The Rewatch Crew is my new favorite trilogy - love that you guys all respectfully chip in, everyone has something interesting to say and everyone's having fun. Kristian knows how to pick em!
There's a lot of nitpicking here when it comes to Peter Parker. He's obviously supposed to be unlikable at the beginning because the movie is about the dangers of ego and arrogance. Spiderman has been shit on for pretty much the entire past two movies, so when he finally gains popularity from the masses, he abuses his power and goes overboard. That's the lesson he has to learn in order to be the true hero again by the end of the movie when he puts on red and blue suit. I appreciate the fact that in each film, Raimi actually gives Peter a different set of internal obstacles to overcome.
spiderman 3 gets a lot of hate for no reason..its not suppose to be likeable..its meant to make you feel gross and sad..its not that confusing or unfocused its just a bit bloated which is fine for me cause as an end to a trilogy it has to tie up loose ends and i enjoy all the storylines...bring it on....likeability is subjective and pointless to aim for...spiderman does not need to be what you want him to be or how he is 100% in the comics...its a different medium guys....i hate how people hate on spiderman 3 because its popular to do so..i enjoy the goofy sequences cheese and hokey acting that was in the first and second film too..the amnesia plotline is cliche but on its own it works if you are not bored with the trope and seen it like I have in so many other mediums..for kids it works i am sure...the sandman killing uncle ben retroactively with no hints prior in the other films thing is the one major flaw i have with it...not a fan of that choice...but thats a nitpick too honestly..it works for some people to make them hate sandman and make peter's anger make more sense...and tie the films together...i get why they did it just not a personal fan of that choice without any prior seeds planted...feels forced to get me to care and emote again over unlce ben...its a bit manipulative...
It really seems like certain audience members just don't jive with seeing their heroes struggle internally. You see the exact same reaction with other movies, such as The Dark Knight Rises, The Last Jedi, etc. where people go "that's not Peter Parker! That's not Batman! That's not Luke Skywalker!" when they are being portrayed, intentionally, as flawed. These fans will never admit that of course, but there's certainly no coincidence that every time a mythological character is knocked down a peg, the film gets heavily criticized. To say they are just "unlikable" accepts the premise that your main character should be likable at all times, and going somewhere dark or disturbing is out of bounds. If you look at the reactions to the scene where Peter's dancing and he's all emo/douchey, fans are like "oh it's so cringey!", but it's like "yeah, that's the whole point! It's supposed to be" If look at the extras in the scene, they are all cringing as he's dancing. Now of course, people who don't jive with this kind of story telling will find other reasons to justify why they don't like it, but there is no doubt some truth to what I'm saying that for some people, they just want to see their heroes be heroic, and when they aren't, they think "I don't like that Peter is being this way, this is a flaw with the movie" ... Like when Coy is listing Peter's arrogance and his ego and going "that's not Peter Parker", I don't think that's a valid criticism. Any character is susceptible to these flaws, and just because it doesn't make you feel good doesn't mean that it's a flaw with the film. A flaw with your favourite character does not equate to a flaw with the film.
I can feel your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger. Jokes aside, I freakin love the discussion from all the different movie recaps. Keep up the awesome work!
The symbiote doesn't make Peter a dick. Hes already egoistical by the first scene when hes watching himself on TV. The symbiote only heightens his ego. So the upside down kiss with Gwen makes perfect sense. His fame has clouded his judgement.
Tobey is a great spider man ,and he is rude to everyone after he gets the symbiote so i cant agree with coy lol Tobey's spider man was always a good person, and by the 3rd film sam wanted spider man to be full of himself cause the city loves him now so it would make sense after years of being spider man he would be kind of cocky
@@TheKristianHarloff he's the best perter parker i think,and i really appreciate this 3rd one cause it gave birth to Bully Maguire and ill give it a pass for that lol
Great episode as always fellas! You guys are filling an IG Show-sized hole in my weekly listening, and it’s been great. Cant wait to finish out the Spiders-Men films and move on to other franchises. Keep up the great work!
This has been such a fun hilarious watch. The Kinda Funny gents are also doing a spider man rewatch and it's a trip to hear y'all's respective goofy insightful takes. Coy + Winston + Kristian is a dynamite combo. Much love all!
Loved this! Both Winston and Coy absolutely brought it. And I'm 100% in agreement with Coy regarding the Venom on the Island story. This was one of the most iconic Spider-Man comic books and even more than 20 years later, I remember reading the book and not being able to put it down. Also, Venom was SCARY in those comic books. You kinda feared for Peter's life. I do not believe they ever managed to translate that to the big screen. P.S.: This is also why I have such a hard time with the new Venom movies... one of THE defining factors about Venom is that he is THE nemesis of Spider-Man (in a different way than the Green Goblin - GG is more about psychologically torturing Peter whereas Venom knows everything about him including his secret identity and he is physically far more intimidating) and they just completely left that out... :-(
Would love to see a whole MCU and Batman rewatch series, but that requires a huge commitment. But I really hope you keep doing in-depth analysis of all the Star Wars series coming out.
I really appreciated the moment Kristian brought up the _"bombardment"_ of the way he was doing the *SEN Channel.* It was a problem, and I'm so glad I can leave the notifications on with this one.
I think the 6 will be Tobey’s Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, and Andrew’s Lizard, Electro, and Rhyno. Vulture is in Morbius so I don’t think he is going to be in this other than a cameo
I almost walked out of Spider-Man 3. In the movie theatre, I was like “What the actual fu$k! What the hell is going on? Is this a parody?” I was disgusted and angry. I just can’t watch this movie ever again. Hats off to you guys for enduring this again.
I don’t get the hate for the Butler scene. It’s obvious from the ending of the first movie that Norman didn’t want Harry to find out at all. Peter doesn’t tell Harry until after he tries to kill him with Goblin equipment. The Butler doesn’t tell Harry until after he finds Harry in Norman’s lair. Anyway, there’s an Editor’s Cut (actually slightly better than the Theatrical Version) that removes and replaces the scene with Harry looking at an old cracked photo of him, Peter and Mary Jane.
Ngl, I know it would take so much more time and effort and life is more crazier for you all now than it was in 2016, but I would love The Big Thing commentaries with this crew! I do love getting to hear your in depth thoughts after too, but getting to watch along with you 3 would remind me of the days I got to watch along with the boys back in the day 💯
Just watched spider man 3 with my son last week - his first time seeing. Thought I’d check this out - 40:27 The butler Bernard is played by John Paxton - father of Bill Paxton ! So he is indeed someone’s (famous actor) Dad. Really funny he says why is he in this movie ? He must be someone’s Dad lolll
Hey kristian, I like following your content and hope it continues to grow, I think that's why were here on earth, to evolve and be passionate about what we are involved with
Everyone's feelings on the movies are everyone's feelings, but man, does everyone sound harsher on Tobey Spiderman than I recall. I know the third has been universally panned, but maybe the pendulum swung to the love side so much b/c people really wanted a Spiderman movie and, now, 20 years later, people are looking at it less through rose tinted glasses (as Koy said). Also, as a person who sees Koy as this cheerful, love-filled individual just blasting Maguire makes me think he's more Bruce Banner than some love filled weight lifting, comic book loving dude. Koy Smash!
spiderman 3 was like the highest grossing film of the year and top 2-3 most profitable film of 2007 even considering its massive budget and marketing so....it made money at least...if nothing else
Wow this movie holds up a lot better than I remember. Maybe watching as an older adult I can see and understand the change in Peter a lot clearer. Yeah the dancing is still goofy but you just have to know it's black suit Spider-Man manipulation. Thanks for these rewatches...hey because of you guys it's got me pulling older DVDs off the shelf for another look. Definitely looking forward to revisiting some Batman movies too!
Sorry for the hot take but for me Tobey is my least favorite Spiderman and/or Peter Parker. And that was my Spiderman. Went to the theatre for the first two... the third I just didn't bother. Don't get me wrong I really like both the first and second movies, I love parts of both of them but after seeing Garfield and Holland I much prefer them.
TBT - Great Rewatch, I LMFAO and forgot what the heck what was the topic of the podcast, then you kindly reminded us of the actual rematch of Spider-Man! Tom Holland is my personal favorite! Many Thanks Coy, Kristian and Winston!
I really like this format of rewatching movies. Kristian, Coy, and Winston have had some really strong insight into the Raimi trilogy. I really do need to go back and watch them again. That said, my old roommate told me that the novelization really fixed a lot of the problems. One of these days I'm gonna find a used copy and find out for myself. PS: Any chance the Rewatch crew (or another group on SEN can watch some werewolf movies to prep for the Blumhouse WolfMan movie?
After watching Peter doing that walking dancing montage he must have been high or was wearing beer glasses because those woman looking at him like he was a joke. The funny part about that moment in the movie it's now apart of the MCU haha
Its crazy at one point in my life this was the biggest movie event of my movie life lol. this movie had so much hype behind this and the dark knight was kind of the shift of hype for comic book movies . I just remember the teaser of Tobey in the black suit and being hyped as hell.
i unironically think spiderman 3 is almost as enjoyable as spiderman 2 endgame and dark knight...i actually think its good like a 7.4 while those other films i listed are between 7.6-7.8 but hey whatever...my takes on those popular films is they are just ok...not amazing...even infinity war is like at best a 8.3 mostly for its set up in other films like civil war paying off finally....which is hard to execute so props for that but to think i would only give it like 1 point higher than spiderman 3 makes people think my tastes suck..so....maybe i am an idiot
I like Coy's idea for the MCU Spidey episodes you should do that! Also you missed one other consistent thing besides Jameson and Elfman...Campbell's cameos(granted the first one is overshadowed by Randy Savage's Bonesaw but still)!
Sorry I'm late to this. Though I'm avoiding the trailer at all costs. I don’t think the Sinister Six will show up just yet. The groundwork could be laid out and maybe they’ll form at the end. But my predictions for who will be part of it is the three given: Electro, Doc Ock, Green Goblin (I’m going with DeHaan instead of Dafoe. I think Scorpion because we see him at the end of Homecoming. Shocker could still be around too. If Vulture will be part of it, I think he will end up helping Peter at some point and betray the Sinister Six.
What's even more shocking is this movie was the highest grossing Toby-Spider-Man film in the series! Do you think Rami 4 could have happened if this was received well?
I think if Raimi had had a better experience making 3, as well as the critical response being higher, a 4th would’ve happened. Sony really screwed the pooch with how much they stepped in on 3
@@scottelement I meant shocking in retrospect.at the time I remember the hype for this film and that's no shock. but looking that it made even more than other Spiderman movies is what blows my mind.
I actually think Koy's theory on the next Spidey film is interesting. I think it'd be a shot at doing something really out of the box and potentially fun.
The only redeeming quality about Spiderman 3 is the end scene where Harry dies and the score kicks in. The movie is filled with obnoxious overracting and downright weird character choices but this also has a theme of the superhero life consuming you towards the negative side.
Woke up to this playing on my phone and had to start fresh. I think No Way Home has the chance to strengthen some of Sony's past Spider-Man movies. Kind of like the Marvel shows have made some of weaker MCU films better. Time to watch the Amazing Spider-Man revisit
I just don't see this movie the same way that so many other people do. The whole premise of "three villains, Goblin, Sandman, Venom is too much going on" is just not something that even registers with me. Why? Because it's not that black and white. I know the MCU has made comic book movies that, basically just "here is the good guy, here is the bad guy, they will both get a half baked back story and fight at the end" but that's not what Spider-Man 3 is doing. The villains are just extensions of storylines that were present in all the films, so why is it too much now because they sorta appear like villains? The main villain is Sandman. He drives the plot and story forward. It doesn't need to be that confusing. Goblin? That's just an extension of Harry and Peter's relationship that we've seen in the two previous movies, and it handles it fairly well. I agree that the bump on the head was a little convenient, and how Harry gets the information on how his father died seemed a little rushed, but the overall broad strokes? It was an emotional way to conclude that arc imo. As for Venom? Venom is just an extension of the fact that the real villain in the movie is himself, and that's what he needs to overcome. That's why the Eddie Brock stuff doesn't matter all that much, or the fact that he just shows up at the end. Venom is just an avatar for Peter's inner demons. None of these villains necessarily stand on their own and would be able to carry the film imo. Sandman is great, but he couldn't live up to the previous two villains. But when you have Sandman, Venom, Goblin and Peter all fighting at the end of the movie, it works for me. I think this film is a showcase of pure talent in Sam Raimi as a filmmaker. It is a flawed film, and I know Sam Raimi is particularily hard on himself for it, but I think ultimately his talent shines through so much that he was able to make an unideal circumstance of a battle with the studio actually work because he is just a fundamentally good story teller who can find the humanity in anything. Even with some of the silly stuff with the characters that's a little dated now, the core relationships with Peter, Mary Jane, Harry, and Aunt May really work. They have heart. The new Marvel movies just don't have that.
I think Bernard only learnt that Harry is the Goblin in Spider-Man 3, and through this information, pieced together that Norman was The Green Goblin, hence him only telling Harry about his father's situation at that time. Now, this whole scenario is definitely deserving of elaboration and detail, and that's indeed a fault of the film handling too much. I'm surprised you guys didn't mention how Eddie somehow knows about Sandman's daughter and the reason he's robbing banks. That whole scene is off actually - The way Sandman just chucks Venom away and keeps walking forward nonchalantly, with an attitude of "Woah! Not who I was looking for!... Anyhoo, I'll just keep moving along and getting on with my own business. Good day alien or hyena monster".
I HATED the sandman killing Ben thing bc to me it takes away what made Peter spiderman to begin with which was this random robber he didn't know he let him go and didn't stop him when he could of then Ben gets shot that same guy so Peter feels responsible and decides to use his powers to save people... Making It actually sandman takes that away bc he shot him before that guy peter let go got outside so even if he did stop that guy Ben would of still died.. the og way had Peter dealing with essentially killing Ben bc he could of stopped the robber and didn't
Putting this here so I can come back in December to say I was right about the sinister 6 (if in this movie) will only be set up for the last film Tom has as spiderman.
I used to not like Spider-Man 3 when I was younger, now I came to appreciate it a lot more. I don’t think it’s a great movie and it’s nowhere near as good as 1 & especially 2 (The 2nd one is my favorite superhero movie ever), but when I hear people say it’s one of the worst superhero movies ever made, I think it’s kinda undeserved as despite its flaws there are great stuff in here (Like the action sequences, the Birth of the Sandman, most of the performances were really good and it still has fun and charm of the first 2) and even the stuff that people crap on like Emo Peter I just found to be really funny, and not in an unintentional way. And the casting of Topher Grace, I actually liked him as Eddie Brock as he tried to play like if he was mirror version of Peter who lacked all of the morals, as Venom he’s too over the top and feels like he’s in a different movie. And I love the overall theme of forgiveness, egotism and revenge throughout. I do wish Sony and Avi Arad would’ve backed off and let Raimi do the movie he wanted, but I thought he still did the best he could and ended with IMO a decent conclusion, though I did wish we had Spider-Man 4.
This was so good. I love the review. Makes the 3rd movie more tolerable lol. To me Spider-Man 3 and Superman 3 are the best superhero comedies alive lol. There that bad, but sooo funny lol. That’s how I see both those movies lol.
Sandman and Gwen Stacy are my only redeeming moments in this movie. Thomas Haden Church is up there with Dafoe & Molina as a fantastic & emotional villain. And Bryce Dallas Howard is my first film crush in this movie as Gwen. Did she have much to do, no, but I loved her every second she was on screen. Meh movie but entertaining as hell
@@TheKristianHarloff i actually think venom and sandman work well..its harry who ruins spiderman 3...and mary jane...they really annoy me this film....their subplots should of been left for a 4th film that may never have came but who cares...3 should of focused more on venom and sandman..period...
Wow I have seen this movie a million times and never thought about the obvious J. Jonah “I don’t like you bc your gf left my son at the aisle” thing. That would have been good dramatic threading from 2 and better texture. The way this movie starts wih “It’s great to be spider-man now and I’m a cocky happy guy now that MJ is with me”. Never worked for me. First of many problems lol.
MJ boyfriend was an astronaut. It made no sense to me Why Sony or Sam Raimi didn't use that character to bring venom. From outter to earth venom falling from the sky made no sense.
Marvel needs to cast Kristian as Zebediah Stane who's anger at the death of his brother has nowhere to be directed with Tony gone so tries to take it out on anyone who's related to Stark and Stark Industries.
I don’t put the blame on Sam Raimi at all for what happened with Spider-Man 3. He went through hell with Avi Arab pushing for Venom to be in this movie
I made a comment on your SM-2 review before I saw this one...but thank you for addressing how horrible MJ is, and how terrible the Peter/MJ relationship is. It's another reason I don't like most of the Raimi trilogy, because again as you say, so much of it is devoted to this relationship, and outside of the first one's iconic kiss, the rest of the time it's a time/energy/storyline suck.
Hey Kristan I saw a video about how this guy would redo Spider-Man 3 and I wanna get your thought... he was saying pretty much just use venom but instead of throwing Brock in there have the symbiote attach itself to Harry Osborn.. think about it through 2 movies you build Harry hates peter and in the second one he finds out that peter is Spider-Man who killed his dad you have the symbiote take him over the edge then at the end right before venom can kill Spider-Man Harry fights him off and sacrifices himself to kill venom I think it would be the perfect ending of the Harry and peter story
@@TheKristianHarloff I gotta give credit to the guy I watch that seemed like a great way to end the Harry and Peter story with a great heroic sacrifice
I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually dug Spider-Man 3. I understand the criticisms, though. I personally found the scene when Peter's dancing around and trying to charm women on the street to be hysterical lol. I couldn't help but just be embarrassed for him lol.
I loved this film back in the day and I still enjoy the movie to a certain extent, but definitely one of the weakest spiderman films. Harry Osborn and Sandman were the best characters in this sequel and great video Kristian!
Spider-Man 3 is a wreck but I can still enjoy it. Still, a very disappointing follow up to 2 and unfortunate finale to Raimi’s trilogy. Hoping for more Tobey come No Way Home! Great discussion guys.
Sorry to dissapoint you Kristian. Christopher Young did the score for this one. Edit: It's a shame that you guys didn't mention the best scene from the movie. (Birth of Sandman)
Part of me hopes Tobey and Andrew are nowhere to be found in No Way Home just so people can get a lesson in overhyping things. The expectations getting put on this movie are getting out of hand.
@@TheKristianHarloff of course I’m gonna be super excited in the theatre if it happens. The whole thing is just starting to feel like we’re baiting ourselves :(
This film came out when I was 9 and I watched it a ton on DVD when I was a kid. So I've always liked the film. Re-visiting it all these years later my take away was that I still enjoyed watching the film but fucking hell is the screenplay is a botch job. I echo the thoughts of you guys that there was a great film in there but the studio's influence completely ruined it. Sandman and Green Goblin Jr. just being the villians would have been so much better! I never realised how much of a loser Tobey is in these films till I you guys pointed it out in these videos but it was really apparent in this film! Also the dumb and dumber review from a few years back is one of my favourite videos you've ever posted, I occasionally go back and watch that one 😄[insert ellis scream here]
Haha thank you, loved that review as well. Keep checking this channel out, lots of fun stuff coming up. Thank you for your comment on this one and yeah I agree that the tone of script was all over the place.
Plenty of people defend this movie and while i don't quite understand why in this case, i do the same thing. I will defend The Last Jedi to the end and i also quite enjoy TASM2 and the Star Wars prequels. The only objectively awful comic book movies are Electra, Venom, Batman+Robin, and Joker. Even then, i would prefer Electra. SM3 is very akin to the Star Wars prequels-definitely not a good film but still fun to watch. Both SM3 and TASM2 are showcases for what a horribly run studio Sony Pictures is. For crying out loud, SM1 and 2 made tons of cash and were intensely loved and yet they suddenly felt the need to interfere and screw up what was clearly working well?! TASM 2 was Sony wanting to rush an MCU of their own. That's 2 times in only 5 years they shot themselves in the neck with idiocy and greed. At this point, Marvel just needs to buy out the Spidey universe rights from Sony. Venom sucked so bad both times it was pushed by Sony, rather than by the storytellers.
You guys are too hard on Bully Spider-Man. Yeah he looks like a dork, Peter Parker is a dork and his idea of being a bad boy is stupid as hell. I thought that was the point lol.
Y'all should go through the whole MCU. Really enjoying this crew
Couldn’t agree more. Batman movies leading up to The Batman maybe?
Yesss that would be amazing
I like this idea
Would love these guys to do the Batman movies and/or the MCU
We are going to do Batman movies for sure. MCU will be too much to do.
The Rewatch Crew is my new favorite trilogy - love that you guys all respectfully chip in, everyone has something interesting to say and everyone's having fun. Kristian knows how to pick em!
Thank you!
There's a lot of nitpicking here when it comes to Peter Parker. He's obviously supposed to be unlikable at the beginning because the movie is about the dangers of ego and arrogance. Spiderman has been shit on for pretty much the entire past two movies, so when he finally gains popularity from the masses, he abuses his power and goes overboard. That's the lesson he has to learn in order to be the true hero again by the end of the movie when he puts on red and blue suit. I appreciate the fact that in each film, Raimi actually gives Peter a different set of internal obstacles to overcome.
Hey fair enough. There is a lot that works but not sure about nitpicky but just observations.
You can sugarcoat all you want. This movie was pure crap
@@HARLEMHEFNER All Wrong, it's Underrated
spiderman 3 gets a lot of hate for no reason..its not suppose to be likeable..its meant to make you feel gross and sad..its not that confusing or unfocused its just a bit bloated which is fine for me cause as an end to a trilogy it has to tie up loose ends and i enjoy all the storylines...bring it on....likeability is subjective and pointless to aim for...spiderman does not need to be what you want him to be or how he is 100% in the comics...its a different medium guys....i hate how people hate on spiderman 3 because its popular to do so..i enjoy the goofy sequences cheese and hokey acting that was in the first and second film too..the amnesia plotline is cliche but on its own it works if you are not bored with the trope and seen it like I have in so many other mediums..for kids it works i am sure...the sandman killing uncle ben retroactively with no hints prior in the other films thing is the one major flaw i have with it...not a fan of that choice...but thats a nitpick too honestly..it works for some people to make them hate sandman and make peter's anger make more sense...and tie the films together...i get why they did it just not a personal fan of that choice without any prior seeds planted...feels forced to get me to care and emote again over unlce ben...its a bit manipulative...
It really seems like certain audience members just don't jive with seeing their heroes struggle internally. You see the exact same reaction with other movies, such as The Dark Knight Rises, The Last Jedi, etc. where people go "that's not Peter Parker! That's not Batman! That's not Luke Skywalker!" when they are being portrayed, intentionally, as flawed. These fans will never admit that of course, but there's certainly no coincidence that every time a mythological character is knocked down a peg, the film gets heavily criticized. To say they are just "unlikable" accepts the premise that your main character should be likable at all times, and going somewhere dark or disturbing is out of bounds. If you look at the reactions to the scene where Peter's dancing and he's all emo/douchey, fans are like "oh it's so cringey!", but it's like "yeah, that's the whole point! It's supposed to be" If look at the extras in the scene, they are all cringing as he's dancing. Now of course, people who don't jive with this kind of story telling will find other reasons to justify why they don't like it, but there is no doubt some truth to what I'm saying that for some people, they just want to see their heroes be heroic, and when they aren't, they think "I don't like that Peter is being this way, this is a flaw with the movie" ... Like when Coy is listing Peter's arrogance and his ego and going "that's not Peter Parker", I don't think that's a valid criticism. Any character is susceptible to these flaws, and just because it doesn't make you feel good doesn't mean that it's a flaw with the film. A flaw with your favourite character does not equate to a flaw with the film.
I can feel your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger.
Jokes aside, I freakin love the discussion from all the different movie recaps. Keep up the awesome work!
Haha thank you!
Coy has forgotten more about Marvel than most of us will ever know. So happy to see you guys do these rewatches
This is facts
The butler was Bill Paxton’s dad. I’m going to live in the mindset that’s the only reason they gave him any dialogue.
Probably
The symbiote doesn't make Peter a dick. Hes already egoistical by the first scene when hes watching himself on TV. The symbiote only heightens his ego. So the upside down kiss with Gwen makes perfect sense. His fame has clouded his judgement.
Even worse.
Tobey is a great spider man ,and he is rude to everyone after he gets the symbiote so i cant agree with coy lol Tobey's spider man was always a good person, and by the 3rd film sam wanted spider man to be full of himself cause the city loves him now so it would make sense after years of being spider man he would be kind of cocky
Some peeps don't love Tobey and others swear by him!
@@TheKristianHarloff he's the best perter parker i think,and i really appreciate this 3rd one cause it gave birth to Bully Maguire and ill give it a pass for that lol
Hoping we see more and more from this crew, enjoying these rewatches and the conversations along with it 😂
You will! Going to do Spider-Man, Matrix and Batman rewatches!
“The Butler, who’s dad is that?!” That’s Bill Paxton’s dad.
Well there you go.
Keep this going even after Spiderman: Far From Home! I enjoy these breakdowns!
We will!
Danny Elfman did not do the music for this one. Rami and him had a felling out after 2. Christopher Young should get the credit for the score.
Yes, forgot that.
Great episode as always fellas! You guys are filling an IG Show-sized hole in my weekly listening, and it’s been great. Cant wait to finish out the Spiders-Men films and move on to other franchises. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for listening
This has been such a fun hilarious watch. The Kinda Funny gents are also doing a spider man rewatch and it's a trip to hear y'all's respective goofy insightful takes. Coy + Winston + Kristian is a dynamite combo. Much love all!
Thank you for checking it out!
SEN presents:
The Roast of Spider-Man 3
Loved today’s episode!😂
Hahaha
Surprisingly timely : this mornings Empire (for December) has Sandman on it, like I hoped/theorized!
You did great pal, haha
Loved this! Both Winston and Coy absolutely brought it. And I'm 100% in agreement with Coy regarding the Venom on the Island story. This was one of the most iconic Spider-Man comic books and even more than 20 years later, I remember reading the book and not being able to put it down. Also, Venom was SCARY in those comic books. You kinda feared for Peter's life. I do not believe they ever managed to translate that to the big screen.
P.S.: This is also why I have such a hard time with the new Venom movies... one of THE defining factors about Venom is that he is THE nemesis of Spider-Man (in a different way than the Green Goblin - GG is more about psychologically torturing Peter whereas Venom knows everything about him including his secret identity and he is physically far more intimidating) and they just completely left that out... :-(
Winston and Coy brought it! (Me looking around like John Travolta)
@@TheKristianHarloff You always bring it, Kristian! ^^
I thought we didn't have to mention that anymore. :P
You guys are crushing these rewatches!!! Love this crew😄
Thank you!
Would love to see a whole MCU and Batman rewatch series, but that requires a huge commitment. But I really hope you keep doing in-depth analysis of all the Star Wars series coming out.
Batman more likely.
I really appreciated the moment Kristian brought up the _"bombardment"_ of the way he was doing the *SEN Channel.* It was a problem, and I'm so glad I can leave the notifications on with this one.
No problem! Thank you!
I think the 6 will be Tobey’s Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, and Andrew’s Lizard, Electro, and Rhyno. Vulture is in Morbius so I don’t think he is going to be in this other than a cameo
Good guesses.
I almost walked out of Spider-Man 3. In the movie theatre, I was like “What the actual fu$k! What the hell is going on? Is this a parody?” I was disgusted and angry. I just can’t watch this movie ever again. Hats off to you guys for enduring this again.
That thumbnail tho :D....a new look for Kristian on the horizon.....
My stache is better than Wahlberg in Uncharted!
I don’t get the hate for the Butler scene. It’s obvious from the ending of the first movie that Norman didn’t want Harry to find out at all. Peter doesn’t tell Harry until after he tries to kill him with Goblin equipment. The Butler doesn’t tell Harry until after he finds Harry in Norman’s lair. Anyway, there’s an Editor’s Cut (actually slightly better than the Theatrical Version) that removes and replaces the scene with Harry looking at an old cracked photo of him, Peter and Mary Jane.
Yeah there is just a lot of mess.
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Thank you!
Ngl, I know it would take so much more time and effort and life is more crazier for you all now than it was in 2016, but I would love The Big Thing commentaries with this crew! I do love getting to hear your in depth thoughts after too, but getting to watch along with you 3 would remind me of the days I got to watch along with the boys back in the day 💯
Well thank you!
Kristian's segues into ads are amazing.
Well thank you
Y’all should rewatch Rumble in the Bronx. I would love your thoughts on his films. Love these rewatches
I went through so many VHS copies of that flick
Ha thanks!
Just watched spider man 3 with my son last week - his first time seeing. Thought I’d check this out -
40:27 The butler Bernard is played by John Paxton - father of Bill Paxton ! So he is indeed someone’s (famous actor) Dad. Really funny he says why is he in this movie ? He must be someone’s Dad lolll
It's bothered me for years that she gleefully leaves a seemingly very nice guy at the alter. Great episode again!
Thank you William!
There reasoning for not going with a matte black. Spider-Man suit was because it looked to S&M bondage. Sony and Sam Raimi didn't like early designs
Fair
Hey kristian, I like following your content and hope it continues to grow, I think that's why were here on earth, to evolve and be passionate about what we are involved with
Well thank you kindly Nico. Very happy everyone has been responding to the new channel!
Everyone's feelings on the movies are everyone's feelings, but man, does everyone sound harsher on Tobey Spiderman than I recall. I know the third has been universally panned, but maybe the pendulum swung to the love side so much b/c people really wanted a Spiderman movie and, now, 20 years later, people are looking at it less through rose tinted glasses (as Koy said).
Also, as a person who sees Koy as this cheerful, love-filled individual just blasting Maguire makes me think he's more Bruce Banner than some love filled weight lifting, comic book loving dude. Koy Smash!
Haha good point with Coy! Haha
spiderman 3 was like the highest grossing film of the year and top 2-3 most profitable film of 2007 even considering its massive budget and marketing so....it made money at least...if nothing else
The butler was actor Bill Paxton's dad.
Yup
The butler is played by John Paxton.He was Bill Paxton's father.
Yeah so I have now been informed!
Wow this movie holds up a lot better than I remember. Maybe watching as an older adult I can see and understand the change in Peter a lot clearer. Yeah the dancing is still goofy but you just have to know it's black suit Spider-Man manipulation. Thanks for these rewatches...hey because of you guys it's got me pulling older DVDs off the shelf for another look. Definitely looking forward to revisiting some Batman movies too!
Thank you and yeah not as bad as I remembered, but still not good haha
Thank you guys for rewatching this movie so we didn’t have to. 🙏🏽
Ha ha. You’re welcome!
Sorry for the hot take but for me Tobey is my least favorite Spiderman and/or Peter Parker. And that was my Spiderman. Went to the theatre for the first two... the third I just didn't bother. Don't get me wrong I really like both the first and second movies, I love parts of both of them but after seeing Garfield and Holland I much prefer them.
I think it is a more common take than you think.
TBT - Great Rewatch, I LMFAO and forgot what the heck what was the topic of the podcast, then you kindly reminded us of the actual rematch of Spider-Man! Tom Holland is my personal favorite! Many Thanks Coy, Kristian and Winston!
Thank you!
“There’s a sand monster.. where’s the president? SEND THE JETS!”
Fkn killed me, so funny!! Keep it up 🤣🤣
Ha thank you!
Also friend of all Scott Mantz is quoted in the back of the spider man 3 dvd saying “Spidey is back and better than ever”. So is he wrong ?
Yes
I really like this format of rewatching movies. Kristian, Coy, and Winston have had some really strong insight into the Raimi trilogy. I really do need to go back and watch them again. That said, my old roommate told me that the novelization really fixed a lot of the problems. One of these days I'm gonna find a used copy and find out for myself.
PS: Any chance the Rewatch crew (or another group on SEN can watch some werewolf movies to prep for the Blumhouse WolfMan movie?
Oh man, that's a tall order! I think we are going to do Matrix, Batman and maybe Jurassic Park?
Actually the music in this is by Christopher young
Dropping that bomb at the very end, earned you a like for sure. I cant WAIT for the Matrix rewatch.
Ha which bomb? The Matrix one?
After watching Peter doing that walking dancing montage he must have been high or was wearing beer glasses because those woman looking at him like he was a joke. The funny part about that moment in the movie it's now apart of the MCU haha
It really is!
Its crazy at one point in my life this was the biggest movie event of my movie life lol. this movie had so much hype behind this and the dark knight was kind of the shift of hype for comic book movies . I just remember the teaser of Tobey in the black suit and being hyped as hell.
Yeah and now it just kind of disappears in the background of Spidey films.
Love this movie. Shaggy but so much fun and such great imagery and BOLD presentation!
Hey glad you dug it.
i unironically think spiderman 3 is almost as enjoyable as spiderman 2 endgame and dark knight...i actually think its good like a 7.4 while those other films i listed are between 7.6-7.8 but hey whatever...my takes on those popular films is they are just ok...not amazing...even infinity war is like at best a 8.3 mostly for its set up in other films like civil war paying off finally....which is hard to execute so props for that but to think i would only give it like 1 point higher than spiderman 3 makes people think my tastes suck..so....maybe i am an idiot
The Butler was Bill Paxtons dad. 🤷♂️🤷♀️. Had no idea.
He was indeed.
I like Coy's idea for the MCU Spidey episodes you should do that! Also you missed one other consistent thing besides Jameson and Elfman...Campbell's cameos(granted the first one is overshadowed by Randy Savage's Bonesaw but still)!
Coy has great ideas!
Sandman rocks...at least there's that
He does!
It was the episode where Chameleon was robbing banks as spiderman.
Gotcha
Sorry I'm late to this. Though I'm avoiding the trailer at all costs. I don’t think the Sinister Six will show up just yet. The groundwork could be laid out and maybe they’ll form at the end. But my predictions for who will be part of it is the three given: Electro, Doc Ock, Green Goblin (I’m going with DeHaan instead of Dafoe. I think Scorpion because we see him at the end of Homecoming. Shocker could still be around too. If Vulture will be part of it, I think he will end up helping Peter at some point and betray the Sinister Six.
No apologies needed! This series is evergren!
I love these rewatches by the way. I would consider doing Ghostbuster rewatch if you are interested.
We very well might!
40:30 brought Alfred from Wish
What's even more shocking is this movie was the highest grossing Toby-Spider-Man film in the series! Do you think Rami 4 could have happened if this was received well?
I think if Raimi had had a better experience making 3, as well as the critical response being higher, a 4th would’ve happened. Sony really screwed the pooch with how much they stepped in on 3
4 was going to happen and they were about to film it before it got cancelled. It was due to a fight between Raimy and Avi Arad
Not really shocking.
Next movie after Spider-Man 2, which many consider(ed) the best CBM of all time. Of course ppl are going to see it.
@@scottelement I meant shocking in retrospect.at the time I remember the hype for this film and that's no shock. but looking that it made even more than other Spiderman movies is what blows my mind.
@@Spideymrw yeah... so sad. I cant wait to see his dr strange
I actually think Koy's theory on the next Spidey film is interesting. I think it'd be a shot at doing something really out of the box and potentially fun.
Really curious to how it pans out!
I'm not even... great rewatch discussion. Lol
Thank you!
Coy's theory is just the rose tyler fate for spiderman
Coy's got some good theories!
The only redeeming quality about Spiderman 3 is the end scene where Harry dies and the score kicks in. The movie is filled with obnoxious overracting and downright weird character choices but this also has a theme of the superhero life consuming you towards the negative side.
Agree
This movie is a complete mess, but under that mess is a really touching story with the Sandman & Harry resolutions.
Agreed
Great Show guys,thank you for doing this.
Thank you for watching!
Woke up to this playing on my phone and had to start fresh.
I think No Way Home has the chance to strengthen some of Sony's past Spider-Man movies. Kind of like the Marvel shows have made some of weaker MCU films better.
Time to watch the Amazing Spider-Man revisit
Thank you!
I just don't see this movie the same way that so many other people do. The whole premise of "three villains, Goblin, Sandman, Venom is too much going on" is just not something that even registers with me. Why? Because it's not that black and white. I know the MCU has made comic book movies that, basically just "here is the good guy, here is the bad guy, they will both get a half baked back story and fight at the end" but that's not what Spider-Man 3 is doing. The villains are just extensions of storylines that were present in all the films, so why is it too much now because they sorta appear like villains? The main villain is Sandman. He drives the plot and story forward. It doesn't need to be that confusing. Goblin? That's just an extension of Harry and Peter's relationship that we've seen in the two previous movies, and it handles it fairly well. I agree that the bump on the head was a little convenient, and how Harry gets the information on how his father died seemed a little rushed, but the overall broad strokes? It was an emotional way to conclude that arc imo. As for Venom? Venom is just an extension of the fact that the real villain in the movie is himself, and that's what he needs to overcome. That's why the Eddie Brock stuff doesn't matter all that much, or the fact that he just shows up at the end. Venom is just an avatar for Peter's inner demons. None of these villains necessarily stand on their own and would be able to carry the film imo. Sandman is great, but he couldn't live up to the previous two villains. But when you have Sandman, Venom, Goblin and Peter all fighting at the end of the movie, it works for me. I think this film is a showcase of pure talent in Sam Raimi as a filmmaker. It is a flawed film, and I know Sam Raimi is particularily hard on himself for it, but I think ultimately his talent shines through so much that he was able to make an unideal circumstance of a battle with the studio actually work because he is just a fundamentally good story teller who can find the humanity in anything. Even with some of the silly stuff with the characters that's a little dated now, the core relationships with Peter, Mary Jane, Harry, and Aunt May really work. They have heart. The new Marvel movies just don't have that.
I am curious how these movies and new one will tie all of that together.
I think Bernard only learnt that Harry is the Goblin in Spider-Man 3, and through this information, pieced together that Norman was The Green Goblin, hence him only telling Harry about his father's situation at that time.
Now, this whole scenario is definitely deserving of elaboration and detail, and that's indeed a fault of the film handling too much.
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention how Eddie somehow knows about Sandman's daughter and the reason he's robbing banks. That whole scene is off actually - The way Sandman just chucks Venom away and keeps walking forward nonchalantly, with an attitude of "Woah! Not who I was looking for!... Anyhoo, I'll just keep moving along and getting on with my own business. Good day alien or hyena monster".
Haha
I HATED the sandman killing Ben thing bc to me it takes away what made Peter spiderman to begin with which was this random robber he didn't know he let him go and didn't stop him when he could of then Ben gets shot that same guy so Peter feels responsible and decides to use his powers to save people... Making It actually sandman takes that away bc he shot him before that guy peter let go got outside so even if he did stop that guy Ben would of still died.. the og way had Peter dealing with essentially killing Ben bc he could of stopped the robber and didn't
Couldn't stand that
Putting this here so I can come back in December to say I was right about the sinister 6 (if in this movie) will only be set up for the last film Tom has as spiderman.
Ha nice!
Awesome review. Really digging this channel.
Welcome aboard! Thank you!
I used to not like Spider-Man 3 when I was younger, now I came to appreciate it a lot more. I don’t think it’s a great movie and it’s nowhere near as good as 1 & especially 2 (The 2nd one is my favorite superhero movie ever), but when I hear people say it’s one of the worst superhero movies ever made, I think it’s kinda undeserved as despite its flaws there are great stuff in here (Like the action sequences, the Birth of the Sandman, most of the performances were really good and it still has fun and charm of the first 2) and even the stuff that people crap on like Emo Peter I just found to be really funny, and not in an unintentional way. And the casting of Topher Grace, I actually liked him as Eddie Brock as he tried to play like if he was mirror version of Peter who lacked all of the morals, as Venom he’s too over the top and feels like he’s in a different movie. And I love the overall theme of forgiveness, egotism and revenge throughout. I do wish Sony and Avi Arad would’ve backed off and let Raimi do the movie he wanted, but I thought he still did the best he could and ended with IMO a decent conclusion, though I did wish we had Spider-Man 4.
There is def stuff that has potential!
This was so good. I love the review. Makes the 3rd movie more tolerable lol. To me Spider-Man 3 and Superman 3 are the best superhero comedies alive lol. There that bad, but sooo funny lol. That’s how I see both those movies lol.
Thank you. People enjoy the rewatch series!
I like the score for this movie too but Danny Elfman didn’t return for this movie
Yeah realized that after haha
Sandman and Gwen Stacy are my only redeeming moments in this movie. Thomas Haden Church is up there with Dafoe & Molina as a fantastic & emotional villain. And Bryce Dallas Howard is my first film crush in this movie as Gwen. Did she have much to do, no, but I loved her every second she was on screen. Meh movie but entertaining as hell
Yeah there was definitely potential!
@@TheKristianHarloff i actually think venom and sandman work well..its harry who ruins spiderman 3...and mary jane...they really annoy me this film....their subplots should of been left for a 4th film that may never have came but who cares...3 should of focused more on venom and sandman..period...
Great crew
Thank you!
Wow I have seen this movie a million times and never thought about the obvious J. Jonah “I don’t like you bc your gf left my son at the aisle” thing. That would have been good dramatic threading from 2 and better texture. The way this movie starts wih “It’s great to be spider-man now and I’m a cocky happy guy now that MJ is with me”. Never worked for me. First of many problems lol.
Right?!
MJ boyfriend was an astronaut. It made no sense to me Why Sony or Sam Raimi didn't use that character to bring venom. From outter to earth venom falling from the sky made no sense.
Right?!
Marvel needs to cast Kristian as Zebediah Stane who's anger at the death of his brother has nowhere to be directed with Tony gone so tries to take it out on anyone who's related to Stark and Stark Industries.
Hahaha
He really did ask God to kill Peter Parker lol
Yup
I don’t put the blame on Sam Raimi at all for what happened with Spider-Man 3. He went through hell with Avi Arab pushing for Venom to be in this movie
I think a lot of that is true but there were a few choices made that you can tell was his.
Winston (who is not actually Winston and I am heartbroken) hasn't seen Braveheart!?
We have to find out how to get him to watch!
I made a comment on your SM-2 review before I saw this one...but thank you for addressing how horrible MJ is, and how terrible the Peter/MJ relationship is. It's another reason I don't like most of the Raimi trilogy, because again as you say, so much of it is devoted to this relationship, and outside of the first one's iconic kiss, the rest of the time it's a time/energy/storyline suck.
Thanks man!
Hey Kristan I saw a video about how this guy would redo Spider-Man 3 and I wanna get your thought... he was saying pretty much just use venom but instead of throwing Brock in there have the symbiote attach itself to Harry Osborn.. think about it through 2 movies you build Harry hates peter and in the second one he finds out that peter is Spider-Man who killed his dad you have the symbiote take him over the edge then at the end right before venom can kill Spider-Man Harry fights him off and sacrifices himself to kill venom I think it would be the perfect ending of the Harry and peter story
True, good ideas!
@@TheKristianHarloff I gotta give credit to the guy I watch that seemed like a great way to end the Harry and Peter story with a great heroic sacrifice
Another terrific Spidey discussion.
Thank you!
Will you be rewatching of Enter the Spiderverse
Yup! Last one before No Way Home
Yup!
@@TheKristianHarloff awesome guys! Can’t wait!
9:48 😂😂😂
I mean right?!
Will Rhino appear?
God I hope not.
You should check out Double Toasted, Martin argues that Spiderman 3 is better than Spiderman 2 & that's a compelling argument.
Korey is on the show next week!
Here's hoping Kristian sees Dune in the theater this weekend 🙏
Saw it! Not in theaters though.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually dug Spider-Man 3. I understand the criticisms, though. I personally found the scene when Peter's dancing around and trying to charm women on the street to be hysterical lol. I couldn't help but just be embarrassed for him lol.
Hey totally respect that you found enjoyment out of it.
I loved this film back in the day and I still enjoy the movie to a certain extent, but definitely one of the weakest spiderman films. Harry Osborn and Sandman were the best characters in this sequel and great video Kristian!
Thank you!
Danny Elfman DIDN"T score Spiderman 3. It was Christopher Young. Just saying. Do ya homework son!
Would you watch this over Batman and Robin?
Yes
Spider-Man 3 is a wreck but I can still enjoy it. Still, a very disappointing follow up to 2 and unfortunate finale to Raimi’s trilogy. Hoping for more Tobey come No Way Home! Great discussion guys.
Yeah it was bad but not unwatchable bad.
Spiderman 3 AKA The Birth Of Bully Maguire😂😂😂
Hahha
Sorry to dissapoint you Kristian. Christopher Young did the score for this one.
Edit: It's a shame that you guys didn't mention the best scene from the movie. (Birth of Sandman)
Oh really? Well how bout that?! Lot of the Elfman influence though.
I hope they realise how bad TASM 1 is next week
We shall see!
Part of me hopes Tobey and Andrew are nowhere to be found in No Way Home just so people can get a lesson in overhyping things. The expectations getting put on this movie are getting out of hand.
That is fair.
@@TheKristianHarloff of course I’m gonna be super excited in the theatre if it happens. The whole thing is just starting to feel like we’re baiting ourselves :(
As the Pitboss always says.. “Speculate Responsibly” haha 😄
This film came out when I was 9 and I watched it a ton on DVD when I was a kid. So I've always liked the film. Re-visiting it all these years later my take away was that I still enjoyed watching the film but fucking hell is the screenplay is a botch job. I echo the thoughts of you guys that there was a great film in there but the studio's influence completely ruined it. Sandman and Green Goblin Jr. just being the villians would have been so much better! I never realised how much of a loser Tobey is in these films till I you guys pointed it out in these videos but it was really apparent in this film!
Also the dumb and dumber review from a few years back is one of my favourite videos you've ever posted, I occasionally go back and watch that one 😄[insert ellis scream here]
Haha thank you, loved that review as well. Keep checking this channel out, lots of fun stuff coming up. Thank you for your comment on this one and yeah I agree that the tone of script was all over the place.
This episode was terrific.
This movie was terrible.
'Nuff said!
Haha
Spider-Man Twitter is only second to Star Wars Twitter in regards to most insufferable fans online.
See I am so disconnected to that, never knew that!
Plenty of people defend this movie and while i don't quite understand why in this case, i do the same thing. I will defend The Last Jedi to the end and i also quite enjoy TASM2 and the Star Wars prequels. The only objectively awful comic book movies are Electra, Venom, Batman+Robin, and Joker. Even then, i would prefer Electra. SM3 is very akin to the Star Wars prequels-definitely not a good film but still fun to watch. Both SM3 and TASM2 are showcases for what a horribly run studio Sony Pictures is. For crying out loud, SM1 and 2 made tons of cash and were intensely loved and yet they suddenly felt the need to interfere and screw up what was clearly working well?! TASM 2 was Sony wanting to rush an MCU of their own. That's 2 times in only 5 years they shot themselves in the neck with idiocy and greed. At this point, Marvel just needs to buy out the Spidey universe rights from Sony. Venom sucked so bad both times it was pushed by Sony, rather than by the storytellers.
I need Part 3
You guys are too hard on Bully Spider-Man. Yeah he looks like a dork, Peter Parker is a dork and his idea of being a bad boy is stupid as hell. I thought that was the point lol.
Haha