It's one of those things where at this point he doesn't understand the: Special Summoning 5 monsters in a turn is not atypical. If it's one special summon, Maxx C is just a 1-1 card swap, which WOULD make it fine. That's not the modern Yugioh we live in though.
@@RyuFelinshire Magic isn't "one monster per turn" either, though. And wizards has a track record of "oh no, this card lets you draw a bunch of cards, we fucked up, ban it." Not seeing card advantage for free being ban worthy is crazy.
@@Ace5004 It's usually more about the efficiency of the card draw, not the card draw itself. Magic has banned cards that draw a bunch for a low cost and/or are easily repeatable, not just for drawing a lot of cards. Treasure Cruise draws 3, often for a single mana and a bunch of cards in grave; got banned. Enter the Infinite draws your entire deck (usually 40+ cards) before putting one card back and giving you no max hand size for a turn, all for 12 mana; never got banned. I do think CGB could have pieced the clues about Maxx "C" together, but just drawing a lot of cards isn't really a problem in Magic because it is often costed appropriately.
hats off to cimo for having the audacity to lie to this man's face and say "i dunno what you're talking about" while laughing hysterically like the little elf man he is
In fairness, I think he was specifically responding to CGB's implication that there must be some way to loop it, rather than it just being rawly powerful.
@@dr.zoidberg8666 yeah but in MTG you guys have a limiting resource of mana, in YGO everything is basically free (so long as you meet the conditions), so board wipes = free, targeted removal = free, methods to get bigger and stronger monsters = basically free, so the bigger your hand the more things you can do on your turn for free. So, imagine you drew most of your deck and had infinite mana, that is how powerful Maxx C is in YGO. Another thing is unless it's an instant while you have mana in MTG you can't play on your opponent's turn; in YGO you got spells, traps and monsters that can interrupt whatever plan you or your opponent might have
@@armorparade Maxx "C" is a Russian roulette. You can play, but every summon you choose to perform can go off. Nibiru, Lightning Storm, Droplet, even super poly ? You lose. Ash, Ghost belle, Ghost ogre, D/D Crow ? That sucks. Kaiju ? Not your lucky day bro.
With the current knowledge level when he got asked the question, was a sound answer. In pre-2015 Yugioh, you could just not play into it and before like 2013 it was just an ok card. Without knowing that modern decks need to spam summons or you lose, that‘s a spot on assessment.
Pre-2015? Maxx C is insane by at least Synchro era because Maxx C doesn't need to draw 20 cards to be good. If Maxx C draws 2, that is Pot of Greed. And Pot of Greed is banned. Something as simple as I play Junk Synchron trying to go into a synchro leaves you in the position where you let your opponent play pot of greed or leave two vulnerable material on board to be killed. "I draw a card, and you either let me continue drawing cards or stop your turn prematurely" is busted if you end up going 'just' plus 2 or plus 20.
Maxx C would decimate pre-2015 Yugioh, are you insane?? Do you know how many Synchro decks just don't work without special summoning at least three times per turn? All the good ones. Everything past Edison is a special summon spamfest, even high skill Edison with good hands gets up there.
@@EnbyOccultist I mean, it's from pre-2015 Yu-Gi-Oh. We have history to look at. back when it came out in 2011, it was just good. It was the silver bullet to Six samurai's summon-fest, but at the time, most decks weren't doing 15+ step combos. It sat in side decks for the most part for a while. As the game sped up, the card just got better and better until it became the format warper it is today.
That is the being of utmost respoect Sir "C" with his army of other "C"s. Which turns your game to "W" and opponent to "L" but beware of those minions from Dark World often time your "C" will betray you when against them.
"why would they ban a card that makes you draw a bunch of cards" says a man who plays a game that constantly goes "oops, we need to ban this card because it draws a bunch of cards"
Difference being the MTG bans are usually "I do thing, I draw cards". Maxx "C" is "Opponent do thing, I draw cards". Giving your opponent a choice usually makes it pretty meh in MTG, but due to the time scale of a Yu-gi-oh game, the impact of the choice of not playing into Maxx "C" is massively amplified
@@fanusobscurus I think in the full video he didn't realize it was draw a card PER special summon he thought you only got 1 that's why he keeps talking about recursion in getting the card back from the grave.
@@GabrielF39He knew it was per special summon. He just assumed that people only special summoned once or twice per turn. I think he said at one point, "So best case, *maybe* you draw, like, 4 cards? If they play into it?" He had no idea that modern Yugioh is spending 10-15 minutes per turn special summoning 10, or 15, or 30 times, and that if you don't do that, you lose.
I get it. If this card was around in 2004-2010, it would probably barely see play. Like Return From a Different Dimension or Card of Safe Return. Both cards that you can see doing something with in that era, but would only see play in specific rouge strategies. In modern Yugi-Oh they are pretty broken.
Even with a mtg mindset, a free, flash, rhystic study that leaves the board after a turn sounds pretty nuts (yes, casting spells isn't quite the same as special summoning, but at the point where yugioh is now, in most matchups, it basically is).
@@czPetres you can play Maxx "C" whenever you want. And special summons are the lifeblood of the game. Practically speaking, no deck works without it (except maybe for pure stun and Floo, both not very good decks) and most decks need at least 3-4 to achieve any boardpresence whatsoever. [and the yugioh specific perk is, that you just die if you don't establish board presence turn 1]
@@uselesscommon7761 yeah that's true (except for cEDH where it's a mainstay in every combo deck with white). I guess the difference is, that in yugioh basically every deck is a combo deck with a turn 2 wincon.
I hate when they compare that yugioh as no cost to activated effect compare to Magic the gathering, like they don't see discarding maxxC to activated this effect as a cost because it is you have to activated maxxC by discarding itself as a cost.
I feel like you are missing the whole point, almost every card game has cards that are “card goes to graveyard, effect happens” (instants, hand traps/quick effects, sorcery’s, spells, etc). You play the card to have the card in play, which in a sense means every card game the cards are their own resource (and they say that hundreds of times in these episodes btw). What they are referring to is ADDITIONAL costs that aren’t just the card itself because the cards being a resource applies to both games. The mana is the limit to what you can play. If you have 1000 Counter Spell’s in hand in magic, you couldn’t play all of them unless you had infinite blue mana, while if you had 1000 Effect Veiler’s, you could play them all if you wanted to.
I play Yu-Gi-Oh and tried some TCG. And I can assure you that "discarding this card to use this card effect" doesn't count as cost. I mean it costs but when we say cost it means additional cost.
Magic equivalent of Maxx C would be "For every monster played this turn gain 1 colored mana of your choice" Or "For every monster on the field gain 1 colored mana of your choice."
*Western TCG format players. Gotta remember Japan and the other Asian territories never had this banned. It's currently at r2 with 3 other inferior versions running around so they definitely don't care. 😂😂😂
It's seeing stuff like this why I'm glad that I am never alone in thinking this same logic when I first read Maxx C. Or at least for me I didn't realize it's a continuous effect that happens every time once the card has been used. I just thought it applied once since there was nothing telling me it continues to apply.
It's pretty ironic that "everything's free" didn't make him realize why Maxx C is a powerhouse.
It's one of those things where at this point he doesn't understand the: Special Summoning 5 monsters in a turn is not atypical. If it's one special summon, Maxx C is just a 1-1 card swap, which WOULD make it fine. That's not the modern Yugioh we live in though.
@@RyuFelinshire Magic isn't "one monster per turn" either, though.
And wizards has a track record of "oh no, this card lets you draw a bunch of cards, we fucked up, ban it."
Not seeing card advantage for free being ban worthy is crazy.
@@Ace5004Magic isn't free.
@@Ace5004 It's usually more about the efficiency of the card draw, not the card draw itself. Magic has banned cards that draw a bunch for a low cost and/or are easily repeatable, not just for drawing a lot of cards. Treasure Cruise draws 3, often for a single mana and a bunch of cards in grave; got banned. Enter the Infinite draws your entire deck (usually 40+ cards) before putting one card back and giving you no max hand size for a turn, all for 12 mana; never got banned.
I do think CGB could have pieced the clues about Maxx "C" together, but just drawing a lot of cards isn't really a problem in Magic because it is often costed appropriately.
@@MagiRemmiethat's the point? If cheap card draw is banned in mtg for being strong, why would free card draw not be strong.
Catch up buddy.
That Cimoo eyebrow raise sold it for me LOL.
hats off to cimo for having the audacity to lie to this man's face and say "i dunno what you're talking about" while laughing hysterically like the little elf man he is
In fairness, I think he was specifically responding to CGB's implication that there must be some way to loop it, rather than it just being rawly powerful.
"It's just draw a bunch of cards"
YEAH IT IS
😂 ya gotta understand, I've been in a situation playing MTG where I drew my whole deck & then had to ask myself "Okay... but can I even win now?"
@@dr.zoidberg8666 yeah but in MTG you guys have a limiting resource of mana, in YGO everything is basically free (so long as you meet the conditions), so board wipes = free, targeted removal = free, methods to get bigger and stronger monsters = basically free, so the bigger your hand the more things you can do on your turn for free. So, imagine you drew most of your deck and had infinite mana, that is how powerful Maxx C is in YGO.
Another thing is unless it's an instant while you have mana in MTG you can't play on your opponent's turn; in YGO you got spells, traps and monsters that can interrupt whatever plan you or your opponent might have
It's not that Maxx "C" says you CAN'T do this, it specifically says, "I DARE you to do this."
vanity's is throwing the cookie jar off the table entirely
maxx c is flashing the glock on your hip everytime your opponent goes for a cookie
@@armorparade Maxx "C" is a Russian roulette. You can play, but every summon you choose to perform can go off. Nibiru, Lightning Storm, Droplet, even super poly ? You lose. Ash, Ghost belle, Ghost ogre, D/D Crow ? That sucks. Kaiju ? Not your lucky day bro.
With the current knowledge level when he got asked the question, was a sound answer. In pre-2015 Yugioh, you could just not play into it and before like 2013 it was just an ok card.
Without knowing that modern decks need to spam summons or you lose, that‘s a spot on assessment.
Pre-2015? Maxx C is insane by at least Synchro era because Maxx C doesn't need to draw 20 cards to be good. If Maxx C draws 2, that is Pot of Greed. And Pot of Greed is banned.
Something as simple as I play Junk Synchron trying to go into a synchro leaves you in the position where you let your opponent play pot of greed or leave two vulnerable material on board to be killed.
"I draw a card, and you either let me continue drawing cards or stop your turn prematurely" is busted if you end up going 'just' plus 2 or plus 20.
Maxx C would decimate pre-2015 Yugioh, are you insane?? Do you know how many Synchro decks just don't work without special summoning at least three times per turn? All the good ones. Everything past Edison is a special summon spamfest, even high skill Edison with good hands gets up there.
@@EnbyOccultist I mean, it's from pre-2015 Yu-Gi-Oh. We have history to look at. back when it came out in 2011, it was just good. It was the silver bullet to Six samurai's summon-fest, but at the time, most decks weren't doing 15+ step combos. It sat in side decks for the most part for a while. As the game sped up, the card just got better and better until it became the format warper it is today.
In his defense at this point he had like mid synchro early XYZ era knowledge which was when Maxx C was a sideboard card.
That is the being of utmost respoect Sir "C" with his army of other "C"s. Which turns your game to "W" and opponent to "L" but beware of those minions from Dark World often time your "C" will betray you when against them.
And there's gonna be many "F"s in the chat when that happens.
@@faereman F's in the chat is when you play it against trickstar.
"why would they ban a card that makes you draw a bunch of cards" says a man who plays a game that constantly goes "oops, we need to ban this card because it draws a bunch of cards"
Difference being the MTG bans are usually "I do thing, I draw cards". Maxx "C" is "Opponent do thing, I draw cards". Giving your opponent a choice usually makes it pretty meh in MTG, but due to the time scale of a Yu-gi-oh game, the impact of the choice of not playing into Maxx "C" is massively amplified
@@shadowfate05plus, I don't think he realized basicly EVERYBODY has free cast instant counterspells with split seccond, to use MTG terms.
@@fanusobscurus I think in the full video he didn't realize it was draw a card PER special summon he thought you only got 1 that's why he keeps talking about recursion in getting the card back from the grave.
@@GabrielF39He knew it was per special summon. He just assumed that people only special summoned once or twice per turn. I think he said at one point, "So best case, *maybe* you draw, like, 4 cards? If they play into it?" He had no idea that modern Yugioh is spending 10-15 minutes per turn special summoning 10, or 15, or 30 times, and that if you don't do that, you lose.
CGB is just the goat. Most entertaining guest ever. 😅
I get it. If this card was around in 2004-2010, it would probably barely see play. Like Return From a Different Dimension or Card of Safe Return. Both cards that you can see doing something with in that era, but would only see play in specific rouge strategies. In modern Yugi-Oh they are pretty broken.
lmao the eyebrow bro 😂, gws btw
Should have added the last where cimooooooo was thinking about getting maxx c multiple times in the same round
Even with a mtg mindset, a free, flash, rhystic study that leaves the board after a turn sounds pretty nuts (yes, casting spells isn't quite the same as special summoning, but at the point where yugioh is now, in most matchups, it basically is).
Silence was never a particularly nutty card.
More like zero cost instant you can cast only during upkeep that lets you draw 1 card if opponent does something specific.
@@czPetres you can play Maxx "C" whenever you want. And special summons are the lifeblood of the game. Practically speaking, no deck works without it (except maybe for pure stun and Floo, both not very good decks) and most decks need at least 3-4 to achieve any boardpresence whatsoever. [and the yugioh specific perk is, that you just die if you don't establish board presence turn 1]
@@Lynn3011 Ok you can cast it whenever but it would not draw you card with the spell already on stack. It would be in sideboard at best.
@@uselesscommon7761 yeah that's true (except for cEDH where it's a mainstay in every combo deck with white). I guess the difference is, that in yugioh basically every deck is a combo deck with a turn 2 wincon.
So he hasn't heard of Mystic Remora, then?
You mean the card that is legal in legacy and sees basically no play?
How can any magic player look at this and not immediately think of rhystic study, smothering tithe or mystic remora, all of which are highly hated.
>you're only going to get one
I literally got decked out by a Dark World player the other day. Dude summoned 35 times.
Imo everyone that plays Maxx C should be decking out of it
[Dismissively:] "It's 'Draw a bunch of cards.'"
Who is this man and how many minutes ago did he learn how to play Magic?
Translation: you have a 0 cost rhystic study and every oponent you play against plays storm how broken is the rhystic study in that situation.
I mean, in the OCG and MD he's not *wrong*
"It's just draw a bunch of cards."
Is there any card game, except maybe UNO, where drawing a lot of cards ISN'T OP?
In 2/3rd of all the legal formats it Isn't
Cant read the cards cos your freaking shop button is in the way
😂
I hate when they compare that yugioh as no cost to activated effect compare to Magic the gathering, like they don't see discarding maxxC to activated this effect as a cost because it is you have to activated maxxC by discarding itself as a cost.
I feel like you are missing the whole point, almost every card game has cards that are “card goes to graveyard, effect happens” (instants, hand traps/quick effects, sorcery’s, spells, etc). You play the card to have the card in play, which in a sense means every card game the cards are their own resource (and they say that hundreds of times in these episodes btw).
What they are referring to is ADDITIONAL costs that aren’t just the card itself because the cards being a resource applies to both games. The mana is the limit to what you can play. If you have 1000 Counter Spell’s in hand in magic, you couldn’t play all of them unless you had infinite blue mana, while if you had 1000 Effect Veiler’s, you could play them all if you wanted to.
I play Yu-Gi-Oh and tried some TCG. And I can assure you that "discarding this card to use this card effect" doesn't count as cost.
I mean it costs but when we say cost it means additional cost.
Magic equivalent of Maxx C would be "For every monster played this turn gain 1 colored mana of your choice" Or "For every monster on the field gain 1 colored mana of your choice."
I'm gonna go grab 3 copies of Maxx c to slap my friend's with
He's completely correct, we yugioh players complain over nothing
*Western TCG format players. Gotta remember Japan and the other Asian territories never had this banned. It's currently at r2 with 3 other inferior versions running around so they definitely don't care. 😂😂😂
I love how every non-yugioh player recognizes how unproblematic Maxx can is while Maxx c makes tcg players loose their shit.
It's seeing stuff like this why I'm glad that I am never alone in thinking this same logic when I first read Maxx C. Or at least for me I didn't realize it's a continuous effect that happens every time once the card has been used. I just thought it applied once since there was nothing telling me it continues to apply.
"This turn EACH time your opponent special summons a monster(s), draw 1 card." Reading comprehension is hard I guess.
@GabrielF39 To be fair yeah this was before I realized that Yu-Gi-Oh is all about reading every single word on a card which in turn affects the card.
@@DarknessDpa "This turn" is what tells you it's always active.
@@SilasWolfe Yeah Yeah, this was way before I knew Yu-Gi-Oh was complex because it takes every word on a card to mean something.
Just dont play into maxx c