Basically "Andy" and "Ley Ley" will die. If they remain "Andy" and "Ley Ley", they will kill each other. If they become Andrew and Ashley, "Andy" and "Ley Ley" will cease to exist. And thus the game is "The coffin of Andy and Ley Ley." Sneaky little developers. They went and put the plot in the title.
I almost got the feeling that in the burial route they’re going to die anyway. In the first ep Andrew talks about how jumping off a roof together would be romantic in the sense that both your bodies will have to be buried together. Since the title of the ending is called “burial ending” I feel like they’re going to be in a situation where they’re going to jump off a ledge and commit suicide together
@@taylorlipinski4048 "Burial" is an implication that Andrew and Ashley start burying their past selfs "Andy and Leyley" in order to move on and grow, as Andrew wanted in ep 1 when he asked Ashley to stop using their nicknames and that "Andy and Leyley should die here (in the apartment) so we (Andrew and Ashley) can move on", while in contrast "Decay" shows the opposite of the Burial route where the relationship between them becomes worse and escalates in a bad way, even so Ashley is warned by the apparently tragic visions and may try to change that somehow, as she could change the vision where they got killed by the hitman. Ultimately the game foreshadows a lot of endings in Decay (and Burial too), so the ending where they jump off the balcony can become a sub ending or a random ending that happens during ep 3 by triggering certain events, still, Burial route focuses on how mentally deranged their relationship can become, goes beyond the moral ethics and toxicity, inseparable and miserable, but perhaps it's how it goes if they manage to survive on their own and put up with each other's crap.
I don't know if this has sense or not but, i think it would be cool if in one ending they will cross their path with the cultist again maybe ending to became a cult leader o in a opposite way the risk to became scarifice. (sorry for the bad writing english is not my native language)
The contrast of Andrew in decay being just completely done with Ashley and actually becoming scarier and more dominant then her vs him becoming more like a confidant and them goofing around while disposing of bodies and him rejecting Andy nickname more playfully or less hostile in Burial route. Altrough if you ask me one of them or both is always in denial depending on a route. Because he's Andy again, a new improved and rebooted (because tv show joke) version of Andy. The only thing is this Andy either the greatest threat to LeyLey or her new chance at her show revival unless she screws it all again.
This is very on point yes. It's interesting how Andrew will turn to be determine a huge chunk of the story. I hope there's going to be the an arc for Ashley just to put a bit more of balancing act on how she's been from the start.
One thing that i noticed is while Ashley does the no response like “……………..” Andrew on the other hand has them randomly cutting of like “… .. . …… . .. .”
The fucked up thing is, the only *happy* ending (depends on how you define happy ending) I can see for them ends with them fully embracing the psycho and being an incestuous cannibal murder couple. At one point I thought Andrew had a chance away from Ashley but part 2 revealed to me that he absolutely has the same feelings for her and is just as if not more fucked up, he's just been able to repress the feelings to an "extent" (see him asking his girlfriend to wear her hair like Ashley..). They're so co-dependent I don't expect either to go on living very long if the other dies regardless of which path is taken.
Either they both are gonna die happily together, or one takes out another and finds out they depend on eachother so much that they simply cant live without eachother and, whichever one is standing alive will off themselves too. Either way, they're probably gonna die. It's just a matter of dying together or dying seperately.
@@eballs6350 Yeah I agree, I'd be super surprised if there is an ending where one or both is alive and about dying happy together... You could view Andrew's "romantic" jumping scenario in their apartment as foreshadowing.
@@helmutstein1178 Yup and in that dream when you can listen to the voicemail that Ashley left, since that is in Andrew's subconscious I don't believe that he ever actually heard any of them and those are HIS FEELINGS he's hearing.
never noticed that.... the interactions are alot more hostile, and the environment between the two is heavy in decay, but in burial, they are friendly and teasing, getting closer. Based dev, always giving us these details
@@Flopamine Now that I think about it, has anyone appeared in this game who is mentally and morally healthy? Because until now everyone sucks, the protagonists simply seem the most hardcore to us for canivalism and incest lmao The world literally sounds like it encourages you to commit suicide just to laugh at you XDXDXD
@@Aural4444 Nina and Julia don't seem to be bad people, all they did was having a crush on Andrew then one died and one got bullied to almost yeet herself. But since everything about them was shown through Ashley and Andrew's flasback or nightmare, we can't tell if Nina and Julia have their own dark sides yet, fans are hoping that Julia will show up in chapter 3 but oh boi, there will be outrage if Julia turns out be to one of the few saints in their world then got killed somehow by the Graves offsprings, i can already imagine Andrew and Ashley somehow encounter Julia cuz in chapter 1, they killed the people who kept them in the coffin, in chapter 2, they killed the people who gave birth to them, now it won't be a surprise if they go after their old friends and foes. Besides those few friends that Andrew and Ashley used to have, the cultists are quite chill too, except for the cultist neighbor in chapter 1 cuz that guy wanted someone dead.
@@Flopamine The only bad thing I saw about Nina and Julia was that they basically only became "friends" with Ashley to date Andrew, which sucks but doesn't justify murder or harassment lmao. And I don't think they will go after Julia in the future, since the only reason they went after the parents was their money and the possibility that the parents would expose them in the future to police or who hired the hit-man, revenge is a tertiary dish for our sinful sibilings XD The only reason I can think for them to kill Julia is if Andrew felt like meeting her again (which we saw in the dream isn´t the case) since it would activate Ashley's jealousy and she would do a "her or me" situation again, another would be that Julia met them by chance on the street and greeted them, which would be a mix of "she would rat us out to the police" and Ashley's jealousy. But I could be wrong, we'll see
i think that the reason we see two paths in ashley's dream is that one path is ashley's (surprisingly the sane path: her desire is that andy stays with her, so long as he stays she doesn't want much else) while one is andrew's (the insane path. it's been made pretty clear that andrew is DEFINITELY attracted to his sister, so much so that he always looks like he's restraining himself from crossing the line (ex. touching her ass, always being super touchy, even as "andy" he almost goes in for a kiss, HE NEVER DENIES NOT BEING ATTRACTED TO HER WHEN HIS MOM ASKS IF HE'S FUCKING HER, *ASKING HIS GIRLFRIEND TO PUT UP HER HAIR LIKE ASHLEY*), while ashley is only willing to go in that direction if it guarantees his staying. i have a pet theory that the reason she has a cleavage is bc she learned that he's more willing to do what she does when she looks like that). i think that that's why the demon invited him to the dream.
The part with Andrew askin for his gf to tie her hair up in a ponytail got me f-ed up on sight, like these 2 emojis mixed together: 🤨😳 I really like your comment!
Oh wait i didint think it was Andrew's vision. I didnt realise he was attracted to her sister as much as Ashley attracted to him...did i understand the other way around? damn! Edit: I came across a video of Andrew's sus moments and apparently i missed a lot of subtle details that Andrew is indeed into his sister or along that route. Completely change my view of this story lmao.
@@sholandosmiguelito6508 that's what's interesting! contrary to popular belief, ashley's not the one pushing for romance! i wouldn't say that she's "attracted" to him, but i DO think that she doesn't mind it if that's what she has to do to get him to stay. and CLEARLY, it WOULD get him to stay.
Actually, in the vision with Andrew and Ashley we can see the future of what happens, depending on which side we pick. If we pick the right (sane) side, then the pictures go from left to right. Andy and Ley are happy together, but then Andy meets up with his ex, and Ley is heartbroken. If we choose the left, then the pictures go from right to left. Andy and her ex break up for good, Ley is happy, then they find love for each other and... Well you know
Also a little add up to it. Same path is actually explains the episode title demon gives her “LeyLey and LeyLey alone” and she collects ghosts in a jar in this path, maybe she will go on murder spree because he left her or even “pulls off Kotonoha” so to speak?
Nah, i think it's more about redeeming herself Maybe collecting the souls she sacrificed to set them free? One is clearly the mother. (The last soul) It's clearly seen as the "Good" route in my eyes. Honestly now i find it questionable if i should choose that over the insane one... i love some yandere jealousy love stories if Andy meets up with his ex @@mrksimka1159
What a Macbeth situation this all is... Either Andrew is getting really fed up/and Ashley is rolling in her control Or they're either really in tune together in a really messed up way ...this wont end well either way
@@Superniryeah exactly in both versions she’s loosing her grip on him but in case of one of scenarios it’s actually beneficial to her in a long run but she’s too self centered too see😂
Shouldn't imagine a good ending now cuz whatever happens to them next will certainly be finding more souls for the demon. Let's say they somehow make peace with each other, they still have to find and sacrifice people for souls and that's gonna become a problem, we also don't know much about demons in their world yet cuz clearly the demon in the cultist club looks hella powerful than the one Ashley and Andrew knows.
@@Flopamine if they're still being chased/on the run (which ofc they are) then yeah🥲 Like the tragedy voyeurs that we are, I cant wait to see what will happen
K so here’s how I see this, what it looks like is that there will be a romance ending, obviously this means that they will forever be together This looks to be the Good but “technically” Bad Ending. Good because their relationship strengthened in the end to the point we’re they both trust each other fully and are both happy with each other. Bad because this also means Andrew fully embraces corruption like Ashley, Ashley will never learn independence from Andrew and Andrew will now officially be fully entertaining and accept the Co-Dependency problem and will be ok with it.. The Sane ending is kinda tricky as there was no vision but however the fact that in order to get this ending, in the puzzle you have to place the Sun over Andrew and Ashley’s Plushy Frame on the left with the moon and stars, the broken heart over Ashley’s plush in the frame on the right and putting the heart over Andrew and what looks like Julia’s plushy in the frame on the right. It looks like Ashley will finally but somewhat regrettably let Andrew go and have his relationships with other women and deciding to just be siblings with him as they’re supposed to be.. If ending is real then this is the Overall Complete Good Ending, Their relationship strengthens to the point were Andrew, and or (possibly) Julia successfully convinces Ashley or Ashley convinces herself to end the blood oath and finally stop the Co dependency madness and madness in general. Andrew’s happy, Julia’s happy, and Ashley’s happy for Andrew and she will have a normal relationship with him going forward as siblings (Sun), but sad for herself? (Broken Heart) which might get better overtime?? And who knows they both might actually be able to live a normal life? The Decay Ending is Clearly the Bad but “technically” Good ending. Bad because their relationship completely falls apart beyond repair, their situation worsens to the point of no escape and Andrew gives up on Ashley and seemingly himself and their situation of survival as he kills her and himself or just gets himself killed by her (If the gun still has rounds and she chooses to kill him)... Technically Good only because the co dependency, corruption, manipulation, murder, and overall madness finally stops even though they had to die in order for it to happen. Basically all in short, the world will be in a slightly better place now that they are dead and won’t be sacrificing anymore people to the demon and eating them and etc.
Absolutely fantastic edit for the story branches, I've seen videos like this for other games such as Undertale, and this one's clarity, subtitling, and editing are perfect. Can't imagine it done better, appreciate it
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I think ashleys vision when she takes the sane route burial is foreshadowing how many more kills shes gonna get and how this is shown is when she is collecting the souls
despite her being an undebatably awful person who abuses and manipulates Andrew, the frame at 49:35 actually kinda makes me feel kinda sorry for Ashley since she really does love him, yet he absolutely hates her and even himself.
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5 I’m no psychologist but, I think a “psycho’s” love is just horrifically messed up. So, even if a “psycho” did “love” somebody, it wouldn’t make them normal. Hopefully, I’m explaining this in a way that is understandable.
Ashley thinks Andrew hates her. Which is why she thinks she needs something to keep him with her, be it helping him sleep or literally having sex. She can't comprehend that he likes her.
The interesting thing is that while Ashley seems to prefer being around Andrew in the Burial route she either hasn't gotten used to him or she outright knows that there's something wrong with her brother (which is probably true given the last part of the route) while in the Decay route she can control his actions in the present but won't be able to in the future so by that point Ashleys only choice would be to die by Andrews hands or kill him by her own.
I dont know if it means something but since in the two paths theres different ending scenes that one shows a eye in andrews hand and other one showing a cleaver I think that my mean something for the episode 3 I guess?
In burial route, it seems that demon marked him to find him easier like how it finds Ashley by using the trinket. While in decay, the picture of a cleaver, pack of cigarette and lighter implies that their relationship will go down hill or stuck and can't escape the loop of killing, sacrificing people to the demon or probably something worse.
@@Flopamine Yeah those actually makes sense honestly, I'm really excited to see what happens next. I would really feel bad seeing andrew and ashley having a bad relationship at all
Honestly burial route kitchen scene made me lose it lmao, Andrew has a great sense of humor, shame Ashley doesn’t appreciate him poking fun at mistakes too!
Oh, the irony. In burial the two seem so happy and comfortable with one another, yet Andrew has that mark on his hand that shows the Demon probably claimed his sould as a future sacrifice or possession. Meanwhile in decay, their relation is getting worse. Andrew is snapping more at Ashley and clearly not willing to let her push him around. There won't be a demon involved, but Andrew is clearly going to get tired of Ashley's bullshit by the end of this and off her and then himself.
I love the fact that developer literally left the incest decision to the players. The routes we chose are briefly: a1: Her's manipulative personality harms Andrew and when he cannot stand it, he kills Ashle and then himself. (In this ending, it is seen that the two siblings still care about each other) a2: Ashley kills Andrew with her selfishness. b: Ashley is reducing or giving up her obsession with Andrew. c: Ashley, with the help of the devil (because Andrew had a birthmark later), controls Andrew's brain and feelings and attracts him to herself. It ensures that his eyes only see Ashle. It's smart to only offer this as an option to players when making the c ending.
Umm no, the demon mark had nothing to do with Ashley. In fact it's just implied that that's the demon's way of allowing him into the demon world without the Talisman(Nemlei has even teased a scene of them in the dreamworld together in the next chapter). Andrew's always had that attraction, he just tried to deny it(which is outright stated in chapter 2 and they make it very clear that he was only with Julia to distract himself from that fact). The actual point is that Andrew is a sociopath just like Ashley(though even worse as the friendship one directly show that his soul is also a tar soul and is in fact even worse than Ashley's), and the mark showed up shortly after both the demon expressed desire to meet with Andrew in that world and Andrew stopped hiding his sociopathy, which has been heavily hinted at throughout both chapters. Overall I do't get why people blame Ashley for how Andrew ends up in that route, it's really just how Andrew is when he isn't trying to gaslight himself and those around him into thinking he's normal, Ashley didn't mind control Andrew in any route nor did he break outside of Decay
Honestly Andrew is more scarier than Ashley Like he has the same obsession Ashley has with him just in a more controlling way he knows how to hide and maintain a facade better while leyley is more of a psycho brute :v u know what I mean? Like in decay u can see how he decide to say hidden until he can snap Ashley neck cause he want to stay in his little bubble that his not a crazy biatch to, while in burial we can see how he’s accepting he’s fvcked up too and he starts embracing leyley and the idea of what they are and can be 😏🥵💀💀💀 Nah I’m just kidding (maybe) My point is that he starts seeing her as a team instead of a bitch treating him like a puppet or a dog or whatever he thinks
The last time when people been looking for game details as thoroughly was with Deltarune chapters. And it took entire community to find them. Nice job, keep it going!
andrew is an interesting character because his priority has always been to keep himself safe he doesn't fear the crime itself but the consequences .Ironically ashley 'killed' her 'andy' the moment she laughed at him for giving in to her and not stopping her from killing her childhood friend ... she created this or these versions of andrew ,different versions but with same core andy's love towards his sister .ashley can vaguely feel 'andy' inside of andrew and subtley tries to bring him back not realising the futility of her actions ... perhaps ,she thinks that only 'andy' can love her despite her 'character' leading to not acknowledge andrew's affection. when it comes to the routes , decay and burial are sus , the latter seem better but the demon is sus af while the former is heavier but without the demon ...
A lot of Yoututbers who defend andy and leyley say that the incest route is supposed to be a bad ending when it's very clear that you can make worse choices that will lead to the siblings killing one another if I'm not wrong but these TH-camrs are too concerned with not looking like immoral people. I mean by their eyes what exactly would be considered a good ending? Does it have to be morally correct? Cuz that's impossible when cannibalism is literally unavoidable in the game XD
a choice between..... a psychotic brother who is willing to murder her own sister, no regrets but nothing weird involved or an incestous relationship but they will not yap about stupid ass things at all. personally ima play both routes, wannna see what will happen
Its hard to tell which one is the canon route bc they both makes sense than they don't give, maybe when the full game is finished and its a full play through than maybe we could be able to tell which one
u know, this is kinda messed up, cuz i can't tell wich ending is better, when they do the incest shit they are kinda closer u know, but that ain't good, also the sane ending, they do look like they are gonna get in some trouble with eachother again, and about the decay, one of them is going to die, but that isn't good also, it's kinda hard to choose the right path
You do realize there’s in no good outcome here. This two people can’t have a good outcome. You just choosing a shade of black. It’s a pick your poison decision. I’m pretty sure even burial endings in episode 3 will not be happy for both of them because this two will still ruin it all it’s in a nature of parasitic sociopaths. Yes I am doing home-couch psychology here 😅
@@xavieramaro2661 well let’s be fair Ashley can have good conversations. With herself mostly. So monologues more? Her ego trip during dinner scene in decay about “consuming people essence” is very good conversation to have with a shrinks 😂😂😂
I honestly think after some thought that the decay route is likely the more “realistic” route. The reason I say this is because when I think about Andrew’s reactions to being called Andy at 9:17, 1:06:34, and 1:51:28 in your play through of episode 2 video Giving these reactions, The burial route when you are cleaning out the drain and Ashley calls Andrew “Andy”, and Andrew responds “playfully” doesn’t really make sense and is not consistent with his character development about that name as he truly absolutely DESPISES that Name as shown in those time stamps and now responds to it more aggressively. In the decay route ending in EP 2, he was even thinking about choking her out again for calling him that.. That’s why I say the Decay route is likely the realistic route.. I could dare say that it probably might be the more proper canon route.. When it comes to choosing to accept but decline his parents offer, one thing I think the writer might’ve overlooked is the importance of dialogue about them being sold out in decay unlike burial. That is to say that I feel that Andrew expressing how he feels about his parents selling them out when accepting but declining the offer is just as important as it was in the dialogue when you straight up Decline their offer. In burial he basically did indirectly let his mom know that he knew she was full of crap, given his gestures and how he responded to things she was saying.. But in decay, he only just says he’s stuck, like.......that’s all he’s got to say as if he foolishly truly would be willing to overlook his parents wanting them dead and thinking it was a blessing... I feel in decay it would have been more realistic for him to say something like “I wish I could say yes to that honestly, but I cant, I wish I had parents that actually gave a damn and actually cared to offer me a job without the bullshit..I wish I wasn’t so fucking stuck more than you could ever know.” Ashley most likely would have still gotten mad about the stuck part which still would make them at odds.
Andrew responding "playfully" to Ashley when being called Andy in Burial route does not mean he starts to accept being called like that, he still gets mad and literally asks Ashley to take what she said back but in a playful manner, and he only forgives her that one time, later on Ashley does not dare to say Andy once, because she knows Andrew has changed and started having the higher ground than her, but he does not leave as he chose to be loyal to her as long as she behaves, which she's still confused about. Andrew already made a decision right when he left the cultist neighbor's room that he and his sister would not trust anyone, even their parents. When Mrs. Graves tries reasoning with him before the ritual, he doesn't care to listen, because he knows his mom will try to convince him to let them go in one way or another, only when the mom says it is about Ashley does Andrew care, he already knew what his parents did and did not need to hear any further explanation from them at that point, so there's no point in arguing how Andrew reacts to being sold by the parents, choosing to accept or decline the deal is choosing to make him move on or linger over the fact that he can be helped to be a normal person once again, but just like in Burial, Andrew in Decay knows he can not trust his parents, so he still refuses, the difference is he can not move on and let his mom's words affect him, making him feel worse about his life. As Kit9 Studio confirmed in Progress Report#1, Decay and Burial routes do not have any clear hints or are intended to be good/bad, realistic, or canon routes, which means Andrew and Ashley's relationship in Burial can still be messed up, or mended in Decay, at this point there's no reason to argue which route is better as the game will certainly have the endings you prefer which do not mess up other endings writing. Both Decay and Burial routes have to exist as two sides of the coin, they have their own values.
Also don't forget the fact that Andrew almost breaks his promise when calling Ashley "Leyley" after leaving the cultist club or before he hugs Ashley and goes outside to get money from Mrs. Graves bank account.
@@Flopamine The difference with that is that he did it accidentally, when it comes to the cultist club I find reason to believe him when he said that he only said it so that he wouldn’t reveal her actual name. The second one was definitely an accident and he reacted to it accordingly... Ashley does it on purpose as she knows it bothers him
@@Flopamine I know that doesn’t necessarily mean that he starts accepting it when he playfully reacted that way... I just think it’s weird after all the other times that she called him that and he got really pissed because of it (and it showed), Then this time, he responded lighter than those other times out of nowhere.. In the burial ending he tells her that Andy is dead and that he doesn’t think he needs anything. This was also a light response to her calling him Andy again but a bit heavier and more serious than the playful one he looked serious while saying it too..
@@jbckidd_dontmewitme3908 As I've said Andrew still takes the pet names thing serious in Burial, but as he manages to bury his Andy self, there's no Andy for Ashley to call out here, Ashley starts to realize she should really stop using that name and she must start accepting Andrew, the pet names are no longer a bother in that route, because Andrew takes that out of his system, not that he makes light of it.
I think the decay route might actually be the closest to the true ending, if the title is anything to go by the coffin of "Andy" could be in reference to Andrew completely killing off his naivety and weakness, a lot of family members just have a primal urge to help and defend the rest of the family but after everything Ashley's done to him I would think that over time he would start seeing her less as family and more as a rabid pet dog, a dangerous creature with malicious intent, too far gone to reason with but somebody has to keep it in check, eventually the only way to deal with a rabid pet is to put it down. Sure it's family but it's doing so much damage to you and just about everyone else it comes in contact with, it's not worth it anymore, to me this is the most natural course of events just based on the title and other real situations like it, usually once a family member has done something irredeemable then the rest of the family shuts them out as any normal person would. The coffin of "Leyley" speaks for itself I think.
Incest is bad and all but compared to the fact they butchered their neighbor and there parents then ate them, committed multiple crimes to be honest its not as bad
I agree, a lot of Yoututbers who defend andy and leyley say that the incest route is supposed to be a bad ending when it's very clear that you can make worse choices that will lead to the siblings killing one another if I'm not wrong but these TH-camrs are too concerned with not looking like immoral people. I mean by their eyes what exactly would be considered a good ending? Does it have to be morally correct? Cuz that's impossible when cannibalism is literally unavoidable in the game XD
@@baneofbanes In fact they're killing parents in all the routes. The "normal"ness I'm talking about is the vision or rather its absence in The Normal Route. While in other routes...well.. Demon: ...YOuR brOTheR wiLL fUckIng kILl YoU or Demon: ...YOuR brOTheR wiLL BaNG yOU. HehEHHEhEHEHe So, yeah XDDD
@@noctusfatumi just realized the demon is a goddamn wingman, it saw a chance (mom outrageous respond to Andrew) and it immediately hook for it by giving know-nothing Ashley a guide to bring her brother into vision along with her Truly the greatest wing-demon of all time
Interesting how Andrew and Ashley has better relationship in Burial because Ashley is less manipulative and Andrew decides to embrace his sociopathy. The most wholesome part is in the most questionable route. Love this game for being so twisted lol.
he is most definitely NOT sociopathic. he shows distress about resorting to killing the neighbor and attacking his parents, and is extremely flustered after the vision the talisman gave him. he cares for ashley and its for that reason that he sticks around. (plus her manipulation) but point is he very much has at least some regard from other people. Judging from his mother’s dialogue, he was even more so before ashley manipulated him into being increasingly numb to the killing.
@@rabies6418 Let's agree to disagree. Imo, it's hard to see Andrew as somewhat sane since he regrets not giving the warden a slower death in his nightmare and completely okay with sacrificing someone who never harms him for unknown demon. He was the one to suggest killing their neighbour before Ashley shoots his idea down. Ashley is manipulative but Andrew does have his own agency.
@@rabies6418 For me it seems more like a facade, his actual worries are actually messed up and I doubt it's completely on Ashley, despite her constant manipulation on him. After all, he's genuinely happy in the burial endings and it's just weird that he gets more flustered and shows more emotions when her Mom inquires about him fucking Ashley and after his dream, than the whole ordeal with eating people and killing his parents or random people (and demons). He's probably more scared of being more similar to Ashley than he wants to think, and tries to deny it because it goes against his imposed moral compass. This ends with him accepting the way that Andrew and Ashley are or keep denying and hating himself and her even more.
@@juanchoxdiaz Bingo. Even in the past, he's more afraid of getting caught and separate himself from Ashley. It's not 'What have we done? She doesn't deserve to die!' but 'She died! What if people know it's us?'. Andrew's morality is questionable.
This game is like an illegal substance, you want more of it and you want none of it at the same time, bravo to the developer by twisting my brain with the possibility of some brother and sister gut twisting (both good and bad)
Ok I actually wanna ask which one is which for you? Because for me in both roads he let’s his facade broke it’s just that consequences are different because of how he views his sister.
@@mrksimka1159 where his facade drops, since he acts a little bit more like his sister and "acts like her', instead where decay their relationship "decays" more, since Ashley has the vision where Andrew kills her. then in burial you have love and sane route, love is just the "most natural" outcome, since it's only about time that happens, and then sane where they stay as dependant to each other. Either way, in both Andrew either stays stays under manipulation or slightly changes to be more dominant.
I noticed two things: 1. In the Burial Route, it's interesting that even with the questionable options, Ashley doesn't really care one way or the other if Andrew may or may not want her that way. She basically sees it as a way to keep him from abandoning her if it really comes down to it. And that actually might mirror the mom's mentality of love and loyalty. 2. In the Decay Route, when Andrew starts to get aggressive, he clearly feels guilty when Ashley starts to cry. He's not to the point he'd be ready to kill her come Episode 3, but once he no longer feels remorse for making her cry, that's the end right there.
honestly andrew seems even more fked up than leyley.. she just wants his attention because she had no friends and her parents ignored her. she isnt interested in sexual relationship, however she would be fine with it if it meant he stays around.. and considering he groped her in front of their mother!!.. and the way he wanted his gf to look like leyley, its quite clear he is actually the one who has those kinds of feelings, not her.. also clearly he is complete psycho
@@Ajajaj321 Andrew is definitely not more fked up, Andrew has been warped into what he is by his sister. Any time he gets close to someone who isn't her she does her absolute best to get rid of and eventually kill them, she constantly gaslights and manipulates him, she pushed him into cannibalism, she has absolutely traumatized and isolated him every since they were young. Andrew has had no support from anyone, even his parents, in dealing with her crazy shit and he just copes the best that he can by trying to ignore all the fucked up shit in his mind and life and just keep moving forward. Ashley is certainly fine with a sexual relationship, she even says that she expected it to happen eventually in one of the routes. She is not fine with Andrew having literally anyone else in his life except for her and she plans to be the same with him. She with her crazy fixation on him has forced Andrew into being her father figure, her brother, her best friend, and probably even her lover soon.
@@redridingcape Andrew was the first to think about cannibalizing the neighbor when Ashley was still thinking about it, he was the first to bring up if it was illegal to mess with the corpse, when Ashley said she was joking at first, without Ashley agreeing to do so, I doubt if he actually wanted to proceed. Andrew killed the warden without any hesitance, in his dream sequence he even wanted to kill that guy slower because he always leer at Ashley. Andrew was also the one who thought about "convincing" the 302 lady to help them fool the other warden, and then killed that girl himself as he believed he could not leave any witness, and Ashley would also agree to do so. Andrew is a smooth talker whenever he communicates with random people like the cultist, even the cult leader buys his excuse for not wearing a robe, he can play along with mom and acts like everything is fine while Ashley is unable too. There are many other instances proving Andrew can be as cold and unbothered as Ashley, you just need to rewatch ep 1 and then ep 2 and connect the details with each other. So nope, Andrew is as fucked up as Ashley, he just hides it better than Ashley, cuz he needs to keep up appearances, just like his mother, who is also a bad person, once there's no reason to act like a normal person anymore, he opens himself and has a drastic change in personality that even Ashley can not yet fully comprehend in Burial. And don't talk like Ashley is the one who asks for a sexual relationship with Andrew when all she wants right from the beginning, is Andrew always on her side, if you choose the "Never" option after the questionable vision in Burial, the game let you know that Ashley respects Andrew's choices if he doesn't want to be that close to his sister, all she cares is Andrew chooses to stay with her, nothing else matters. Even in if you choose "Never say never" option, which literally allows Andrew to accept his incest thoughts in the future, Ashley still doesn't push and force Andrew into it, you also need to understand that the incest vision is meant as a bad thing, so both of them may choose to avoid going down that path completely once they figure out why it's bad.
@@Flopamine Obviously they are both fked up, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge that it started with Ashley and also his parents for not helping him deal with her and for being neglectful to the extreme. Yes, Andrew does plenty of fked up shit, and he certainly has responsibility for what he has done, but I think it's really stupid to say "honestly andrew seems even more fked up than leyley", which is the part of their comment which compelled me to comment. The only way you can justify that idea is by just completely ignoring huge parts of the story.
@@redridingcape You clearly didn't read thru my whole comment to say that I said or meant Andrew was more messed up than Ashley, I'm simply trying to prove that both siblings are equally bad, and correcting a few things that you got wrong when talking about Ashley's view in incest.
I find it interesting that in both routes ashley seems worried or even distressed at not having the control she had over him before since he's changing. I can't wait to see how their dynamic becomes even more fucked up in both routes in the next chapter in two totally different ways based on how they are right now!!/nsrs
I think that the power dynamic will change fully. We can see it with decay but I feel like burial will have a entire 180 in terms of their relationship. Right now it seems somewhat healthy but there’s just no way that sort of thing is sustainable 🤧
as far as i can tell the difference between andy and andrew is that andy is more "normal", easily manipulated and if pushed to the very limit, can become psychopathic and apathetic, while andrew is open about how much he uhhh... "likes" his sister, is not apathetic but more calm and serene when doing traumatizing things, and generally becomes more sociopathic and matches his sister's frequency while becoming more independent and choosing to go with ashley's whims not because she's forcing him to, but because he ACTUALLY WANTS TO. there is no way he gets normal. btw andy is still plenty attracted to ashley but andrew is just FUCKING SHAMELESS
On the contrary, I actually think that "Andy" is the one who likes his sister. I think after choosing to decline the parents offer, "Andy" takes over and that's why he's so much more flirty and sociopathic. "Andy" and LeyLey/Ashley are two sides of the same coin with Ashley being the more impulsive one and Andy being the more analytical one. Andrew on the other hand, is the one in the decay route that is sick of Ashley's shit. He still likes her but she pisses him off so much he doesn't care (Like he says almost word for word in the choking scene in chapter 1). Andrew is almost completely apathetic and by the end of the Decay route, he's completely resigned to the fact he can't escape from Ashley.
I prefer the burial route. Andrew actually becomes a lot happier and while he isn't a doormat for Ashley anymore, he still cares for her to very large degree that killing her is not an option. Ashley in this ending seems to realise that Andrew is just as screwed up as her and is shocked by it. Now she doesn't know whether or not this Andrew is better than the other one and is walking around eggshells. It also seems like Ashley could be mortified at the fact that if Andrew was really this messed up like her, then why did she hurt him so many times, all of which were harrowing and deep. Like if you had a crush on someone but do terrible things to that person and find out that person actually likes you, you'd be absolutely ashamed ir guilty of what you've done. Although, that could just be me thinking too far in another road
@@Linkophere She wants to control Andrew because she's scared that he'd leave and that would leave her in perpetual lonliness. Does this mean she is justified, absolutely not. But considering the fact that both her and Andrew were screwed up due to circumstances outside of their control, her more than Andrew, it'd be unfair to just spare Andrew's happiness and cast her off to the dirt, ignoring the fact that she was left with neglectful parents and toxic friends. At least that's the way I see it.
@@Some_random_Stickman without a doubt, but to say that she is just a psycho is wrong as well. She does care for Andrew but with her being passed off as a burden by her own parents, ostracized in school, friends ignore her time and time again, couple with the fact that Andrew has all these connections and more, Ashley realised that there's quite literally nothing that she has or does that other people don't do for him thus the likelihood of him abandoning her(at least in her eyes) is not only possible but completely understandable to any human being, rational or not.
@@daniel-mz8gn Nah bro we don't care about her stop empathizing with a psychopath. She can go. You thinking too deeply about her bro. She's ostracized because SHE IS A PSYCHOPATH! She tortures and assaults anyone who likes Andrew or that Andrew is a close friend, hence her deserved terrible reputation. Andrew would be better off abandoning her weird psycho butt. Nothing in her character has us to empathize with 😬
It's really impressive that already there are two routes in the game. It's even more so when each route isn't directly good, nor bad. With each having an equal amount of bad and good scenarios in each.
i find that the best horror (imo) are the stories where everything feels hopeless/inescapable. its not scary if the ordeal couldve been solved by calling 911 but the protags are too dumb to think of that. its way scarier when it feels like even smart and resourceful people are stuck in a nightmarish existence. both options being pretty messed up feels really fitting for this story
Andrew being jealous of "Andy" is probably the most insane thing ever. It's not a DID subject, trust, but it's so eerie that from the first episode, Andrew deliberately hated Andy and wanted him to die with Leyley once the siblings left that facility. Now? It definitely shows how bothered Andrew is when Ashley wants "Andy" instead of Andrew 😭 This game is so fucked that I'm so intrigued with everything. All the endings match and I believe they're all true endings however the individual playing this game interprets this game. (As much as them dying in the end seems like a cliche ending, it's very fitting and I WANT IT TO HAPPEN. It's truly "till death to us part" because they'll finally be rid of their codependency.)
I hope the decay ending ends with him killing her and learning to live on his own. My man's been through enough he doesn't deserve to be manipulated for the rest of his life
I really like how both siblings love and hate one of the others "personas" and its the opposite for both. Andrew wants to stay as pure siblings with Ashley but Andy loves Ashley so he wants him to disappear. Andrew also really hates Leyley. Ashley and Leyley are completely focused on Andy and view Andrew as someone else who tries to escape from them at all cost or might even harm them. So one is stuck in the past while the other desperately wants to move on.
i will say this again, The questionable, messed up and straight up degenerate route are the "best" for them. It is the entire point of their character, they are the worst people that belong to each other, just like Scott and Ramona. Heck this game is basically an extremely twisted version of Scott vs The World.
@@xavreim6957 You compared them to Scott and Ramona and called it “worst people deserving each other” I think it’s easy to understand no? I disagreed because I never seen Scott and Ramona as bad people in the first place. They made mistakes in their lives sure but your summary is very extreme and borderline wrong imo. And saying that Andy and LeyLey is them but worst? Missed me with this one sorry.😂
@@mrksimka1159 oh but Scott and Ramona is the worst people tho, Scott is a manipulative douchebag that literally grooming a minor to be his girlfriend for filling his ego, not that he actually love her knives in anyways after dumping Kim and before meeting Ramona. It's gotten worsen that he immediately dumped Knives after meeting Ramona, his own negativity actually manifest into being called Nega-Scott. Ramona might not be the worst, but knowing well she streaking 7 exes in her records should tell you something no? Most of them are actually Ramona faulty until Gideon give her the taste of her own medicine. She sees her past relationship with other are nothing sort of "phase" and curiousity with little to no regards of other feelings, she's also cheated more than once. That's why I see similarities, even I said that Ashley and Andrew relationship are extremely twisted version, not literally in equal score as Scott and Ramona. But both franchise are selling the stories 2 worst people that trying to move on from their past and becoming a better person from before. The only reason you think it's far too removed is only because Scott Pilgrim are heavily leaning towards comedy-drama instead psychological horror drama.
@@xavreim6957 I think you completely misinterpreting both O’mailey comics and this game. But opinions are opinions so no point in debating further because we both will stay on our side of the fence and I see you using westerner liberal buzzwords in your explanation which tells me your POV is completely different from mine when it comes to Scott Pilgrim. So conversation over we might as well start talking to walls at this point.
I would pick the decay route cause it would make sense after all this time when Ashley keeps breaking her promise when it's the only one thing Andrew asked of her and that's it. Having one of them killed in the end would either set them free or having all that pent up mental breakdown finally unleashed
The beauty of how the characters and events are written it this game, is that it feels like both routes can canonically take place because they diverge on very minor objective differences. The Andrew's "deal" with mother is a prime example, it could really go either way. He sees his mom is BS'ing him and trying to escape the situation. Both "you're lying, there's no way out for you or for me, also don't rag on Ashley" and "oh god I'm in too deep but I can't trust you because you clearly lie" responses could happen, it just depends on Andrew's mental state at that precise moment. Same with Ashley's decisions really. To the point it's pretty much up to the player's interpretation of the events
I generally agree with your sentiment. However, in the burial route, ashley actually starts calling him andrew more often, because she directly notices andrew changing and becoming more honest with himself. Which in turn leads to him not being as conflicted anymore (less nightmares and insomnia). So while ashley never gives a shit about andrew's thoughts and wishes in the decay route, which makes Andrew's hate for her very justified and fitting, in the burial route, he actually forces ashley to respect his wishes by becoming more dominant, independent and overall less of a doormat. You could say that in the decay route, their relationship becomes more and more toxic and Andrew finally acknowledges how awful ashley treats him. He starts treating her worse in return, which she obviously deserves 100%. But in the burial route, their relationship actually improves and becomes a lot more honest. Ironically, especially in the questionable version. Andrew starts being more open about his repressed feelings towards ashley and starts showing her genuine affection. Not the "I'll stick with you because you constantly manipulate and threaten me into it" affection. His actual unconditional affection for his sister, which has been there since chapter 1, but he always tried to hide. Ashley being more trusting towards him is what led to that. If you distrust him at the parent's house, you move towards the decay route. If Ashley shows her trust in him, he in return gets more honest towards her and himself. And because she starts to realise that andrew actually likes her, even without her constant manipulation, she stops calling him andy, which was a way to manipulate him. Because ultimately, Ashley's manipulation and coercion of andrew happened because ashley wanted andrew to love her, but she was 100% convinced that he doesn't, like literally everyone else who ever stepped into her life. Her own parents, her friends, no one ever liked her. And she was convinced that if she doesn't "force" andrew to like her, he'd hate her as well. Which might have actually been the truth when they were still kids. In the questionable version of the burial route, ashley starts to realise that andrew actually loves her without being forced to. Because andrew makes it quite obvious. And that's why she doesn't call him andy as often in the burial route. She simply doesn't manipulate him as much, because she starts to believe that manipulation isn't necessary to get Andrew's love. Basically, in decay, the relationship between "Andy and Leyley" stays the same. Ashley doesn't trust andrew and therefore continues to manipulate him as much as possible. Andrew starts hating her more and more for it. The relationship between "Andy and Leyley" becomes more and more toxic and ultimately "decays". In Burial, the relationship between "Andy and Leyley" changes. Ashley starts thrusting Andrew, Andrews rewards her trust with honesty and openness (showing his genuine affection for her), Ashley notices the genuine affection and stops manipulating him. The relationship between "Andy and Leyley" gets "buried" and replaced with a new relationship between Andrew and Leyley. This one is built on honesty, trust. It unfortunately involves incest. The one between Andy and Leyley was built on manipulation and threats. I genuinely believe that the questionable burial route will end up being a necessary step to reach whatever the true ending is going to be. It's the only ending in which both Andrew and Ashley are honest towards one another. It's the route in which they end up the most the most "equal footing". In decay, andrew is quite honest towards ashley, but ashley is as manipulative as ever and the power is almost entirely in her hands. He specifically points out that he has no choice but to go along with her whims. In sane burial, Ashley is a bit less honest, but Andrew starts totally repressing his incestuous feelings towards Ashley again, which have been hinted at throughout the entire game. The power is fairly balanced. In questionable burial, Andrew is more honest and open than he's ever been, Ashley shares more of her thoughts, like openly telling andrew she feels like he has changed (she doesn't do that in sane burial). The power is also fairly balanced.
Oh believe me it's possible, my brother sucks so much at making chicken I had a existential crisis over if I even liked chicken cause his was always so moist yet somehow dry
This is probably offtopic but once the humans explore all of the oceans, just imagine their horrified face after seeing so much dead bodies thrown onto the ocean.
I'm probably strange for preferring the "Decay" route despite clearly knowing its route will be far more bloody or depressing. What really sold me was the ending. Andrew calls Ashley out for her manipulation, and her lies, and Ashley seems to genuinely ponder. When Andrew loses it (Ashley tried to worm her way out of saying Andy because it was OK before) and grabs his sister, Ashley replies with "What do you want, Andrew?" tear in her eye. He seemed regretful, like he shouldn't have done that, before going back to his joking and sarcastic attitude. Really hoping their relationship really can become one where they really love each other as family, without Andrew needing to embrace the chaos. Although at this point they've already got so much blood and cannibalism... can't say it's all that great either way. That in addition to the fact that Andrew himself isn't exactly a good Samaritan to begin with either. Although i'm also on the train of thought that, no matter what, the Demon will sacrifice at least one of them by the end of the game. So... even if this "Cope" of mine comes to fruition, I also can't imagine that either/or one of them will live.
I agree with that Decay is my preffered route. Andrew is at his best in that route because he's having to deal with the full brunt of the situation (his whole family, including himself, is fucked and its made no better by the mixed feelings of hate and love he carries for them). I realy liked the scene of him having to dissect the corpses because you can see those two parts of him tearing at him and its begining to change him. Decay results with the most character development for Andrew imo, as it almost seems like he's reluctantly realized how horrible of a person he is, in the process removing Ashley's main way to manipulate him as it seems like he's begun to think that maybe they both just deserve to die. It's also a bonus that he's turned the tables on Ashley in their relationship which then forces her to recognise the intensity of the situation as things are ramping up against her and at one point she'll no longer be able to just brush off her actions which is some prime material. In short they're both horrible people but Andrew having to deal with this realization of his own nature rather than just accepting it makes me much more interested in Decay compared to Burial.
I also agree that the Decay route seems to be the best for Andrew. While the siblings have a much more adversarial relationship in this path, Andrew seems to still be resistant to Ashley’s psychopathy. The small detail at the end where he doesn’t get the demon mark on his hand (probably because he didn’t use the charm), also helps this case in my mind.
I know it’s because Ashley is just worried about having control over Andrew, but I find it hilariously ironic that she is worried about him having less of a reaction to stressful and fucked up situations considering he is literally mirroring her own behavior
26:09 pony tail on her left 26:57 pony tail not seen on her right yet (both from burial route) 38:11 pony tail on her right (decay route) ignorable 40:54 pony tail on her right (burial, "alabama" route)
35:40 if you look at the details more attentively, you will notice that Andrew's soul is tar!!! does this mean that he is much worse than Ashley? in any case, now it's just guesswork, we'll find out everything in Chapter 3
I doubt it. At most he's descending to being her equal in immorality. She was by far the worse of the two in episode one, but only moderately/somewhat worse in chapter 2.
It's funny how Burial route is an example where putting two negatives will make something positive out of it. I never thought it would be possible, but it's just how it is. Personally, I'd pick burial route in a heartbeat, because it's the most positive outcome for the two given the current version. I know Ashley may have deserve decay route to some extent because of how she've been. But I feel like the lack of love from her parents and mental help is what made her end up being fucked up and dependent to Andrew like that. I'm not optimistic enough about getting a redemption arc for Ashley, especially that horror games meant to get worse as we go deeper, but why not? Or at least someone who picked burial route might hope for something nice if only. I don't really care much about incest. Especially I'm aware that the entire story and choices is just for the game and doesn't represent who we are in real life. 😂 It's just nice to see how some people came to understanding of picking burial route with an open mind despite of how so much people in this fandom still can't get over of having incest in the theme despite how there's already more than enough undertones from the start that warns them about it. I couldn't blame anyone who end up pairing both of them either given how much chemistry and build up was done for both of them.
Honestly they are both incredibly broken and toxic but their toxicity synergism’s and both of them care deeply for the other. Ashley is extremely possessive and manipulative. Andrew cares for her, feels responsibility for her, and is apparently attracted to her. However he rejects these feelings because 1. She is his sister, and 2. He is basically the one who raised her. However her manipulation and refusal to change has grated on him. He sets boundaries but she refuses to follow because she wants to be in control. This leads to two paths, either he will need to accept her and his feelings for her and acknowledge the twisted relationship which has formed, or he will kill her. Because Andrew is also a possessive yandere. He has several moments detailing that he won’t let her go and will kill to protect her. So he will either continue the relationship or end it and potentially himself along with her. As he says. He will put her in the trunk and drive off the bridge. If he kills her, he isn’t living to see the aftermath,
Andrew's Decay ending is the best ending for me, since i feel Andrew has been manipulated by everyone around him and just decided to put a stop to it by finally cutting off the root of his lifelong issues, his diabolical sister; Ashley
I do not think Andrew is as innocent as he thinks himself. Blaming Ashley for all his problems is simply not true. First of all, if the parents never sold their own children, Andrew could've got a chance to finish education and leave. Andrew is also hung up on social appearances, but behind close doors he has shown to be less caring. he's simply less transparent than Ashley on his feelings.
@@cyncynshop But unlike anyone else, he has a reason to be this cold towards people, nobody really raised him up into the arms of warmth or safety having to take care of his sister which only brought more problems, and although he has a faint sense of insanity, he does also own a sense of morality, in comparison to his sister or parents, he did what he did because there was no choice for him
Bro I would like to see Ashely leaving Andrew to see how he would react like yeah yeah I know Ashely would rather die before she leaves her Andy but maybe we get a surprise and we can see how Andrew finally accepts she’s not the only fucked up obsessive psycho And he’s not the poor little lamb he makes himself to be
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic bro I know that’s a fact. but u know I was just saying cause I would really like to see sum type of reaction from Andrew Other than always considering if killing Ashley or not 💀
Ashley is completely useless without Andrew. Every section you play as her she is completely impulse driven and naive. She is really good at manipulating but has no clue where she is going. Thats sorta the big moral dilemma because she is abusing andy constantly but Andy can't leave her cuz she would just die.
@@luminous3558 damn now I’m seeing a whole new perspective of this I thought she would be a little fine cause I know she’s a brute but when she’s on action she’s a little smart I mean to manipulate people u need to be kinda smart? or at least quick on catching things to use for ur benefits and either way she knows how to use people she’s just all over Andy cause she grow up with him and it’s the only person that ever gave a shit about her
This dev/writer/whoever is credited for the dialog in these games is SO GOOD at writing couples. Like incredbly good. But twice now they've been siblings or clones/twins and man... why
The burial (with questionable path and choice) to me seems the more canon, meanwhile the decay without shoot would be my most liked (with ammo), and the decay with shoot, it's what would happen (on my opinion) in the real world with more human reaction.
I must say this game is very interesting and morbid as hell the more I look into it. It's clear that Andy and Ashley are both absolutely messed up in their special ways, likely due to parental neglect, also his mom said when she was 22 she already had a 7 and 5 year old insinuating she had a child at 15 although it could've been 18 depending on how liberal you want to be with "when I was your age". The way they talk about eating their parents so casually like it's another Tuesday night, is something else too. I think the most cannon ending would be the least moral, making Andy have no empathy towards killing his parents and eating them and having an incestuous relationship with his sister. Why I think this is because he had been around the moral deadness of his sister so much I think it would seep into him a lot until he's pretty much just like her and I think his parents had been neglectful to both of them, after all they sold both of them to quarantine not just Ashley and had both of them legally declared dead so I think the least morally right path would be the one that makes more sense considering who they are. I also think the parental neglect makes him interpret love for siblings as romantic interest in some way and Ashley just goes with it because she thinks it'll keep him around
The mom said that when she was Andrew’s age, she had to take care of a seven, and a five year old. She also says that Andrew is in his twenties. Seven minus twenty is thirteen. Jesus Christ.
Andrew is canonically 22, Ashley is 20. So since the mom is talking to Andrew about this she is saying she got Andrew when she is 15. Still bad but more acceptable. Plus the dad is just a pushover like Andrew before. He is so spineless he didn’t even say no…
Maybe it's because of FNAF, but I find this psychological horror game funny. And the story gets interesting no matter how you swing it or what you choose. Especially the Alabama route, it has the most jaw dropping moments and an interesting look at our main characters motives and backstories. Also if you remove all the crime these two have committed and the incest, I would honestly smash Ashley.
she is manipulative and playfully harsh and has no idea what a border and a sensetive subject is, even if you just want to do a one night stand and ghost her youll just double the red flags and give it to the next person and that is a violation of the brocode
I feel that way about Andrew…he is good looking to me and would like his personality if he wasn’t….like no 😭 imma have to write an alternative ending or something 😂
It’s funny so many neurotic teenagers online are conflating the momentary emotion of happiness or even the sight of someone joking and smiling with the benchmark for mental health, and get confusingly upset about it.
I meaaaan... this two are joking and smilling in a Burial route while trying to dispose of bodies. 😂This is not exactly a healthy happiness and knowing this two it’s temporary anyway.
@@cupcakedoce956 randoms who don’t take showers are mad that the pair seems a bit too happy in the incest route, going on to come to the conclusion that the game portrays that as one of the “sane” and “mentally healthy” paths for the characters in question because they’re not spiraling and at each other’s throats afterwards.
I am very intrigued by the mole. What is it? Does Ashley have it too? Is it a Andrew thing only? Is the demon trying to take control of Andrew? Is...the demon in love with ashley??? Since it seems rather intrigued by ashley's tar soul
Edit: I think I figured it out. Both the chase and "that" scene will take place after Ashley (in decay) or Andrew (in burial) do something really f-d up in Ep.3. - In decay route, Andy snaps and decides to kill Ashley for what she's done and there's nothing she can do about it, - In burial their relationship is not as strained, and she'll use sex as a way to placate Andrew, hence his "I'm easy to distract" line. Or she uses sex to calm his guilty conscience as she puts it. - Sane burial will probably be something like the previous route, but she'll calm him down in some other way and they'll also be chill --- Rewatching the decay dream, it seems to me it foreshadows Ashley doing something so bad that even Andrew can't forgive her anymore and it pushes him over the edge. Maybe she kills someone (some theorize it'll be his ex), maybe she once again goes "Andy-Andy" on him and he finally snaps this time, but one way or the other it ends with Andrew chasing and killing her. Although it's very likely it can be avoided as with the killer situation Also, Sane Burial seems to imply Andy is also becoming a Tar Soul, represented by the grey-red soul that speaks in green subtitles like Andrew
Or maybe that the demon takes Andrew's soul and Ashley trespasses into the demons realm (the one the demon told her not to go to) to get his soul back and that his soul is just as "tar" as hers.
Im gonna be honest with you On the Burial path, which I took (Lets go Incest) i thought the Demon wanting Andrew to go in and the eye appearing in his hand was because it actually wanted Andrew's soul/Possess him, I never thought that it actually just wanted another Sociopathic murderer
think about it, in the burial route, andrew is just as much a monster as ashley, so it makes complete sense that the demon would consider him on-tier with her in that regard, that and what's the harm in another soul-harvester committed to the cause?
32:40 this is the best ending in my opinion, hope this vision becomes real. If one of them is gone the other's obcession and dependency will eventually be gone so this seems great
I mean, when a psychopath is legitimately crying for a person. You know it hits deep. This is one ending where they realize just how important they are to each other. To be honest. It’s extremely plausible that Ashley or Andrew ends up dying themselves after the deed of slaughtering their sibling. Remember that the description of the game quite literally puts emphasis on toxic codependency.
@@Soons.. I'm not saying that it's likely to happen, I just wish that's an ending. An even better ending would be one in which both stay alive but seperate and get therapy, but everyone knows that that's not going to happen
My guess is that if either one dies the other one will kill themselves in short order afterwards, or do something insanely reckless to get themselves killed. I think that they are both too codependent on each other to live long apart from the other.
Im 99.9 percent sure that if the Ashley shoot ending happened she would eventually go insane and off herself \and in the Andrew knife ending i think he will either off himself or get togetheter with Julia in chap 3 But honestly i think the canonical ending (?) is most likely gonna be the cursed burial
the thing is, in this game everyone is a degree of mentally ill. the mother and father is like the son and daughter. Ashley is a Sociopath, while Andrew is a Dark Empath, he MAY seem normal, but Dark Empaths are merely Sociopaths that understand Empathy and Societal norms to keep that appearance.
@@luminous3558 Someone else pointed out that Mom had 4 chances. 1. Left alone while they made coffee. 2. Left alone while they made dinner. 3. Left alone with dad during the night. 4. Upstairs with Ashley on the phone she could have explicitly asked for help (and probably gotten shot, but is that worse than what happens?). We know she didn't call for help or escape during the time she was left alone because it's already morning when they call customer service. It takes hours of waiting and then even more time to clean up. She's not the mastermind of the plot to harvest the organs of entire buildings. She didn't believe Andrew and Ashley would kill them if they cooperated. No one shows up to catch them. This points to Andrew's original assessment being correct: She's the type to stay out of it rather than report them and they could have left in the morning. Personally, I think she didn't plan to betray them (again). But after getting tied down and threatened in the basement, she'd say anything to get out of there alive and the chances of her betraying them go up. Even if she did follow through on her promise to try to work things out, the people who sent the assassin aren't lenient about loose ends.
In some endings Probably but i doubt the creator is gonna stop the story at part 3 since she is thinking about quitting her job to make the game a full time thing
the Burial route seems like Andrew is becoming more like his sister and Ashley just can't handle it sometimes like my God he destroys her so damn much it makes me laugh sometimes cause of how damn annoying she is PS: Yeah I changed the Leyley to Ashley cause I did Andrew so like it just felt wrong not to change it
29:15 those two souls are the mom and dad. I’m guessing the mom is the black one. And those other two are the 2nd warden, and the cultist who dies at the very beginning after the summoning
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Basically "Andy" and "Ley Ley" will die.
If they remain "Andy" and "Ley Ley", they will kill each other.
If they become Andrew and Ashley, "Andy" and "Ley Ley" will cease to exist.
And thus the game is "The coffin of Andy and Ley Ley."
Sneaky little developers. They went and put the plot in the title.
underrated comment.
I almost got the feeling that in the burial route they’re going to die anyway. In the first ep Andrew talks about how jumping off a roof together would be romantic in the sense that both your bodies will have to be buried together. Since the title of the ending is called “burial ending” I feel like they’re going to be in a situation where they’re going to jump off a ledge and commit suicide together
@@taylorlipinski4048
"Burial" is an implication that Andrew and Ashley start burying their past selfs "Andy and Leyley" in order to move on and grow, as Andrew wanted in ep 1 when he asked Ashley to stop using their nicknames and that "Andy and Leyley should die here (in the apartment) so we (Andrew and Ashley) can move on", while in contrast "Decay" shows the opposite of the Burial route where the relationship between them becomes worse and escalates in a bad way, even so Ashley is warned by the apparently tragic visions and may try to change that somehow, as she could change the vision where they got killed by the hitman. Ultimately the game foreshadows a lot of endings in Decay (and Burial too), so the ending where they jump off the balcony can become a sub ending or a random ending that happens during ep 3 by triggering certain events, still, Burial route focuses on how mentally deranged their relationship can become, goes beyond the moral ethics and toxicity, inseparable and miserable, but perhaps it's how it goes if they manage to survive on their own and put up with each other's crap.
I don't know if this has sense or not but, i think it would be cool if in one ending they will cross their path with the cultist again maybe ending to became a cult leader o in a opposite way the risk to became scarifice. (sorry for the bad writing english is not my native language)
You're a genius, this one of the best comments that i've read, you've just written the true
The contrast of Andrew in decay being just completely done with Ashley and actually becoming scarier and more dominant then her vs him becoming more like a confidant and them goofing around while disposing of bodies and him rejecting Andy nickname more playfully or less hostile in Burial route. Altrough if you ask me one of them or both is always in denial depending on a route. Because he's Andy again, a new improved and rebooted (because tv show joke) version of Andy. The only thing is this Andy either the greatest threat to LeyLey or her new chance at her show revival unless she screws it all again.
I honestly can’t add anything else, since OP beat me and took the words right out of my mouth.
Or screws him again eh?
Because andrew isn't andrew it is andy
This is very on point yes. It's interesting how Andrew will turn to be determine a huge chunk of the story. I hope there's going to be the an arc for Ashley just to put a bit more of balancing act on how she's been from the start.
@@MoiraiScarlet ashley seems incapable of major change as befitting of a “tar soul” black is black there are no shades of it or room for improvement
One thing that i noticed is while Ashley does the no response like
“……………..”
Andrew on the other hand has them randomly cutting of like
“… .. . …… . .. .”
It's like he wants to say something but is too embarrassed or shy
It might be morse code, but I'm not sure
@@MsShowtime nuh uh! the only things that you'd be able to make with only dots is 's' 'i' 'e' and '5'
20:13
@@penguin.8603maybe ha said s5eis 5 isei eis
The fucked up thing is, the only *happy* ending (depends on how you define happy ending) I can see for them ends with them fully embracing the psycho and being an incestuous cannibal murder couple. At one point I thought Andrew had a chance away from Ashley but part 2 revealed to me that he absolutely has the same feelings for her and is just as if not more fucked up, he's just been able to repress the feelings to an "extent" (see him asking his girlfriend to wear her hair like Ashley..).
They're so co-dependent I don't expect either to go on living very long if the other dies regardless of which path is taken.
Either they both are gonna die happily together, or one takes out another and finds out they depend on eachother so much that they simply cant live without eachother and, whichever one is standing alive will off themselves too.
Either way, they're probably gonna die. It's just a matter of dying together or dying seperately.
Holy shit I didn't realize that in his flashback with his girlfriend
@@eballs6350 Yeah I agree, I'd be super surprised if there is an ending where one or both is alive and about dying happy together... You could view Andrew's "romantic" jumping scenario in their apartment as foreshadowing.
@@helmutstein1178 Yup and in that dream when you can listen to the voicemail that Ashley left, since that is in Andrew's subconscious I don't believe that he ever actually heard any of them and those are HIS FEELINGS he's hearing.
@@Addam_ ok holy shit....
never noticed that.... the interactions are alot more hostile, and the environment between the two is heavy in decay, but in burial, they are friendly and teasing, getting closer. Based dev, always giving us these details
I guess we did get closer… in a way 😏
@@Andrew-Graves 🤨📸
@@Andrew-Graves 🤭
im 99% sure there will be a sex dlc in the future
@@fissis1955wouldn’t be surprised if there was one
I love how they make it clear that incest is the mentally unhealthy route and yet they seem happier XDXDXD
Or they accept that they're actually mentally unstable and just roll with it, they don't have the money to pay for therapy anyway.
@@Flopamine Now that I think about it, has anyone appeared in this game who is mentally and morally healthy?
Because until now everyone sucks, the protagonists simply seem the most hardcore to us for canivalism and incest lmao
The world literally sounds like it encourages you to commit suicide just to laugh at you XDXDXD
@@Aural4444
Nina and Julia don't seem to be bad people, all they did was having a crush on Andrew then one died and one got bullied to almost yeet herself. But since everything about them was shown through Ashley and Andrew's flasback or nightmare, we can't tell if Nina and Julia have their own dark sides yet, fans are hoping that Julia will show up in chapter 3 but oh boi, there will be outrage if Julia turns out be to one of the few saints in their world then got killed somehow by the Graves offsprings, i can already imagine Andrew and Ashley somehow encounter Julia cuz in chapter 1, they killed the people who kept them in the coffin, in chapter 2, they killed the people who gave birth to them, now it won't be a surprise if they go after their old friends and foes.
Besides those few friends that Andrew and Ashley used to have, the cultists are quite chill too, except for the cultist neighbor in chapter 1 cuz that guy wanted someone dead.
I guess theyre closer now 💀
@@Flopamine The only bad thing I saw about Nina and Julia was that they basically only became "friends" with Ashley to date Andrew, which sucks but doesn't justify murder or harassment lmao.
And I don't think they will go after Julia in the future, since the only reason they went after the parents was their money and the possibility that the parents would expose them in the future to police or who hired the hit-man, revenge is a tertiary dish for our sinful sibilings XD
The only reason I can think for them to kill Julia is if Andrew felt like meeting her again (which we saw in the dream isn´t the case) since it would activate Ashley's jealousy and she would do a "her or me" situation again, another would be that Julia met them by chance on the street and greeted them, which would be a mix of "she would rat us out to the police" and Ashley's jealousy.
But I could be wrong, we'll see
Andrew didn't seem surprised at all when ashley pulled the gun on him
he wasn't. and he didn't care. either way the living hell she put him through would have ended, whether it be with him dead, or her.
Pretty sure he was gonna off himself after anyway
i think that the reason we see two paths in ashley's dream is that one path is ashley's (surprisingly the sane path: her desire is that andy stays with her, so long as he stays she doesn't want much else) while one is andrew's (the insane path. it's been made pretty clear that andrew is DEFINITELY attracted to his sister, so much so that he always looks like he's restraining himself from crossing the line (ex. touching her ass, always being super touchy, even as "andy" he almost goes in for a kiss, HE NEVER DENIES NOT BEING ATTRACTED TO HER WHEN HIS MOM ASKS IF HE'S FUCKING HER, *ASKING HIS GIRLFRIEND TO PUT UP HER HAIR LIKE ASHLEY*), while ashley is only willing to go in that direction if it guarantees his staying. i have a pet theory that the reason she has a cleavage is bc she learned that he's more willing to do what she does when she looks like that). i think that that's why the demon invited him to the dream.
The part with Andrew askin for his gf to tie her hair up in a ponytail got me f-ed up on sight, like these 2 emojis mixed together: 🤨😳
I really like your comment!
Oh wait i didint think it was Andrew's vision. I didnt realise he was attracted to her sister as much as Ashley attracted to him...did i understand the other way around? damn!
Edit: I came across a video of Andrew's sus moments and apparently i missed a lot of subtle details that Andrew is indeed into his sister or along that route. Completely change my view of this story lmao.
@@sholandosmiguelito6508 that's what's interesting! contrary to popular belief, ashley's not the one pushing for romance! i wouldn't say that she's "attracted" to him, but i DO think that she doesn't mind it if that's what she has to do to get him to stay. and CLEARLY, it WOULD get him to stay.
wait timestamp? I didnt see that part@@ShoesOnTheFreeway
Dang
now i might just be a little unstable but i know for a fact i have seen worse than this
Honestly, same.
Same Here dude
How much worse? Are we talking “Metamorphosis” worse or “The anime girl getting skinned alive” worse?
@@determinationfreak1656more like "those ugly bastards broke her"-worse.....
@@helmutstein1178never heard of that. sauce?
Actually, in the vision with Andrew and Ashley we can see the future of what happens, depending on which side we pick.
If we pick the right (sane) side, then the pictures go from left to right. Andy and Ley are happy together, but then Andy meets up with his ex, and Ley is heartbroken.
If we choose the left, then the pictures go from right to left. Andy and her ex break up for good, Ley is happy, then they find love for each other and...
Well
you know
Finally someone who also decided to read not so subtle hints of next episode in a dream sequence. :)
Also a little add up to it. Same path is actually explains the episode title demon gives her “LeyLey and LeyLey alone” and she collects ghosts in a jar in this path, maybe she will go on murder spree because he left her or even “pulls off Kotonoha” so to speak?
Nah, i think it's more about redeeming herself
Maybe collecting the souls she sacrificed to set them free? One is clearly the mother. (The last soul)
It's clearly seen as the "Good" route in my eyes. Honestly now i find it questionable if i should choose that over the insane one... i love some yandere jealousy love stories if Andy meets up with his ex @@mrksimka1159
@@mrksimka1159she kills everyone around him until it’s just Andy, who she doesn’t put in a jar
What a Macbeth situation this all is...
Either Andrew is getting really fed up/and Ashley is rolling in her control
Or they're either really in tune together in a really messed up way
...this wont end well either way
They're closer and in a way more lovingly, but she's losing control and hates that
@@Superniryeah exactly in both versions she’s loosing her grip on him but in case of one of scenarios it’s actually beneficial to her in a long run but she’s too self centered too see😂
@@mrksimka1159 yeah this is not going to end well at all...and part of me... really would've like a happy ending 🙃
Shouldn't imagine a good ending now cuz whatever happens to them next will certainly be finding more souls for the demon. Let's say they somehow make peace with each other, they still have to find and sacrifice people for souls and that's gonna become a problem, we also don't know much about demons in their world yet cuz clearly the demon in the cultist club looks hella powerful than the one Ashley and Andrew knows.
@@Flopamine if they're still being chased/on the run (which ofc they are) then yeah🥲
Like the tragedy voyeurs that we are, I cant wait to see what will happen
K so here’s how I see this, what it looks like is that there will be a romance ending, obviously this means that they will forever be together
This looks to be the Good but “technically” Bad Ending. Good because their relationship strengthened in the end to the point we’re they both trust each other fully and are both happy with each other.
Bad because this also means Andrew fully embraces corruption like Ashley, Ashley will never learn independence from Andrew and Andrew will now officially be fully entertaining and accept the Co-Dependency problem and will be ok with it..
The Sane ending is kinda tricky as there was no vision but however the fact that in order to get this ending, in the puzzle you have to place the Sun over Andrew and Ashley’s Plushy Frame on the left with the moon and stars, the broken heart over Ashley’s plush in the frame on the right and putting the heart over Andrew and what looks like Julia’s plushy in the frame on the right. It looks like Ashley will finally but somewhat regrettably let Andrew go and have his relationships with other women and deciding to just be siblings with him as they’re supposed to be..
If ending is real then this is the Overall Complete Good Ending, Their relationship strengthens to the point were Andrew, and or (possibly) Julia successfully convinces Ashley or Ashley convinces herself to end the blood oath and finally stop the Co dependency madness and madness in general. Andrew’s happy, Julia’s happy, and Ashley’s happy for Andrew and she will have a normal relationship with him going forward as siblings (Sun), but sad for herself? (Broken Heart) which might get better overtime?? And who knows they both might actually be able to live a normal life?
The Decay Ending is Clearly the Bad but “technically” Good ending. Bad because their relationship completely falls apart beyond repair, their situation worsens to the point of no escape and Andrew gives up on Ashley and seemingly himself and their situation of survival as he kills her and himself or just gets himself killed by her (If the gun still has rounds and she chooses to kill him)...
Technically Good only because the co dependency, corruption, manipulation, murder, and overall madness finally stops even though they had to die in order for it to happen. Basically all in short, the world will be in a slightly better place now that they are dead and won’t be sacrificing anymore people to the demon and eating them and etc.
Absolutely fantastic edit for the story branches, I've seen videos like this for other games such as Undertale, and this one's clarity, subtitling, and editing are perfect. Can't imagine it done better, appreciate it
This game: Welcome to McDeranged, home of the deranged. Which order of mental instability would you like?
Whatever you order comes with fresh meat, the darkest ketchup, and trauma-dip.
I think ashleys vision when she takes the sane route burial is foreshadowing how many more kills shes gonna get and how this is shown is when she is collecting the souls
despite her being an undebatably awful person who abuses and manipulates Andrew, the frame at 49:35 actually kinda makes me feel kinda sorry for Ashley since she really does love him, yet he absolutely hates her and even himself.
Can you really pin someone down as a psycho if they love someone as much? 🤔
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5 I’m no psychologist but, I think a “psycho’s” love is just horrifically messed up. So, even if a “psycho” did “love” somebody, it wouldn’t make them normal. Hopefully, I’m explaining this in a way that is understandable.
im 99% sure that andrew hates the fact that andy is in love with leyley so he's doing everything in his power to stop it
Ashley thinks Andrew hates her. Which is why she thinks she needs something to keep him with her, be it helping him sleep or literally having sex.
She can't comprehend that he likes her.
@@kunal1957 Indeed! Spit your shit brother 🗣️. Stop the best girl Ashley slander! 💯💯🔥
The interesting thing is that while Ashley seems to prefer being around Andrew in the Burial route she either hasn't gotten used to him or she outright knows that there's something wrong with her brother (which is probably true given the last part of the route) while in the Decay route she can control his actions in the present but won't be able to in the future so by that point Ashleys only choice would be to die by Andrews hands or kill him by her own.
I dont know if it means something but since in the two paths theres different ending scenes that one shows a eye in andrews hand and other one showing a cleaver I think that my mean something for the episode 3 I guess?
In burial route, it seems that demon marked him to find him easier like how it finds Ashley by using the trinket. While in decay, the picture of a cleaver, pack of cigarette and lighter implies that their relationship will go down hill or stuck and can't escape the loop of killing, sacrificing people to the demon or probably something worse.
@@Flopamine Yeah those actually makes sense honestly, I'm really excited to see what happens next. I would really feel bad seeing andrew and ashley having a bad relationship at all
Honestly burial route kitchen scene made me lose it lmao, Andrew has a great sense of humor, shame Ashley doesn’t appreciate him poking fun at mistakes too!
Oh, the irony. In burial the two seem so happy and comfortable with one another, yet Andrew has that mark on his hand that shows the Demon probably claimed his sould as a future sacrifice or possession.
Meanwhile in decay, their relation is getting worse. Andrew is snapping more at Ashley and clearly not willing to let her push him around. There won't be a demon involved, but Andrew is clearly going to get tired of Ashley's bullshit by the end of this and off her and then himself.
I love the fact that developer literally left the incest decision to the players. The routes we chose are briefly:
a1: Her's manipulative personality harms Andrew and when he cannot stand it, he kills Ashle and then himself. (In this ending, it is seen that the two siblings still care about each other)
a2: Ashley kills Andrew with her selfishness.
b: Ashley is reducing or giving up her obsession with Andrew.
c: Ashley, with the help of the devil (because Andrew had a birthmark later), controls Andrew's brain and feelings and attracts him to herself. It ensures that his eyes only see Ashle.
It's smart to only offer this as an option to players when making the c ending.
Umm no, the demon mark had nothing to do with Ashley. In fact it's just implied that that's the demon's way of allowing him into the demon world without the Talisman(Nemlei has even teased a scene of them in the dreamworld together in the next chapter).
Andrew's always had that attraction, he just tried to deny it(which is outright stated in chapter 2 and they make it very clear that he was only with Julia to distract himself from that fact).
The actual point is that Andrew is a sociopath just like Ashley(though even worse as the friendship one directly show that his soul is also a tar soul and is in fact even worse than Ashley's), and the mark showed up shortly after both the demon expressed desire to meet with Andrew in that world and Andrew stopped hiding his sociopathy, which has been heavily hinted at throughout both chapters.
Overall I do't get why people blame Ashley for how Andrew ends up in that route, it's really just how Andrew is when he isn't trying to gaslight himself and those around him into thinking he's normal, Ashley didn't mind control Andrew in any route nor did he break outside of Decay
@@traehignight Are u devoloper? How do u know? Yes Andrew is also sociopath but Ashley is still manipulating him.
Honestly Andrew is more scarier than Ashley
Like he has the same obsession Ashley has with him just in a more controlling way he knows how to hide and maintain a facade better while leyley is more of a psycho brute :v
u know what I mean?
Like in decay u can see how he decide to say hidden until he can snap Ashley neck cause he want to stay in his little bubble that his not a crazy biatch to, while in burial we can see how he’s accepting he’s fvcked up too and he starts embracing leyley and the idea of what they are and can be 😏🥵💀💀💀
Nah I’m just kidding (maybe)
My point is that he starts seeing her as a team instead of a bitch treating him like a puppet or a dog or whatever he thinks
The last time when people been looking for game details as thoroughly was with Deltarune chapters. And it took entire community to find them.
Nice job, keep it going!
Andrew: trying to disprove the sweet home Alabama
Ashley: NUH UH.
andrew is an interesting character because his priority has always been to keep himself safe he doesn't fear the crime itself but the consequences .Ironically ashley 'killed' her 'andy' the moment she laughed at him for giving in to her and not stopping her from killing her childhood friend ... she created this or these versions of andrew ,different versions but with same core andy's love towards his sister .ashley can vaguely feel 'andy' inside of andrew and subtley tries to bring him back not realising the futility of her actions ... perhaps ,she thinks that only 'andy' can love her despite her 'character' leading to not acknowledge andrew's affection.
when it comes to the routes , decay and burial are sus , the latter seem better but the demon is sus af while the former is heavier but without the demon ...
Thanks for the video! I hope you will make route comparison of the next episode too!!
imma be hella fucking impressed if this becomes a good ending of a story somehow unless they go back in time i dont see it
Thank you for these vids, ever since I discovered this game/story I can't keep it out of my mind lately lol it's _crazy._ (pun intended)
A lot of Yoututbers who defend andy and leyley say that the incest route is supposed to be a bad ending when it's very clear that you can make worse choices that will lead to the siblings killing one another if I'm not wrong but these TH-camrs are too concerned with not looking like immoral people. I mean by their eyes what exactly would be considered a good ending? Does it have to be morally correct? Cuz that's impossible when cannibalism is literally unavoidable in the game XD
Burial is more fun while decay is more “realistic” with the characters mental state patterns
If dishonest people admit to a crime right away. It's to conceal an even larger crime.
I love the questionable route for no reason in particular
a choice between.....
a psychotic brother who is willing to murder her own sister, no regrets but nothing weird involved
or
an incestous relationship but they will not yap about stupid ass things at all.
personally ima play both routes, wannna see what will happen
55:31 What was that noise?
RPG make sound I guess
Either way, I'm choosing the wincest route. The best route 🗿
13:49 My favorite part of the whole game, way too relatable to my own siblings.
I’m not completely sure about this but apparently burial is the cannon route so do with that information as you see fit
8:01 theory 8:36 confiremd💀💀💀
1:52 Ashley: with this treasure I summon-
Its hard to tell which one is the canon route bc they both makes sense than they don't give, maybe when the full game is finished and its a full play through than maybe we could be able to tell which one
u know, this is kinda messed up, cuz i can't tell wich ending is better, when they do the incest shit they are kinda closer u know, but that ain't good, also the sane ending, they do look like they are gonna get in some trouble with eachother again, and about the decay, one of them is going to die, but that isn't good also, it's kinda hard to choose the right path
I prefer the first outcome of the Decay ending, simply because I want to see Andrew stop being a “Doormat Extraordinaire”.
You do realize there’s in no good outcome here. This two people can’t have a good outcome. You just choosing a shade of black. It’s a pick your poison decision. I’m pretty sure even burial endings in episode 3 will not be happy for both of them because this two will still ruin it all it’s in a nature of parasitic sociopaths. Yes I am doing home-couch psychology here 😅
@@luckyanubis_ i prefer the incest one, cuz at least they are happy, not for too long but they are happy
@@mrksimka1159 they can't even have a good conversation how they are gonna get a good outcome lmao
@@xavieramaro2661 well let’s be fair Ashley can have good conversations. With herself mostly. So monologues more? Her ego trip during dinner scene in decay about “consuming people essence” is very good conversation to have with a shrinks 😂😂😂
I'm under 15 but I'm very mature and my parents let me play 18+ games when I was a kid like bloodborne
Its a good game, not going to buy it but its well written and the creator should be proud.
Burial route is funny because le incest, but gotta say that decay piques my interest quite a lot as well.
The questionable route, also known as the Habsburg Strategy
I will now complain about the gruesome scenes that i saw, even though i read the discretion and i am already over the age of 15
I may be under 15 but mentally 15+
If there is a cannon ending let it be the decay one because my boy andrew needs to kill his sister
Gotta agree honestly fucked up part is he was a normal kid at first
I honestly think after some thought that the decay route is likely the more “realistic” route. The reason I say this is because when I think about Andrew’s reactions to being called Andy at 9:17, 1:06:34, and 1:51:28 in your play through of episode 2 video
Giving these reactions, The burial route when you are cleaning out the drain and Ashley calls Andrew “Andy”, and Andrew responds “playfully” doesn’t really make sense and is not consistent with his character development about that name as he truly absolutely DESPISES that Name as shown in those time stamps and now responds to it more aggressively. In the decay route ending in EP 2, he was even thinking about choking her out again for calling him that..
That’s why I say the Decay route is likely the realistic route.. I could dare say that it probably might be the more proper canon route..
When it comes to choosing to accept but decline his parents offer, one thing I think the writer might’ve overlooked is the importance of dialogue about them being sold out in decay unlike burial. That is to say that I feel that Andrew expressing how he feels about his parents selling them out when accepting but declining the offer is just as important as it was in the dialogue when you straight up Decline their offer.
In burial he basically did indirectly let his mom know that he knew she was full of crap, given his gestures and how he responded to things she was saying..
But in decay, he only just says he’s stuck, like.......that’s all he’s got to say as if he foolishly truly would be willing to overlook his parents wanting them dead and thinking it was a blessing... I feel in decay it would have been more realistic for him to say something like “I wish I could say yes to that honestly, but I cant, I wish I had parents that actually gave a damn and actually cared to offer me a job without the bullshit..I wish I wasn’t so fucking stuck more than you could ever know.”
Ashley most likely would have still gotten mad about the stuck part which still would make them at odds.
Andrew responding "playfully" to Ashley when being called Andy in Burial route does not mean he starts to accept being called like that, he still gets mad and literally asks Ashley to take what she said back but in a playful manner, and he only forgives her that one time, later on Ashley does not dare to say Andy once, because she knows Andrew has changed and started having the higher ground than her, but he does not leave as he chose to be loyal to her as long as she behaves, which she's still confused about.
Andrew already made a decision right when he left the cultist neighbor's room that he and his sister would not trust anyone, even their parents. When Mrs. Graves tries reasoning with him before the ritual, he doesn't care to listen, because he knows his mom will try to convince him to let them go in one way or another, only when the mom says it is about Ashley does Andrew care, he already knew what his parents did and did not need to hear any further explanation from them at that point, so there's no point in arguing how Andrew reacts to being sold by the parents, choosing to accept or decline the deal is choosing to make him move on or linger over the fact that he can be helped to be a normal person once again, but just like in Burial, Andrew in Decay knows he can not trust his parents, so he still refuses, the difference is he can not move on and let his mom's words affect him, making him feel worse about his life.
As Kit9 Studio confirmed in Progress Report#1, Decay and Burial routes do not have any clear hints or are intended to be good/bad, realistic, or canon routes, which means Andrew and Ashley's relationship in Burial can still be messed up, or mended in Decay, at this point there's no reason to argue which route is better as the game will certainly have the endings you prefer which do not mess up other endings writing. Both Decay and Burial routes have to exist as two sides of the coin, they have their own values.
Also don't forget the fact that Andrew almost breaks his promise when calling Ashley "Leyley" after leaving the cultist club or before he hugs Ashley and goes outside to get money from Mrs. Graves bank account.
@@Flopamine The difference with that is that he did it accidentally, when it comes to the cultist club I find reason to believe him when he said that he only said it so that he wouldn’t reveal her actual name. The second one was definitely an accident and he reacted to it accordingly... Ashley does it on purpose as she knows it bothers him
@@Flopamine I know that doesn’t necessarily mean that he starts accepting it when he playfully reacted that way... I just think it’s weird after all the other times that she called him that and he got really pissed because of it (and it showed), Then this time, he responded lighter than those other times out of nowhere..
In the burial ending he tells her that Andy is dead and that he doesn’t think he needs anything. This was also a light response to her calling him Andy again but a bit heavier and more serious than the playful one he looked serious while saying it too..
@@jbckidd_dontmewitme3908
As I've said Andrew still takes the pet names thing serious in Burial, but as he manages to bury his Andy self, there's no Andy for Ashley to call out here, Ashley starts to realize she should really stop using that name and she must start accepting Andrew, the pet names are no longer a bother in that route, because Andrew takes that out of his system, not that he makes light of it.
The game def has mogeko castle vibes
Naw bro i think I'll complain, I wasn't warned
I think the decay route might actually be the closest to the true ending, if the title is anything to go by the coffin of "Andy" could be in reference to Andrew completely killing off his naivety and weakness, a lot of family members just have a primal urge to help and defend the rest of the family but after everything Ashley's done to him I would think that over time he would start seeing her less as family and more as a rabid pet dog, a dangerous creature with malicious intent, too far gone to reason with but somebody has to keep it in check, eventually the only way to deal with a rabid pet is to put it down.
Sure it's family but it's doing so much damage to you and just about everyone else it comes in contact with, it's not worth it anymore, to me this is the most natural course of events just based on the title and other real situations like it, usually once a family member has done something irredeemable then the rest of the family shuts them out as any normal person would.
The coffin of "Leyley" speaks for itself I think.
This game is weird 😢
I actually like Andrew. Why?
BECAUSE HE’S ACTUALLY THE ONLY SANE ONE, JUST PICK THE RIGHT CHOICES
Dude… Andrew actually he is kinda more fuck up than Ashley. He just knew how to pretend he is not.
he's not sane
Decay better
Incest is bad and all but compared to the fact they butchered their neighbor and there parents then ate them, committed multiple crimes to be honest its not as bad
I agree, a lot of Yoututbers who defend andy and leyley say that the incest route is supposed to be a bad ending when it's very clear that you can make worse choices that will lead to the siblings killing one another if I'm not wrong but these TH-camrs are too concerned with not looking like immoral people. I mean by their eyes what exactly would be considered a good ending? Does it have to be morally correct? Cuz that's impossible when cannibalism is literally unavoidable in the game XD
I'm glad I got the true ending first try, totally wasn't on purpose ;)
Im glad there is no rule 34 of the hair clogg in the drain
Soooo, what do we have here:
-The "We Will Kill Each Other" Route
-The Normal Route
-The "Sibling Sex" Route
AH, YES, MY FAVOURITES
I mean even in the normal route they still murdered and ate their parents.
*alabama route
Roll the music please *Sweet Home Alabama playing*
@@baneofbanes In fact they're killing parents in all the routes. The "normal"ness I'm talking about is the vision or rather its absence in The Normal Route. While in other routes...well..
Demon: ...YOuR brOTheR wiLL fUckIng kILl YoU
or
Demon: ...YOuR brOTheR wiLL BaNG yOU. HehEHHEhEHEHe
So, yeah XDDD
@@noctusfatumi just realized the demon is a goddamn wingman, it saw a chance (mom outrageous respond to Andrew) and it immediately hook for it by giving know-nothing Ashley a guide to bring her brother into vision along with her
Truly the greatest wing-demon of all time
Interesting how Andrew and Ashley has better relationship in Burial because Ashley is less manipulative and Andrew decides to embrace his sociopathy.
The most wholesome part is in the most questionable route. Love this game for being so twisted lol.
he is most definitely NOT sociopathic. he shows distress about resorting to killing the neighbor and attacking his parents, and is extremely flustered after the vision the talisman gave him. he cares for ashley and its for that reason that he sticks around. (plus her manipulation) but point is he very much has at least some regard from other people. Judging from his mother’s dialogue, he was even more so before ashley manipulated him into being increasingly numb to the killing.
@@rabies6418 Let's agree to disagree. Imo, it's hard to see Andrew as somewhat sane since he regrets not giving the warden a slower death in his nightmare and completely okay with sacrificing someone who never harms him for unknown demon. He was the one to suggest killing their neighbour before Ashley shoots his idea down. Ashley is manipulative but Andrew does have his own agency.
@@rabies6418
For me it seems more like a facade, his actual worries are actually messed up and I doubt it's completely on Ashley, despite her constant manipulation on him. After all, he's genuinely happy in the burial endings and it's just weird that he gets more flustered and shows more emotions when her Mom inquires about him fucking Ashley and after his dream, than the whole ordeal with eating people and killing his parents or random people (and demons). He's probably more scared of being more similar to Ashley than he wants to think, and tries to deny it because it goes against his imposed moral compass. This ends with him accepting the way that Andrew and Ashley are or keep denying and hating himself and her even more.
@@juanchoxdiaz Bingo. Even in the past, he's more afraid of getting caught and separate himself from Ashley. It's not 'What have we done? She doesn't deserve to die!' but 'She died! What if people know it's us?'. Andrew's morality is questionable.
Balancing the scales I suppose
This game is like an illegal substance, you want more of it and you want none of it at the same time, bravo to the developer by twisting my brain with the possibility of some brother and sister gut twisting (both good and bad)
This just gave me 1d4 psychic damage
you have such a way with words 😭
@@circletinetauv2100 Thank you kind sir
@@ABlueThing ok lets be honest that was actually a good way to say it
@@-AGGRESIVEPEANUT- "It's super effective!"
Love the contrast between each route, one where Andrew lets his facade drop and one where he just stays the same.
Ok I actually wanna ask which one is which for you? Because for me in both roads he let’s his facade broke it’s just that consequences are different because of how he views his sister.
@@mrksimka1159 burial
@@natax1737one word answer great.😂 That didn’t helped me sorry for being dumb, but is this one where facade drops or stays for you?
@@mrksimka1159 where his facade drops, since he acts a little bit more like his sister and "acts like her', instead where decay their relationship "decays" more, since Ashley has the vision where Andrew kills her.
then in burial you have love and sane route, love is just the "most natural" outcome, since it's only about time that happens, and then sane where they stay as dependant to each other.
Either way, in both Andrew either stays stays under manipulation or slightly changes to be more dominant.
@@natax1737ok I can agree with that assessment now.👍
I noticed two things:
1. In the Burial Route, it's interesting that even with the questionable options, Ashley doesn't really care one way or the other if Andrew may or may not want her that way. She basically sees it as a way to keep him from abandoning her if it really comes down to it. And that actually might mirror the mom's mentality of love and loyalty.
2. In the Decay Route, when Andrew starts to get aggressive, he clearly feels guilty when Ashley starts to cry. He's not to the point he'd be ready to kill her come Episode 3, but once he no longer feels remorse for making her cry, that's the end right there.
honestly andrew seems even more fked up than leyley.. she just wants his attention because she had no friends and her parents ignored her. she isnt interested in sexual relationship, however she would be fine with it if it meant he stays around.. and considering he groped her in front of their mother!!.. and the way he wanted his gf to look like leyley, its quite clear he is actually the one who has those kinds of feelings, not her.. also clearly he is complete psycho
@@Ajajaj321 Andrew is definitely not more fked up, Andrew has been warped into what he is by his sister. Any time he gets close to someone who isn't her she does her absolute best to get rid of and eventually kill them, she constantly gaslights and manipulates him, she pushed him into cannibalism, she has absolutely traumatized and isolated him every since they were young. Andrew has had no support from anyone, even his parents, in dealing with her crazy shit and he just copes the best that he can by trying to ignore all the fucked up shit in his mind and life and just keep moving forward.
Ashley is certainly fine with a sexual relationship, she even says that she expected it to happen eventually in one of the routes. She is not fine with Andrew having literally anyone else in his life except for her and she plans to be the same with him. She with her crazy fixation on him has forced Andrew into being her father figure, her brother, her best friend, and probably even her lover soon.
@@redridingcape
Andrew was the first to think about cannibalizing the neighbor when Ashley was still thinking about it, he was the first to bring up if it was illegal to mess with the corpse, when Ashley said she was joking at first, without Ashley agreeing to do so, I doubt if he actually wanted to proceed.
Andrew killed the warden without any hesitance, in his dream sequence he even wanted to kill that guy slower because he always leer at Ashley.
Andrew was also the one who thought about "convincing" the 302 lady to help them fool the other warden, and then killed that girl himself as he believed he could not leave any witness, and Ashley would also agree to do so.
Andrew is a smooth talker whenever he communicates with random people like the cultist, even the cult leader buys his excuse for not wearing a robe, he can play along with mom and acts like everything is fine while Ashley is unable too.
There are many other instances proving Andrew can be as cold and unbothered as Ashley, you just need to rewatch ep 1 and then ep 2 and connect the details with each other.
So nope, Andrew is as fucked up as Ashley, he just hides it better than Ashley, cuz he needs to keep up appearances, just like his mother, who is also a bad person, once there's no reason to act like a normal person anymore, he opens himself and has a drastic change in personality that even Ashley can not yet fully comprehend in Burial.
And don't talk like Ashley is the one who asks for a sexual relationship with Andrew when all she wants right from the beginning, is Andrew always on her side, if you choose the "Never" option after the questionable vision in Burial, the game let you know that Ashley respects Andrew's choices if he doesn't want to be that close to his sister, all she cares is Andrew chooses to stay with her, nothing else matters. Even in if you choose "Never say never" option, which literally allows Andrew to accept his incest thoughts in the future, Ashley still doesn't push and force Andrew into it, you also need to understand that the incest vision is meant as a bad thing, so both of them may choose to avoid going down that path completely once they figure out why it's bad.
@@Flopamine Obviously they are both fked up, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge that it started with Ashley and also his parents for not helping him deal with her and for being neglectful to the extreme.
Yes, Andrew does plenty of fked up shit, and he certainly has responsibility for what he has done, but I think it's really stupid to say "honestly andrew seems even more fked up than leyley", which is the part of their comment which compelled me to comment. The only way you can justify that idea is by just completely ignoring huge parts of the story.
@@redridingcape
You clearly didn't read thru my whole comment to say that I said or meant Andrew was more messed up than Ashley, I'm simply trying to prove that both siblings are equally bad, and correcting a few things that you got wrong when talking about Ashley's view in incest.
I find it interesting that in both routes ashley seems worried or even distressed at not having the control she had over him before since he's changing. I can't wait to see how their dynamic becomes even more fucked up in both routes in the next chapter in two totally different ways based on how they are right now!!/nsrs
I think that the power dynamic will change fully. We can see it with decay but I feel like burial will have a entire 180 in terms of their relationship. Right now it seems somewhat healthy but there’s just no way that sort of thing is sustainable 🤧
I was thinking that same thing. Like she's not happy either way despite them both having favourable outcomes for HER
as far as i can tell the difference between andy and andrew is that andy is more "normal", easily manipulated and if pushed to the very limit, can become psychopathic and apathetic, while andrew is open about how much he uhhh... "likes" his sister, is not apathetic but more calm and serene when doing traumatizing things, and generally becomes more sociopathic and matches his sister's frequency while becoming more independent and choosing to go with ashley's whims not because she's forcing him to, but because he ACTUALLY WANTS TO. there is no way he gets normal. btw andy is still plenty attracted to ashley but andrew is just FUCKING SHAMELESS
Andrew got that dawg in him
@@deanmalto1386 ashley finna get some dawg meat in her too
@@deanmalto1386🗿🍷
@@deanmalto1386 and Ashley got that Andrew in ‘er
On the contrary, I actually think that "Andy" is the one who likes his sister. I think after choosing to decline the parents offer, "Andy" takes over and that's why he's so much more flirty and sociopathic. "Andy" and LeyLey/Ashley are two sides of the same coin with Ashley being the more impulsive one and Andy being the more analytical one.
Andrew on the other hand, is the one in the decay route that is sick of Ashley's shit. He still likes her but she pisses him off so much he doesn't care (Like he says almost word for word in the choking scene in chapter 1). Andrew is almost completely apathetic and by the end of the Decay route, he's completely resigned to the fact he can't escape from Ashley.
I prefer the burial route. Andrew actually becomes a lot happier and while he isn't a doormat for Ashley anymore, he still cares for her to very large degree that killing her is not an option. Ashley in this ending seems to realise that Andrew is just as screwed up as her and is shocked by it. Now she doesn't know whether or not this Andrew is better than the other one and is walking around eggshells. It also seems like Ashley could be mortified at the fact that if Andrew was really this messed up like her, then why did she hurt him so many times, all of which were harrowing and deep. Like if you had a crush on someone but do terrible things to that person and find out that person actually likes you, you'd be absolutely ashamed ir guilty of what you've done. Although, that could just be me thinking too far in another road
Its giving Ashley too much credit. From what im getting, she wants to control Andy totally. Andrew is more independent of her will and she hates that.
@@Linkophere She wants to control Andrew because she's scared that he'd leave and that would leave her in perpetual lonliness. Does this mean she is justified, absolutely not. But considering the fact that both her and Andrew were screwed up due to circumstances outside of their control, her more than Andrew, it'd be unfair to just spare Andrew's happiness and cast her off to the dirt, ignoring the fact that she was left with neglectful parents and toxic friends. At least that's the way I see it.
@@daniel-mz8gn nah Ashley is just a psychopath
@@Some_random_Stickman without a doubt, but to say that she is just a psycho is wrong as well. She does care for Andrew but with her being passed off as a burden by her own parents, ostracized in school, friends ignore her time and time again, couple with the fact that Andrew has all these connections and more, Ashley realised that there's quite literally nothing that she has or does that other people don't do for him thus the likelihood of him abandoning her(at least in her eyes) is not only possible but completely understandable to any human being, rational or not.
@@daniel-mz8gn Nah bro we don't care about her stop empathizing with a psychopath. She can go. You thinking too deeply about her bro. She's ostracized because SHE IS A PSYCHOPATH! She tortures and assaults anyone who likes Andrew or that Andrew is a close friend, hence her deserved terrible reputation.
Andrew would be better off abandoning her weird psycho butt. Nothing in her character has us to empathize with 😬
It's really impressive that already there are two routes in the game. It's even more so when each route isn't directly good, nor bad. With each having an equal amount of bad and good scenarios in each.
i find that the best horror (imo) are the stories where everything feels hopeless/inescapable. its not scary if the ordeal couldve been solved by calling 911 but the protags are too dumb to think of that. its way scarier when it feels like even smart and resourceful people are stuck in a nightmarish existence. both options being pretty messed up feels really fitting for this story
@@echo8844I don't think calling 911 would've saved them IMO considering the way the wardens were acting.
Andrew being jealous of "Andy" is probably the most insane thing ever.
It's not a DID subject, trust, but it's so eerie that from the first episode, Andrew deliberately hated Andy and wanted him to die with Leyley once the siblings left that facility. Now? It definitely shows how bothered Andrew is when Ashley wants "Andy" instead of Andrew 😭
This game is so fucked that I'm so intrigued with everything. All the endings match and I believe they're all true endings however the individual playing this game interprets this game.
(As much as them dying in the end seems like a cliche ending, it's very fitting and I WANT IT TO HAPPEN. It's truly "till death to us part" because they'll finally be rid of their codependency.)
I hope the decay ending ends with him killing her and learning to live on his own. My man's been through enough he doesn't deserve to be manipulated for the rest of his life
I really like how both siblings love and hate one of the others "personas" and its the opposite for both. Andrew wants to stay as pure siblings with Ashley but Andy loves Ashley so he wants him to disappear. Andrew also really hates Leyley.
Ashley and Leyley are completely focused on Andy and view Andrew as someone else who tries to escape from them at all cost or might even harm them.
So one is stuck in the past while the other desperately wants to move on.
Facts @@shoelessbandit1581
Which one is stuck in the past and which one wants to move on? Hope u saying ANDREW wants to move on from her and his Andy bs. @@luminous3558
@@shoelessbandit1581Idk in the sus ending he did seem quite... Satisfied 🥴
i will say this again, The questionable, messed up and straight up degenerate route are the "best" for them. It is the entire point of their character, they are the worst people that belong to each other, just like Scott and Ramona. Heck this game is basically an extremely twisted version of Scott vs The World.
How the heck did you even come up with that comparison? This two are too far removed from Scott and Ramona
@@mrksimka1159 do you even comprehend what I'm saying?
@@xavreim6957 You compared them to Scott and Ramona and called it “worst people deserving each other” I think it’s easy to understand no? I disagreed because I never seen Scott and Ramona as bad people in the first place. They made mistakes in their lives sure but your summary is very extreme and borderline wrong imo. And saying that Andy and LeyLey is them but worst? Missed me with this one sorry.😂
@@mrksimka1159 oh but Scott and Ramona is the worst people tho, Scott is a manipulative douchebag that literally grooming a minor to be his girlfriend for filling his ego, not that he actually love her knives in anyways after dumping Kim and before meeting Ramona. It's gotten worsen that he immediately dumped Knives after meeting Ramona, his own negativity actually manifest into being called Nega-Scott.
Ramona might not be the worst, but knowing well she streaking 7 exes in her records should tell you something no? Most of them are actually Ramona faulty until Gideon give her the taste of her own medicine. She sees her past relationship with other are nothing sort of "phase" and curiousity with little to no regards of other feelings, she's also cheated more than once.
That's why I see similarities, even I said that Ashley and Andrew relationship are extremely twisted version, not literally in equal score as Scott and Ramona. But both franchise are selling the stories 2 worst people that trying to move on from their past and becoming a better person from before.
The only reason you think it's far too removed is only because Scott Pilgrim are heavily leaning towards comedy-drama instead psychological horror drama.
@@xavreim6957 I think you completely misinterpreting both O’mailey comics and this game. But opinions are opinions so no point in debating further because we both will stay on our side of the fence and I see you using westerner liberal buzzwords in your explanation which tells me your POV is completely different from mine when it comes to Scott Pilgrim. So conversation over we might as well start talking to walls at this point.
I would pick the decay route cause it would make sense after all this time when Ashley keeps breaking her promise when it's the only one thing Andrew asked of her and that's it. Having one of them killed in the end would either set them free or having all that pent up mental breakdown finally unleashed
The beauty of how the characters and events are written it this game, is that it feels like both routes can canonically take place because they diverge on very minor objective differences. The Andrew's "deal" with mother is a prime example, it could really go either way. He sees his mom is BS'ing him and trying to escape the situation. Both "you're lying, there's no way out for you or for me, also don't rag on Ashley" and "oh god I'm in too deep but I can't trust you because you clearly lie" responses could happen, it just depends on Andrew's mental state at that precise moment. Same with Ashley's decisions really. To the point it's pretty much up to the player's interpretation of the events
It is clear that they're codependent most of the time, so the death of one of them will most likely cause the death of the other in the near future.
I agree I honestly think the decay route is the best one of the two
I generally agree with your sentiment. However, in the burial route, ashley actually starts calling him andrew more often, because she directly notices andrew changing and becoming more honest with himself. Which in turn leads to him not being as conflicted anymore (less nightmares and insomnia).
So while ashley never gives a shit about andrew's thoughts and wishes in the decay route, which makes Andrew's hate for her very justified and fitting, in the burial route, he actually forces ashley to respect his wishes by becoming more dominant, independent and overall less of a doormat.
You could say that in the decay route, their relationship becomes more and more toxic and Andrew finally acknowledges how awful ashley treats him. He starts treating her worse in return, which she obviously deserves 100%.
But in the burial route, their relationship actually improves and becomes a lot more honest. Ironically, especially in the questionable version. Andrew starts being more open about his repressed feelings towards ashley and starts showing her genuine affection.
Not the "I'll stick with you because you constantly manipulate and threaten me into it" affection. His actual unconditional affection for his sister, which has been there since chapter 1, but he always tried to hide.
Ashley being more trusting towards him is what led to that. If you distrust him at the parent's house, you move towards the decay route. If Ashley shows her trust in him, he in return gets more honest towards her and himself.
And because she starts to realise that andrew actually likes her, even without her constant manipulation, she stops calling him andy, which was a way to manipulate him.
Because ultimately, Ashley's manipulation and coercion of andrew happened because ashley wanted andrew to love her, but she was 100% convinced that he doesn't, like literally everyone else who ever stepped into her life. Her own parents, her friends, no one ever liked her. And she was convinced that if she doesn't "force" andrew to like her, he'd hate her as well. Which might have actually been the truth when they were still kids.
In the questionable version of the burial route, ashley starts to realise that andrew actually loves her without being forced to. Because andrew makes it quite obvious. And that's why she doesn't call him andy as often in the burial route. She simply doesn't manipulate him as much, because she starts to believe that manipulation isn't necessary to get Andrew's love.
Basically, in decay, the relationship between "Andy and Leyley" stays the same. Ashley doesn't trust andrew and therefore continues to manipulate him as much as possible. Andrew starts hating her more and more for it. The relationship between "Andy and Leyley" becomes more and more toxic and ultimately "decays".
In Burial, the relationship between "Andy and Leyley" changes. Ashley starts thrusting Andrew, Andrews rewards her trust with honesty and openness (showing his genuine affection for her), Ashley notices the genuine affection and stops manipulating him.
The relationship between "Andy and Leyley" gets "buried" and replaced with a new relationship between Andrew and Leyley. This one is built on honesty, trust. It unfortunately involves incest. The one between Andy and Leyley was built on manipulation and threats.
I genuinely believe that the questionable burial route will end up being a necessary step to reach whatever the true ending is going to be. It's the only ending in which both Andrew and Ashley are honest towards one another. It's the route in which they end up the most the most "equal footing".
In decay, andrew is quite honest towards ashley, but ashley is as manipulative as ever and the power is almost entirely in her hands. He specifically points out that he has no choice but to go along with her whims.
In sane burial, Ashley is a bit less honest, but Andrew starts totally repressing his incestuous feelings towards Ashley again, which have been hinted at throughout the entire game. The power is fairly balanced.
In questionable burial, Andrew is more honest and open than he's ever been, Ashley shares more of her thoughts, like openly telling andrew she feels like he has changed (she doesn't do that in sane burial). The power is also fairly balanced.
@@dennisleonardo2992man this is long, but also based. I have basically the same exact thoughts
Lesson learnt:
*Ashley can make dry soup apparently.*
Oh believe me it's possible, my brother sucks so much at making chicken I had a existential crisis over if I even liked chicken cause his was always so moist yet somehow dry
@@Caddance dry chicken is sad chicken
@@CaddanceHydrophobic aaahhh chicken 💀💀💀😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
This is probably offtopic but once the humans explore all of the oceans, just imagine their horrified face after seeing so much dead bodies thrown onto the ocean.
Thank goodness for decomposition.
@@StitchPen ong
I actually feel really bad for Andrew in the decay route… he just wants to have a normal life but can’t because of Ashley
And i thought i was the only one, i know how you feel. Andrew having a sibling that is manipulative and even a seducer, yeah poor him.
Naah, Andrew is as fucked up as his sister, he just hides it better.
well...
it's not like it wasn't his choice 😐
Sure...someone is not paying attention to the game, they both have their little mental problems.
someone didnt pay attention like shut up tbh
I'm probably strange for preferring the "Decay" route despite clearly knowing its route will be far more bloody or depressing. What really sold me was the ending. Andrew calls Ashley out for her manipulation, and her lies, and Ashley seems to genuinely ponder. When Andrew loses it (Ashley tried to worm her way out of saying Andy because it was OK before) and grabs his sister, Ashley replies with "What do you want, Andrew?" tear in her eye. He seemed regretful, like he shouldn't have done that, before going back to his joking and sarcastic attitude. Really hoping their relationship really can become one where they really love each other as family, without Andrew needing to embrace the chaos. Although at this point they've already got so much blood and cannibalism... can't say it's all that great either way. That in addition to the fact that Andrew himself isn't exactly a good Samaritan to begin with either.
Although i'm also on the train of thought that, no matter what, the Demon will sacrifice at least one of them by the end of the game. So... even if this "Cope" of mine comes to fruition, I also can't imagine that either/or one of them will live.
They are bad bad people. I don't expect happy ending for either of them
I agree with that Decay is my preffered route.
Andrew is at his best in that route because he's having to deal with the full brunt of the situation (his whole family, including himself, is fucked and its made no better by the mixed feelings of hate and love he carries for them). I realy liked the scene of him having to dissect the corpses because you can see those two parts of him tearing at him and its begining to change him.
Decay results with the most character development for Andrew imo, as it almost seems like he's reluctantly realized how horrible of a person he is, in the process removing Ashley's main way to manipulate him as it seems like he's begun to think that maybe they both just deserve to die.
It's also a bonus that he's turned the tables on Ashley in their relationship which then forces her to recognise the intensity of the situation as things are ramping up against her and at one point she'll no longer be able to just brush off her actions which is some prime material.
In short they're both horrible people but Andrew having to deal with this realization of his own nature rather than just accepting it makes me much more interested in Decay compared to Burial.
I also agree that the Decay route seems to be the best for Andrew. While the siblings have a much more adversarial relationship in this path, Andrew seems to still be resistant to Ashley’s psychopathy. The small detail at the end where he doesn’t get the demon mark on his hand (probably because he didn’t use the charm), also helps this case in my mind.
The route of burial is for cowards and weaboos, the route of decay is for those of us who know the reality.
I know it’s because Ashley is just worried about having control over Andrew, but I find it hilariously ironic that she is worried about him having less of a reaction to stressful and fucked up situations considering he is literally mirroring her own behavior
Well you could say that she’s concerned for “herself”
I love how the difference between the routes is whether or not they're happy and content in their insanity lmao
Fun fact ashley's hair shifted in her sleep.
Second, in the "Alabama path" the names of the pictures change after you place the plushie.
How did hee hair shift, do you have two time stamps?
26:09 pony tail on her left
26:57 pony tail not seen on her right yet (both from burial route)
38:11 pony tail on her right (decay route) ignorable
40:54 pony tail on her right (burial, "alabama" route)
Sadly no cutscene of her waking up in burial sane route
35:40 if you look at the details more attentively, you will notice that Andrew's soul is tar!!! does this mean that he is much worse than Ashley? in any case, now it's just guesswork, we'll find out everything in Chapter 3
I doubt it. At most he's descending to being her equal in immorality. She was by far the worse of the two in episode one, but only moderately/somewhat worse in chapter 2.
it could be his lungs after all, he is a smoker
Not worse. Catching up.
He's worse than the mom.
@@idiotic_cisco8210Tar Soul + Tar Lungs - Aware
Do we know for sure that's Andrew?
It's funny how Burial route is an example where putting two negatives will make something positive out of it. I never thought it would be possible, but it's just how it is.
Personally, I'd pick burial route in a heartbeat, because it's the most positive outcome for the two given the current version. I know Ashley may have deserve decay route to some extent because of how she've been. But I feel like the lack of love from her parents and mental help is what made her end up being fucked up and dependent to Andrew like that. I'm not optimistic enough about getting a redemption arc for Ashley, especially that horror games meant to get worse as we go deeper, but why not? Or at least someone who picked burial route might hope for something nice if only.
I don't really care much about incest. Especially I'm aware that the entire story and choices is just for the game and doesn't represent who we are in real life. 😂
It's just nice to see how some people came to understanding of picking burial route with an open mind despite of how so much people in this fandom still can't get over of having incest in the theme despite how there's already more than enough undertones from the start that warns them about it.
I couldn't blame anyone who end up pairing both of them either given how much chemistry and build up was done for both of them.
You and me both. I couldn't care less for the incest, I just want a happy ending
Honestly they are both incredibly broken and toxic but their toxicity synergism’s and both of them care deeply for the other. Ashley is extremely possessive and manipulative. Andrew cares for her, feels responsibility for her, and is apparently attracted to her. However he rejects these feelings because 1. She is his sister, and 2. He is basically the one who raised her. However her manipulation and refusal to change has grated on him. He sets boundaries but she refuses to follow because she wants to be in control. This leads to two paths, either he will need to accept her and his feelings for her and acknowledge the twisted relationship which has formed, or he will kill her. Because Andrew is also a possessive yandere. He has several moments detailing that he won’t let her go and will kill to protect her. So he will either continue the relationship or end it and potentially himself along with her. As he says. He will put her in the trunk and drive off the bridge. If he kills her, he isn’t living to see the aftermath,
@@daniel-mz8gn Aint no way bro...
@@Brxwn9 what's wrong? Did I say something weird?
@@daniel-mz8gnMove on dude, nobody cares if you want them to die
One strange thing I found cool is that the music sped up makes a new track.
Another thing, is that the music changes for each route.
Andrew's Decay ending is the best ending for me, since i feel Andrew has been manipulated by everyone around him and just decided to put a stop to it by finally cutting off the root of his lifelong issues, his diabolical sister; Ashley
I dunno, it seems like the Decay will end with Andrew killing Ashley then himself. Burial is more fucked up but also somehow wholesome?
Yeah i prefer decay personally
I do not think Andrew is as innocent as he thinks himself. Blaming Ashley for all his problems is simply not true. First of all, if the parents never sold their own children, Andrew could've got a chance to finish education and leave.
Andrew is also hung up on social appearances, but behind close doors he has shown to be less caring. he's simply less transparent than Ashley on his feelings.
@@johnypeperwinkle6207 Burial is just the good ending for Ashley
@@cyncynshop But unlike anyone else, he has a reason to be this cold towards people, nobody really raised him up into the arms of warmth or safety having to take care of his sister which only brought more problems, and although he has a faint sense of insanity, he does also own a sense of morality, in comparison to his sister or parents, he did what he did because there was no choice for him
Bro I would like to see Ashely leaving Andrew to see how he would react like yeah yeah I know Ashely would rather die before she leaves her Andy but maybe we get a surprise and we can see how Andrew finally accepts she’s not the only fucked up obsessive psycho
And he’s not the poor little lamb he makes himself to be
There's no way Ashley would just leave Andrew. Even if she did, she'd kill him first.
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic bro I know that’s a fact. but u know I was just saying cause I would really like to see sum type of reaction from Andrew
Other than always considering if killing Ashley or not 💀
Ashley is completely useless without Andrew.
Every section you play as her she is completely impulse driven and naive.
She is really good at manipulating but has no clue where she is going.
Thats sorta the big moral dilemma because she is abusing andy constantly but Andy can't leave her cuz she would just die.
@@luminous3558 Andy doesn't really want to be rid of her either.
@@luminous3558 damn now I’m seeing a whole new perspective of this I thought she would be a little fine cause I know she’s a brute but when she’s on action she’s a little smart I mean to manipulate people u need to be kinda smart? or at least quick on catching things to use for ur benefits and either way she knows how to use people she’s just all over Andy cause she grow up with him and it’s the only person that ever gave a shit about her
This dev/writer/whoever is credited for the dialog in these games is SO GOOD at writing couples. Like incredbly good. But twice now they've been siblings or clones/twins and man... why
Unexplored territory is far more interesting and attractive, that's why
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5This man done cracked the code.
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5 oh god
The burial (with questionable path and choice) to me seems the more canon, meanwhile the decay without shoot would be my most liked (with ammo), and the decay with shoot, it's what would happen (on my opinion) in the real world with more human reaction.
I must say this game is very interesting and morbid as hell the more I look into it. It's clear that Andy and Ashley are both absolutely messed up in their special ways, likely due to parental neglect, also his mom said when she was 22 she already had a 7 and 5 year old insinuating she had a child at 15 although it could've been 18 depending on how liberal you want to be with "when I was your age". The way they talk about eating their parents so casually like it's another Tuesday night, is something else too. I think the most cannon ending would be the least moral, making Andy have no empathy towards killing his parents and eating them and having an incestuous relationship with his sister. Why I think this is because he had been around the moral deadness of his sister so much I think it would seep into him a lot until he's pretty much just like her and I think his parents had been neglectful to both of them, after all they sold both of them to quarantine not just Ashley and had both of them legally declared dead so I think the least morally right path would be the one that makes more sense considering who they are. I also think the parental neglect makes him interpret love for siblings as romantic interest in some way and Ashley just goes with it because she thinks it'll keep him around
The mom said that when she was Andrew’s age, she had to take care of a seven, and a five year old. She also says that Andrew is in his twenties. Seven minus twenty is thirteen. Jesus Christ.
I'm pretty sure Andrew is canonically 22, so that makes it fifteen, which is... not much of an improvement.
Andrew is canonically 22, Ashley is 20. So since the mom is talking to Andrew about this she is saying she got Andrew when she is 15. Still bad but more acceptable.
Plus the dad is just a pushover like Andrew before. He is so spineless he didn’t even say no…
Maybe it's because of FNAF, but I find this psychological horror game funny. And the story gets interesting no matter how you swing it or what you choose. Especially the Alabama route, it has the most jaw dropping moments and an interesting look at our main characters motives and backstories. Also if you remove all the crime these two have committed and the incest, I would honestly smash Ashley.
she is manipulative and playfully harsh and has no idea what a border and a sensetive subject is, even if you just want to do a one night stand and ghost her youll just double the red flags and give it to the next person and that is a violation of the brocode
@@alexiosmonary3388*I can fix her intensifies*
Bro is down bad
@@alexiosmonary3388good dicking is all she needs.
I feel that way about Andrew…he is good looking to me and would like his personality if he wasn’t….like no 😭 imma have to write an alternative ending or something 😂
It’s funny so many neurotic teenagers online are conflating the momentary emotion of happiness or even the sight of someone joking and smiling with the benchmark for mental health, and get confusingly upset about it.
wait till twitter (or x) users learn about this game
I meaaaan... this two are joking and smilling in a Burial route while trying to dispose of bodies. 😂This is not exactly a healthy happiness and knowing this two it’s temporary anyway.
What
@@cupcakedoce956 randoms who don’t take showers are mad that the pair seems a bit too happy in the incest route, going on to come to the conclusion that the game portrays that as one of the “sane” and “mentally healthy” paths for the characters in question because they’re not spiraling and at each other’s throats afterwards.
@@micah4539twitter users comprehend unreliable narrators (impossible, they have to take everything at face value)
I am very intrigued by the mole. What is it? Does Ashley have it too? Is it a Andrew thing only? Is the demon trying to take control of Andrew? Is...the demon in love with ashley??? Since it seems rather intrigued by ashley's tar soul
Makes sense
Edit: I think I figured it out. Both the chase and "that" scene will take place after Ashley (in decay) or Andrew (in burial) do something really f-d up in Ep.3.
- In decay route, Andy snaps and decides to kill Ashley for what she's done and there's nothing she can do about it,
- In burial their relationship is not as strained, and she'll use sex as a way to placate Andrew, hence his "I'm easy to distract" line. Or she uses sex to calm his guilty conscience as she puts it.
- Sane burial will probably be something like the previous route, but she'll calm him down in some other way and they'll also be chill
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Rewatching the decay dream, it seems to me it foreshadows Ashley doing something so bad that even Andrew can't forgive her anymore and it pushes him over the edge. Maybe she kills someone (some theorize it'll be his ex), maybe she once again goes "Andy-Andy" on him and he finally snaps this time, but one way or the other it ends with Andrew chasing and killing her. Although it's very likely it can be avoided as with the killer situation
Also, Sane Burial seems to imply Andy is also becoming a Tar Soul, represented by the grey-red soul that speaks in green subtitles like Andrew
Or maybe that the demon takes Andrew's soul and Ashley trespasses into the demons realm (the one the demon told her not to go to) to get his soul back and that his soul is just as "tar" as hers.
@@stronktank5941 yeah, I can see that happening as well
Im gonna be honest with you
On the Burial path, which I took (Lets go Incest) i thought the Demon wanting Andrew to go in and the eye appearing in his hand was because it actually wanted Andrew's soul/Possess him, I never thought that it actually just wanted another Sociopathic murderer
think about it, in the burial route, andrew is just as much a monster as ashley, so it makes complete sense that the demon would consider him on-tier with her in that regard, that and what's the harm in another soul-harvester committed to the cause?
32:40 this is the best ending in my opinion, hope this vision becomes real. If one of them is gone the other's obcession and dependency will eventually be gone so this seems great
I mean, when a psychopath is legitimately crying for a person. You know it hits deep. This is one ending where they realize just how important they are to each other. To be honest. It’s extremely plausible that Ashley or Andrew ends up dying themselves after the deed of slaughtering their sibling. Remember that the description of the game quite literally puts emphasis on toxic codependency.
@@Soons.. I'm not saying that it's likely to happen, I just wish that's an ending. An even better ending would be one in which both stay alive but seperate and get therapy, but everyone knows that that's not going to happen
My guess is that if either one dies the other one will kill themselves in short order afterwards, or do something insanely reckless to get themselves killed. I think that they are both too codependent on each other to live long apart from the other.
Im 99.9 percent sure that if the Ashley shoot ending happened she would eventually go insane and off herself
\and in the Andrew knife ending i think he will either off himself or get togetheter with Julia in chap 3
But honestly i think the canonical ending (?) is most likely gonna be the cursed burial
Borderline personality disorder proves this is not how it is in reality
I actually prefer the andrew in the decay route. And i feel much more happy for him for being more assertive.
Same, it feels realistic that he’s getting fed up and finally putting his foot down a bit
What I find confusing is that in fiction, people want two characters to stay together no matter how toxic and abusive they are to each other.
@@ajakakakakBoth are realistic wdym?
Dude mad respect for all this dedication, the routes are all so clear now 🙏
Considering my name is Andrew, I feel really bad for him and I want him to get past everything, so burial is the ideal endings for me
As someone named Ashley, I also feel bad for Andrew 😂
Recreate the game you two
@@madaraUchiha-gv5dx they should bang😀
@@toesformouth yooo thats to early
@@madaraUchiha-gv5dx not for me…
I kinda wished Andrew wouldve taken the deal his mother gave him, take ashleys gun and get a job
the thing is, in this game everyone is a degree of mentally ill. the mother and father is like the son and daughter. Ashley is a Sociopath, while Andrew is a Dark Empath, he MAY seem normal, but Dark Empaths are merely Sociopaths that understand Empathy and Societal norms to keep that appearance.
so in general, the Mom may just be pulling an Ashley move, and will betray Andrew on the spot after they are free. They are related afterall.
The mom 100% wouldve killed him or had the water company kill him and dispose of him.
@@luminous3558 and I would've 100% loved to see that as an actual alternative ending whether the mother betrayed him or not.
@@luminous3558 Someone else pointed out that Mom had 4 chances. 1. Left alone while they made coffee. 2. Left alone while they made dinner. 3. Left alone with dad during the night. 4. Upstairs with Ashley on the phone she could have explicitly asked for help (and probably gotten shot, but is that worse than what happens?). We know she didn't call for help or escape during the time she was left alone because it's already morning when they call customer service. It takes hours of waiting and then even more time to clean up.
She's not the mastermind of the plot to harvest the organs of entire buildings. She didn't believe Andrew and Ashley would kill them if they cooperated. No one shows up to catch them. This points to Andrew's original assessment being correct: She's the type to stay out of it rather than report them and they could have left in the morning.
Personally, I think she didn't plan to betray them (again). But after getting tied down and threatened in the basement, she'd say anything to get out of there alive and the chances of her betraying them go up. Even if she did follow through on her promise to try to work things out, the people who sent the assassin aren't lenient about loose ends.
I like how in almost every video i find of this game there's always comments saying how hot the characters are, how fucked up it is and alabama.
They're so going to die in part 3. At this point, it's just a matter of how bad they'll die.
Well the first word in the title is “coffin”.
@@baneofbanes shouldn't that be the second word? "the" is a word
In some endings Probably but i doubt the creator is gonna stop the story at part 3 since she is thinking about quitting her job to make the game a full time thing
@@Noname-mi1oo If I'm not mistaken the dev has already stated that it's going to have four chapters.
@@thomr1378 ya, but they are 1, 2, 3A and 3B (for decay and burial)
the Burial route seems like Andrew is becoming more like his sister and Ashley just can't handle it sometimes like my God he destroys her so damn much it makes me laugh sometimes cause of how damn annoying she is
PS: Yeah I changed the Leyley to Ashley cause I did Andrew so like it just felt wrong not to change it
Honestly the decay ending is way more based, Andrew starts growing a spine somewhat. And they both deserve whatever that route takes them down.
29:15 those two souls are the mom and dad. I’m guessing the mom is the black one. And those other two are the 2nd warden, and the cultist who dies at the very beginning after the summoning