What NOT To Do in a Backhoe | Tractor Loader Backhoe Operator Training
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How to Operate a Backhoe Loader | Tractor Loader Backhoe Operator Training. Today we are covering what NOT to do in a Backhoe. We cover the 3 basic mistakes we see from new operators regarding: starting position, center of gravity and parking. We'll be operating a John Deere 310 backhoe loader. Have a question of comment? Leave them below!
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My dad ran backhoes for 50 years. He would climb banks, pull himself out on elevated RR platforms, pull and push himself in and out of ponds... It was next level. The more time you spend on the machine, the more you realize it will do just about anything. If you could only take one machine to do a job, it would be a backhoe. He was amazing to watch. He would pull the boom tight and swing it full to each side and use the counterweight of it to tilt the front bucket edge for crowning and light ditching on driveways. He was always tedious and slow so that the maneuver was performed safely. I learned a lot over the years from him.
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
A few things I do. I’m in West Virginia where flat ground hardly exists.
The boom and stick makes a very effective counter weight, and i often swing it to the high side for added stability if working cross slope is necessary. If it’s really steep, cut a bench as you progress across the slope to create a level work space. You can grade it back when you back fill.
Next thing is turning downhill with a loaded front bucket is the most unstable position. Keep the bucket close to the ground, and if needed do a three point turn to approach the steepest part of the slope from the top and perpendicular to the slope.
Last thing is that they put differential brakes on machines for a reason. ( if your lucky to have them.)
They are for steering control when the front end is vulnerable or sliding down a slope. They are a God send on steep or slippery ground.
Thanks for these videos, just started sorting through them. I live on a very steep mountainside in the Appalachian mountains and I don't want to die.
Once again, thank you for the video. I start my backhoe training tomorrow.
I second what RP said about having your outriggers close to the ground when on a slope. If it starts to tip and the outrigger touches it makes it MUCH harder for it to roll over. 34 yrs exp as an owner/operator, btw.
Good info...thanks for sharing!
Another great video. I used to teach technical and safety classes and make how-to vids at my previous oilfield job. I know it can be difficult to make sure you're covering everything and covering it correctly. I also know it's not easy to always be civil with unsafe, knowitall dimwits and their comments, but you seem to do a good job of it! Thanks for sharing.
I have a JCB 214S with all four tires the same size. It's like a big bobcat, great in terrain, and the stability is better due to the large front tires. It has four wheel steering and no computers since it's a 2001. Sometimes on steep cross slopes I lower the stabilizers just in case. Cycle the levers when the machine is shut down to relieve hydraulic pressure. Good video,....so that's what that strap on the seat is for ;) Cheers from Canada.
You do a good job at explaining / teaching. Thanks for your site.
I can second-hand attest to the importance of that first tip, about starting the machine while facing the front. Many years ago, my dad made that mistake: the backhoe would start in gear, and it had gotten knocked out of neutral at some point. He started the machine not realizing that, and before he could turn around to try to turn the machine off, or gain control, the backhoe had flipped a car. A very dangerous, expensive, and easily avoidable mistake!
Thanks for sharing!
This video couldnt be timed any better, I just started my Backhoe course on Monday! Thank you
You got this!
Also dont go grabbing shovels or rakes from the back of the machine while its running. I did that once and the shovel hooked the rake...rake hooked boom swing lever👀 and swung towards me almost smashing me between boom and outrigger. Popped a few nuggets out on that one.
Thank you. Very helpful. I'm searching YT wrecks so I can understand this center of gravity clearly.
Great video; thanks.
Glass shatter shrapnel if something like a rock slams the window (especially the backhoe window) and throws tiny shards of glass at your face. The rock did not go through, but it sent a lot of tiny shards from the inside, right at my face. Luckily, I was wearing sun glasses, but if it were not bright outside, I would not have been wearing them, thinking the safety glass (or tempered as both are present in most backhoe enclosures) protects my eyes.
The rock was a chip from a larger chunk I was moving out of the way to dig. Anyway, I wear safety glasses now. My friend and coworker broke a chain lifting a log and the chain broke the window into thousands of little pieces, a couple of which left cuts on his cheek and forehead. He always wears tinted safety glasses, so he reminds me every time we get in the backhoes. Good friend, thanks man!
Call me crazy but watching you fiddle with all the buttons, knobs, etc makes me appreciate my old 4 stick Case 580SE even more. Not as fancy but I think the controls are more intuitive which in my case is safer. There's a lot going on in any backhoe and the less the operator has to fiddle with the better.
Ran a Case 580K extend hoe, if I remember the model correctly, miss all those hand and foot controls. That thing was fun to operate. Cheers :)
lol...I can appreciate that. Sometimes technology that is supposed to make things easier only complicates it more.
And to a diy home mechanic like me these new machines are a nightmare. Almost everything is controlled by electronics, magnet valves and solenoids. Complcated technology that WILL cause trouble sooner or - hopefully - later. I have an old Ford 5000 backhoe from 1965. Everything is manually operated and technically very simple. A few new hoses and seals are the only things I needed to make it work almost perfectly.
Think about this JD after 55 years....
What should I do with the back bucket when I'm storing or parking it? The model you're using has an outrigger, but how do I store or park those that have a stabilizer or the straight ones?
Great class thanks, I found vthat making sure doors are shut right and seat belt is rolled back properly helps gasket and protects straps and a cloth to put over gauges will do lots good in the long run and cause a owner to have better resale value and operator value.
Turning a machine over to a opertor and it not all beat up will cause the to value the machine and enjoy the job.
And anyone who don't like operating equipment is lying,
When I was running my Dynahoe 190 moving rock sometimes the rear wheels would come off the ground. I'd have to stretch the boom out for counterbalance. Tried the same in a JD 710 and it would pop hydraulic lines every time. Now I'm into Massey Ferguson's. Just got a decent 60H FWD and I think it would run circles around that JD 310. I always push the machine forward when trenching. Nice vid though.
When parked up engine off for extended periods I was taught to move the levers to release the hydraulic pressure, and to refuel the machine after it has been working all day, if left to the following morning there will be a chance condensation has built up in the tank. And when digging on an unknown area ask the contractor you are hired to if there are any buried pipes or cables, if they say no and there is, the machine operator will not be held liable for any damage caused.
Thanks for the comment!
great video thank you
Sometimes a mistake I make is when I’m digging, I have those RPMs up and I’m in a hurry I’ll turn the seat to move up and I’ll forget those RPMs are up and kicks you forward when you go into gear. Just a little reminder, RPMs dowwwwwn before you move
yikes...yes, good tip.
Just use the stick to move you forward or backward
@@davidroberts2404 yeah definitely more efficient. I haven’t done any work with one yet, just at a training site for my union. So they teach you and want you to do things by the book I guess lol. Thanks for the advise though, I’ll use it on a job site
The newer backhoes (as the one he’s in today) has a safety feature that locks the back bone when you turn the seat forward so there’s no chance of leaving the RPMS high Becuase it’s also cuts them off, pretty cool.
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Thanks again very good video
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Nice safety talk for those working in JCB's.
In a slope or hill NEVER NEVER rise up the outriggers before turning the seat forward and having your feet on brake pedals. Bucket down isn't secure, the machine may slide down hill.
excellent point...thanks for sharing!
I would agree with you and when I travel on a slope I swing my hoe to the uphill side, and keep my outriggers low. Right wrong or indifferent, it works for me and it's my machine.
Two things:
The outriggers take space when they are down. I keep my old backhoe in a garage with limited space so it isn't an option. You can keep them uplifted if you secure them by putting a ratchet strap between them. (Just remember to take the strap off BEFORE you put the outriggers down. I tell this from experience :))
And if you're going to store your backhoe for a longer time, I think it's better to let the bucket rest on the ground. This means less weight on the tires and saves them.
Good tips...thanks for sharing!
that starting faicing forward thing, is especially true in older backhoes, especially the shuttle shift type, its real easy, and super common to pull up, shut the machine off and hop out, with the machine still in gear. Seen way to many folks do this on a regular basis.
Agree...thanks for the comment!
I will be running a JCB backhoe so would love to see some videos on the 3CX eco please
If on a slope, like in the video, it is safe to keep the rear boom slightly swung up the hill. This keeps so much weight from dangling downhill. If ever traversing a slope it should be the same way.
I have a 1975 John Deere 410 Loader Backhoe, the locks that hold the hoe in place are all broke (someone before me moved the hoe before pulling the pins) and the cylinders are all needing to be replaced. The hoe and outriggers are always settling when using the machine, the hoe arm will swing from side to side and it's kinda of a mess. The outrigger will also settle when I'm digging with the hoe and I'm always having to readjust them.
I have all the replacement seals but I need to hire a shop to install them cause these cylinders are WAY to big for me to handle.
Luckily I am never on a hill so I don't worry to much and I always try to keep the hoe arm raised and directly behind the machine.
Great video as always, keep them up!
thanks for sharing!
Wuw, I’m impressed about ur safety precautions ⚠️...
thanks for the comment
Some people will disagree with me, but as operator I want to park a backhoe with the rear boom down and the stick extended so the bucket is cupping the ground. It makes the machine much easier and quicker to grease at the end of the shift or the beginning of the following shift.
All the talk of safety What no seat belt? Thanks a great video. Ps I’m a new operator of this kind of equipment.
Good vid. Thanks. FWIW, after repacking 14 of 15 cylinders on my 580SE and seeing how much water was in my system because of previous neglect (gallons of it no joke), if possible, I let the hoe out and rest it on the ground with the wiper seals facing down and cylinders retracted in the barrels. I also relieve the pressure in all the cylinders. Its a bit of a compromise to do it, but thats old machine preservation for you.
good tips...thanks for sharing!
I do the same, as a general rule the less shiny cylinders exposed the better. The boom and stick are fully extended parallel to the ground with the bucket resting on the ground. Once it stops I move all the levers to relieve pressure.
hello-seems like good info, could you illustrate digging a deep trench with an extenda hoe, i have a jd310c with extenda hoe and am new to using it, had a kelly on a w9 ihc with slow hydraulics before, thank you
The only thing I would add, use rear STABILIZERS to your advantage, when working on SLOPES. if you start moving at angle where your starting to tilt
Lower STABILIZER to just ABOVE ground, continue to watch them as you move, adjust accordingly
When you finish your dig on slope
DON'T raise STABILIZER all the way up, just raise it off ground so you can remove yourself from slope, watching rear STABILIZER as you move off slope, with them being just off ground enough to move machine forward or backwards. Also having to lift HEAVY load with Back of Backhoe ( using backhoe) and load is extended LOWER stabilizer just ABOVE ground, without a FRONT counterweight, the Backhoe will want to pop wheel-ez-s, with stabilizer's just OFF ground a bite will help counter act the rising of the FRONT of Backhoe. At end of any of what I have just wrote in this text, always and I mean ALWAYS make shour your Stabilizer's are RAISED fully, never drive around LEVEL job site with Stabilizer's DOWN or HALF way UP.
good tips...thanks for sharing
We are primarily a backhoe company with 7 580 case hoes(4 stick and pedals). All good starter safety points but the biggest thing I tell guys I'm teaching is to know your limits and know your comfort level. Even if the machine has joysticks it is not an excavator. Backhoes are an animal all their own. We generally get 700 to 800 feet of ditch open pipe installed and cleaned up with 2 guys in an 8 hour shift depending on utilities. Had backhoes in positions and places that should never be talked about that's for sure.
Buddy I work for a company that runs the exact same machines(4 stick over 2 any day of the week lol) and I know exactly what your saying. Those backhoes are nearly impossible to get stuck if you know what your doing
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Hey, thanks
very well taught.
Thanks for the comment!
Thanks!
If your rear wheel falls into a hole or soft spot and makes you tip to an unsafe amount, swing the stowed backhoe arm to the high side before driving out
Good point...thanks
@@HeavyMetalLearning I had to back down a dug 18 inch trench the other day the bank started caving off, so I swung the Boom and stick to the right, exstended the hoe, and walked the backhoe out on the right side wheels with the left side off the ground.
In the hilly oil fields around here, if you put the swing lock in the hoe, and don't know how to balance with the hoe on the hills we dig a hole six feet deep and order you a casket.
You are totally right though about backing up a steep hill, that or if dry, throw in some dirt full bucket. Because in real life you can't always back in or out, there have been a couple times I have had to lower the boom alway to the ground and walk out with the front tires in the air.
But over 40 years experience teaches you a few things on equipment.
Very cool, please more videos on grader
thanks....I'll see what I can do.
If you have to dump to the low side you can keep your bucket close to keep the weight close until you dump the bucket
Yes...that would work.
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Jake what do you do if your excavator arm moves without control or just moves on and on its own do you a turn the machine off or b watch while my boss watched and it happened to me I turned it off I didn't put a hole through the roof he was not so lucky
Hmmm...arm moving on its own???
Hey. I have more than 10 years of experience with JCB backhoe loaders and I can say that, on a slope, if the angle is dangerous, I prefer to park the machine at an angle of 45 ° to the trench, which allows me to unload material from the trench both up and down. The center of gravity in the JCB is very low and is offset to the rear axle, which, when working with the front end, allows you to safely jump over the trench if I need it when working. But amendment, JCB 3CX Super or JCB 4CX Super are wheeled!
Имею опыт работы на экскаваторах-погрузчиках JCB могу сказать что, на склоне, если угол опасный, предпочитаю парковать машину под углом 45° к траншее, что позволяет работать как вверх так и вниз. Центр масс в JCB очень низкий и смещен к заднему мосту, что при работе фронтальной частью позволяет спокойно перепрыгивать через траншею, если это мне нужно при работах. Но поправка, JCB 3CX Super or JCB 4CX Super равно колесные!
Interesting...thanks for sharing!
I get what you're saying about the starting in backwards thing, but if you're in dig position all it should do is spin. Just my thought.
I was always taught never go up a steep slope in reverse, if you have to get a scoop of dirt or rocks or something to counter the digger weight
I own 2 and have owned many for last 20 years and have run them for 40. I tell my new guys. Rule 1, if machine is on job site it's in 4wd if roading on asphalt 2wd. Rule 2 don't put front bucket down till your almost to pile to save edge wear. Rule 3 you never curl bucket 1st you lift bucket 2 inches then curl as soon as you lift it transfers weight to front end and you get more traction. Rule 3 go slow and easy don't spin tires. Rule4 don't use the backend till your ready usually takes about a year. Utilities are expensive and if you start breaking lines you'll get fired. I live in Utah, if you hit a gas line hear without a blue stake marking its 2500 dollar fine and they notify AG office for penalty. 2nd hit 2500 3rd hit 5000.
Excellent info...thanks for sharing!
Don’t put front bucket down till your almost at pile to save edge wear? The cutting edge? I’ve ran heavy equipment all my life in different applications. I’ve ran front end loader on concrete constantly scraping to keep clean and generally last 6 months and then you flip them. So a year in total. That’s the quickest I’ve ran through a set. In coal mines typically can last 1-4 years depending on operator and that is constantly cleaning haul roads and hauling rock overburden to dump site. It literally cost maybe a grand at most. Then once again you can flip them.. For a construction company or something of nature. That is penny’s… the other rules you were spot on… how long do you cutting edges last on your equipment typically? I’m very curious.
@@callmesosa300 i own 2 cat backhoes and 3 track loaders and a 966. Backhoes get most hrs about every year or year and half. Sometimes they dont flip well cause they wear thin. If your loading at a pile there is no reason to scrape 30 ft before, 5 ft is enough. Ive seen guys back drag roads and thats fine.
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ok but like can I start it with the seat forward and then dig still facing forward? or nahhhh??
Hmmmm...good luck with that!
@@HeavyMetalLearning I’m currently wedged against a wall after performing this. I only have a delicious snickers until I run out of food. Prayers for your boy.
Power lines. Contact with power lines can be deadly.
Jcb have very impressive tilt angles they can achieve with out tipping over they says has to do with cab design helps keeping weight down and it can go on the one wheel very far on tilt uk versions
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I think the best is do what comfort you the most it depends on person to person there is no guide line if you how i meant
Thanks for the comment.
It's good but how may i get there for practice please?
Some home improvement stores have heavy machinery for rent by the day.
practice
I love how he's like you NEVER ever ever ever do this that or the other thing, as he is doing said thing.
ummmm...how do you learn without demonstrating???
In England we consider John Deere to be just a Tractor. But looking at your blog, they look quite nice machines. But, I can see that they need a lot of improvements, to come up to safety standards. Such as, having the Back Acter, like a JCB’s. On a slide. It gives better balance when traveling. Also it is safer for climbing in the forward direction. Plus, he JCB has he legs flush with the width of the machine, enabling it to get into tighter spaces.
1. Case is better that jd. 2. Having your boom as close to the machine as possible and loader as low as possible when driving gives you the smoothest ride
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Holding the bucket controls down low is risky if you are wanting to do fine movements holding it on the top is safer and easier on you and also the machine
I built residential swimming pools for many years. I always made sure the loader, backhoe, and stabilizers were down on the ground with all pressure released in case kids climbed on and around it while we were not there. They could not make anything on it move and so as not to hurt themselves or worse.
Thanks for the comment!
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@@ontheroadagain4773 that’s pretty good! I hope he’s also been taught to not walk or run up to one without the operator aware of him. I’ve noticed that kids are getting run over with zero turn mowers because they back so much and so fast.
The FIRST thing to do after taking your seat in to buckle up. Even before starting any machine.
That's a lot different than my Dynahoe , lol
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You can start it in rear just make sure your bucket is down so you don’t move
Try running a 580 Case those things are so tail heavy they wheelie from hitting 3in potholes and the boom locks are a joke.
Thanks for the comment!
I've seen operators drive with the outriggers sticking out above the ground and wonder why they hit something with them.
lol...yeah, probably not a practice I would recommend
Bin there done that. For some reason, it's easy to forget about the outriggers. when you start to move. Luckily I feel the machine, it's a part or an extension of yourself and it's quite easy to tell right away if you're dragging something.
Trenching on a slope, dump to the low side, otherwise you increase the depth in the zone of influence. Yep it doesn't matter if your trench is shallow, but once that zone makes the trench deeper than 1.5m you need to shore the trench. Also there's a chance that the spoil can wash into the trench.
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Nice 👍 but J C B IS BETTER ALL THE BEST WELSH LYN.
This is absolutely beginner level
If you started in rear and it moves put the bucket down outriggers there's no way to control yourself that's a load
Would be a no-no regardless
The first 5 minutes was too painful to continue past.
"You can't reach the brakes and I can't control the machine!"
Dude, there's a friggin bucket at both ends, and you have nannies making sure your controls are in neutral.
You'd have had a coronary watching me run the 555A in third grade.
You made a Big mistake.Always turn your seat around before lifting out rigger's as to be able to use the brakes in case of parking brake failure.
Can you make a video on how too wipe my but as Well
ISO or SAE controls?
1st thing he said, should have been wear your seat belt
I ran a 410 on a farm for 6 years. It's not traditional digging work and many times every day I would run the hoe while driving at the same time. Don't do that. Looks like that machine wouldn't allow you to with those safety controls
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When we wuz lifting a heavy loads in the frnt bucket, use let da bck bo0m out t0 even weight of load out.
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oh lord....not something I would recommend.
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There is no such thing as 'gravity' ! It's MASS.
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Gravity or mass, they can both bite your ass.
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Do you have to wear a hard hat while driving it?
what not to do is get a John deere backhoe, jeez just look at that useless thing.
lol....so what brand do you prefer? We happened to love it.
@@HeavyMetalLearning a huddig, or a lännen, a machine with some actual power in it.
Cat or Komatsu for me. I hate john deere stuff.