The FRIGHTENING World of Art Competitions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Mohammed agbadi talking about the pokemon art situation, art theft, and how art competitions are getting worse.
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When I participated in Lightbox Expo’s paint a thon, we had to submit WIP images, color studies, character designs, rough sketches and whatnot, and the judges would drop in once in a while over discord to see how things are going. We need more rules and regulations to help reduce cheating.
ahh definitely a good pipeline. that way there's no possible way for someone to sneak in an ai image and get away with it
@@MohammedAgbadi yes, and it seems to be working well. On my TikTok, I uploaded a layer breakdown of my entries to show that they are not AI generated. Since AI images don’t have photoshop layers.
@@MohammedAgbadiit’s sad to think that me and so many other talented artists could have gotten through if these cheaters didn’t get in.
YES 🗣
this sounds like the immediate solution I thought of... well, I thought of streaming the creation of the art, but that seems a bit more sane... though I am annoyed that taking such WIP photos and the like might be difficult for folk without good access to digital photography or for folk who are, for one reason or another, camera shy... but I'm not sure there's alternatives.
AI has gotten so bad that my mom asked me why I was pursuing a degree in Studio Art instead of AI art because she thought it was a legitimate career path for artists. I hope that colleges don't make classes for AI art!
for the most part art should be done by yourself ai should be used as a tool not to be used as a replacement
Agreed, only AI I like is the type that only plays a tiny almost un-noticeable in my art.
oh swweet baby... *LOUD SIGH*
My dad is the same way. Wondering why I continue to pursue instead of "learning" AI theft. Love my pops but this is one of those gut punches in life that you gotta push through.
If people need to take classes to learn AI image generation... we are doomed
I saw a news article where a piece was disqualified from an ai photography contest because it was real 🤦🏾
LMFAOOOO This is making my brain hurt jjajaajaajajjaj
Nah…..I’M CRYING…..😭😭😭😭😭😂😂
I saw that! The piece is called 'Flamingone', or something like that, and depicts a headless flamingo due to how the landscape distorts light.
BRUHHHH!!!
Okay, I'm pretty sure this is what the kids these days mean by a "bruh" moment.
Worse part, the guy didnt even bother to use less obvious same looking name and the judges let it slip.
He thought he was cooking 💀
Almost as if they were doing it on purpose. We don't know the person's intentions but it could range from being an activist for AI at one end all the way to exposing flaws with the contest itself by trying to embarrass the people running it. I would also not even be surprised if it's none of that because people unironically not trying to hide their stupidity do exist. There are people who truly think rules don't apply to them. Maybe they didn't even read them.
There is a possibility that the judges don't see the names of the artists when they are selecting the top 300... but even so, there should be some form of extra screening to prevent ai art slipping into contests.
@@AaaaNinja No, theyre just trying to get rich quick shamelessly
@@eightcoins4401 Agreed. Most probable is them trying to get their name out there quickly and publicly, which means having the same or similar names out there with as many submissions as possible would have been ideal so whichever one lands in the search would lead people to the same person
I would imagine an activist doing a callout for poor screening against AI would choose something even more blatantly stupid for a name so it'd be funnier to mock the organizers with. Something with a pun or two wrapped inside of it
It's honestly disappointing knowing that real artists are pushed aside for the fake AI arts with no attempt put into it.
sighhhh it's getting frustrating tbh
My Pinterest will never be the same again ಥ‿ಥ. AI art is everywhere I f*ckin hate it asf🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@VinnyM-tv3nb so real pmg
They will have to have filmed documentation of proof they created the piece in future competitions. It’s the only way now
I left all platforms, including discord servers. I'm just gonna sit this one out. 😂
AI users are getting bold nowadays
fr fr bruh it's getting alarming
We can be bolder. Just draw them pregnant.
Actively giving birth even
Actually the actively giving birth option sounds better
@@THATAroSpecWallet bad idea if you have a social media account.
People who enter an ART contest with an GENERATED "artwork" are something I'll never understand.
It's rather sad that now we have to make sure something wasn't generated by AI, even Speeddraws or the drawing process can be generated in the near future. Just sad.
Edit: Guys, I wasn't asking for an explanation, of course I understand why people use AI instead of drawing; it saves time, resources, etc. "Never understanding [something]" is just a way to phrase how stupid you find something , atleast where I come from.😭
even the speed draws and process videos now are getting faked 😭
They are nothing else than bullies. Like people trying to participate a marathon demanding to use their SUV and demand same recognition as those who are going on foot.
Fake it till u make it as they said
Process videos have been faked long ago 😂
@@MohammedAgbadiGuess we are making our sketch process traditional now. That can't be copied. And at least shows we have the skills.
Losing against awesome artists because I lack the skilzz? Applause. Losing against AI bros? No my man get that shit outta here.
What gets me is there seems to be no authentication. One guy shows up six times and no one bothered to check this?!
What really gets me is I keep seeing artists on social media who didn't make the top 300 and yet he did...six times!
_(edit: updated with more context)_
To be fair, this was only round 1 of 3 (top 300 -> top 100 -> final winners), and the contest rules state that everyone reaching this point must meet certain additional verification requirements (or they will be removed and alternates picked to fill the spots). By the time things proceed to the final round (in August-September), it is not the job of _those_ judges to screen final entries for compliance with contest rules, in part because they are not allowed to know who submitted each piece (in case it might skew the judging).
@@Stratelier I didn't say it was the job of the judges, I said someone lol. I'm more just surprised that such a large company as Pokemon and it's associates don't have anyway to verify people. Having a separate panel of people to screen all enters would be ideal and would put less strain on the judges.
@@Stratelier Sounds like these judges suck. They had no idea it was AI generated. So if you have judges with no eye for art... send them a crayon drawing. They don't deserve art with actual effort if they can't even identify higher quality.
@@Dooger414the opinion of someone who isn’t an artist is more important than the opinion of an artist when it comes to ratings.
@@Dooger414 Apparently the judging panel mostly includes high-level company officials (and is literally posted on the website).
For now, it's worth mentioning that _only_ the top 300 ("quarterfinal") judging has taken place currently. There will be a top 100 ("semifinal") judging round coming up soon, with a final judging round (to declare the actual winners) one month after that. The official rules also structure out a variety of eligibility/contact requirements that will be taking place during this time, and if for any reason someone fails to meet those requirements they will be removed from the contest and an alternate selected in their stead.
So TPC's current response concerning some entrants violating contest rules is more or less a stock response, but at least acknowledges that they've heard some of the criticisms revealed so far.
The contest does not have an official rule against generative AI _specifically,_ but does have the intuitive rule that entries must generally be "created by you" which could be interpreted either way.
The same guy does multiple submissions and they're AI 😢 TO WIN A CONTEST 😢 . We should call out these fake artists till they hide and our COMMUNITY REGAINS ITS LOVE FOR REAL ART.❤
i'm sure they probably still submitted under a different a name too. there definitely has to be more submissions that are ai generated
my stance is if you upload ai art to a competition you are only being dishonest to yourself
Like HOW DO THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT 💀
Also call out the organizer and judges. Thats atleast 6 slot lost
@@VinnyM-tv3nbconsidering they dont care, very peacefully.
They don't allow calculators in maths Olympiads, maybe they should think about adopting this same kind of rule.
The don't allow performance enhancing drugs in sports either
Unfortunately, there will always be people who try to cheat the system. If we never catch cheaters in the future, it's probably because they succeeded.
The simple way is.. make competitions based only on Classic medium. Oils, watercolor, etc... no chance of AI having produced that.
If you did not get the hint, your photoshop also is an enhancing tool that improves the result of your work. AI is just a much broader tool. So the problem is, soon there will be ZERO chance to say what is the frontier between human input and AI enhanced work on a digital brushstroke.
DIGITAL art as art... that could be believed to be pure from the author is with its days counted. In 10 years, every single brushstroke your photoshop does with be processed and ehanced by AI
@@tiagodagostini you have no idea what youre talking about
@@Lum_Versace I do, contrary to you. Because I do work on both fields. I do produce art for sale AND I OWN a company the develop AI models (although for other use). You on other hand I doubt have ANY clue how AI really works. You likely were not even alive when photoshop appeared and the exact same knee jerk reaction happened in the art communities.
art competitions should have a rule where you have to specify your medium/software or progress shots or smth like that
Right! With edit files and layers and all. I feel like this *could* be a great way to weed them out.
@@keimayeThey can still fake files by just creating fake layers.
Medibang has time lapse function, so showing time lapse and the .psd/.mdp/etc. SHOULD be another submission for authenticity.
@SuperCosmicMutantSquid yeah hence why I said "could" - there's always gonna be loopholes and ways around things, but certain things will be harder to fake. Time-lapse as the commenter above me suggested would strengthen this
Specifiying medium actually is part of alot of art contests
17:04 i actually didn’t know they disqualified Vigen’s images, im so glad you mentioned it. What a RELIEF
I'm honestly so sick of AI ruining everything. It should have never gotten this advanced.
It is gone from being an inconvenience to just a plague at this point 😑
it should have never been implemented into art and other creative endeavours
@MohammedAgbadi I have to ask, do you think it's too late to stop it? With how fast AI is progressing, I am terrified to see what's gonna happen to the art community as a whole.
Not to mention it’s also bad for the environment so yeah literally a plague
@@zayn6699Technically no, but practically yes. We could do fine without it and society really doesn’t have to go down this path-it isn’t progress if it’s hurting us. However, unless you can erase all greediness, there’s no way people will let it go until it hurts them too.
Agree
Pokemon announced a few days ago that they've disqualified the offenders and are picking new finalists to replace them!
Yeah I just checked their website and its true, the AI art is gone!
Finally holy shit
@@ari638finally some good news
AI is a paradox. I recently helped one women with her short essay. I was translating and correcting [basically fixing] an entire essay that was AI generated and AI translated, because it was so bad. And you know what was the essay about? It was about how good AI is. Right now artist are debunking and fixing AI "art", because it's bad. So why bother creating AI, if humans have to fix everything it does? It creates more problems than opportunities.
Also, then the "fixed" ai generated art, is then promoted by the person or company that paid for it, as ai "art".
No one is told about the part of the process where a real human artist was called-in the "fix" the ai abomination!
That information is kept under wraps, and I am sure that if those ai fixes are paid for by an agency (such as an advertising agency, organization, or institution), that the real human artist has to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
So that entire process protects the ai-generated "art" from being seen as the Frankenstein that it actually is!
AND to the uninitiated, the "suits", and the companies paying the agencies for the ad work, it makes ai-generated art appear just-as-good as if a real human artist was used, and no one will ever be the wiser, and know the truth that it was NOT READY to be used, but had to be fixed and corrected first!
Let AI park my car, work in the mines and hazardous environments. No problem with that. Just have to keep it away from arts and crafts.
@@alekidWell said, brother. IMO, I view AI art as microwave food. It's not unhealthy/bad to consume, but don't generate some fever dream nightmare fuel and tell me it's the Mona Lisa.
@@alekid gatekeeping arts and crafts also aint it… as a very bad painter its great having a tool to visualize things i come up with
Ai is good for IRL stuff. The internet, however….
There should always be WIP submissions in these contests.
We have to do that in my design classes 😅what’s funny I always have a hand drawn out rough sketch of everything,before I even do the digital end of it.
You really underestimate what AI can do. All these funny AI things are being made by students learning to use AI. IF real AI dudes like the ones in OpenAI want, they can make an AI that can fool you in the whole process. They do not do it, because there is no commercial value on it... yet... in 10 years.. not so sure.
@@tiagodagostiniA few aspects of AI will never be matched to the human touch, no matter what robots try to do to replicate. I've been doing a TI course for a lot of time and I've heard my teacher once say that no terabytes of storage overloaded into a single project will be able to match the complexity of a human brain by itself. There will always be imperfections.
@@tiagodagostiniAI cannot match a human. Boomer guy, stop defending the shit you are supporting so you can sit on your ass all day and doom humanity. An AI will never be able to replicate a human exactly and speed-paints will forever be what AI cannot replicate.
Even with all the development the AI went through already, it's more than easy to reveal and that's never going to change. The truth is always going to be found.
I think contests like this would do well to require artists show their process of creating the art. Videoing themselves painting / drawing would be one way and having them submit photographs of the art at various stages could be another way. They could even have a speed painting competition for the digital artists who would be given a tablet with something like procreate on it that would be connected to a giant monitor so that the audience could watch the art being created in real time.
Agreed. And it should start with us
As an artist (a real artist mind you) with severe anxiety, that would be absolute torture omgggg A lot of people can't do their best work when they're being watched and studied
@@Natu-Shabby
Well they wouldn’t necessarily have to watch you directly.
You could screen record while you’re working on your piece.
Maybe record yourself while doing it so people know it’s you
@@Natu-Shabby I’m an artist myself and I have the same problem. That’s one of the reasons I’m looking to start my own TH-cam channel. So that I can get over my anxiety. I paint on canvas and I draw on paper. So I can’t screen record my work. But there’s also the added benefit of showing your collectors that what you do is real and not generated by a machine.
Hello this is my first time commenting.
I believe that the AI artist ‘s four “art pieces” should be disqualified from the Pokémon competition overall. The amount of AI artist that steal art and defend others doing it is unsettling. The art community needs rules and laws to be made to protect true artists and their work against AI for every art medium. Visual art, music, writing, and etc.
Thank you for the informative video. Have a wonderful day everybody.
They’ve been removed:)
How is ai stealing art? Its copying the style, something we did past thousands of years?
@@markobucevic8991no offense but are you stupid?
@@markobucevic8991take art crearing by other artists changing something and passing off as their own.
@@markobucevic8991 Well, let me ask you something: if you used ChatGPT to write an essay for school and submitted it for credit, would it be considered plagiarism? Unambiguously yes, correct? How is passing off AI art as your genuine work any different?
It’s funny how all art is better than AI because it’s made with actual passion behind it and not with a prompt from a basement dweller.
It has "soul", which is an intangible and hard to describe factor that is felt rather than seen. One thing I notice is that AI work is explosively seductive, it grabs the attention quickly but it's short lived. We move on quite easily. But a human made drawing is like an ongoing tune that keeps resonating, and it has nothing to do with the skill level of the artist. Even a child drawing often emanates this sensation. That's what I call "soul", the philosopher Walter Benjamin called it "aura". It's not about the name but about being in tune with that and art.
"Prompts" are what used to be called "commissions."
@@alekid To be fair, all AI Art generators were made simply as a novelty.
The "quick attention grab" is by design.
Keep in mind, the developers of those AIs didnt create them for spamming art platforms with their images. If you look at the fineprint of most of those AI Image generators it eventually states you do not legally own any of the images you wrote prompts for.
@@alekidsoul is something that most people dont feel when looking at art. The most soul i felt is from michelangelo cause that is a master piece but normal images lack what he made.
Yess! I see this issue *everywhere*, thanks for talking about it
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Guess people will have to submit a timelapse or progress photos
bruh
yeah... never thought submitting an art would feel like submitting speedrun footage!
I'd do that willingly regardless
thats another problem. timelapses can be faked by AI.
@@cybergalacticnova Yeah. At this point we need legal bans put on generative AI. Even beyond these issues, it has and is still being used to generate adult content of real people without their consent, including minors. There are plenty of reasons why this never should have become a publicly available thing, and it this point, it shouldn't exist at all.
The Pikachu at 9:00 in; the big water drop next to its face looks like an eye.
bruh!
I can’t unsee it 😭 It’s so ugly
Drawing is too hard for me, I would never even consider entering an art contest. I know I would lose but I hope I can become an artist one day, it looks interesting and I hope AI art isn't used to win contests. Just started my art journey 1 month ago, and my first sketchbook is in the making!
i wish you so much luck !! i know you'll do well in the future
Keep up the good work and Don't give up
You've already far exceeded the closeted slobs that use AI, I'm sure you'll do great. Just remember not to be too self-critical as artists are constantly learning
I hope you have lots of fun on your art journey! Always keep learning new stuff! Your skills will continue to build, and one day I'm sure you'll make some super cool stuff you're super proud of! ^_^
5:18 the "gotta catch 'em all" got me rolling, bro 😂😂😂 lmao
Gonna start calling AI-image bros "fartists"
I call them scammers.
At least you aren't calling them "prompt engineers". Sincerely, an actual engineer.
I call them lazy untalented people
Also call NFT bros that.
Fartist fr? Nah bro humor is cooked
Honestly... I find it VERY believable that the hacks at the Pokemon Company who have been shitting out low effort junk for the past 10 years, aren't savvy enough to recognize AI art or apparently see that so many pieces are from the same person.
The game dev studio actually isnt involved with the TCG. Besides, art contest like this usually have low tiers of the corporate hierarchy skim the 300 images since its busywork. Often an intern is made to do it.
@@eightcoins4401 Pokemon is controlled by a consortium of companies who all have a vested interest in the property, which means everything has to get the green-light from them. The same people who have OKed the minimal effort video games have OKed the TCG game.
I feel like art contests should be treated more like cosplay craftsmanship contests. For those, a lot of them have you talk about your costume, show all of the references/ sketches and such of the costume you made, as well as the bts of you making each part of the costume you are wearing for the competition.
Art contests should have you include your wips, rough and final sketches, lineart, flats, etc. It would easily discourage and quickly take out these so called “artist” that lack the desire to hone the skill of actually learning to create art in any way.
And here i am with the art skills of a child that wants his parents to put his art on the fridge 😭 why is art so difficult 😮💨
😭😭😭 you're doing great!!
I can relate a bit, it’s hard, but I’m still learning and you are still learning too. It’s best to try to see your art from a growth perspective to get you to learn more and improve your work, that way you can make artworks that you can feel proud of. I’m not the best myself, but I try to learn to improve my work over time.
lol at least they put yours on the fridge. I always wanted them to like they did on tv and they never once did, but they do with the grandkids. I used to give them drawings and then I'd find them in the garbage and give them to them again.
The skill of a child can be improved, but never abandon the child spirit. That is where the secret ultimately is.
Early but this reminds me when I was in 2nd grade and was the classes artist, the class got chosen for an art competition and I spent about an hour straight drawing horses. This one girl draws some scribbles and calls it a day. Welp, guess who one? 1st place? HER.
wow! 😭😭😭 was there any meaning to her work or something?
Remember that one meme of frog drawing competition, 1st place's an ambiguous lines of blob with eyes & legs, the 2nd place's photoreallistic portrait of a frog.
Don't know if legit...
@@MohammedAgbadi nope she said it was abstract and the took it :/ it was not she told her friends
@@naufalmEZa never heard of that 😭
That reminds me SO much of what happened in grade 8. I spent 3-4 hours on one drawing (we had to draw dragon eyes), only for someone who spent 30 minutes bolding the lines with sharpie to get a higher grade. It made me VERY UPSET. What's worse is, is that I was the class artist. I know it's petty to still be somewhat upset over this, considering it was so many years ago, but just... So much effort down the drain and I got a 70% while she got perfect.
I always make sure to follow wonderful talented artists who create the art with their own hands (pencil, brush, pen, colors) while completely AVOIDING AI artists because even though it's getting hard to spot the AI, if we take a moment to give the art a good cold look we can tell what's really going on behind the scenes! I congratulate all the fellow artist out there who put their hard work, love, and determination into creating those amazing pieces by hand.
What abt digital?-
Tbh ai artist should just be called fake artist. These fake artist are stealing spots and art from real artists. There needs to be rules set for art contest in the future. I don't think ai art should be allowed, and if they have to cator to it, then a separte category.
I saw a comment further up that mentioned a competition the required submitters to show progress work and such, which is probably much better than just submitting images. It basically makes it impossible to upload a submission without evidence of progress, so an ai art bro would either have to, gasp, put effort into faking progress, or have their pieces likely disregarded because there is no evidence that the art was actually, genuinely made by them.
They are scam artists.
@Nox.x_ART I saw that comment! I think it's a good idea. It just sucks that artist have to do a little more work, just to prove their art is real.
@steffimaier7297 Heh, that's actually a good way to refer to them, too.
@@steffimaier7297 indeed
Thanks for covering this! Seems like a win for artists… and it definitely takes a true artist eye to spot such glitches and inconsistencies! the irony is that a real artist COULD have gotten away with it, but they wouldn’t be so lazy lol ✨
It's such an insult because without *REAL ARTISTS DRAWING REAL ART,* there would be nothing for AI bros to steal from. It's such BS! AI bros think they're making art, when all they do is steal everyone else's hard work. I hate all this AI generated image bullshet and I think it's 100% ok to steal anything generated by AI and redraw/reimagine it as your own. See a cool OC design made with AI? Congrats, it's yours now! What are they gonna do about it?
Dry their tears with money
I stopped entering online contests over 10 years ago. Some of us saw it coming.
Thanks for the update on the situation with the organizers screening through submissions again, and referencing Katliente's video as well. It's good to know that action was taken, though it'd be nice to know when they finally put up the updated list after they've finished the re-screening process... whenever that happense
What is annoying that those scammers don't get disqualified. But that photographer who entered an AI contest with a real photo (called "flamingone") got disqualified.
Why aren't art competitions doing the same? Edit: Glad that scammer got disqualified! Needs to happen more often and contests should probably as for WIPs.
I initially thought AI would help the world and people, but the past few years I’ve realized it’s only getting worse
This is so weird cause the AI creators literally said you aren‘t owning the copyright so this is literally copyright infringement.
The people making AI generated art are grifters, they know its very not illegal, but they dont care as long there is any chance of getting their money easily now.
The legal decision that they don't own the copyright because the pieces aren't copyrightable. By the same logic that led to it being decided that you can't own an AI image, the same image can't be infringing on copyright.
@@eightcoins4401 true
Us artists are mopped 😭💀
😭😭😭
16:58 As of now, a total of 11 submissions in the top 300 have been discovered to be AI generated art, all of which are Pikachu and Eevee (not surprising at all). I used HIVE to check them, and all except for 1 of them showed up as 99.8% or 99.9% AI
Amber Zeigler (1)
DARA (1)
Vigen K (6)
Weihang Ye (2)
Johanna Tarkela's one is definitely painted. I tried it too with HIVE and with the same image taken from the Pokémon site and one Twitter. The one form Pokémon is 78% and from Twitter only 6.8%. I don't know how trustworthy this check is.
@gagi121 I found this out a little bit ago and had to correct my mistake on Twitter. I'm only just seeing this comment now, but thank you for trying to bring this to my attention anyway. The rest were guaranteed AI, but that one wasn't, and I should've known better. Thankfully all of the AI didn't make it into the top 100.
imagine working for days on a piece just for a dumb person to come to take all ur hard work using ai for 1 minute
The narration from the tiktok commenting on the topic, that starts at 13:15 is also AI generated im pretty sure lol. Ironic
Debunking a bunch of common AI bro arguments:
"AI generated images are just as legitimate as actual art." No, they aren't because you didn't make the image. And no, plopping a bunch of text into a bar to make an amalgamation of likely plagiarized images does not count either. AI is a tool for legitimate artists to test out what their ideas may look like before finally drawing it themselves, it does not produce art itself.
"If you don't want your art put through an AI database, then don't post it on the Internet!" There's this thing called intellectual property. Doing so without artist's permission is not only immoral, it is probably illegal as well. Also, please tell me then why I see so many watermarks from the obviously pilfered artists if this is a non- issue?
"It's not NFT's 2, Bro! AI will replace all artists!" Obvious copium aside, it very much is. When businesses see how ugly and unpopular AI generated images are, they're going to drop it, and all companies pushing this fad are going to die out. You will never replace human art, no matter how hard you ignorant techbros try, and AI art will never even be comparable to human made art because AI is incapable of feeling, and art is supposed to evoke emotion.
"Stop straw manning me!" It's not fallacious if it's true.
My final question for you AI bros is why aren't you trying to use AI to take over the menial labor like retail or warehouse management instead of parasitizing the creative arts that people would rather see be made by actual human beings?
I don't know who you spoke to but AI is really just a tool to work/create faster.
And if you think that AI is simply not working on its own, I invite you to look at the work of Victor Gnarly, one of our AI brothers who demonstrates through his work that AI is truly a tool that does not prevent you from working.
Even if I told you that making a 1000 page comic book with coherent dialogue is as hard as doing it all manually, I know you wouldn't believe that even if I invited you to to try.
@@lastchildz8567 right...because ordering some food at a restaurant suddenly became the same as you cooking it yourself, makes sense. If you closeted slobs will keep trying to cling on to your false sense of righteousness to protect yourselves from shame then at least come up with better and more arguments. Funny how the only thing you all are good at is typing key-words yet when it comes to formulating a coherent message for your defense you fall flat as you can't rely on your generative AI to do that for you as well
They are simply lazy and tallentless, even if they have any, they just wasted it.
Learning how to draw is actually easy, but evolving it does take time.
You are being delusional if you think companies wont just use ai art. Even if you‘d be right about people disliking ai artworks it will be used for smaller stuff you cant possibly notice being ai generated.
Those people are not even worth acknowledging. They're all Grifters hoping for AI Images to be the new get rich quick scheme.
I love this content creature because he actually brings things to light about so many things in the art community
😭😭😭tysm
lmaoo not the content creature
Btw also the pictures of the two sleeping pikachus submitted by Weihang Ye are 100% AI and I wouldn't even be surprised if it was still Vigo making up a chinese name
To avoid AI cheating in drawing competitions, the qualifying participants should be required to show proof of their drawing process, such as a time-lapse video of their work.
My thoughts exactly. A speedpaint video is undeniable proof, since some artists prefer to merge layers at the end
I tried entering the Pokémon card art contest, but none of my entries got in. It’s sad to think that me and other talented artists could have had a chance to get in if this guy didn’t cheat. It would have been a dream to have my art on a Pokemon card.
If you look on the website news you can see a post from them. They said that they disqualified him and are going to choose new artist to take his places ! 🎉
LET’S F**KING GOOOOO!
wow... You're my inspiration to most of my TH-cam art commentary videos thankyou
AI is going to SAVE ARTISTS. The standard is 🗑️ now & the same 🗑️ introduced AI. Now REAL ARTISTS are about to stand out.
i hope so...i really do hope so!!!
That's a very optimistic and refreshing mindset
I love your videos, they're the best to put while drawing or cozy gaming. Love the calm and cozy vibe, xoxo.
This is what happens when you dont have real artists as the Judges of your contest. or Judges whodont pay attention to blatant signs of cheating.
saddest part is the people working on AI like that will probably just use the feedback on how it got caught to improve it in future versions, making it harder and harder to distinguish from human art.
Omg when I had to do a art competition for graphics class and all my classmates thought mine was AI generated💀
A fix for this could be making artists send in a video or multiple shots of their process for making their pieces. Big downside is that this would make judging take a bit longer due to checking if anyone faked their progress photos or videos. It would also suck if someone forgot to document their progress. These AI don't follow anywhere near the same process a real artist does; it just places pixels and works with noise until it gets an image.
Place where I live is having our annual County Fair next month ... I think I will pay close attention to any non-traditional-media entries that may be in the gallery. (Said fair has had some controversy in the past over similar issues, such as allowing Lego builds as entries in the Arts & Crafts category, with judges unable to tell official sets from original builds.)
To be clear, this is a physical exhibition (with a heavy bias towards paintings specifically) where any exhibitions of computer-printed work will already stand out as a minority.
This is why i never enter contests ran by companies now, it's a waste of time.
I entered one from genshin a while back and one of the winners it was a traced emote already existing in the game, and they did nothing about it.
this also happened with the xiao and albedo ones too. (someone actually straight up used a google image which already belonged to another artist)
i don't know how these companies expect us to want to enter contests if the people judging it are doing a terrible job.
My advice to other artists is, don't waste your time go for smaller competitions. it will just make u angry when someone who traces, uses AI or steals an art piece wins.
All of these are just glorified advertising and engage,ment bait anyways
Solution: Art competitions should require speed paint videos or proof of the creation process. Something AI would have a very difficult time replicating. Sure it could TRY to generate a speed paint video, but the way the brush strokes and logical progression of a painting or drawing is conducted throughout the video would make it VERY clear if it were done with AI or by human hands...
"Ai actually just steals less than a procent of every piece" is probably the dumbest pro-Ai argument ever, if that was the case they wouldn't feed Ai 100% of every piece, yet they do.
As someone whose radically anti-AI I do think it’s important to understand what we’re against.
Content created by generative AI actually doesn’t use any “percent” of the stolen works. It’s more accurate to think of the stolen training data as sources of inspiration it can pull from. In fact even the biggest nerds out there still don’t understand the complexities of how AI learns and processes things. It’s just input, what might as well be mystery magic, and then output.
It’s still stolen, and it’s still wrong, but understanding the enemy is crucial if we ever want to win.
Stealing intellectual property from one person is plagiarism.
Stealing intellectual property from millions of people is artificial intelligence.
@@liampugh what about those who make ai for memes and let them sing songs? Are you against that too?
@@saturnking-il4fp while some are admittedly pretty funny. Yes I am against those as well. Generative AI will destroy human culture if we don’t stop it first, and unfortunately that includes the fun and goofy uses of it that are relatively harmless.
From a tech standpoint I still think it’s all really cool and interesting, I just already know artists my age who are quitting and giving up and I can’t even imagine how this is affecting the younger generation of artists who should be finding their skill/passion right now.
I guarantee you there are some insanely talented kids out there who should be growing up to be the next Chris Nolan or Lady Gaga but instead they’ve chosen not to pursue music, writing, film, art, etc…. Because they’re growing up in a world where AI does it for them and companies would rather use that AI instead of hiring artists. So they never become the great artists they were destined to be.
Artists everywhere are already losing their jobs. The end has already started.
@@liampugh deam just say ya dont like fun bruh only because ya dont like ai that doesn't mean memes and voices should be banned 🫥🫥🫥🫥
The audacity of TH-cam giving me an ad about AI image generating program before this video...
I thought the art was real when i first saw it, ai is getting better everyday what the hell
😭😭😭
I think it’s just the model, because there are still many ai models that pump out bad images. This is probably just a more advanced model that could be specifically for Pokemon, or this specific model just recognizes Pokemon related words and names.
Its on first glance. once you look closer you see the issues
If I ever host an art competition. I WILL ASK FOR A SCREEN RECORDING OF THE ARTWORK to make sure it's NOT cheated
I long for the days where all we had to worry about were tracers.. how are we supposed to get through THIS? I hope sometime very soon there is a law against stealing artwork through ai like this, it's ridiculous. I don't even post my art anywhere anymore because of this.
The worst part about AI art is that it destroys creativity. AI cannot be creative because it is unable to create completely new things, but instead only able to copy from others art pieces.
That darn AI(shake’s fist)
lmfaooooo curse you aiiiiiiiiii
I really want people to stop using the term "AI Art". Art is made by people. These programs use AI to generate images based on art that people make. So I suggest we use the term "AI image". Lets not inadvertently validate what these programs are doing by referring to what they do as "art".
The Image generated by those also is legally owned by the AI, and not the person typing the prompts, so theres another layer of it not being "theirs"
I'm not aware of the actual submission process for the Pokemon TCG competition, but all art competitions should have a mandatory file upload of proof showing that the artwork was made by hand (i.e timelapse video, video showing the various layers in their art application or a photo of their physical canvas if they decided to paint physically etc.)
I know its easy for an AI user to just hide the original image if they went to the effort of tracing it over, but I personally think its easier to filter it out than a thousand different unknowns that all need their own time and effort just to verify that it was genuine.
Again, the people running these competitions NEED to put ACTUAL artists in charge who know how to judge an artwork for its genuine handcraftsmanship and value, rather than just the fact that it 'looks good' from face value.
Even if there was an official AI art section. You can be sure there would be people using Chat GPT to generate the highly descriptive prompts, inevitably raising the exact same issues. 😅😭 Not to mention the entering more than once. Fo this competition, they could have mandated process videos showing the artists hands while creating the art for atleast a portion of the process along with a full timelapse. And that is the least of measures that could have been taken.
Oh no that is the reason why I don't want to post my art 😭 (btw good vid)
If it’s real most people will know it’s real. If your style is similar to that of many ai images, you can always make sure your progress is also archived if anyone accused you
I wonder if it will get so bad to the point that all digital art is gonna get scrutinized and everyone will have to go back to hand drawn on paper for competitions and portfolios.
Ain’t no way bro….😭😭😭 imagine needing to cheat because you can’t draw pikachu that’s the most stupid ahhh shit I ever seen there is no way people think that this is ok or can make them artist there is no cheat way to become good they gotte realize it…..
Im pretty sure the people who submitted AI slop didnt care about "becoming a good artist", im pretty sure they just wanted to cheat to have a quick 5000$
@@eightcoins4401 crazy work tbh…
As someone who likes to draw in his free time, this is specifically why I don’t want to post my art online. That because of art stealers and AI artists
This is why we need more AI image detectors to vet out these AI arts.
For a competition like this the judges will more then likely only get to view the image itself and none of the artists details, this means a judge can view what they are seeing rather then potentially give a biased judgement if they happen to recognise an artist. However if this becomes a regular thing then we could soon see competitions being run by a double panel, the first panel will be weeding out potential AI created pieces with the second panel actually doing the judging.
There's more AI art in that contest: Amber Zeigler, Johanna Tarkela, DARA, and Weihang Ye. All these entries set off the hive ai detector. (though Johanna Tarkela was only 78%). It seems like all contests should be using some sort of AI art detector.
I hate how people have invented AI to like do stuff in art industry. It is already hard enough to get into… since people are being cheap and cutting costs by using AI even though it is soulless.
It bothers me why art, photography, animation was the first things people thought of “We should have AI do it”. I wish AI was used more for like boring household chores like dishes, laundry, etc. If I machine cut down my household responsibilities, I could have more time to do art
Yea. But just hire maids then.
Man, these contests should have some standards. I mean, these AI scumbags would've been immediately denied when the organizers should tell the artists their progress like a PSD or series of WIP images.
If you want an Art contest to not have as many cheater in it, do not give out prize money or other high value rewards. Just sentimental value. This will make it less likely to have people try to win. If I could cheat and win 5k cash why would I not do that? Free money. In some poor places in the world 5000$ is what people make in a couple of months.
i was wondering at what point the entries will need to submit drafts or proof of work to be considered. The seems like it should make it much easier to detect. traditional media can take images through the process.
any competition should have judges that are actually... you know...qualified in the field the competition is about...
I know people say that AI steals from other artists but has anyone noticed as of late that the general look of AI seems to fall within a very narrow 'style'? It's like, you can ask a generator for anything but it is only capable of giving you that in a set style it seems unable to break out of, resulting in the fast trend of AI being 'easy' to spot not because of errors but because it's legit the same shit over and over again.
Same colors, same lighting, same weird glossy look. It's really just taking basic poses but putting on a 'default' coloring style and it's already getting boring.
So remember starting artist; you still have an advantage over AI for the basic ability to be able to move away from a fucking default.
Yep because it's steals more from anime styles which because there is so much of it it started eating itself. Though it won't do much because it looks good Ai will be basically distinguishable from real art because it will never get the details right because of how it works
To be fair, when corporations use Ai they usually want bland soulless slop
this is crazy, i think all art contests should have a specific rule that mentions that AI is not ALLOWED, so these things don't happen again... at least until AI is distinguishable... yikes.
Hi! Is it possible to have you credit or add a source to the artworks that appeared in this video? Like the one at 0:24.. It's not AI art is it?
art isn’t the final product, but the process of making it
i saw an ai “art” creator complaining about art block. Like bruh. How???????????
i hate ai art with my very soul, thus the reason of me starting digital art 4 months ago, I've been improving and having fun.
I even work for a undertale au now. (Providing concepts n stuff.)
He was lucky that it came out before he won. He would have needed to sign of the rights for the pictures to nintendo. Rights, ai art doesn't have. The Nintendo lawyers would have eaten him alive.
I've been digital painting for roughly 20 years, and I've generated thousands of Stable diffusion images also. The only analysis that seems on point is the stadium roof being wonky. The manually drawn water caustics on Eevee's face (yes, that's what it's called) the free-flowing fur, and the coherence of the underwater depth strongly suggest real artist. There's also duplicate God rays which all have the same gaps as if copy and pasted with low opacity and a luma blending mode. AI would never produce this on its own - (but it doesn't rule out these added effects doing done post-generation.)
If you want a robust form of authenticity, ask artists to submit their unflattened works in psd format so that you can see the composition in all its parts. Trying to reverse the process in such a way that produces a generated image would be prohibitively difficult that you may as well have the same 'talent' as the SD model.
Also, what if you WERE the artist that the AI model was specifically trained on?
why dont they make them send the full file with the layers. ?
well, because I for example, merge all the layers in the end
Alot of the time contests like this will streamline the format to make it less of a mess to judge. It often ends up being generic pdf.
Remember when AI art was still extremely easy to detect and AI bros INSISTED they never planned to pretend that the generated images were their own creations??
The loser who did this deserves to be found and publicly shamed
To be fair, the AI Bros are grifters looking for a get rich quick scheme after NFTs didnt work out for them
Are there any counter measures for us artists???? Each week a video coming out saying "Art Theft is getting worst" is kinda making me feel scared ngl T^T
A few years ago, a mermaid tail company called Finfun held their annual tail design contest. The winner would have their design made into a real tail that could be purchased for swimming in. In their rules, they said AI couldn't be submitted. But then they went back and accepted an AI designed tail even after people brought it up.
Courtney Mermaid has an in-depth explanation about it.
*Fake artists ruined art.
We definitely have different styles of art, but love your channel regardless! Keep up the great work brother bringing these issues to light!
i started following art channels for motivation but quickly realized this is NOT the place for that. every video is so depressing and talking about how the art community is in shambles and doomed and other toxic stuff
im not an artist or into the art community but your style of commentary got me watching the entire video!
Using AI is cheating
this person gets it 💖
It’s funny how an actual photographer got disqualified from an ai competition but ai users can get away with anything. It’s a rules for thee but for me situation.