Brilliant!! Hitting the folding point (and actually folding on downswing) combined with the right hand working under are pure gold!!! I am no longer fighting the club, thank you Dan!
Dan I’m so glad this video randomly appeared in my feed, your teaching is so easy to understand. I’ve been struggling with strike and consistency, and even after trackman lessons I felt I hadn’t really improved. Previous lessons the PGA coach was all about “pulling the chain” but I couldn’t understand how that could work. And I was told don’t ever try and cast/release…..I went to the range this afternoon after watching some “fold the club” videos of yours and sure, there was some left and right, but WOW I couldn’t believe how far and straight I hit the majority of shots. I can’t wait to play the next few days. A HUGE THANK YOU to you for your great tuition.
@@danaltongolfinstruction It really does work, wow...Does ball position matter too? Is it better with up, back, neutral? And, what about with a driver? Is the folding point higher up, more toward the shoulder? or would it be the same, which seems to be about the right hip area for me. Tnx, again, this is the easiest swing to replicate too, it almost seems like i'm not trying to even hit the ball, as in, I'm not worried about it as I'm swinging through the ball, i've even been taking up divots!!!
Makes perfect sense. Mike Austin said throw it from the top, so did David Duval. I think you’re saying the same thing. Thanks, I’m glad I clicked on this.
This is genius! I just want you to know that I’m a golf level 2 certified golf coach and I’m using this to explain swing plane and release. If someone would have taught me this when I started playing golf I wouldn’t be rebuilding my current crappy swing. Lol thanks for the killer info
@@anthonyviola9400those thst never had challenges had the worst to explain... When you had many uos and down you have tryed many things and you understand wayyy more the does and dont... So yes its possible to have à crapy swing and being à better coach than many poeple Who havent challenges there beliefs
WOW! - literally just watched a golf video that was advocating the popular pulling the handle forward and rotating hard through the ball. So much instruction is suited for the elite player. But most of it leaves the average golfer way out of position - and struggling to square the clubface. Identifying this "folding point" is genius, and releasing from there takes so much of the endless compensation out of the golf swing. Thanks so much!
You got it👍🏼. And if you check out the 4 misses it makes so much more sense, makes it all very self diagnosable th-cam.com/video/6bobvj5tYe8/w-d-xo.html
I wish you made more videos. I’ve watched all your content multiple times. This swing concept is by far the best advice I’ve ever watched. I’ve dragged the handle for years and couldn’t figure out why I could not hit consistent shots. Thank you so much for all of your tips.
I'm glad this video popped up on my list. I went to the range after watching this and never hit the ball better. It worked for all clubs too, driver down to half wedges. I've been holding and releasing too late fighting push slices for years.
This is the last piece of the puzzle for me. I'd been working so hard for a long time to get the hip turn, shaft lean, stay center, etc. like what they teach these days, but I still could not hit the ball solidly on a consistent basis. The folding point is what was missing. Thank you, Dan.
I started playing golf at 25...28 yrs ago. Took me 2 yrs to shoot a 73 on a par 72. Then people started to "suggest" pulling handle thru, delay the release, etc. This swing by Dan came natural due to baseball and other racquet sports. I gave up on golf 10 yrs ago until recently when I started seeing this swing concept. Now I'm hitting straight again and my ball speed up to 160-170 with 1.40 avg smash factor. This guy and others with the "early release" or "over the top" from INSIDE need more views. It will save your game and make golf fun again.
I’m really glad you’ve come back to golf - there are def some of us telling you how it’s really done but we’re clouded by lots of handle pulling & concepts based on what the swing ‘looks like’ - this is how we, as pro players do it but also make it look like those positions. Thank you for your comment!
oh, damn, now I need to add to if I can just find that damn big rubber band I tie around my arms, and swing this waggle stick thingy, and make sure I compress............and for god's sake, release, I'll put the fun back into a game played for over sixty some years now.......crap, golf, fun? Jesus, that's a weird one. Everyone knows golf isn't fun, can't be fun, that's, just, weird as hell.
I just want to say thank you for this video. For months i have been struggling to get consistency (while getting coached by a pga instructor). My backswing looked spot on but I could not stop pulling down from the top resulting in an out to in path. Feeling like I release from the top/fold and turn makes effortless power and most importantly puts the club on plane coming down every single time.
I never heard of the folding point until I stumbled upon this video. I tried to apply this in my next round without a chance to practice it. I hit my irons almost flawlessly all day. I hit 14 greens and the ones I missed were just by a few yards. Thank you so much for this piece of knowledge
Genius concept.Liked and subscribed. As others have said you are articulating the "Malaska" move in a very clever way. I am a professional coach and trainer in computing. Sometimes a simple change in terminology makes a lightbulb moment. "The point of no return" when the club goes beyond the folding point means we are dumped underneath and all kinds of bad shots happen. It worked for Nicklaus as you said at the end.
Was just in the field hitting PW's with this.Struck every single one solidly and took a divot. It's really the feeling of releasing all angles immediately in the downswing.The opposite of trying to hold the angles and rotate. Hopefully this sticks and doesn't turn into another "swing thought" that works for a while and then stops working. I've been chasing a better golf swing for two decades with lessons, band aids,etc.....lol........but Dan I do appreciate teachers like you that seem to want to help people genuinely and not milk them along for their money.
The immediate difference in the amount of SWOOSH and whip I heard through the ball between the before swing and after correction plus the solid sounding contact was awesome! Excellent lesson thank you can't wait to try this as a golfer who pulls the handle and flips last second
I have been a handle dragger for DECADES. Embracing casting on plane has taken my game to a whole new level. In the past, some teachers made my handle dragging even worse, by getting me to swing with my "big muscles". These are great concepts and I believe helps me understand the golf swing as a whole, but without releasing the club correctly, it was all for not. Thank you so much. I wish you were local.
Hi, Dan,This is magical move for downswing and strike the ball. After watched your vid, I don't try to hit the ball but release and hit some where before the ball and turning my body same time. It feels so sweet. Many thanks.
This technique sends the energy from the shaft into the club head. It feels as though I’m just along for the ride. Never experienced this kind of speed and effortlessness.
Wow something completely different from any teaching I’ve had in the past can’t wait to try this on the range thank you Dan A day later been to the range and this has changed the way I hit the ball high straight and long amazing thank you
Congratulations sir. This is the most excellent golf video on TH-cam, that I have ever watched. And I’ve watched plenty. Not one has ever mentioned what you talk about. So much sense. Trebuchet sir trebuchet.
Hi Dan, Really interesting concept from a few points - the Folding POint could give me an immediate takeaway and swing plane without 1000 positions to “miss” but more importantly for me, it gives me a thought that allows my body to move as a unit and it allows me a relaxed swing - which hopefully will mean less “stiffness/injury”
Thank you ! Thank you ! Pulling the handle is the biggest fallacy in all of sports. The folding point and timing the release properly is brilliant. Went to the range today and immediately started hitting straighter and longer shots with crisp contact on almost every shot with every club. Can’t wait to practice this some more.
I’m really working on this release and getting away from pulling the handle. I was on a Trackman simulator yesterday. Ball striking was much more consistent and i immediately picked up 10-15 yards with my pitching wedge. What I found, however, was almost all of my shots went to the left (I am right handed golfer). The club path was most of the time “inside to out” and the face angle was closed and closed to the path. What is the best way to get the face square or slightly open? Weaken the grip a bit? Release sooner ? Release more from the inside and out to the right ? Thanks for your feedback.
Hey Dan first time watching your vid, been watching Bill on vertical balance he has really improved my swing and distance forgot to mention Lee as well. Bill said in one of his vids to watch you that you had the basic concept As well and you do really good knowledge and I certainly appreciate you guys let’s keep having fun and making golf simple I’ve been playing for years this just absolutely makes it simple just saying keep on with the vids Dan 👍
The "Folding Point" resonates with me. Mike Malaska seems to teach the same concept but Dan's "folding point" description delivered clarity. Would love to see Dan post a couple of videos related to chipping and short pitches to understand if the folding point is relevant to those shots as well.
@DanAltonGolfInstruction Thank you sir for doing this video for people who slice and pull shots. Is the folding point and release point the same for all clubs?
Whilst the industry does a great job at the professional level, it's the very few inspirational teachers that make Golf accessible and fun for the next generation. I do hope you receive the recognition and Public Profile your work merits.
Been working at that and your video just appeared on my feed. Thank you so much. Great tip. Are you feeling like the right hand and right shoulder move together?!
I think I needed this because I too got so caught up with changing my swing and using all body and rotation with lag that I got in a very bad place and my swing was changing and falling apart constantly and can no longer shoot in the 70s as often. I used to be a flipper of the club, which I still don’t want to do but I was very consistent at it besides losing distance. But this type of swing in the video just mentally makes so much more sense to me and now I can have 1-2 swing thoughts instead of 5 or more swing thoughts and really killing myself trying to turn and rotate through the ball while holding lag. I just always thought this was the “wrong” way based on most other golf videos but seeing this brings my comfort and confidence level back knowing that it’s just a different way to think about it and it works. I was starting to get tired of golf that I didn’t have the motivation and enjoyment like I used to.
Very good comment, thank you. I’m glad it’s helping. Yes this is very much about taking away all the thoughts and just having 1/2 of them - just like Tour players. That’s why for my live students they get such quick results. My next video will be about Width and if you have Lag…you cannot have width. Stay tuned!
Absolutely brilliant! I've been struggling, hitting high right then I throw my hands at it and hit it low left. Tried starting my release from the top while turning my body and it was magic. Thank you very much.
Dan - what are your thoughts on keeping the left wrist flat as you hinge the butt end to start the backswing, or holding the right hand back with no rotation of the forearms/wrists in that backswing?
Hey Dan, loving your concept, I 100percent agree with all of it, Great way to teach a nice easy powerful golf swing, I'm gonna say I use this technique in my swing but i get handsie once In awhile and hit dead straight pulls, but once I get my rhythm on,no better way to hit the ball ,, loving this swing! Thanks man great stuff !
Scratch golfer here.. I’ve been stuck last week or so… could not figure out what the hell was going on. Then this gem came across and it’s was like a light bulb moment lol. Reminded me we tend to forget that we really don’t have as much time in the downswing as we think. Instantly noticed I drifted to releasing way to late to much lag. This video is the feel I’ve always felt playing my best and been trying to get back. That throwing/whipping motion when you release correctly at folding point 🤝
Can i just clarify that what you're saying is swing the club and allow the body to naturally follow, as opposed to shifting weight first before swinging the club? Cheers
Thnx Dan - used this technique last week and hit some incredible shots, especially with my long irons - long, high and straight. is there any drills to prevent me from over doing this, my bad shots went more left than usual
When releasing for the first time..you’re prob rolling your left hand, hit half shot trying to keep your left palm facing down…as long as your shoulder don’t go left the ball cannot. Give it a try!
Ive watched this video many times before but this week ive been in a bit of a crisis of confidence. Basically, forgot how to hit a golf ball. Ive always been decent with irons and very slicey with my driver. Practiced this for an hour today and working on the folding point. Wow, hit every driver shot bullet straight apart from 2 of them. The difference is, i can now understand where them two went wrong and its because i delayed the folding point and clubface was open. Really enjoyed that range session because of your lessons 🙌🙌🙌
This is really revealing. Mike Malaska teaches this release pattern but articulates it in a different manner. Mr. Alton presents it in a clearer way for me to understand. After I watched this video I had the best range session of my life. I’m a 9 handicap who overswings badly at the top. I’ve got decent hands. The folding point helps me manage the overswing better.
Thank you for the compliment, I’m glad it’s helped you! Yes, Mike and I are very similar in some ways, he’s a little more scientific where I’m more straightforward making it common sense, thanks!
amazing lightbulb moment for me, had to go out and take a few practice swings to feel it and i already feel how it makes the body naturally move. feels great, i think my missing link. cant wait to go practice this!
Hi Dan, Does this technique of releasing at the folding point work for all clubs ? Specifically the driver and long irons ? Can you demonstrate with driver please.
@@danaltongolfinstruction Awesome video. I too would love to see you go thru your bag and identify the folding point for each club. Thanks for the videos.
I’m really glad you’re close to me! I have a lesson scheduled in 2 weeks and have been practicing what I see in your videos. Good results so far on my own. 1:37
Oh my god! I've just stepped on your video, what a HA HA moment for me! All these years i was pulling the handle way to far, thinking i had to create lag, and i had all kind of problems..way right, way left, hooks....but when i applied your braking point theory...holly crap! I've never hit the ball so good! Where were you all my golfing life? I wish i knew this 20 years ago! Thank you so much!!!
You got it! No way to consistently drag the club into the ball, which is why your players don’t do it, they do this. It just looks like we pull and turn, we don’t. I’m glad it’s helping! Keep us posted!
Pure gold. Mike Austin and his instructor progeny talked much about this concept. I'm glad that you are putting your own twist on it. Your style is right on. Thanks for taking the time.
I have tried and tried swinging around my body and get the handle down and threw without success. This makes total sense and I can’t wait to work on it this winter.
Man l feel this sometimes when l hit balls to the net but l can't explain/understand what the heck l was doing l know it feels so freakn good and l compress the ball l crazy. Now l know and l am going to find it again and that's my swing because when l do this half swing (feels like it) man it's so good. Thank you!
i have seen Dan's video before but did not understand his system. This is similar to Malaska ssystem . I have been struggling with my golf swing, going right on the drive and also about 15 degrees right with the irons. Now , having listened to Dan and his demo, the light bulb went on in my head. I was pulling the club end and the ball went right . This morning I went to the chipping green with the 20 and 35 yards shots with the 60 and 56 wedges. With dan's technique my shots went straight. Amazing. Thanks Dan , I have to find out where you are and see if the wind can bring me to your in-person lessons.,
Been a handle puller my whole life, this is now my way to play, I try to release before anything else moves, I know that’s not reality but that feel works for me…thanks!
I gave a lesson teaching this with a smash bag where I put the bag behind and inside the ball where the folding point would be and had the beat the crap out of the bag and the results were incredible
Thanks! I think there are still a few of us out there teaching the tours majority swing, we’re just clouded by a lot of ‘handle pulling info’ because since that is what the swing looks like, it’s easier for people to fall in with. Even tho as a pro player that isn’t what we do. Thanks for your comment!
Thank goodness for guys like you and Mike Malaska! I'm a low single digit handicap and have been trying to simplify my swing for years. I've been caught in a quagmire of position based teaching that hasn't given me any freedom to swing the club for years! My eyes have been opened and many thanks for your "folding point" videos!
Thanks Dan, loved this video. I’ve been playing golf on & off for 40 years now, I remember being told by a coach early on to throw the club head at the ball is this in line with what you’re saying here? I’m 70 now and just coming back to golf did the right thing and had some lessons and was told that I’d do better if I created some lag in my swing by pulling the handle through and all I have been doing is hitting right or dead straight pulls with the occasional straight one. Playing of 16 despite this. So I’m off to the range right now to see if I can get some better contact happening and maybe find the centre of the club more often.
Thanks for the the comment. I hope you have success playing - you have any creating lag and pulling especially at your age. Watch some of my other videos, the 4 misses one, the Width and Lag one. You’ll get the picture! Let me know how it goes!
OUTstanding presentation DAN>>>>>>>>>>>>> The great Jack Nicklaus said "he couldn't get the club head to the ball fast enough" everyone today trying to hold on "delay" =wrong! Good to see someone teaching people correctly! Imagine trying to hold the barrel back on a 90 MPH fastball >>>OUCH!
Gotten this question a lot, between my live lessons and making content - I really don’t have the time or App? To do that. You can always email me a swing and I’ll give it a look for a fair price 👍🏼 - email me with details.
Dan you are a fantastic teacher and you just gave away the secret of the golf swing At age 76 I absolutely ❤ Thé Folding Point Downswing of Golf. More importantly i know exactly how, when, why, and; where to trigger it. Jack Nicklaus was a genius with his early release but he never discussed the specifics of how it did it. I just discovered it on my own doing my twirl waggle. I would tell people; but they would probably laugh at me until they tried it themselves. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂
Also, yes works for pitch shots…you may want to finish your swing low Thru the ball - which will flight it down and have spin…that’s how you really do the hinge and hold move - you do this with a low finish
would you show some women swings and how they can hit the ball so far also??. You have a great way of showing and clarifying how to do the proper golf actions/motions! I tried this today at the range and got alot of hooks... so I assume I have to have my right hand feel like it is going under more thru the ball ?? thanks for much.
Dan, I used this technique today for 18 holes and was shocked how well I hit it with every club. I’m 71 and today I hit a 270 yd drive with a tail wind. My usual drives are 220. The left palm down with the casting release was the key for me. A strong lead hand with a weak trail hand that you can hit hard with, connected upper arms and a strong focus on shoulder alignment we’re awesome together! Instead of calling it the folding point it’s really the unfolding point right? Anyway, thanks so much for this very clear concept! Has been a breakthrough for me 😀
Dan what does your comment "I'm filing the club through the ball" mean?...does this mean to you that you are flinging the club through the ball with your trail hand down the target line so that your trail palm then starts to face up after impact?
Love your videos Dan. Thank you! Can you do a more videos on putting too? Watched your video on putting and I'm putting so much better. Would love to see more. Thank you!
Normally I share very good golf video with my playing partners but is this case I'll make an exception. It's a little similar to Steve Pratt. I liked and subscribed of course!
This is akin to the Stan Utley pitching videos methodology applied to the full swing. Pretty good advice especially for senior golfers who need to get more clubspeed with their hands and arms.
Someone mentioned that to me the other day in passing, yes, the clubhead needs its own momentum on it especially bounce shots around the greens ~ the clubhead has to go first! Thanks for the comment, glad it helps!
FYI another sign of hitting it off the toe is if your irons are too Flat for you. Might need a degree upright or so - the better you get the more a fitting becomes important!
Just to clarify something you're talking about at the very beginning where most instruction to sing to bring the handle through so it's way ahead of the ball they are also twisting the shaft! Collin Morikawa would be a great example of this even if his hands are way ahead he's twisting the shaft to square the face well as his body rotation. I do find this concept fascinating! To me it almost seems like it would be ideal for driver or longer clubs though. Well I guess it depends on the goal. The reason Pros are in my opinion dramatically delofting or leaning the shaft and twisting the club is to maximize distance. I do see where your concept would be highly effective though as well.
Dan, I,ve been shanking for 30 years and have seen at least 10 instructors, and no one could tell me why until I happened on this video and it finally dawned on me, THAT'S MY PROBLEM, I wish I lived closer I would love to take a lesson.
This honestly is one of the goofiest concepts and I cannot wrap my head around why it works, but i went out and pured the ball like i've never before. Make it make sense haha!
Thanks Dan, Mike Malaska is also teaching this. Glad to see someone else bring back natural reactions to golf. Been doing this for a year now and makes the swing much easier to understand.
I feel that I’m starting to cut the face into the ball from the top. My left hand bring the handle in (I don’t feel that) and my right hand cuts - that’s my mental image
@@danaltongolfinstruction I’m pretty lucky in that I can pick things up on my own. The probably like most of us, is holding on to the feeling. I wish I could do in person
Hi Dan, When Rich Beem won the 2002 pga, I kept seeing this folding point where the ACTION was happening. I wondered what it was about. Now I fully know what Rich was doing! Thanks!
@@danaltongolfinstruction nobiggee but I think you would like watching some of beems swings. I really focused to see what he did. I think the fold was matched up well
well, it's the point of propulsion that takes a player into the folding point. but, the hands don't make any independent release. the right clavicle turns thru, whilst the left hand presses against the left side of the shaft. obviously, with a full shot, the clavicle can't turn thru from the top. it can only turn thru when the club has started to move back round to the ball. the flexion of the right arm, in the full swing, activates the muscles around the clavicle and enables it to turn thru when the muscles in the left side of the right forearm have become fully activated.
I was litrally going to comment, this what jack Nicholas was talking about when he said its impossible to release the club to soon...then you said it...😄 Nicholas figured and felt this same release...
@Dan Alton be amazing if you could do a vid explaining the folding point specifically and how an average joe can find it on the range without an instructor from Australia
My observations; 1. He stood up about inch or so from the stance to the top of the swing. Not a huge problem, but better if he was level or even a small dip. 2. He waits until his backswing finished at the top before starting his downswing. This is a very common and HUGE problem that plagues nearly all amateurs. His entire body moves together from the top, but what should be happening is the lower body starts rotation BEFORE the backswing is finished. In other words there's no X-factor or upper body/lower body separation. 3. He stands up in the down swing because he has to, otherwise the club would hit well behind the ball. So he ends up flipping at the ball. All the trail elbow and wrist angles are completely lost long before impact. 4. If you freeze the video frame at impact you can see his hips are pointing directly at the ball, instead of being open past the ball. The hips must be open at impact, the trail side should have some bend to it. Freeze a video of Bobby Jones swing at impact. I would have him immulate that impact in a static position first. Right now he doesn't understand what that even should look like, so he can't immulate it a full swing.
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Brilliant!! Hitting the folding point (and actually folding on downswing) combined with the right hand working under are pure gold!!! I am no longer fighting the club, thank you Dan!
Yes!!! You’ve got it, so happy it works for you!!!
Dan I’m so glad this video randomly appeared in my feed, your teaching is so easy to understand. I’ve been struggling with strike and consistency, and even after trackman lessons I felt I hadn’t really improved. Previous lessons the PGA coach was all about “pulling the chain” but I couldn’t understand how that could work. And I was told don’t ever try and cast/release…..I went to the range this afternoon after watching some “fold the club” videos of yours and sure, there was some left and right, but WOW I couldn’t believe how far and straight I hit the majority of shots. I can’t wait to play the next few days. A HUGE THANK YOU to you for your great tuition.
That’s so awesome to hear! Keep up the great work and stay tuned for more!
@@danaltongolfinstruction It really does work, wow...Does ball position matter too? Is it better with up, back, neutral? And, what about with a driver? Is the folding point higher up, more toward the shoulder? or would it be the same, which seems to be about the right hip area for me. Tnx, again, this is the easiest swing to replicate too, it almost seems like i'm not trying to even hit the ball, as in, I'm not worried about it as I'm swinging through the ball, i've even been taking up divots!!!
Makes perfect sense. Mike Austin said throw it from the top, so did David Duval. I think you’re saying the same thing.
Thanks, I’m glad I clicked on this.
This is genius! I just want you to know that I’m a golf level 2 certified golf coach and I’m using this to explain swing plane and release. If someone would have taught me this when I started playing golf I wouldn’t be rebuilding my current crappy swing. Lol thanks for the killer info
That’s awesome, glad it’s helping! Glad you’re going to show it the right way!
Just finished playing a tournament shot 74 putted like crap but every swing and pitch I thought of this and it’s a game changer really
You're a golf coach and have a crappy golf swing? 😂
Fantastic golf vid lesson, going to try this! Would you do this also with Pitching ? Do you have a vid lesson on short game? Thanks!
@@anthonyviola9400those thst never had challenges had the worst to explain... When you had many uos and down you have tryed many things and you understand wayyy more the does and dont... So yes its possible to have à crapy swing and being à better coach than many poeple Who havent challenges there beliefs
WOW! - literally just watched a golf video that was advocating the popular pulling the handle forward and rotating hard through the ball. So much instruction is suited for the elite player. But most of it leaves the average golfer way out of position - and struggling to square the clubface. Identifying this "folding point" is genius, and releasing from there takes so much of the endless compensation out of the golf swing. Thanks so much!
You got it👍🏼. And if you check out the 4 misses it makes so much more sense, makes it all very self diagnosable th-cam.com/video/6bobvj5tYe8/w-d-xo.html
I wish you made more videos. I’ve watched all your content multiple times. This swing concept is by far the best advice I’ve ever watched. I’ve dragged the handle for years and couldn’t figure out why I could not hit consistent shots. Thank you so much for all of your tips.
I'm glad this video popped up on my list. I went to the range after watching this and never hit the ball better. It worked for all clubs too, driver down to half wedges. I've been holding and releasing too late fighting push slices for years.
Love this! Thanks for the feedback, glad it helps!
This is the last piece of the puzzle for me. I'd been working so hard for a long time to get the hip turn, shaft lean, stay center, etc. like what they teach these days, but I still could not hit the ball solidly on a consistent basis. The folding point is what was missing. Thank you, Dan.
Yes!! I’m glad it’s working for you!!
I started playing golf at 25...28 yrs ago. Took me 2 yrs to shoot a 73 on a par 72. Then people started to "suggest" pulling handle thru, delay the release, etc. This swing by Dan came natural due to baseball and other racquet sports. I gave up on golf 10 yrs ago until recently when I started seeing this swing concept. Now I'm hitting straight again and my ball speed up to 160-170 with 1.40 avg smash factor. This guy and others with the "early release" or "over the top" from INSIDE need more views. It will save your game and make golf fun again.
I’m really glad you’ve come back to golf - there are def some of us telling you how it’s really done but we’re clouded by lots of handle pulling & concepts based on what the swing ‘looks like’ - this is how we, as pro players do it but also make it look like those positions. Thank you for your comment!
oh, damn, now I need to add to if I can just find that damn big rubber band I tie around my arms, and swing this waggle stick thingy, and make sure I compress............and for god's sake, release, I'll put the fun back into a game played for over sixty some years now.......crap, golf, fun? Jesus, that's a weird one. Everyone knows golf isn't fun, can't be fun, that's, just, weird as hell.
I just want to say thank you for this video. For months i have been struggling to get consistency (while getting coached by a pga instructor). My backswing looked spot on but I could not stop pulling down from the top resulting in an out to in path. Feeling like I release from the top/fold and turn makes effortless power and most importantly puts the club on plane coming down every single time.
I never heard of the folding point until I stumbled upon this video. I tried to apply this in my next round without a chance to practice it. I hit my irons almost flawlessly all day. I hit 14 greens and the ones I missed were just by a few yards. Thank you so much for this piece of knowledge
You’re welcome, glad it helps..stay tuned!
Absolute BS 😂
Genius concept.Liked and subscribed. As others have said you are articulating the "Malaska" move in a very clever way. I am a professional coach and trainer in computing. Sometimes a simple change in terminology makes a lightbulb moment. "The point of no return" when the club goes beyond the folding point means we are dumped underneath and all kinds of bad shots happen. It worked for Nicklaus as you said at the end.
Was just in the field hitting PW's with this.Struck every single one solidly and took a divot. It's really the feeling of releasing all angles immediately in the downswing.The opposite of trying to hold the angles and rotate. Hopefully this sticks and doesn't turn into another "swing thought" that works for a while and then stops working.
I've been chasing a better golf swing for two decades with lessons, band aids,etc.....lol........but Dan I do appreciate teachers like you that seem to want to help people genuinely and not milk them along for their money.
Thank you. Just trying to make players understand how it’s really done…most every amateur needs to swing like this! I love it
The immediate difference in the amount of SWOOSH and whip I heard through the ball between the before swing and after correction plus the solid sounding contact was awesome! Excellent lesson thank you can't wait to try this as a golfer who pulls the handle and flips last second
I have been a handle dragger for DECADES. Embracing casting on plane has taken my game to a whole new level. In the past, some teachers made my handle dragging even worse, by getting me to swing with my "big muscles". These are great concepts and I believe helps me understand the golf swing as a whole, but without releasing the club correctly, it was all for not. Thank you so much. I wish you were local.
Hi, Dan,This is magical move for downswing and strike the ball. After watched your vid, I don't try to hit the ball but release and hit some where before the ball and turning my body same time. It feels so sweet. Many thanks.
Very refreshing to hear your view on casting/ non casting - cant wait to try 😊
This technique sends the energy from the shaft into the club head. It feels as though I’m just along for the ride. Never experienced this kind of speed and effortlessness.
Yes! That’s a great way to put it! Glad it’s helping.
Wow something completely different from any teaching I’ve had in the past can’t wait to try this on the range thank you Dan
A day later been to the range and this has changed the way I hit the ball high straight and long amazing thank you
Steve Pratt and Mike Malaska also talk about this , and it helps greatly. Cures a lot mistakes! Cheers.( new subscriber )
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Hallo Dan vor 4 Wochen hab ich Dein Video gesehen! Bin jetzt 73 Jahre alt und mein Ball fliegt perfekt! Hoffentlich bleibt es so!!!!
This swing has transformed my game. I still struggle with getting too steep from time to time but my consistency is improving. Thanks, Dan.
Thanks for the feedback, I’m glad to help! Try and make the release rounder instead of down!
Congratulations sir. This is the most excellent golf video on TH-cam, that I have ever watched. And I’ve watched plenty. Not one has ever mentioned what you talk about. So much sense. Trebuchet sir trebuchet.
Thanks so much! Stay tuned for more!!
Hi Dan, Really interesting concept from a few points - the Folding POint could give me an immediate takeaway and swing plane without 1000 positions to “miss” but more importantly for me, it gives me a thought that allows my body to move as a unit and it allows me a relaxed swing - which hopefully will mean less “stiffness/injury”
You’ll swing with no restriction and pain free! I’m glad it’s helping. Thank for your comment!
Thank you ! Thank you ! Pulling the handle is the biggest fallacy in all of sports. The folding point and timing the release properly is brilliant. Went to the range today and immediately started hitting straighter and longer shots with crisp contact on almost every shot with every club. Can’t wait to practice this some more.
So glad to hear it’s helped you! Keep up the good work and stay tuned for more!
I’m really working on this release and getting away from pulling the handle. I was on a Trackman simulator yesterday. Ball striking was much more consistent and i immediately picked up 10-15 yards with my pitching wedge. What I found, however, was almost all of my shots went to the left (I am right handed golfer). The club path was most of the time “inside to out” and the face angle was closed and closed to the path. What is the best way to get the face square or slightly open? Weaken the grip a bit? Release sooner ? Release more from the inside and out to the right ? Thanks for your feedback.
Hey Dan first time watching your vid, been watching Bill on vertical balance he has really improved my swing and distance forgot to mention Lee as well. Bill said in one of his vids to watch you that you had the basic concept As well and you do really good knowledge and I certainly appreciate you guys let’s keep having fun and making golf simple I’ve been playing for years this just absolutely makes it simple just saying keep on with the vids Dan 👍
Thank you, glad your game is improving!
I’ve pulled past that for years. Thanks for this lesson Dan!
The "Folding Point" resonates with me. Mike Malaska seems to teach the same concept but Dan's "folding point" description delivered clarity. Would love to see Dan post a couple of videos related to chipping and short pitches to understand if the folding point is relevant to those shots as well.
@DanAltonGolfInstruction Thank you sir for doing this video for people who slice and pull shots. Is the folding point and release point the same for all clubs?
Mike Malaska been teaching this method for years great job enforcing it Dan
Thank you for your comment! Yes, Mike and I are very similar, different in some areas though.
@@danaltongolfinstruction agree your doing great job
Great instruction, changed my game, now more consistent, high ball flight and fairway finder, thanks so much.
Whilst the industry does a great job at the professional level, it's the very few inspirational teachers that make Golf accessible and fun for the next generation. I do hope you receive the recognition and Public Profile your work merits.
Thank you for the kind words. The recognition comes for you guys staying tuned for more! Thanks for being here!
Been working at that and your video just appeared on my feed. Thank you so much. Great tip. Are you feeling like the right hand and right shoulder move together?!
Thanks for watching, yes that’s not a bad way to feel it, just don’t want to feel the shoulder leading! Stay tuned for more!
Dan when you say release what do you mean & what are you doing?...is it primarily a trail hand move?.
I think I needed this because I too got so caught up with changing my swing and using all body and rotation with lag that I got in a very bad place and my swing was changing and falling apart constantly and can no longer shoot in the 70s as often. I used to be a flipper of the club, which I still don’t want to do but I was very consistent at it besides losing distance. But this type of swing in the video just mentally makes so much more sense to me and now I can have 1-2 swing thoughts instead of 5 or more swing thoughts and really killing myself trying to turn and rotate through the ball while holding lag. I just always thought this was the “wrong” way based on most other golf videos but seeing this brings my comfort and confidence level back knowing that it’s just a different way to think about it and it works. I was starting to get tired of golf that I didn’t have the motivation and enjoyment like I used to.
Very good comment, thank you. I’m glad it’s helping. Yes this is very much about taking away all the thoughts and just having 1/2 of them - just like Tour players. That’s why for my live students they get such quick results. My next video will be about Width and if you have Lag…you cannot have width. Stay tuned!
Absolutely brilliant! I've been struggling, hitting high right then I throw my hands at it and hit it low left. Tried starting my release from the top while turning my body and it was magic. Thank you very much.
You’re welcome, glad it helped!
Dan - what are your thoughts on keeping the left wrist flat as you hinge the butt end to start the backswing, or holding the right hand back with no rotation of the forearms/wrists in that backswing?
Hey Dan, loving your concept, I 100percent agree with all of it, Great way to teach a nice easy powerful golf swing, I'm gonna say I use this technique in my swing but i get handsie once In awhile and hit dead straight pulls, but once I get my rhythm on,no better way to hit the ball ,, loving this swing! Thanks man great stuff !
Dead straight pull are those shoulders turning! Stay front and release up. Thanks for sharing!
Scratch golfer here.. I’ve been stuck last week or so… could not figure out what the hell was going on. Then this gem came across and it’s was like a light bulb moment lol. Reminded me we tend to forget that we really don’t have as much time in the downswing as we think. Instantly noticed I drifted to releasing way to late to much lag. This video is the feel I’ve always felt playing my best and been trying to get back. That throwing/whipping motion when you release correctly at folding point 🤝
So glad to hear that! Yep, def not much time on the way down!
Dan how does the folding point relate or work on bunker shots?
This is like an a-ha moment for me. Thank you so much for this.
Can i just clarify that what you're saying is swing the club and allow the body to naturally follow, as opposed to shifting weight first before swinging the club? Cheers
Thnx Dan - used this technique last week and hit some incredible shots, especially with my long irons - long, high and straight. is there any drills to prevent me from over doing this, my bad shots went more left than usual
When releasing for the first time..you’re prob rolling your left hand, hit half shot trying to keep your left palm facing down…as long as your shoulder don’t go left the ball cannot. Give it a try!
Ive watched this video many times before but this week ive been in a bit of a crisis of confidence. Basically, forgot how to hit a golf ball. Ive always been decent with irons and very slicey with my driver. Practiced this for an hour today and working on the folding point. Wow, hit every driver shot bullet straight apart from 2 of them. The difference is, i can now understand where them two went wrong and its because i delayed the folding point and clubface was open. Really enjoyed that range session because of your lessons 🙌🙌🙌
Love to hear it! Keep up the good work! We’re here on Skillest App if you need us, glad it’s helping!
This is really revealing. Mike Malaska teaches this release pattern but articulates it in a different manner. Mr. Alton presents it in a clearer way for me to understand. After I watched this video I had the best range session of my life. I’m a 9 handicap who overswings badly at the top. I’ve got decent hands. The folding point helps me manage the overswing better.
Thank you for the compliment, I’m glad it’s helped you! Yes, Mike and I are very similar in some ways, he’s a little more scientific where I’m more straightforward making it common sense, thanks!
amazing lightbulb moment for me, had to go out and take a few practice swings to feel it and i already feel how it makes the body naturally move. feels great, i think my missing link. cant wait to go practice this!
Glad it’s working for you!
How does this work for a driver so your hitting up on it. Thx. Do you have any OTT fixe videos
Dan I'm not understanding the folding point. Is when the club is parallel to the ground in the downswing?
Hi Dan, Does this technique of releasing at the folding point work for all clubs ? Specifically the driver and long irons ? Can you demonstrate with driver please.
Yes - for every club. It’s Further away the longer the club!
@@danaltongolfinstruction Thanks for the confirmation, appreciated.
@@danaltongolfinstruction Awesome video. I too would love to see you go thru your bag and identify the folding point for each club. Thanks for the videos.
Yes. The bigger the club the further back or away…is the folding point - This is how we create ‘Width’ in the golf swind
When I drive my best it feels like I've released from the top of the back swing 😂
I’m really glad you’re close to me! I have a lesson scheduled in 2 weeks and have been practicing what I see in your videos. Good results so far on my own. 1:37
Awesome, look forward to it! See you soon.
Excellent. Tried this today and everything was struck perfectly. Coming to see you
You did a great job in you live lessons, thanks for coming out! Keep up the great work George!
Just tried this and it is a great feel that I can replicate consistently without much effort! Thank Dan
Oh my god! I've just stepped on your video, what a HA HA moment for me! All these years i was pulling the handle way to far, thinking i had to create lag, and i had all kind of problems..way right, way left, hooks....but when i applied your braking point theory...holly crap! I've never hit the ball so good! Where were you all my golfing life? I wish i knew this 20 years ago! Thank you so much!!!
You got it! No way to consistently drag the club into the ball, which is why your players don’t do it, they do this. It just looks like we pull and turn, we don’t. I’m glad it’s helping! Keep us posted!
Pure gold. Mike Austin and his instructor progeny talked much about this concept. I'm glad that you are putting your own twist on it. Your style is right on. Thanks for taking the time.
Thanks for watching!
I have tried and tried swinging around my body and get the handle down and threw without success. This makes total sense and I can’t wait to work on it this winter.
Glad it working for you! Keep it up!
Man l feel this sometimes when l hit balls to the net but l can't explain/understand what the heck l was doing l know it feels so freakn good and l compress the ball l crazy. Now l know and l am going to find it again and that's my swing because when l do this half swing (feels like it) man it's so good. Thank you!
i have seen Dan's video before but did not understand his system. This is similar to Malaska ssystem . I have been struggling with my golf swing, going right on the drive and also about 15 degrees right with the irons. Now , having listened to Dan and his demo, the light bulb went on in my head. I was pulling the club end and the ball went right . This morning I went to the chipping green with the 20 and 35 yards shots with the 60 and 56 wedges. With dan's technique my shots went straight.
Amazing. Thanks Dan , I have to find out where you are and see if the wind can bring me to your in-person lessons.,
So glad it’s helping! I’m in Raleigh, NC you can book with me at www.Danaltongolf.com - hope to see you soon!
Been a handle puller my whole life, this is now my way to play, I try to release before anything else moves, I know that’s not reality but that feel works for me…thanks!
Exactly! Great to hear, glad it helps. Stay tuned for more!
I gave a lesson teaching this with a smash bag where I put the bag behind and inside the ball where the folding point would be and had the beat the crap out of the bag and the results were incredible
This video of all of your makes the most sense. You can find the folding point on all clubs as a practice or pre shot
You’ve got it! Thanks for the comment, hope it helps!
Mike Austin taught this decades ago. I like your take on it!
Thanks! I think there are still a few of us out there teaching the tours majority swing, we’re just clouded by a lot of ‘handle pulling info’ because since that is what the swing looks like, it’s easier for people to fall in with. Even tho as a pro player that isn’t what we do. Thanks for your comment!
Thank goodness for guys like you and Mike Malaska! I'm a low single digit handicap and have been trying to simplify my swing for years. I've been caught in a quagmire of position based teaching that hasn't given me any freedom to swing the club for years! My eyes have been opened and many thanks for your "folding point" videos!
Thanks Dan, loved this video. I’ve been playing golf on & off for 40 years now, I remember being told by a coach early on to throw the club head at the ball is this in line with what you’re saying here? I’m 70 now and just coming back to golf did the right thing and had some lessons and was told that I’d do better if I created some lag in my swing by pulling the handle through and all I have been doing is hitting right or dead straight pulls with the occasional straight one. Playing of 16 despite this. So I’m off to the range right now to see if I can get some better contact happening and maybe find the centre of the club more often.
Thanks for the the comment. I hope you have success playing - you have any creating lag and pulling especially at your age. Watch some of my other videos, the 4 misses one, the Width and Lag one. You’ll get the picture! Let me know how it goes!
OUTstanding presentation DAN>>>>>>>>>>>>> The great Jack Nicklaus said "he couldn't get the club head to the ball fast enough" everyone today trying to hold on "delay" =wrong! Good to see someone teaching people correctly! Imagine trying to hold the barrel back on a 90 MPH fastball >>>OUCH!
Oh for sure that would hurt! Yes - no point in the swing where it’s too early to release! Great comment, thanks!
I'm curious what your student's handicap is, Dan? Sounded like a session of solid strikes... 🤙
This works for me. Its a great feel to go for and only swing thought I have now. Others are very negative on it…each their own.
Glad it helps, thanks!
Dan, do you offer online lessons/swing analysis? If so, what is the process?
Gotten this question a lot, between my live lessons and making content - I really don’t have the time or App? To do that. You can always email me a swing and I’ll give it a look for a fair price 👍🏼 - email me with details.
Dan you are a fantastic teacher and you just gave away the secret of the golf swing
At age 76 I absolutely ❤ Thé Folding Point Downswing of Golf.
More importantly i know exactly how, when, why, and; where to trigger it.
Jack Nicklaus was a genius with his early release but he never discussed the specifics of how it did it. I just discovered it on my own doing my twirl waggle. I would tell people; but they would probably laugh at me until they tried it themselves. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂
Great stuff. Tomorrow at range we will see.🎉This sounds like something else.👍
Hope it helps! Let us know!
I take it these same ideas hold for pitch shots as well.
Dan-- have you considered a basic series for grip,takeaway,etc on your channel?Thanks
That’s a great idea. Been thinking about doing a ‘stages of the swing video’ etc yes!
Also, yes works for pitch shots…you may want to finish your swing low Thru the ball - which will flight it down and have spin…that’s how you really do the hinge and hold move - you do this with a low finish
What type of grip to you recommend? Strong grip?
Strong lead hand grip without interlocking, interlocking makes ppl want to roll
@@danaltongolfinstruction 10 finger or overlap?
would you show some women swings and how they can hit the ball so far also??. You have a great way of showing and clarifying how to do the proper golf actions/motions! I tried this today at the range and got alot of hooks... so I assume I have to have my right hand feel like it is going under more thru the ball ?? thanks for much.
Incredible golf tip here. Instantly fixed my irons. Not my driver yet, still working on that. Might need to work on releasing earlier.
You’re spot on with knowing what to do with driver, it’s explained here as well: th-cam.com/video/mUM-iVDfrbE/w-d-xo.html hope it helps!
Dan, I used this technique today for 18 holes and was shocked how well I hit it with every club. I’m 71 and today I hit a 270 yd drive with a tail wind. My usual drives are 220. The left palm down with the casting release was the key for me. A strong lead hand with a weak trail hand that you can hit hard with, connected upper arms and a strong focus on shoulder alignment we’re awesome together! Instead of calling it the folding point it’s really the unfolding point right? Anyway, thanks so much for this very clear concept! Has been a breakthrough for me 😀
That’s so great to hear! I’m proud of you and glad it’s working! Also, yes you could call it either, to me: I’m filing the club thru the ball. Thanks!
Dan what does your comment "I'm filing the club through the ball" mean?...does this mean to you that you are flinging the club through the ball with your trail hand down the target line so that your trail palm then starts to face up after impact?
Dan, have you produced a folding point instructional dvd?
Sure have - th-cam.com/video/mUM-iVDfrbE/w-d-xo.html
Oh dvd…no - I think they’re a thing of the past unfortunately
Love your videos Dan. Thank you! Can you do a more videos on putting too? Watched your video on putting and I'm putting so much better. Would love to see more. Thank you!
Coming soon👍🏼
I’ve always called this the pivot point. Same theory though. Good stuff.
Normally I share very good golf video with my playing partners but is this case I'll make an exception. It's a little similar to Steve Pratt. I liked and subscribed of course!
This is akin to the Stan Utley pitching videos methodology applied to the full swing. Pretty good advice especially for senior golfers who need to get more clubspeed with their hands and arms.
Someone mentioned that to me the other day in passing, yes, the clubhead needs its own momentum on it especially bounce shots around the greens ~ the clubhead has to go first! Thanks for the comment, glad it helps!
Makes sence
Great info , my problem is similar I li e the ball in the centre of the club , but hit on the toe of the club
Great vid going to subscribe
FYI another sign of hitting it off the toe is if your irons are too Flat for you. Might need a degree upright or so - the better you get the more a fitting becomes important!
Just to clarify something you're talking about at the very beginning where most instruction to sing to bring the handle through so it's way ahead of the ball they are also twisting the shaft! Collin Morikawa would be a great example of this even if his hands are way ahead he's twisting the shaft to square the face well as his body rotation.
I do find this concept fascinating! To me it almost seems like it would be ideal for driver or longer clubs though. Well I guess it depends on the goal. The reason Pros are in my opinion dramatically delofting or leaning the shaft and twisting the club is to maximize distance. I do see where your concept would be highly effective though as well.
How does the folding point move as the clubs get longer?
This will show you:
th-cam.com/video/mUM-iVDfrbE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DnU7PbL886r3hwAo
Dan, I,ve been shanking for 30 years and have seen at least 10 instructors, and no one could tell me why until I happened on this video and it finally dawned on me, THAT'S MY PROBLEM, I wish I lived closer I would love to take a lesson.
Yes sir, if you release correctly the club will back in toward you and hit the ball! Thanks for your comment and I’m glad it helped!
Great explanation of the way a golf club should release
This honestly is one of the goofiest concepts and I cannot wrap my head around why it works, but i went out and pured the ball like i've never before. Make it make sense haha!
Interesting idea. Will work with it.
one wonders if this is one of the most important yt golf instruction videos, thanks and good luck
Thanks! Hope you’re hitting the ball well!
I'm trying this but I'm topping some of the shorter irons. Any fix for that?
The shorter the club the close the folding point, this will answer your question:
th-cam.com/video/mUM-iVDfrbE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EaAVNFjMc4PdbkX2
Thanks Dan, Mike Malaska is also teaching this. Glad to see someone else bring back natural reactions to golf. Been doing this for a year now and makes the swing much easier to understand.
That’s great to hear! Glad you’re playing so much better. Yes, the body should move because you’re swinging not because you have to swing🙌🏼
This is like the "Malaska move" but much better explained.
Dan how do u start the backswing?
I feel that I’m starting to cut the face into the ball from the top. My left hand bring the handle in (I don’t feel that) and my right hand cuts - that’s my mental image
Great! So now when I hit a great ball and fall back a step I know I’m not doing a wrong move!
Yes!
Wish I could take lessons from this guy. Simple, to the point
Hopefully you can piece it all together with these videos & the more to come, stay tuned! Thanks for your comment..I hope it’s helping!
@@danaltongolfinstruction I’m pretty lucky in that I can pick things up on my own. The probably like most of us, is holding on to the feeling. I wish I could do in person
@@danaltongolfinstruction Dan, is there club face rotation, “feeling”, or Is it a feeling of square to square?
Hi Dan, When Rich Beem won the 2002 pga, I kept seeing this folding point where the ACTION was happening. I wondered what it was about. Now I fully know what Rich was doing! Thanks!
You got it! What was that 2003?! Good memories there. Thanks for the comment!
@@danaltongolfinstruction bemm won 2002, mckeel won 03
@@alanshinny4565 yes! Got them confused! Thanks.
@@danaltongolfinstruction nobiggee but I think you would like watching some of beems swings. I really focused to see what he did. I think the fold was matched up well
I’m impressed really like most golfers I do the same thing your talking about I will be watching your videos
Thank you for your comment - hope it’s helping!
well, it's the point of propulsion that takes a player into the folding point. but, the hands don't make any independent release. the right clavicle turns thru, whilst the left hand presses against the left side of the shaft. obviously, with a full shot, the clavicle can't turn thru from the top. it can only turn thru when the club has started to move back round to the ball. the flexion of the right arm, in the full swing, activates the muscles around the clavicle and enables it to turn thru when the muscles in the left side of the right forearm have become fully activated.
This is very helpful. Thank you!
I was litrally going to comment, this what jack Nicholas was talking about when he said its impossible to release the club to soon...then you said it...😄
Nicholas figured and felt this same release...
This is the video the entire golf industry doesn’t want you to see people
This is one of the best explanations I have ever seen. Mike Malaska also teaches this method. Thank you for sharing.
@Dan Alton be amazing if you could do a vid explaining the folding point specifically and how an average joe can find it on the range without an instructor from Australia
Here you are sir: th-cam.com/video/mUM-iVDfrbE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EHB-FVZO4Gyot2ja
My observations;
1. He stood up about inch or so from the stance to the top of the swing. Not a huge problem, but better if he was level or even a small dip.
2. He waits until his backswing finished at the top before starting his downswing. This is a very common and HUGE problem that plagues nearly all amateurs. His entire body moves together from the top, but what should be happening is the lower body starts rotation BEFORE the backswing is finished. In other words there's no X-factor or upper body/lower body separation.
3. He stands up in the down swing because he has to, otherwise the club would hit well behind the ball. So he ends up flipping at the ball. All the trail elbow and wrist angles are completely lost long before impact.
4. If you freeze the video frame at impact you can see his hips are pointing directly at the ball, instead of being open past the ball.
The hips must be open at impact, the trail side should have some bend to it. Freeze a video of Bobby Jones swing at impact. I would have him immulate that impact in a static position first. Right now he doesn't understand what that even should look like, so he can't immulate it a full swing.