Yeah nice one will look better the roof once its painted will you need to fill in with body filler? nice to see your mums not bursting a gut this week laughing lol ah well good to see your all still enjoying it, it will get better in the summer months its always a bit bleak in the winter!!
I bet your Mum is glad she's back don't know what she's missed,do you guys practice at being funny or is it au naturelle joking of course,Andy if you get anymore clever you will be on Mensa ,keep it up guys you have me and my wife in stitches.great video as always. Ps The way you guys were professional putting the Solar system on the roof was nothing short of perfection.
Yeah we've used body filler, ha ha i know i don't know what got into her last time 😂 yep we honestly cant wait until spring, we're about sick of being stuck in the marina.
Thank you Mike, yeah she really missed it but she just wants to get on the cut now...well we all do. well we've always been a very laid back joky family, trust me he's not as clever has you might think 😂 he's a bit of a jack of all traits master of none. ha ha thanks for calling our job "perfection" i wouldn't call us pros and there's a few people here in the comments who think otherwise 😂
Guys, another great "what you see is what you get" video. Solar can be a bit of a nightmare, especially when joining panels together and deciding if you want them in series or parallel. I've always been a 12v man even though others will tell you 24v is much more efficient. MPPT vs PWM is mostly about efficient use of the power you are pulling in, but there is quite a cost difference. I use PWM and it serves me well, although I would dearly love an MPPT but cant quite justify the additional cost. Great work and good luck......
Wish I was there to tell you to back the tap out 1/4 to 1/2 turn for every turn in to clear the chips, and to use oil! And one of those stepdrills could have at least got the holes started.
Well done Mr. Taylor... Much praise from us... there's lots more to these jobs than folk realise and rarely do we have all the right tools & 'bits & bobs' for these jobs... We congratulate you and your skills... Thank you Taylor family for sharing :-) By the way will you be letting the cats out?
Surprised it took so long to break the tap :) When tapping do 1 full turn then back half a turn this helps clear any material stuck in the thread you are making. Remember they get blunt quickly and the blunter they are the more likely to snap. Apart from that looks like you did an alright job. To measure amps you need to be in line in the circuit rather than across the circuit like a volt reading. Sparking is bad regardless of where it happens, something I learnt when I was an apprentice whilst doing a practical assignment! Keep up the videos really enjoying them.
Hi Andy here ye done loads of DIY but never tapping felt like I was waiting for a filling at the dentist but got there in the end thanks for your input there is no one to ask or show I just watched videos on it if only you were here thanks mate kind regards Andy
we decided not to get the slot brackets as their a lot more expensive than a standard bracket, it was a quarter of the price. so instead i think we'll take the panels off.
Hi Andy T here I saw a long boat stuck under a bridge one day scraping their solar brackets they had dropped their panels but the brackets were to high so my thinking is logical you can drop the panels but you can't drop the brackets this is a soar subject for me had many a sleepless night about solar brackets ahhhh thanks guys this is team work hope to meet some day
I’ve got renogy on the shed (renters not homeowners) and my system cost about £2.5K and the batteries are lithium! Wouldn’t be without them with current prices for electric going through the roof! I think the plastic ones might come in use to hang on the side in desperate times or when you’re feeling thrifty! Anyway bye darlings xx 😘
Andy T here the two technologies are supposed to work well together offering different advantages if I was just to use one it would be the superior mppt controller we only had 400 wott stick on solar and now that mppt controller now that's 320 watt panel of a much better quality so I took this and added the other two panels thus giving nearly 1 KW of power on the roof if I only get 70 to 80 percent of that I will be happy I will run the summer season if this experiment fails then yes my birthday present is an mppt controller instead and a telling of from number one the wife thanks guys this input is great
@@darkmatterxi Andrew PWM really only work efficiently when the panel tracking voltage is a a few volts above the battery full voltage eg 17.5V panel charging 12v battery (14v full) - in our RV the we have a 300watt 33volt panel which uses a MPPT - on a sunny day it charges 15-20amps
Update just c done some more reading and the pwm controller s are not compatible with 60 cell pv panels didn't work has to be 36 so I've had no other choice but to order an mppt controller now instead more money after lock down it's back to work hope I don't upset my number one AKA the wife too much but no choice it could damage the batteries ahhh thanks subscribers Andy T out another sleepless night
Guys that was painful to watch. If you don’t know what you’re doing with marine electrical, I suggest you learn or consult someone who does know. You used red and black wire from the panel feed....although this would usually be ok, it’s not UV stable and not great outside in the elements, it’s better to use 6mm2 PV cable which is what the cable is from the panels all the way to the solar controller as this is tough cable and is designed to be outside and can take all what mother nature can throw at it as well as the voltage and the current. Also when you pass cables through a metal roof (or anything metal) you MUST use some kind of cable protection (unless you added it off camera) as this will cut through in time with the normal vibrations of the boat and will put a dead short across your panels...not good. Also why did you get a PWM controller? That really seems daft as an MPPT would have been so,so much better and worth the extra money. I also hope you fitted the correct sized fuse within 150mm of the positive terminal of the red battery cable that goes to the controller. Final comment here. Solar panels in parallel will double the current (ISC) and the panel voltage (VOC) will stay the same. Solar panels in series, the VOC (panel voltage) will double and the ISC (panel current) will stay the same. A DIY solar panel install can be really decent if you take the time to follow the rules and regs of the BMEEA code. You really don’t ever want an electrical fire on a boat....ever as you can’t run away from it like you can on land. The worrying thing is that folk not in the know could watch this video and copy what you have done. Comments written to highlight potential issues to keep you all safe.
Thanks for the feedback and advice, we've added cable weather protection off camera and I believe we did mean a mppt controller. I think we do mention don't follow this tutorial as we are idiots
@@TaylorsAboardaNarrowboat....I think you misunderstood what I meant. As much of course you need the weather proof roof gland bonded to the surface to stop the water getting through the holes you drilled for the cables. It was protection on the cables that go through the roof to stop them from rubbing through from the sharp edges of the holes that I was getting at, as they will eventually rub through over time. The controller you got new is a PWM and not a MPPT.
@@metalsnapper6728 yeah sorry about that I Don't know much about this sorta thing, I leave that to dad, but I've just ask 5 minutes to late about the mppt controller with had one, it was the old one, so we just got a cheaper one so they work together, he has done more off camera to clean up the job and make it safe and he did seal the holes
Hi Andy here thanks for comment I used nylon roof insert for the cables as they pass into the roof because I thought this may cause a hot point there are two separate fuses in the engine room for solar and in the crew cupboard aft I've installed a 12 v 60 amp RCD and a further 30 amp RCD for the single solar the cable is of marine standard I have used 8 mm so not to loose any current also the cable has been run through cable marine grade con I would not have even considered installing the solar array if I had no basic idea and had done lots of sparky jobs your input is great and I understand there are a lot of people doing this installation on their long boats and don't have any background in this field which can be dangerous the reason for not going for another mppt controller was money I have one mppt controller on one panel when I start work again I will of course invest but I think the combination of the two technologies will work well I will eventually be investing in pure carbon batteries these are fantastic for big dumps of power with little resistance I'm glad you have covered this area but we are not a how to this is pure and simply our lives and what we get up to I'm not always that sensible looking but I'm laid back I live and let live and am looking forward to uncharted seas thanks again clear horizons Andy T
@@darkmatterxi Hi Andy. Thanks for clearing some of this up. But......even though the cable you used from the panels is marine grade, it will be resistant to certain oil’s and fuels, but not usually to the outdoor elements, especially UV, you’ll be amazed how quickly UV degrades things, especially cable....Hence you use PV cable all the way to the PV input terminals of the controller. And what’s 8mm? Is this diameter of the cable or the cross sectional area as in 8mm2? The VOC of your panels is pretty high at 41.55V and the voltage drop over length from the panels to the controller wont be no where near as much as it is if it was say 12V. The cable from the controller to the batteries really matters as this will be affected by voltage drop as will be your charging voltage along with the maximum current that the solar controller is capable of delivering. Also you must use DC rated breakers. An RCD is not usually used on a DC system as only a 2 wire circuit, I assume you meant MCB? Again, these must be DC rated. The MPPT is worth the extra money, I 100% assure you and you’ll be glad you did it, the difference between them is night and day. As I mentioned, I just want you guys to be safe. Marine electrical is very different from land electrical......and the rules and regs are very different. 👍🏻
DONT COPY THIS VIDEO OR HOW WE INSTALLED THESE PANELS AS WE'RE NOT EXPERTS. THIS IS (HOW WE DO).... NOT HOW TO DO
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I'm glad you put all the bad bits and good bits. I bought black sealant and it was a bloody mess. Fair play for giving it ago Taylor family.
i know right who would want black sealant 😂 Cheers Will
Yeah nice one will look better the roof once its painted will you need to fill in with body filler? nice to see your mums not bursting a gut this week laughing lol ah well good to see your all still enjoying it, it will get better in the summer months its always a bit bleak in the winter!!
I bet your Mum is glad she's back don't know what she's missed,do you guys practice at being funny or is it au naturelle joking of course,Andy if you get anymore clever you will be on Mensa ,keep it up guys you have me and my wife in stitches.great video as always.
Ps The way you guys were professional putting the Solar system on the roof was nothing short of perfection.
Yeah we've used body filler, ha ha i know i don't know what got into her last time 😂 yep we honestly cant wait until spring, we're about sick of being stuck in the marina.
Thank you Mike, yeah she really missed it but she just wants to get on the cut now...well we all do. well we've always been a very laid back joky family, trust me he's not as clever has you might think 😂 he's a bit of a jack of all traits master of none. ha ha thanks for calling our job "perfection" i wouldn't call us pros and there's a few people here in the comments who think otherwise 😂
Guys, another great "what you see is what you get" video. Solar can be a bit of a nightmare, especially when joining panels together and deciding if you want them in series or parallel. I've always been a 12v man even though others will tell you 24v is much more efficient. MPPT vs PWM is mostly about efficient use of the power you are pulling in, but there is quite a cost difference. I use PWM and it serves me well, although I would dearly love an MPPT but cant quite justify the additional cost. Great work and good luck......
Another nice watch, thank you Taylor's.
Good job Mr Taylor
Wish I was there to tell you to back the tap out 1/4 to 1/2 turn for every turn in to clear the chips, and to use oil! And one of those stepdrills could have at least got the holes started.
Well done Mr. Taylor... Much praise from us... there's lots more to these jobs than folk realise and rarely do we have all the right tools & 'bits & bobs' for these jobs... We congratulate you and your skills... Thank you Taylor family for sharing :-) By the way will you be letting the cats out?
Thank you so much I'll be letting him know your kind words, and yes we will let the cats out once we're on a canal
Solar panels look great josh and where does your dad work ? You all seem to be gelling together somewhat !!!!!!
Surprised it took so long to break the tap :)
When tapping do 1 full turn then back half a turn this helps clear any material stuck in the thread you are making. Remember they get blunt quickly and the blunter they are the more likely to snap.
Apart from that looks like you did an alright job.
To measure amps you need to be in line in the circuit rather than across the circuit like a volt reading. Sparking is bad regardless of where it happens, something I learnt when I was an apprentice whilst doing a practical assignment!
Keep up the videos really enjoying them.
ah if we only had your wisdom before, but there's always next time. thanks for the feedback.
Hi Andy here ye done loads of DIY but never tapping felt like I was waiting for a filling at the dentist but got there in the end thanks for your input there is no one to ask or show I just watched videos on it if only you were here thanks mate kind regards Andy
@@darkmatterxi if you ever want to ask questions you can catch me on twitter with the same name, and I will try and answer.
You might need to put some slots in those brackets so you can lower the panels to get through some of the low tunnel/bridges.
we decided not to get the slot brackets as their a lot more expensive than a standard bracket, it was a quarter of the price. so instead i think we'll take the panels off.
Hi Andy T here I saw a long boat stuck under a bridge one day scraping their solar brackets they had dropped their panels but the brackets were to high so my thinking is logical you can drop the panels but you can't drop the brackets this is a soar subject for me had many a sleepless night about solar brackets ahhhh thanks guys this is team work hope to meet some day
I’ve got renogy on the shed (renters not homeowners) and my system cost about £2.5K and the batteries are lithium! Wouldn’t be without them with current prices for electric going through the roof! I think the plastic ones might come in use to hang on the side in desperate times or when you’re feeling thrifty! Anyway bye darlings xx 😘
We have lithium now and if we knew in the beginning we would have saved alot of money getting them in the first place.
i learned my lesson with shite ebay stuff i highly recommend draper tools loads online good prices never let you down
good job both of you
Could you put a link to the solar panels please? as I'd like to give them a call
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@@TaylorsAboardaNarrowboat excellent thank you. X
Are those brackets going to hold those large panels in a strong wind?
They are still going strong even after the 3 storms in a row.
When is Uncle Fester planning his visit ?
Honestly I think we need him, he would do a better job...
EPever are a good make however you should have bought the MPPT model - its way more efficient
We already had one so we only needed the cheaper one 👍
Andy T here the two technologies are supposed to work well together offering different advantages if I was just to use one it would be the superior mppt controller we only had 400 wott stick on solar and now that mppt controller now that's 320 watt panel of a much better quality so I took this and added the other two panels thus giving nearly 1 KW of power on the roof if I only get 70 to 80 percent of that I will be happy I will run the summer season if this experiment fails then yes my birthday present is an mppt controller instead and a telling of from number one the wife thanks guys this input is great
@@darkmatterxi Andrew PWM really only work efficiently when the panel tracking voltage is a a few volts above the battery full voltage eg 17.5V panel charging 12v battery (14v full) - in our RV the we have a 300watt 33volt panel which uses a MPPT - on a sunny day it charges 15-20amps
Don't put yourself down, everyone has to start somewhere, amateurs built the arc, professionals built the titanic
and look what happened to the titanic..
I dont mind watching your videos but tell your mum not to call me darling lol
ha ha 😂 i'll let her know
Update just c done some more reading and the pwm controller s are not compatible with 60 cell pv panels didn't work has to be 36 so I've had no other choice but to order an mppt controller now instead more money after lock down it's back to work hope I don't upset my number one AKA the wife too much but no choice it could damage the batteries ahhh thanks subscribers Andy T out another sleepless night
Guys that was painful to watch. If you don’t know what you’re doing with marine electrical, I suggest you learn or consult someone who does know.
You used red and black wire from the panel feed....although this would usually be ok, it’s not UV stable and not great outside in the elements, it’s better to use 6mm2 PV cable which is what the cable is from the panels all the way to the solar controller as this is tough cable and is designed to be outside and can take all what mother nature can throw at it as well as the voltage and the current. Also when you pass cables through a metal roof (or anything metal) you MUST use some kind of cable protection (unless you added it off camera) as this will cut through in time with the normal vibrations of the boat and will put a dead short across your panels...not good. Also why did you get a PWM controller? That really seems daft as an MPPT would have been so,so much better and worth the extra money. I also hope you fitted the correct sized fuse within 150mm of the positive terminal of the red battery cable that goes to the controller. Final comment here. Solar panels in parallel will double the current (ISC) and the panel voltage (VOC) will stay the same. Solar panels in series, the VOC (panel voltage) will double and the ISC (panel current) will stay the same. A DIY solar panel install can be really decent if you take the time to follow the rules and regs of the BMEEA code. You really don’t ever want an electrical fire on a boat....ever as you can’t run away from it like you can on land. The worrying thing is that folk not in the know could watch this video and copy what you have done. Comments written to highlight potential issues to keep you all safe.
Thanks for the feedback and advice, we've added cable weather protection off camera and I believe we did mean a mppt controller. I think we do mention don't follow this tutorial as we are idiots
@@TaylorsAboardaNarrowboat....I think you misunderstood what I meant. As much of course you need the weather proof roof gland bonded to the surface to stop the water getting through the holes you drilled for the cables. It was protection on the cables that go through the roof to stop them from rubbing through from the sharp edges of the holes that I was getting at, as they will eventually rub through over time. The controller you got new is a PWM and not a MPPT.
@@metalsnapper6728 yeah sorry about that I Don't know much about this sorta thing, I leave that to dad, but I've just ask 5 minutes to late about the mppt controller with had one, it was the old one, so we just got a cheaper one so they work together, he has done more off camera to clean up the job and make it safe and he did seal the holes
Hi Andy here thanks for comment I used nylon roof insert for the cables as they pass into the roof because I thought this may cause a hot point there are two separate fuses in the engine room for solar and in the crew cupboard aft I've installed a 12 v 60 amp RCD and a further 30 amp RCD for the single solar the cable is of marine standard I have used 8 mm so not to loose any current also the cable has been run through cable marine grade con I would not have even considered installing the solar array if I had no basic idea and had done lots of sparky jobs your input is great and I understand there are a lot of people doing this installation on their long boats and don't have any background in this field which can be dangerous the reason for not going for another mppt controller was money I have one mppt controller on one panel when I start work again I will of course invest but I think the combination of the two technologies will work well I will eventually be investing in pure carbon batteries these are fantastic for big dumps of power with little resistance I'm glad you have covered this area but we are not a how to this is pure and simply our lives and what we get up to I'm not always that sensible looking but I'm laid back I live and let live and am looking forward to uncharted seas thanks again clear horizons Andy T
@@darkmatterxi Hi Andy. Thanks for clearing some of this up. But......even though the cable you used from the panels is marine grade, it will be resistant to certain oil’s and fuels, but not usually to the outdoor elements, especially UV, you’ll be amazed how quickly UV degrades things, especially cable....Hence you use PV cable all the way to the PV input terminals of the controller. And what’s 8mm? Is this diameter of the cable or the cross sectional area as in 8mm2? The VOC of your panels is pretty high at 41.55V and the voltage drop over length from the panels to the controller wont be no where near as much as it is if it was say 12V. The cable from the controller to the batteries really matters as this will be affected by voltage drop as will be your charging voltage along with the maximum current that the solar controller is capable of delivering. Also you must use DC rated breakers. An RCD is not usually used on a DC system as only a 2 wire circuit, I assume you meant MCB? Again, these must be DC rated. The MPPT is worth the extra money, I 100% assure you and you’ll be glad you did it, the difference between them is night and day. As I mentioned, I just want you guys to be safe. Marine electrical is very different from land electrical......and the rules and regs are very different. 👍🏻
Well, that was painful to watch...