I appreciate all your learning videos. I am currently in Heavy Equipment School and I enjoy watching your videos and trying new techniques at school. Makes me look great in front of the teacher. Thank you.
One thing I was taught is when you are digging on a slope, keep the backhoe arm turned toward the uphill side for some extra weight to prevent a rollover accident.
I'm watching these to renew what I may have known 30 years ago growing up on a row crop farm and using an older JD backhoe. Now I'm working on a new homestead, clearing land and just inherited a Case 580. Totally different controls, and no where as modern as the one you are demoing, but great material to refresh on. Only note is, at least on a farm, these "not the best" machines are ubiquitous. They are the best machines for the needs, being versatile with two machines in one. Better than a single function machine in that function, of course not. Specialists are always better, in that narrow specialty, but nothing to diss. Highly capable, much better than a plain tractor with weaker loader and 3-point backhoe.
Totally agree. those tiny backhoes / regular tractors are toys compaired to a full size backhoe. I got a case 580 too! (super K), and just a homeowner with a small 5 acres. Mostly using the backhoe on a small 1-2 acres as the rest is very wooded. Being my first earth digging machine, I have learned a lot about its use similar to yours. Its def not the best for many uses, but I still can get my jobs done. I almost would say in hindsight, a mini ex and a skid steer would have been a way better combo for me, but the problem is I have some heavy machinery that I need to move around and the skid steer/mini ex combo would just have been a lot more expensive than what I bought my 580 for... Maybe I'll buy a mini excavator in the future and use the hoe for loader work.
@@tylerhall6455 I'm in the same situation. My Case 580SE is my go-to machine when heavy digging or lifting is required. Love that old, beat up, leaky machine.
My Case 580SE is an old, leaky machine but it still is a very productive machine on my little property. Can dig as deep as I need to go, can lift just about anything, and will plow snow effortlessly. I love it and should really show it some more love by fixing the leaks and worn pins. However, I did this year rebuild the shuttle hydrostat system. What a chore but so much better now.
The key to digging on a slope is backing up at a 45 degree angle so your front bucket is flat on the ground. Maybe go as far as just getting the uphill rear tire up on the slope. Way more stable and productive.
Yes, this. I almost always trench on an angle, given I have the space to do so, even on flat ground for better visibility. Then when I push myself back I make sure the front tires are parallel with the trench line that way the pivot point of the back hoe stays centred on the trench line while the machine is angled.
@@returnofthemac416 I haven’t even attempted that before, usually because I crawl from the backhoe position and don’t push too much. Get tip tho, makes total sense.
Something that is VERY important on a backhoe is to NEVER let the front end of the machine be too much lower than the back for more than a few seconds. The deepest part of the engine oil pan on most ,not all, engines is towards the back of the machine. If the rear of the machine is high enough to let the oil sump of the engine be emptied to the front , as when you backed up the steep hill, the engine can run dry of oil. Not all brands or model years of backhoe are like this but it is VERY important to be aware of while operating one.
I have a JCB 214S with 4WD and 4 wheel steering and all of the tires are the same size, just a bit smaller than the rear tire on your JD. The large tires up front are great, there is very little need to worry hitting a soft spot as you suggested in the JD when all four tires are big and same size. I don't know why more designs do not implement all four wheels to be the same size, except cost I guess. Cheers from Canada.
When parking at the end of the day, make sure to park all equipment for fueling and lube access. If parking in line with other equipment, all fuel tanks should be on the same side, out riggers down, bucket should be set for proper hydraulic tank fluid level ( some equipment have diagrams by hydraulic tank).
Thank you for the side hill part. In my ford 555 any little side hill feels like it's going to roll compare to my other tractors. But you where at much more of an angle then I have been on and where OK.
That's the thing about backhoes, you sit so high up every degree of angle seems drastic. Ends up being very exaggerated, just slow and careful is the best way. No work and possibly injured isn't getting the job done faster, that's for damn sure.
What about when you have an old beat up 4 stick that swings at your feet(its missing an outrigger as well)and I have to pull concrete slabs that runs in low idle bc it'll leak oil otherwise...not many videos I could find on this lol..pray for me please..can't wait for this job tomorrow
Didn't know about the trick to use floating bucket when flattening, thanks! I really need to train raking, hard since moving the stick and boom at the same time is difficult. It is almost as if the controls are mutually exclusive. Just bought my first backhoe, an old Case 580G from early 80:s.
I just ran one on a job site for the first time. Been practicing for weeks but at this job site it’s totally different than the training yard. Their machine doesn’t have an automatic level for the bucket. I keep having trouble staying parallel with the ground to get a nice clean cut
What gear is recommended when pushing or scooping loads when using the 4-in-1 bucket? I heard 1st gear, but some say 2nd or 3rd gear. Just trying to know which gear is less stress on the transmission for that purpose.
Great Training Video. I was always told the the extend a hoe was to put the spoil pile further away from the trench to prevent the side of the trench from collapsing in.
I actually will use it like a giant stabilizer on the downhill side and keep it curled flat and right on top of the ground, now this all depending on circumstances of course
Nice video. Should also show how to cross a trench using the bucket and hoe to suspend the machine as you push yourself over the trench. . Or lifting the back end over and existing trench using the hoe...
Why full throttle? You should be able to use the hoe at 2000 rpm max. Also, your stick is stronger with the extend-a-hoe sucked in. Why dig fully extended if you don't need too. Just puts unnecessary stress on the extend-a-hoe stick.
Thank goodness for these videos. Like I learned new things and got tips for things I'm struggling with! Started operating a cat rubbertire at work and I'm getting it but there's always room for improvement! P.s. everyone here seems so helpful and nice lol so strange for a TH-cam comment section
I operate a 580 case 2018 with 4 in bucket in the oilfield maybe do a video with a case its a little different than deere and you can do a lot more with a 4 and 1 bucket
I found out the backhoe I bought had a 4 in 1 after I agreed to buy it for the price. So was like "bonus!" also found out someone welded a trailer ball inside the bucket (you use it by opening the 4 way) and a hook. Mine's also a crawler, so gives me more of a dozer feel when opening the bucket
You can also use the hoe bucket to set on the low side slightly off the ground to drive off the slope as a longer stabilizer, managing the bucket and driving to the safest slope angle so you can store the hoe bucket as normal
One thing I think you should do different. Never trust emergency brake, you should have your foot on service brake pedals, reach back and put your stabilizers down first, then spin around in your chair, same thing when pulling up, turn forward first, foot on brake, lift up stabilizers. Especially in hilly or wet conditions, more than once I've seen a machine not hold and then your facing backwards as the machine takes of sliding or emergency brake doesn't hold.
No wonder why most backhoes out there have a lot of play on the swing thanks to guys like this, 6" to a foot at a time? more like start at 3" and finish 12" "wow" how is that going to stay flat you have to start at 3" and finish at 3"
Not the ideal machine for me to work but it's good to have the knowledge of it because I would use it on a job if that's where they want me great video and tips.
I gotta dig u drain today with a 310. I’m a pretty good loader/ track loader and dozer operator, but never really dug at all. Getting thrown into something I want nothing to do with
Great tips for a beginner , not so useful for an experienced operator. In my opinion you never go up a hill in reverse, the tires are derectional so you get most of the transaction going forward! You are better off loading the bucket with a load of dirt to go up a hill secessfuly!
Fair point....but I would say for a standard dry surface the direction of those treads wouldn't matter much, it would be more about the weight displacement from going up in reverse. Thanks for the comment though....good thing to mention about tread direction.
Definitely, and with a full bucket you'll never tip backwards. Also if by chance you do spin the wheels and can't make it up you can use the hoe bucket to push you up by using the boom and swing arm in conjunction with forward on the wheels. Not as strong as pulling with the bucket but works just the same
@@joely1679 that's awesome, I'm not a full time operator but have done plumbing for over 20 years. My boss would have me run the machines instead of subbing the digging out, picked up a few tricks with some seat time. But I've always loved the big machines ever since I was little, my mom said when I was as young as 4 years old she could sit me by the guys running the machines and I'd sit there for hours just watching them work lol. I vaguely remember it as well
@@martyfest6120 that's a great story , and one that I can relate to ! I used to watch the big boys operate equipment when I was young ,never thought I would do it for a living one day . 28 plus years later I still enjoy operating a backhoe every day !
Why would you spoil uphill? That just adds unnecessary weight to the highest wall of your trench. Also, spoiling at the bottom, you could more easily backfill with the front bucket. Secondly, if you lower your stabilizers first on a slope, you can get yourself more level, then set the front bucket down.
I was thinking this also & agree with ur reasoning, but as he & another commenter said from a machinery class teacher, it is about keeping the backhoe from rolling over with a bucket full of dirt on maybe unstable ground, moistish or something like that, I get it what they are on about, but I think this is also where practice and knowing ur machine and its abilities (& ur own) plays a key role in how safe & efficiently one can work. Agree on ur 2nd count also, stabilise first, then bucket down.
@@Storrmblast I’ve had my 1985 John Deere 510b for 13 years, doesn’t have an extended arm but I’m sure John Deere specifically designed it to break as soon as you extend it. First of all. Reason it out. How exactly does it become weaker, the bucket is connected to the same beam regardless of whether it’s in or out. Same thickness, same strength. The hydraulics don’t have nearly the strength to break the arm. The hydraulics have a thing called a pressure relief valve the prevents your hydraulics from breaking anything. As for wearing out the pivot pin quicker, that has some merit to it but if you keep a tidy greasing schedule that will mitigate that.
@@HeavyMetalLearning Load the Bucket with dirt and go uphill, don't back up, you won't make it your back tires will spin out. Plus you fall in a soft spot with the hole going up hill the bucket will catch you, going up backwards you have nothing to catch you and can turn over! ..it sucks to tell the boss you flipped the hoe in a woodchuck hole, on a hillside.
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People who get to operate Backhoes and Excavators for a living have the best job in the world, and I envy them.
It gets old after yrs of doing it not the best job at all 😅
Thanks for your comments
If you're good you can make agreat living
Why dont you do it then?
I appreciate all your learning videos. I am currently in Heavy Equipment School and I enjoy watching your videos and trying new techniques at school. Makes me look great in front of the teacher. Thank you.
One thing I was taught is when you are digging on a slope, keep the backhoe arm turned toward the uphill side for some extra weight to prevent a rollover accident.
I'm watching these to renew what I may have known 30 years ago growing up on a row crop farm and using an older JD backhoe. Now I'm working on a new homestead, clearing land and just inherited a Case 580. Totally different controls, and no where as modern as the one you are demoing, but great material to refresh on. Only note is, at least on a farm, these "not the best" machines are ubiquitous. They are the best machines for the needs, being versatile with two machines in one. Better than a single function machine in that function, of course not. Specialists are always better, in that narrow specialty, but nothing to diss. Highly capable, much better than a plain tractor with weaker loader and 3-point backhoe.
Totally agree. those tiny backhoes / regular tractors are toys compaired to a full size backhoe. I got a case 580 too! (super K), and just a homeowner with a small 5 acres. Mostly using the backhoe on a small 1-2 acres as the rest is very wooded. Being my first earth digging machine, I have learned a lot about its use similar to yours. Its def not the best for many uses, but I still can get my jobs done. I almost would say in hindsight, a mini ex and a skid steer would have been a way better combo for me, but the problem is I have some heavy machinery that I need to move around and the skid steer/mini ex combo would just have been a lot more expensive than what I bought my 580 for... Maybe I'll buy a mini excavator in the future and use the hoe for loader work.
@@tylerhall6455 I'm in the same situation. My Case 580SE is my go-to machine when heavy digging or lifting is required. Love that old, beat up, leaky machine.
My Case 580SE is an old, leaky machine but it still is a very productive machine on my little property. Can dig as deep as I need to go, can lift just about anything, and will plow snow effortlessly. I love it and should really show it some more love by fixing the leaks and worn pins. However, I did this year rebuild the shuttle hydrostat system. What a chore but so much better now.
This was great, thank you! I rolled my sub compact tractor, and have since been really gun shy on slopes. The angle here was good to see.
The key to digging on a slope is backing up at a 45 degree angle so your front bucket is flat on the ground. Maybe go as far as just getting the uphill rear tire up on the slope. Way more stable and productive.
Interesting...thanks for sharing!
Yeah no kidding. Not sure why they are teaching like this
Yes, this. I almost always trench on an angle, given I have the space to do so, even on flat ground for better visibility. Then when I push myself back I make sure the front tires are parallel with the trench line that way the pivot point of the back hoe stays centred on the trench line while the machine is angled.
Agreed but in this specific example this way works just fine and is more time efficient as you can just move forward.
@@returnofthemac416 I haven’t even attempted that before, usually because I crawl from the backhoe position and don’t push too much. Get tip tho, makes total sense.
Something that is VERY important on a backhoe is to NEVER let the front end of the machine be too much lower than the back for more than a few seconds. The deepest part of the engine oil pan on most ,not all, engines is towards the back of the machine. If the rear of the machine is high enough to let the oil sump of the engine be emptied to the front , as when you backed up the steep hill, the engine can run dry of oil. Not all brands or model years of backhoe are like this but it is VERY important to be aware of while operating one.
Buy them a ice tea or something they deserve alot of credit your service is deeply appreciated thanks take care. Joe
My grandpa owned one of the first backhoes ever made & operated for over 75 years. I hope to be just like him one day & I'm 52 years old now
JCB... ?
I always rotate my backhoe to the uphill side when driving on a a slope. Just makes me feel a bit more secure
I have a JCB 214S with 4WD and 4 wheel steering and all of the tires are the same size, just a bit smaller than the rear tire on your JD. The large tires up front are great, there is very little need to worry hitting a soft spot as you suggested in the JD when all four tires are big and same size. I don't know why more designs do not implement all four wheels to be the same size, except cost I guess. Cheers from Canada.
Yeah...not sure on the engineering on why one vs the other. Would imagine it does reduce some visibility with the larger ones
Thanks as always Extreme Sandbox!!!
You’re welcome!
When parking at the end of the day, make sure to park all equipment for fueling and lube access. If parking in line with other equipment, all fuel tanks should be on the same side, out riggers down, bucket should be set for proper hydraulic tank fluid level ( some equipment have diagrams by hydraulic tank).
Thank you for the side hill part. In my ford 555 any little side hill feels like it's going to roll compare to my other tractors. But you where at much more of an angle then I have been on and where OK.
Yeah...need to be careful, but they can take fairly decent angles.
Keep your rear boom swung uphill on the slope
That's the thing about backhoes, you sit so high up every degree of angle seems drastic. Ends up being very exaggerated, just slow and careful is the best way. No work and possibly injured isn't getting the job done faster, that's for damn sure.
This so nice am a biginner and am enjoying these videos
These videos helped me when I got jobs driving a forklift the first time, as well as a skid steer and backhoe
What about tire rolling your trench for compaction?
What about when you have an old beat up 4 stick that swings at your feet(its missing an outrigger as well)and I have to pull concrete slabs that runs in low idle bc it'll leak oil otherwise...not many videos I could find on this lol..pray for me please..can't wait for this job tomorrow
Didn't know about the trick to use floating bucket when flattening, thanks! I really need to train raking, hard since moving the stick and boom at the same time is difficult. It is almost as if the controls are mutually exclusive. Just bought my first backhoe, an old Case 580G from early 80:s.
thanks for the comment
I just ran one on a job site for the first time. Been practicing for weeks but at this job site it’s totally different than the training yard. Their machine doesn’t have an automatic level for the bucket. I keep having trouble staying parallel with the ground to get a nice clean cut
What gear is recommended when pushing or scooping loads when using the 4-in-1 bucket? I heard 1st gear, but some say 2nd or 3rd gear. Just trying to know which gear is less stress on the transmission for that purpose.
Nice video! I really wish I could operate a backhoe.
Maybe some day
@@HeavyMetalLearning yeah
Rent one and get some
Practice.
Great Training Video. I was always told the the extend a hoe was to put the spoil pile further away from the trench to prevent the side of the trench from collapsing in.
On a slope... keep your backhoe boom swung to the up hill side or even swung and tilted downward or stretched out.
Thanks for the info.
I actually will use it like a giant stabilizer on the downhill side and keep it curled flat and right on top of the ground, now this all depending on circumstances of course
Awesome training, am catching up
thanks!
Nice video. Should also show how to cross a trench using the bucket and hoe to suspend the machine as you push yourself over the trench. . Or lifting the back end over and existing trench using the hoe...
Good tip...we’ll see if we can do in a future video.
Why do you extend the arm and boom all the way out when digging? Doesn’t that add tension?
Some great tips guys. Thanks
thanks
One tip for backfill would be flip the loader bucket over and back drag the spoil pile over the ditch in float.
perfect
Why full throttle?
You should be able to use the hoe at 2000 rpm max.
Also, your stick is stronger with the extend-a-hoe sucked in. Why dig fully extended if you don't need too. Just puts unnecessary stress on the extend-a-hoe stick.
Boy, do I miss being in a backhoe.
Thank goodness for these videos. Like I learned new things and got tips for things I'm struggling with! Started operating a cat rubbertire at work and I'm getting it but there's always room for improvement!
P.s. everyone here seems so helpful and nice lol so strange for a TH-cam comment section
I operate a 580 case 2018 with 4 in bucket in the oilfield maybe do a video with a case its a little different than deere and you can do a lot more with a 4 and 1 bucket
I found out the backhoe I bought had a 4 in 1 after I agreed to buy it for the price. So was like "bonus!"
also found out someone welded a trailer ball inside the bucket (you use it by opening the 4 way) and a hook. Mine's also a crawler, so gives me more of a dozer feel when opening the bucket
thank you very much sir , for your good in a backhoe/loader tutorial.
You can also use the hoe bucket to set on the low side slightly off the ground to drive off the slope as a longer stabilizer, managing the bucket and driving to the safest slope angle so you can store the hoe bucket as normal
I did something like that the first time I unloaded my old john Deere 2010 crawler, because the brakes don't really work
Excellent video! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
THAT'S BASIC TIPS. IS THERE ANY ADVANCED TIP YOU CAN SHARE??
One thing I think you should do different. Never trust emergency brake, you should have your foot on service brake pedals, reach back and put your stabilizers down first, then spin around in your chair, same thing when pulling up, turn forward first, foot on brake, lift up stabilizers. Especially in hilly or wet conditions, more than once I've seen a machine not hold and then your facing backwards as the machine takes of sliding or emergency brake doesn't hold.
n mine, the parking break is just a lock that locks the service brakes on. But mine is tracked from the 60s
That combo backhoe has a white leveler for your front bucket. On your right outside of the windshield, can’t miss it.
I usually use the auto leveler for the front bucket cause those white lines youre talking about are sometimes off for some reason..lol
Is there a video that shows how to move the machine sideways. Like I want to dig a square.
I'm so happy teacher.
What happens when you reverse up the slope and have to go all the way over? When you go down the other side, wont it tilt back on the ass real hard?
This was really helpful
Thank you for showing, i learned.
No wonder why most backhoes out there have a lot of play on the swing thanks to guys like this, 6" to a foot at a time? more like start at 3" and finish 12" "wow" how is that going to stay flat you have to start at 3" and finish at 3"
If u can do better make your own video
Not the ideal machine for me to work but it's good to have the knowledge of it because I would use it on a job if that's where they want me great video and tips.
I gotta dig u drain today with a 310. I’m a pretty good loader/ track loader and dozer operator, but never really dug at all. Getting thrown into something I want nothing to do with
Great video !
Good job teacher 👍👍
Good job & thanks for sharing this info
What about looking for existing lines and not to break them?¿?
It's probably assumed you did one call before turning the machine on
Learning machine is good for people in the developing countries
Thank you.
thank you!
Great! I thank you
Great tips for a beginner , not so useful for an experienced operator. In my opinion you never go up a hill in reverse, the tires are derectional so you get most of the transaction going forward! You are better off loading the bucket with a load of dirt to go up a hill secessfuly!
Fair point....but I would say for a standard dry surface the direction of those treads wouldn't matter much, it would be more about the weight displacement from going up in reverse. Thanks for the comment though....good thing to mention about tread direction.
Definitely, and with a full bucket you'll never tip backwards. Also if by chance you do spin the wheels and can't make it up you can use the hoe bucket to push you up by using the boom and swing arm in conjunction with forward on the wheels. Not as strong as pulling with the bucket but works just the same
@@martyfest6120 yes sir . Works for me . Been on a deere backhoe since 1993.
@@joely1679 that's awesome, I'm not a full time operator but have done plumbing for over 20 years. My boss would have me run the machines instead of subbing the digging out, picked up a few tricks with some seat time. But I've always loved the big machines ever since I was little, my mom said when I was as young as 4 years old she could sit me by the guys running the machines and I'd sit there for hours just watching them work lol. I vaguely remember it as well
@@martyfest6120 that's a great story , and one that I can relate to ! I used to watch the big boys operate equipment when I was young ,never thought I would do it for a living one day . 28 plus years later I still enjoy operating a backhoe every day !
Nice vid. I need more throttle.
Turn the hoe to the uphill side of a slope, is helpful for not tipping over on a slope.
Thanks man classic 😏
3:10 don't back into those power lines boss!
You should curl your bucket up while scooping material while also pulling up like you were doing
Top muito bom amei
"make sure your seatbelt is on" looks at my 1965 John Deere 2010 crawler backhoe with a cookie sheet as a seat, "how?"
Man i literally drive my backho forward up hills all the time
What if you r making a road up the hill
Probably wanting to grade a less of a slope and or different machine?
Why would you spoil uphill? That just adds unnecessary weight to the highest wall of your trench. Also, spoiling at the bottom, you could more easily backfill with the front bucket.
Secondly, if you lower your stabilizers first on a slope, you can get yourself more level, then set the front bucket down.
I was thinking this also & agree with ur reasoning, but as he & another commenter said from a machinery class teacher, it is about keeping the backhoe from rolling over with a bucket full of dirt on maybe unstable ground, moistish or something like that, I get it what they are on about, but I think this is also where practice and knowing ur machine and its abilities (& ur own) plays a key role in how safe & efficiently one can work. Agree on ur 2nd count also, stabilise first, then bucket down.
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Thanks
hello am operator but i want you to teach me how operate the dozer
Loading the loader bucket adds counter weight to operate the hoe
L’extension doit entrer en premier, avant d’arriver prêt de la machine.
Never do heavy work when the extendahoe is fully stretched, you’ll wear it out quicker and risk breaking the arm
good tip...thanks for sharing!
Yeah I’m sure that arm is fragile like glass as soon as it’s extended.
@@russianacorns8080 have you ran a backhoe for 5 years? Any competent operators know that being fully extended and doing heavy work is just bad
@@Storrmblast I’ve had my 1985 John Deere 510b for 13 years, doesn’t have an extended arm but I’m sure John Deere specifically designed it to break as soon as you extend it. First of all. Reason it out. How exactly does it become weaker, the bucket is connected to the same beam regardless of whether it’s in or out. Same thickness, same strength. The hydraulics don’t have nearly the strength to break the arm. The hydraulics have a thing called a pressure relief valve the prevents your hydraulics from breaking anything. As for wearing out the pivot pin quicker, that has some merit to it but if you keep a tidy greasing schedule that will mitigate that.
Your right. Extend a ho is for light duty stuff.
John Deere look a great Machine. But I think JCB are far superior.
Yes scary here I had no training. 🤔 obvious though like don't want to roll the tractor.
Backhoes arent that unstable i whip the 580 super ns like ricky bobby just know your limits
Digging with extanda boom out is amateur at best. Hard on the machine as well
U should know 90% of the time u got no room
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Obviously Not a backhoe operator, some definite bad practices
Ummmm...care to share? Easy to criticize....tougher to teach
@@HeavyMetalLearning Load the Bucket with dirt and go uphill, don't back up, you won't make it your back tires will spin out.
Plus you fall in a soft spot with the hole going up hill the bucket will catch you, going up backwards you have nothing to catch you and can turn over!
..it sucks to tell the boss you flipped the hoe in a woodchuck hole, on a hillside.
I spy no seatbelt. Safety third my man.
He has the seat belt on daaaaa
I want to do the REGISTRATION so if you can get your number thank