@@user-eo1vktrue but don’t those countries pay really bad? I don’t mean to offend
It depends. I work in finance and it is very difficult to get a job without a degree. Undergrad was meh. I got a masters in financial mathematics and I learn a lot from that. But I still spend a lot of time learning new technologies/programming languages as I pivoted towards the data side. A degree is an investment but it isn’t risk free unless you get it fully paid for.
What was your undergraduate in? If it wasn't mathematics, was the jump to financial mathematics hard?
@@karag4487 Sorry for the late response. My degree was in business/finance. I had to take an additional 6 mathematics classes and 1 programming class to get in grad school. It was tough but worth it. It gave me skills that most MBAs or finance professionals don’t have.
I have taken admission in UoPeople and I am really happy that you mentioned it.
I recently graduated in College as a Computer Engineer and this video pop up in my notification LOL, I got a QA Engineer job literally a day after the graduation day.
not trying to judge or criticize, how much do you take to get the title where you are?
From my freshmen year to sophomore, I am not that serious taking my course, I am more of a playboy and party goer guy, I started to take my course seriously when I am a senior. Started learning various programming languages that is currently in-demand and participating hackathons and apply for multiple interships as software engineer, I know 3 out 4 of my college years is a bummer but take the last year seriously like a bootcamp and you will have a skill of a person that earned the skills in online course + plus a degree, you will have 100% employment rate when you have that in you resume.
most dont
This is the most down to earth and statically considered on topic video I've ever seen. Love it. Thank you.
Going to college/uni is worth as much as you can take out of it. If you know what you want to learn, learn it from the best and be surrounded with other ambitious people who are working in the industry to become the best, as well getting a lot of connections, then a good college might be a place for you. However it is easy to mess it up and end up in a worse position if you make wrong decisions
Yup, thats why i think its so unfortunate that students are pressured to go to college so early; many of them still dont know who they are or what they truly want in life:
Many of them end up in college unprepared, not really wanting to be there, struggling by, gaining no real-world experience or new social skills, and having no professional support (and God help them if they go into debt for a major like Art History too, then they're **really** screwed).
These students are then compared against other students who DO know what they want, who got big internships at Microsoft/Goldman Sachs/Smithsonian/etc, who won competitions, and who gained powerful connections that gave them the hookup; and if these other students went to Ivy Leagues too?? its almost guaranteed they'll be THROWN jobs before they even graduate.
When you truly know who you are, what you want, how to focus, and how to do business with finesse, THEN college is worth it, because otherwise, the college-system will eat you alive if you have no real drive or no professional network to help you.
@@natesamadhi33this is so very true.
I did start college, but never finished it. All those years were filled with lectures not related to IT even tho I was studying IT. I say uni/college is a complete waste. I am strong developer now, but If I started working as programmer by the age of 19 I can't imagine how much better I would be.
Uni college is not for everyone. I did well just died of boredom and during last year thought "wth im even doing here" dropped it just before final exams - absolutely zero regrets.
And I say this nearing amount of wealth where I can buy (not rent) a decent house. If I started my career earlier I would likely already have it by now.
uni/college is a scam at least for programming, some other disciplines strictly require it, however dont be fooled, your first employer will value your personal projects more than diploma, with just diploma you have virtually close to zero chance to get hired.
and this works that way because most education programs in uni/college is outdated
you will learn programming basics and how to solve math problems.
that is like 1/10th of what skillset you'll need in an actual job.
You are right. They teach you all the maths, physics, electronics, hardware, computer science but they barely teach you how to be a real programmer and how to work in the tech industry.
If I were young again, would do bootcamps and get a job, then I would learn theoretical stuff by myself if I needed to.
College was the biggest opportunity cost of my life. I finished college around 2012 and moved to Austin to start my career. The houses in Austin metro at that time were like 150k or less. I tried to get a mortgage but my debt to income ratio was too high to quality. In 2022, those same houses were worth like 550k+. Because of my college loans I missed out on the once in a lifetime opportunity of getting a cheap house in an up and coming city. That would have changed the entire course of my life. College was worst financial decision of my life. I'm still butthurt about it. I didn't quality for free school like my friend because my dad made too much money. He was a teacher. But my parents were not paying for my college? How is that fair.
@@royharper2003credit card company garnished part of my paycheck for years how is that fair
I have completed my college for bachelors in computer science and I now have the same knowledge which I had after completing my school, but now I'm doing online courses which I think would teach me more than my college, I mean college is pointless in software field but it may vary according to the field you're choosing.🙌
Yes , dude you are right 👍
What courses are good to invest in
at least you can become a manager and make more money even with the same knowledge, because you will have the piece of paper which I am working in at 34 and I am not learning anything lol
To be entirely honest, I think we just need to stop making kids make that choice while they're still, you know, kids. Even technical colleges and trade schools are relatively expensive and time-intensive. I think we'd be better off as a society if we ditched that, and just let people feel things out for their first years of adulthood. I think we should normalize and encourage choosing college later on in their late-twenties or early-thirties. And present alternative educational resources for people who have specific areas they'd like to improve on in preparation for other things.
Germany has such system.
@@Slawa_Saporogezof course it does. Lol not surprised. But let’s realize that HOMOGENOUS countries tend to look after their own. That is SO not that case in America in fact, the govt shows it’s hatred to all of its citizens in some way or another except the very top 1% which means wealthy lobbyists & politicians. Starting w poisoning dang near everything that’s supposed to be edible .
this guy is literally just describing germany ...
@@Slawa_Saporogez So do people look for jobs after secondary school or do they attend vocational school first then look for jobs? And after that, you're saying some go to uni somewhere in their late 20's, but do those people need to have an Abitur to apply, or they can just apply immediately since they've already worked before? I'm curious.
With age it gets harder to study cause you start losing the focus. The earlier you can get the best education you can afford, the better. After that you can explore and look for other opportunities. If you haven't found any particular area you want to be in yet, get some useful degree as a foundation - in English, foreign languages, economics, etc., which will get you at least some entry job to start with.
Depending on the profession ie doctor, lawyer, etc college is a must. But coder, no need cause coding can be self taught
Look at going to college like joining the military....it is a backup plan that comes into play when the economy gets tight. As of now, with a tight labor market and mass layoffs, many companies and teams within companies are not sniffing an application without a degree of any kind....and in SWE, they want CS or ECE degrees specifically.
I've been seeing in both UK and USA that entry level roles are becoming severely competitive because of the economic situations. Employers now care more about degrees as a way of filtering out candidates. You're definitely right and its worth it as a backup if you can afford it.
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College can be worth it if you intend to use the experience to build relationships, challenge yourself, and pursue a career that requires specialized education, such as in medical, engineering, or accounting fields. It may help in becoming more reliable and achieving long-term goals. On the other hand, if your primary objectives for attending college are social or you're pursuing a degree without clear career prospects, the substantial expense may not justify the benefits. However, individual outcomes can vary, and some have found success even in unconventional paths
I have a bachelors of science in Computer Science since 2019 and im still unemployed almost 4 years later. College degrees are worthless right now for me as job market is fucked.
where are you from
I absolutely love free code camp, but it is a shame that governments around the world don't take education into their own hands making it free and accessible for everyone, that would really speed up the transition to more open and accessible education.
If governments take control of education they will only teach the science of destruction and war not creating things that benefit all.
There is already a solution for accessible education: the internet.
Professional education cannot be free. It should be financed by you or by someone else if you can prove your motivation. Teachers also need to be motivated by your choice. Free education is a paved road to a corruption and waste of time and resources, including your own.
NOOOO you can't just learn programming for FREE on the internet!! It's corrupt bro! Trust me!
Where I'm from, education is free up to the tertiary level.
I chose to study software engineering at WGU. Started on August 1. Yeah, studying is free, but I’m someone who will stay on the same subject for a year without some kind of path or structure. So, college is worth it for me. That said, WGU is $4K a semester, which is not expensive, and is regionally accredited, so it’s not a diploma mill. College doesn’t need to be expensive.
4k is still a lot
@@djbobby224True, but for the average, it’s not. Boot camps are $20K for 9 - 12 months. I made the mistake of getting my associate’s from a private college, which was almost $14K for one semester.
Did you consider other universities besides GCU? SNHU?
@@JoaoOliveira-kd3ipI plan to transfer to SNHU for a master’s because my job will pay for it.
I was thinking about WGU but it's not ABET accredited, some people say that accreditation matters, others do not
No, it's not
I summarized the vid for you guys ❤
Thanks, I have doodoo attention span
But the video was only released 15 mins ago and the whole video is over 1 hour😂
@@jamirajamira7303people who need a video to decide something for them probably shouldn't go to college anyways
I don't think this is a good summary at all, lol.
14:00 I studied Petroleum Engineering and worked in that field for 10 years, now working as a SWE/EM for a lot of the reasons here. No regrets as it was a challenging field and prepared me well for problem solving and project management.
Is there anything you didn't actually learn on the job but learned in college that helped you do your job?
I think it depends on the person. Let's be honest, most people go to college because they lack discipline. With all material available online you can self-educate yourself. I knew people who taught themselves how to code via free sources. It is hard work but doable. However, this approach can not be applied to certain fields such as medicine.
Agreed 100%
The man, the myth, the legend, it's Sir Quincy himself!!!!
A good education first of all is the way to learn how to think and find non-trivial solutions which can be learned only from other smart people. Most of the so-called "self-taught programmers" miss this fundamental step and think that programming is the typing a lot of code fast. They cannot understand complex abstract concepts and are absolutely sure that programmers need no math, because they've never seen that university math which programming is based on. They also think that they are great teachers, but their videos are full of errors and wrong concepts which will be leading to more issues later.
Couldn't agree more of this
I think with the tecnology improvement the university will be left aside in the short term, now you can find books online not only in the university’s library, you have a lot of videos and youtube to clear doubts, you have a lot of software tools to practice in your home, even a lot of ways to communicate with other people, these kind of tools we did not have it 15 years ago and the university was the only way to gain knowledge…
Exactly. You can learn almost anything tech related on the internet. Universities are outdated.
This system is such a fail of only the rich can go to college or university. This should be entirely free or at a symbolic cost. It should be open to anyone. I really dislike this system. Luckily, I live in a country where all of this is almost free and therefore open to anyone.
Furthermore we can be so happy to have Free Code Camp. What an awesome resource!!!
Great presentation! Thank you for posting it. I regularly drop in to see what is offered on your site, good stuff and Thank you again.
I'm a student at a T20 school and came from a poor family, so im on full financial aid. ROI is only up from here 😎
As someone who was in High School trying to get through college as early as possible, DO NOT TAKE AP CLASSES. In the state of Georgia, most AP will NOT transfer into college credits, and the classes are typically more difficult than just taking a 2 year institution course. What should be recommended is a Dual-Enrollment system that is designed to allow high school students to take actual college classes and transfer those credits into their degree program and reduce amount of time and money spent per semester. If you have the opportunity to take dual-enrolled courses, go for your core classses and not just what interests you, you will save a ton of time. From my junior year to senior year in High School, i managed to finish 10 classes, 9 of which I completed with flying colors.
Same issue in Minnesota, AP classes are honestly scams when based on one test score.
Yes. If you want to advance in your tech career. And given how competitive it is even at mid level, having a degree will always be an advantage.
computer science major here and software engineer isn't what i went to school for. that would be the much better cybersecurity field .. not quite a difference in pay neither but i feel cybersecurity is just far more valuable and stable as a long term job security
🔴 Absolutely well done and definitely keep it up! 👍👏👍👏👍
short answer, no. rn im stuck on smester 13 of master degree simply because of the thesis.
idk about you guys but in indonesia, things were made inconsistently difficult, the requirements are: app should be made in web or android or robot; app should have ai; unless if its a robot, app should be online and has database.
these requirements hold back a lot of creative ideas you could throw to make a program that actually useful.
they dont want you to finish your college without creating something they can patent to sell for thelmselves.
if i have a kid, the first thing im gonna tell my kids are to get diploma then work then master degree.
College degree is just a piece of paper to get a job, be an employee and climb the corporate ladder. It is not worth it if you want to own your own business, you can learn anything for free anywhere.
Answer = if you want to do it then yes it's worth it
I've learned more from free code camp in a year than I have learned from 4 years of University
Great bro🎉
but.. even in computer science related jobs, software engineering, those with degrees earn more than those without..
MOST rich people stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without stopping then most poor people stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich but impressing them
I'm from Los Angeles , I and two other of my friends tried her immediately we testified her performing wonders
I think this is just a narrative. The rich are rich so they can spend and still have money because they still produce. If you need to live like a poor person to remain rich in reality you are not rich, but rather most probably an upper middle class professional who is making more money than the average person.
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It depends on what job you want to have
This is a wonderful video.
I have been looking forward to the answer of the question "Is college really worth it in 2023?"
Today my college admission is over and Im watching this.
Luckily it cheap
If you come from a poor background or lower middle class, and you're not interested in destroying your body doing manual work, FFS GO TO SCHOOL
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College is worth if you study a real thing like math, science, philosophy or law and if you leverage it. If you study computer science and barely program, have no real knowledge and dont even have a interest you won't make it far but if you study math and do it hard, which seems more abstract and less applicable, you unlock a potential to work in almost every technical field available. With college you prove yourself that you can and like studying and will be able to do that for companies and institutions as well in certain fields. Brilliant analysis. The problem qith liberal arts is that by themselves, they may not constitute a skill for 90% of its students. Id love a similar rigurous analysis to explain how unstoppable is a US gradutate. Someone who has 25k of debt, has worked his ass off during college in 2 jobs while passing is simply impossible to compete with in the real world, that's part of the reason they unlock this huge salaries.
There are degrees like Finance where it's impossible to land at a job without a degree. In Europe, you can't get a banking job without a Master's degree. In something like Risk Management PhD is very desirable because you need to know how to research, work with data, statistical analysis and econometrics. Bear in mind paid degrees are like 10 times cheaper in Europe, there are stipends available, and in some countries it's free. No one is borrowing money to get a degree. Being in debt is frowned upon.
🙏 happy coding
56:00 absolutely brilliant initiative
Nepotism will do more for you in the tech career field than any degrees. I've watched highly qualified people get passed over again and again and again for so-and-so's son, second cousin, ex-wife, etc.
Where are you from?
frankly most people makes no difference ,things end up salary is higher because hr compensating college students’s opertunity cost on tuition
If you want to emigrate to one of the countries where a residence permit is granted on a points-based system, such as Canada or Austria, you have zero chances in comparison to the more qualified people who have a degree.
Unless you’re going into medicine, law or science……..Not really but you do need a education.
There is a difference
I agree, but i think there needs to be more nuance to this:
While you could theoretically "work your way up" in other industries without a bachelor's, things can get tricky if, for example, you lose your job before you had a chance to really move up in the company. Then you gotta start over at another company, compete against other people who have experience AND degrees, just so you could **maybe** have a shot at moving up.
A bachelor's (in a "marketable" major) gives you a good baseline where you dont always need to start from the bottom-of-the-barrel. If you ever gotta move somewhere else, or your company closes down a location (which is happening ALOT nowadays), that bachelor's will atleast keep you in the running for mid-level to manager-level positions.
I only had a high school diploma for the LONGEST, and despite me having so much experience, several industries were still wanting that bachelor's, because simply having alot of experience in one industry didnt necessarily translate to experience in other industries--but a Bachelor's (in the right major) translates everywhere. So im back in college, and already, its opening up doors i wouldnt have had otherwise.
I have to decide between accounting or business administration by October. I'll probably end up doing an accounting degree with a finance concentration. Right now, I'm a year in community college with a 3.75 GPA and I'm planning on transferring to a four-year university next year as I already have done a year so far. I didn't plan on going to college when I graduated from high school, but I was just working odd jobs, smoking pot, and training mma all the time which seemed like a waste. I hate college so much. Not because its hard but because I don't know if it's going to be pointless. I'm in a household of three that makes 45 grand a year collectively. I have no safety net really so if college is bust, I will be fucked but I don't know any good alternatives that won't just be a dead-end job.
Get your accounting degree and then your CPA. Work hard and it will be worth it. I was cutting grass 30 years ago before I got my accounting degree.
@@royharper2003 Thanks for the reassurance.
Look at the bright side, with that degree you can almost 100% get a job at a bank, possibly the federal reserve or IRS
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I would put it very simple. Does you course of interest include practical labs which requires costly instruments? If yes go to the college.
If it’s free, ie military or scholarship yes absolutely
Uni is worth it, dont let the price or loans dissuade you. Rather, you need to make sure you make enough money to do what you need and want.
Not going to school is wise only if you can become an entrepreneur early in life. Most people cant.
If you cant make money as a youngster and you dont have education or skills then you will have a very miserable life.
As a coder and linux system administrator, I didn't go to college. I make a good living, but not FAANG level. The advantage: I never waited for a class to learn new things. I'm always learning. In that way I'm quicker to pick up new tech than many college grads. I keep work interesting by jumping on the hardest projects. This disadvantage: I've had some boring jobs where everyone else is more excited about watching sport that learning science and tech. I often wish studied with a bunch of enthusiastic smart people and gone on to companies where people loved tech and learning. Also I like smart college people and find them interesting but don't really fit in without a degree.
Yes its worth it if its free like in most places outside the US. But in the US where it costs money to go to school, then No. Its not worth it.
you should have stayed in school
Definitely not youtubers and great teacher's explains so good that we understand everything and we can crack the interview's also only the thing is that we will not get the government authorised certificate for that we have to go for college's and pay money for that.
What's no one talks about is that you are wasting you time and wasting your money just for someone or company MAYBE accept you. For most people university is not the best idea, mainly these days that knowledge is widely available. The rule is if you need a job you should avoid university. For most people university will keep them poor. P.S.: I'm not a native English speaker. Sorry if there's any grammar mistake.
If u are in India then straight and is yes absolutely
Yes ! You need connections !
First time I've heard Remunerative! Thank you!
for me well yes if you want to become a lawyer doctor engineer business etc with some bar exam or with phd
but it depends on school
but before you go to college pls choose you want not because of money
choose wisely
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Imagine going to Central Europe for education. In countries like Germany higher education is free and rent is 500€ a month. Also it is an adventure 😂
1hr video for this☠️
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What if you are starting a business right now and want to go back to school?Smart guy.
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I think highschool is useless if you know what you want from life or have guidance from family.
If in highschool you put extra work going to a mentor in the field you want, then in uni you can focus for a career path.
For me highschool was 4 years I am never gonna get back and uni was a disaster, I got my diploma in the end but it wasn't pleasant.
In my country education is expensive so hopefully Internet is not that expensive but Is important the reason that you say AND also A human want their parent proud
If good Uni were free I agree
If you have government subsidies to cash in for your tertiary education why not? Where I’m from, each citizen gets a tertiary education subsidy that subsidies tertiary education (and other subsidies that made our pre-tertiary education cost peanuts, especially for primary and secondary school).
No matter what you believe, hiring managers do tend to hire degree holders over non degree holders, especially if they have the same skill set and experience, no matter what they say about how degree isn’t necessary, at the end of the day, most would still prefer degree holders if the applicants are on similar levels.
Where I’m from, most of our job descriptions, even entry level, requires degrees, some requires only a diploma.
If you can afford a degree, go for it, everything you learn stays with you, and a degree does open up doors for you no matter the field you are in, especially if you are a fresh grad trying to break into a new industry you never been into.
Yes, but only if you have deeply thought it through and arent just forcibly shoved in by parents/teachers.
Great video. You should just specify USA, in my country it's totally different.
Excellent
It's worth it if you can afford it. Otherwise, to avoid debt it's best to learn through online resources.
To anybody just about to start college or university, make sure you pick a high paying STEM career as soon as possible. Really commit, because they have some of the best ROI.
Not really. I know people in STEM who really "committed" and they will be paying the loans for a very long while.
@polarfamily6222 usually it's the people that pick science struggle to find a job especially without a phd and the engineer and math usually don't even stay in the degree program. Tech is your best bet but most of the curriculum is either old or not even relevant to the job you get
3:35 I don't have the money... My parents do
thank u for fCC Dean Larson,i promise i start donat when/if i earn first sellery with programming.
Unless you live in a country where education is free.
Where it's free it sucks
You must enjoy the monthly stipend you get for not working
Here education is free . Also they are better then private sector.
@@boredlookingdog well its free but really hard at a good uni, if 60% people who start do not finish then I do not think that anyone can get it
@@20cmusicthey all have apprentiships for people with out degrees and even with a degree you have to be the best in your class and most likely come from an ivy league. Not the best example of being realistic
The hyping up at the start of the vid 💀
In 2008, yes but no it's not worth it in 2024. You can easily learn all of your math, science, and electrical and computer engineering courses on here as well as purchasing hardware such as a signal generator, an oscilloscope, an Arduino, an FGPA, and Xilinx software to act as your lab courses.
It fascinating that the American Legal System allows anyone to call themselves a University this is illegal in Australia
I am a University lecturer in Australia at a Private Entrepreneurial University small class sizes, students aren’t numbers we know them, we care that they graduate and overcome any problems and failures along the way because of our reputation and their student debt ROI matters totally agree We are in the top 2% of Business Schools globally and relatively new having just had our 30th Anniversary Love our global cohort this semester I had a post grad class of 15 students from 14 different countries
I am fascinated you didn’t address AI and the future of jobs in white collar world in this presentation given it was only 9 days ago
Oh just heard the end you’re not accredited but pitching do this, we 57:57 will be Just saying that’s completely the wrong pitch to build trust and reputation
Short answer no. If you don’t aim for academic career.
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I think this 1hour video is instructive but not good for ROI😂
It's worth if you are first jobber who lived in Asia especially in South East Asia.
I have my masters in IT and bachelors in Computer Science and still no job in any position. I try to do projects on the side but get so bummed out that i have no position in any of my degrees.
Maybe you need to work on your interviuew skills.
If you can get your education for free then yes absolutely worth it because this day and age it is just required to qualify for lots of jobs even though you don’t necessarily need the degree to do the job. But most jobs can be done without a degree
Most jobds like what? Cashiers? McDonalds? Landscaping?
@@royharper2003 administrative assistant, help desk technician, system admin, software developer, human resource jobs, office manager, manager of almost any kind are just a few I could name. Plenty of jobs don’t really need the education just common sense and willingness to learn.
@@devinbridgelall8394 some of those jobs you liseted are low paying dead end jobs. It isn't about the education if people won't hire you without a degree. a degree opens doors
@devinbridgelall8394 but wouldn't a degree make you stand out?
@@prettyboishah2898 Yes and no, it is more of a requirement that companies expect. But there have been many cases where they accept any degree, the job itself is almost always easier than what they make it out to be. Definitely get your degree if you can but you will find for most jobs, you can do the same work with two different degrees. For example, a person working in finance or admin can be someone who has a Psychology Degree or an actual Business and Finance Degree. Even a Data Analyst does not have to be a computer or technology-based degree. It certainly helps but to most job postings/companies a degree is a degree.
Not the video I was expecting to see from this channel, but I think the importance of this topic is increasing by the minute. Tuition to wage ratio is getting out of hand
Outside of getting connections to the industry, no.
If we have an skills, then no needs of any degree. Degree is an only nomenculture by human beings. It has not required at that point where you have to prove yourself.
Sure, where else can you go to get "Nickle Beer" nights?
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What's the TLDR?
Any insights on SNHU?
SNHU is also a private nonprofit mostly online school, but around 3x more expensive than UofPeople and WGU. It may be a good school but I don't know anyone who's studied there.